How the Radical Left Has Inflamed Mental Illness, Addiction and Homelessness | Michael Shellenberger
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How can the radical left be responsible for "Mental Illness, Addiction and Homelessness" when the last 40 years of have been dominated by Thatcher, Reagan, Blair, Clinton, Trump and Obama? All people funded by business, as is your guest.
This guy is joke. The claim is made that the left has increased mental illness but when he is asked, "has mental illness increase?", a softball question crafted to help him make his argument, he can't answer it and rambles a bunch of random stuff for 10 minutes to cover up for the fact that he doesn't know. I think his credibility is doubtful. But hey, if you just want to hate on the left, people with no power, and blame them for everything, it doesn't really matter if knows what he's talking about!
@@room101b7 he answers that (in part) about 40 minute into this convo
@@tysparks598 Not really, he goes off on a meta-physical bent. America's social ills make money on youtube, just have to find someone or something to blame. Most people don't even meet wokeism in their lives, it's small potatoes. The level of intellectual grift in these guests is front and centre. America is not the world.
58.00 there AREN'T really any historical parallels, because ALL previous politicians, leaders or demagogues usually either or both believed in something or some ideology, and/or actually wanted to govern! 😳 Donald is the only one who WANTS NEITHER! Hitler had the same dark charisma & intuitive genius to target the perception filters and common sense of the his country so he could stuff half the country into a MASSIVE cult of personality, but he actually believed in something and actually wanted to govern! 😐
The horrible reality is that by coddling the worst elements of society you are not helping them become better your just letting them be worse.
Bingo, pay the man.
isn’t living without a home, access to rehab, or affordable psych meds the ultimate reflection of not being coddled…?
Especially when it comes to drug addicts. The more you coddle them the worse they get. They really need to listen to the actual addiction experts and not the far left whackos
@@ohnoitsemily1767 what? U completely miss the point. Most people think feeding the homeless and making the laws weaker to let them live in cities next to support services is a mercy(coddling). What they need is path to work and housing. We can't sacrifice the regular working people and our cities on the alter of misguided beliefs.
@@billsimms2511 I don’t see the right or centre proposing subsidized rehab
When I visited San Francisco in 2018 I was shocked and - frankly - appalled by the homelessness situation. I was staying in the Tenderloin district and I will never forget the scene that greeted me the first morning when I exited my hotel. The pavement full of people in sleeping bags, cooking on gas stoves or burning wood to boil some water. So, so many people. In the ten days or so I was there I saw several things that I wish I hadn't. People defecating in the street in full public view. A man who was beating his head against a wall so violently that he was covered in blood. People shooting up with no qualms about doing so in front of everyone walking past. People unconscious lying across pavements with empty bottles next to them. The situation is dire. If this is the end result of the '60s counterculture and liberalism taken to an extreme, then it has been catastrophic for many, many people. At one point what I was seeing got to me so much that I found myself in tears in the street. I struggled to understand how this could ever have happened in the richest country on Earth, so I am looking forward to reading 'San Fransicko'.
That's horrible..
@Martina S It truly was. And is.
From what I've read, San Francisco in the 1990s was the closest thing to the perfect city. It's terrible how they've messed it up since then. (I'm British and haven't actually been to San Francisco or indeed California. The nearest places I've visited are Seattle and Chicago).
@@ajs41 I lived in SF off and on over the years - initially in 1976 and for the last time in 2017 - and I agree wholeheartedly that what has happened in The City is appalling and hard to comprehend. To be sure, the income inequality now so characteristic of the States as a whole, and the SF Bay Area in particular, is part of the underlying problem. However, the liberal (or left-leaning) administrations that have run SF (and California) need to ponder very deeply their role in helping create - or at least doing nothing to ameliorate - the situation. And of course things are not so different in a number of US cities, including Seattle and Portland.
Socialism. It annihilates society.
I remember telling talking with a very liberal acquaintance about the hardship I experienced in social work, and they were asking what exactly the problem was- thinking they knew an easy answer to the problems people face in under-privileged communities. I just said, “People lie.” And she was shocked. Such a thought never occurred that there IS such thing as dishonesty/criminal behavior…and it can have dangerous consequences when children are involved.
As a social worker myself, I couldn't agree more. There are real issues in how the current generation of SWs, and even Psychologists and other medical professionals are viewing the world without common sense.
I work in benefits and can't agree more. The dishonest know how to work the system ten ways from Tuesday and get everything they want while the people who really need help and support either never come forward or slip through the cracks because everyone is too busy with the dishonest ones. It's been this way for at least the last 2 decades...
@@nagillim7915 In the UK governments constantly say they're going to 'crack down' on benefit fraud, yet benefit fraud is a tiny part of public finances. The crackdowns usually make accessing benefits harder for the honest people who just need a hand during a difficult time. Why don't governments spend some time and money on tracking down the people who avoid paying taxes instead? Because those people fund politicians and/or use their money and influence to protect their wealth. It's all upside down.
@@rossmitson - wasn't really talking about benefit fraud as such. If you look at the figures, more benefit entitlements go unclaimed than are claimed fraudulently. It's galling to know that the most genuine people who need the help often end up in the former category of not getting everything they should simply because they don't know to ask...
@@nagillim7915 The “system” was purposely designed this way by leftist bureaucrats so it creates generational dependency. Generational dependency further creates other areas of government and non-profits who lineup for the increasing amount of government money. More and more money with less and less results.
When I was 19 my family dumped my older brother on me to look after. He was in the process of developing full blown paranoid schizophrenia. I burnt out quickly and after 2.5 years had to kick him out as i couldn’t deal with him any more. I should note that he did refuse all offers from organisations that were specialised in mental health and welfare. I still believe in private charity and integration but the problem is that strong family structures do not exist anymore. And just one person to do the job is nowhere near enough. 20 years later I’ve cut off ties to my dysfunctional family and am lonely and depressed. Politicising this whole area of life is highly dangerous and utterly unhelpful! What would help (from outside sources) is helping families to stick together and to help Family to get through tough times as best as they can.
I was and still am criticised left right and centre for my naive desperate actions to help my brother as a 19 y old.
Loved the joke about the ‘crazy people get a RUclips channel’ 😂
You were very brave, and you learned the hardest part of mental illness is their choice NOT to get treatment or assistance. But they destroy things, they hurt themselves and others. It is the problem. Thank you for trying. Thank you for quitting also. Let the idiots who think they could do better do it. Hold yourself up high and with esteem. You done good!
I'm sorry you had to go through that with your brother. Only mental health professionals are equipped to work with mental illness, in a proper facility. The big problem in many areas is that the mentally ill person cannot be forced into treatment, so no one can really help them. It's a failure of society as a whole to not have a method to handle this problem.
@@kauffrau6764 not only are professionals equipped to deal with that, more importantly they have a detachment that a family member could not have. Even then, it can be exhausting working with mentally ill people.
Hats off the the original poster,they did their best, and they survived. Hopefully they will seek treatment and support for their current affliction and not follow their brother's example.
@@theflamingone8729 Thanks for mentioning the detachment, that is critical. My mother had Dementia and it was so difficult and painful to try to help her, because she wouldn't let me, so she had to live in a facility, where, after a few days, she was very happy! Meanwhile, I still had to handle all her affairs $ as POA and it was difficult.
Well done for trying to help your brother. I think I know at least a little of what you went through. My dear brother had paranoid schizophrenia. You cannot describe what it is like to be alongside a person with such levels of disturbance and suffering and even times of torment.. I was about 19 when my brother first became ill. He was to go on to have 40 years of suffering. We ( mother and I - my father had died) built an annexe onto our house for him as living together meant intimidation, fear, sometimes smashed windows etc. But he was my brother and I loved him. I continued to live with my mother.until she got dementia and I was able to look after. After she died I remained in the house alongside my brother until 3 years later he died at 64. We were fortunate enough to be given enough money by a relative to build the separate living annexe for my brother. Efforts to get him medical care came to nothing. He and we were entirely failed by the system. So although we did our best, looking back I can see that we also failed him. I am 71 now and thirteen years after his death grief over my beloved brother's suffering and my failures almost entirely overwhelm me at times. You did not have a relative as a close ally and the living situation close by but separate thst we had. Please ignore and forgive your critics. They don't know what they're talking about. I feel deeply for you with your life experience and loneliness and depression. Dear woman I will pray for you and your brother and family.
As a Brit living in SF I concur with what this guy says lol. Super wealthy city but absolutely messed up politics, and a culture of people in massive denial - they think they are progressives yet are parochial, provincial thickos. Many here seriously think the prevailing view is the cutting edge of humanity lol. They lack common sense to an extraordinary degree.
I think that is what bothers me the most about the far left states on the west coast. The fact that they are so arrogantly proud of their failures.
@@SugaryPhoenixxx I live in SF, it's out of control. The more money there is in this city the worse it gets.
It is not the fault of progressives that corrupt politicians claim to be progressive to get elected and then turn. Progressive policies are not being followed. They are, at every stage, neutered and constrained by corporate lobbying and means testing. Where it matters, on the level of materially addressing social needs, California and New York are as beholden to the business class as anywhere in the world. Conservatives don't care about it because it affords them the ability to pretend poverty is a moral defect insufficiently disciplined out of liberal enclaves.
I'm a UK landlord and early on I decided to help a homeless person by giving them shelter in one of my flats. Within a week he had threatened the other people living in the building, robbed them, their electricity meters, his electricity meter and slept on the floor instead of the flat's bed.
That was the last time I did this. Whatever the reason for his behaviour it has made me realise charity is definitely not the answer.
Maybe the problem is your lack of juddement?
Yup. I've done it so many times its not funny. I kept on doing everything to get that good guy badge, No good deed go's unpunished, you can take a horse to the river, but you can't make it
drink, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@@javieralvarez1072 >juddement< is widely overrated
Just because ONE homeless person created such an awful, stressful experience doesn't mean ALLLL homeless people will behave as he did!! Sounds like this particular bloke had some mental health issues. You shouldn't let ONE person colour your attitude towards being charitable to those in need. Sure, approach with caution, but if directly helping someone out as you did with this particular fella burnt you (understandably), there are charitable organisations you could donate to.
And yet I'm sure you will scream until you vomit about any suggestion that taxation should fund social services.
I worked as a general assistant at weekends in a large psychiatric hospital in Wiltshire in the UK. There were old people there who just had epilepsy and other elderly people who had had a baby when they were very young and were put in there by their families. The place had its own laundry, bakery, butchery vegetable gardens etc. There was also a separate clinic for people suffering from depression. They closed it down and and it was sold to a private housing developer. Care in the community what a joke. A lot of the people were elderly and needed 24/7 care. They needed to be in small units. They could have converted the hospital into small units with care and a cafe where meals were provided. I would say all the patients were elderly. There were men who had been in the 2nd WW and had never recovered, they should have been looked after in ex servicemen homes.
It was always the Cinderella of the Health Service. This was in 1967. All these massive places sold off and the money was never used to provide alternative facilities. Sheltered accommodation for people with m/h problems. When I think about it it makes me very angry to think of the way the people with m/h problems have been treated.
Same in Canada. In our city they closed all the mental health hospitals and now they mostly live on the streets
Canada has become a joke
The closing of the big institutions, with no provision for a real alternative, was the big sea change
This happened in many countries in the 80s. The idea started to spread that all these institutions should be closed down and it would be more humane if they lived on their own in the regular community. Honestly, I think it was a fringe idea, but the politicians latched on to it as a way to reduce their government budget. You send them into the general population then they are out of sight out of mind.
@@stevenews6660 Same in the US. Ever since the implementation of social healthcare with the Affordable Care Act (ACA), mental health programs disappeared in Kaiser Permanente. They had classes, counseling and help for anxiety, depression, addiction and Tough Love for parents with troubled teens. That facility is now closed....and our healthcare is anything BUT affordable.
@@reekinronald6776 I think it was President Reagan who did this in the US. Out of sight, yeah, they live on the sidewalks in many communities. But they are definitely out of mind.
Excellent interview.... you two are my new UK Rogan ... so to speak...a few years from now interesting people will be getting in line to be on your show ... keep up the sanity across the pond !
They have great interviews don't they? But if you catch them mid interviews they're a version of Derek and Clive.
Russel Brand is the UK R
@@vv7299 No, definitely not. Most of the time now RB just serves his audience from the US with anti vaxx and Pelosi stories.
@@konmoe121 you said antivax, lol you are one of them. Brand talks about a lot of various topics and has not once pushed the vaccine or completely criticised it. Said it is for your doctor to advise.
Hope you enjoy your 4th, 5th and 6th booster....
@@MrMegaTubs I won't enjoy any of them, but I know a lot of hospitalized unvaccinated people so my choice is made. I'm not afraid of needles or the vaccine.
Shellenberger has some great inside knowledge of what's going on. He's incredibly important right now. Hats off to him for being the best of the left and realizing that he needs the right and the center to fix things.
The problem is schizophrenics or people with very difficult mental illness wind up on the street because they can't take care of themselves. Then they start taking drugs to self medicate. It's horrible
Indeed it's horrible. All of them deserve treatment and a better life. We can't just leave people in the streets
@@casebeth They were never really looked after, so it's an ongoing problem. The reality is families can't look after them, and they then cause their families to become depressed and anxious, causing more mental health issues in society.
Shellenberger's a voice of reason in this crazy world. He has progressives pegged. I took a decade off social media, & when I came back in 2017 I couldn't believe what had happened to the narratives on the left.
When I read Shellenberger & he talked about how progressives don't understand criminals, that they blame everything on the system, some things started making sense to me, especially the way the left comes at criminal justice reform & drug abuse.
I appreciate you guys having him on your channel, this was a great interview (I like how you let your guests answer questions completely & go where that explanation leads).
Thank you.
The Left has quite a determinist outlook on human free will. If you had no choice, nothing is your fault.
For me it is kinda spooky how when a leftist starts to change his opinion he begins to sound like a fascist. "We will inevitably have to have wardens of the state. Can we just be honest about it?"
@@yuriarlequim Fascism shares same basic assumptions that underlie leftism. We are constantly told that they are opposites, but really they are the same thing.
@@Ubu987 i agree with you intaierly. The more I hear these "center" leftists types more the impression I get is that their preferred democratic opposition/sparring partner is always a fascist, and their idea of moderation is to adopt fascist like policies.
The lesson of the 20th is that the center left prefers a fascist economy with social welfare and occasional votes to a liberal society under a limited government. I can't understand why are these people considered moderates
@@yuriarlequim Which definition of fascism are you using? Mussolini's or some contrived one that's more of a blanket statement?
My ex-girlfriend was diagnosed as bipolar, but it became worse and worse, and at some point she was diagnosed as schizoaffective. It became unbearable, I barely believed these diseases existed, but now I know it's one of the worse things that can happen to a person.
It really is very awful. Being the caregiver for a person with this disease is also awful. Not because you do t love them, because you do. It’s because it gets so challenging and eventually it can break you.
My brother was diagnosed with bipolar and then schizoaffective later at 18. First adhd with meds a tatted at 12 years old. Sucks badly
I was diagnosed bipolar 2 a few months ago. It has made me reflect on my past relationships and made me realize why I acted so... Well, bipolar. The worse thing is that my psychiatrist just seems to care about pumping me full of pills. My appointments are all over the phone and they all last less than 5 minutes... Public healthcare is awful in Canada.
@@factsdontlie4342 im sorry. Havent experienced much better here in USA but it depends. I just don't believe you can't get better without meds. It's hard but you can get better however you decide to go
Drugs make it worse. Alex Berensons books explains how Marijuannna causes 1 out of 4 users to become schizophrenic.
Formally from the center left, now I'm center right but I like this guy a lot. He seems trustworthy, and I bought his book Apocalypse Never, it's great, now I want to get San Fran-sicko.
The old centre left is now part of the far right. Along with everything else not on the inside twist of the purity spiral.
Welcome to the dark side. We've got cookies made with real butter.
He is what you call a classical liberal. Which I am mostly. I believe in way smaller government. More individual choices. Live and let live. Don't f with my life. I won't yours.
I spent two years living in a tent in Europe, stealing food and all sorts. I had a job I just couldn't bare to stay on the hamster wheel at the time. It was a hard life but the memories I have make it rich. Its not just drugs and mental illness many people just can't function in society at all
I'm old enough to remember when the homeless were just bums. They became the homeless when "non-profits" discovered there was money to be made from them with a minimum outlay and of responsibility.
The time period is difficult to nail down. A lot of the mental patients were moved to group homes in the early sixties. It took a while for them to wander off and the group homes become defunded. Then for a time they became the panhandlers, and somewhere in there they gained advocates and were rechristened the homeless. I think it was in the nineties.
Actually it is not homeless…..the new term is unhoused.
So true. As true with every issue: follow the money.
I noticed a spike in the mid-late 80's. In Santa Monica, CA, anyway. Storefront sleeping and populating Ocean Park during the day, (where they got free food).
There weren't really encampments, like now, though.
Those were all downtown, skid row.
Also, a return to “Behaviorism” or ABA methodology with regard to child rearing will PREVENT a significant percentage of the mental health issues we’re having.
@@sw3783 Universal healthcare is needed. But just as this guy suggested, the program must include the right contingencies. I mean verifiable contingencies that promote health and deter corruption.
Schellenberger is one of the most astute commentators today. I have read his first two books. They are great.
When I was a grad student in the philosophy department (in Missouri) French philosophers like Foucault and Derrida were all the rage (especially in the English department), as a well as certain German ones (Heidegger of course). I preferred the more sober Anglo-American style of philosophy (Bertrand Russell, A J Ayer, etc.). Much of what was called "continental philosophy" (in contrast to the anglo-american analytic tradition) struck me as exaggerated rhetoric with some occasional insights. Both Foucault and Derrida were experts at obscure and inpenetrable prose. The problem is that some students treated both philosophers as some sort of prophets, and instead of call BS when the need arose, they contorted themselves and poured over the obscure passage the way monks might over what they thought was holy writ! Because they had already decided that it had to be true, they had to search for the "true" meaning of it. It had more the feel of theological exegesis than it did doing philosophy. Over the decades I see that this nonsense has metastacized into a full blown quasi-religious movement, otherwise known as "wokeism". I'm not writing from France (where I was deported to in 2018 - but that's another story!) and it's fascinating to watch this go full circle since this kind of rhetoric - repackaged American style - is coming back to France! How very bizarre!
This was my experience as a grad student in history, too.
I can relate to this so much - very well said.
What goes around comes around lol. Same as the opium problem.
You illustrate one of the problems with universities and philosophy, they live in an abstract world and then try to force ideas onto reality, where they don't work. But nobody seems to notice. I never read the French philosophers, except for Rousseau, as I studied some political theory. But I like Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky, just for the insight into the human condition.
sometimes compassion involves being tough and firm.
The State is acting as Mother, but not Father.
Haven't been to SF, but visited Portland about 7 years ago and was absolutely shocked by the amount of homeless people for such a small city. I imagine it's even worse now.
Imagine that any drug free free claen needles free bus passes free health care for worthless lazy parasirtes. Build it and they will come or in this case of leftist idiots, tear it down.
Typos intentional.
Assuming you're talking about Portland OR...the answer is yes. Many empty lots have been fenced off to prevent even more tents from being set up. It's really sad to see.
I wonder if they moved to LA
Yeah it gets worse year by year and just keeps compounding, even a decade ago it wasn't as in-your-face and obviously out of control in SF, it could be written off as just a few out of millions... now openly shooting up, defecating, masturbating in public, etc has been almost normalized, it's almost like the mentally ill are running the city.
I agree completely with Michael,extremely insightful and knowledgeable.
The Dutch are very pragmatic in their approach to almost everything. I asked a Dutch friend why he thought that was. He said everyone has had to come together to keep this country above water, and we didn't have time or interest to antagonize any one group. So it's when all hands on deck are needed these variations in belief systems must be put aside and a middle ground reached to ensure necessary cooperation.
A PR system helps with this, the two party antagonism of the US and UK system just doesn't help.
@@emilywilliams363 I detest the 2 party system - it sets up an automatic us vs. them. A multi-party system would be better, then different groups have to cooperate to get anything done.
@@kauffrau6764, the founding fathers despised the idea of a two-party system and didn't want the US to have that, but somehow that's what we ended up with nonetheless.
I agree with Michael Shellenberger on the drug issue. Too expensive to prevent their presence, but we should be able to expect that drug users can live without negative effect on the rest of us. Jail or rehab. No exceptions. No turning a blind eye to bad behavior.
Rehab does not work. Jails are filled with drugs. The best thing is to move drug addicts out in to the wilderness in to work camps and have them spend their lives working outside, in nature, reset their brains. It takes many, many years.
Rehab is a complete grift. It’s a total waste of money. Only 1 out of 30 drug addicts will stop using drugs after going through rehab.
@@missbee9140 rehab works best it just takes a willing participant you can’t force someone sober unless you plan to lock them up forever
@@JeffPenaify
Nope. Only 1 out of 30 will ever stay clean and sober. Rehabs are a total grift. All the money spent on rehabs could be far better used. Addicts needs to be removed from society - which is so abusive towards them - and sent out to the countryside to work outside in nature for decades. Nature and manual labor, housing, food, etc are what will save them and help them turn their lives around. Rehab is just a sick expensive joke.
@@missbee9140 you don’t know what you’re talking about lol relapse doesn’t mean the whole program is a failure most people who go through a quality rehab end up using significantly less and improving their lives in other ways, your 1 in 30 stat shows how little you understand about rehabs or addiction. If someone goes from living on the streets using everyday to having an apartment and using every other year in a relapse; that’s a major improvement. Relapse is a part of any legitimate rehab based on life long results. Your solution is authoritarian nonsense and it’s basically a rehab without the ability to leave lol
Foucault again.. Those french theory dudes really did a lot of damage 50 years down the line.
Well, to be fair it's their ideas that have been used to justify the abandonment of liberal democracy. They themselves had a point to a certain extent, it's just activists haven't been smart enough to counter their claims or integrate them into a more holistic insightful outlook.
Look up Michel Foucault on wikipedia. He was a pedia. He liked kids. Sick, sick man. Hero to Progressives like AOC.
@Mary Martin Big Pharma don't make all our rules. They just buy and sell politicians. Our political elite go along with that selling, because they are corrupt. Corporations are legally designed to make money. It's in their legal DNA, they are doing what they should. They need better laws, to behave ethically. They don't make those laws, they just take advantage of our stupid laws, they are not the moral arbiter here, nor the law makers.
I'd guess Shellenberger wishes to change people's minds first, he knows all that of which you commented, he knows he has to change the public's mind first, then maybe later it will be more popular and we can tackle the corporate problem. Why should he attack corporations when they will never fix themselves? First you need to change the publics mind.
@@andyjarman4958 you could argue he and others gave birth to the bastard child but there are important truths in post-modernism that I think need to be integrated. As you point out, critique and integration, aka the scientific method, is the key. As we've seen with feminism, constant critiques by 'new waves' have led to a muddle of internally inconsistent ideas detached from reality.
@@evanblackie7510 There's hardly anything useful to be gleaned from post modernism. It's more like intellectual terrorism - people use it to muddy the waters so they can replace a proven idea with their own idiotic one.
The other day I read a post-modernist native American "archeological" paper, where the author claimed that modern archeology is a western construct. She then went on to assert all sorts of "facts" about native American tribes that run counter to current archeological evidence, based on stories that were apparently told to her. And in her mind this was just as legitimate as doing actual archeology.
I've worked in mental health in the UK for over 15 years and this interview sums up so much of what I've seen. The faustian pact between right wingers who want to save money and left wingers who believe that everyone can get better results in services being shut and peoples lives being destroyed. It's very frustrating to see it first hand.
Do you think there's some degree of overmedicalisation of rational mental responses to violent or damaging situations too?
I’ve always been a right winger and I’ve always believed in mental hospitals. I’m 73 and a native of California. We have mental illness in our family. We are a large loving family but sometimes you can’t care for someone who won’t let you.
Loved this talk. I'm a recovering addict and I know from experience and knowledge of so many recovered addicts that addiction precedes homelessness. I'm also fascinated and encouraged to hear his answer to the final question: do we need spirituality? Yes we do. I attended a Royal College of Psychiatrists event in 2020 (I'm a PhD in clinical psychology with a special interest in addiction, mental health and parenting) on what the NHS offers re mental health and spirituality. The evidence is clear that we need spirituality for health. So Mr Schellenberger is correct and I was glad to see the Triggernometry boys nod in agreement.
I work in a city where there used to be a large psychiatric hospital which was shut down in the 80s with the idea that with the right medications, people with serious mental illness can live independently in the community. It definitely does not work. There are countless people homeless or living in squalor because of this. Case Workers are sent out to help them, but the individuals often choose not to engage. All services for mental health are voluntary, even if a person is totally psychotic, delusional and creating chaos in the community or in their home, they will not go to the hospital to stabilize or get professional help or medications unless they want to. And very few people who are delusional and psychotic see any problem with their behavior and thoughts. If there is a fear that one of these individuals may become violent, there is nothing the police can do unless the violence actually occurs. Even then, if a person with mental illness does become violent or commits a crime, they usually just get an appearance ticket and go right back into the community where the crime occurred. There is no accountability and Covid has made it worse because court hearings are backed up. People are getting sicker, there is more drug use and less accountability. It's so hard to understand how the state can see this and continue the course of "treatment" for these poor individuals. It's tragic and people with serious mental illness are extremely vulnerable to being victims of crime themselves. The system has failed.
100%.
Great interview, and the quality of the comments engaging with the conversation is very reassuring. I strongly feel that this is the kind of content which is the reason audiences are leaving traditional media in order to seek out something which offers more light and less heat. Great work.
Agree - traditional media, regular news, is useless. It's sensationalistic. I'm o YT every day at channels like this and looking for more. Am learning so much, not just from the channels, but from the comments as well. People from all over the world are here.
The fact that the name "James Lindsay" wasn't mentioned at about 3 different points in this podcast is odd. Obviously with Claire, he's clearly been huge on the CRT front, and his understanding on the history of the academic side of all of this is unparalleled.
some people prefer talking about ideas to name-dropping
James Lindsay is a powerhouse of understanding CRT, Marxism, and post modernism.
James is the absolute best on Critical Theory (not just CRT) and its history and long-march application.
James will get his shine some day . Dont push it.
@@theisisreincarnate - it can't happen fast enough.
i would love to see you guys talk to someone about autism,
i'm autistic and live in a homeless hostel with all the groups of people your discussing,
i feel constantly left behind in a system not designed for people with my condition but nowhere else to go :(
I am so sorry to hear that you are suffering in this system. 100 years ago your family would have been there for you. I will say a pay for you and send you a hug.
Please don't give up! Press inward and upward.
The system is broken. Look to God instead.
Good luck Brother! I was diagnosed with Asperger's although I don't believe it fair to lump myself in with Full autists .
This comment broke my heart. I really hope things get better for you. Don’t give up
@@julzgulz1992 :)
There is no easy, one size fits all solution when dealing with humans. The easy answer is not always the best answer. Different strokes for different folks. Addicted homeless are different from mentally ill homeless, who are different from abused, sex-trafficked runaway teen homeless. Those differences imply their proper solutions. Being able to discriminate is essential to intelligence and to intelligent problem solving.
True but the longer someone is homeless the more chances that person does become mentally ill.
@@artgurrl I don't know how that chain of causation would work. I can see a latent mental illness being activated by the stress of being homeless, or from exposure to mind altering drugs, but I don't see how an otherwise mentally healthy person becomes mentally ill, due simply to homelessness. Brain trauma or some soul bending emotional trauma might be a trigger. However, I reckon either of those traumas would precede the homeless condition, not follow it.
@@glennmitchell9107 What you say is true but I think the situations that homeless people face can bring on mental illness. It can stem from PTSD from living on the streets. The crime and violence they face as homeless is pretty much under reported. What they face can be seriously traumatic. I'm pretty sure depression that homelessness brings on takes its toll and helps create mental illness as well. I think we underestimate the amount of stress they go through.
@@artgurrl Even more reasons to address street people's issues individually, rather than with a one size fits all government plan. Whatever the city (Seattle) is doing in regard to street people, it isn't doing it well.
@@glennmitchell9107 It sounds like whatever the Dutch are doing is doing well. But our country is so freaking lame and elites just don't give a shit. So honestly I don't see anything happening in my lifetime.
Great interview. Agreed with almost everything Michael said. To Michael's final thought this phrase comes to mind: "Every man is born with a God-shaped hole in his heart. You *will* worship something. What will it be?"
As to the topic of Trump, to his supporters he represents America First economic policies (secure borders, cessation of exporting jobs overseas, the end to interventionist wars, fair trade with other nations), and conservative social policies (freedom of speech and religion, treating the nuclear family as the bedrock of society, anti-wokeism).
As to the Trump topic: same thing here in Brazil with Bolsonaro, which he mentioned in a distorted way. Mr. Schellenberger probably gets his information from the MSM portraying him as a demon or a clown. But the truth is he defends pretty much these same issues. The left ruined our whole country, not just a few cities, and they’re everywhere over academia, media, public service… so fighting against the establishment is no joke.
He certainly doesn't look 50.
What shape is God, then? My guess is a dog. You know it makes sense.
I worship CCTV cameras that don't work.
Expecting families to look after mentally ill people is... well... delusional. If you've never had long-term experience with someone who is mentally ill, you have _no_ idea what a drain it is on families.
@@rampagingram2453 You proved Fulani's point in spades.
A hundred years ago most of the mentally ill would just live incredibly short lives. I've also seen reporting on the situation in China today. Families there simply chain up their mentally ill family members. It's the best they can do while working to survive themselves. I suspect it is like that around the world. The world have never been kind to the vulnerable.
@@julzgulz1992 I spent 4 years living in African villages. In one, there was a man who had been a teacher, a respected member of the community. But he developed mental illness in his 20s or 30s and became violent, so he was shackled in order to keep him from chasing people. It was a horrifying sight at first, but when you observed the situation and considered the other options in a poor African village, it kind of made sense. He was free to roam the village, people fed and clothed him, and the village provided a hut where he could sleep and had access to an outhouse (everyone in the village lived in huts and used outhouses). He was often seen sipping a coffee with other men in a roadside cafe. He was a part of village life and he posed no threat.
If the services are cut to the point where mental illness isn't even diagnosed, the authorities don't even need to acknowledge the problem. A relative of mine get's regularly dumped at her family's doorstep whenever the police a forced to deal with them, or homeless services is forced to deal with them. Without a mental health diagnosis, the family have no voice to say they aren't able to help anymore. They don't want drugs in their home, and their minor children are terrified of their relative, who is highly aggressive and sells all their stuff to buy drugs. It's a tragedy for everyone involved.
@@GlasPthalocyanine This is why addiction needs to be recognized as an illness, not a character flaw. I've seen people comment on line "Where are their families?!" People have no idea what families are up against.
They are basically infants with no idea how the real world works. My local council have spent tens of thousands building bike lanes that nobody uses while pensioners are tripping on pot holes on the pavements.
Thank you for taking on such topics …. My family has significant history of mental illness and addiction … hospitalizations and detox centres over the decades. The lack of interest in talking about it is unbelievable. Responses have enabled the “Head in the sand” approach! As a middle child it all seemed to fall on me and I’m burning out as a care giver.
Ok, there are the truly crazy among the homeless, then there are the people who for one reason or another get off track, lose their job, then they lose their significant relationships, they they lose their family, mostly then they just dis-integrate. They fall apart. What they really need, at least the guys, is a job, something to keep them occupied, give them the social status of being among the employed, being able to provide for your children maybe. Not being able to do those things, at least for a man, is crushing - it could drive you mad. It does.
Strong words!
Excellently stated William. 🙏✊
@@cyclist68Thanks for the reply.
The harsh reality in LA is that most of these people are unemployable. They are too far gone. It's not a housing or employment issue for the majority. Some need to be institutionalized and some need to be incarcerated. There are encampments here with dozens of addicts who have been living in tents for 10+ years.
Being on the streets seems to turn the tiny cracks in your persona into big ones.
Couldn't agree more.
BRILLIANT conversation. Finally someone talking sense about senseless woke madness. Thanks, guys.
The slaughter of cities by Dr. E Michael Jones has a deeper understanding and would be an excellent guest ❤🙏
I couldn't agree more. Jones brings a very different understanding of American culture and the forces operating on it. His ideas may not be correct, but he does offer a way to break out of the stale and politically correct narratives we all seem to be trapped in when thinking about problems like this.
Well done guys, this guy is very clear-eyed and honest.
You have to remember that mental facilities were horror shows in the mid 20th century and there was a major backlash against them because of this.
Indeed, there was a great need for reform but it went too far. To put psychiatric patients on the streets was not the solution. In my own experience my leftist friends were against any psychiatric treatment whatsoever. They usually went on and on about self-determination and could not understand that under psychosis the self is fractured and not functional at all.
@Mary Martin We are talking mental health and I am against vaccine mandates.
@Mary Martin Oh, another one who can't understand that under psychosis the self is fractured and dysfunctional.
With respect I can't agree with you because I spent a few months in an old style mental health facility in the early 1970s. It was way out of town in the midst of beautiful countryside. Now it's an upmarket expensive and exclusive estate of private houses and apartments. Today I'd have been given some pills and left to sort myself out. More recently my friend had an spell and after a hospital stay (with exemplary care) her Care in the Community amounted to a ten minute visit once a month from a Social Worker to ask her if she was OK. Luckily my friend is ok to her friends admiration she has really got herself together more than we expected to be honest which is to her credit. The horrific image of the old lunatic asylums was created by Hammer Horror movies and the like.
@@janebaker966 Lobotomies were real.
Great show! Hight quality. Thank you
This is one of your best episodes ever. Thanks guys!
What a brilliant, informative & well balanced talk. Very well done.
Re what he says about The Netherlands..I'm Dutch and everything is very woke over there. Environmental policies are not based on science or willingness to improve the situation but on how to implement policies that further the control of the govt on its citizens.
You're the first Dutch person I've heard diverge from your culture's brainwashing. I'm always impressed how same everyone is in some of those countries
Love the breadth of Michael’s discussions. Some interesting points of view. Again we’ll done all!
I'm progressively fighting against progressivism.
What a regressive state of affairs. Progressively speaking.
Shellenberger is a "mainstream liberal"....but has the same positions as I do on just about everything... and every Conservative I know.
I noticd that. Also he takes no responsibility for his role in the mess
Agree-Classical Liberal!
@@happydaze7386 very well stated 🕊💚🕊👵🏽👋🏾
Great conversation. A few points of contention:
1. Mental health care will be politicized if you expect the government to be part of the solution. That's unavoidable.
2. Sure, drugs should be legalized but more than that, a certain social stigma about them needs to happen. We simply cannot afford to think of drug usage as a simple right of passage that everyone goes through. We need to realize that when we try drugs, we are playing Russian roulette with our brain chemistry.
3. He may well have been the most explicit public thinker yet that calls out about what's really going on with secularization: people are building their replacement religions to satisfy their spiritual needs. He's right: most everyone needs this and way too few realize it.
Thanks for having this conversation, guys. I'm like you, Konstantin--I am a centrist, and I ask why a lot of things have become political, including medical issues. I have so many questions about this, but I'm glad I got some of them answered. It seems politics will always be the true barrier when it comes to controlling, if not solving, these problems.
Thank you guys! Another great interview! Hope to see your show down under in 2022!
You knocked it out of the park again lads with the best interview yet in my opinion Michael Shellenberger is incredible and I agree with almost everything he said (I'm a supporter of President Trump). And welcome yo the idw you're in good company!
can people talk without using the word LIKE anymore?
Or adding the word ‘super’ before an adjective. Valley girl and vocal fry has become very common in American men, I wonder if it is part of the demasculinisation that is occurring.
Like you?
I really don't know how people continuously engage with this type of content. It gives me heart palpitations, it is so upsetting to actually dive deep into the world and see all the madness.
Also, how are some 50 year old men so incredibly attractive?
It is depressing. I go over to watch dogs and kittens, or comedy, to shake it off.
its not just housing. Medical bankruptcy is the #1 cause of people going from living and working to homeless and unemployed
Perhaps in the USA, but much of the Western world has socialized medicine.
The study of human psychological is the study of human nature. Ignore at your peril.
I like to live dangerously.
This is great to hear- thank you! I've recently left my career in MH/LD/housing support precisely because of the endless stupidity and Utopian lies of the various 'support' systems. We say 'everyone deserves a chance to make decisions about their lives' 'we need to support vulnerable people to learn ''life skills'' and then run their own lives'. All of these ideas sound lovely and it would be possible to do that with a small percentage of the people I worked with, given time and given that support workers weren't overloaded with clients all of whom were about to lose their homes, be sent back to hospital or are in general crisis. However, most of the cohort I dealt with had trouble cleaning themselves let alone filling in PIP forms. The benefits system is insane, it's built entirely on the notion of catching people out but you're not going to catch out the people I worked with because they weren't faking anything! I saw some people making great progress and doing things for themselves but they were already capable, they just needed confidence. The majority were people with no concept of being prudent, saving or how to cooperate with people in a work situation. I loved working with the majority of my clients but I couldn't keep stuffing vulnerable, frightened people into the lunatic sausage machine of the benefits system, a system that spends way more money on unnecessary staff and teams of people trying to 'catch' benefits cheats. It's not something we can easily quantify, but I would bet a lot of cash that the most cynical of the cheats dwarves the haemorrhaging of money spent on a clunky complicated system. My solution would be assessment by a Doctor and a recommendation from them for long term support from someone like me, automatic rent and whatever benefit payments they were entitled to and no more means testing. The government says that neither PIP not DLA are means tested, but I have sat in enough with clients to tell you that they as good as are. I have had a lot of clients refused PIP when nothing had changed in their circumstances (usually because they'd been interviewed with support present) and every single one of them got it all back at the appeal, usually with extra on top from the judge. These clients will usually have to go through it all again in a year or so.
None of this is party political or ideological for me, I think that people who can, should work- that could be voluntary or paid or just something the person enjoys doing that benefits the community. It's good for humans to be busy and feel useful, unfortunately most of the cohort I worked with were very busy panicking about benefits, feeling worthless and getting progressively more and more ill.
Sorry to bang on!
I have Schizophrenia but consider myself relatively high functioning these days. I have a home & some nice things. I still like to study up on it as it helps put the symptoms into context. But what I am really interested in lately & would love to hear peoples views on this. That is the link with nicotine & Schizophrenia. I used to smoke ciggies now I vape (high Nicotine dose). I have been hospitalized 9 times but not for 7 years at the the moment which is really great progress for me. But I digress what I really noticed is the majority of people similar to me in Hospital smoke (or chew) some form of Nicotine, in most cases chain smoke. I find it a great form of self medication & yes I know their are risks involved. I don't really want to share my views as I am more interested in others experience with using Nicotine as a form of treatment. Please comment here if you have thoughts on this :)
That's interesting, let me know if you find research on this
My family is lower middle class/working class. The abuse my brother and I received is something we are just now getting over in our 30s and 40s. My mentally ill parents…I’m sorry, I can’t care for them. I can’t have that abuse around my kid.
Much would rather have my schizophrenic aunt than my narcissistic parents.
@@sw3783 I’m so sorry. That must’ve been hard. My aunt’s illness was acute and much more manageable. When she went off meds, she did have hallucinations, but her being off meds was a rarity. 30 plus years of my life, I can only name twice that she got concerning by being off her meds. She held down a state job and managed life very well.
My narcissistic parents, though, are a black hole of emotion and money. And I can’t let them have an inch or they would take a mile. It took me decades to even realize they were mentally unstable as I grew up thinking they were normal and that’s how families are. They scare me for what they could do to my husband and son as far as ruining our their lives like they almost did mine. So I keep very strict boundaries. I’m talking real NPD. Not just that they were “toxic”. Real personality disorders that had major impacts on my life and that of my brothers that almost debilitated us financially and emotionally.
@@agricolaregs I believe you. And good for you and your family to exit them. I prefer the term 'Evil' to any NPD or other psych terms. They choose their behaviour, because they behave differently outside the family. So, true Evil.
Same here, since five years I am no contact with my narc-parents and everything is so much better.
Never before has the USA had to repair or replace virtually every major civil society institution. Every aspect of society has been damaged seriously. Some, such as education, need to be totally remade, from K-12 through the universities. Every government institution is incompetent and not fit for purpose. I could go on for pages. This time is not like times past. In the past, there were institutions that could be relied on. Today, I cannot name one. We are in deep, deep trouble, which means the West is in deep, deep trouble. Leadership? None is evident, anywhere in the West.
We have a mental health problem in my city that might have spread elsewhere -- the monopolization of hospitals. We used to have Conemaugh Hospital and Lee Hospital, and they had to compete for patients. They merged, and the quality started to slip. Then they were bought out by Duke Lifepoint, which is headquartered God only knows where and the quality has gotten so bad that my community mental health clients say that there's no mental health crisis agonizing enough that it's worth checking into that psych ward for help. I feel so helpless when they are in a crisis and the safest place I have to offer them is also that dehumanizing hell hole. They don't get to wear street clothes. They don't even get slippers for their feet.
Patients check in and they aren't given their non-psychiatric medications unless they have somebody on the outside, such as a social worker or family member, to keep track and to call and badger about it. One man's girlfriend had to nag for three days before they started giving him his heart medications. One client wasn't given his seizure meds and he had a seizure so severe he soiled himself. They took him off one of his psych meds cold turkey and he was suffering staggering withdrawal symptoms -- shakes, palpitations, spiked blood pressure, elevated pulse, chest pains. He was in such bad shape when I went to see him on a Friday evening that I called my supervisor and told him, "I don't want to leave Doug there. I'm afraid that he'll have a medical crisis and they won't even notice and he'll end up dead." My supervisor's attitude was yeah, Conemaugh sucks but it's all there is and at least the person is safe (from committing suicide). Cold comfort if they keep Doug from committing suicide by either not giving him his seizure meds so he falls and cracks his head off a table and dies of a brain injury or by putting him through a drug withdrawal that proves fatal to his heart. At least he didn't overdose! O Happy Day!
The hospitals merge like that because it's the only way they can afford to keep up with government regulations and insurance companies. They need Duke Lifepoint because Conemaugh couldn't afford to do it alone and Lee couldn't afford to do it alone and Somerset couldn't afford to do it alone and Meyersedale couldn't afford to do it alone so in a three county area there's nothing to choose from but which building you want to languish in.
When Harvey Milk ran for SF office in the '70s, one of his big issues was getting rid of the dog crap on the streets. How on earth have we fallen so far?
More dogs. Many without a bone.
I’ve never had schizophrenia or delusions, & I have never been arrested, or put in a psychiatric institution. I have however been evaluated by a therapist after an abusive relationship, and treated for situational anxiety, and PTSD. I also have been called crazy for years, because I have been talking about all the things that are now happening that no one could ever even possibly have imagined years ago. I was always called the crazy astrologer, and people just wrote the things off that I said as insane. Calling people crazy for their beliefs, even if you don’t believe that they are possible is a very slippery slope! If those people had been taken seriously that called me crazy, I would’ve been institutionalized, and now those same people are coming to me expressing their disbelief that I was correct for the last decade or more. Astrologers are just interpreters and messengers, but a lot of us also have a psychic ability which is even recognized by the United States government and they’re now declassified remote viewing program. By you saying that people who have delusions, and believe things that you don’t are crazy isn’t just a slippery slope as I was saying, but it also now makes you look crazy, and frankly like someone who doesn’t do their research. There are plenty of conspiracies going on right now, that have nothing to do with conspiracy theory (which is a term that the CIA created after the JFK assassination to discredit anyone who went against the official narrative), that people like you (The interviewee) will probably fail to take the time to actually look into it, and just call people schizophrenic instead. I cannot finish listening to this, because of the things that you have already said.
The fact that the pandemic has created mental health crises all over the world means that plenty of people are going to be diagnosed as insane, schizophrenic, delusional, etc. etc. etc., and some of them are just paying attention to what’s actually happening, while 80% of the population is involved in mass psychosis! When I say mass psychosis, I’m talking about the far left “woke warriors” who have literally lost their goddamn minds!!! They are participating in rhetoric straight out of Hitler‘s playbook, and Stalin‘s era, and it is not acceptable under any circumstances!!!! This is America not communist china, etc etc etc…
The unvaccinated are being vilified, and called crazy because they believe “Misinformation”, which is not what’s really going on!!! During Hitler’s era, he not only had his top doctors involved in human experimentation going on that involved vaccines, just like we are doing now, but he also taught people to tell on their neighbors, and to spy on them before hand so that when they called them in, they could give as much Intel on what they were doing wrong!!! This means that you are going to have millions of people now being called “paranoid” & “delusional”, because they are aware that they’re being watched by their neighbors etc etc etc!!!!
We need to seriously consider how we are treating people in this human race, and stop allowing the government to be involved in our lives medically, as well as telling us what we can and cannot do, as if they are our narcissistic mommy and daddy!!! They are not, and everyone in society needs to stop telling other people what to do with their bodies and minds, because it’s none of their business!!! PERIOD!!!
Ps: just for reference I also live in California where the homeless problem is one of the worst in the United States, and has been my entire life for 44 years. The government here makes money off of the homeless, and therefore has no desire to fix the problem, just like they have no intent to fix the problems that go along with the pandemic, because that is the literal agenda!!! If you had done your research, you would understand that! This is not going to get better with the help of government, and all of these people will be left behind if we do not do something to help them, without insulting their intelligence and calling them crazy!!! Medication might be necessary for a few people, but the number of people that are put on meds is simply to make money for big Pharma and the corporations, as well as the politicians that are in their pockets lined with cash!!!!
Pss: In my experience working with homeless (feeding, clothing, & giving them basic supply’s, as well as helping to find them resources in my area) as well as minoring in psychology at Uni, “Drug addiction” is a direct result of trauma! Trauma is also being inflicted on humanity across the globe with these draconian restrictions, fear mongering, & narcissistic abuse techniques, as well as gaslighting which governments are participating in at this moment, as has all pandemic long!! The United States government in particular is also checking every single box for the use of brainwashing & mind control techniques on the ppl!! Trauma is what we need to address!!
Yes I have to say it was a very male way of looking at things. Women are routinely misdiagnosed, disbelieved, re-victimised by systems of “care” that are not informed by interpersonal violence. Medics, lawyers, policy makers, judges, nurses, police, psychiatrists, psychologists, - none inc journalists and comedians, have been learnt the basics of coercive control, which is not taught on any of their expensive graduate degrees. Really it’s a case again of not getting to root causes. Addiction is a symptom not a cause in many. Mental illness may be a cause but again for a few not the majority. Put the basics in place of safe affordable housing with life tenure, with extra support where needed. Contain the violent and aggressive irrespective of cause and keep them contained and closely monitored if released. Then people have a chance to focus on their own lives rather than the blight of interpersonal violence than is rampant throughout society and destroys generation after generation.
I do agree re the religious roots of Wokeism though - the mass thought reform of younger generations is terrifying and destructive to the fabric of society. And it seems to have been enabled by educational establishments both state and private.
Addicts need free, quality, single sex treatment centres-12 step groups are not safe for women due to being uninformed on interpersonal violence and frequently enabling it -see other comment.
So you think there should be no intervention and let people die a horrible drug addicted death on the streets? Some people do have delusions. It's a fact.
@@behonestwithyourself3718 I never said that!!!!!! Clearly you are reading what I have stated incorrectly, or you are making assumptions which you know what they say about that right????? It makes an ass out of you…..
There are certain people that are sick, do you need help, & may need meds. The problem is that the psychiatric system is completely corrupt, just like all other medical organizations and professions at this point, because when you are rewarded for handing out drugs to ppl, most people abuse that power!!! Big Pharma does big business for a reason, and they are profiting off of people remaining sick no matter what that sickness is!!! Just like how in this current moment we are seeing them make trillions of dollars off of vaccinations, which are being forced upon civilians by their governments, even if they have medical contraindications for taking it, have religious opposition, moral, or ethical ones!!! So now we have a partnership between Big Pharma and governments, which should never be happening!!!!!!!
Also, It has been found that people who gravitate towards careers like the role of a psychologist or psychiatrist are more likely to be narcissistic than the clients they see!!!! So what I am saying is that people are being called crazy when they are not crazy!!!!!! A lot of people are being put on medication that are changing them forever, and not for the better, because they don’t all need the drugs!!!!!!!! Also, if this pandemic was about our health and safety, a lot of programs that were put in place to help the people who actually need it wouldn’t be being put on the back burner because of BS mandates, restrictions, and lock downs!!!!! People literally cannot get the healthcare that they need right now which is insane!!!! People are getting laid off because they want to exercise their right not to get vaccinated, and so there is an extreme shortage of mental health workers right now!!!! Also because of the fear mongering we now have anxiety levels increasing, depression increasing by the day, suicide up dramatically, murder rates spiking around the country, alcohol and drug abuse out of control, domestic violence out of hand etc. etc. etc. etc.
Great & thought provoking show.
As someone on the Conservative/Right wing, I have a gut reaction against Federal funding of programs that aren't explicitly allowed by the Constitution & would much more comfortable with something done on the State level, assuming that the State Constitution has been amended to allow for it. I would like to see a medical account that can only be used for medical purposes given to citizens to choose their needed healthcare. Again my Right wing bias towards competition in the market place.
I think most Right wingers are suspicious of psychologists, because many of them tend to believe in European (French & German) utopianism. Mental Health & the Homeless issue is something that needs to be looked into more. On a side note I find it funny that our closest animal relatives are Chimpanzees & Bonobos, one is a violent tribalist and the other sexual deviants. (^_^)
Michael Shellenberger sounds like the kind of Left wing person that the Right wing can work with to find a solution to problems. We need a sane Left wing & Right wing to work together, because each one sees things that the other misses.
Neoliberal economics left the working class behind. Played a huge part in this situation.
In the eighties I worked in an ancillary post in a psychiatric hospital. There was a spectrum of patients but a large percentage were just lovely simple souls that were entirely ill equipped to live in our society. Then we shut down our hospitals to protect the patients human rights! They were supposed to get sheltered in warden controlled houses funded at the local level. They weren’t and I rapidly started to see them on the streets. There they are preyed upon mercilessly.
I am intrigued to realise that the current fashion for running is probably for the dopamine related drug hit! I wondered why they did it when mostly they look as miserable as sin!
Recent homelessness in UK is also due to evictions from job loss re the covid crisis
Are you sure, what about the ban on evictions
In England, legislation preventing bailiff enforcement of evictions has now expired. This was in place from 17 November 2020 until 31 May 2021. Therefore, orders can now be enforced where the landlord has a valid warrant of possession.10 Dec 2021
Guidance for landlords and tenants - GOV.UK
www.gov.uk › government › publications › corona
Going for a run is a good thing to do if you start to feel anxious - and there are lots of things in society that can trigger anxiety - as running allows you to play out one of the options of the "fight or flight" response. Your body then thinks you are doing something about a perceived danger. The adrenaline is then quickly metabolised and you then feel much better.
23:38 its simple KK. people want responsibility to lie ELSEWHERE. they want a state solution to everything, that's why everything is so politicised. it kinda makes sense given how much everyone has to work now
I think it is tribalism 🧐
Pathological altruism, phony virtue signaling, and weaponized empathy all define the hard core left today. What ever happened to good old fashioned tough love.
Speaking from a UK point of view,in fact as I type Francis is making this very point,(synchronicity), in the mid 1980s Mrs Thatcher closed down all the mental health hospitals,the erstwhile lunatic asylums. Some commentators at the time did point out that the word "asylum" means "place of safety". It was to be Care in the Community in future. Having lived all my life then and to this day in (but not of) the Community I was filled with horror. I knew how caring The Community was. And sure enough in the city I live in those unfortunate people wander around or sit in the main shops area on piles of rags. I know they all have different issues and at different levels but also having had a little experience of this I know those people are hard to deal with,help,interact with and it can be painful and unrewarding to the helper,at least at the worst time.
Locking all mentally ill people up in an institution isn't the answer. I have a lady friend who suffers schizophrenia. Her sister and I both agree that she does much better with her freedom. She cooks well cleans house. She just has delusions but she functions and she's not a looser. She's happy with her freedom. She doesn't do any drugs. She's actually very wise. She has a big heart lot's of empathy and some people have really taken unfair advantage of her. I've had to defend her from abuser's drug addicts and psychopathic narsisist. She's living her life.
I’m for mandatory rehab but why is anyone talking about a pandemic of job insecurity and unemployment?
Great interview. Michael Shellenberger provides sensible insights into the "woke" ideology.
"....Trump is too chaotic to-"
Me, voting for Trump for a third time: "Oh, nooooo...."
Me, voting for Trump to win for a third time* 🤣
Shellenberger is the one to lead us out of this dystopian nightmare. He actually knows of what he speaks and is incredibly intelligent. DJT would be wise to look at him for VP. 🎉
28 min mark... Michael nails it! It's an intentional assault on Order.
Because of the pisspoor vetting procedures for tenants co-living we inadvertently took on a tenant who had mental health issues and a history of criminal violence. She accused a male tenant of threatening her (denied by other female tenants) and 2 days later she tried to kill him (knives) and eventually set fire to the property. We subsequently managed to see her criminal record which showed the same pattern on a consistent 5 monthly cyxle (including attempts on her father's life and his property). If she is not helped and stopped I have no doubt that she will kill someone. She needs help; co-livers need the right to be as safe as possible in their home.
I should add even for the people who are not truly mentally ill and don't have a major addiction problem homelessness can become a way of life, one that is extraordinarily difficult to get out of by yourself. One problem is that an apparatus exists where one is inducted into a subculture that requires that you remain unemployed and a dependent - as an adult - in order to have the necessities of life, That becomes your new identity, you become surrounded by people with the same problem, this becomes your social network, it's very unhealthy, and very difficult to get yourself out of like a bucket of crabs, everyone around you is trying to pull you back in.
Now, maybe if we gave social works a $10k bonus for each homeless person they got hired into a job in the private sector who was able to keep that job for a year. There's an idea.
As a dutchman living in The Netherlands, I pray to God that Dilan will never get close to being a prime minister. She is widely referred to as The Chickenhead here. Currently, she is concerned with climate matters (that should interest you, Michael) and as a PhD in Physics who is also quite well informed about climate science I think she is absolutely clueless about climate.
You can’t talk reason to the Climate Cultists, you have to ask them pointed questions and make them answer until they notice that they sound like a moron. Since most of them aren’t intellectually honest, you can’t treat them as honest interlocutors.
@@M0rmagil They'll just refer to 'The Science' and the (falsely) acclaimed majority vote among scientists, which is common practice among people who never practised science.
@@paulhofman that’s when you ask them which step in the scientific method is the one where you check with the establishment for approval? Is that where Galileo went wrong? 🤔
I love hearing Michael's perspective. He makes sense to me. His books are fantastic.
It's happening all over the world. West coast of Canada is a cesspool now. My sister won't even take her kids to the local park anymore.
Let the kids take her to the park. Problem solved.
Ouch I was with you on IDW until you mentioned Claire. Her and Sam Harris have some soul searching to do.
@Mary Martin what grift? More like he is exposing the grifters.
Spot On….! Wonderful Interview 😊
The last question of the interview was made into a joke but it's an important point: you cannot separate spirituality from the human being. For best o for worst, it is wired into our nature. When you deny spirituality, you end up with a twisted spirituality or religion, such as wokeism. A religion that is insane and irrational because it is always trying to deny that it is a religion so you can't apply the restraining mechanisms that restrain other religions. It would be better to accept reality and plan accordingly.
Yep, everyone is looking for a high priest with a hot line to God.
@Zealadinn I'd add to your salient point that religions often don't like to compete with one another, and this secular one deveoping before us views the old Church as one of its greatest enemies.
@@BlackCrossCrusader I disagree, and personally feel no need for a Godhead. Some people are fine without that safety net.
However, the modern West has shown that MOST people seem incapable of functioning without one, and will grasp at any nonsense to fill the void.
@@ComicGladiator I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me on here, the second sentence of yours is pretty much what I'm implying for the most part.
@@BlackCrossCrusader My first sentence is the disagreement, then the second an agreement.
Progressivism ruins everything it touches
Sorry Mr. Shellenberger but when your society is built below sea level......then that society has to be governed by The Right, that society has to insist upon responsibilities and consequences.
The Netherlands:
1. We work like conservatives
2. We party like animals
3. ???
4. Prosperity
It's alright and I really agree with Shellenberger, but when you guys brought up Maggy Thatcher - the first thing I had to think of her famous line: "There is no such thing as society". She may have fixed a certain emergency but then completely trashed Britain, or you might say allowed others to trash it. I mean, why are you calling for another extreme, isn't Borris bad enough?
Agreed. Like Trump, she is demonized, even fetishized, by the Left, to a crazy degree. She really did do a lot of damage, however.
@@ComicGladiator - Thatcher did some real damage but she also broke the trade unions, which allowed Britain to emerge from the economic funk it had been in since 1945, if not earlier.
What she meant by saying that there is no such thing as society was that we should look after each other and not imagine that there is some 'thing' out there whose responsibility is to sort everything out. The 'thing' out there is us. She was arguing for caring for those around you, taking responsibility yourself.
@@timkeene27 yep. It's telling that the Left can only score points when twisting context and putting words in people's mouths
Yes Thatcher did tremendous damage in turning the UK into a hypercapitalist monetarist culture, an extremely destructive and coarsening descent into crude, ruthless and reductive materialism which wrecked British cultural life and degraded society. She was the wrong kind of 'right wing', a petty mercantile-economic politics of bourgeois self-interest for a 'nation of shopkeepers'.
It’s typhus, not bubonic plague that broke out in Los Angeles and the petty theft limit is 950 bucks in CA, which is crazy high if you want to dissuade criminality.
My mom is schizophrenic and this rings true in some many ways. From my perspective our true problem as a human species is that we want the quick fix instead of honestly evaluating our problems and coming up with solutions that will actually make things better. The right wants to discount homelessness as individual weakness and if they would only work harder that individual would be fine. The left thinks all people that are suffering it is because they are victims therefore there is nothing the individual can do to improve their circumstance. The truth is somewhere in the middle. We first need to honestly evaluate things to identify problems and be will to try to find solutions and the evaluate the effectiveness of that solution.
Homeless are not cause by liberalism... they are attracted to mild or warm climate cities. That's why Chicago only has 4,000 homeless, and Los Angeles has around 60,000.
Does this mean when people say "the worlds gone mad," it's not hyperbole? Good old communism. Don't you just love it?!
Terrific. Scary that Gov of California touted as a possible future President
This is what ignorance looks like. Talking doesn’t treat schizophrenia anti- psychotics and psychosocial interventions do.
I think it's far more compassionate to put people into mandated treatment than leave them on the street. I want people to get better. I also have no tolerance for making the public unsafe
Personally, I agree with Theodore Dalrymple, who showed in his many books (but notably 'Life From The Bottom') that a problem will only grow as long as there is a statefunded industry that is feeding it. It's amazing, really.. (not!).. how at first you have, say, a handful of unwed teenage mothers. This was deemed, once upon a time, as socially unacceptable, and you might argue that that was 'mean' and 'judgemental' against the girls (which is really not the point, since problematic situations are always painful for the people involved), and then it became socially acceptable to be sexually promiscuous, and then girls who didn't have teenage sex were being ridiculed and 'being judgemental against', and look! More unwed teenage mothers. But then, and this is Dalrymple's point, a whole industry emerged where civil servants and social workers found employ 'caring' for the unwed teenage mothers. He even mentions one young girl he knew, who lived with her abusive (single) mother, who was housed and fed by 'the system' and her psycho brother, who was nearly killed by her brother (he slashed her with a broken bottle) and when she tried to flee and police got involved, her mother got angry for 'being disloyal to her brother' and threw the kid out. And the oh so compassionate social workers told her that if she wanted housing and benefits, she would have to get pregnant first.
And do you think that these social workers and civil servants, who keep this machine going, want the problem gone? That would mean they would they'd be out of a job.
Now, I'm sure that in a rational solution, there would be need for social workers, but the way it is now, it's a growth industry, which only makes things worse.
Also, don't put your hope on the Netherlands. We used to be rational, back in the Eighties, but the past thirty years, all Dutch institutions and political parties have been solidly infiltrated by the extreme Left. Woker than Woke.
They are growth industries for sure, but they are much more. They are also very powerful institutions that have the power and reach to social engineer the society.
I really disagree with his assertion of Trump. Trump somehow got people excited enough to listen to politics, and got people opening their eyes to some of the policies out in place. You may disagree with him ideologically but Trump served a purpose as a political figure.
Great chat. Will find this guys other videos.
Watch his talks with Rogan and Jordan Peterson
@@jpfrank4228 thanks will do.
@@mattkile1976 they didn't touch on it much but his stuff on climate change (his book apocalypse never) is much more interesting IMO
Thank you!
Great interview!
What is needed for the dangerous or self-harming mentally ill is the creation of specialist teams consisting of a psych nurse and police or security who are trained in mental illness behaviours, and who are specificay tasked to detain difficult people with a minimum of force. This would be expensive, but would pay for itself in the reduction of shattered lives and families.