Destiny 2 Lore - Rasputin was willing to KILL to keep this secret. Centrifuse reveals it for us...
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Season of the Deep includes a clue from the Centrifuse Exotic weapon. Its lore tells us about a secret that Rasputin tried to keep during the collapse. To keep that secret he had to murder the scientist who discovered it, Dr Pell. This secret isn't well defined but little hints point us in a few interesting directions, such as the Veil.
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A Fold Drive. They are literally talking about a Fold Drive. That same principle behind an Einstein Rosenbridge. This is what both of the Pells discovered. They found a way to not only harness and contain Plasma (probably on a fundamentally smaller or larger scale), but also how to USE that same Plasma to Fold space itself.
Probably literally the same thing that the Traveler can do . . . and by extension the Pyramid fleet.
This is not "just" FTL travel this is *THE* FTL travel, the ability to fold both Space and Time to move between areas that would take YEARS to do in barely a *second* . Now why would this be a problem? Because more than likely that same Tech could be used to trace back to the Sol System . . . and then used to open a *door* to the Sol System.
I am more than certain that at the time the Deep Space Probe was launched was right around the time Malahayati made the discovery of the Darkness. That the Probe would have inadvertently lead the pyramid fleet towards Sol at a much sooner time than it was going to arrive. I don't know if the Probe itself was launched, or if it was still in the experimental stages. If it was "Self-Sufficient" that means it would have been able to not only Jump, but also to be able to Jump BACK without needing to immediately refuel. Or that it was able to refuel on the move, meaning that it wouldn't need to return back to the Sol system. I am working under the assumption that this was all still experimental and that the probe was maybe still under construction, so more than likely that same probe is sitting in a warehouse awaiting completion, that or a million piles of scrap. So if that is the case then the actions of Rasputin bought the people of Sol *time* . Time that it desperately needed.
Gotta get this to top comment
Fun fact, you can see folds in space time. They're called fermions and you can see it plainly around the throne world. An area we know went through this process.
The cloudy stuff in the sky that is similar looking to oil on water.
That is not quite accurate and a bit contradictory. My area of expertise is quantum physics and topics involving light speed. Your description of a "Fold drive" is what would be considered a Warp drive. The fictitious description would be that this distorts or warps the fabric of space time "Folding" it to create shorter distances. Which would require exotic matter in reality but for the sake of the lore we can ignore that. The ship isn't going "Faster than light" it is simply making the distance shorter to travel which creates the illusion of breaking the cosmological constant.
I'd be curious to hear more about some of the other quantum physics related thing in Destiny. I can't help be see a large scale quantum cooling and computing with the veil, stasis and the radial mast. I've enjoyed Destiny's areas where science theory is pushed with paracausal abilities. Stasis being able to reach absolute zero, a tangle concious of the universe(can strand be quantum cooled?) And the electro magnetic field descriptions of the veil. Which brings me to the quantum cooling. Irl when we use a magnetic field with quantum cooling the hyper liquid state particles are called fermions if I am right. (Vs Bose-Einstein particles, even number of electrons doesn't need the magnetic field). The veil even seems to be able to create a synthetic conciousness which is theorized to be required for quantum computing.
It’s really telling just what a huge impact Rasputin had on Sol, as the many secrets and mysteries he’d kept under wraps, we’re still unraveling. Even after his bittersweet sacrifice/death.
Yeah if he wasn't around it wouldn't have changed the outcome at all
I thought that rasputin might have been using electromagnetism to trap the traveller. If she found out about his plan, that would have a huge impact and rasputin would certainly kill a colony ship to keep the traveller here.
Man I Miss rasputin. Liked his character and his arc in the season
Interestingly, the lost pacific legendary armour set makes reference to Shanice Pell, showing how baffled she was with the probe’s findings and how she wanted her information to get to the public no matter the cost.
Really? That's neat.
I'll have to look into that
Whispers telling Maya what the veil is called in her own voice, and her then claiming it as our salvation sounds very influenced by the witness.
Oh absolutely...
Iirc Clovis mentions "salvation" at one point too. But I think he kept any mention of whispers to himself to not sound crazy or just to keep all the credit as his own
It isn't The Witness whispering to Maya, if that's what you're trying to imply.
@@ChaosTheory0 so was that not the witness saying it was our salvation at the end of shadowkeep then? as this follows the same lines as that, touching a relic of darkness/ being around something connected to the darkness causing this twice can’t be a coincidence
No he did. That's how he discovered Clarity control. I think Elsie said "a voice told him to do it" referring to unleashing the Vex.
That's what I was thinking
Dr. Pell got turned into freaking macaroni poor guy
Hope we can make him into mac and cheese, and hope nobody will stop me.
I love reading top comments before the video starts, really gets me nice and invested into whoever Dr. Pell is and how the fuck they got turned into macaroni
@@thejaysayber225i agree , let em cook !
@@mrscat432not the puns…
There is so such “hwhat” in this sentence
@Byf, it sounds like the convergence point mentioned would be the point where two points of reality are overlapped, in the same fashion popularized by the movie Event Horizon. Theoretically, it would allow for instantaneous travel, regardless of distance. The "principal scales" refers to an energy input to spatial distance ratio, meaning the more energy you dump into this sort of drive, the farther you can instantly hop. They were talking about FTL travel, but by sidestepping physics as opposed to actually moving the ship. Instead, they move space and time.
Similar to a Einstein-Rosen Bridge?
You know what I always think about whenever Ishtar comes up? Dr. Shim.
In D1, when we enter the facility, the computer greets us as Dr. Shim...i always wondered if either we were Dr.Shim (no, because we are our own character), or if one of the 227 was in the Vex network and helped us from within even back then... before we even knew what we know now!
I think the main point of Centrifuse's lore is that the short battery life is why Sloane's "Battle Suit" is no longer around. There's also her interaction with Drifter in salvage that confirms that she had to tear herself out of it after it ran out of power.
the seasonal armor talks about how sloane almost died and how the power suit was getting torn apart by hive when ahsa saved her
@@popycorn3005 yeah. Sloane lied to us saying It Ran out of juice
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 From what the armor lore says, Xivu's Hive finally captured Sloane and they destroyed the suit while prying it off her, even her Ghost Siochain got caught too... but Ahsa showed up, wrecked Hive shit, and saved them, right?
Or they were just too lazy to give her a new model.
if im remembering correctly, Convergence Point typically refers to Star Clusters and the like in Astronomy, or the point in which two points connect/converge in physics. Byf, if you plan on digging a bit more into this weird discovery that was made, it might be worth looking into The Convergent Point Method, or CPM. It also bears similarities to Moving-Cluster Method, both of which might be worth looking into. I would explain more myself, but im currently at work at the moment of typing this out for you
I feel it has to do with the anomaly on the moon, remember, rasputin dropped a warsat on a guardian for touching it, and its clearly being "contained". Killing a colony ship full of people to kill the person who might have designed that containment and knows whats inside, seems trivial.
I think "convergence point" is referring to wormhole tech. The files being referenced as "drive plans" indicates usage as transportation, and convergence is likely related to gravitational anomalies and converging space. It's like folding a piece of cloth, then sticking a pencil through it. The fabric will "pull" around the tip of the pencil, bringing parts of the fabric and the pattern on it with it, until the point is strong enough to force its way through. Magnetism (and magnetic wormholes) is the starting point for tech like this, but maybe not the endpoint.
If you look at the end of Season of Deep's Week 5's cutscene, you'll see the traveler with the portal over it, and behind it you can see several of D2's typical geometric shapes. However, these shapes are very different from the normal overlapping squares and circles. This one, instead, is made up of curving lines that all converge on a few spots. The most remarkable spot is just outside the boldest and biggest circle. This is maybe a "whatever" kind of thing, except that coupled with a few other details here and there, I think this is implying a destination outside of our universe.
Not only that detail lines up with the cutscene, but David saying that they could use the principle scales for "whatever we want" sounds an AWFUL lot like what the Witness people discovered in the Veil.
The Pell probe definitely *didn't* find the Veil, because the Veil was in the hands of the Pyramid Fleet. It may have found the Fleet, though.
Neomuna already existed by the time the Pell Probe was created??? Savathun killed Nezarec and hid the veil on neptune during the collapse where the Witness kidnapped multiple planets and moons. The Pell Probe was created within the small timespan of the fleet being detected by Rasputin and the veil being moved, thus, it’s last findings could’ve very well been the Veil on Neptune, however, Pell may have thought it was just a pyramid ship that had already ventured way farther than the rest, due to the signal possibly being the same!
@@_elitenightmare4794 That timeline you're suggesting doesn't bear out. Rasputin silenced Pell and wiped her lab in response to what the probe found (see: the lore entries Byf cites), and he did while Titan still had a noteworthy population (ditto), meaning he did so before the Collapse.
Stopped playing this game almost two years ago, still listening to the lore... Thanks for the video
I don't know about the rest of your fan base. But I'm thankful that you make these videos for us. I love these stories and I hope to be absolutely blown away by the ending
It occurs that, regardless of the electromagnetic containment breakthroughs, a deep-space probe with evidence of self-sufficiency would be as good as a dinner bell to the Witness, especially if it caught a whiff of paracausal uplift.
Maybe the drive is an Alcubierre drive? It (theoretically) contracts space in front of a craft and expands behind it. Think negative gravity, a push instead of a pull, and this is one of the theorized ways we could achieve FTL travel
I had gotten really interested in the lore on the weapons from Ghosts from the Deep and, after some looking around, had figured that they lined up with what happened with Kraken Mare. When I think of a deep space probe, I'm assuming that it's going past our solar system and if that was the case, you could infer that the probe may have discovered evidence that the pyramid fleet was on its way. The GotD weapons describe what the terror the citizens of Titan went through as they tried to escape their doom but surprisingly, it wasn't the Witness who put the last nail in their coffin, it was the Warmind. Rasputin shot down any ship trying to escape Titan, ensuring that they would all die. Now why would he do this? The only reasonable explanation I came across was that if humanity was to learn what the Witness was capable of, humanity is more likely to destroy itself, so Rasputin takes out all the survivors so humanity remains unaware of their doom, hides, and hopes that enough will survive the collapse to keep the species going. I like this idea because I don't think you need a deep space probe to go only as far as Neptune at this point in Humanity's advancement when they're spread as far as Europa and Titan, and at this point in time Rasputin should already be aware of the extinction level event that is on the way from the lore we learned from Spire of the Watcher which would have kicked off Twilight Extingent in the first place. Also I don't believe the planets would've experienced the collapse at the same time, Europa wasn't hit all as far as we know, Titan just got unlucky to be found, so Earth would've been the last place hit which means Savathun wouldn't have hidden the veil yet in my eyes.
I am glad Rasputin got "deactivated" if he had not done this, humanity would have had a chance. And just to spoiler something, the vex are the final shape.
@@F1rstp3rson They used to be, they were the end of the flower game, the single strongest entity nothing could beat, the pinnacle of Sword Logic. That's no longer the case, the Gardener made sure of that. The Vex for one were beaten by the Hive, Oryx alone beat them into submission. For two, were beaten by Guardians, and for a third time were outsmarted and now are being used by Asher Mir. The Vex is no longer the Final Shape. If they return to be it, they would need some serious assistance, and a power beyond both Light and Darkness to lay a claim to that title once again. As is, they don't have that and with Asher Mir on the inside, they might not get the chance again
Thr idea of implying that something used to be the final shape kinda proves that they're weren't ever it if you think about. It's supposed to be the last living thing at the end of everything
@@declantighe8854 They were the Final Shape, then the rules changed, and the end result is no longer the end result, what was isn't what is. That's where we are now, the Vex were the strongest before paracausal forces got involved, and now they can't keep up
@User-Ryan135 Strongest at the time doesn't mean that they were the Final Shape. If that were the case then that title would have changed hands many times over, something can only be the final shape when nothing else is left. It might just be me but from everything in the story that certainly seems to be the defining characteristic for something to be the final shape.
If you look at the veil and notice it spinning, as electromagnetic objects do you wipl also notice that it is in a large centrifuge angled at the same pitch as the veil. Probably part of how they got energy from it.
Quick google search says the suffix "-phasic" means changing phase/state, so "Cosmophasic" would be the changing state of space itself. The speed of light is the fastest anything can travel IN SPACE. But if we bend space around us, we could ignore this rule. This would be the only way (short of Paracausal powers) to get Faster Than Light (FTL) travel, by creating a Wormhole (Einstein-Rosen bridge is the scientific term). Not to mention that an Einstein-Rosen bridge is EXACTLY what the game used to describe the portal on the Traveler.
Jisu Calerondo from Neomuna Civil News said as much, that Neomuni scientists claimed the portal the Witness made seemed to be "An Einstein-Rosen bridge, but with Paracausality."
Maybe this is how we follow the Witness into the Traveler!
Unless I'm mistaken Rasputin didn't know of the Veil before the Collapse. Didn't the Veil come to Sol along with the pyramid fleet during the Collapse?
He might have gotten some of the data from Maya before they removed Neomunia from archives maybe some of the dead exos sent stuff to his sub minds
I don't think we know how the veil got on Neptune
@@v.rocky111 All the specific details? No. But we do know that Savathun hid it there. And we can assume it was intentional, since Maya (I think) comments something like "it's almost as if we were meant to find it".
Here's a spoiler warning, but my theory is that the witness brought the veil to the sol system in order to connect it to the traveler, however savathun used an illusion and tricked the witness into thinking it was dead, or otherwise unable to be used for the purpose the witness wanted, so it left, and savathun stole the veil and hid it on neptune so that soteria's escape pod would find it and secure it. I'm not really sure if rasputin would have had the opportunity to see the veil during that time, but if the witness planned on linking it to the traveler it would have to have been nearby
There's a lot about the Doctors of the past recently. Dr. Pell on Titan, First Doctors who studied the Veil, and the creation of Striders
What if whatever the probe found was the same thing drifters crew found. And somehow raputin had observed its affects on people turning on each other for no reason. Thus he came to the conclusion that anyone that comes into contact with whatever's outside of the sol system and the data the probe found was an extreme threat to humanity. Kinda like a cognito hazard having to be contained and just like a rotting limb you wpuld have to amputate, but In this case its the scientist and her research team. And the Serpahs were sent to not only protect them but also keep them Titan.
Great video and very well put on how The Witness origin was delivered. Theres not much storyline left in the season and we still have little knowledge about Asah and her future, or Sivu Arath and her plans. I’m really interested in seeing what’s going to happen here… We do know there is a whole Final Shape campaign which may come with more seasons of slow story too…
Did Cayde know where the veil is? Wasn’t there a thing from him that had a secret message that said “It’s on Nefeles”. I haven’t heard any updates on theories or speculations and it’s driving me nuts.
From what im gathering with this lore, the scientific terms used throughout destiny, and its themes I have a theory..... since the traveler has visited so many places playing cat n mouse with the pyramid ships and the witness, it's sounds like the witness want revenge on the traveler and hunting it like this using the light and dark to create these wormholes to bring the very universe to collapse on itself kind of a "if I can't have you know one can" vibe similar tones we've seen in red war, or jealously vibes we've had in several seasons. As for how the veil and the spore affects us maybe it affects different species differently, in humans and various cousins, exo, and awoken it fills us with fear, intriguing, yet hesitation, with cabal, ex calus hear salvation filled him with joy and excitement it seemed. Themes of other external alien substances on humanity has been documented in destiny such as vex milk. 🤷🏻♂️
Byf I called it please read this.
"...may well have killed thousands..." me out here with my lament easily breaking that nbd.
So in the K1 lore when it talks about taking earth with it could that possibly be related to 2 truths and 2 lie when she said the power to move worlds will soon be ours, maybe the using the vale we can, not best on lore so dont know if any of this has be deciphered yet which proves me wrong
It feels like there's a lot of missing pieces to the puzzle of this season. Perhaps the next reset or the upcoming Exotic Weapon will finally give us actual answers. I don't know anymore. I'm feeling burned out this season and we're about to start week 5. I just KNOW there's something huge we're missing, but I just DON'T see what it is.
the convergence point is a black hole. This is the design of a faster than light travel technology which relies on electromagnetic tech to forcibly condense matter into black hole of tiny size, a black hole the size of a single proton could contain as much matter as a large car or a medium size building. The it has such a weak gravitation force that it can't even pull you in, but its also constantly pulling minuscule amounts of matter in, and constantly emitting massive amount of raw energy in the form of radiation that can be harvested to propel a vehicle at faster than light speeds.
Finally got around to watching this and there’s some fascinating lore stuff here. Great video!
Byf, you're in for a VERY big treat next week...
Rasputin going apeshit for a weapon that looks like it was pulled out of a 1950s fishing trawler gotta be the wildest thing ive seen all month
When the lore is better than the gun
the convergence field is the ascendant plane and Ley lines instant transport across dimension tech. and they probe probably found the veils shielding tech or its signature, but not sure if the timeline matches with the neomuni ppl settlement timeframe fairly vague
Checkof's Gun strikes again!
All I can think of when I hear David being worried about activating the drive? Event Horizon. Oh dear lordy lets not go that route.
This sounds to me like the technology that moved the planets, and if so, I can see why Rasputin wanted it suppressed
I think "willing to kill" is just the normal state of being in the destiny universe. "be careful, he's ready to kill if-" and the guardian is just like "say no more I completely understand where he's coming from"
I have a theory what could drive Rasputin to go to such extremes and why the data Dr. Pell is so dangerous.
Let me explain:
The "self sufficient" probe or rather the tech that makes it self sufficient is what is the problem. A deep space probe cant rely on the sun for power, nor a battery or reactor because eventually the fuel will be exausted. The only way for the probe to be "self sufficient" is if the tech onboard allows the probe to charge up some how. Now think back to the Centrifuse gun, movement charges it up. This is what the tech does on the probe, movement charges the probe up.
Now why is this such a threat? The amount of power that the deep space probe requires would be significant to be fully functional. The fact that movement alone powers it and is self sufficient means Dr. Pell created a technique that outputs more energy than it puts in it, meaning Dr. Pell has created a Perpetual Motion machine. Wild right? In the Centrifuse lore tab it states that the tech was used to stabilize ionic reactors. It later mentions that the turbines are creating more energy than the Arcology consumes (it may also explain why the Arcology still has power today). Imagine what weapons could be made with this kind of tech. From rifles to Warsats, how powerful could they become? Now lets get even more crazy...imagine this tech fused with paracausal power. This is Godlike power here.
We were already experimenting with Paracausal power but, Rasputin probably knew that humanity didn't have enough time to weaponize paracasual power to fight off the Pyramid fleet so what it decided to do was Asset Denial. Destroy every file and every one with first hand knowledge on how to build this tech.
As for the "Drive", the "Drive" I think David is referring to may form a Wormhole. He's right about not being in-system when you activate it, because a Wormhole functions as a Black Hole when falling in. Anything nearby would be dragged in with it (likely destroying it). The fact that he said "The principle scales" means that just about anything can be transported through it, a ship, or even a planet.
Reading this lore from the first collapse is great, but there's a part of me that wants to see it. Either in game or in non-game visual media. Based on what we've read about the first collapse vs what we've seen from the second, the first time around feels like there's a lot more going on, and everything was more dire. This second collapse seems like the black fleet had to take things more cautiously. Sure, several planetary bodies up and vanished, but it hasn't always felt apocalyptic enough so far (the neomuna content actively goes against setting the proper mood).
Compare that to just the Last Days on Kraken Mare lore. That feels more like a genuine invasion. The black fleet uses gravity itself to take Titan off the board all at once, and at the same time, Rasputin is trying to conduct damage control on an interplanetary scale where it can be safely assumed that all of humanity is already dead unless drastic measures are taken. Maybe this is my love of Halo Reach type stuff coming through, but I want more of that feeling. "I know we're losing, I want to know if we've lost." to quote Kat. So far in the post-Arrivals world of destiny 2, I haven't gotten that feeling too much. So far, we've generally managed to hold our own and haven't been pushed back much. Sure, there have been losses, but no catastrophes.
Sounds like David Pell might be talking bout whatever process the Witness uses to steal planets.
It was a warp drive technology, my guess. Shifts spacetime about.
Want to know a fun idea? It could be similar to the Witness's gravity attacks or even Taking of planets. It moves spacetime, perhaps by gravitons, to stretch and squish and allow for ftl travel compared to the rest of the universe, when you only took one step to go from home to, say, Kepler-22b or for a fun, in universe world, Fundament.
Dr David Pell’s “taking things with us” in the solar system sounds like “the power to move planets.“
David Pell could've discovered how to create a Wormhole in that last log... Like the one in front of the Traveller...
Pell probing Neptune send kinda random, when she was a researcher busy researching Titan?
The convergence point sounds more like time travel. There is research about essentially folding t do points in time together then expanding time back to original points. Not sure how it fits in the narrative.
Spinfoil theory here, but what if this all ties back to the Anathematic Arc? Something about 'wouldn't want to accidentally bring anything with you' is giving me vibes of escaping our reality
you can use magnetic fields to block and obfuscate radio and other signals so probably out of self-preservation or could be used at the other end at the receiver to block think like a high-speed Faraday cage. when we use ECM in our current war zones to stop IEDS from going off. so from a tactical point of view if you were in Rasputin's shoes tech could help him by letting him have an influence across the system or to stop him you take a hand full of similar devices (hive) he would be unable to carry out his prime directives in protecting the system and the seraphs were there to get the maker and research so or failing that making sure it doesn't fall into enemy hands cause at that point he was probably still thinking the invading fleet was a normal alien physical invasion, not a space magic one
Instant thumbs up 👍 for the lore master!!! Thanks for the video!!
I've had it up to my briskets with the word paracausal. It used to sound mysterious, back when Bungie hired talented writers for their grimoire cards and dialogue.
It’s meant to be a term for a particular kind of behaviour or attribute, it’s not meant to just “be mysterious”
Maybe the Super suits are the ones Sloane talks about at the end of salvages
Best guess is he had a drive design which is usually a term used for future space engines and it may have been the drives the witness uses to get around. Or, even the drives we use now. Or a third option because we know K1 has a darkness artifact it did note taking something with you if used in the solar system, it may be the actual way the witness took the planets. The ships showed up to each planet and esentially flew off with the planet and David was shown something like this in the past which we have seen in a good few other golden age darkness affected doctors
sounds like he may be describing taking when talking about the new drive bringing things with them from the solar system. maybe the dreams were teaching the ability to take to lead humanity closer to the witnesses ideals.
cosmophasic field (like the field generated by the veil? ) around the object (the traveler?) to generate a convergence point (like I guess is the portal that the witness crossed?)
Personally this is my favorite arc weapon.... Well tied with Trinity
tl:dr, they built an Alcubierre-Froning drive.
I know the rules, I see new Byf video, I watch
But the veil wasn’t on Neptune at this point it was on Nezarecs ship? Then if it was the veil how would Rasputin know what it was since again it would of been with the witnesses fleet
From my understanding this whole story takes place at the beginning of the collapse before savathuns betrayal..
What about the anomaly on cocytus or the space station with an approaching name with a kind of portal that 'something tries' to pass ?
He probably should've killed for a more meta weapon lol
Maybe im getting somthing wrong but didn't Savathuns intervention with good old nezzy put the first collaps to a hold and after this hiding the veil on neptune?
So how should Rasputin know that the veil is this important later on or must be saved?
I think the probe and maybe David Pels drive had something to do with gravity. Like in a convergency of gravity.(singularity)
This coul either lead to maybe the Upended or an Einstein Rosen-Bridge which would be just what we need right now.
The tech Pell is talking about is a slipspace drive, bungie likes to make their games rime so to speak, and if you have played halo 2 you know close range slipspace jumps take things with them, it's a very risky maneuver. This is all set up for the post light and dark saga.
I think the next bit of info we need to know about is where the veil was before Neptune.
It was in Nezarec's ship I believe, they were bringing it to Sol to use it on the Traveler when Savathun tricked the Witness and took the veil to Neptune to hide it
Hello byf! Love me some Rasputin lore!
The more I learn about The Veil, the more worried I am that we let the violent, totalitarian Witness link with it.
Also, these lorebooks are so ripe for tense movies and TV. If Bungie were publicly traded, I would buy stock right now.
Between Quicksiver storm and this Electric bad boy here its about time Bungie starts to give us some really awesome exotic Auto Rifles. Add in the SMG Osteo Striga and its 3 of the best weapons Bungie has ever given us....In my opinion of course.
Hey a video on drifters "talk" with Sloane about beyond the Sol system and what's out there sounds horrorish!!😢 cheers mate great video!!
David Pell is referencing an Alcubierre drive maybe
my theory for what the "principle scales" things is the way the anomaly communicated. the k1 crew mentions it basically operates as a higher dimensional bubble (calabi-you manifold), which is derived from i think string theory in real life. basically what they could do would be using higher dimenion intersections with our dimensions and potential move faster than light like with the alcubierre drive. tho one could argue they could also use it to save infinite amounts of information or communication or maybe even pocket dimensions
This has got to be glimmer and transmat, we know how those work from d1 lore. Glimmer can make anything and transmat lore has always had that teleportation question of, am i just dying and a copy of me is made?
…..oh…. Would this magnetic containment / plasma technology be seen by the witness as a threat like a threat to paracausal powers or technology wise?
If the comments here are correct, than the probe found a way to beat physics into submission and to effectively teleport. After we kill the Witness and finally put an end to the Light and Dark saga, then it's likely we could use the probe's research to be able to explore areas beyond Sol.
He killed to keep the Skrank Gang a secret.
Were the powered diving suits antecedents to Titan armour?
surprised none of the info regarding the meaning behind the term Centrifuse came up during the vid
I don't think the Centrifuse has anything to do with Shanice Pell drawing Rasputin's attention, and more highlights the polymath nature of yet another Golden Age scientist. I think the threat she posed, and she states it in the lore blurb for the Lost Pacific Boots, is the data pertaining to the anomaly she was studying, and her insistence that said data needed to be published. If the anomaly was related to the Veil, Rasputin might have seen it as a threat to the Nefele Stronghold compartment, something so secret he lobotomized himself to hide it.
What? One of the early Cloud Striders deleted the Nefele Stronghold data from Rasputin. Rasputin didn’t delete it himself.
@@brekcut Wasn't aware of that. Still, it does not disprove that Rasputin was using extreme protocols to protect Nefele Stronghold, especially prior to the Cloudstriders and the data deletion.
has anyone mentioned if the Vex have a planet?? I was watching another lore channel and they mentioned it and I was like "whaaaaaaat?!" even though they "worship" the witness it seems more than obvious he didn't create them..
I’m surprised there wasn’t a warmind cult in destiny.
Long live the tyrant, raaahhhhhh 🦅
I think, now i want to say this is a theory,but why did Rasputin silence any one with probably knowledge of the veil, when he knew about the stronghold being near it, with probably thousands of people there and not silence them, i mean if the veil was a high key target, then why leave it in the hand of researcher, scientist, physicists, engineers, doctors, robotic expert’s, does it not seem like he would either not try and contain it and hid it an make it a no mans land with only him with the info, like the old phrase lock jail, cell,l or chest, throw it in the ocean and throw away the key and forget about it, i think he got some info from an unlikely source. A source who has been possibly guiding us to the veil for its own protection and possible defeat of the witness it self, i think savathun has been an allie since before the first collapse, now again i know it sounds crazy , but there are some events that line up for this to work but again i can be crazy.
Weird comment but what if the traveler and witness were creating their own machine to facilitate their wishes on the universe and the traveler made the giant ball machine and stole the witness machine and the veil is his machine the one that gives life is huge due to the sheer power needed to create and give life yet the one that takes is small due to taking life is so easy. The veil is dormant due to the traveler ripping out a necessary component so the witness has broken into the machine to retrieve his stolen veil heart.
Its been a while sense ive seen some Destiny 2 lore but i bought the new dlc and now im ready for the new lore. Sadly i did not play through the Witch Queen dlc so im a little more rusty.
Your point about the nefele stronghold files doesn't hold up. The timing is wrong. Pell's probe was sent out ahead of the pyramid fleet even arriving. The data pell probably had, that Rasputin wanted to suppress, was that there was a fleet approaching sol.
All I want to know is what the hell happened to Praedyth and where he is
That doesn't add up to me. How did deep space probe found the Veil if it was delivered by Nezarec's pyramid during the Collapse? Savathun killed Nezarec, stole the Veil and hid it on Neptune, leaving damaged pyramid on the Moon. That seems to have happened during the Collapse, since we never heard of pyramid presence during Golden Age.
Say, do we know that our warp drive is only near flight speed? While the acronym fits, its also postulated as there are no definition of this abbreviation in lore. NLS is just NLS.
there's a noticeable difference with travel time in-game and what is suggested. It takes less then a minute to get Saturn from Earth which at near lightspeed would take more then an hour. And if we're bring up time dialation , that shouldnt be happening with a warp drive.
Its also.clear that FTL communication exists, otherwise how would we talk to the vanguard while in the outer solarsystem, in realtime.
Wait, I'm confused here. How could have Rasputin known about the Veil BEFORE the Collapse? I thought this whole situation with Savathun and Veil ending on Neptune happened during the Collapse. How could have Rasputin known about it at the very beginning of the Collapse, the Veil wasn't even there yet... right?
this gun reminds me of the head of a loch ness monster
I swear to God I hear this stupid gun in my dreams 💀
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I dismantled that thing after like half an hour with it. Yea its kinda good but having to run to keep up the buff or lose it all to a reload just isn't fun to me.
Yeah. I like this gun
"itz fine" destiny in a nutshell
Still waiting for a Rigby to be revealed.
The magnetic readings just imply darkness. Considering where they are. Ahsa.
This is probavly me just wildly grabbing at straws here but i have the slight workings of a theory.
While you where talking about david towards the end you mentioned that he said the "the priniciple scales" and that got me thinking, what else scales in such a way? (And this is where it gets crazy) it almost sounds like David found an artificial way to "take"
Not in the same way the witness or Oryx takes but purhaps its restricted to matter and doesnt apply to organic beings and states of consciousness.
It would instead be more like how the witness takes planets.
It would make sense that they wouldnt want to activate the drive within the solar system because it might take everything along with them.
And this is just a theory, do with this as you please. I just thought i should share my thoughts to you all.
Enjoy your day/evening/night whatever it may be :)
What if xivu is so desperate, she is tricking us into thinking that Sloane is not fully taken, to summon the hive god of cinning. Perhaps thats where Sav' ghost went off to, to help figure that out
I wonder if theres any relation to the Cabals light suppression tech?
Let's be fair though, Rasputin is probably willing to kill for less
Im just going to throw this out there, the convergence point he talking about is probably to do with worm holes. Just my take on this, feel free to converse and correct me if I am wrong.