New Chagoi Koi (and why every pond needs one)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2021
- Every koi pond needs a Chag (Chagoi). Since the first time I introduced a Chag to my koi pond some 25 years ago I've been convinced of this. They are always the character in the pond and bring a calming influence to all the other koi. They are always the first up for food and always grow really well as they are much closer genetically to the original wild magoi from which koi descend.
In this video I introduce my new Chag and talk about why I chose this particular Marusei Chag from Quality Nishikigoi. At the end is a couple of shots of her the very first day she went in the pond. eating out of my hand from literally day one!!
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Love my chagoi and so easy to get a chag to feed from you I’ve noticed witch helps the other koi build there confidence
It does indeed mate. This one throws itself half out the water at you when you go near the pond now and all the others are a lot more confident than before.
Got our one Friday. She is absolutely stunning. She already changed the whole atmosphere in the pond.
Hi mate, its amazing the effect they have isn't it. You need to up your feeding rate now though or the others wont get a look in 😁
I added a gin rin chag about 3 weeks ago - bit of an impulse buy. It has indeed completely changed the character of the pond - way beyond what I would have thought possible by adding just one fish. I’d read about it but not really believed it. Never fails to put a smile on my face…. And thanks for the content.
Thanks Richard, you're more than welcome.
Good to hear your Chag is doing its job 😁😁😁
Well, she is a stunner. Love the scalation and the colour. Absolutely beauty. My favourite breed! Really nice.
Hi Lau, I agree, although I love kohaku I think a nice Chag would be top of my list too. I wouldn't be without one 🥂🥂🥂
@@DazzleKoi same here for the Chags 😃
Good looking fish. Your videos are very helpful. Cheers
Thanks very much, I really appreciate that. Makes it all worthwhile 🍻🍻👍👍🍻🍻
Very nice looking fish. Thanks.
Cheers mate 🍻🍻
Looks a stunner ❤️
So far so good mate. Hopefully I can keep her in good shape as she grows. They way she throws herself at you when you go near the pond worries me I'll find her on the floor one day. Might have to get some glass across the front as well as the sides and back I think.
Chags are amazing I’ve got 2 & and added an ochiba very recently and has totally transformed the dynamic of the pond.
Hi there, sorry, I missed a load of comments, your being one of them 😒
How are things going now? Still happy with the ochiba and the chags?
Great looking Chagoi👍
Thanks mate 🍻👍🍻👍🍻
Nice chag, enjoyed the vid 😀
Thanks Andy, good to hear mate 🍻🍻🍻
Wow stunning fish love it 👌🏻👌🏻
Cheers Tim, thanks a lot 🍻👍🍻👍🍻
Great stuff!,
Thanks mate 👍🍻👍🍻👍
Just what I'm looking for, lost my 65cm Chag earlier this year gutted but she was about 25/26 years old so had a good run.
Hi Adam, sorry to hear that mate, its amazing how attached you get to them. They all have their own character somehow. Have you got another Chag ?
Thanks Daz I'm doing the Andy Daily/Adam Byer grow n show and I'm down for a Chag + Kohaku so looking forward to that. 🍺
Cool. I like a grow and show. I've got a little sanke from one at the moment but I don't really have the setup or pond volume to be competitive. Maybe in a few years 😁
Nice looking chag Daz 👌
Cheers Rex 🍻🍻
I agree 100% with this video Daz. My fish would not even eat off the surface while I stood next to the pond. Got a Chag in May and within 2 weeks every fish was hand feeding
Hi Matt, good to hear mate, I think the bold nature encourages others but also the fact that they eat so readily means the others have to get in there quick or the Chag will eat everything 😁😁
Great video again 🤤👍
Thanks Terence 🍻🍻
Lovely fish mate, something nice about the simple beauty of a Chag that appeals to me. I call mine the social secretary. She is a good influence on the rest.
haha, totally agree mate. I can still clearly remember my first one (Charley), 25 years ago, but I struggle to recall any of the other koi in the pond at the time.
Hi daz, great vid again, could you do a video on feeding as in how much, when and what types/best time of year. Also maybe feeding through winter with/without heater. To help with spawning and prevent egg bound fish etc.
Hi Daniel, yes that's a great idea mate, I'll add that to the list 👍👍🍻🍻👍👍
Very nice koi. She looks great now and will look stunning as she gets larger. Certainly an eye catching koi so I can see why you choose her. My largest koi is a deep copper coloured gin rin chagoi coming in at a little over 67 cm and she is now 12 years old. One of my favourites as your newest one will become if she hasn't already. Looking forward to see how she develops in the future.
Thanks mate. Sounds great and a nice size to. I have never owned a gin rin Chag, Maybe when I build a bigger pond I can put that right 👍👍👍
Cheers daz👍
Thanks Richard 🍻🍻
Lovely fish would love to have one too stay safe
Thanks Carol, I definitely recommend getting one for your pond. They are really great characters 👍👍🥂🥂👍
Gotta love a good chag mate and you're not wrong every Pond should have atleast one 👍👍👍
I've always fancied the idea of having a pond of only Chag. I reckon that would be cool. I've never seen it done but I bet someone has 🍻🍻
@@DazzleKoi that wouldn't surprise me 👍
😊😊👍👍 stunner
Thank you 🥂🥂
Beautiful 😍
Cheers mate, really happy with her 👍👍🍻🍻
@@DazzleKoi brilliant addition to the pond. Chags totally transform your whole pond 🐟😎👍🏼
Take care mate 👍
You to fella 🍻🍻
Agree my fish would not come near me i put a chagoi in and the difference is amazing all hand feed just after a few weeks love the video
Thanks mate, mine sucks my grandsons fingers now too 😁😁😁
Nice replacement mate! I've got two chags to move on just not growing and Quality not good with shimmy, so on the look out myself!
Hi Col, they seem to be in short supply at the moment. Tim took ages to get some in and when he did he didn't get many and they went very quickly.
Just got a Chagoi at the weekend. Early Birthday present. PS this is both left and right audio. 🎉
Nice one, has it had any effect on the others? Happy Birthday mate 🍻🍺🥂
@@DazzleKoi they were all a pretty friendly bunch to start with but I was surprised to see the Chag right in the thick of things come feeding time on it’s first day so shows how characterful they are.
Lovely fish mate, that’s is one I will be definitely getting. Pond is being fibreglass next week 😁 they are installing my windows has well, Can not wait finally getting there after nearly a year digging it out by hand and building it. Didn’t realise how much it was going to cost , not a cheap hobby. But well worth it
Hi Andrew, sadly you're right, it can get incredibly expensive. I've been in the situation where I spent an absolute fortune on equipment and on fish. My gas and electricity alone was £300 a month for the pond I had. Now I can't afford to spend that kind of money I'm doing it on a much smaller budget and scale.
I've found though that the pleasure I get from it is equal to before and as a bonus the stress and pressure is much reduced
It will all be worth it in the end mate 👍👍👍🍻🍻🍻👍👍👍
@@DazzleKoi I saved on my filters I bought second hand. They are only two years old, they replaced them with a drum filter. I certainly will not be heating it too expensive. It’s only just 2800 gallons so should not be to expensive to run 👍
Good stuff mate. That's a good size too. I had large ponds and small in the past and I always feel that 3000 gallons is the perfect size in terms of costs to run and space to grow some decent sized koi. That's what my next pond will be once we move house.
This fish and 1 platinum ogon is exactly the reason I am rebuilding my pond. Great video. Does she have a name?
haha , hi Suzy, I call every pet I've ever owned Dave so unfortunately this one is no different 😁
Looking for a chagoi for my pond. For that same reason to chill out the rest of the pond.
Hi mate, good luck with the search, you wont regret it I'm sure 🍻🍻👍👍🍻🍻
I only have 1 Japanese fish in my pond, and it's a chagoi 😁 I just really wanted one 🐟
Hi mate, definitely a good choice. I wouldn't be without one either 👍😁👍
Please can you post a picture of ur corner bracket for it glass jump guards..I need some the same many thanks Andy
Hi Andrew, I just got them off ebay , there are loads of different ones on there. They have gone up a LOT in price since I got mine (more than double) so you'll need to shop around. Something like these
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353513122975?hash=item524f062c9f:g:KfAAAOSwOyRgsNEQ
I have a Japanese Showa tosia with 1 gin run scale haha.
Hi mate, I'm reliably informed by a very highly respected UK dealer, that its a sign of good skin quality 👍👍👍
What are you using for feeding them daz cheers 🍻
I feed Hikari wheatgerm mate. Because I have a couple of very young fish I will add a bit of all season in the warmest periods but wheatgerm all year round.
How interesting about the behaviour(s)
Hi George, it is. It's due I believe to the fact that they are still close to the wild magoi that koi descend from. More highly interbred, coloured koi, are further removed and so lose that natural relaxed, friendly disposition. Thats also the reason they tend to grow bigger and quicker.
So is she a keeper, has she got a name yet❤️
Hi Paul, yes definitely a keeper, really made up with her so far.
We don't really have names for them, I call every fish, dog, child we have 'Dave' so she will inevitably be called Dave 😁
Could be script from only fools and horses, alright Dave (Rodney)🤣
I suspect that may be where it all started mate. I've done it for a LONG time now.
We had 3 chickens about 15 years ago, all female, all called Dave. That was the first instance I can remember😁 😁😁
You know I'm not convinced that just because a koi fish is a certain colour, brown in this case, that it's a fish destined to grow big and fast. I know that within the koi community the sentiment is that a chagoi is a friendly fish that will grow very big and lead all your other fish into eating more and being more friendly as a whole. My response to that is "maybe" and that any fish, regardless of it's colour, can be friendly, eat well and grow big. It just depends on it's genetics and if you have a good enough pond for them. The whole narrative of "you need a chag in your pond for x, y and z" is how people sell a single coloured brown fish in a hobby that has the most decadent and colourful, patterned fish. Not saying that chagois aren't lovely in their own right, the gin rin variations are magical
Hi there, it is based on fact rather than sentiment. While you are definitely correct that any fish can be friendly and grow big, dependant on genetics and conditions, the reason chag have better odds of growing big is that they are closer to the larger wild magoi from which koi descend. Brightly coloured koi are further removed due to breeding many generations away to introduce the colours. Chags dont have this interbreeding as much so dont have the smaller fish bred in and the highly strung nature which makes them less friendly. They are also therefore more robust and less prone to ailments.
It isn't dreamt up to sell more chags, they are less expensive so that would be counter productive, it is based on the impact a chag has on your entire pond when you introduce one for the first time. If you dont have one, put one in and I guarantee you will see your entire collection of koi change for the better. They will eat more confidently and they will be calmer and more friendly towards you.
What about karashigoi and soragoi?
Hi mate, karashigoi do seem to give the same kind of benefits as a Chag for sure. I know soragoi in theory should be similar but I've only owned one and mine wasn't particularly friendly. I think any koi could be friendly but the chances are greatly increased with a Chag or similar.
Great video, out of interest what's your hesitation on getting a fish that gets big/jumbo? Do you not think your pond can take 5x 60cm+ fish? Was hoping my 750g with a draco drum could handle that
Hi Ryan, no I wouldn't be comfortably keeping fish above about 65cm in my pond. Its just not physically big enough for them to move freely and not damage themselves all the time. Parasites will rip through them rapidly to and I would have problems constantly.
They need space and volume for dilution of hormones etc.
Filter size or type doesn't have any bearing on that in my opinion. If you think about what a filter does, it takes physical waste out and it neutralises ammonia. Taking the waste out is easy. Any decent mechanical filter will remove fish waste and keep it clean enough that the fish are happy. There is no mechanical filtration in nature after all and they are just fine. The problem is chemical which nature overcomes with dilution. So once a biological filter is capable of dealing with your ammonia (and that includes subsequent nitrite) it cant do any more. You can double, triple whatever you want, the size and it is still only dealing with the ammonia as it was before.
What it isn't doing is removing hormones etc So for me its a bit of a myth that putting a bigger filter on a small pond makes it equivalent to a big pond. It just isn't the case. The pond is still small both physically and in terms of dilution.
You have a much better benefit on the water chemistry from a trickle in trickle out set to 100% a week for example, than you would from having a bigger filter.
@@DazzleKoi thanks for the long reply, makes perfect sense
@@DazzleKoi hi
I have an 800 gallon pond with massive filtration on it 4 x bakki tiers one metre long and a separate canister top quality London’s Bristols and Wakin is what I’ve always kept I have other ponds and tanks too
This year for a change I went to a dealer and decided to put some koi into my 800 gallon ok maybe I may get 3 years watching them grow feeding them Saki then they will need bigger digs !!!
I have cemented an outlet pipe through my brickwork I Run water through 3 cartridges solids , heavy metals chloramines etc
I’m told a bakki shower especially the higher the better can have a great effect reducing nitrates although they don’t remove pheromones
I had some big losses on my London Shubunkins and Wakin last year the koi have been a nice distraction from that they are small 6 inches down to 2 inches and an olive green Cha goi is about the smallest it’s gonna be enjoyable watching them progress long term Im afraid my pond just ain’t big enough
@@DazzleKoi ps great pond
Hi Simon, sounds like you are at the start of the journey that leads to Koi obsession and a HUGE pond and no money 😁😁
Enjoy the ride Sir 👍👍🍻🍻👍👍
Good video . This is gonna be my philosophy on selecting koi when I’m ready to stock my pond . Buy what I like not what’s necessarily gonna be a big fish or show a winner. By the way the hole at the side of the pond is working wonders Darren . I’ve had 2 days of down pour here in Essex and only a couple of inches in the pond instead of 12 inches which would have happened before . All ground water diverts to the hole to be pumped away . If I can get a week of dry weather I should be good to go with fibreglass .
Nice one, it can be an absolute nightmare when you get ground water issues. Hopefully the weather is kind to you soon. It will all come good in the end mate and be well worth it 👍👍👍
@dazzlekoi my first two koi, 4 weeks ago are young chags a chocolate/orange and a ginrin. Both hand feeding from day one amd beautiful fish, but the ginrin is quite aggressive at feeding time and they end up going at each other with their mouths.
You made a comment about downsides of males in the pond and wondered if this is one of them? Probably still too young to sex.
They're fine after a few minutes, its only around feeding.
Hi mate, sorry for the delay replying, I lose track of comments on here.
I dont think its aggression that you see, I have 2 fish that do exactly this and I have seen a lot over the years. One koi goes up and takes in a lot of food and then goes to the bottom and another comes and basically the first one passes food to the second one. I honestly have no idea why they do this but its the same 2 koi and they do it every single time. Mine are both female.
@@DazzleKoi Thanks for the reply mate, hope all is well and keep up the great work. Your videos are invaluable to newbies like me.
How do you get rid of the Koi you didn’t want?
Hi Mark, its a tricky one this. I have always managed to find someone who will take them off my hands. People with fish ponds usually want them because of their size and colour. You can put them on facebook groups but you have to make it clear they are free and not for sale as groups get deleted for allowing fish sales.
Some of the hardy varieties such as chag, soragoi etc will live very happily in a local pond or lake but you need to make sure there are no predators such as pike in there, particularly when it comes to more colourful koi.
So my fish will out grow my pond also ?
You should be ok. It can and does happen though, even with the biggest ponds. This is another reason I try to stick to good stocking levels as its a nightmare if you have to get rid of them when you've had them years.
Wow she is a hungry gal!
She is definitely that mate. All the others have to be quick now or they don't get any 😁😁😁
Lol..... mine is the same way. They have such a clown like personality.
I think that CHAGOI is not bad. But why not breed in Europe the original European CHAGOI or KARASHIGOI? I have heard many stories from NARITA's father about what he did to fix such a CHAGOI. I think that you guys have a chance to surpass us.
Hi mate, I'm not familiar with any English breeders although I do know there are a few who do it. I think cuttlebrook breed some Chagoi but I'm not sure how good they are or where the oiyagoi were sourced.
@@DazzleKoi It doesn't make much sense to cross Japanese parents with each other. I understand that in the process of establishing these varieties, well-shaped wild common carp were crossed. I also understand that in Europe there are huge Common Carp with an attractive shape, which we don't see in Japan.(￣・ω・￣)
I agree mate. I have limited knowledge of common carp but from what I know I think Spain has some of the biggest in Europe. River carp to which will keep the body shapes better due to the flowing water. I'm not familiar with any Koi scene in Spain, it would be interesting to see some other European countries and learn how they do things.
@@DazzleKoi Thank you very much for your valuable information. I also did some research and it seems that there are some very promising common carp in France at Lake Rainbow. By the way, the question is, if we do manage to get such carp for OYAGOI, is it possible to bring them to the UK? (･_･ ？？ )
I think it would be very difficult. If it was easy to do I think our carp fishing lakes would be stocked with huge carp from France and Spain already. It may be possible if you can show that they will not be released in to the wild but it wont be easy.
Kinda of clickbaity there. Not every pond needs a Chag, just sayin.