Protect the drive motor bearings. When using the blade to stabilize the machine only use enough force to plant the blade. Picking up the front of the machine puts far more load on the drive motor bearings and shafts. They will last much longer. Loading the idler wheels is a much cheaper repair and or replacement than the drive motors. You can't always do this as in certain positions it may not be an option, and you may need to load the drive motors. But to lessen the stress and ware on the drive motors is advisable to lessen the maintenance cost over time. I do this on all the excavators I operate, even the larger machines. Less down time, less cost to operate, more profit. Great video, good comparison. Thank you.
great video. really good real world comparison and it gives a much better idea of some of the differences for those of us looking into getting one. thank you
I think the little machine would have picked up the big log because it's main cylinder is pushing the boom up, not pulling like the big machine. Love your informative videos. You do a great job explaining all the pros and cons.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I may try and mess with the big log again today. The catch is, it’s not my log and I believe it’s going to be brought to a mill to become some nice lumber so I don’t want to mess it up.
I just bought a 1.8 ton Terror with a Kabota diesel. It isn’t as fancy as yours and doesn’t have the 2 speed range, but everything else seems similar. I purchased it from an outfit on eBay located in California. It cost under 11,000 with free delivery to Oregon.
And also your machine is $7000 less expensive than the Kymron. That's a lot of money saved for a very nominal difference. You did very well with the 1.8 ton. If you bought from Kubota it would have cost $29,000 with the tax and you still got the Kubota engine. Smart deal.
Squid, I’m debating between the two. I’m in Northern California and the gas 1 tons runs about $5k.. the 2 ton diesels are running right at $10k.. the common one out here is the DM200.. they claim it’s a Kubota engine, pilot controls and hydraulic thumb.. I am trying to decide if the 4 to 5K higher cost is worth the value??
Little pro tip…. When digging you should put blade behind you. Helps with down force and won’t tip the machine back when you put the teeth into the ground. And cylinder placement is depending on what you’re using it for. Cylinder on outside like diesel means better for digging.. cylinder on inside means lifting is it’s strong suit. Little things like that with knowledge can maybe help someone on the fence make a decision
Oh my word, you hit the nail on the head!! Soooo much. Ether than back pain. Any excavator is better than no excavator. But the bigger ones are so much nicer. Mind you, driving through the woods, I prefer the little one because I don’t have to remove trees to get it though.
@Outdoorsy368 at 17,500, better off to buy a used Deere or Kubota or go for the new Kubota at 0% financing. The auction units with the Kubota D722 can be had for 8k or less depending on auction, I haven't seen a auction unit with a yanmar.
I’m jealous now,I’ve got the hightop diesel with the same cab but my tracks are closer to the small machine I think you could’ve got the log with it closer up I’ve picked up some monster logs and huge rocks
Not sure. A couple months hopefully 🤞 I have been planning on making that one on Christmas Day because Im off work and will be at home. That video is really different for me. It will be my first scripted video, meaning i need a written list to remind me of all the steps, what it really cost me. Price. Shipping, tax, alibaba CC fee, CC 0% fee, driving to forklift place and paying them to unload it, what to do with crates. Etc. I always have an idea and run out and make a video and wing it. That one is financial and needs planning, I have haven’t made the time to sit down and write it and then film it. I will soon.
Honestly; I need to check it. It’s covered in mud at my cabin. I won’t be back there for another week or so. I’ll try and remember to update on the grip tape. I think the Amazon is holding up better than the 3M honestly.
@ Thanks, my mini-ex came with a sort of removable rug/pad for god only knows what reason and i need to put something on it to prevent slipping. I’m disabled and have balance issues so cutting down on a slip/fall risk is important.
Many auction units have those exact digital guages and same layout, AGT MX12R come to mind. Also, the RATO gas engine that most of these come with can be replaced with a Predator 420 from Harbor Freigt for $400. Also, seeing alot of the "Briggs" engines aren't really briggs, rather a knockoff
Yes some do. Not a control panel like this with digital gauges. It’s certainly not the norm. The MX12R doesn’t have gauges on the control panel. Yes, the Predator is a great replacement engine. Thank goodness for HF. Also love my HF Predator Inverter generator. I hear a lot of the B&S engines are fake clones. This one seems to really be a B&S.
@OurLifeInTrees I was referring to to the AGT MX15R, my apologies, the MX12R has the same console but no guages, the MX15R has the same layout as the Kymron. Again, am not knocking the Kymron, just pointing out its literally the same machine you get at auction plus some upgrades Kymron has done, but to me those aren't 4k worth of upgrades, I would buy the auction unit and add all the upgrades myself, but some may not like tinkering around with machinery. You should buy a AGT MX15 and compare it to your gas Kymron, I doubt you see much difference from functionality standpoint and less than half the cost.
If they have the same features, the diesel is better for any machine that is only going to be used occasionally, because diesel fuel doesn't go bad like gasoline does, and it seems like present day gasoline goes bad faster than it did several years ago. For a small machine like this that is more likely to be used by a small ranch or homestead, that only uses it a few times a year, I would always go with the diesel version.
I think you could have gotten that 2nd log with the XH20 if you would have been a little closer. I moved the root ball and about 6-8' of trunk attached with my 42, it would not pick it up when I reached out to get it, I had to grab the roots and pull it up by the machine, grab it and it picked it right up. I boomed all the way in and then I could stick out. I only went a few feet because it would tip my machine over, but I was still able to pick it up and move it where I wanted it to be and dropped it in the burn pile. I didn't know putting the blade down further would give that much stability, gonna have to remember that in the future. Normally I just drop mine till I feel the front end pick up. This should help me when using the brush cutter or the mulcher. Thanks Greg.
Awesome. I need to go back out and try the log again. I left moth excavators in the garage at my cabin and I’m here this weekend. Guess it’s time for test #2. Haha
I have the gas engine one fits great into backyards of tract homes through a normal sized man gate. The gas engine makes less fumes so neighbors don't complain. Had that happen a few times when I was renting a diesel Yanmar why I went with a gas engine also harbor freight sells the gas engine fits them.
En ce qui concerne la 2 tonnes elle est souvent motorisée avec deux principaux moteurs diesel, le Yanmar et le Kubota, lequel est le meilleur, le plus fiable ?
It seems our human nature is constantly measuring things whether subconsciously or, consciously. We do that with comparisons so naturally there will more than likely be a difference. The bottom line is this, can one afford it + does it make the task at hand easier? There used to be a time. If you asked me to dig a trench, I'd simply ask how long, how wide and how deep and, if it wasn't too big, I'd do it by hand. Now that I'm older and my body is beat up. I would cherish even a small machine to improve the quality of life and still maintain some respect and dignity by being self-reliant. You're doing just fine and thanks for the video! Have a very, very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Nice comparison, but i would say that the price is the biggest difference. I mean if the cheaper machine will do the job but maybee not with the same refinement it will be good enough for most home users since your not realy using it all day and not making any money with it.
@@OurLifeInTrees Both of them will take you to your destination though ;) Some will brobably say that its an equaly big step up from your new machine to a bobcat, or a yanmar excavator. Its all about the money as usual...
With most home owners, these will sit 95% of the time and very seldom would you be concerned about digging speed.. so I agree, price would be a big factor..
The little gas excavator has no Proportioning valves, = less control, jerky, on or off,,not smoth operation of controls.. The larger better machines have Proportion valves for smoth operation..something to consider...
bro , if you ever have any kind of giveaways , sign me up!. Love ya, mean it!As always, Like your uploads man. If I ever do get some money I need to get me some Tonkas lol.
You are mistaken where the mini made. IT IS USA made. The KYMRON XH20D Pro Mini Excavator is produced in Muskogee, Oklahoma. KYMRON is an Oklahoma-based company. KYMRON machinery is based in Oklahoma, and over half of the assembly is done in the United States. KYMRON machines are available to customers across the country through dealers and shipping partners. KYMRON machinery is designed to be accessible to customers who might otherwise be unable to afford or obtain the equipment. The machinery is built with a variety of engines, including KUBOTA, Perkins, Cummins, Yanmar, Briggs & Stratton, and Vanguard. KYMRON machinery also uses Parker and Eaton hydraulic drives and pumps
I am very familiar with Kymron. Here is a video of my tour of their dealership. It’s really a cool place ruclips.net/video/t3GA_k70FjY/видео.htmlsi=vZomAqqWtkoOYkur
FYI, in case it wasn't mentioned in the video that larger one is 3x the price of the cheaper one. sometime we have to work within our budget.. You can compare that larger one to say a 5-ton machine and it would lose hands down... So all of these video comparisons are subjective to the size of your wallet...
I think you would be in real trouble if either of them rolled over. Those are not ROPs, no way. I would not mind owning the small one, would be useful around my property.
@OurLifeInTrees I appreciate your video very much. It made me realize there is no mini excavator better than a name brand backhoe! You saved me a bunch of money. Thanks again!
1 ton $7900, 1.8 ton $15,900. Nice machines but I bought mine for $4500 ($4100 plus tax). Mine is a mechanical thumb, no real counterweight but did not kill the budget. As a homeowner with only a 3 acre property it is hard to justify the purchase of a machine of any kind and yes the 1 ton machine is quite dangerous. a 3.5 ton machine would be much more stable but again cost considerations.
Sounds like you got a great deal. I’m just a little homeowner myself with 2 acres plus a 2 acre cabin property. I financed mine through my local credit union. $160/month didn’t sound bad to me. Man I really love this 3500lb machine though. I agree, it’s not for the average homeowner.
Exactly why I went gas engine on my Mini, it's hard working on it with the confined space, working on a diesel in that area would be a nightmare I'd imagine.
Protect the drive motor bearings. When using the blade to stabilize the machine only use enough force to plant the blade. Picking up the front of the machine puts far more load on the drive motor bearings and shafts. They will last much longer. Loading the idler wheels is a much cheaper repair and or replacement than the drive motors. You can't always do this as in certain positions it may not be an option, and you may need to load the drive motors. But to lessen the stress and ware on the drive motors is advisable to lessen the maintenance cost over time. I do this on all the excavators I operate, even the larger machines. Less down time, less cost to operate, more profit. Great video, good comparison. Thank you.
Thanks for the tip! Never thought about that. I appreciate the feedback from you experienced guys.
great video. really good real world comparison and it gives a much better idea of some of the differences for those of us looking into getting one. thank you
I appreciate the feedback and am glad the videos help.
I think the little machine would have picked up the big log because it's main cylinder is pushing the boom up, not pulling like the big machine.
Love your informative videos. You do a great job explaining all the pros and cons.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I may try and mess with the big log again today. The catch is, it’s not my log and I believe it’s going to be brought to a mill to become some nice lumber so I don’t want to mess it up.
I was able to do it. I went back and got it.
ruclips.net/user/shorts8LT2KL6VqqU?si=Ec-c7F3zKh9n6KoU
I just bought a 1.8 ton Terror with a Kabota diesel. It isn’t as fancy as yours and doesn’t have the 2 speed range, but everything else seems similar. I purchased it from an outfit on eBay located in California. It cost under 11,000 with free delivery to Oregon.
And also your machine is $7000 less expensive than the Kymron. That's a lot of money saved for a very nominal difference. You did very well with the 1.8 ton. If you bought from Kubota it would have cost $29,000 with the tax and you still got the Kubota engine. Smart deal.
That’s awesome. Sounds like a great price. I must admit, this two speed is a game changer in my opinion. I hate how slow my 1 ton is.
Gas is a waste of time. We tried one and compared it to a hand digger. The hand digger won
Squid, I’m debating between the two. I’m in Northern California and the gas 1 tons runs about $5k.. the 2 ton diesels are running right at $10k.. the common one out here is the DM200.. they claim it’s a Kubota engine, pilot controls and hydraulic thumb.. I am trying to decide if the 4 to 5K higher cost is worth the value??
@ it’s worth it
Great comparison video! Looking forward to more comparison videos.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
Little pro tip…. When digging you should put blade behind you. Helps with down force and won’t tip the machine back when you put the teeth into the ground. And cylinder placement is depending on what you’re using it for.
Cylinder on outside like diesel means better for digging.. cylinder on inside means lifting is it’s strong suit. Little things like that with knowledge can maybe help someone on the fence make a decision
Good info! Thanks for posting up. I appreciate the feedback.
Great comparison video, Sir! It is obvious that you have fun making them. Take Care, Jimbo.
Thanks. I appreciate the feedback. Yeah, they are fun. lol
Great comparison
Thanks. I appreciate the feedback.
The little one is better than a hernia, the larger one is rougher on the wallet
Oh my word, you hit the nail on the head!! Soooo much. Ether than back pain. Any excavator is better than no excavator. But the bigger ones are so much nicer. Mind you, driving through the woods, I prefer the little one because I don’t have to remove trees to get it though.
@Outdoorsy368 at 17,500, better off to buy a used Deere or Kubota or go for the new Kubota at 0% financing.
The auction units with the Kubota D722 can be had for 8k or less depending on auction, I haven't seen a auction unit with a yanmar.
I’m jealous now,I’ve got the hightop diesel with the same cab but my tracks are closer to the small machine
I think you could’ve got the log with it closer up I’ve picked up some monster logs and huge rocks
lol. Ok. You talked me into it. I need to go back and try to pick that log up. Haha
@@OurLifeInTrees Just be careful tho.
You were right. I did it. Was heavy but the machine still did it. Yeah, I stayed away from it because…. I didn’t want to die!
You were right. I got the log yesterday.
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When will the V1000 arrive? Still waiting on the video you mentioned doing about how to import from Derrete, fees, port etc.
Not sure. A couple months hopefully 🤞
I have been planning on making that one on Christmas Day because Im off work and will be at home. That video is really different for me. It will be my first scripted video, meaning i need a written list to remind me of all the steps, what it really cost me. Price. Shipping, tax, alibaba CC fee, CC 0% fee, driving to forklift place and paying them to unload it, what to do with crates. Etc.
I always have an idea and run out and make a video and wing it. That one is financial and needs planning, I have haven’t made the time to sit down and write it and then film it. I will soon.
I have an acre to clear...something affordable that can do it? It is a thick weeded area.
One of these would definitely help!
How has the Amazon grip tape held up?
Honestly; I need to check it. It’s covered in mud at my cabin. I won’t be back there for another week or so. I’ll try and remember to update on the grip tape. I think the Amazon is holding up better than the 3M honestly.
@ Thanks, my mini-ex came with a sort of removable rug/pad for god only knows what reason and i need to put something on it to prevent slipping. I’m disabled and have balance issues so cutting down on a slip/fall risk is important.
@@inmyimage1081gotcha. Mine came with the same. I am going to do grip tape on my new machine.
Many auction units have those exact digital guages and same layout, AGT MX12R come to mind.
Also, the RATO gas engine that most of these come with can be replaced with a Predator 420 from Harbor Freigt for $400.
Also, seeing alot of the "Briggs" engines aren't really briggs, rather a knockoff
Yes some do. Not a control panel like this with digital gauges. It’s certainly not the norm. The MX12R doesn’t have gauges on the control panel.
Yes, the Predator is a great replacement engine. Thank goodness for HF. Also love my HF Predator Inverter generator.
I hear a lot of the B&S engines are fake clones. This one seems to really be a B&S.
@OurLifeInTrees I was referring to to the AGT MX15R, my apologies, the MX12R has the same console but no guages, the MX15R has the same layout as the Kymron.
Again, am not knocking the Kymron, just pointing out its literally the same machine you get at auction plus some upgrades Kymron has done, but to me those aren't 4k worth of upgrades, I would buy the auction unit and add all the upgrades myself, but some may not like tinkering around with machinery.
You should buy a AGT MX15 and compare it to your gas Kymron, I doubt you see much difference from functionality standpoint and less than half the cost.
@@SCDeerAddictsure enough. I see it on the MX15. Nearly the same! Never seen that one before. Thanks! Good info
If they have the same features, the diesel is better for any machine that is only going to be used occasionally, because diesel fuel doesn't go bad like gasoline does, and it seems like present day gasoline goes bad faster than it did several years ago. For a small machine like this that is more likely to be used by a small ranch or homestead, that only uses it a few times a year, I would always go with the diesel version.
That’s a great point! I agree.
Don’t these have retractable tracks?
Not this model.
I think you could have gotten that 2nd log with the XH20 if you would have been a little closer. I moved the root ball and about 6-8' of trunk attached with my 42, it would not pick it up when I reached out to get it, I had to grab the roots and pull it up by the machine, grab it and it picked it right up. I boomed all the way in and then I could stick out. I only went a few feet because it would tip my machine over, but I was still able to pick it up and move it where I wanted it to be and dropped it in the burn pile. I didn't know putting the blade down further would give that much stability, gonna have to remember that in the future. Normally I just drop mine till I feel the front end pick up. This should help me when using the brush cutter or the mulcher. Thanks Greg.
Awesome. I need to go back out and try the log again. I left moth excavators in the garage at my cabin and I’m here this weekend. Guess it’s time for test #2. Haha
@405musclecars5 you were right! I got it.
ruclips.net/user/shorts8LT2KL6VqqU?si=Ec-c7F3zKh9n6KoU
Agree! Pulls the way in closer to the center of gravity and reduces the leverage increase when The boom is extended.
Nice Vid, I picked up a Miva VA20 2 ton, Kubota 902 diesel 7500.00 plus auction fees
That’s awesome. Great price for a beast of a little machine.
I have the gas engine one fits great into backyards of tract homes through a normal sized man gate. The gas engine makes less fumes so neighbors don't complain. Had that happen a few times when I was renting a diesel Yanmar why I went with a gas engine also harbor freight sells the gas engine fits them.
You are right. It fits just about anywhere. Yes, the diesel does kinda stink, but I like the smell. lol
En ce qui concerne la 2 tonnes elle est souvent motorisée avec deux principaux moteurs diesel, le Yanmar et le Kubota, lequel est le meilleur, le plus fiable ?
They are both very reliable. Not sure which one is better.
It seems our human nature is constantly measuring things whether subconsciously or, consciously. We do that with comparisons so naturally there will more than likely be a difference.
The bottom line is this, can one afford it + does it make the task at hand easier?
There used to be a time. If you asked me to dig a trench, I'd simply ask how long, how wide and how deep and, if it wasn't too big, I'd do it by hand. Now that I'm older and my body is beat up. I would cherish even a small machine to improve the quality of life and still maintain some respect and dignity by being self-reliant.
You're doing just fine and thanks for the video! Have a very, very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Thank you! I agree. I would rather any type of machine to help me dig. So much easier on the body than a shovel!!
How wide are both of your buckets for your DRT450?
5:13 that is called a c-channel frame not a box frame. The other one is plate steel
It’s a c-channel with another piece welded in to box it in. What’s that called? Hollow on the inside and solid on the outside.
Just an fyi...skateboard shops have awesome grip tape
Good call. I need some new grip tape for my son’s skateboard also. lol
Nice comparison, but i would say that the price is the biggest difference. I mean if the cheaper machine will do the job but maybee not with the same refinement it will be good enough for most home users since your not realy using it all day and not making any money with it.
Agreed. Yet this feels like a pickup truck comparison between a 1995 Isuzu Hombre and a 2024 Ram 2500 Cummins. Haha
@@OurLifeInTrees Both of them will take you to your destination though ;) Some will brobably say that its an equaly big step up from your new machine to a bobcat, or a yanmar excavator. Its all about the money as usual...
With most home owners, these will sit 95% of the time and very seldom would you be concerned about digging speed.. so I agree, price would be a big factor..
@@bman6502that’s very true
AWESOMENESS🎉
Thank you.
If it had the closed drive motors maybe It would be worth the 15k. But I know I’ll break those somehow so will have to look for alternatives
I haven’t had issues with either of my machines, but I supposed if I abused it over rocks, it could damage them.
Are you 100% sure the valving is upgraded to be smoother? Looks pretty Jerry to me.
I haven’t tested it myself. I plan to buy or rent one soon to do a side by side comparison with. Then I will know.
Are these excavators made by Derette?
No. These are Kymron machines. Derette doesn’t make mini excavators.
Price
The RH14-3 was $10k two years ago when prices were higher. The CH20D is a whole different animal. It’s $17,500
CK20 which is comparable to your 3500lb machine went for $8500 at auction last week.
Wow. That’s an awesome deal.
The little gas excavator has no Proportioning valves, = less control, jerky, on or off,,not smoth operation of controls..
The larger better machines have Proportion valves for smoth operation..something to consider...
Ahhh good info. I am no expert with these. I do like being able to drop the blade and bucket with it off though. Thanks.
@DonCatherman MIVA VA15P has these type valves is is really smooth compared to others I have used.
bro , if you ever have any kind of giveaways , sign me up!. Love ya, mean it!As always, Like your uploads man. If I ever do get some money I need to get me some Tonkas lol.
Awesome man, thank you for the support. Giveaways…hmmmm. That would be fun!
Little toys are cool! lol
Prices, difference.
$10,800 and $17,500. Lots of differences.
@@OurLifeInTrees Yes, quality and tonnage determine the price of excavation.
You are mistaken where the mini made. IT IS USA made. The KYMRON XH20D Pro Mini Excavator is produced in Muskogee, Oklahoma. KYMRON is an Oklahoma-based company. KYMRON machinery is based in Oklahoma, and over half of the assembly is done in the United States. KYMRON machines are available to customers across the country through dealers and shipping partners.
KYMRON machinery is designed to be accessible to customers who might otherwise be unable to afford or obtain the equipment. The machinery is built with a variety of engines, including KUBOTA, Perkins, Cummins, Yanmar, Briggs & Stratton, and Vanguard. KYMRON machinery also uses Parker and Eaton hydraulic drives and pumps
I am very familiar with Kymron. Here is a video of my tour of their dealership. It’s really a cool place
ruclips.net/video/t3GA_k70FjY/видео.htmlsi=vZomAqqWtkoOYkur
FYI, in case it wasn't mentioned in the video that larger one is 3x the price of the cheaper one. sometime we have to work within our budget.. You can compare that larger one to say a 5-ton machine and it would lose hands down... So all of these video comparisons are subjective to the size of your wallet...
Oh that’s very true. But $10k vs $17k isn’t that far off for some people. I probably would have spent the extra money had I known the difference.
I think you would be in real trouble if either of them rolled over. Those are not ROPs, no way. I would not mind owning the small one, would be useful around my property.
I don’t disagree with you. They are both very handy.
I paid 3800 total
Nice.
I'll take the diesel
Me too! lol
Very confused why your big one couldn't lift the big log my twenty two horsepower mahindra backhoe would lift that log.....
I can’t answer that question for you. 🤷♂️
@OurLifeInTrees I appreciate your video very much. It made me realize there is no mini excavator better than a name brand backhoe! You saved me a bunch of money. Thanks again!
I went back and picked it here. Here is a short video
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1 ton $7900, 1.8 ton $15,900. Nice machines but I bought mine for $4500 ($4100 plus tax). Mine is a mechanical thumb, no real counterweight but did not kill the budget. As a homeowner with only a 3 acre property it is hard to justify the purchase of a machine of any kind and yes the 1 ton machine is quite dangerous. a 3.5 ton machine would be much more stable but again cost considerations.
Sounds like you got a great deal. I’m just a little homeowner myself with 2 acres plus a 2 acre cabin property. I financed mine through my local credit union. $160/month didn’t sound bad to me.
Man I really love this 3500lb machine though. I agree, it’s not for the average homeowner.
Just show what it can and cannot do we know how they work
That’s coming up.
you need a operator
Haha that’s true. Maybe some lessons for myself.
Just stay away from the NUOMAN brand, and all the rest is acceptable
Not familiar with that one. Thanks.
If the gas engine blows up I can run to HF and get a new one same day. Diesel one and parts? forget it.
The predator makes replacement simple. The Yanmar will take Yanmar parts.
Exactly why I went gas engine on my Mini, it's hard working on it with the confined space, working on a diesel in that area would be a nightmare I'd imagine.
@@SCDeerAddictall the panels come off it's pretty accessible if you need it to be.