Ever since I dropped the lordship salvation doctrine, my walk with Christ is amazing! I don't spend all my time worried that I've offended him on accident, Thank you for your ministry
Always excellent teachings from this ministry! Important for people to realize no matter what, the faith, power, and love of Jesus Christ keep a saved believer saved. 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. Galatians 2:16 KJV Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Romans 3:22 KJV Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Galatians 3:22 KJV But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. If a saved Christian is not living right, the Bible talks about losing rewards (crowns), a good testimony, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost, will suffer in the flesh, be chastised by GOD our Father but a saved Christian will never lose their salvation. Whether a person is saved or unsaved a person will reap what they sow. A saved Christian will reap what they sow too (Galatians 6:7-9 KJV) and have consequences as a result of their sin but will never lose their salvation, the Holy Spirit dwells within a believer. Look at First Corinthians Chapter 3 which is talking about the Judgement Seat of Christ for believers who will receive a reward according to their good works or they will suffer loss because of bad works (or lack thereof of good works) but them themselves will be saved yet so as by fire. 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 KJV Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. After one is saved, we should not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 4:30 KJV). Be a good example of a saved born again Christian, letting your light shine brightly in the world (Matt 5:16 KJV) pointing people towards our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ. If one put all their faith and trust in the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4 KJV, The Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ at any point in their lives without relying on any works of their own, they are saved and cannot lose their salvation according to the Bible. Salvation is not a temporary position, it's an eternal position, everlasting, it lasts forever. Grace is not an excuse to sin, but our works or how many times we don't sin or how many times we obey the commands does not save us, otherwise, we could boast and we can never boast about our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV). It's all about what Jesus Christ did for us, his finished work to declare his righteousness not our own, his free gift of eternal life and the forgiveness of sins to everyone which is accepted by faith alone in the Gospel, in the blood of Jesus Christ. A saved person would be extremely foolish to live a very sinful lifestyle though and can expect chastisement and consequences, possible loss of rewards, or early physical death but never loss of salvation.
@@BibleLine No problem happy to help! You guys are doing a great job and people are taking notice of that on social media (twitter, youtube). Keep up the excellent sound biblical doctrine!
Thanks man! This is a really good reminder to be soberminded and serious about heresies, false teachers, and rightly dividing and understanding God's Word in context. The person who said that God broke the law to redeem us, or something like that, made one HUGE heretical statement. 1 John 3 says sin is transgression of God's law. Law-breakers are sinners. If you say Jesus broke God's law what you are saying is that Jesus sinned! That is one blasphemous statement to make. If Jesus sinned He cannot be the spotless sacrificial Lamb for our sins. If He is not that we are all in our sins. But thank God Jesus is sinless and enough, our righteousness, eternal life and finally glorification. Have a wonderful week family in Christ :)
Christian walk Knowing new identity Believe on it Act based on that Knowing character of God Believe on it Act on it Knowing God's promise Believe on it Act on it Is it right pastor? Our new identity We are accepted 1) Child of God 2) Friend of Jesus 3) We are adopted We are secured 1) We are free from condemnation 2) We are declared righteous 3) We are redeemed We are significant 1) We are light 2) we are Salt 3) we are saint God's character 1) God's love is not based on our behaviour rather based on giver 2) God is faithful even though we are unfaithful 3) God is Good and gives Good Promise of God 1) I never leave you forsaken you 2) I will fulfill your need based on God's rich 3) I will give grace and peace when we walk in the spirit and I Decipline you when you walk in the Flesh and worldly Am I going correct way pastor? This is What my church pastor emphasis for spiritual walk
That’s a very good and simple way to put it. Yes, salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ for the free gift. He died for our sin, and we just have to believe in Him once for eternal life. Service/Walk is not for salvation. If we walk disobediently, then He chastens us as His children. If we walk obediently, he rewards us and he blesses us! - Trent
Thanks, Pastor...this could be a more in-depth teaching. This short message will help me. I met a Christian(loosely termed) who doesn't believe Jesus is God. He is not saved as he claims as it is impossible.
I do get it if the so called "christian" has just come to the faith and is learning more about Jesus, but Jesus being God is 100% essential matter of our faith - and He is God. Those who believe Jesus is not Yahveh are heretical of the highest order. John 1, 8 and 17 alone prove it. Word became flesh, and the Word is God. So God became a human being. John 8, Jesus told the pharisees He existed before Abraham. Hebrews 1 says Jesus is not an angel, so Jesus is God. John 17 Jesus prayed how God the Father would glorify Jesus with the glory He HAD before the world was. Isaiah says God does not share His glory with anyone. So Jesus is God. But if he claims to be a christian and also states Jesus is not God and the person has been "in the faith" for many years, then he is either lost and in his sins oe then mislead by a billion miles in vain philisophy and in all kinds of heresies and needs to be avoided
Nothingnewunderthesun, I appreciate your carefulness and explanation, but… I’m afraid you are in error regarding the trinity. John 10:30 and Philippians 2 make it clear that Jesus is God in the fullest. That’s the puzzling part of the trinity. You are a triune being (maybe you haven’t considered this) created in His image. One thing I do agree with is assuming the salvation of another. You only know someone is saved by what they tell you they have believed. Nevertheless, understanding Jesus is God is important to understanding the gospel. Of course the individual does not have to know all the how’s and why’s, but it can’t be some rando human Jesus down the street (no offense). I think you get me. The trinity is very crucial, but the unsaved man does not need a vast knowledge regarding the matter. He needs to know that Jesus (God in the flesh) died for his sin. He was buried and rose again. He also ought to understand that he doesn’t have to earn or keep his salvation by works. The payment for his sin was made, and all he has to do is believe that Jesus Christ did it for him. He that believes is saved forever! We did a video on this about “the saving facts.” - Trent
Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God. 1 John 5 (despite men falsely accusing verse 7-8) makes it clear that these 3 are one. The Jews argued against Jesus in John 10 continuing from verse 30). They took up stones in order to kill him! Why? Because “for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” Jesus very clear understood the role of his Sonship to the Father, but he also understood he is God. God is the eternal Father and Jesus is the eternal Son. These are one, and the Holy Spirit is God as well. He is even called “Christ’s Spirit.” I recognize the distinction in the relationship between the three, but the scripture makes claim that they are one also. Why did Jesus not think it as a thing to be grasped making himself equal with God in Philippians 2?? You realize both these things can be true at the same time: 3 Persons and yet 1 God. I have a body, soul and spirit. I’m a father, a son and a brother. These fall short in comparison to the Godly aspect and power, but it isn’t unreasonable. Final note: I do not care one bit what old teachers may have thought. I disagree with much of the Catholic and Protestant (mainly Calvinist) and denominational works of old. The word of God is where I put my trust similar to the eloquent words as stated in 2 Peter 1. - Trent
@@BibleLine Morning Trent, I apologize for opening a can of worms. I know I can be a blunt instrument at times(military thinking). My thought is if a person cannot get the basics of the Gospel correct. It raises questions for me. This year especially I have been there has been a lot of Christian's different doctrines. lordship salvation, calvins, work salvation, etc. I try to remember what Ray Standford says..."always bring it back to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The scriptures I love when talking about Jesus are Isaiah 61:1, Matthew 1:23 & Exodus 3:8-"I AM come down". Thank you again for the teachings on Bibleline.
there is so many conflicting doctrines out there and you add 2000 years of this. i am so afraid that i believe the wrong things and i just beg God every night that i do not believe the wrong things. i believe he died for my sins and he rose again on the third day. i struggle with eternal security yet my catholic friends say i am in the wrong church and they are the original church and Jesus won't take me unless i am under his original flag. this terrifies me because he backs this up with the assembly of the very book i am relying on only and they have the church history and all these traditions... now i am worrying around the clock that i can never really know who is telling the truth besides God's word and books are being added and taken away over centuries and it only gets more confusing for me. I'm at the point where all i know is that i can only trust Jesus and i hope he knows that i am 2000 years past his resurrection and there's countless things that have muddied the waters. I hope he never says "i never knew you" because i am blowing up his messaging machine on his heavenly desk with worried prayers every night. i have not lived a obedient life until now... i accepted Christ as a child and the world really wore me over and i fell into drinking. i stopped drinking and got back in church but the guilt is eating me alive every day. I second guess my salvation and have panic attacks.
Hi, I have a very interesting topic for you to check out. It is that Hell actually doesn't last forever and that people that are sent to hell do in fact one day permanently die and cease to exist kind of like we were unconscious before we were born. I'm not sure where I stand on this because obviously this is contrary to everything I've ever heard about hell but honestly to me this makes sense. This is something that is an agree to disagree topic in my opinion kind of like whether or not the rapture comes before or after the tribulation so this isn't a topic to get mad at another brother or sister in Christ about. Also the man who made these articles is Noah Zielke and he is firm on Free Grace doctrine and has great resources on it. He actually has a big list of debunking nearly every single verse that "supposedly" supports Lord Ship salvation in the New Testament so even if you still do not agree with him on the topic of Hell being an eternal punishment I think you will find to like most everything else he says because from what I've read from him and watched from y'all, you guys have the exact same view on everything when it comes to salvation and the gospel. I'd suggest reading the first link then reading the second link. Here is the link to the article about debunking Eternal Torment in Hell: faithalone.net/topical-articles/articles/shared/eternal-torment-in-hell-debunked.html and Here is the link to the article about the Biblical Argument for Annihiliation faithalone.net/topical-articles/articles/annihilation/the-biblical-argument-for-annihilation.html It is a decently long read for both of these so I understand if you don't want to read it but just thought i'd show you this interesting topic that has changed my mind. Thanks and keep making these awesome videos and sermons I watch/listen to them everyday!
Hello, I (Trent) read the two articles above, and I find a few things to be very interesting right off the bat. 1) I appreciate his use of the term "believe" when he references how a person is saved. 2) He rejects Calvinism: great! 3) He uses a lot of emotional appeal like: "... unless part of the "blessing" of Heaven is to turn us all into callous, cruel, sadists - somehow unmoved despite seeing a 14 year-old lost person burned for a few trillion years at a time. Otherwise, the eternal existence of suffering and agony will cause sorrow for any non-lobotomized person in Heaven, which the Lord told us will be done away with." and "No flawed human being on a flawed earth can justifiably be punished for something that they did forever, and our attempts to justify such a notion are our attempts to justify the idea that God can be nonsensically cruel with something that had no say in whether they were created in such a situation." Emotional appeal is okay, but this seems to be the root of his points. He cannot imagine the thought of a kid suffering for eternity in flames. I get it. I do not look at it from a believing standpoint and just think it is dandy or okay. It's absolutely horrifying that it should happen to anyone. This is part of my personal motivation to reach people with the gospel. 4) He uses certain out of context scriptures to prove other out of context scriptures. For example: Revelation 21:4-5 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Therefore he concludes that this is also the answer to all of the death and hell verses. In reality the context of Revelation 21 is specifically pertaining to the new heaven and new earth having no death and hell. Death and hell in the context of the new heaven and earth will be impossible. 5) He interprets scripture very allegorical and uses figures of speech where they may not necessarily be accurate. I do believe that scripture should be taken literally unless otherwise suggested (and he probably agrees), but most scripture (including Revelation) should be taken literally. Of course we know the red dragon is depicting Satan, but we should take it literally when Revelation really says a quarter of the earth's population will die. This is an issue because we can totally flip his argument toward the other side. Is eternal life actually eternal, or is it a figure of speech? Is it an allegory? Does it mean I will just have a great life, a life here on earth with no end, a life in heaven with no end, etc... How do I know that life will be perfect? We could give allegorical answers to all of these. That is dangerous. 6) The very first scripture he attacks is the main scripture I will present to you for consideration: Luke 16. It is important to note the context. He just finished a parable regarding the unjust steward. He then references "the law and the prophets," John, and He mentions a law regarding adultery. He is talking back to the Pharisees who "derided him," clearly knowing their hearts. He then provides the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The mention before the story of the law and the prophets is significant because he even references Moses and Abraham! This is a literal event with literal details during the time of the law and prophets! Abraham's Bosom is where the believers went, and Torments is where the unbelieving went. He was telling this to the Pharisees (I believe) in order to reach them! The Pharisees rejected God and were on their way to hell. The entire point of the story is that they would believe (just as the rich man wanted his family to believe...). Notice the graphic detail: He can hear, see, taste, touch and smell. He is literally tormented in a literal flame. The context does not mention eternal because other scriptures do point to the Great White Throne Judgment then the final "lake of fire." Parables usually have points, and the point mentioned by Mr. Zielke does not add up. The Gentiles have no context in this story at all. Even if you claim it to be a parable, the entire context is Jewish. The point would have to tie into the literal agony of the rich man, and the non agony of Lazarus. Jesus usually states plainly the point of parables at the beginning or end of the Parable, but the chapter just ends with ..."If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Jesus wanted the Pharisees to heed to the words of Moses and Abraham and believe the gospel. If Noah is as clear on the gospel as you say he is, praise God! No hard feelings against him. If destruction is the alternative of heaven, then our calling is most urgent still: preach the gospel! Points to note: - Study the Bible literally (if possible) and in context (all the time - don't John 3:16 every verse) - Not all of Jesus' stories are parables - Be careful not to allegorize portions of scripture that are not clearly intended that way Thanks, Trent
@@BibleLine Wow thank you so much for this reply and taking the time to read the articles and give this detailed reply, it shows that you really do care so I appreciate it. For me I was kind of at the same stance that I came to with calvinism on how there’s no way God could send someone to hell without giving them a choice. So I came to the conclusion of there’s no way God could send someone to hell for an eternity. But I think you’re right that even if it can be confusing, we should take the Bible literally as much as possible(obviously with keeping context in mind). I’m thankful that I don’t have to worry about what hell will be like for my life’s sake and I think i’ve came to the conclusion that whether hell is eternal or not, it’s a horrible place and should encourage us all to spread the gospel to people. Do you perhaps have any videos or sources to help me gain some more knowledge on how to know when something is to be taken literal or allegorically. I guess the answer would be to always read in context, so maybe some sources to better understand context behind verses. All of your points did make sense so again thank you🙏
Yeah sure thing! I appreciate hearing a differing perspective on the matter. I’ll attempt to dig up some stuff at a later time. Nothing comes to mind at this moment. Pastor Jesse may have something. In the meantime, I would look up the idea of biblical hermeneutics. A study into this may lead you to a better understanding of why we interpret literally over allegorically most of the time. - Trent
What are the consequences of a believer ignorantly supporting ministries pastors evangelists that covertly have added works such as repentance from sins & enduring unto the end & water baptism lordship salvation confession of Jesus before men Calvinism etc to the gospel? I personally feel like instead of being led like a sheep following a shepherd I am being driven like cattle in my personal life while my body has been enduring pain while getting older and feeling weighed down. Could this have been a consequence of reaping from having fallen into the promise of supporting ministries like that described above? Could I be reaping a curse? If so how might I break the curse?
Please Help me I Believe Jesus Is The Son of God and God The Son of The Holy Trinity I Believe Jesus Shed His Blood and Died in my place to Pay for All my Sins He was Buried Then 3 Days Later Jesus Arose From The Dead!!! But I am struggling with some Sins that I honestly don’t know how to quit I hate my Sins But I genuinely don’t know how to stop them Am I still Saved because of faith in Jesus or am I Not Saved because of my Sins? Thank you for All your Help and Time God Bless you
You are still saved because Christ died for your sins; all of them. There is no sin that can send you to hell. God may very well chasten you for your sin, but the consequence for your sin was dealt on the cross. The moment you believed in Him; you received eternal life. Eternal life is not something you are waiting on. You have it now. John 6:47 - Trent
Ever since I dropped the lordship salvation doctrine, my walk with Christ is amazing! I don't spend all my time worried that I've offended him on accident, Thank you for your ministry
amen
Not sure how I missed this one, and so glad it popped up. So well explained. ❤
So appreciate your ministry.clears up alot of misinterpretation of bible verses.
Always excellent teachings from this ministry! Important for people to realize no matter what, the faith, power, and love of Jesus Christ keep a saved believer saved.
2 Timothy 2:13 KJV
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Galatians 2:16 KJV
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 3:22 KJV
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Galatians 3:22 KJV
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
If a saved Christian is not living right, the Bible talks about losing rewards (crowns), a good testimony, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost, will suffer in the flesh, be chastised by GOD our Father but a saved Christian will never lose their salvation.
Whether a person is saved or unsaved a person will reap what they sow. A saved Christian will reap what they sow too (Galatians 6:7-9 KJV) and have consequences as a result of their sin but will never lose their salvation, the Holy Spirit dwells within a believer.
Look at First Corinthians Chapter 3 which is talking about the Judgement Seat of Christ for believers who will receive a reward according to their good works or they will suffer loss because of bad works (or lack thereof of good works) but them themselves will be saved yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:8-15 KJV
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
After one is saved, we should not grieve the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 4:30 KJV). Be a good example of a saved born again Christian, letting your light shine brightly in the world (Matt 5:16 KJV) pointing people towards our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ.
If one put all their faith and trust in the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4 KJV, The Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ at any point in their lives without relying on any works of their own, they are saved and cannot lose their salvation according to the Bible. Salvation is not a temporary position, it's an eternal position, everlasting, it lasts forever.
Grace is not an excuse to sin, but our works or how many times we don't sin or how many times we obey the commands does not save us, otherwise, we could boast and we can never boast about our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV). It's all about what Jesus Christ did for us, his finished work to declare his righteousness not our own, his free gift of eternal life and the forgiveness of sins to everyone which is accepted by faith alone in the Gospel, in the blood of Jesus Christ.
A saved person would be extremely foolish to live a very sinful lifestyle though and can expect chastisement and consequences, possible loss of rewards, or early physical death but never loss of salvation.
That’s right!! Thanks for the scriptures and the good words of wholesome doctrine.
- Trent
@@BibleLine No problem happy to help! You guys are doing a great job and people are taking notice of that on social media (twitter, youtube). Keep up the excellent sound biblical doctrine!
Thanks man! This is a really good reminder to be soberminded and serious about heresies, false teachers, and rightly dividing and understanding God's Word in context.
The person who said that God broke the law to redeem us, or something like that, made one HUGE heretical statement. 1 John 3 says sin is transgression of God's law. Law-breakers are sinners. If you say Jesus broke God's law what you are saying is that Jesus sinned! That is one blasphemous statement to make. If Jesus sinned He cannot be the spotless sacrificial Lamb for our sins. If He is not that we are all in our sins. But thank God Jesus is sinless and enough, our righteousness, eternal life and finally glorification.
Have a wonderful week family in Christ :)
That’s right!! Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for defending the truth.
- Trent
Amen!
Christian walk
Knowing new identity
Believe on it
Act based on that
Knowing character of God
Believe on it
Act on it
Knowing God's promise
Believe on it
Act on it
Is it right pastor?
Our new identity
We are accepted
1) Child of God
2) Friend of Jesus
3) We are adopted
We are secured
1) We are free from condemnation
2) We are declared righteous
3) We are redeemed
We are significant
1) We are light
2) we are Salt
3) we are saint
God's character
1) God's love is not based on our behaviour rather based on giver
2) God is faithful even though we are unfaithful
3) God is Good and gives Good
Promise of God
1) I never leave you forsaken you
2) I will fulfill your need based on God's rich
3) I will give grace and peace when we walk in the spirit and I Decipline you when you walk in the Flesh and worldly
Am I going correct way pastor?
This is What my church pastor emphasis for spiritual walk
That’s a very good and simple way to put it.
Yes, salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ for the free gift. He died for our sin, and we just have to believe in Him once for eternal life.
Service/Walk is not for salvation. If we walk disobediently, then He chastens us as His children. If we walk obediently, he rewards us and he blesses us!
- Trent
Thanks, Pastor...this could be a more in-depth teaching. This short message will help me. I met a Christian(loosely termed) who doesn't believe Jesus is God. He is not saved as he claims as it is impossible.
I do get it if the so called "christian" has just come to the faith and is learning more about Jesus, but Jesus being God is 100% essential matter of our faith - and He is God. Those who believe Jesus is not Yahveh are heretical of the highest order. John 1, 8 and 17 alone prove it. Word became flesh, and the Word is God. So God became a human being. John 8, Jesus told the pharisees He existed before Abraham. Hebrews 1 says Jesus is not an angel, so Jesus is God. John 17 Jesus prayed how God the Father would glorify Jesus with the glory He HAD before the world was. Isaiah says God does not share His glory with anyone. So Jesus is God.
But if he claims to be a christian and also states Jesus is not God and the person has been "in the faith" for many years, then he is either lost and in his sins oe then mislead by a billion miles in vain philisophy and in all kinds of heresies and needs to be avoided
What church is this doctrine from?
Nothingnewunderthesun,
I appreciate your carefulness and explanation, but…
I’m afraid you are in error regarding the trinity. John 10:30 and Philippians 2 make it clear that Jesus is God in the fullest. That’s the puzzling part of the trinity. You are a triune being (maybe you haven’t considered this) created in His image.
One thing I do agree with is assuming the salvation of another. You only know someone is saved by what they tell you they have believed. Nevertheless, understanding Jesus is God is important to understanding the gospel. Of course the individual does not have to know all the how’s and why’s, but it can’t be some rando human Jesus down the street (no offense). I think you get me.
The trinity is very crucial, but the unsaved man does not need a vast knowledge regarding the matter.
He needs to know that Jesus (God in the flesh) died for his sin. He was buried and rose again. He also ought to understand that he doesn’t have to earn or keep his salvation by works. The payment for his sin was made, and all he has to do is believe that Jesus Christ did it for him. He that believes is saved forever!
We did a video on this about “the saving facts.”
- Trent
Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God. 1 John 5 (despite men falsely accusing verse 7-8) makes it clear that these 3 are one. The Jews argued against Jesus in John 10 continuing from verse 30). They took up stones in order to kill him! Why?
Because “for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
Jesus very clear understood the role of his Sonship to the Father, but he also understood he is God. God is the eternal Father and Jesus is the eternal Son. These are one, and the Holy Spirit is God as well. He is even called “Christ’s Spirit.”
I recognize the distinction in the relationship between the three, but the scripture makes claim that they are one also.
Why did Jesus not think it as a thing to be grasped making himself equal with God in Philippians 2??
You realize both these things can be true at the same time: 3 Persons and yet 1 God. I have a body, soul and spirit. I’m a father, a son and a brother. These fall short in comparison to the Godly aspect and power, but it isn’t unreasonable.
Final note: I do not care one bit what old teachers may have thought. I disagree with much of the Catholic and Protestant (mainly Calvinist) and denominational works of old. The word of God is where I put my trust similar to the eloquent words as stated in 2 Peter 1.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Morning Trent, I apologize for opening a can of worms. I know I can be a blunt instrument at times(military thinking). My thought is if a person cannot get the basics of the Gospel correct. It raises questions for me. This year especially I have been there has been a lot of Christian's different doctrines. lordship salvation, calvins, work salvation, etc. I try to remember what Ray Standford says..."always bring it back to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The scriptures I love when talking about Jesus are Isaiah 61:1, Matthew 1:23 & Exodus 3:8-"I AM come down". Thank you again for the teachings on Bibleline.
there is so many conflicting doctrines out there and you add 2000 years of this. i am so afraid that i believe the wrong things and i just beg God every night that i do not believe the wrong things. i believe he died for my sins and he rose again on the third day. i struggle with eternal security yet my catholic friends say i am in the wrong church and they are the original church and Jesus won't take me unless i am under his original flag. this terrifies me because he backs this up with the assembly of the very book i am relying on only and they have the church history and all these traditions... now i am worrying around the clock that i can never really know who is telling the truth besides God's word and books are being added and taken away over centuries and it only gets more confusing for me.
I'm at the point where all i know is that i can only trust Jesus and i hope he knows that i am 2000 years past his resurrection and there's countless things that have muddied the waters. I hope he never says "i never knew you" because i am blowing up his messaging machine on his heavenly desk with worried prayers every night. i have not lived a obedient life until now... i accepted Christ as a child and the world really wore me over and i fell into drinking. i stopped drinking and got back in church but the guilt is eating me alive every day. I second guess my salvation and have panic attacks.
easy tell -- touting $2k designer sweaters and pricy furniture from the pulpit -- trying to convince themselves they are not heretics? God knows
Hi, I have a very interesting topic for you to check out. It is that Hell actually doesn't last forever and that people that are sent to hell do in fact one day permanently die and cease to exist kind of like we were unconscious before we were born. I'm not sure where I stand on this because obviously this is contrary to everything I've ever heard about hell but honestly to me this makes sense. This is something that is an agree to disagree topic in my opinion kind of like whether or not the rapture comes before or after the tribulation so this isn't a topic to get mad at another brother or sister in Christ about. Also the man who made these articles is Noah Zielke and he is firm on Free Grace doctrine and has great resources on it. He actually has a big list of debunking nearly every single verse that "supposedly" supports Lord Ship salvation in the New Testament so even if you still do not agree with him on the topic of Hell being an eternal punishment I think you will find to like most everything else he says because from what I've read from him and watched from y'all, you guys have the exact same view on everything when it comes to salvation and the gospel.
I'd suggest reading the first link then reading the second link.
Here is the link to the article about debunking Eternal Torment in Hell: faithalone.net/topical-articles/articles/shared/eternal-torment-in-hell-debunked.html
and
Here is the link to the article about the Biblical Argument for Annihiliation faithalone.net/topical-articles/articles/annihilation/the-biblical-argument-for-annihilation.html
It is a decently long read for both of these so I understand if you don't want to read it but just thought i'd show you this interesting topic that has changed my mind.
Thanks and keep making these awesome videos and sermons I watch/listen to them everyday!
Thank you! We’ll check them out and get back to you.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Alright thanks!
Hello,
I (Trent) read the two articles above, and I find a few things to be very interesting right off the bat.
1) I appreciate his use of the term "believe" when he references how a person is saved.
2) He rejects Calvinism: great!
3) He uses a lot of emotional appeal like:
"... unless part of the "blessing" of Heaven is to turn us all into callous, cruel, sadists - somehow unmoved despite seeing a 14 year-old lost person burned for a few trillion years at a time. Otherwise, the eternal existence of suffering and agony will cause sorrow for any non-lobotomized person in Heaven, which the Lord told us will be done away with."
and
"No flawed human being on a flawed earth can justifiably be punished for something that they did forever, and our attempts to justify such a notion are our attempts to justify the idea that God can be nonsensically cruel with something that had no say in whether they were created in such a situation."
Emotional appeal is okay, but this seems to be the root of his points. He cannot imagine the thought of a kid suffering for eternity in flames. I get it. I do not look at it from a believing standpoint and just think it is dandy or okay. It's absolutely horrifying that it should happen to anyone. This is part of my personal motivation to reach people with the gospel.
4) He uses certain out of context scriptures to prove other out of context scriptures. For example:
Revelation 21:4-5
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Therefore he concludes that this is also the answer to all of the death and hell verses. In reality the context of Revelation 21 is specifically pertaining to the new heaven and new earth having no death and hell. Death and hell in the context of the new heaven and earth will be impossible.
5) He interprets scripture very allegorical and uses figures of speech where they may not necessarily be accurate. I do believe that scripture should be taken literally unless otherwise suggested (and he probably agrees), but most scripture (including Revelation) should be taken literally. Of course we know the red dragon is depicting Satan, but we should take it literally when Revelation really says a quarter of the earth's population will die.
This is an issue because we can totally flip his argument toward the other side. Is eternal life actually eternal, or is it a figure of speech? Is it an allegory? Does it mean I will just have a great life, a life here on earth with no end, a life in heaven with no end, etc... How do I know that life will be perfect? We could give allegorical answers to all of these. That is dangerous.
6) The very first scripture he attacks is the main scripture I will present to you for consideration: Luke 16.
It is important to note the context. He just finished a parable regarding the unjust steward. He then references "the law and the prophets," John, and He mentions a law regarding adultery. He is talking back to the Pharisees who "derided him," clearly knowing their hearts. He then provides the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
The mention before the story of the law and the prophets is significant because he even references Moses and Abraham! This is a literal event with literal details during the time of the law and prophets! Abraham's Bosom is where the believers went, and Torments is where the unbelieving went. He was telling this to the Pharisees (I believe) in order to reach them! The Pharisees rejected God and were on their way to hell. The entire point of the story is that they would believe (just as the rich man wanted his family to believe...).
Notice the graphic detail: He can hear, see, taste, touch and smell. He is literally tormented in a literal flame. The context does not mention eternal because other scriptures do point to the Great White Throne Judgment then the final "lake of fire."
Parables usually have points, and the point mentioned by Mr. Zielke does not add up. The Gentiles have no context in this story at all. Even if you claim it to be a parable, the entire context is Jewish. The point would have to tie into the literal agony of the rich man, and the non agony of Lazarus. Jesus usually states plainly the point of parables at the beginning or end of the Parable, but the chapter just ends with ..."If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Jesus wanted the Pharisees to heed to the words of Moses and Abraham and believe the gospel.
If Noah is as clear on the gospel as you say he is, praise God! No hard feelings against him. If destruction is the alternative of heaven, then our calling is most urgent still: preach the gospel!
Points to note:
- Study the Bible literally (if possible) and in context (all the time - don't John 3:16 every verse)
- Not all of Jesus' stories are parables
- Be careful not to allegorize portions of scripture that are not clearly intended that way
Thanks,
Trent
@@BibleLine Wow thank you so much for this reply and taking the time to read the articles and give this detailed reply, it shows that you really do care so I appreciate it. For me I was kind of at the same stance that I came to with calvinism on how there’s no way God could send someone to hell without giving them a choice. So I came to the conclusion of there’s no way God could send someone to hell for an eternity. But I think you’re right that even if it can be confusing, we should take the Bible literally as much as possible(obviously with keeping context in mind). I’m thankful that I don’t have to worry about what hell will be like for my life’s sake and I think i’ve came to the conclusion that whether hell is eternal or not, it’s a horrible place and should encourage us all to spread the gospel to people.
Do you perhaps have any videos or sources to help me gain some more knowledge on how to know when something is to be taken literal or allegorically. I guess the answer would be to always read in context, so maybe some sources to better understand context behind verses.
All of your points did make sense so again thank you🙏
Yeah sure thing! I appreciate hearing a differing perspective on the matter. I’ll attempt to dig up some stuff at a later time. Nothing comes to mind at this moment. Pastor Jesse may have something. In the meantime, I would look up the idea of biblical hermeneutics. A study into this may lead you to a better understanding of why we interpret literally over allegorically most of the time.
- Trent
What are the consequences of a believer ignorantly supporting ministries pastors evangelists that covertly have added works such as repentance from sins & enduring unto the end & water baptism lordship salvation confession of Jesus before men Calvinism etc to the gospel? I personally feel like instead of being led like a sheep following a shepherd I am being driven like cattle in my personal life while my body has been enduring pain while getting older and feeling weighed down. Could this have been a consequence of reaping from having fallen into the promise of supporting ministries like that described above? Could I be reaping a curse? If so how might I break the curse?
Thank God we don't need a formula. You seem to have a " formula". also
Please Help me I Believe Jesus Is The Son of God and God The Son of The Holy Trinity I Believe Jesus Shed His Blood and Died in my place to Pay for All my Sins He was Buried Then 3 Days Later Jesus Arose From The Dead!!! But I am struggling with some Sins that I honestly don’t know how to quit I hate my Sins But I genuinely don’t know how to stop them Am I still Saved because of faith in Jesus or am I Not Saved because of my Sins? Thank you for All your Help and Time God Bless you
You are still saved because Christ died for your sins; all of them. There is no sin that can send you to hell.
God may very well chasten you for your sin, but the consequence for your sin was dealt on the cross. The moment you believed in Him; you received eternal life. Eternal life is not something you are waiting on. You have it now. John 6:47
- Trent
“Broke the law”? 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
What the Furtick?!
Yeah, that’s such a crazy statement. People need the truth, not crazy statements that tug on the emotions.
- Trent