The Chinese bike did well. But where I'm at in the middle of USA, There are so many used Japanese bikes (125/250 2 strokes) for under 2k that going for a clean old bike is definitely the best bet out here. And you don't lose money when you sell it.
Up here in British Columbia you can't find a parts bike (90's up two stroke) for $2000. For a decent early 2000's 250, you would be looking at $3500+. And when you buy it and look closer you realize that every bolt is a random hardware store fastner, and things are missing. Once when doing a top end job on a KX125, I found that the entire power valve system was just missing.
This was great! My son recently got his first full size bike and we did consider these. We found a 15 YZ250 that has had an amazing life and was very well taken care of and it was built almost exactly the way we wanted it. He's very very happy with it so far(about 40 hours)
Dammit, I was cheering Sean on even though he was piloting a chinesium cheapy. Fair play to the Slam SMX, what a fantastic value entry bike into motocross. I wonder how it would have done if mods were done to it up to the value of the YZ? Keep on keeping on Max, best motocross channel on any platform to date.
Would like to see a re match with say £1000 spent on the Slam. If the suspension was improved or replaced, and some basic tuning like a pipe, filter and jetting kit. A good rider should be miles faster on a YZ or other 125, but seeing a really good rider on a basic beginner bike and getting out everything it's got to give is also great fun to watch and also surprising too.
these Chinese engines are surprisingly reliable because they’re not heavily tuned. My younger sister's engine has already run for 400 hours, and the compression and everything else are still in perfect condition. By the way cause your races feature different classes of equipment, they're incredibly exciting to watch-some of the most thrilling races out there!!
@@MrCR500AFBeing xr clones is a good thing imo. but poor casting, low quality materials, and bad quality control can turn a reliable engine design into an unreliable engine. Chinese things rarely last long in my experience. If you can't get parts to repair it, it's scrap.
You "blokes" are having way too much fun doing this!!! 👍🇱🇷 And I had a great time watching. Always love what you have in store. This one is top shelf!!! ✌️😎👍
This SMX250 seems like a great choice for someone who is new to riding, or hits a few races per year for fun. I never can hold back the giggle when I go to a local race, and the 125cc and smaller classes have gates full of kids with more money in TI bolts than the cost of the SMX :-)
@@alexfraser2508 a few decades ago, I'd agree that Chinese manufacturing was not good, but take a moment to look around you now. Almost everything you see is Chinese made, and can be of great quality. What would make you think the most populous country would be incapable of quality?
It wasn't terrible, I wonder what it would be like by throwing some dollars at it to improve it with suspension and power upgrades. It seemed like it was bogging down pretty bad on the low speed turns.
Excellent video and low price option for the entry level learning rider !!! I have ridden the Kayo MX 250 and also the SSR 300 china built bikes and both were better than I was expecting but coming off my Beta RX 300 and Ktm 450 and 250 2 stroke was not impressed but for a third of the cost and not forgetting the china bikes are entry level they are very good and more important very fun !!!! 999 what a very fun and interesting video you have put together for us - LOVE IT !!!!! Sean on the slam bike - braaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
Oooooo guys. Was that a solid win Max?? For sure the Yam will eat it a live. But what would have happened if Sean hadnt missed a gear! Good job it wasnt best out three. All good stuff, love these video's. Keep them comin.
@@999lazerYou picked the wrong Chinese bike. Everyone knows anything that's air-cooled is no faster than an eighties trail bike. Next time get the proper bike and go with something liquid-cooled.
I’ve got 2 thumpstars , Australian Chinese bike brand . I’ve own the Japanese enduro models over the years and thought I’ll try a little 140 big wheel simply as a trail weekend ride . An equivalent model would be a KLX140 ( note klx is a much better bike ) . Met some riders and went for a quick blast through some tight sections track and it blew me away . I averaged middle in the group with my 140 . Until we go to open trails , then the better Japanese / euro bike took over and then I was placed at the back of the pack . Pros of better end ‘ Chinese bikes ….reasonable inexpensive, actually not cheap n nasty , can be relatively reliable with maintenance , plastics and some machined aluminium parts are of a high standard , welds on the bike are good . Cons …. The ergonomics isn’t right there atm but not far off , sure some bolts are rubbish , probably it will last 5 years but I’ve got confidence in the YX 140 motor to keep going , KTM riders won’t talk to you , but that’s just jealousy. ( if I was racing I would buy a KTM , please not hate mail ) Think of the Chinese bike as a vintage car , it goes well , just got to keep a spanner to it.
I've had a few Chinese 4 stroke dirt bikes that I got used... I know one was a 2003 and one was I believe a 2009... I'm not sure about the other. Anyhow, I think these bikes are decent as long as you're honest with yourself about what they are. They make a reasonable, cheap, trail bike. They're great as a buddy bike... I don't have mine anymore, but if I had a friend who wasn't much of a rider, I would put him on one of those far before I would put him on my YZ490, IT465, RMX250, or KDX200. If the Chinese bike got wrecked, it would suck, but it wouldn't be nearly as much of a loss as the other bikes - nor is it likely to hurt the person nearly as badly as the other bikes can.
@@LTLT900 definitely a fun bike! I went from my late teens to my late thirties without doing any riding, and my IT465 and a KTM 525SX were the first bikes I bought when I decided to get back into bikes. My first real ride, I dumped the IT because I was getting too cocky with my wheelies... it was still running, so I went to pick it up. Having gone 15+ years without riding, my clutch instincts were way too rusty, and I grabbed the bike by the throttle, without grabbing and engaging the clutch first. You should have seen that bike spin me around in a 360 as it roared around me! I've had a lot of fun with it since, but I need to put on a new gas tank - the old one finally cracked from being old and brittle. I have the new tank, I just need to get around to putting it on.
Years ago (70's) I bought a Hodaka 125 and entered a race in Casper Wyoming. I got a decent start and was pulling a hill in 5th gear--wow I felt like I was flying until a 125 Honda blew past me like I had the brakes on. The Hodaka was only $650.00 brand new. I guess you get what you pay for. The other thing that happened was I twisted the throttle so hard the thing would stick wide open--no fun coming to a corner.
That doesn't sound fun whatsoever! You're exactly right, you get what you pay for. This bike certainly is a top end race bike, but if it can help get new people involved in the sport i think it's pretty cool. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment Michael
Those Hodaka's were pretty good bikes until the day they unloaded the Elsinore's off the boat. The world of MX changed that day, those things were fast.
My father worked for a British bike company in the 50s. He said that when the Japanese bikes first came in they were like disposable bikes, flog them for the weekend then throw them away were there bikes were serviced and reused the following week. But it didn’t take long for the Japanese quality and reliability to improve to the point were they were dominating everything by the end of the decade.
Depends on engine architecture. It looks like something from an old XR or maybe a KL type thing and if so the carb won't be the big restriction - it will be the ports, valves, cam and timing. Those old, under stressed designs are great for longevity but they just can't breathe like a more modern design. The other problem is when you start messing with them they start building heat they were never designed to dissipate so you get strange things happen like bores going oval after a few hard uses and so on.
La disparidad de poder es significativa. Evaluaría la YZ contra la nueva Kove MX250, donde el enfrentamiento sería más equilibrado. Excelente video, saludos desde Argentina.
We trail ride with a guy that has some kinda Chinese twin. Drivetrain has been solid but stuff like fork seals and rear shock have died. The rims had a hilarious amount of runout new. But he still has fun. Thanks this was interesting
on chinese stuff best to drain the forks straigh taway from new put in decen tquality oil the seasl wont go, its their ultra thin oil they put in the cheap bikes that destroys the seals... no idea what type of oil it is , but if you put that in any bike it wil leat the seals..
It did better than i thought! What bike is a honda crf450x clone? Crm? Be cool if you got one. I think they were carb like an 07 honda clone for half the price
hi boys i was up at bills on thursday and think the are couple of bikes you havent tested .one of his latest 125 2 stoke maico plus the very last maico 550 works bike .food for thought.
I'm actually on my second Chinese bike, I have a Tao DB17 that I've ripped on so much and it still goes strong. Most recently acquired a Lifan KPX250 and it does everything I need it to do and has yet to cause me any issues. I cannot stress enough to do your research, because yes that cheap cheap bike is going to be exactly what you get, cheap in every sense of the word.
I rode something like this year's ago. Mate bought one brand new second hand for $1200. It looked great could tell it was barely used. He thought he had the deal of the century. I warned him there's a reason someone rode it once and sold it straight away so cheap to get rid of it. Took it to the local tracks he rode it up and back on one flat straight dirt road barely any revs said it's good. Asked me to ride it. Well it was the worst balanced puss bucket I'd ever got on. Was so front heavy it felt worse than an old school twin spring road bike in the dirt. I rode it into some lose stones at low speed the front burrowed in so I gave it a bit to lighten the front end and drive it out and save myself. It burrowed in further with a slight lean and dumped me on the high side. Those lose stones were hardly noticeable on every other bike I rode that day. From CR 80, RM 125 with an old It 250 engine I stuffed in the cradle and a hand full of other assorted bikes we had. Even a couple cheap Chinese kids bikes we were toying around on. That cheap 250 he bought was absolutely dangerous. Soon as he got a little confident on it it threw him to and he quickly realized what I was saying to him. Every other rider that day had a go on it had similar experience's and it sat there cold the rest of the day. No one wanted any part of it. It was sold near new straight away. (to another unsuspecting novice who figured he'd got the deal of the century. ) It was an absolute death trap. He went got himself a brand new yz 125 that week. And never looked back. I can't remember the brand it was, it certainly looked the part. I could feel in the first 5 meters this thing was dangerous. Maybe these companies have put a bit more effort into weight distribution and suspension since 2010 but for me till I feel it in action it's still a big fat no. I'll stick to my yz250 2t. Least I know it soaks up the bumps, corners, weight distribution, suspension and power to drive you out of a sticky situation is on tap. I grew up riding old bikes, anything with 2 wheels and a motor was a dirt bike to us. I'd say I've ridden some of the worst handling bikes imaginable in the dirt (some were old 70s roadbikes and even posty bikes) but this thing was absolutely terrifying and unmanageable. I am hoping they get better because new bikes have ridiculous high prices for entry level and good second hand bikes are still fetching very high prices for a beginner.
if your in you 40s like me and want to do some bush trails im sure it would be a great little chicken chaser lol, but im still buying that WR450F 2022 for my 40th in August lol, You guys should look into the Australian MX450 by BRAAAP, parts are cast in China but assembled in Australia by a family business and they offer lifetime warranty too, im pretty sure they are crf450x from 2007 ish era
When it comes to Kung fu movies I’m on the Chinese side but when it comes to bikes , I’m a Japanese supporter. I’ve owned 4 Suzuki’s & a Yamaha & a Honda a Chinese Sinnis 125 off roader & a couple of Triumphs. Good video 👍
I live in China and I bought a Hengjian HJ250, which was not bad at all considering the price. But, I had an engine bolt fall out, I some how sheered another engine bolt and bracket clean off, the fork seals were shot, the brakes were terrible, the chain broke twice, the battery was always dead and the foot pegs broke. There were a few other small problems I had which were cheap enough to fix but it was a bit annoying that after almost every time I rode there was something wrong. However for a seventh the price of any Japanese bike it was worth the money as it wasn’t necessarily built for MX. Would I buy another Chinese bike? No! Although they are improving the materials and technology is still way behind but they are getting better and better.
Fair play to shaun for hitting the jumps on it, got to have some confidence in the build quality of the wheels and frame 👏🏽 the Chineseum items have gotten alot better over the past few years, and what fun for £1800! It looks like a massive stomp 😂
Good video, the race was fun to watch. I can't speak on Slam specifically, but if they're anything like the Chinese dirtbikes I've worked with/owned, I highly recommend replacing any fastener you remove. The bolts and nuts are the cheapest part of the bikes, and have a tendency to turn brittle.
@@999lazer better off saving the money and put it towards a chinese model with full suspension water cooled and EFI, I think that's a better comparison, they even have 450's now
Do you guys have any info on the 10ten 250rx? Reading online its a bigger seat height, im assuming its probably the same engine to being chinese like the slam
@@999lazer We have given our demo bikes a tough life! The one he was racing has previously completed approx. 25 hours of enduro racing, approx 15-20 hours of mx practise, and a couple of days of oval beach races!
@@slambikes Thats good to hear but on any brand new big brand bike that would be expected. Keep hammering them and the more they take the more impressive it gets. Sooner or later they will fail like anything else but when they do it gives a decent gauge of how tough long term they are. I have a feeling that looked after they may well last a very long time due to that under stressed design. Throwing people like Sean on them and just saying "go for it" certainly doesn't hurt your rep though. Top job.
I have a GPX pitbike (fse 140). It’s a great little bike, especially for the price. The only gripe is that I can’t get parts for it as easily as anything else.
Please can you shoot the GPX200 or 250 enduro against a KDX220 and/or one of the Orange two strokes? The GPX 200 is a (KTM I think) frame with a 200cc Yamaha engine clone and the 250cc a KTM. I can provide a tired KDX for the shootout!
For enyoing off road experience with a small purse this chinese bike is hard to beat . I 've been looking for second hand off road bikes around 2000€ you get nothing without throwing more money at it to get it decent. This is a new bike! Would be a blast to start a club or training sessions even for grass track
I'd be concerned of when things break finding replacment parts. Jappy bikes have tons and tons of parts and aftermarket availability that make getting parts super simple
Would love to see a review of the GPX tse 250 I think it's a Chinese copy off a KTM 250 exc 2stroke also sure there's a 300 version, great videk as always to Max keep up the great work definitely produce the best Motocross content on yt in my opinion 👌
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and comment dude! :-) i think we could make some interesting videos with a GPX. I'll see if we can get our on hands on one for a day...
I would still go for the Yamaha! But that Chinese slam bike did a lot better than I thought......... And for that price... Now iam wondering for how long it will keep running doing standard maintenance like air filter and oil 🤔
Oh for sure, I have the YZ every day of the week. But the Slam genuinely did surprise us! Maybe we should try and get hold of one for a long term test so we can found out the answer to that...
My friend had a ssr pitbike years ago. I forget the cc but it was a very torquey 4 stroke motor we loved ripping wheelies on it until we blew the clutch😢
I think it's part to the fact that if you're buying a Chinese bike you can't afford to go to the track. Plus they aren't making it to 20 hrs without some bad issue. Speaking as a 17 year motorcycle mechanic.
Ты ошибаешься, механик, эти моторы работают без проблем и больше 1000 часов. На одной эндуро гонке был пробит картер на 172 двигателе, и пока масло вытекало гонщик ехал, в итоге он приехал на первое место! После вскрытия мотора оказалось что уничтожено только сцепление, которое заменили, заварили картер и мотоцикл снова поехал на гонку. Китайские моторы не имеют большой мощности, имеют большой вес, но при этом они очень живучие и надежные. Они не для профи, они для новичков и хобби, и они отлично показывают себя в младших классах на гонках. Кстати, в 2021 году на Red Bull Romaniacs в классе бронза первое место занял гонщик именно на китайском мотоцикле.
I think he's probably talking about the whole bike. I recently had to repair a YCF, no proper service manual. That had an endemic problem with the clutch gear failing to the starter shaft. Basic design issues were present, low cost wire and switches and components is another issue. You buy a bike because of reliability and maybe good for the first 20 hours. Some Chinese manufacturing is more refined but got to do research.
If and when you do another I would like you guys to swap and rerun em and let him catch you with a few sec lead 🔥🔥🔥 dope vlog tho 💪🏾💪🏾✊🏾 #TeamRideThatZuk
My income allows me to try one of these as I went and ordered a TrailMaster TM35 250 and surprisingly it was solid and amazingly built well. After a NIBBI carb swap, chain and new brake pads it held a line. My 2017 YZ250f and 2010 KTM 260sx blow every corner off the TM35, but they also cost 3x what The TM costs..if you want fun for $2000 brand new make no mistake the China bikes have reached a new level of quality..performance will need some mods, but it is a decent bike and only $2000
I catch alot of hate for my lil Chinese 125. But i love it. 1st bike i learned to ride. And i goes balls to the walls on that thing. Not only do i keep up with some of the bigger Japanese bikes but im able to out ride them. I use the full potential of that lil 125cc As the other guys are weak on throttle, im wide ass open. They hate that my bike cost half of what they paid and i out ride em. But i say as long as your having fun and creating good times doesnt matter what bike you have Gas up and ride👍🫵🏾
We've got a few SLAMS entered in the LEC Enduro Race series this season and they're holding up really well! We do appreciate that MX is another ball-game though!
Not gonna lie the Chinese bike did a lot better then I expected, especially for being air cooled with such less suspension. You should do a video after upgrading the wheels and suspension and run it back. I bet those wheels weigh a ton and rob a ton of power.
I got a chinese serna rx250. I'm not motocross but I rip threw the mountains it great for Enduro Stay on top of oil,spark plug,airfilter and live life. You only got 1. Have fun
You would be amazed at how much of a Japanese or Austrian bike is made in China. There are a few KTMs now that are fully built (but not assembled) in China and I’d bet the same is true for most Japanese too.
Two stroke vs 4 stroke that 2 stroke has more power by far and the price difference is off the charts! For novice rider with limited budget I'd take the 250 any day, it did surprisingly good!
First and foremost: We're talking 2-Stroke vs. 4-Stroke in doble CC displacement... so what's even the point? It's truly not 2:1 power-wise between the two. Gotta say the Chinese bike was VERY IMPRESSIVE!
THIS is the question I was looking to be answered, and I like the comments like so many Japanese used bikes for cheap and you can sell them for what you paid is a good argument, but I like the little extra doodads Chinese bikes have like cool lights, start up lights, etc at least on CK Moto street bikes. Now, let's watch the video and see what the answer could be. EDIT : I always hear Marty McFly in my head talking to Doc, "The best stuff comes from Japan." Hmmm... time will tell.
If Sean hadn't missed that shift, I don't think he would have gotten by him, that was a fumble, but. It was still pretty close at the end. I think the roost would have kept him in loser place, 2nd. But that was a good race, nonetheless. Riding a new bike Is like nothing else you don't have to worry about so many little things. IF you actually do preventative maintenance on your bikes those motors will last so long, but cheap things get treated cheap.
100% agree , I’ve got 2 Chinese bikes . I’ve owned Japanese motocross and enduros . I brought the Chinese ones as a joke then realised “ hang on , sure they were inexpensive but cheap, no.” Sure I don’t thrash but just trail ride , 2 year since new still going strong .
My kid has a Gio. I have ordered so many parts. I order a part every time we take it out it seems. This weekend I almost threw it into the street with a Free sign. Stopped at Yamaha to check out the TTR-50.
I know some used crfs are affordable but its not like im planning on doing any hardcore riding anytime soon. So a brand new chinese bike to learn on for a few years sounds good enough.
Absolutely the video was meant to impress japanese bikes than Chinese bikes. Just a question what if the person riding Chinese bike didn't have a slip in gear???
We loved watching this!! Had us on the edge of our seats! We are keen for you to keep putting the SLAM SMX 250 through its paces! Stay in touch!
The Chinese bike did well. But where I'm at in the middle of USA, There are so many used Japanese bikes (125/250 2 strokes) for under 2k that going for a clean old bike is definitely the best bet out here. And you don't lose money when you sell it.
Up here in British Columbia you can't find a parts bike (90's up two stroke) for $2000. For a decent early 2000's 250, you would be looking at $3500+. And when you buy it and look closer you realize that every bolt is a random hardware store fastner, and things are missing. Once when doing a top end job on a KX125, I found that the entire power valve system was just missing.
Where the hell ya getting em that cheap?
@@MarcSherwood old abused bikes going for more than 3k were i live😢
Not to mention parts avability.... Good luck finding anything for the China bike
@jmabs5096 atleast were i live there's a large community for old 2 strokes
This was great! My son recently got his first full size bike and we did consider these. We found a 15 YZ250 that has had an amazing life and was very well taken care of and it was built almost exactly the way we wanted it. He's very very happy with it so far(about 40 hours)
how much you spend on 2nd hand Yz250, im lookin' for it
@@AmeeGoMurdøçk we got it in Alabama he wanted 3800 and we got it for 3600 and he threw in some more parts and a helmet.
From first watching this to how good you guys are on camera is night and day. Keep up the content!
Great video Max, that Chinese bike did better than I expected, but probably down to Sean's riding how well it went. Nice one again Max.
Dammit, I was cheering Sean on even though he was piloting a chinesium cheapy.
Fair play to the Slam SMX, what a fantastic value entry bike into motocross.
I wonder how it would have done if mods were done to it up to the value of the YZ?
Keep on keeping on Max, best motocross channel on any platform to date.
Thanks for the kind words my friend :-) We might do a second video with the Slam after doing some mods and upgrades, maybe at a real race?
Would like to see a re match with say £1000 spent on the Slam. If the suspension was improved or replaced, and some basic tuning like a pipe, filter and jetting kit. A good rider should be miles faster on a YZ or other 125, but seeing a really good rider on a basic beginner bike and getting out everything it's got to give is also great fun to watch and also surprising too.
@@999lazer Another rather decent import is the GPX MOTO TSE250R Chinese 2 stroke, a hybrid DT 220 engined machine that actually kicks a bit of arse.
@@motomallen its a dt 230 engine
these Chinese engines are surprisingly reliable because they’re not heavily tuned. My younger sister's engine has already run for 400 hours, and the compression and everything else are still in perfect condition.
By the way cause your races feature different classes of equipment, they're incredibly exciting to watch-some of the most thrilling races out there!!
Let us know when get to 10k hours then you can say you had a good engine!
pretty much copies of older XR engines
@@MrCR500AFBeing xr clones is a good thing imo. but poor casting, low quality materials, and bad quality control can turn a reliable engine design into an unreliable engine.
Chinese things rarely last long in my experience. If you can't get parts to repair it, it's scrap.
@@MrCR500AF Engine that was in video is some mix of Kawasaki Super Sherpa's engine and Honda CRF 230F. And it produces only 21hp!
@@pauliewalnuts240 We have a full stock of parts available in our UK Warehouse, available for next day delivery
Great little bike if it brings more riders to the sport then I’m up for that.
I wish there was a brand new bike for little money when I was racing.
We totally agree! We aim to provide an affordable option for people to have a go at the sport without breaking the bank
We have a dedicated championship for these at Lincolnshire Enduro Club. They do quite well!
You "blokes" are having way too much fun doing this!!! 👍🇱🇷
And I had a great time watching.
Always love what you have in store.
This one is top shelf!!!
✌️😎👍
This SMX250 seems like a great choice for someone who is new to riding, or hits a few races per year for fun. I never can hold back the giggle when I go to a local race, and the 125cc and smaller classes have gates full of kids with more money in TI bolts than the cost of the SMX :-)
Totally agree!
If it weren’t Chinese okay but it is so no
@@alexfraser2508 a few decades ago, I'd agree that Chinese manufacturing was not good, but take a moment to look around you now. Almost everything you see is Chinese made, and can be of great quality. What would make you think the most populous country would be incapable of quality?
Let’s be Honest that China bike would be a lot of fun for the average Punter, but for Me it would be the YZ great Video.
Bought my son a 2009 rmz 250 for 1800 quid. Been faultless.
And yet another amazing video, well done Max and Shawn that was fantastic
Thanks Alan
@@999lazer get a koshine
It wasn't terrible, I wonder what it would be like by throwing some dollars at it to improve it with suspension and power upgrades. It seemed like it was bogging down pretty bad on the low speed turns.
That might just be a future video, maybe we should take one racing? Thanks for watching as always dude!
@@999lazer Watch this space!
Do it please @@999lazer
Excellent video and low price option for the entry level learning rider !!! I have ridden the Kayo MX 250 and also the SSR 300 china built bikes and both were better than I was expecting but coming off my Beta RX 300 and Ktm 450 and 250 2 stroke was not impressed but for a third of the cost and not forgetting the china bikes are entry level they are very good and more important very fun !!!! 999 what a very fun and interesting video you have put together for us - LOVE IT !!!!! Sean on the slam bike - braaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
Oooooo guys. Was that a solid win Max?? For sure the Yam will eat it a live. But what would have happened if Sean hadnt missed a gear! Good job it wasnt best out three. All good stuff, love these video's. Keep them comin.
My money is of the Japanese
It's where the smart money is! ;-D Thanks for watching as always buddy
A 20 year old flogged trushed Japanese bike or band new china.. good china any day
@@jeffwilliam7500Nah old clapped japanese and drop $500 in restoration and you're good to go.
@999lazer try the 125 koshine they seem interesting ,they resemble a ktm
@@999lazerYou picked the wrong Chinese bike. Everyone knows anything that's air-cooled is no faster than an eighties trail bike. Next time get the proper bike and go with something liquid-cooled.
ive seen the chinese are now doing 2 strokes now too. that would be worth a test!
I haven't seen them. Very interested.
@@siraff4461kayo makes a 250 2 stroke
there's even a 300 2 stroke
@@ziutekpoliski7886 really? Didn’t know that. I know gpx makes a 300
@@jarredschatz7544 300 4t is now common. even there are some 450.
I’ve got 2 thumpstars , Australian Chinese bike brand . I’ve own the Japanese enduro models over the years and thought I’ll try a little 140 big wheel simply as a trail weekend ride . An equivalent model would be a KLX140 ( note klx is a much better bike ) .
Met some riders and went for a quick blast through some tight sections track and it blew me away . I averaged middle in the group with my 140 . Until we go to open trails , then the better Japanese / euro bike took over and then I was placed at the back of the pack .
Pros of better end ‘ Chinese bikes ….reasonable inexpensive, actually not cheap n nasty , can be relatively reliable with maintenance , plastics and some machined aluminium parts are of a high standard , welds on the bike are good .
Cons …. The ergonomics isn’t right there atm but not far off , sure some bolts are rubbish , probably it will last 5 years but I’ve got confidence in the YX 140 motor to keep going , KTM riders won’t talk to you , but that’s just jealousy. ( if I was racing I would buy a KTM , please not hate mail )
Think of the Chinese bike as a vintage car , it goes well , just got to keep a spanner to it.
I've had a few Chinese 4 stroke dirt bikes that I got used... I know one was a 2003 and one was I believe a 2009... I'm not sure about the other. Anyhow, I think these bikes are decent as long as you're honest with yourself about what they are. They make a reasonable, cheap, trail bike. They're great as a buddy bike... I don't have mine anymore, but if I had a friend who wasn't much of a rider, I would put him on one of those far before I would put him on my YZ490, IT465, RMX250, or KDX200. If the Chinese bike got wrecked, it would suck, but it wouldn't be nearly as much of a loss as the other bikes - nor is it likely to hurt the person nearly as badly as the other bikes can.
I had an IT465 back in the 80s. What a fun bike it was too on the road.
@@LTLT900 definitely a fun bike! I went from my late teens to my late thirties without doing any riding, and my IT465 and a KTM 525SX were the first bikes I bought when I decided to get back into bikes.
My first real ride, I dumped the IT because I was getting too cocky with my wheelies... it was still running, so I went to pick it up. Having gone 15+ years without riding, my clutch instincts were way too rusty, and I grabbed the bike by the throttle, without grabbing and engaging the clutch first. You should have seen that bike spin me around in a 360 as it roared around me!
I've had a lot of fun with it since, but I need to put on a new gas tank - the old one finally cracked from being old and brittle. I have the new tank, I just need to get around to putting it on.
Years ago (70's) I bought a Hodaka 125 and entered a race in Casper Wyoming. I got a decent start and was pulling a hill in 5th gear--wow I felt like I was flying until a 125 Honda blew past me like I had the brakes on. The Hodaka was only $650.00 brand new. I guess you get what you pay for. The other thing that happened was I twisted the throttle so hard the thing would stick wide open--no fun coming to a corner.
That doesn't sound fun whatsoever! You're exactly right, you get what you pay for. This bike certainly is a top end race bike, but if it can help get new people involved in the sport i think it's pretty cool. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment Michael
@@999lazer Yes sir cheap fun.
Those Hodaka's were pretty good bikes until the day they unloaded the Elsinore's off the boat. The world of MX changed that day, those things were fast.
Did you know Randy Cornell?
I too raced in Casper in ~ ‘74!
Hi....there are 300 cc 2t chinesse dirt bike..check the LEXTRA dirt bike...Can you compare with this Lextra bike? For another video?
You should have got a SSR 300 or a Kova 250.
I looked at trying to get hold of a Kove, but as far as i'm aware I don't think they've landed here in the UK yet
@@999lazer Hopefully someday You can try one out.
How many laps do you think it's capable of going flat out
@@999lazer get a koshine
They have an electric start 125 smoker
Its not about the bike but the skill of the rider
My father worked for a British bike company in the 50s. He said that when the Japanese bikes first came in they were like disposable bikes, flog them for the weekend then throw them away were there bikes were serviced and reused the following week. But it didn’t take long for the Japanese quality and reliability to improve to the point were they were dominating everything by the end of the decade.
I bet all you'd really need is a carb change and it'd be pretty fast. Probably something like an FCR39 to get into those higher RPMs.
Depends on engine architecture. It looks like something from an old XR or maybe a KL type thing and if so the carb won't be the big restriction - it will be the ports, valves, cam and timing.
Those old, under stressed designs are great for longevity but they just can't breathe like a more modern design.
The other problem is when you start messing with them they start building heat they were never designed to dissipate so you get strange things happen like bores going oval after a few hard uses and so on.
Any el cheapo Chinese 2 strokes available to test?
mmmm....lets see what we can do about that.
This was fun too watch. Now buy a 2nd hand 4 stroke 250cc japanese mx for the same money as the 'slam' and switch riders 😊
Great show, answered sine good answers!!
La disparidad de poder es significativa. Evaluaría la YZ contra la nueva Kove MX250, donde el enfrentamiento sería más equilibrado. Excelente video, saludos desde Argentina.
We trail ride with a guy that has some kinda Chinese twin. Drivetrain has been solid but stuff like fork seals and rear shock have died. The rims had a hilarious amount of runout new. But he still has fun. Thanks this was interesting
on chinese stuff best to drain the forks straigh taway from new put in decen tquality oil the seasl wont go, its their ultra thin oil they put in the cheap bikes that destroys the seals... no idea what type of oil it is , but if you put that in any bike it wil leat the seals..
You have the coolest videos. With the widest range of shootouts.
Thanks dude :-D So glad you are enjoying the channel!
is it the same engine as the chinese 10ten 250? they claimed that was 250cc but was actually a 200
I'm not sure on that, I'm not familiar with the 10ten.... Thanks for watching though dude! :-D
Do you have a 4 stroke Yamaha to do a more apples to apple comparison? Like a yz250f or wr250f...
It did better than i thought! What bike is a honda crf450x clone? Crm? Be cool if you got one. I think they were carb like an 07 honda clone for half the price
hi boys i was up at bills on thursday and think the are couple of bikes you havent tested .one of his latest 125 2 stoke maico plus the very last maico 550 works bike .food for thought.
I'm actually on my second Chinese bike, I have a Tao DB17 that I've ripped on so much and it still goes strong. Most recently acquired a Lifan KPX250 and it does everything I need it to do and has yet to cause me any issues. I cannot stress enough to do your research, because yes that cheap cheap bike is going to be exactly what you get, cheap in every sense of the word.
I rode something like this year's ago. Mate bought one brand new second hand for $1200. It looked great could tell it was barely used. He thought he had the deal of the century. I warned him there's a reason someone rode it once and sold it straight away so cheap to get rid of it. Took it to the local tracks he rode it up and back on one flat straight dirt road barely any revs said it's good. Asked me to ride it. Well it was the worst balanced puss bucket I'd ever got on. Was so front heavy it felt worse than an old school twin spring road bike in the dirt. I rode it into some lose stones at low speed the front burrowed in so I gave it a bit to lighten the front end and drive it out and save myself. It burrowed in further with a slight lean and dumped me on the high side. Those lose stones were hardly noticeable on every other bike I rode that day. From CR 80, RM 125 with an old It 250 engine I stuffed in the cradle and a hand full of other assorted bikes we had. Even a couple cheap Chinese kids bikes we were toying around on. That cheap 250 he bought was absolutely dangerous. Soon as he got a little confident on it it threw him to and he quickly realized what I was saying to him. Every other rider that day had a go on it had similar experience's and it sat there cold the rest of the day. No one wanted any part of it. It was sold near new straight away. (to another unsuspecting novice who figured he'd got the deal of the century. ) It was an absolute death trap. He went got himself a brand new yz 125 that week. And never looked back. I can't remember the brand it was, it certainly looked the part. I could feel in the first 5 meters this thing was dangerous. Maybe these companies have put a bit more effort into weight distribution and suspension since 2010 but for me till I feel it in action it's still a big fat no. I'll stick to my yz250 2t. Least I know it soaks up the bumps, corners, weight distribution, suspension and power to drive you out of a sticky situation is on tap. I grew up riding old bikes, anything with 2 wheels and a motor was a dirt bike to us. I'd say I've ridden some of the worst handling bikes imaginable in the dirt (some were old 70s roadbikes and even posty bikes) but this thing was absolutely terrifying and unmanageable.
I am hoping they get better because new bikes have ridiculous high prices for entry level and good second hand bikes are still fetching very high prices for a beginner.
if your in you 40s like me and want to do some bush trails im sure it would be a great little chicken chaser lol, but im still buying that WR450F 2022 for my 40th in August lol, You guys should look into the Australian MX450 by BRAAAP, parts are cast in China but assembled in Australia by a family business and they offer lifetime warranty too, im pretty sure they are crf450x from 2007 ish era
You should test the Kove 250 Chinese bike. Great video!!!
I've been trying to get hold of a Kove since the start of the year, but I'm pretty sure they aren't imported into the UK...
@@999lazer get a koshine my friend
@@999lazer what about the kove 450 mx bike they claim it makes 65hp and somewhere else I seen they claim it makes 71hp at 13,000rpm
Love is top 10 dakkar rally
When it comes to Kung fu movies I’m on the Chinese side but when it comes to bikes , I’m a Japanese supporter. I’ve owned 4 Suzuki’s & a Yamaha & a Honda a Chinese Sinnis 125 off roader & a couple of Triumphs. Good video 👍
I live in China and I bought a Hengjian HJ250, which was not bad at all considering the price. But, I had an engine bolt fall out, I some how sheered another engine bolt and bracket clean off, the fork seals were shot, the brakes were terrible, the chain broke twice, the battery was always dead and the foot pegs broke. There were a few other small problems I had which were cheap enough to fix but it was a bit annoying that after almost every time I rode there was something wrong. However for a seventh the price of any Japanese bike it was worth the money as it wasn’t necessarily built for MX. Would I buy another Chinese bike? No! Although they are improving the materials and technology is still way behind but they are getting better and better.
Fair play to shaun for hitting the jumps on it, got to have some confidence in the build quality of the wheels and frame 👏🏽 the Chineseum items have gotten alot better over the past few years, and what fun for £1800! It looks like a massive stomp 😂
Good video, the race was fun to watch. I can't speak on Slam specifically, but if they're anything like the Chinese dirtbikes I've worked with/owned, I highly recommend replacing any fastener you remove. The bolts and nuts are the cheapest part of the bikes, and have a tendency to turn brittle.
Ive been riding for 25+yrs i recently rode a Chinese 2 stroke 300cc dirt bike n i was pretty amazed how good it ran n the power was decent
Now see what you can do to tune it and race it again. I.e change suspension. Carb and so on
Maybe we should do the upgrades and go to an actual race? Thanks for watching dude!
@@999lazer yeah I'd like to see that.
@999lazer that would be brilliant. Already looks like it certainly wouldn't come last so it would definitely be interesting
@@999lazer better off saving the money and put it towards a chinese model with full suspension water cooled and EFI, I think that's a better comparison, they even have 450's now
Do you guys have any info on the 10ten 250rx? Reading online its a bigger seat height, im assuming its probably the same engine to being chinese like the slam
I'm really surprised that the SMX250 stood up to Shawn's thrashing. It may not be fast, but at least it's tough.
that's what we thought, it was wide open all day and had quite a few hours on it beforehand too
@@999lazer We have given our demo bikes a tough life! The one he was racing has previously completed approx. 25 hours of enduro racing, approx 15-20 hours of mx practise, and a couple of days of oval beach races!
@@999lazer get a koshine
@@slambikes Thats good to hear but on any brand new big brand bike that would be expected. Keep hammering them and the more they take the more impressive it gets.
Sooner or later they will fail like anything else but when they do it gives a decent gauge of how tough long term they are.
I have a feeling that looked after they may well last a very long time due to that under stressed design.
Throwing people like Sean on them and just saying "go for it" certainly doesn't hurt your rep though. Top job.
I have a GPX pitbike (fse 140). It’s a great little bike, especially for the price. The only gripe is that I can’t get parts for it as easily as anything else.
Is the Slam SMX250 engine 2 valve or 4 valve?
4 valve 👍
Sean brave man hitting buttercup on that bike. Surprised sean didnt snap it in half. The table tops at that track are long!
Sean gave it everything as usual...lol
Please can you shoot the GPX200 or 250 enduro against a KDX220 and/or one of the Orange two strokes?
The GPX 200 is a (KTM I think) frame with a 200cc Yamaha engine clone and the 250cc a KTM.
I can provide a tired KDX for the shootout!
For enyoing off road experience with a small purse this chinese bike is hard to beat . I 've been looking for second hand off road bikes around 2000€ you get nothing without throwing more money at it to get it decent. This is a new bike!
Would be a blast to start a club or training sessions even for grass track
I'd be concerned of when things break finding replacment parts. Jappy bikes have tons and tons of parts and aftermarket availability that make getting parts super simple
We have a full stock of parts available for next day delivery from our warehouse here in the UK 👍
Would love to see a review of the GPX tse 250 I think it's a Chinese copy off a KTM 250 exc 2stroke also sure there's a 300 version, great videk as always to Max keep up the great work definitely produce the best Motocross content on yt in my opinion 👌
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and comment dude! :-) i think we could make some interesting videos with a GPX. I'll see if we can get our on hands on one for a day...
@@999lazer the 300 is a much better clone engine then the 250.
Thanks
good race!
I would still go for the Yamaha! But that Chinese slam bike did a lot better than I thought......... And for that price... Now iam wondering for how long it will keep running doing standard maintenance like air filter and oil 🤔
Oh for sure, I have the YZ every day of the week. But the Slam genuinely did surprise us! Maybe we should try and get hold of one for a long term test so we can found out the answer to that...
@@999lazer A long term test would be great!
@@999lazer Noted! Stay in touch lets make it happen!
Max! We need to see you out on the track more man!
Need this race but either a water cooled bike. Kove?
My friend had a ssr pitbike years ago. I forget the cc but it was a very torquey 4 stroke motor we loved ripping wheelies on it until we blew the clutch😢
I think it's part to the fact that if you're buying a Chinese bike you can't afford to go to the track. Plus they aren't making it to 20 hrs without some bad issue. Speaking as a 17 year motorcycle mechanic.
Bro you live my dream
20 hours? I don’t know about that. Chinese bikes have come along way
20 hours? I don’t know about that. Chinese bikes have come along way
Ты ошибаешься, механик, эти моторы работают без проблем и больше 1000 часов. На одной эндуро гонке был пробит картер на 172 двигателе, и пока масло вытекало гонщик ехал, в итоге он приехал на первое место! После вскрытия мотора оказалось что уничтожено только сцепление, которое заменили, заварили картер и мотоцикл снова поехал на гонку. Китайские моторы не имеют большой мощности, имеют большой вес, но при этом они очень живучие и надежные. Они не для профи, они для новичков и хобби, и они отлично показывают себя в младших классах на гонках. Кстати, в 2021 году на Red Bull Romaniacs в классе бронза первое место занял гонщик именно на китайском мотоцикле.
I think he's probably talking about the whole bike. I recently had to repair a YCF, no proper service manual. That had an endemic problem with the clutch gear failing to the starter shaft. Basic design issues were present, low cost wire and switches and components is another issue. You buy a bike because of reliability and maybe good for the first 20 hours. Some Chinese manufacturing is more refined but got to do research.
If and when you do another I would like you guys to swap and rerun em and let him catch you with a few sec lead 🔥🔥🔥 dope vlog tho 💪🏾💪🏾✊🏾 #TeamRideThatZuk
My income allows me to try one of these as I went and ordered a TrailMaster TM35 250 and surprisingly it was solid and amazingly built well. After a NIBBI carb swap, chain and new brake pads it held a line. My 2017 YZ250f and 2010 KTM 260sx blow every corner off the TM35, but they also cost 3x what The TM costs..if you want fun for $2000 brand new make no mistake the China bikes have reached a new level of quality..performance will need some mods, but it is a decent bike and only $2000
Excellent pure professionals
Edge of your seat race
Thanks Ian
@999lazer no problem
I like seeing hard work pay off!
Well done boys!
Can't wait to see the next test
That's like Racing an XR100 VS an CR or KX80?! One is made for trail's, the other is made for the track?! Obvious results! 👍
Ive been thinking of buying a kurz 250 off ebay. Its full size but enduro. I have a kxf250 and would just want a cheap enduro to go with it
Can't find the kurz 250 on ebay .....
@@a1hamer I've just checked it's definitely still there. Kurz Fs 250. It's £2.500
@@a1hamer are you uk based ? Or outside of the UK ?
That was a great race!
I catch alot of hate for my lil Chinese 125. But i love it. 1st bike i learned to ride. And i goes balls to the walls on that thing. Not only do i keep up with some of the bigger Japanese bikes but im able to out ride them. I use the full potential of that lil 125cc
As the other guys are weak on throttle, im wide ass open.
They hate that my bike cost half of what they paid and i out ride em.
But i say as long as your having fun and creating good times doesnt matter what bike you have
Gas up and ride👍🫵🏾
I'm not understanding putting a 125cc 2 stroke bike against a heavy ass 250cc 4 stroke?? Please someone explain this to me??
how mch KW have that slam smx250?
Safe to say that Chinese 4 strokes are about as capable as the 4 strokes from 25 years ago. When you think about it that’s pretty impressive.
Yup, I got 3 Chinese bikes (all 125ccs) and all of them are running strong so far.
Why not have just 1 new Japanese 125cc?
I have thump
I'd love to see you put a makuni carb and some sort of header on the china bike and run it again..
I Have to say , you're a better rider than I thought you were 👍
thanks, I need to spend more time on the bikes and less behind the camera :)
Be interesting to see how well the Chinese bike holds up over a season of club racing. I think it’s plenty fast enough for a beginner.
agreed , that would be the real test for one
We've got a few SLAMS entered in the LEC Enduro Race series this season and they're holding up really well! We do appreciate that MX is another ball-game though!
Poorer or Richer, definitely Japanese 💯 nothing can beats the Japanese dirt bikes 🎌🎌🎌🏍️
Kayo has a water cooled 4 stroke for motocriss, test one of tbose. Kayo has a presence in TBE US
I have 1970's bikes, curious if anything of Chinese bikes will be around in 40-50 years😅
Not gonna lie the Chinese bike did a lot better then I expected, especially for being air cooled with such less suspension. You should do a video after upgrading the wheels and suspension and run it back. I bet those wheels weigh a ton and rob a ton of power.
I got a chinese serna rx250. I'm not motocross but I rip threw the mountains it great for Enduro
Stay on top of oil,spark plug,airfilter and live life. You only got 1. Have fun
And it's a 4 stroke. Still bad ass bike for the price 1600
Sounds like a fun time dude! Keep it ripping dude :-D
You would be amazed at how much of a Japanese or Austrian bike is made in China. There are a few KTMs now that are fully built (but not assembled) in China and I’d bet the same is true for most Japanese too.
Both KTM and Yamaha are partnered with Chinese manufacturer - CFMOTO
Two stroke vs 4 stroke that 2 stroke has more power by far and the price difference is off the charts! For novice rider with limited budget I'd take the 250 any day, it did surprisingly good!
250 cc 2 stroke which brand
First and foremost: We're talking 2-Stroke vs. 4-Stroke in doble CC displacement... so what's even the point? It's truly not 2:1 power-wise between the two. Gotta say the Chinese bike was VERY IMPRESSIVE!
Thanks! :)
THIS is the question I was looking to be answered, and I like the comments like so many Japanese used bikes for cheap and you can sell them for what you paid is a good argument, but I like the little extra doodads Chinese bikes have like cool lights, start up lights, etc at least on CK Moto street bikes. Now, let's watch the video and see what the answer could be. EDIT : I always hear Marty McFly in my head talking to Doc, "The best stuff comes from Japan." Hmmm... time will tell.
If Sean hadn't missed that shift, I don't think he would have gotten by him, that was a fumble, but. It was still pretty close at the end. I think the roost would have kept him in loser place, 2nd. But that was a good race, nonetheless. Riding a new bike Is like nothing else you don't have to worry about so many little things. IF you actually do preventative maintenance on your bikes those motors will last so long, but cheap things get treated cheap.
100% agree , I’ve got 2 Chinese bikes . I’ve owned Japanese motocross and enduros . I brought the Chinese ones as a joke then realised “ hang on , sure they were inexpensive but cheap, no.” Sure I don’t thrash but just trail ride , 2 year since new still going strong .
We were gutted about that missed shift! But very glad it wasn't a bike issue!
Chep to buy, but cheap to ride, almost impossible to re-sell, and scaring in reliability. Does it sound a good deal?
Interesting. With the Yamaha costing about 4 times more at around $8,000 the Slam could be a great option for people who just want to have fun.
🙂👍
It has CFMOTO labelled on its tail. Is this one of theirs?
The UK importer for the Slam bike are the same guys that bring in the CFmoto quad bikes. Thanks for watching :-)
My kid has a Gio. I have ordered so many parts. I order a part every time we take it out it seems. This weekend I almost threw it into the street with a Free sign. Stopped at Yamaha to check out the TTR-50.
Good race.
I bought one from Amazon and it's still goin strong after two years and for 1800 to me it's worth it
The fun on them is beating proper mix bikes
Haha I'm sure there's been many confused riders being passed by Chinese machines... Thanks for watching Lee
I know some used crfs are affordable but its not like im planning on doing any hardcore riding anytime soon. So a brand new chinese bike to learn on for a few years sounds good enough.
There’s a bunch of 250 and 300 two stroke China bikes in Australia. Thumpster imports one… I’m not sure how good they are though
Why not one of the koves or jtl or whatever 250 2 strokes
Im very impressed with the Chinese bike I certainly didn't expect it to do that well
Absolutely the video was meant to impress japanese bikes than Chinese bikes. Just a question what if the person riding Chinese bike didn't have a slip in gear???
I've beat the stew out of mine and dumped it a couple times but tons of gravel where I Iive in the states so it's perfect for back roads and cruising
Im a diehard 2 stroke fella. Fun race and lil interesting.
Gd days can be had on 4 stroke i reckon.
Wondering why your track doesn't have a whoop section. I'm sure that would have majorly slowed down that Chinese trail bike.