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Oh my God no wonder the reboot so bad if volition was willing to lie to Deep Silver about the game being working and finished what do you think they were willing to say to the stock owners and Embrace group about the reboot especially with the idiots they have hired God I'm honestly shocked this is why the reboot is so bad I can't wait to see Mr Saints Godzilla's video next year about his NDA I wonder what volition told them about the reboot saying yes it's going to be classic good I bet the CEO doesn't even know the game looks like he probably has an early draft of the story not even what actually went in the game
Man that story about Volition Heads lying to Deep Silver is just crazy. The fact that the game released so buggy makes sense now honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if the layoffs were partly fueled by the lies...makes me wonder if anything similar happened with the reboot.
I swear one creator basically said that if the reboot didn’t do well the company basically goes bye bye lol I heard they made a profit but who really knows? Not me 🤣
Man I can see why Flippy was as ecstatic about Agents of Mayhem, kind of a shame it went down the way it did, honestly being in a world where Agents of Mayhem turned out successful and got a follow up and that crazy mod stuff instead of that Saint's Row Reboot would've been better than what we got.
I always wondered why official modding tools were rare but it would make sense that developers want to make them but publishers and other issues get in the way.
There is also the fact that modding tools are not that easy to make. Sure, the basic stuff like switching assets can be done pretty easily on pretty much every engine, but if you want to have something like what Bethesda has in terms of modding, you have to design your engine around the idea of modding
Think about it like this. Engines like Unreal are licensed out to developers for obscene amounts of money because the technology behind them have had millions invested in them. To power a modern day title is very complicated task. So to make mod tools to boot and allow your competition to see your innerworkings for FREE is not a good prospect. A company like Bethesda only does it because NO ONE wants to copy the creation engine. NO ONE! It was way more acceptable in the 90s but less money was involved back then.
I can't speak to the Special Investigation missions for agents but I've been told by more than one developer who worked on AoM that they had to fight very hard to get the agent missions into the game at all because of scope cutting that occurred early into the project. If it was indeed Deep Silver who specifically asked for the Investigations, that's baffling. Maybe if Deep Silver wanted Ubisoft "quality", they should have spent the amount of money Ubisoft does on their games.
Well, think from deep silver’s perspective: They are investing in a game that isn’t really living up to competition, so obviously even if myopically, pushed to that quality. Also consider that if what was said is true volition was openly lying to them on the state of the game.
@@cleaver3168 An another angry review of cyberpunk ignoring the even worse games that came out and were loved even if buggy. Frankly I do not see the charm in it.
Giving out such modding tools would be incredibly smart, it'd be an easy way for Volition to find good potential employees or contractors who knows how to work on their stuff, for free.
given rockstar gives dedicated fans the bird and i know Volition deff seeks some good PR but man if they were head butting to mass layoffs AOM would have saved them to if the SR reboot didn't make us think of a modern Sonic 06 for a franchies those two could have prob outlived GTA V and GTA 6 (and bully 2? i still got hope lol)
This is exactly why I wasn't disappointed over AOM or SR's reboot, I knew what to expect beforehand - all those companies are crazy and love to ruin each others time.. I knew we weren't going to get exactly what we wanted with the reboot because seemingly nobody on those teams are on the same page and so most ideas just doesn't work the way they should. That's just the sad truth and I'm glad you elaborated on exposing it. They aren't innocent!
This is interesting because I vaguely remember Saintsgodzilla saying he has an NDA with Volition with Saints Row's reboot and he's hinted that "it wasn't what he was shown" on a private visit when he was reviewing the game. It looks like Deep Silver/Volition are a horribly mis-managed company to me, which is also funny because a lot of similar complaints have been mentioned about Rockstar Games and Treyarch too.
Nah in his reaction to da reveal trailer which you can peep now on a channel called irishcoffee he was like "yup" errytime one of da enemies of da game was makin a show up and deir logos, den he says wait till you see gameplay den you can me a liar if you aint likin it It just screams stupidity from him cause at dis point you cant blame someone like me for hatin your guts, all yall is p***ies, yall aint got no principles, da moment you got close to dese corporations dey done pimped yo a$$
Nah in his reaction to da reveal trailer which you can peep now on a channel called irishcoffee he was like "yup" errytime one of da enemies of da game was makin a show up and deir logos, den he says wait till you see gameplay den you can me a liar if you aint likin it It just screams stupidity from him cause at dis point you cant blame someone like me for hatin your guts, all yall is p***ies, yall aint got no principles, da moment you got close to dese corporations dey done p*mped yo a$$
i dont really trust saintsgodzilla tbh. ever saints row released he's felt so fake, like he's still on their side but has to act angry so he doesn't lose his fans. maybe im overanalysing but that's just what my gut is telling me.
Agents of Mayhem honestly was a game that held so much potential. Had a great premise and art style. It had so much personality. The story coulda been better if given more thought. But the characters alone made every moment of the game special. Just wish Volition/Deep silver would have sponsored the game more... Maybe it woulda actually sold. It's just nobody knew it existed...
IKR? I so wanted this game to do well. Sure I encountered some bugs here and there, but overall it was enjoyable, the characters especially being the highlight.
I legit didn't know it existed until people mentioned it while talking about the 'reboot' (more like a pile of shit with the saints row title stapled on with glitter and cardboard). I'm not sure if it's better or worse that I didn't play it because the quality seems meh based on others.
Everybody knew it existed. It was just another generic shooter. There wasn't anything exciting about it. Everybody at that point was also wanting more saints row and instead saw "agents of mayhem" which just wasn't what anybody wanted.
It’s amazing Deep Silver was (and honestly still is) asking such a small company like Volition for so much with so much fewer; of course it’s not gonna live up to Rockstar when they have triple the size and triple the budget, especially not with the deadlines given. Plus look at Deep Silver’s track record; if you’ve ever seen their video game archives, hardly any got review scores, player and critic alike, higher than the 70’s. But hearing Volition’s head honchos were the ones who hold the most blame for AoM’s demise even though it sounds like, with another year or so it could’ve been something much better? Just goes to show what corporate greed does… it’s such a cutthroat dog eat dog world no matter where anyone looks in the realm of occupations… Thanks for revealing all this Flippy; I imagine you’ve wanted to mention this stuff for quite some time, but due to the DNE you had no choice but to remain quiet until it expired. I would think Godzilla’s the same with his SR’22 agreement.
I'll be honest, as much as Deep Silver is mismanaged from the looks of things... I don't think they're fully to blame. In fact, I feel like I might be slightly too forgiving, I admit, nevertheless, let's face it. Volition outright lied to them. They lied about state game was in and the progress. This likely forced DS to make decisions that they otherwise wouldn't have made had Volition was transparent with them. And now, with precedent being set, who's to say what else they lied about?
In this case both were in the wrong. Volition for lying to Deep Silver about the game being further ahead than it actually was, Deep Silver for asking to add too much in too little time. Less advertising led to less overall sales, the game ended up needing more time to be made but the deadline was already set, and a lot of what was supposed to be in ended up just being cut out altogether. The DLC patches were never going to fix everything, only the stuff that already was there and maybe add a small additional portion of new items. The game bombed, both lost a lot of money, and the only way to keep afloat was through layoffs. It’s horrible but that’s business.
Knowing the truth of what we could have had hurts. It's like seeing your childhood hero making a comeback tour but ODs right before their first public appearance
Its frustrating because AoM is not even that bad, if it had more polish it would have been even better. Even with the stuff it has now I think it was fun and some of the gags involving the Legion members was actually funny, like the pop song slandering Mayhem and the virtual idol being in love with that Legion guy.
It aint bad its just dat da writin wasnt existin and da world is lifeless plus graphics look like ps 3 and weapons sound like toys, oh and enemies is bullet sponges (you see da common issues wit volition titles? Everythin sucks except da voice actin and music) and lack of coop for a game dat people make for da purpose of coop, and ofcourse i remember jason l blair sayin "oh we wanted to give you da feelin dat you controlin an agency by not includin coop" 🤦🏻♂️
AOM is just boring, I'm sure with more content to create a more satisfying gameplay loop would have made it more satisfying to play. It's not like the core mechanics are bad, the characters are fun to play for a little bit. 3 maps to access would have been great and would have spiced it up more than what we got, I just couldn't finish the game because within a few hours everything worth experiencing has been experienced. Funnily enough, the SR reboot suffers from the same problem, aside from all the other problems it has. It's just not satisfying and ultimately becomes boring. It's so fucking sad because I loved all 4 of the original games despite the identity crisis it went through, because the gameplay loop was always good. Even in 4, adding the powers was enough of an addition to create a satisfying gameplay loop different enough to justify recycling the city. AOM and the reboot just don't have the same creativity or satisfying gameplay of the original 4.
Lmao whatever bridges you had with volition have been burned harder than Crimea’s bridge. Between the reboot review and this (NDA or not) there are gonna be people unhappy with you. Fair play to you boss please do more videos like these you have a unique perspective that’s genuinely interesting to us fans.
If Deep Silver calling up Volition to tell them to make the rocks prettier _and send them 50 page reports on how rocks are rendered in other games_ isn't the most unhinged publisher demand in the history of the video game industry, I don't want to know what is.
flippy, you got to come back for a while! I remember for years constantly checking your channel to see if you uploaded and messing around with your website to find hidden pages. We love you flippy!
I'd be really intrigued to hear more about this. I honestly really liked Agents of Mayhem when I played it, and I hate to hear that it could've been better.
Man based on this the workplace there sounds terrible, regardless of how everyone feels about the game I don't want people doing ridiculous work weeks because the suits demand it. Screw Ubisoft's rocks they barely register in my brain and then the next 500 hours of the game is a slog.
A strong modding community with extensive tools is the sort of thing which could sell me on getting the reboot at some point (once it's on Steam at a low price and hopefully patched to a good state). It's such a shame it never worked out for AoM, that would have been so cool
Flippy is exactly like my father he comes and goes from my life making me happier then ever when he is there but when he goes again i ask my self was i not good enough? Nah but in all seriousness its been an awsome year to have some flippy content to Watch come and go as you please my man + Please do more cuckold sim gameplay if you want of course that video was a gem just you goofin off in a shitty video game was gold
Oh, I can only imagine what the video for Saints row 2022 is going to be like when the NDA expires for that project. As a member of the community, I've already seen cut content and unfinished missions, statements from head office and lies on the cover art. The fun of seeing that 90% of the game wasn't done and yet they released it anyways will be enough content for a court case.
Ironically, Vollion and Deep Silver made the EXACT SAME mistake 3D Realms and Gearbox made for DNF 2011. So in a way, AoM and SRR is a modern day DNF... What a day to be a Saints fan...
You know, I used to think the downfall of Volition was sad. Real tragic. But after seeing how they butchered SR with the reboot, I'm glad they're fumbling at every step. Good riddance.
This is so sad man as angry as I am at Volition rn for the Saints Row reboot this is so heartbreaking to hear. But loving the fact ur kinda back flippy keep the uploads coming man
Sadly, I think this is then end of Volition, at least as a solo studio. I see them maybe becoming like Beenox, working on other companies IP's. I can't see Deep Silver giving them anymore trust/freedom to do their own thing again. It's sad but from a business stand point, I think it's the only course if action, apart from shutting them down outright.
Heyo! It has been so long that I forgot you were under NDA on this PoS. Now all that leaves is mrsaintsgodzilla21's NDA to expire by early next year, and the puzzle will finally be completed on what in the ever-loving fuck is going on in Volition's development.
The agent missions where last minute!? I fucking love those mission!! They're were great to know the characters and there struggles it was the only side content I've been playing🤣 it's good to hear more about this game
I played AoM about a year back, and actually really liked it. Rather repetitive, but good. Sounds like it was screwed over by both Voltion and Deep Silver but someone somewhere clearly cared about the game, because you can see those moments of brilliance come through sometimes. I still like logging in and trampling through the sandbox every now and then. Scheherazade is insane in the late game!
You can really tell that some of the people making this game did care. It seems like they just weren’t given enough resources, time, and liberties to make this game as great as it could have been.
The heavy usage of Zolika's trainer in this video is beautiful and actually makes the reboot look enjoyable at times. Shame AOM was a boring mess, I don't think modding tools would've helped it too much considering nobody was looking forward to buying it anyways. Nor would've any other of content gathered any attention. The Gat thing adds onto the further oddities of how much they wanted to push the game being Saints Row-but-totally-not-Saints Row marketing the game was pushing.
What the actual f happened to the studio who made titles like Red Faction Guerilla and Saints Row 1 and 2?! Its almost like a bunch of losers stole the company name and logo.
I often wonder how much that happens where studio heads lie. Presumably it's done to keep the project rolling. At any moment, the publisher could downsize staff or outright cancel years' worth of work. It's a miracle any games get made at all, really.
holy shit, parent companies show that time and time again they are at fault for a games flop, yet the developers always take the blame. Deep Silver ruined the whole game, and now the whole studio lol
Ive actually been playing AOM recently and really enjoying it, its lighthearted fun and of course it has a lot of problems, but the gameplay overall is quite enjoyable
im at 1:30 and my eyes are still on those models of stilwater and steelport being opened in blender im guessing those can't just be found? (I woke up at a bad time) edit: aom 2 sounded crazy as hell, but that's what people said about sr4
odds are that whatever patch they'd put up, it would just break the pc port even more, especially considering that none of the people who worked on SR2 are there anymore
These companies need to realise there's no such thing as a "Modern Audience" good products are timeless, they don't age There's everyone why everyone loves older games, movies, TV shows and music (well music kinda evolves but a good story is timeless and gets adapted into movies and shows for many years) A game has to live up to modern standards but Modern Audiences? Idk what that means SR2 was the perfect Saints Row all they had to do is make like a sequel to that with the same feel, new graphics, same cast, new story I don't know why they think they need to reinvent the wheel every time unless if it's a yearly release They need to stop being woke, why do they think pleasing some Game Journalists and not actual fans is the way when you can't please the woke mob
Yeah it seemed like you could travel the world in AOM but it seemed cut last minute I love AOM and it had the most potential I've ever seen volition make
At this point I wish the OG devs and like-minded other devs could form their own studio and find a more lineament publisher. I think it's safe to say that publishers want their games "safe" i.e. nothing to do with current events. A game cant be "hood" anymore because it "gives ethnic communities a bad rap" so to speak. So even if we could get another game as intuitive as classic Saints Row, it probably wouldn't even be gangster themed period.
Send me some cutscenes dawg! I need some inspiration someone said this should’ve been a animated show instead of a game I know this sounds painful as a sr fan but yet I am so curious
The big problem was that they had no idea how to make the CORE GAMEPLAY work. Mods, extra cities, more characters, it's all worthless when the gameplay is shit.
I'm not sure how you can trust Volition as a studio anymore. Don't support any of their games unless it's a full remake of a good game that's also not a lazy remake
Amazing to hear that Deep Silver gives studios crap for not being on par graphically since I've played plenty of Deep Silver games that are around mid AA level in terms of graphics or other technical aspects. Usually get lower npc counts in Saints Row The Third and 4, games like Chivalry 2 and Kingdom Come Deliverance have texture pop-ups... Generally, they usually need more for the polish needed on that kind of presentation, unless it has an art style like Agents of Mayhem or a 1 for 1 remaster with the focus on the graphics like Saints Row The Third.
If Epic Games were to release the Dev tools with AoM, then I will buy the game 5 times. I have ALWAYS loved seeing mod tools be released for games, so we could add cool stuff to games
It’s October! I hope you guys are ready for some SPOOKtacular stories from the game industry (*thunder crash & lighting strike*). Oooh! Leave the lights on… things might get.. spoOoOoky.. Mwahahaha!
I am scared
Dude I'm just hype to have you back uploading.
You're back!
Did you know about the Saints Row reboot being made before it was announced?
Oh my God no wonder the reboot so bad if volition was willing to lie to Deep Silver about the game being working and finished what do you think they were willing to say to the stock owners and Embrace group about the reboot especially with the idiots they have hired God I'm honestly shocked this is why the reboot is so bad I can't wait to see Mr Saints Godzilla's video next year about his NDA I wonder what volition told them about the reboot saying yes it's going to be classic good I bet the CEO doesn't even know the game looks like he probably has an early draft of the story not even what actually went in the game
Man that story about Volition Heads lying to Deep Silver is just crazy. The fact that the game released so buggy makes sense now honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if the layoffs were partly fueled by the lies...makes me wonder if anything similar happened with the reboot.
Chances are unless there are insider leaks. NDA's will prevent us hearing for a long time.
Also forget bout da community manager
At this point I'm surprised volition hasn't imploded in on itself
I swear one creator basically said that if the reboot didn’t do well the company basically goes bye bye lol I heard they made a profit but who really knows? Not me 🤣
@@SlickSkuddy do you think dey sold 2 million copies?
Man I can see why Flippy was as ecstatic about Agents of Mayhem, kind of a shame it went down the way it did, honestly being in a world where Agents of Mayhem turned out successful and got a follow up and that crazy mod stuff instead of that Saint's Row Reboot would've been better than what we got.
Tell me how i get to that world. Because currently we are all stuck in Gamer Hell Limbo... the entire industry is the very defintion of cancer!
I always wondered why official modding tools were rare but it would make sense that developers want to make them but publishers and other issues get in the way.
Yeah I could see the suits in management thinking mod tools would cut into dlc sales.
Official modding tools are very hard to put together even for developers. There's a billion hurdles before publishers, oddly enough.
There is also the fact that modding tools are not that easy to make. Sure, the basic stuff like switching assets can be done pretty easily on pretty much every engine, but if you want to have something like what Bethesda has in terms of modding, you have to design your engine around the idea of modding
Think about it like this. Engines like Unreal are licensed out to developers for obscene amounts of money because the technology behind them have had millions invested in them. To power a modern day title is very complicated task. So to make mod tools to boot and allow your competition to see your innerworkings for FREE is not a good prospect. A company like Bethesda only does it because NO ONE wants to copy the creation engine. NO ONE! It was way more acceptable in the 90s but less money was involved back then.
@@jerm70 Very well said.
I can't speak to the Special Investigation missions for agents but I've been told by more than one developer who worked on AoM that they had to fight very hard to get the agent missions into the game at all because of scope cutting that occurred early into the project. If it was indeed Deep Silver who specifically asked for the Investigations, that's baffling. Maybe if Deep Silver wanted Ubisoft "quality", they should have spent the amount of money Ubisoft does on their games.
DX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, IS A FLIPPY FAN?
Your video on Agents of Mayhem is the best one ever made for the game. Can't wait for the Cyberpunk video
@@cleaver3168 Thank you! Writing the script now!
Well, think from deep silver’s perspective:
They are investing in a game that isn’t really living up to competition, so obviously even if myopically, pushed to that quality.
Also consider that if what was said is true volition was openly lying to them on the state of the game.
@@cleaver3168
An another angry review of cyberpunk ignoring the even worse games that came out and were loved even if buggy. Frankly I do not see the charm in it.
Flippy posting more than once this year? We are truly blessed to still have him around!
Saint row is so bad it fuel him.
Indeed
I'm scared tbh
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I thought the reboot was gonna be the end and I’m glad it’s actually the beginning
Giving out such modding tools would be incredibly smart, it'd be an easy way for Volition to find good potential employees or contractors who knows how to work on their stuff, for free.
given rockstar gives dedicated fans the bird and i know Volition deff seeks some good PR but man if they were head butting to mass layoffs AOM would have saved them to if the SR reboot didn't make us think of a modern Sonic 06 for a franchies those two could have prob outlived GTA V and GTA 6 (and bully 2? i still got hope lol)
This is exactly why I wasn't disappointed over AOM or SR's reboot, I knew what to expect beforehand - all those companies are crazy and love to ruin each others time.. I knew we weren't going to get exactly what we wanted with the reboot because seemingly nobody on those teams are on the same page and so most ideas just doesn't work the way they should. That's just the sad truth and I'm glad you elaborated on exposing it. They aren't innocent!
Aye I mean I saw what was coming with the reboot and I'm still disappointed lmfao
This is interesting because I vaguely remember Saintsgodzilla saying he has an NDA with Volition with Saints Row's reboot and he's hinted that "it wasn't what he was shown" on a private visit when he was reviewing the game.
It looks like Deep Silver/Volition are a horribly mis-managed company to me, which is also funny because a lot of similar complaints have been mentioned about Rockstar Games and Treyarch too.
You again what do you want
Nah in his reaction to da reveal trailer which you can peep now on a channel called irishcoffee he was like "yup" errytime one of da enemies of da game was makin a show up and deir logos, den he says wait till you see gameplay den you can me a liar if you aint likin it
It just screams stupidity from him cause at dis point you cant blame someone like me for hatin your guts, all yall is p***ies, yall aint got no principles, da moment you got close to dese corporations dey done pimped yo a$$
Nah in his reaction to da reveal trailer which you can peep now on a channel called irishcoffee he was like "yup" errytime one of da enemies of da game was makin a show up and deir logos, den he says wait till you see gameplay den you can me a liar if you aint likin it
It just screams stupidity from him cause at dis point you cant blame someone like me for hatin your guts, all yall is p***ies, yall aint got no principles, da moment you got close to dese corporations dey done p*mped yo a$$
i dont really trust saintsgodzilla tbh. ever saints row released he's felt so fake, like he's still on their side but has to act angry so he doesn't lose his fans. maybe im overanalysing but that's just what my gut is telling me.
@@Dododeath I'm glad somebody gets it I agree
It turns out the real Agents of Mayhem are quite literally the friends we made along the way
They were going to give us a "Here, just do it yourself " DLC?
Agents of Mayhem honestly was a game that held so much potential. Had a great premise and art style. It had so much personality. The story coulda been better if given more thought. But the characters alone made every moment of the game special.
Just wish Volition/Deep silver would have sponsored the game more... Maybe it woulda actually sold. It's just nobody knew it existed...
IKR? I so wanted this game to do well. Sure I encountered some bugs here and there, but overall it was enjoyable, the characters especially being the highlight.
I legit didn't know it existed until people mentioned it while talking about the 'reboot' (more like a pile of shit with the saints row title stapled on with glitter and cardboard). I'm not sure if it's better or worse that I didn't play it because the quality seems meh based on others.
Lol bruh
Everybody knew it existed. It was just another generic shooter.
There wasn't anything exciting about it. Everybody at that point was also wanting more saints row and instead saw "agents of mayhem" which just wasn't what anybody wanted.
@@RandomHeroGames 💯 doe
It’s amazing Deep Silver was (and honestly still is) asking such a small company like Volition for so much with so much fewer; of course it’s not gonna live up to Rockstar when they have triple the size and triple the budget, especially not with the deadlines given. Plus look at Deep Silver’s track record; if you’ve ever seen their video game archives, hardly any got review scores, player and critic alike, higher than the 70’s. But hearing Volition’s head honchos were the ones who hold the most blame for AoM’s demise even though it sounds like, with another year or so it could’ve been something much better? Just goes to show what corporate greed does… it’s such a cutthroat dog eat dog world no matter where anyone looks in the realm of occupations…
Thanks for revealing all this Flippy; I imagine you’ve wanted to mention this stuff for quite some time, but due to the DNE you had no choice but to remain quiet until it expired. I would think Godzilla’s the same with his SR’22 agreement.
I'll be honest, as much as Deep Silver is mismanaged from the looks of things... I don't think they're fully to blame. In fact, I feel like I might be slightly too forgiving, I admit, nevertheless, let's face it.
Volition outright lied to them. They lied about state game was in and the progress. This likely forced DS to make decisions that they otherwise wouldn't have made had Volition was transparent with them. And now, with precedent being set, who's to say what else they lied about?
I think Volition is probably more to blame often than Deep Silver. There are so many poor decisions made by them
In this case both were in the wrong. Volition for lying to Deep Silver about the game being further ahead than it actually was, Deep Silver for asking to add too much in too little time. Less advertising led to less overall sales, the game ended up needing more time to be made but the deadline was already set, and a lot of what was supposed to be in ended up just being cut out altogether. The DLC patches were never going to fix everything, only the stuff that already was there and maybe add a small additional portion of new items. The game bombed, both lost a lot of money, and the only way to keep afloat was through layoffs. It’s horrible but that’s business.
@CW not true at all numbers wise
Ok but weren't volition the first ones to compare themselves to rockstar? With that "would you rather" trailer for example?
Knowing the truth of what we could have had hurts. It's like seeing your childhood hero making a comeback tour but ODs right before their first public appearance
Its frustrating because AoM is not even that bad, if it had more polish it would have been even better. Even with the stuff it has now I think it was fun and some of the gags involving the Legion members was actually funny, like the pop song slandering Mayhem and the virtual idol being in love with that Legion guy.
If it weren't for AoM's terrible/repetitive mission design I would have actually completed the game.
It aint bad its just dat da writin wasnt existin and da world is lifeless plus graphics look like ps 3 and weapons sound like toys, oh and enemies is bullet sponges (you see da common issues wit volition titles? Everythin sucks except da voice actin and music) and lack of coop for a game dat people make for da purpose of coop, and ofcourse i remember jason l blair sayin "oh we wanted to give you da feelin dat you controlin an agency by not includin coop" 🤦🏻♂️
AOM is just boring, I'm sure with more content to create a more satisfying gameplay loop would have made it more satisfying to play. It's not like the core mechanics are bad, the characters are fun to play for a little bit. 3 maps to access would have been great and would have spiced it up more than what we got, I just couldn't finish the game because within a few hours everything worth experiencing has been experienced. Funnily enough, the SR reboot suffers from the same problem, aside from all the other problems it has. It's just not satisfying and ultimately becomes boring. It's so fucking sad because I loved all 4 of the original games despite the identity crisis it went through, because the gameplay loop was always good. Even in 4, adding the powers was enough of an addition to create a satisfying gameplay loop different enough to justify recycling the city. AOM and the reboot just don't have the same creativity or satisfying gameplay of the original 4.
Lmao whatever bridges you had with volition have been burned harder than Crimea’s bridge. Between the reboot review and this (NDA or not) there are gonna be people unhappy with you.
Fair play to you boss please do more videos like these you have a unique perspective that’s genuinely interesting to us fans.
To be fair, the reboot pretty much proved that there's no point in keeping the bridges around with Volition.
@@Floppsilon Facts
@@Floppsilon agreed.
@@InternetMouse I-Is that the famous comment section commenter Internet Mouse?!?!😱
Huges Memorial bridge you mean
If Deep Silver calling up Volition to tell them to make the rocks prettier _and send them 50 page reports on how rocks are rendered in other games_ isn't the most unhinged publisher demand in the history of the video game industry, I don't want to know what is.
That's what happens when developers lie to publishers.
@@DR3ADER1Because then the publishers think it’s going better than it really is?
flippy, you got to come back for a while! I remember for years constantly checking your channel to see if you uploaded and messing around with your website to find hidden pages. We love you flippy!
I'll never forgive Volition for not making a sequel to The Punisher game😞
I'd be really intrigued to hear more about this. I honestly really liked Agents of Mayhem when I played it, and I hate to hear that it could've been better.
Man this is so sad. Something that could have been super cool basically killed a studio over night.
Man based on this the workplace there sounds terrible, regardless of how everyone feels about the game I don't want people doing ridiculous work weeks because the suits demand it. Screw Ubisoft's rocks they barely register in my brain and then the next 500 hours of the game is a slog.
This is crazy I definitely wanna hear more of these stores
A strong modding community with extensive tools is the sort of thing which could sell me on getting the reboot at some point (once it's on Steam at a low price and hopefully patched to a good state). It's such a shame it never worked out for AoM, that would have been so cool
Honestly a mod pack like what you outlined would actually fix the reboot, at least we could add shit we want
Flippy really just flashbanged us with some of the most insane lore imaginable out of nowhere
Flippy is exactly like my father he comes and goes from my life making me happier then ever when he is there but when he goes again i ask my self was i not good enough? Nah but in all seriousness its been an awsome year to have some flippy content to Watch come and go as you please my man + Please do more cuckold sim gameplay if you want of course that video was a gem just you goofin off in a shitty video game was gold
Best thing to come out of the reboot was the return of the great flippster
Oh, I can only imagine what the video for Saints row 2022 is going to be like when the NDA expires for that project. As a member of the community, I've already seen cut content and unfinished missions, statements from head office and lies on the cover art. The fun of seeing that 90% of the game wasn't done and yet they released it anyways will be enough content for a court case.
Ironically, Vollion and Deep Silver made the EXACT SAME mistake 3D Realms and Gearbox made for DNF 2011.
So in a way, AoM and SRR is a modern day DNF...
What a day to be a Saints fan...
You know, I used to think the downfall of Volition was sad. Real tragic.
But after seeing how they butchered SR with the reboot, I'm glad they're fumbling at every step.
Good riddance.
My good man, tis not a tragedy, but a comedy.
This is so sad man as angry as I am at Volition rn for the Saints Row reboot this is so heartbreaking to hear. But loving the fact ur kinda back flippy keep the uploads coming man
The downfall of these companies and their games is just baffling, honestly heartbreaking considering the potential of the saints row titles
Sadly, I think this is then end of Volition, at least as a solo studio. I see them maybe becoming like Beenox, working on other companies IP's.
I can't see Deep Silver giving them anymore trust/freedom to do their own thing again. It's sad but from a business stand point, I think it's the only course if action, apart from shutting them down outright.
Have I ever told you the tragedy of Darth volition the wise?
I wanna give all the dev's who busted their asses hugs :(
Coming 2027: The SHOCKING truth behind Saints Row (2022)
Heyo! It has been so long that I forgot you were under NDA on this PoS. Now all that leaves is mrsaintsgodzilla21's NDA to expire by early next year, and the puzzle will finally be completed on what in the ever-loving fuck is going on in Volition's development.
Lmao the shittiness of that charging handle on the rifle. They didn't even try.
The agent missions where last minute!? I fucking love those mission!! They're were great to know the characters and there struggles it was the only side content I've been playing🤣 it's good to hear more about this game
I played AoM about a year back, and actually really liked it. Rather repetitive, but good. Sounds like it was screwed over by both Voltion and Deep Silver but someone somewhere clearly cared about the game, because you can see those moments of brilliance come through sometimes. I still like logging in and trampling through the sandbox every now and then. Scheherazade is insane in the late game!
You can really tell that some of the people making this game did care. It seems like they just weren’t given enough resources, time, and liberties to make this game as great as it could have been.
What are your opinions on Volition being sold to Gearbox Entertaiment?
When Sony is more of a fan of the OG saints row since they wanted Gat in the game shows just how little volition cares about their IP
Damn. That really sucks. I wanna be in the timeline where aom bangs. Cool video fliperdippy❤️
Both Volition and Deep Silver...
Can burn in development hell.
Idec about saints row, volition or deep silver anymore. I just want Flippy vids at this point idc what they’re about
Hey Flippy, loved your old glitches list and the review about the new Saints Row. And I've always liked your profile pic.
Thank you Flippy. We appreciate all you’re content and hope you are doing well ❤
Lmao! If they'd actually publicly announced that Stillwater would be a dlc/map modders could customize, then Agents of Mayhem would still be around!
The heavy usage of Zolika's trainer in this video is beautiful and actually makes the reboot look enjoyable at times. Shame AOM was a boring mess, I don't think modding tools would've helped it too much considering nobody was looking forward to buying it anyways. Nor would've any other of content gathered any attention. The Gat thing adds onto the further oddities of how much they wanted to push the game being Saints Row-but-totally-not-Saints Row marketing the game was pushing.
What the actual f happened to the studio who made titles like Red Faction Guerilla and Saints Row 1 and 2?! Its almost like a bunch of losers stole the company name and logo.
Most of them were gone by the time SR3 was in development.
Volition is literally that one kid who lies about his homework to do whatever the hell they please.
Yuck fou volition!!!!!
Deep Silver And Volition both screwed up a complete rival to Grand Theft Auto, if they got their shit together.
Deep silver has been one of the greatest villans of modern gaming to a point
Really?
Larian studio is the real villian not them
I often wonder how much that happens where studio heads lie. Presumably it's done to keep the project rolling. At any moment, the publisher could downsize staff or outright cancel years' worth of work. It's a miracle any games get made at all, really.
This is great to look into, keep these informations coming Flippy.
Makes me wonder, what happened with the development of the new saints row
Is there any more concept art of the Dubai map aside from that singular image on artstation?
I guess you could say that, behind the scenes, there was nothing but...
(puts on glasses)
...MAYHEM.
holy shit, parent companies show that time and time again they are at fault for a games flop, yet the developers always take the blame. Deep Silver ruined the whole game, and now the whole studio lol
I dont even play saints row I just wanna hear you
baby
Now this makes me wonder what *really* happened on Saints Row 2022, is it another he says she says or everybody completely loose their minds
Nothing like another dose of the stories from the video game industry and the internal issues between developers and the publishers.
floppy ily thank u. also the dramatization collapsed my chest
This really puts things into perspective...
Ive actually been playing AOM recently and really enjoying it, its lighthearted fun and of course it has a lot of problems, but the gameplay overall is quite enjoyable
im at 1:30 and my eyes are still on those models of stilwater and steelport being opened in blender
im guessing those can't just be found? (I woke up at a bad time)
edit: aom 2 sounded crazy as hell, but that's what people said about sr4
Time to hate Volition for this nightmare.
That first person mod looks cool flippy
There goes my final memories of my grandpa…
Have to find room for Agents of Mayhem development knowledge somewhere.
Last night I decided to watch ur first agents of mayhem vid and all of a sudden there’s another 💀
WOW MAN I just asked you about this some days ago
Finally I can sleep peacefully
Thank you Fl1ppy
That all sounds truly unpleasant. Who knew Volition was digging their own grave as far back as that?
I'm just happy that your back, Flippy.
Only just found Flippy, did he used to work for volition?
no he was in contact with them since he's popular in the saints row community I believe
It's really sad when some guy in a suit belittles you for not making a cool car. What a travesty.
Whoa whoa whoa I care SO much about what was cut from this game!
was a very interesting universe and concept just dropped the ball
I still wonder if they even have someone working on that SR2 patch or if they lied about it
Whatchu think
odds are that whatever patch they'd put up, it would just break the pc port even more, especially considering that none of the people who worked on SR2 are there anymore
@@domovoi2861 💯 doe
Oh if only we got this level of official mod support for SR2...
Man RIP Volition. Can't believe how "making games for a modern audience" can tank a beloved series.
These companies need to realise there's no such thing as a "Modern Audience" good products are timeless, they don't age
There's everyone why everyone loves older games, movies, TV shows and music (well music kinda evolves but a good story is timeless and gets adapted into movies and shows for many years)
A game has to live up to modern standards but Modern Audiences? Idk what that means
SR2 was the perfect Saints Row all they had to do is make like a sequel to that with the same feel, new graphics, same cast, new story
I don't know why they think they need to reinvent the wheel every time unless if it's a yearly release
They need to stop being woke, why do they think pleasing some Game Journalists and not actual fans is the way when you can't please the woke mob
Yeah it seemed like you could travel the world in AOM but it seemed cut last minute I love AOM and it had the most potential I've ever seen volition make
NDA IS OFF, TIME TO BRING OUT THE ARTILLERY
At this point I wish the OG devs and like-minded other devs could form their own studio and find a more lineament publisher. I think it's safe to say that publishers want their games "safe" i.e. nothing to do with current events. A game cant be "hood" anymore because it "gives ethnic communities a bad rap" so to speak. So even if we could get another game as intuitive as classic Saints Row, it probably wouldn't even be gangster themed period.
I am somewhat surprised about Gat. I thought he was planned and this was his wish at the end of Gat out of Hell.
Flippy constantly posting is a site to see . When I was so young
Love you flippy
Can’t wait to see aom two 🙏
ANOTHER FL1PPY VID HOLY SHIT
Send me some cutscenes dawg! I need some inspiration
someone said this should’ve been a animated show instead of a game
I know this sounds painful as a sr fan but yet I am so curious
I played this game in 2019 and honestly enjoyed the gameplay a lot. A shame to think it could've been so much more
Why did Volition want that Gat evil clone thing so bad? They wanted that to be the plot of SR3 and SR4 now AOM2?
This ie the first time I've seen one of your videos in the first 24 hours it came out
The big problem was that they had no idea how to make the CORE GAMEPLAY work.
Mods, extra cities, more characters, it's all worthless when the gameplay is shit.
So both Volition management AND Deep Silver suck? No wonder all the good people left.
flippy come flip me pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
so now you got me thinking that mabye the same stuff that happened with AOM happened to the reboot. hence all the issues.
Flippy giving us an early Christmas
I'm not sure how you can trust Volition as a studio anymore. Don't support any of their games unless it's a full remake of a good game that's also not a lazy remake
Amazing to hear that Deep Silver gives studios crap for not being on par graphically since I've played plenty of Deep Silver games that are around mid AA level in terms of graphics or other technical aspects. Usually get lower npc counts in Saints Row The Third and 4, games like Chivalry 2 and Kingdom Come Deliverance have texture pop-ups... Generally, they usually need more for the polish needed on that kind of presentation, unless it has an art style like Agents of Mayhem or a 1 for 1 remaster with the focus on the graphics like Saints Row The Third.
If Epic Games were to release the Dev tools with AoM, then I will buy the game 5 times. I have ALWAYS loved seeing mod tools be released for games, so we could add cool stuff to games