Succession Season 4 Finale Review (Episode 10)
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Kendall IS A KILLER somewhat
@@laughingoutloud5742 😊aa
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I think I’ve watched pretty much all the well done series recaps & this one is the best so far.
I would subscribe, except for the fact that most of the shows you cover aren’t things that have interested me, this is definitely a great video!
Well done guys, well done!
You got Caroline's motives all wrong. She invited them for vacation with the intention that Peter and his friend would make a business pitch to them. She tells them to not go with Gojo so Peter can get his talons in. When they are making the Meal for a King, she complains about how far Peter had to travel to get there. When they leave, Peter and her call the whole thing a "waste of time". Caroline is a narcissist. Don't be fooled. She likes to be viewed as the wronged mother.
I was really surprised that they both totally missed this. Caroline fucked over all of her kids for Peter in finale of Season 3 and she was planning to do it all over again in the series finale.
yeah I agree!
She was worst than Logan. A real bit..
@@dago4133 ok not worse than Logan😭 but pretty shitty indeed
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The home video showed the Logan the siblings missed out on by focusing so much on taking over the company. Connor, who didn't get involved, got to see that other side of Logan. For that reason, I think the home video works.
YES! This is a genius comment. The video and what you pointed out brings a lot of humanity to the family and in a way adds motivation to Shivs betrayal. Kendall is a cheap imitation of her “world of a father”.
Agree! I think it should have been eye opening to them to see how different their dad was when he wasn’t around them
Great observation
Agree that brought me back to the last episode where the kids were shocked that Conner was the only one that knew about the mausoleum deal Logan got. Since Conner was never in the running for CEO he got to see a different side of their father that the kids didn’t.
His work colleagues he saw them as his real family not his kids
Tom putting the sticker on Greg's forehead was the best moment of the episode. Even though Greg betrayed him he still picked Greg as his 'item to keep'.
Greg betrayed Matteson not necessarily Tom
Lol Caroline being as sweet as can be?! She’s trying?! Being motherly?! Did you guys watch the same episode as me? She was (once again) anything but and only invited them out there for Peter so he could pitch them. “Go away,” she says as she waves and her children drive off, followed by Peter’s, “Waste of fn time.” No food, no intention of hosting a real dinner; it was all about the pitch for Peter. And while she may not have cared about the pitch (and was simply helping Peter), she sure AF wasn’t trying to be a good mother.
totally agree
Roman licking Peter's special cheese was just top notch Succession content
That was so funny
I feel like a big part of Caroline 's motivation in inviting the kids down was that stupid pitch from her husband's friend. Yes she wanted to see them, but in the same way she wanted Logan at her wedding - to flaunt her access.
100%. The Soup gave her waaay too much credit lol
she is inhuman, there is no true compassion in her soul
She is absolutely my least favorite character. Despicable. Never saw a hint of her loving her kids on the show.
Roman reverting back to being the “look at all this fucking bullshit” guy is definitely my favorite outcome of the siblings. He did what everyone watching the show wanted to do from the beginning: cash out and live large, because who cares?
Shiv and Kendall acting like they had anything to bring to the table was always just the hubris of spoiled rich kids; Roman realizing that makes him far and away the most self aware of them.
The only reason Roman ever wanted the CEO job was because he thought it fit Logan’s wishes and that it was the thing that would earn him his father’s approval. Him realizing that it was all bullshit and that the cycle ultimately died with Logan is such a relief.
Just had to shoot some of my thoughts on this amazing finale out into the void…
Roman literally only switches out when Shiv does. Roman is his same flip flop self. If there was another week of this show he would be back to asking Kendall how can they salvage this
@@rhondac.891 I think before the whole Kendall denying he actually killed the kid thing you’d be right
I mean Kendall had a little bit of legit experience. But his biggest problem is he had to rely on Roman, and Shiv to become CEO. There were 6 other Board members, he should have been able to convince one of them.
Anyone thinking Tom won is ridiculous, he is literally just hiring the future fall guy, or at best bitch made meat puppet.
@@BeastReview agree
3 certainties with Succession:
1. Kendall always loses.
2. Logan always wins.
3. Beau always mispronounces the names Macfadyen and Mylod.
And shiv will always backstab you
And Shiv always gets her way
@@jjohnson649 Yes but for once she did not go against Tom. And that was a new one (well not entirely new, she has supported him some time but it is not many times and not in this big way).
I actually really likes the Logan video scene. The entire show we see Logan from the kids perspective, and it only highlights how awful he was. The video shows Logan from the perspective of his actual friends and colleagues. You see how everyone is enjoying each others company, and in a way causes the viewer to call into question the perspectives of the kids. I thought it was pretty interesting. Everyone knows Logan is a monster, but this gave us a slight glimpse at his humanity, a glimpse we never really get elsewhere in the show, and helps to understand how such a monster could be so beloved.
Also, Ken screaming he is “the eldest boy” is extra fucking hilarious because he isn’t even the eldest boy.
I just don't think they saw Connor as a sibling. We don't even know if they were raised in the same household. He's more like an uncle to them
you're wrong. When Jerry asked her colleagues if they missed logan and one said yes she described it as Stockholm syndrome. They shared a laugh. It was unanimous, everyone close to Logan all agree he was a complete asshole.
@@SuperCrow02 He wasn't in the same household, he took them out on vacations because Logan wasn't around often. I think Roman and Shiv have a stronger impression of him than Kendall for whatever reason. Roman's fondest memories are with Connor and Shiv denied that Kendall was the eldest sibling.
@@Spaced92 Logan told Ken he was the successor at 7yo which is y Ken mentally look down to Connor. Rem Connor has a dif mum so the main wife was ken’s mum
Yes but I agree with NerdSoup that the fuck you thing may be a little bit to much.
The thing about the scene with the home movie was that the kids weren't there. It was yet another piece of evidence that Logan sharing anything that resembled love and acceptance was unobtainable to them. There they are - still on the outside looking in. Standing outside his door just like when they were kids.
😢
I think that the TV scene did an amazing job at revealing that Logan's real family was never the children, it was the old guard. This scene was heartbreaking for the children and really showed them who they were and who they weren't.
I loved that Greg finally fought back against Tom in the bathroom. The look they gave eachother after the slaps was perfect. I thought Tom had cracked his last Greggs.
Then Tom brings him back in the same way he did in Episode 1 and I couldn’t help smile hoping they’d be okay
The arrogance of Tom at the end of the show.. his whole demeanor changed.. exceptional
I mean everyone shit on him the whole series so it probably felt good to flex a little
Incredible acting. I hated him at the end. I felt it in my stomach.
Is it really arrogance when he’s eating endless shit sandwiches?
Yep totally agree and brilliant acting. I love that Tom had this side to him all along but played the servile dweeb to get ahead. Maybe Shiv would have respected him more if he was like this from the beginning lol
I thought he looked hot 😭
Little did Shiv know, but she sold Tom to the Swede far better than Tom ever could. Her description of him, as "su*king the biggest **** in the room" is exactly the type of CEO he was looking for. Shiv misread the situation so poorly that she cost herself the CEO position.
EXACTLY!!!
It’s ironic that at the end of season 2 Logan tells Kendall “You have to be a killer” in order to take over but then Shiv said “You can’t be CEO because you killed someone.”
It was metaphorical not literal. But imagine if it got out that Kendall killed somebody. It would come out eventually. You can run from the past. It always catches up to you.
@@JosephTallent he didn't kill him tho, it was an accident. Manslaugter at most.
Kinda had a different read on that Kendall-Roman "hug" scene. For me, in a way rome almost asks for ken to give him a reason to not be CEO. I think that's why he says 'the stitches don't look so bad, why can't it be me?' Ken then realizing that rome usually seeks abuse as some sort of validation/love proceeds to show that same kind of twisted love Logan had for Roman. And then in the middle of their "hug" Roman accepts it and pushes his head deeper into ken's shoulder even rubbing against it a bit. For Rome, the open stitch is like the visual way to justify why he didn't get the job, kinda like a crutch he can wear to tell himself that's why he lost. But also the perfect encapsulation of why it would have never been him, because he's so broken and bruised as a person already at that point. It's honestly fckn wild.... 😓
I felt when he points to his wounds and asks why it couldn’t be him, that was a nod to him being the most physically and mentally damaged by Logan. He took the hits, he feels defeated because he thought he might have a chance- and felt internally he earned it for being a literal punching bag. He still has the wounds to prove it 😢
And i felt the hug was Kendal acknowledging what he’s been through- and just seeing Roman finally be vulnerable and not downplay the violence he faced like he always did. Then knowing Roman needs the pain to feel the love, he made the hug hurt :/
I took it as Kendall ruining Romans face on purpose as a power play and he knows Roman is like a beaten dog and he would let him do it. It was really messed up and made me feel sick. That was the point I thought Kendall is fully cruel and heartless now he’s willing to kick Roman when he’s down just to be CEO
Definitely disagree with your view on the video of Logan and the old guard. They showed simultaneously how segregated the sibs were from Logan's life and non-CEO personality and how Connor was actually the closest to Logan despite being seen as the outsider because Logan did not see him as a successor. That video was immensely tragic not feel-good fodder.
Totally agree that when Kendal kicked his feet up on Logan’s old desk seconds after acting like there was some reverence over it, that was the first thing that set Shiv off into changing her mind
My problem with this is that it seemed so... lazy, writing-wise, to me. I knew he was a dick, but they made him... worse.
i like that the family that stayed together was the disgusting brothers. proof that the real family are the friends we made along the way
Well. Not the best friendship in the world.
Tom is about to make Greg’s life hell. That wasn’t clear? 😂
14:07 Jessie Armstrong also clarified that Shiv changed her mind about Kendal being CEO the moment he sat in Logan’s chair and was already getting an ego trip from the false sense of power. It wasn’t really a Tom or Mattson thing, it was the fact she was witnessed him literally morph instantly into a power hungry narcissist in that role.
She just can’t stand to see him win. She would’ve never allowed herself to do it. And bringing up his accident now was so low. She’s the worse. And Roman is not much better with using his kids against him.
How anyone doesn’t unalive in this family is beyond me because there is just no love or trust here.
That's actually a helpful remark. I was coming around to the same conclusion, that THAT was the moment Shiv lost her shit. Glad that JA confirmed it.
Actually it's several things that made her change her mind in that short span of time :
- Kendall's attitude sitting in the chair
- Seeing Roman all bloody after being "comforted" by Kendall
- Kendall LYING to the board that him and Roman locked the GoJo deal when Shiv is the only reason that deal went through (with a massive price increase) .
- Kendall's dismissive and arrogant attitude with the board (let's just skip to the vote..)
@@stephyworld8713 correct! Those are the specific things Jessie talked about in the segment after the episode.
@@stephyworld8713you act like shiv is a strategic character and have bullet points as to why she betrayed Kendall. She took the vote because it was the last sliver of power she knew she was going to get and she hated Kendall more than Tom because she always despised him.
"Listen, guys: I'm the main character. Go back to season 1, OK? It's always been about me."
"I was first shot. And the last shot."
I cackled.
I completely disagree with what you guys we’re saying about their mother. She said some nice things during the episode but everything she says and does is manipulative as fuck. And the last thing she says about her children is “go away” behind their backs
That hug between Kendall and Roman was weirdly disturbing. On one hand, Roman 'self harming', on the other, Ken 'putting a pillow over his face'. Yet...there was love there too. Sheesh. Dark shit...
I thought the dinner party scene was going to lean into the 3 of them realizing how devastated and resentful they are to watch Logan having a dinner party where he has his guard down and they see him spending that time with Kerry, Jerri, Frank and Carl and the bullet in the heart of Connor being there when they always assumed they were the favored offspring only to see Connor being included without them. Like that he was included in the light & they were left out in the cold.
The shame of it is that Conner never realizes this. He thinks that because he wasn’t involved in the business that his father favored them.
@@gbeach85 Connor made the right choice because he didn't get pushed into decades of sibling rivalries, which would have pushed him over the edge..
@@TalkSickMass Being kept out of the family dealings wasn’t his choice I don’t think.
Well in a way he was. He was most comfortable amongst lackeys and not rivals. Connor knew many things about him that the others never did.
Yes! Like wasn’t that crazy when they went to the mausoleum and Connor knew all the details. I think he really was the one closest to Logan. Like it’s sad Connor always felt like Logan didn’t love him - or that heartbreaking line in 0403 when he says “he never even liked me” 😢 Connor is so much better off not having gotten involved in all the backstabbing drama.
I love the end scene, how for Kendall, water symbolizes the power and top spot he always wanted to conquer. At season 3 he's almost drowning in the pool, only his pool mattress keeping him afloat. After his successful speech he easily floats in the ocean thinking he's finally learned how to swim in it. The night before the board meeting he's quickly diving in the ocean when Roman and Shiv hesitate on the beach but then join him. And in the end scene he ends up watching the ocean from behind a fence.
That was just great symbolism. I never thought about that.
And the kid that drowned
Yeah what about him driving the car into the water (can’t deal with the power) and confessing and crying by the water? It’s a lot with Kendall and water.
I thought the scene where Roman was saying that stuff about his face not looking that bad and talking about how it "could be him" and then kendall shoving his head into his shoulder and pressing really hard enough to bust his stitches was a way of Kendall saying "no, it's me, it's always me..don't get any ideas, stick with the plan, it can't be you" and then he makes his face look worse. i was hoping for more of a discussion on that scene because it really can be interpreted in a couple different ways. My husband thought something totally different. I really thought it was a way for kendall to "lovingly" (in an abusive embrace) put Roman in his place. And a side note, i think it's fitting that Shiv had the power in the end. If it isn't me, it's none of us. She's been pushed aside the whole time. Pretty awesome.
I'm with you here on the kendall-roman scene. In a way rome almost asks for ken to give him a reason to not be CEO. I think that's why he says 'the stitches don't look so bad, why can't it be me?' Ken then realizing that rome usually seeks abuse as some sort of validation/love proceeds to show that same kind of twisted love Logan had for Roman. And then in the middle of their "hug" Roman accepts it and pushes his head deeper into ken's shoulder even rubbing against it a bit. For Rome, the open stitch is like the visual way to justify why he didn't get the job, kinda like a crutch he can wear to tell himself that's why he lost. But also the perfect encapsulation of why it would have never been him, because he's so broken and bruised as a person already at that point. It's honestly fckn wild....
@@ramdom__ well said!
Darkest moment in the whole series I reckon. So quietly disturbing.
Jesse Armstrong made it very clear to the writers that there is NO transformation arch for these characters. They are not capable of change, so there is no sibling looking out for each other.
That dude who got in the elevator with Kendall at the end and just had that face like “excuse me sorry” I’m like bro where do you have to be so urgently that you’re willing to share an elevator with Kendall right now?? What’s funny is that it was a purposeful decision from the show runners to have that rando get in the elevator as every last frame is meticulously choreographed. Not sure what that was about lol
At that point Kendall was just another guy who had an unsuccessful business meeting. Not the new CEO
@Jay Traverso he was still co ceo (on the way out) and a po'ed billionaire.... unlikely anyone would normally ride an elevator with him you'd think. II was wondering if it was some kind of elevator operator when I was watching it.
The rando in the elevator was Kendall. Not that guy.
Have any of you people ever been in an office building in midtown NYC? You could be in the elevator with a visible gunshot wound and someone would push past you to push the button for the floor they are going to.
Personally, I was super worried about Kendall, considering his history: he had that look in his eyes after the vote. And so I read it as someone (Frank?) sending a rando just so K not be alone
I don’t think Shiv betraying Ken was any one reason:
-Sibling rivalry and jealous of him getting the role
-Ken’s behaviour showing he hasn’t changed (both with feet in the desk and not admitting to the waiter’s murder)
-The angle that Tom would be CEO which is slightly more palatable
-Ken/Rome deciding to announce Menchen, when she was on the opposite political side
I think it’s the sum of those parts which made her decide that way. Curious though that Logan (staying on), Rome (vote of no confidence) and now Shiv (GoJo deal) all blocked Ken from being CEO.
It was not murder. It was an accident. He tried to save the kid.
The ending was so tough but perfect. Left a pit in my stomach.
Ending was a cop out. One of the kids should have gotten it. It was their birth right.
The show is about succession.
Some dude from Lady Gaga videos got it?
This was worse than the Sopranos lights out ending.
@@dukedematteo1995there is no birthright.
@@dukedematteo1995 Birthright doesn’t exist for public companies.
@@dukedematteo1995 the show was about logan's failure to actually raise a suitable successor
@@dukedematteo1995 such a bad take
I don’t think that Caroline saying let it go was as much emotional intelligence as it was just her sick of the kids bickering at her dinner table
Also, as usual, making excuses for why she hadn’t bothered to put together a proper meal for everyone.
So in the end the winners are Tom, Greg and Connor.
Sarah Snook can convey so many emotions at the drop of a hat, she’s fantastic
as a person who just came home from a funeral, watching videos of the recently deceased it totally a thing. and its very real but also Kerry really liked that old man. wow sis. just wow
I think a lot of people are sleeping on the kendall ‘hugging’ roman scene. to me, it’s pretty clear that kendall purposely hurt roman to subdue him as roman was starting to question why it wasn’t him as CEO. It wasn’t roman going in very hard for the hug. Kendall literally actively pushes roman into his shoulder despite roman pushing away, and has no reaction to roman yelling due to his pain. he knows what he’s doing, and i think that is the most disgusting thing kendall has done to his siblings in the show. he knows that abusing roman will shut him up, even flaunting on him when roman votes no at the meeting. from that point i was like fuck kendall lmao
This! That was so cruel and bullying. A real Fredo death kiss moment. Horrifying.
Jeremy strong mentions something like that this is the way they were taught love through Logan's abuse when they were young and its reflected in the hug being somewhat physically painful
have you watched the ending of the last episode? It's what Roman likes, being hurt helps him be "himself" and not worry and crumble like he did at the funeral. He hinted that since the stitches look good he can be the next CEO, almost asking Ken to do what he did. And I don't think that he was trying to get away, instead he pushed into his shoulder like he did when he pushed the crowed into hurting him.
You guys missed it all...
Kendall did that because Roman was worried that he didn't look beat up enough. Right before it, Roman spends a long time complaining that is has totally healed, and it wont look like he went out without a fight.
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This particular podcast was indispensable. I’m not crazy I promise but I’m gonna miss this more than succession
Me too!! Once the show is finished every week I’m then looking forward to Nerd Soup to hear their take mainly it’s a confirmation bias because I agree with everything they say 😂
The Logan scene was there to highlight what the three younger children never got to experience with their dad. They were always outsiders.
Roman basically sums up that Waystar is just one giant macguffin in the show. It does not matter. They are all rich AF and the fate of the company isn't that important. It's just what the Roy siblings wanted to do
My hubby & I believe that Logan Roy won. He wanted to sell his company to GoJo and that is exactly what happened. As Tom said in Season 3 to Kendall, Logan always wins. Kendall was all alone in the end with Colin (Logan's former driver) watching over him; Roman ended up back where he began; and Shiv wanted Tom and had to suck it up and stand with Tom. We noticed Tom extended his hand as he's changed to how Shiv treated Tom over the past 3 season~~their roles are reversed. As far as Greg, it's a shame he didn't get the boot but we believe Mattson and Tom using Greg for anything especially bad with the new merger. Also, I'm sure Greg's salary will be clawed back dramatically as Mattson now knows Greg is a traitor. Great writing by Jess Armstrong and ending this show on a high. We thoroughly enjoyed this show.
Traitor? Without Greg the company wouldn’t have sold. He (at times by accident) caused the final conflict.
Greg is a “Machiavellian f-k”!
Nobody cares about your hubby dude
Logan didn't want to sell ATN, I think he decided on Roman getting it.
in the end, Kendall should have never left the Vulture meeting.
I said just before watching the episode my final prediction was Tom. I knew Matsson would get the deal through so it was down to the best puppet and Greg is too useless and would need way too much direction and Shiv would try to not be a puppet but Tom knows the business well and will happily be the puppet under Matsson because he doesn’t have Shiv’s air of entitlement that the world belongs to her.
I adored the home video of Logan, it brought up the line from Shiv and Tom’s argument a couple episodes back where she blames him for robbing her of those last 6 months they could have had with him and now they’re getting a chance to see it and ponder whether this whole fight has been worth it. It’s also good to see how even a toxic relationship and character can have their good moments to show why all the bad is sometimes overlooked and it helps showcase why Connor is the only Sibling winner.
This show ended perfectly! It has been so long since I've watched a show beginning to end and not been disappointed. All other "saga" series need to take a note from this! This ending was on par for what we've experienced in this universe! I am thoroughly satisfied! 🎉❤
We should've known:
"You have to break a few Greggs to make a Tomelte."
"I love you, but you're not serious people."
The file cabinet guy was my favorite character.
Aaaand, Shiv was known to keeping her options open. I think that she thought that at least if she sticks with Tom, she’s the closest of the siblings to the coveted position. Also, the mention to the bloodline wasn’t innocent. Logan was a antiquated man, he hated Kendall’s kids (and now, unfortunately, we know why: his grand kids weren’t his blood, one adopted and one through sperm donation) and he made some remarks to Tom and shiv indicating that they should get to work to get pregnant. The Logan bloodline will probably continue connected to the company through Tom and Shiv.
Even Madson says it: that he would like continuity, but instead of the “woman with the baby, why not keep the man who put the baby in the woman?”
So sad but so satisfying finale.
It wasn't about keeping her options open....She was pissed and bitter her brother would have the power, and she wouldn't. So she gave away her father's empire to some foreigner who just totally humiliated and used her.
Francisca Piloto You are the first person I’ve seen mention Logan and the grandchildren. Like you say Logan was a very antiquated man and the thing with Kendall’s kids, it explains a lot.
@@fightsports66 thank you! I trully believe that all these characters motivations are way more complex and a rewatch is on my list. What caught may attention was the fact that the writers only tell us these things about Kendal’s kids in the finale. During a spat between the siblings. That plus the Madson line about “the guy who put the baby” makes me think it was not innocent at all. 😃
Things happen for a reason. Logan was not meant to see Tom and Shiv's baby. He could not accept Kendall's children. Fate!
@@dukedematteo1995 Shiv saw that the business was sold to GoJo as her father requested.
The power change between Tom and Shiv was chilling as you see the look on Shiv,s face . She wanted a powerful man so she said but now she has that in Tom she seemed like now she regretted having to play that part
It could not have been anyone else but Tom. He was the devil with his fingers crossed behind his back. That arrogant-ass victory walk to the car, then his flip hand (which he did not embrace Shiv's) signified "I am the man now, Shiv and everything you have said and done will be revisited." Loved it.
I thought we were going to see Kendall jump to his death. It would have been fitting. But i guess they didn't want to go any darker. 😂
My take was that he was longing for his death but his guard would prevent any attempt. So for me it kinda felt like the darkest possible ending for him - wanting to die but not having any power left to do it..
When Mattson calls Greg Judas it made me feel horrible but at the same time was funny af, in the theme of Judas, Jesus did forgive
Forgive Judas so i thought Tom forgiving Greg made sense to me
It made sense dramaturgically
the video of Logan was very important. The kids were united, then they saw their father on the video and you can see first Roman (in particular) and finally Shiv wavering. Seeing him triggers them, and it sets up the final confrontation. They were united until they watched that video.
What an incredible show this was! So satisfying to watch something intelligent and coherent. The ending makes perfect sense for me.
I just realized. Alexander skarsgard is a nepo baby. Very meta.
To be honest, I experienced a lot of schadenfreude watching these horrible, entitled trust fund narcissists undergoing their own form of self destruction. A brilliant exploration of the psychology of power. I couldn't think of a better ending - Tom's rise to power as the ultimate hollow man makes perfect sense.
that is so cringe bro
@@gr3saeyend cool story.
This is Shakespeare level story telling. The ending is the conclusion of the slow cook we have seen over 4 seasons. 3 sibs who entertain a love-hate relation driven by a brutally cold education from a brutal father and broken marriages. They died before their father as human beings, and are in self destruction mode ever since. while it is frustrating the show is over, it makes perfect sense to end on the fact they eventually all die as sibs after having died as being children. What a show.
Now that the series is over, can someone explain to my why Greg thought it made sense to sacrifice a $250 MM inheritance from Ewan to pursue upward mobility within Waystar? How could Greg’s path at Waystar ever result in comparable wealth?
The whole point of the show is that at that level it’s about the power and respect more so than the money. He wants to be in the room with the president and make major decisions that affect others lives like firing a whole team.
Greg can dance had Kendall won our egg would’ve finally gotten parks
When shit like that happens I always have to remind myself it's a tv show.
I guess time. He needs to wait 15 years for his grandfather to die.
It was $50 mil wasn’t it? Not that it matters.
That game 7 metaphor perfectly encapsulates watching this episode
Meanwhile, Nana Pierce, sitting in the well iluminated and aired living room of her country house:
"Hey, yo, you still gonna buy my shit, right? RIGHT?"
My dad has this uncanny knack for guessing the endings of shows and god damnit, he's done it again. What an ending, the entire last hour of this episode had me so on edge that I watched from behind the couch while I paced back and forth across the room. I honestly thought Kendall was going to take that elevator to the roof and just fucking jump. I thought we were in the clear when he pressed 0, and then he started staring at the water real ominously.
Great breakdown, guys. Been a wild ride and glad you were a part of it.
It was the perfect ending “you’re not serious people” 😎
I really liked the video of Logan, you could see even him had a human side. And the fact that connor, the one who didn't have any interest in becoming Logan, was the son who had the closest relation with his dad
There has been no evidence whatsoever that Shiv gives one shit about “saving Kendall from himself”. She flat out doesn’t ever want him to succeed. Ever. There are numerous examples of Shiv doing the most to humiliate and denigrate Ken.
That's all it was. She just didn't want him to get it because he sat on a chair in a way she didn't like....all so some Viking weirdo can take their birthrite.
@@dukedematteo1995 its just that simple. I have never hated a TV character more than in that moment. Just could not stomach her brother getting something she couldn't have.
@@jtmz87 He is a drug addict, a killer and two-faced horrible human being with fragile ego. And yet, you think he deserves something? Why? Non of them did. Thats the whole point. Shiv just told that out loud.
@@dukedematteo1995 their birthright that their own father withheld and tried to sell lol
GOAT INTRO
As much as it hurts to see the kids lose it was perfectly written to just show that they fell back to the insecurities and tendencies that they have been destroying themselves with. It breaks my heart seeing Kendall lose everything, Roman go back to being a jerk off and shiv essentially becoming her mother and a slave to her husband while the kids overall lose their birth right… Logan told them time and time again they are not serious people so it makes sense they imploded it just makes me sad.
I was with Kendall until he started denying the murder. That's what brought the siblings back together last season and for him to say things like "I wasn't even there" "false memoried it" etc pissed me off. No damn integrity or remorse for anything. I wouldn't want my brother to be ceo either if he did that.
shiv bringing this so suddenly wasn't cool at all whey they already talked about this and she dont give a fuck about the waiter lmao but since the beginning was clear that kendall can't have this power on his hand he just cant
@@moonchiId. Exactly....I actually think this was one example of bad writing or plot use and one of a few examples I really didn't enjoy about the finale.
thank you for reviewing this series! I've been looking forward to your videos every week!
Actually it's several things that made Shiv change her mind in that short span of time :
- Kendall's attitude sitting in the chair
- Seeing Roman all bloody after being "comforted" by Kendall
- Kendall LYING to the board that him and Roman locked the GoJo deal when Shiv is the only reason that deal went through (with a massive price increase) .
- Kendall's dismissive and arrogant attitude with the board (let's just skip to the vote..)
The only thing that made her flip in the moment was the realization she had lost and would not get what she wanted. She literally shat all over Ken and Rome in the beginning and even talked crazy about Tom. She is a scorpion who stings people because it's in her nature. Betrayal is her defence mechanism
Kendall didn't know Shiv got the Gojo deal, and she really didn't anyway.
They were trying to tank it, and Mattson upped the offer just to box Kendall and Roman in.
@KingHollow666 Exactly. I'm seeing all these in depth high minded videos about why Shiv did it.
She did it bc she's a miserable twat who couldn't stand that her brother was in the big seat.
@@dukedematteo1995 did you miss the part of their discussion where she straight up tell Mattson that if he upped the price, they will have to accept the deal? Rewatch, she made that deal happen.
@@Timquan. Kendall and Roman have cut Shiv out and betrayed her just as many times as she's betrayed them. The three Roy siblings were trapped in this weird stunted childhood. They made nice at their Mom's house but back in their Dad's seat, it was doomed to fail. There were tons of reasons Shiv flipped but first and foremost as a sibling she could never be the one to give the victory to Kendall. Especially when he is bragging in all their faces. The way Kendall follows her into the conference room continues to escalate and then lies, only further seals the deal. At the end of the day, the poison dripped through. From Logan's uncle to him and then from him to his children. They were his greatest failure but will now endure beyond his now-dead empire.
Always knew the kids were gonna lose so I was just excited how it will go down. I thought Roman would betray Kendall but Shiv doing it instead also makes sense. My favourite ending was Roman's which is what I wanted for Shiv. Tom walking in with his new suit and air of power was perfect. Time for all of them to claim heir Emmys. Thank you for all your insightful recaps.
5:20 is actually when the video starts
That intro 😂😂😂😂
Anywhoo, I mean Shiv did vote no after Ken didn’t give her space to breathe/think, denied killing someone and gas lit them for it, and then proceeded to fight and attack Rome. I feel like if Kendall’s response to her had been different
I felt like it was some Game of Thrones’sh where the true winners were the assistants and the middle-people that helped others rise to the top lol
I actually didn’t mind the scene seeing Logan on the tv screen, just showing how separated the kids were with their father. Great review as always tho guys. Succession will go down as one of the greats.
Shiv wasn't saving Kendall. They're just too much of themselves.
There's a known fable regarding familial relations of the goodfellas members of a family.
The devil comes down and tells brother A: you can have anything you want, but you should know your brother will get twice of what you got. Brother A thinks for a short while, and asks the devil to take out one of his eyes.
The Roys 2023.
Shiv doesn't care about Ken. The writers showed us she was the one wanting to reconcile with Tom, even after all the terrible things he said to her and the power dynamic change. The fact that she'd still gang up with him says exactly how she feels about Ken - it was a F off, daddy style.
Important point on Tom and Greg, and maybe I’m missing nuances about this part of their history, but hear me out. Tom didn’t “take Greg back” after Greg betrayed his trust with the leak about the CEO pick. Greg knows the things Tom knows about the company’s closet full of skeletons because Tom told Greg when he was freaking out about being told himself. Tom has to keep Greg from doing what Greg clearly would do if it meant Greg would benefit: blackmail Tom. Tom can’t send Greg out into the cold because, well, it’s Greg.
Great point
True, but on a more fundamental level, they're pretty much best pals.
@@AdAstra78 they do have qualities in common with each other that none of the other characters do, that’s true
been waiting on this all day
I've canceled my MAX subscription after both Succession and BARRY have ended. And I don't want a S5 of Succession. It would dilute the strength...the awesomeness of this finale. I'm fine with how this story ended; especially for "the kids", "the sibs". Perfect. Chef's kiss.
Gotta disagree about the Ken Roman hug
Ken was pushing Roman down initially but then Roman began to push himself down as well
Kendall was “helping” Roman make his stitches look worse so that it optics wise, Roman wouldn’t look fit enough
He’s helping and comforting his brother but he’s also crushing him and putting him in his place
I agree with Jeremy Strong which what he said in the HBO podcast: he said when they filmed his last scene, he tried to climb over the fence to go into the ocean. (He said Colin ran over to grab him) As the man playing Kendall, he knew him best. I feel they should have gone in that direction. Let Kendall (Jeremy) show what he knows, what he feels.
Exactly, that last shot pissed me off, Kendall would’ve definitely tried to jump in that moment.
ALL HAIL THE DISGUSTING BROTHERS! LONG LIVE THE KING!
What a brilliant perfect ending.
I was looking out for this one 🎉 enjoying this from a subway in Seoul
yes Tom “won” but he’s just a puppet CEO with Mattheson as his boss. Ken wanted to take control back of the company and become a “true” CEO. Also the home video totally fits the vibe of the siblings getting along and remembering their father.
I think a strong ending by the main characters would have been:
1. Kendall ending up on top but seeing what it had required to get there after alienating his wife/children but also his relationship with Shiv and Roman to get there. It would have been powerful combing him finally achieving success of CEO vs the flip side of socially/emotionally what it had cost and will continue to cost him to stay there. Almost opening a new insight into why Logan was potentially the way that he was.
2. Roman realising his heart was never in business (like how he wasnt involved in episode 1 season 1) and finding value in moving away from his fathers power umbrella and focussing on sorting himself out emotionally as he stood out as the one with the most major psychological issues.
3. Shiv I think ended where she should have been. Looking back at all her emotional abuse of Tom, infidelity, backstabbing (could argue all characters did this but she was by far the worst for this) and biggest inflated EGO of having no experience but still expecting the most always over everyone else she finsihed with relationships tattered as well as after all of that being number 2 to Tom who she constantly saw as beneath her and essentially having to bear the consequences of her actions with a huge reality check.
4. Tom and Greg given throughout their twisted stories they were the only characters who stayed truly loyal to someone. Im glad they ended up on top after visibly both fighting their way from the bottom Greg from noting and Tom from nearly going to jail after being lumped with the Cruises scandal. They went through constant put downs by the other characters, always seen as low value but the fact they never allowed their EGOs to take over sense or logic they to an extent deserved the success they ended up with.
Kendall was a complete idiot. In no universe should he ever have been at the top and in control of a corporation with thousands of shareholders and employees whose livelihoods would depend on his decisions. I cant recall a character that could make so many colossally bad decisions over and again while seemingly never learning a thing.
And no one, no one said that it's Connor who's the eldest son!
Loved your reviews of Succession. I think the ending is perfect. Sure, the show led us, slightly, but in the end we know Kendall didn’t deserve top spot. Even though his desperation “this cog this wheel” is the ONLY slot ever for Kendall! Powerful performances & excellent writing. Shiv was a force to watch
Shiv could go back to politics so she won't necessarily "just" be a wife especially if Mencken doesn’t end up winning like she mentioned earlier in the episode. She won't be happy but she has options that Caroline didn't.
It boiled down to Shiv, Roman and Ken as just being mimicry in the play pen of Logan- Where ultimately Shiv and Roman recognised this- and Ken aggressively defended against this Truth- and Ken was just like Icarus - and fell to truth harder than Shiv and Roman. They only communicated as traumatised kids and never trusted the Adult in each other- as they just tore each other down anytime they started to believe they might be capable of being a successor, back to the reality of traumatised kids- which is all they really saw in each other- and the child like love of each other was more of the truth - than their adult parts….
Do we really think Logan is looking down on the kids, and not up?
I can’t lie, for a while there, when Shiv and Roman were talking about killing Kendall, I thought for a brief moment they might, like it wasn’t beyond their realm, they’ve been “killing each other” in the business sense the whole series, and I thought man, they’re gonna drown this dude, knock him out and throw him in the water, how fitting would that be that Kendall’s love for water ends up being his grave, and then it would make the whole waiter death in season one come back full circle, don’t get me wrong I’m very glad it didn’t go that route, prolly woulda been overkill, but still it’s a testament to their dynamics as siblings within this power vacuum where I thought “holy shit they just might”
In a way though they did end up killing Kendall. Those last scenes were so brutal to watch
That was Logan’s dinner that they missed in the premiere
I was rooting for Kendall but very disappointed he didn't once ask Shiv what she wanted for her vote. I get he couldn't give her what she really wanted because they both wanted the same thing but why not at least try to offer something instead of pleading with her to just give it to him because.
I wish I could be watch all of Succession again for the first time.
Have you heard of Lacuna Inc.?
I would love a Shiv-Tom-Greg spin-off. Or generally, any spin-off that can keep us in touch with the characters of this amazing cast & show.
thanks guys
Watching the finale last night I was utterly riveted, but it was only the following morning that I began to come to the conclusion that it was a masterpiece. As with any great story that manages to stay true to its themes and characters through to its ending, in retrospect the conclusion of “Succession” feels inevitable, and for all the internet speculation over Gerri or Connor or even Greg wearing the crown, it all ended the way it had to end. Everyone loses, including Tom, who will spend his days and nights and weekends catering to the whims of a man who has made it clear to him that he got the job not for his business acumen, but for his value as a human shield. (Also, too, he’d like to screw his wife, which might be awkward if she worked for him.) They lose not because they deserve to, but because the manner of their losing was inherent in the way they had lived their lives; in the kind of people they had chosen to be. And it was sheer poetry to have Roman, the most damaged Roy who spent four years deflecting everything with biting sarcasm, be the one to voice the final, awful, simple truth: “We’re all bullshit.”
Is it weird that I had some real anxiety during that ocean scene that Kendall was going to get taken out by a shark? Lol. I knew it was ridiculous and would be such a dumb thing, but I kept expecting Shiv and Roman to look back while on the coast and be like, “Oh fuck, where’s Kendall?” Or just a background shot of a shark silently yoinking him off the buoy lol.
Abject wrong take regarding the video footage scene. The whole point about that was to show that this was a side to their father that they'd never truly experienced. They'd always been outside the room, being kids. Even Connor enjoyed a relationship with him that they weren't privy to.