I'm engaged to a Japanese woman and we'll be travelling to Japan soon to meet her parents. Her father suggested I watch Shogun and I thought, "oh how nice! He likes history, I like history, he's reaching out to me. This is great" First episode has one of the white guys who arrive in Japan being boiled alive, and now I am very frightened that her father was implying something.
Pro Tip: Japanese are extremely racist, but in a polite manner. They believe the Japanese people superior to all others who they consider barbarians. To this day only a person of full Japanese blood can be a Japanese citizen.
Haha, I’m Japanese and I can tell….like any father around the world he’s sending a message. You do bad things to my daughter you dead.😂 but he should be generous to second you.
What's funny is that is by far the most violent scene in the whole show, I thought it was going to be like that throughout, but it's been pretty muted since then
I think Bill is overlooking a key point: This show isn’t barbaric for the sake of grotesque entertainment, it’s trying to pay homage to the period. I don’t believe most people can appreciate or comprehend how far we’ve come from things like this being normal.
Everyone in Japan was suicidal and murderous during this time? Even historians say that the show exaggerates. They're definitely doing it for grotesque entertainment.
@@Caigga900 A television show uses the stylistic device of exaggeration? Never heard of it...but seriously: The show doesn't depict "everyone" in Japan, but the power struggle of powerful noble families. I don't know who these historians would be, but basically the show is more of a romanticized rendition of the actual events. Now a rather long context and just a tiny excerpt( maybe for som tl;dr l: Oda Nobunaga, the "first unifier of the realm", gained power over the Oda clan by defeating his uncle Oda Nobutomo. His uncle was forced into seppuku( ritual suicide ). Due to his unusual behavior for a feudal lord, his governor Hirata Masahide felt compelled to bend Seppuku to point this out to him. Due to his apparently brutal and improper behavior, his henchman Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed him, forced Nobunaga to seppuku and killed his son. However, he was also beaten and (presumably) killed. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the "second unifier of the empire" and Taikō, enforced a strict separation between peasants and samurai and had Christianity banned, all churches closed and 6 Franciscan monks and 20 converts were crucified in Nagasaki in 1597. He died and Tokugawa Iyeasu seized power as Shōgun. All of Hideyoshi's descendants were killed. This is only an incomplete outline of what was going on in feudal Japan at the time the series is set. If anything, certain things in the series are even "glossed over".
Well Bill’s reaction is valid, he is just trying to get into their shoes and see how it feels like at this current point in time. Sure it would be a normal thing from that time but that’s the point for audience at this point in time to react that this is really grotesque.
Yabushige is the perfect example of a character who is both a reprehensible bastard I wouldn’t trust for a second in real life, AND a compelling character I watched fascinatedly every time he was on screen. Hats off to both the writers and Tadanobu Asano for this character
Pumped for the finale. If a person can deal with subtitles then they’re in for an amazing story. As a fan of old black and white samurai movies this was exactly how to do it. Which also makes me a fan of Kill Bill.
@@MrBuketman The miniseries they did in the 80’s, didn’t use subtitles for most of the Japanese. They show specific things, her and there, but most of it is from the perspective of how he doesn’t understand them, and relies on interpreters. It worlds, but because of censorship then, they couldn’t tell it the same. It’s more about the romance, after a certain point, but it’s worth checking out, if you like the show. They keep more to the book, and having to pay attention to the interactions, because there’s no subtitles, ended up teaching me several words, like in greetings and other common expressions, that are interpreted by Mariko. There’s a much better relationship between Blackthorne and Toranaga as well.
The 1980 series was aimed solely at a mainstream American audience. At that time, Americans did not know what Japan was like during the Azuchi Momoyama => Edo era. Today with the internet everyone has a more precise idea of what Japan in 1600 may looked like and the 2024 serie is intended for the whole world.
@@johng6565 "This version is much more authentic to the period" - maybe. I'm not an expert. Except I notice that in this version everyone is speaking english, instead of spanish, portuguese or latin. "and faithful to the source material" - no. The pacing is all rushed, scenes are moved around, plots are cut and everyone's intelligence is nerfed. This has great production values and is a great show, but it is not closer to the source material than the original.
Humans can be exceptionally brutal. The past was full of it. It is hard to imagine, with us living in our skyscrapers and watching TikToks. But the past is horrific, and we can get there again. It's still in us.
truth, and if all the things from all cultures and corners of the world, people would be appalled because they tend to think "not my people, or not in my country." Yeah, no, you're wrong, all people
It's just a reflection of how brutal Japanese culture was in the feudal era and how jaded they were in the face of death, especially where honor was concerned.
The problem with the vasall that ended up killing himself and his baby wasn't that he offended his boss, it was that he offended the enemy sitting opposite of his boss. Mariko touches on it in a later episode when she explains it to Blackthorne: "Something had to be done to avoid a bigger blood bath". Obviously I'm not defending the decision, it is horrific to modern sensibilities. My only point is there is a logic behind the horror. And that is one of the things this show succeeds so incredibly well with: We come away with a deeper understanding and empathy for these people, whose culture is so opaque and alien to us. That is master storytelling.
My nephea work on this as the the personal driver for the producer. We watched the series together and he had all these cool little behind the scenes stories. It was like like having an interactive special commentary i could refer to after each episode.
@@5GTrevorright? I was like how many hours does it take to realize you will inevitably die so you might as well fill your lungs with water before it gets too hot 💀 poor bastard
Bill Burr "I gave up at the point they boiled a guy" - And also "It's an amazing fucking series". For all the reasons Bill "Appears" to hate the series are reasons I love it. And I'm a huge fan of BillBurr (Like Bilbo).
And the best part is that it is historical accurate for that time period. You think it's fantasy stuff like in GOT but no. Cruel torture and execution like that do happen and it's not shy to show it.
@@wtfuchickenhead Yes! It has such a unique tone. It bounces from action to comedy to moments that are surprisingly emotional. Burly Dee Billiams, I know you have to be reading this, you would love Mr. Inbetween
The book that this series is based upon is one of the greatest historical fiction novels of all time. So much of what happens in the story can't be put on screen because it takes place in the characters' heads. Example: two daimyos (warlords) are having a meeting and they are painfully polite and proper with each other, while inside they are in turmoil, trying to figure out how to beat each other, always planning, always looking for ways to stab each other in the back. It's just a magnificent novel. The Hulu series is beautiful and very well made, but to really appreciate the story you just have to immerse yourself in the novel. You won't be disappointed if you do.
I think what makes Bill so great as a comedian is in his head he's always taking step back and just watching shit unfold and describes it out loud. He does that here and the argument he had with Bill Maher over the college protests is another great example of him doing that.
The show is great. Every character always wanting to kill them self all the time is kinda annoying but maybe people were like that I have no idea. Here's hoping they don't royally fuck up the ending tomorrow.
In the book, Fujiko is introduced shortly after the Samurai’s fatal outburst at Ishido’s insults. She is described as a “recently widowed samurai,” so the reader assumes that it was her husband who almost killed Ishido. Only in the final chapters is it revealed that her husband was actually the samurai who fell into the pit when Blackthorne refused to sacrifice one of his sailors to a boiling death. It makes her loyalty to Toranaga and service to Blackthorne as a samurai that much more meaningful. Have not seen the new series, but it sounds almost as great as the source material.
One of the greatest shows of the last 25 years (and I've watched the original series in the early 80s, which was already quite an experience, tho not sure if it still holds up, especially compared to the 2024 series).
I watched the original version a few weeks ago and am watching this now. The original was shot in Japan, and the newer version was shot in British Columbia-very noticeable if you have lived in Japan. The original is better acted for certain characters like Yabu, Mariko, Buntaro, and a few others. In the original, their gestures, mannerisms, displays of emotions, and mindsets are entirely Japanese. In the newer version, these characters, at times, are not. very Japanese. Overall, it is a good series.
Apparently Bill Burr didn't see the original Shogun either, which shocked the hell out of people. And that was 40 years ago, when people were more sensitive to boiling people. James clavell . The author of novel probably had a bit more reality in his Life to draw on. He was a pow in Singapore's Changi prison, as a prisoner of the emperor of Japan. " Clavell did not talk about his wartime experiences with anyone, even his wife, for 15 years after the war. For a time he carried a can of sardines in his pocket at all times and fought an urge to forage for food in rubbish bins. He also experienced bad dreams and a nervous stomach kept him awake at night.[
I'm always shocked at the amount of people who aren't aware of the 1980 miniseries or the book. Chamberlain and Mifune put in stellar performances in that movie. It had its campy moments, but it was still amazing for its time. As for the book, I understand Clavell was enormously popular in the '70s, which prompted the creation of the miniseries in the first place. Nowadays, his work seems to have taken somewhat of a backseat and I am only now realizing it, when discussing the new series with people.
Quite an opening episode, yet the series has many other great ones. Quite a breath of fresh air, a really great series. A one that will not have a second season for it was designed to be only one.
As clearly evidenced by several scenes throughout the book. Two of the more haunting ones are the "urinating" scene and the "pheasant" scene. The first was handled better in the book and in the 1980 miniseries, in my opinion: when Blackthorne bursts out "I piss on you and your whole country" and insists that the priest translate it to Omi, to which the latter promptly proceeds to urinate on Blackthorne. The second came when Blackthorne exaggeratedly ordered the villagers to not touch the pheasant, resulting in his gardener "taking one for the team" by getting rid of the bird and being put to death for his transgression. In both instances, Blackthorne failed to understand the weight of his words and how much they mean in Japanese society.
It was unit 731 and I agree but believe it or not almost everything we know now about frost bite and hypothermia is because of the experiments that unit 731 did I’m not condoning what they did they were still monsters just stating a fact.
They do. “Man Behind the Sun” (1988). I think it has some other name too, but it’s all about Unit 731, and it is hard to watch. Unless I fell for a joke and you already knew about it.
'This is what you watch? That's entertaining to you?' So sad that art has to be constantly 'entertaining' to people in order for them to get anything out of it. What if I told you that art can actually make you think, self-reflect, and appreciate what you have? What if I told you that art isn't always about 'amusement' ?
the thinking and self reflecting part is separate from being entertained by something. thats part of what hes talking about when he uses the word entertaining. amd explicit violence is mot necessarry to acheive that
So basically Burr is saying that if you watch Shogun then you are "into" what the character do to people. I hope he has never seen Pulp Fiction, or really any other western film.
The criticisms Bill voiced are about Japanese society at that time (and to today in some respects), but it doesn't detract from how fascinating and accurate the series is at presenting that culture, with excellent performances, costumes, set design, etc. Definitely worth a watch.
Leave it to Bill Burr for all the important cultural, historical, and writing aspects to go over his head. Instead he'a stuck on the dumbest sh-it...which even the point of that scene goes over his head. Oh man...that cracks me up.
One of the best shows since Westworld season 1 (that went to $hit in later seasons). Showrunner is the guy that wrote Top Gun: Maverick. Keeping it real in 2024 is hard, so I give them full props
The screaming as he boiled gave Tadanobu Asano some satisfying deliverance. Bill Bur is such a simplistic individual who just doesn’t understand this very complicated movie. Interestingly Tadanobu Asano was the corner stone of this Shogun movie.
@@skuo118 Oh, thank you, yet to be released in Australia. Sounds alright “Ichi is a blind entertainer that travels the countryside with her traditional Japanese guitar and walking stick. She’s in search for the kind man that brought her up as a child, but because of her beauty she encounters problems every step of the way. Fortunately for Ichi, she is also a gifted swordswoman and carries a lethal blade within her walking stick.”
@@leesydneyharry7958 Ichi the Killer (Japanese: 殺し屋１, romanized: Koroshiya Ichi, lit. 'Hitman One') is a 2001 Japanese horror yakuza film directed by Takashi Miike, written by Sakichi Sato, and starring Tadanobu Asano and Nao Omori. Based on Hideo Yamamoto's manga series of the same name, its plot follows a psychologically damaged man who is manipulated into assaulting or killing rival faction members of feuding yakuza gangs while being pursued by a sadomasochistic enforcer. The film has garnered controversy due to its graphic depictions of violence and cruelty, and has been banned in several countries.
I was a fan of the book and the original miniseries, and am really enjoying this new version. My only real issue with is Cosmo Jarvis' constant imitation of Richard Burton, which gets distracting.
Surly he watched original in the 80s with Richard Chamberlain, why such surprise? I read somewhere that Japan was no different and the whole honor code comes from a short period of peace. Makes sense human nature is the same everywhere. The biggest difference is that Japan is a extremely closed country. Island and on top of that poor with resources constantly threaten by much bigger China.
What is the fuckin point of announcing that you're the first to comment? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. We get it, your life is meaningless and this is the only bit of joy you can achieve in your life
As a Dutchman I was surprised how accurate the Fluyt ship was portrayed. They're usually just any old threemaster and no one really cares. But in this it was the real deal, and the crew and the captain were all spot on calvinistic old skool Dutch. Just dirt and grime all over them from this perilous journey. Very well done.
The most annoying thing about the show is the female character trying to kill herself multiple time every episode and it's the English guy's full time job to not let it happen. I think it's inspired by today's western females.
Did you watch the show, and realize why she wants to commit seppuku? They killed her entire family, and only left her alive, and are forcing her to live. Besides that almost every episode some dude is actually committing seppuku, almost committing seppuku, or asking if they should!
@@alexcoyg3281 Just an example of how women were treated in Japan back then. Like slaves. She wanted to be free more than to live. Can you blame her? Her husband beat her regularly.
I was watching this with my wife and she tapped out at that scene too. I watched the whole thing and thought it was really well done. I look forward to season 2 where ol’ Billy Boston shows up to feudal Japan
Amazing story, pacing and nuanced characters. Not a single episode wasted/pandered for DEI and we get 10 full episodes of meaning which beautifully conveys life, death, honor and loyalty. Even the women who are ruthless are still feminine and respected while being captivating the whole time. A great show that entertains and educates at the same time.
As sad as the ending was, for me, the 1980 ending was more gut-wrenching. Although narrating characters' thoughts is considered corny nowadays, hearing Toranaga's inner monologue about how he would destroy any ship Blackthorne will ever build and how he was destined to never leave Japan had way more impact on me than how the modern adaptation handled it. Having Toranaga casually mention it to Yabushige, almost as a joke or a throwaway line made it less shocking to me. Especially since the original delivered it through the booming voice of Orson Welles. Finally, in the modern verison. Toranaga says "I believe his destiny is to never leave Japan", whereas in the 1980 version he specifically states it as fact, which gives it way more finality and gravitas.
I'm engaged to a Japanese woman and we'll be travelling to Japan soon to meet her parents. Her father suggested I watch Shogun and I thought, "oh how nice! He likes history, I like history, he's reaching out to me. This is great"
First episode has one of the white guys who arrive in Japan being boiled alive, and now I am very frightened that her father was implying something.
😂😂😂😂😂
He’s secretly a 4chan member and trolling you
Pro Tip: Japanese are extremely racist, but in a polite manner. They believe the Japanese people superior to all others who they consider barbarians. To this day only a person of full Japanese blood can be a Japanese citizen.
Lmfao
Haha, I’m Japanese and I can tell….like any father around the world he’s sending a message. You do bad things to my daughter you dead.😂 but he should be generous to second you.
The most hilarious thing about this is that Bill's perspective is exactly what i imagine went through Blackthorne's head while he witnessed all this
He didn't witness it. He heard about it the next day
Lmaooo imagining 1500s Bill Burr explaining his summer being held captive by the Japanese
@@CoachCarter102imagine the records which document the first time the Japs cast eyes upon ol' freckles. Id imagine he would be named ginger spice!
@@TheBigKaiju everyone in this village heard about it right away.
@@TheBigKaiju what are you talking about? He heard the screaming all night long, he didn't see it but he obviously heard him being boiled alive
What's funny is that is by far the most violent scene in the whole show, I thought it was going to be like that throughout, but it's been pretty muted since then
Yeah I thought it would be way more brutal
Clearly you haven’t gotten to the cannon testing episode….
@@d3loused I've watched every episode. That scene doesn't come close to seeing someone slowly boiled alive.
Agreed … canon was a close 2nd
Thanks for this. Not gonna waste my time
I think Bill is overlooking a key point: This show isn’t barbaric for the sake of grotesque entertainment, it’s trying to pay homage to the period. I don’t believe most people can appreciate or comprehend how far we’ve come from things like this being normal.
Really? You really believe that? _Unit 731._ Let me know what you think after that.
Everyone in Japan was suicidal and murderous during this time? Even historians say that the show exaggerates. They're definitely doing it for grotesque entertainment.
@@Caigga900 A television show uses the stylistic device of exaggeration? Never heard of it...but seriously:
The show doesn't depict "everyone" in Japan, but the power struggle of powerful noble families.
I don't know who these historians would be, but basically the show is more of a romanticized rendition of the actual events.
Now a rather long context and just a tiny excerpt( maybe for som tl;dr l:
Oda Nobunaga, the "first unifier of the realm", gained power over the Oda clan by defeating his uncle Oda Nobutomo. His uncle was forced into seppuku( ritual suicide ).
Due to his unusual behavior for a feudal lord, his governor Hirata Masahide felt compelled to bend Seppuku to point this out to him. Due to his apparently brutal and improper behavior, his henchman Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed him, forced Nobunaga to seppuku and killed his son.
However, he was also beaten and (presumably) killed.
Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the "second unifier of the empire" and Taikō, enforced a strict separation between peasants and samurai and had Christianity banned, all churches closed and 6 Franciscan monks and 20 converts were crucified in Nagasaki in 1597.
He died and Tokugawa Iyeasu seized power as Shōgun.
All of Hideyoshi's descendants were killed.
This is only an incomplete outline of what was going on in feudal Japan at the time the series is set.
If anything, certain things in the series are even "glossed over".
Well Bill’s reaction is valid, he is just trying to get into their shoes and see how it feels like at this current point in time. Sure it would be a normal thing from that time but that’s the point for audience at this point in time to react that this is really grotesque.
lets hope there wont be any show about the witch hunting, torturing and mutilating in Europe... in the name of "God" of course
The funny thing is by the end of the series you like the guy who boiled the man.
Yabushige is the perfect example of a character who is both a reprehensible bastard I wouldn’t trust for a second in real life, AND a compelling character I watched fascinatedly every time he was on screen. Hats off to both the writers and Tadanobu Asano for this character
... Well that makes one of us!
Nooo haha, no I didn't. Several times I said "that yabusige is a real psychopath". Not to mention he betrays my beloved Toranaga.
Love or hate Yabushige, he was amazing value. He gave some good laughs, too
The grunting exchanges with Blackthorne later on, lol
Best TV show of the year
Pumped for the finale. If a person can deal with subtitles then they’re in for an amazing story. As a fan of old black and white samurai movies this was exactly how to do it. Which also makes me a fan of Kill Bill.
@@MrBuketman
The miniseries they did in the 80’s, didn’t use subtitles for most of the Japanese.
They show specific things, her and there, but most of it is from the perspective of how he doesn’t understand them, and relies on interpreters.
It worlds, but because of censorship then, they couldn’t tell it the same. It’s more about the romance, after a certain point, but it’s worth checking out, if you like the show.
They keep more to the book, and having to pay attention to the interactions, because there’s no subtitles, ended up teaching me several words, like in greetings and other common expressions, that are interpreted by Mariko.
There’s a much better relationship between Blackthorne and Toranaga as well.
Underwhelming
Agreed
@@brandondavenport562 What and why? What more do you want?
One of the greatest historical dramas I’ve seen in a while… or ever.
So far this seems better than the original and they even had superstar actor Toshiro Mifune.
The 1980 series was aimed solely at a mainstream American audience. At that time, Americans did not know what Japan was like during the Azuchi Momoyama => Edo era. Today with the internet everyone has a more precise idea of what Japan in 1600 may looked like and the 2024 serie is intended for the whole world.
Yup, it's up there with Rome, which is high praise indeed.
@@johng6565 "This version is much more authentic to the period" - maybe. I'm not an expert. Except I notice that in this version everyone is speaking english, instead of spanish, portuguese or latin.
"and faithful to the source material" - no. The pacing is all rushed, scenes are moved around, plots are cut and everyone's intelligence is nerfed.
This has great production values and is a great show, but it is not closer to the source material than the original.
@@jeronimo196lol sOuRcE mAtErIal
Most people are never prepared for how cut throat life used be. Really makes you realize how easy we all have it.
Humans can be exceptionally brutal. The past was full of it. It is hard to imagine, with us living in our skyscrapers and watching TikToks. But the past is horrific, and we can get there again. It's still in us.
@@chromatic2006 most definitely and it won’t ever leave us.
truth, and if all the things from all cultures and corners of the world, people would be appalled because they tend to think "not my people, or not in my country." Yeah, no, you're wrong, all people
That’s not life, that’s martial law, war, and it’s still like that in places that are active war zones or civil war
Depends where you live
Being a dad has changed Bill. 😂
yes
it has made him weak
@@self-transforming_machine-elf Oh, you know this guy must be real popular with the ladies. 🤣
@@self-transforming_machine-elf Calm down Mr. Badass
he's sensitive ,,,
@@self-transforming_machine-elf I would say his lefty wife with TDS is the bigger problem.
That scene of Buntaro fighting at the harbour to help them escape and then bowing to them as their sailing away. Shit had me in tears.
Buntaro's return was like "holy shit, he actually made it?!?"
Dude was an absolute boss
Buntaro returning had me thinking he had to be a traitor and made a deal to live.
@@theagent578nah he's just him
Buntaro is such a loser!
Dude was a horrible father but damn, he was as brave as they come.
Different values of honor, respect, self control, self discipline, cultural differences and the conflicts between those grey lines. I enjoy the show
It's just a reflection of how brutal Japanese culture was in the feudal era and how jaded they were in the face of death, especially where honor was concerned.
It seems that for east asia for atleast millenia thay didn't have buggy man persay, they had Japanese
Boiling as execution was done in Europe as well, especially in German states
Incredible series. Utterly incredible. The last two episodes had me in tears so often.
Dude when he's letting go of the string. Scenes like that are usually cliché but I was shedding tears right there.
Can't wait for Bill to watch Fallout and say the Ghoul is the best character by a mile😂
Can you imagine Bill Burr as a ghoul? 😂
@@jayhernandez9395i can picture him as a mierlurk 😂
He just needs red paint
the Ghoul is basically the best character though
@@Dell-ol6hb Yeah no contest. Not surprising though, I don't think I've ever seen Walton Goggins in a bad role.
The problem with the vasall that ended up killing himself and his baby wasn't that he offended his boss, it was that he offended the enemy sitting opposite of his boss. Mariko touches on it in a later episode when she explains it to Blackthorne: "Something had to be done to avoid a bigger blood bath". Obviously I'm not defending the decision, it is horrific to modern sensibilities. My only point is there is a logic behind the horror. And that is one of the things this show succeeds so incredibly well with: We come away with a deeper understanding and empathy for these people, whose culture is so opaque and alien to us. That is master storytelling.
In the book, he boiled him alive because he was a sadist and got off on that stuff. Seriously, the book is amazing
In the show as well. Yabu is not all there. He is obsessed with death.
no shit
They say that he did it for that reason in the show as well.
@@DMG380 Writing wills is his favorite pastime lol
The TV show hints at that as well. "My special way." "My master is obsessed with death"
Bill, the man killed himself and his baby. His wife, Fuji, becames a great character in future episodes. She was awesome
Hi this is Bill, that's totally amazing...I love it
Fuji best nun. Best girl.
I have to admit, I fell a bit in love with Fuji ❤️🩹
Yeah, Bill. the history of humanity is brutal and what you watched is nothing compared to the real thing.
You’re a tool.
Bro he knows… he’s gotta put an ignorant American take on it for comedy
In the shows defense, my boss makes his employees kill themselves and end their lines when we mess up. I work for Amazon
Untrue: Amazon lines never end.
I thought you were going to say Tesla
I had to kill my son because I didn’t log a package correctly. Completely understandable, I brought dishonor onto house Bezos and that’s unforgivable!
Best show FX has put out since Louie
The Bear
The hell is Louie
The Bear and Snowfall
The bear??
i dunno if its touching snowfall...im not sure people were tuned into hulu prior honestly. after liek 2nd 3rd season the rating shot up
.. I was kind of shocked when the boss said 'yah, that's the right move here'...😂🤣🙂
Bill kinda misunderstood what really happened, but the way he describes it is hilarious lol.
The earthquake episode was my favorite. Ive never seen an earthquake done so well and frighteningly.
It was BS how Blackthorne found Kenji/Scorpion so quickly though
@SuperPeterok well anything written by man and not nature is gonna be technically unreal.
@SuperPeterok well anything written by man and not nature is gonna be technically unreal.
My nephea work on this as the the personal driver for the producer. We watched the series together and he had all these cool little behind the scenes stories. It was like like having an interactive special commentary i could refer to after each episode.
Stop lying to yourself on RUclips
the boiling scene is waaaay worse in the book lol.
If I recall corectly he boiled for 3 days.
@@CosmicEcho-c9d Wholesome...
@@CosmicEcho-c9d damn... i'd try to drown or something before that
Didn't Yabushige had a erection in the books listening to the man's scream?
@@5GTrevorright? I was like how many hours does it take to realize you will inevitably die so you might as well fill your lungs with water before it gets too hot 💀 poor bastard
This show is awesome
Best series playing right now
Amazing show. It's just as good as the first version and, to most extent, even better. I want the books now.
Bill would love _Blue Eye Samurai,_ and I can't recommend it enough.
Bill will watch a pilot of anything and then tap out. He just goes right back to espn.
Blue Eye Samurai!?... That's a good show, looking forward to Season 2.
The season finale ruined it imo.
I’m an adult why should I watch a cartoon? Seriously ? And I love movies.
@@Njbear7453 The medium is animation, but it's an adult story.
Bill Burr "I gave up at the point they boiled a guy" - And also "It's an amazing fucking series". For all the reasons Bill "Appears" to hate the series are reasons I love it. And I'm a huge fan of BillBurr (Like Bilbo).
Nice! Bill Burr review on Shogun. Love it! 😂 keep em coming
And the best part is that it is historical accurate for that time period. You think it's fantasy stuff like in GOT but no. Cruel torture and execution like that do happen and it's not shy to show it.
This show captivated me as a boy, years later i read the book, amazing. I might have to get Hulu.
Now let's get a series on the peasant revolt in Hungary in 1514, György Dósza now that is a grotesque torture scenario Hulu can get behind.
Best show of the year
"its an amazing god damn series, if you're into that shit!" I laughed so hard 😂
Mr. Inbetween. Best show on Hulu
run.
Mr. Inbetween is one of the greatest shows I’ve ever watched, it’s short and sweet also.
100%
@@wtfuchickenhead Yes! It has such a unique tone. It bounces from action to comedy to moments that are surprisingly emotional. Burly Dee Billiams, I know you have to be reading this, you would love Mr. Inbetween
@@mrsusan9294 I go back and watch that scene everytime it pops into my head, probably my favorite ending scene to any show ever.
The book that this series is based upon is one of the greatest historical fiction novels of all time. So much of what happens in the story can't be put on screen because it takes place in the characters' heads. Example: two daimyos (warlords) are having a meeting and they are painfully polite and proper with each other, while inside they are in turmoil, trying to figure out how to beat each other, always planning, always looking for ways to stab each other in the back. It's just a magnificent novel. The Hulu series is beautiful and very well made, but to really appreciate the story you just have to immerse yourself in the novel. You won't be disappointed if you do.
The book, isn’t necessarily a work of fiction. It’s based on William Adams, a real life Englishman who became an honoured samurai of Japan.
Though some parts of it are definitely added for effect.
It is a masterpiece...
Great show, one pf the best last 10 years.
Keep watching. Not every episode is so intense
This was THE best show I’ve watched probably since Mindhunters on Netflix! Amazing!!!
It goes on even longer in the books, like 15-20 pages, multiple chapters 😂
Mariko started my Yellow Fever up again. I'm sick af now. thanks.
Same cough cough cough
for real!!
Bruh lmao. But yeah, i'm seriously in love with Anna Sawai.
A gentleman of taste
Same
Shogun just set the benchmark for historical epic, loved it, was waiting for a series like that for a while.
Great show.
"There's a level of dedication you don't see everyday at the workplace" 😂
Imagine Bill as a samurai
"Ahhhhhhh! Awwww my gawddddd! Sir I will chop you in half!"
I think what makes Bill so great as a comedian is in his head he's always taking step back and just watching shit unfold and describes it out loud. He does that here and the argument he had with Bill Maher over the college protests is another great example of him doing that.
The actor (or voice actor) did an amazing job. Those screams man... they stuck with you.
I hope this show wins all the awards!! So freakin good.
The show is great. Every character always wanting to kill them self all the time is kinda annoying but maybe people were like that I have no idea. Here's hoping they don't royally fuck up the ending tomorrow.
In the book, Fujiko is introduced shortly after the Samurai’s fatal outburst at Ishido’s insults. She is described as a “recently widowed samurai,” so the reader assumes that it was her husband who almost killed Ishido.
Only in the final chapters is it revealed that her husband was actually the samurai who fell into the pit when Blackthorne refused to sacrifice one of his sailors to a boiling death. It makes her loyalty to Toranaga and service to Blackthorne as a samurai that much more meaningful.
Have not seen the new series, but it sounds almost as great as the source material.
I love this show.
Bill burr giving respect to anything means that it's automatically amazing
One of the greatest shows of the last 25 years (and I've watched the original series in the early 80s, which was already quite an experience, tho not sure if it still holds up, especially compared to the 2024 series).
I watched the original version a few weeks ago and am watching this now. The original was shot in Japan, and the newer version was shot in British Columbia-very noticeable if you have lived in Japan. The original is better acted for certain characters like Yabu, Mariko, Buntaro, and a few others. In the original, their gestures, mannerisms, displays of emotions, and mindsets are entirely Japanese. In the newer version, these characters, at times, are not. very Japanese. Overall, it is a good series.
@@jasonmoser8957do you know where I can find the original show ?
@@jasonmoser8957is it available on physical media ?
My friend plays Blackthorne, he’s also a musician and director
Apparently Bill Burr didn't see the original Shogun either, which shocked the hell out of people.
And that was 40 years ago, when people were more sensitive to boiling people.
James clavell . The author of novel probably had a bit more reality in his Life to draw on.
He was a pow in Singapore's Changi prison, as a prisoner of the emperor of Japan.
" Clavell did not talk about his wartime experiences with anyone, even his wife, for 15 years after the war. For a time he carried a can of sardines in his pocket at all times and fought an urge to forage for food in rubbish bins. He also experienced bad dreams and a nervous stomach kept him awake at night.[
I'm always shocked at the amount of people who aren't aware of the 1980 miniseries or the book. Chamberlain and Mifune put in stellar performances in that movie. It had its campy moments, but it was still amazing for its time. As for the book, I understand Clavell was enormously popular in the '70s, which prompted the creation of the miniseries in the first place. Nowadays, his work seems to have taken somewhat of a backseat and I am only now realizing it, when discussing the new series with people.
Quite an opening episode, yet the series has many other great ones. Quite a breath of fresh air, a really great series. A one that will not have a second season for it was designed to be only one.
That was the culture back in the day. Words had weight…
As clearly evidenced by several scenes throughout the book. Two of the more haunting ones are the "urinating" scene and the "pheasant" scene. The first was handled better in the book and in the 1980 miniseries, in my opinion: when Blackthorne bursts out "I piss on you and your whole country" and insists that the priest translate it to Omi, to which the latter promptly proceeds to urinate on Blackthorne.
The second came when Blackthorne exaggeratedly ordered the villagers to not touch the pheasant, resulting in his gardener "taking one for the team" by getting rid of the bird and being put to death for his transgression.
In both instances, Blackthorne failed to understand the weight of his words and how much they mean in Japanese society.
Great show. Loved it and the 80s version as well.
One day we'll get a Unit 137 show/movie, and that's where the rubber meets the road.
It was unit 731 and I agree but believe it or not almost everything we know now about frost bite and hypothermia is because of the experiments that unit 731 did I’m not condoning what they did they were still monsters just stating a fact.
They do. “Man Behind the Sun” (1988). I think it has some other name too, but it’s all about Unit 731, and it is hard to watch. Unless I fell for a joke and you already knew about it.
Yeah. Look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment carried out on black men in the US between 1932 and 1972, before you get on your moral high horse.
If anyone makes that show, someone will get knifed over it. Some parts of Japan never fully lost the war.
This show just got better and better!! Great stuff🤗🤗
'This is what you watch? That's entertaining to you?' So sad that art has to be constantly 'entertaining' to people in order for them to get anything out of it. What if I told you that art can actually make you think, self-reflect, and appreciate what you have? What if I told you that art isn't always about 'amusement' ?
the thinking and self reflecting part is separate from being entertained by something. thats part of what hes talking about when he uses the word entertaining. amd explicit violence is mot necessarry to acheive that
i mean isnt real life scary amd violent enough that you dont want to spend your leisure time thinking about it even more?
Bill burr is very out of touch these days
lololol thank you for adding Mr sparkla
So basically Burr is saying that if you watch Shogun then you are "into" what the character do to people. I hope he has never seen Pulp Fiction, or really any other western film.
Nia succeeded in turning Bill into her
Shogun is a Masterpiece!!
In the book, all the saliors are traumatized by the boiling and desend into madness. He ends up blinded.
Who ends up blinded?
he survived in the books?
Best show in years! We need more!
I would have thought you would have liked the show, you have the same haircut as the actors
The criticisms Bill voiced are about Japanese society at that time (and to today in some respects), but it doesn't detract from how fascinating and accurate the series is at presenting that culture, with excellent performances, costumes, set design, etc. Definitely worth a watch.
Leave it to Bill Burr for all the important cultural, historical, and writing aspects to go over his head. Instead he'a stuck on the dumbest sh-it...which even the point of that scene goes over his head. Oh man...that cracks me up.
I would totally watch him review shows
One of the best shows since Westworld season 1 (that went to $hit in later seasons). Showrunner is the guy that wrote Top Gun: Maverick. Keeping it real in 2024 is hard, so I give them full props
"That's like your opinion, dude.".#WestworldGotBetter
One of my favorite shows so far
The screaming as he boiled gave Tadanobu Asano some satisfying deliverance. Bill Bur is such a simplistic individual who just doesn’t understand this very complicated movie. Interestingly Tadanobu Asano was the corner stone of this Shogun movie.
oh Wow he's the zipper mouth in Ichi the Killer!
@@skuo118 Oh, thank you, yet to be released in Australia. Sounds alright “Ichi is a blind entertainer that travels the countryside with her traditional Japanese guitar and walking stick. She’s in search for the kind man that brought her up as a child, but because of her beauty she encounters problems every step of the way. Fortunately for Ichi, she is also a gifted swordswoman and carries a lethal blade within her walking stick.”
@@leesydneyharry7958 Ichi the Killer (Japanese: 殺し屋１, romanized: Koroshiya Ichi, lit. 'Hitman One') is a 2001 Japanese horror yakuza film directed by Takashi Miike, written by Sakichi Sato, and starring Tadanobu Asano and Nao Omori. Based on Hideo Yamamoto's manga series of the same name, its plot follows a psychologically damaged man who is manipulated into assaulting or killing rival faction members of feuding yakuza gangs while being pursued by a sadomasochistic enforcer.
The film has garnered controversy due to its graphic depictions of violence and cruelty, and has been banned in several countries.
Liked for the top-notch editing. It compliments Bill's words perfectly
I was a fan of the book and the original miniseries, and am really enjoying this new version. My only real issue with is Cosmo Jarvis' constant imitation of Richard Burton, which gets distracting.
Have you read the other books by Clavell? I only read Shogun, it was awsome but I don't know about the others.
@@leopercara3477Noble House is the best in the series. 1960s Hong Kong as a Cold War chessboard
People real find weird specific shit to be bothered about.
@@leopercara3477 I read (and loved) Tai Pan, King Rat and Noble House.
@@sh987 Cool. I'll give them a go.
Quite simply the best series I've ever watched.
The people back in the day really dedicated their entire life and identity to a cause, it’s both admirable and horrifying
People _still_ do that
Honor / pride
1:44 made me laugh so hard
Surly he watched original in the 80s with Richard Chamberlain, why such surprise? I read somewhere that Japan was no different and the whole honor code comes from a short period of peace. Makes sense human nature is the same everywhere. The biggest difference is that Japan is a extremely closed country. Island and on top of that poor with resources constantly threaten by much bigger China.
No wonder the Japanese went to town in Nanjing.
Bill Burr is the kind of man who taps out after a single wasabi pea.
Bill is the literal definition of a snowflake lol
Hardly
@@Einomar bruh always complains and acts snowflake. He is loud mouth for sure.
I hope Bill get back to it at some point. It's worth the pain. Incredible show. The last episode broke me.
Horrible take by Bill. Shogun is the best...
Novel was published in 1975. This is the second film version. James Clavell wrote several more novels in this series.
I refuse to watch new shows, I'll wait for it to end.
In my experience, most new shows go to sheeit at the end.
It just ended today...
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX End end, or there is a season 2?
@@deadlyrobot5179 they've said there are no plans for a season 2
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX Good, I'ma go ahead and watch it.
2:00 he was going to say "enjoy" lol
First! Bill burr is Awesome
What is the fuckin point of announcing that you're the first to comment? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.
We get it, your life is meaningless and this is the only bit of joy you can achieve in your life
Billy blue ball is getting old if he doesn’t get Shogun lol
"I'm first to comment" is what every virgin says on the internet
NOBODY cares if you're first to comment. It's such a pathetic thing to brag about
This came outta nowhere for me, amazing show.
And then came the atom bomb and welcome to the first world.
Remember they attacked us unprovoked at Pearl Harbor.
As a Dutchman I was surprised how accurate the Fluyt ship was portrayed. They're usually just any old threemaster and no one really cares. But in this it was the real deal, and the crew and the captain were all spot on calvinistic old skool Dutch. Just dirt and grime all over them from this perilous journey. Very well done.
The most annoying thing about the show is the female character trying to kill herself multiple time every episode and it's the English guy's full time job to not let it happen. I think it's inspired by today's western females.
Women are very dramatic all over the world, some of them pretend to be chill, but its their nature to always stir things up to make life great😂
Did you watch the show, and realize why she wants to commit seppuku? They killed her entire family, and only left her alive, and are forcing her to live. Besides that almost every episode some dude is actually committing seppuku, almost committing seppuku, or asking if they should!
@@TChalla616 yes she is overreacting big time
@@alexcoyg3281 Just an example of how women were treated in Japan back then. Like slaves. She wanted to be free more than to live. Can you blame her? Her husband beat her regularly.
@@alexcoyg3281next time you have an emotional reaction to a dramatic life event I hope someone tells you you're overreacting
I read the book back in the '70s, it was excellent.
I was watching this with my wife and she tapped out at that scene too. I watched the whole thing and thought it was really well done. I look forward to season 2 where ol’ Billy Boston shows up to feudal Japan
Amazing story, pacing and nuanced characters. Not a single episode wasted/pandered for DEI and we get 10 full episodes of meaning which beautifully conveys life, death, honor and loyalty. Even the women who are ruthless are still feminine and respected while being captivating the whole time. A great show that entertains and educates at the same time.
After watching the final episode i was legit depressed for a day. Incredible show.
As sad as the ending was, for me, the 1980 ending was more gut-wrenching. Although narrating characters' thoughts is considered corny nowadays, hearing Toranaga's inner monologue about how he would destroy any ship Blackthorne will ever build and how he was destined to never leave Japan had way more impact on me than how the modern adaptation handled it. Having Toranaga casually mention it to Yabushige, almost as a joke or a throwaway line made it less shocking to me. Especially since the original delivered it through the booming voice of Orson Welles. Finally, in the modern verison. Toranaga says "I believe his destiny is to never leave Japan", whereas in the 1980 version he specifically states it as fact, which gives it way more finality and gravitas.
That Mr. Sparkle edit lmaoo perfect
It was so unexpected. 😂
Boiling the guy was just Yobushige's death list research lmao
Great show review Bill!
If you’re interested, check out the historical origins of samurai killing themselves for their lords.
It’s a sick read.
"The Japanese" by Jack Seward.