@@ryanho228 Gilbert Arenas was an excellent player. A terrific scorer. Maybe top 60 players I've ever seen. But Jokic might be in the top 6 I've ever seen. I think there's a little " who do these white guys think they are? This is our game" Mentality here. And you have to remember the 400 years of oppression so I'm allowed to hate on them. Yada. Yada.
@Wheresthelove7 you're kinda overrating Gil tbh, and I'm not a hater at all. He was a great scorer during his prime, but he wasn't a winning player. They had some fine teams, especially relative to the league at the time, but he never made any real noise in the postseason. He's a lot like Steve Francis was in his prime - great regular season scorer, but not what makes up a winning player. For a franchise, he's a good guy to have to sell some tickets, but he isn't gonna win you anything serious. Top 60 for that kinda guy kinda crazy.
To my knowledge, No Skill Gil didn't mention Jokic breaking Lebroom's record for total regular season and playoff triple doubles. He ignores Jokic shooting 58% from the field while averaging a triple double. I've never heard Lebron fanboys say Lebron needed to average a near triple double to win mvp because he never did. Jokic literally averaged a triple double against Lebroom. Lol
@@psychedelicvault6951 In today's game triple doubles are overrated because how offenses play today with the ball dominance you see. The true triple double was Oscar Robertson. .Porzingis told a fellow player not to go play at dallas as it is bad to play with Doncic. We have all played with people like that in pickup and it sucks. What was way more interesting than the all-star game was the celebrity all star, game.. First off CJ stroud and Micah parson's are not celebrities they are professional athletes. All the players were playing like today's pro's. All three point chucking. Like in my time we tried to play like the pro's. Unless you are shooting about 37% it is better to take a 2 point shot. Most peole can not shoot 37% so it would be wiser to take a 2 point shot. BUT NO let's chuck. These young people don't know how to play basketball and set up an offense where you can score on a 2 point shot. It is boring and dumb basketball. Even toady's pro's can't runa a 2 point play with 10 seconds left in the game. This is bad basketball Finally, you can play basketball with limited dribbling like Havlicek, Bradley, McMillan and Marin did.
The same things bug me as well. There will be 14 seconds on the clock and you got these mf's shooting 3's a meter behind the line. When I played, we'd get subbed out for that even if we made the shot.@@Gnofg
Success breeds jealousy. Don’t see MJ or Kobe being jealous of anyone. Magic and Larry and Hakeem and Duncan, all of the greats don’t ever become jealous of others success. but the BUMS like perkins and gil, they feel threatened by the success of todays players because it threatens their legacy
And these men hating on Doncic and Jokic and Sabonis when they are accomplishing more than they ever will. Especially Doncic who is on his way to becoming the greatest ever. Jordan and LeBron greater now. Hearing Porkins talk about him is embarrassing
@@Wheresthelove7 nah mate stop it right there. Doncic is a great player, but he is not on MJ level AT ALL. I like watching Luka but I was a teen when MJ played and watched him during his era just as I am watching Luka now and there is no indication yet that he will be at GOAT level anytime soon. I would compare him more to James Harden. A very strong unique offensive talent who will have an absolute tear for a span of years... we will see what comes out of it, but I have not yet seen that winner mentality from him so far.
@@MrSheduur OK. Pro rate those stats over a 18-20 year career. He's 25. Better passer and rebounder than MJ right now! Jordan superior defender. Never argue that. Scoring has increased every year. Conditioning improved every year. Shooting improving every year. Extrapolate scoring increases of 2 pts a year. I know that's an anomaly but at this pace 38 pts per game before he's 30 years old. No man Jordan didn't win championship for a long time before he became the GOAT. Give him time.
@kintarooe7745 Dude you're a casual stop the race bait because No Black Athlete Is hating on a white athlete because Black Athletes have always been Superior
Gilbert arenas' opinion shouldnt be this analyzed by the internet. He's not that important of a former player to where what he says is supposed to trigger us. We all know jok is an all time great and if he was black, he would be treated differently. Its racism and i cant wait till a guy like reddick calls out the media again like he did last year because the disrespect has got to stop
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mExactly But Hey Its Not Their Fault that Black Players Wanna Be Flashy Over Effective These Other Players Outside of America are All About PLAYING The Right Way
And We NEED More of That That Way We See Who Really is About it The Levels and Gap Between Flopping Players like Harden Who Wanna Play Iso Every Play But Give Up 2 3 4 Easy Point Plays
@@Chuck_EL True. But honestly let them deal with their business amongst themselves. But when they started saying they were gonna jump Jokic in the locker room. I got pissed. Joker has gotta be the most likable guys ever.
I don't even think people are losing their minds over the triple-doubles of Jokic and Luka - they are just praising how good they are. I believe Sabonis leads the league in triple-doubles, and he was overlooked for the ASG. His entire premise is false, along with all the dumb, non-factual arguments.
Should it even matter anymore? I mean with the amount of points being scored and shots being missed, assists, points and rebounds should be easy to come by. Scoring 120, 130 points a night. Everyone should have a trip dub.
Sabonis got all NBA, which is where the money is at, but Sabonis will probably take a discount just like Kawhi & Kyrie. The collective bargaining is only a problem with three without a discount. That is why Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal have budget constraints. That is why Marcus Smart was traded after winning supermax eligibility in the defensive player of the year, but extended 3rd team all NBA Jaylen Brown. The main idea is that Gilbert doesn't know the supermax is not automatically guaranteed if the team has the right to compromise or trade.
LMAOOOOO, every non casual NBA fan knows the difference between Westbrook’s TD and Jokic/Luka TDs. The eye test alone is more than enough, I saw Steven Adams back off of boards to allow Westbrook to eat them rebounds (so he can pad his stats), whereas Jokic will finish with a 10-10-10 game and still dominate.
I’m a Nuggets fan, and I watched Westbrook let Gary Harris hit a game winner on him when he had 9 rebounds. Bro left Gary wide open to stand under the basket…. Gilbert is such a twat
If we’re being fair Adam’s backing off rebounds set a new trend in the nba of allowing guards to grab the rebound for a faster transition game. Westbrooks real problem is that he would consistently give up a box out to try and get the board
@@Qwertyuiop-my2wz I agree with you on the “allow guards to start a fast break” trend. But my point was more so, Adam’s wouldn’t even attempt to reach for the rebound but would instead JUST box out his opponent to allow Russ to grab them, which deflated his overall rebounding stats. Adam’s averaged 6.7 rebounds per game Russ’ first triple double season, and we all know Adams is a BEAST on the boards
Adams rebounding stats went up as soon as he wasn't a teammate of Westbrook and he was definitely deferring to Westbrook when it came to collecting rebounds.
exactly it don’t matter if you don’t win that’s why we don’t dick ride Russell Westbrook yea a triple double season cool but did he win. Even wemby understands this just entering the league you have to win.
Bro Jokic has more games where he missed one or two rebounds or assists then he has games with triple doubles is 100 +, and in those games he went on the bench and he had two three four five minutes in 4/4 that he didn't play. If he was chasing triple doubles he could have broken record last year easy... end of debate!❤
Yep. Jokic doesn't give a rat's ass about individual stats, just winning. There are many times a game where he allows teammates to get what should be "his" rebound. Guy passes up open shots he could easily make for better ones. If Jokic were a stat padder, Ala LeFraud, he'd average 40/20/20 or even better. His numbers come organically and he's a big picture seer. Anyone who doesn't see this is clearly biased.
I hope they express ‘They Feelins’ one on one to the right white guy some day. :) Not to a 150lb Skip Bayless… but to someone like one of Jokic’s brothers. Lol Let’s see how that goes. I Despise turds like Perkins and Gil.
"A reflection of himself" I watch basketball because it's a team sport - different pieces working in unison, with individual flair. NOT BECAUSE "Most of the players share my skin colour, thus, I get some kind of bragging rights"
Because the loudest voices in the room always control the narrative. Just look at American politics. It’s about getting people to remember and emotionally respond to what you’re saying, not so much giving a correct or nuanced take
Being loud is ingrained in American culture. Not historically knowledgeable enough to point to a time and place that would’ve started it. But we’re definitely at least in a general sense a loud people.
Luka & Jokic kill the modern "bigger, faster, more athletic/superior" narrative.Those guys are killing the league with old school "plumber" athleticism.Gilbert Arenas is a troll, tho.Agent of chaos.Russ was truly a stat padder.He never had the overall impact of Luka & Jokic.Luka almost dragged a mediocre Mavs team to the NBA Finals.We all saw what Jokic did last year.These two guys a celing raisers.I never felt that way about Russ.He was spectacular, but not better, or more impactful than Luka & Doncic.And I say that as a black man.
Luka and Jokic have a combined 15 seasons in the NBA, and only one championship between the both of them, this is exactly what Gilbert Arenas is talking about.
@Biostalker420 it's not racism Black Athletes have always been better than white athletes and everybody knows Jokic is the worst MVP since Steve nash won it twice
Jokic and Luka being good at basketball bothers and makes guys like Gilbert arenas and others feel uncomfortable, Gilbert arenas has been taking shots at those guys for the last couple of years, and for him to pretend that Russell Westbrook didn't get rewarded with an MVP for averaging a triple double makes it clear this is about race and not basketball!
What bothers Gilbert Arenas is Jokic and Luka having a combined 15 seasons between them, and only one championship between the two of them, the criteria seems to be different for them, for everyone else multiple championships have to be produced,
@@faitaccompli5878 I mean Wemby hasn't even done anything and people glaze there hearts out over him lol Luka has more 30 point triple doubles than LeBron and he's only 25 years old lol tf you smoking???
Joker is legit. He went to school and learnt all his basics. And now the best big man in the game. World wide. Love him or hate him. He a great player with a savage basketball IQ.
Steve Adam’s average 7.7 rebounds per game while Westbrooks 10 rebounds in the same team lol not calling Westbrook stat pad but something doesn’t add up here
Defensive rebounds don't actually mean shit that's why. People getting defensive rebounds aren't challenging for the ball they're standing under the hoop doing jack all 🤭.
@nkosiamakosi7078 Exactly this. LeBron does the same. Defensive rebounds are a kind of a pointless stat. Offensive rebounds are still worth counting. But unless it's converted into points then it doesn't carry much weight. Just because you got the ball doesn't mean you did anything with it.
The more he trashes Jokic the more people are gonna support Jokic. People support Jokic and Doncic knowing they are humble, normal. If you have a good heart you'll support those who are alike, dividing people is never a good thing, it only isolates people.
The difference between Westbrook's triple doubles and jokic triple doubles is that his amounted to winning basketball and Westbrook's didn't. And this is coming from a Westbrook stand.
Tbh both are wrong, I watched every single okc game in the 2016-17 season and I don't really remember the stat now but okc won most of the games where russ had a triple double, and the same happened the previous season when he had like 18TD's or so. I agree russ's playstyle specially since he left okc hurt his teams a bit but when he got a triple double it usually led to winning
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m can't argue that much but anyway the view on Westbrook got distorted for the last few years which were terrible and some clips of his teammates letting him the rebounds. Those who watched the his entire mvp season know his triple doubles helped to winning games and he was playing out of his mind, every game there were a few offensive rebounds from westbrook fighting against the tallest players of the opposite team and he still caught those rebounds. They also most of the games got outscored whenever Westbrook was benched, it was tough to watch without him
The only people hating Jokic's are the players that were never the best but felt they were. All the actual top former players love the guy and harp about him.
Joker's advanced stats are crazy as hell. He is one of the greatest offensive players in NBA history. Not only himself has high efficiency, he could actually make his team better. Those people just want to create some "views" to make money.
NBA fans who understand the game on both ends of the court genuinely appreciate the talent possessed by the Joker. Those who criticize him are often individuals who did not have a successful career themselves. When people like Stephen A. Smith attack players like Luka, it is best to take their words with a grain of salt, as Luka will continue to excel. Larry Bird is a prime example of this; I recall his altercation with Isaiah Thomas, but at the end of the day, Larry was a great player. Luka will undoubtedly be among the greats, and the only people bringing up race are those who wish they had the same level of talent. If Luka were a free agent, Smith would beg him to come to New York.
First time in my life I'd ever heard that "stat" Gilbert was talking about. I don't think anyone on the couch ever heard it up until then.. But it's discriminatory that this stat, made up in 2024, wasn't applied to Westbrook back in 2017? That's brilliant logic, Gil!
People like Arenas don’t understand basketball. They understand athleticism. The reason Luka and Jocic are killing these guys is because they understand the game, the fundamentals, and the nuances. Surprise….you don’t have to jump out of the building or have 4.3 speed to beat people. You need to know the game, you need heart and competitiveness, mental toughness, fundamentals and of course a certain amount of athleticism. These two have all that in spades. Now imagine a guy who possessed all of this, jumped out of the building, ran like a gazelle, had perfect fundamentals, work ethic, understood the game, had unmatched competitiveness and the mental toughness to take physical beatings…oh…there was someone like that…the GOAT
I don't love Jokic because I'm a white dude and so is he, I love him because he's both crazy talented and a true team player with zero ego. He's one of the genuine good guys who also happens to be supremely entertaining to watch. That's all I ever want out of a pro athlete. Same reasons apply to Doncic.
True, but he needs to be called out. The fact dude spews as much xenophobic shit as he has (a TON of it) and has not really been called out by someone in the national media is a joke. Shannon Sharpe, Dan Patrick, etc....they also still have this dude on their shows.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 The irony is, most of the "newmedia" came to be, because old media had outrageous takes , yet here we see six years on, newmedia has more outrageous takes than old media. Like regular world media, everything has turned to clickbait. "King Charles has a secret new mistress" is it true? Heck no, but still publish it it will generate clicks.
It's so easy to find true stat padding that i'm still wonder why nobody pointing on that - turnovers or shooting %. Westbrook won his MVP having one of the ugliest shooting % of all MVPs and #2 turnovers per game ALL TIME. Russ is not just a stat padder he is a stat padding GOAT, and that is what Jokic/Doncic would never achieve - crazy 5.4 turnover per game and 42.5%
It is just funny to me that people like Arenas and Perkins have this whole weirdness about Jokic and it is pretty clear that Nikola really doesnt give a shit about it at all. Like their takes are totally divorced from reality and are just on their little delusional island. Another Nuggets title will be so sweet. I am getting a feeling it is just inevitable too. Maybe I will be wrong, but I just think it is coming.
Something tells me that Joker will use it to respond with sarcasm to a stupid journalist one day.. We'll laugh. Whe say in France, parodying Mr Lavoisier's famous phrase :"nothing is lost, everything is picked up" and Joker is a specialist in this area.. 😂😂 The real sentence " nothing is lost, everything is transformed" also work with Joker by the way.. 😂😂😂
The definition of statpadding is one having good individual stats that do not translate to team success. Russ never led his teamS to ANY success, despite having multiple AllTime supporting cast throughout most of his career. Dude played with LeBron, KD, Harden, Kawhi and won exactly nothing. Russ won his MVP title when he averaged triple double despite being 6th seed. Jokic was robbed of his MVP because of media narrative when he almost averaged triple double Despite being #1 seed.
BECAUSE RUSSELL WESTBROOK WAS PROVEN TO BE A STAT PADDER IN 2017. WHEN HE TEAMMATES WERE ALL CAUGHT IN REPLAY AFTER REPLAY GIVING UP SHOTS OR REBOUNDS TRYING TO CLEAR THE WAY FOR WESTBROOK TO PAD HIS STATS.
there's two stats he ignores when comparing Luka and Jokic to Westbrook: FG% and turnovers. and also, yknow, championships. not surprising. he didn't care about those things when he was a player, why would he care now?
Gilbert arenas (in an era that was 'more physical' and defense-focused) had a defensive rating of 109. The lower the number, the better. Nikola Jokic, on the other hand, has a defensive rating of 107. Giannis has a 105. Dirk had a 104. Manu had a 100. Arvydas Sabonis had a 97. What the hell is Arenas talking about?
Gilbert still has that woe is me mentally. Its actually quite sad. Dude made over $163 million. Now has a net worth of$20‐$45 million.. probably mad also from the fact that Joker bested Lebron. Something he couldnt do.
I love reformed Brodie, but he was very inefficient in the years he was in the mvp convo, which did not seem to take away his shine in the media as much as it should have. Obviously some of his teammates were afraid to get a rebound that could possibly go to Brodie, because his hype was really all they had going as a team. This is not anything like how Jokic is getting his stats. Jokic is the definition of efficiency, getting his in the flow, and really making those around him better, and maybe more important, not making those around him worse. He is the star and the glue guy all at the same time.
It’s always been like this. I grew up in the 80s. Larry Bird is loved by a lot of black people now, but during his playing days in the 80s, a lot of black people resented him. I’m seeing the same thing with Luka and Joker these days. This shit is so tired.
That Gilbert Arenas quote is gold. "They manipulate everything so that its something." That is 99.9% of NBA RUclips coverage. The games and league doesn't really matter much any more. The narrative about the games and the league is what matters. The NBA, I would say, is on the cutting edge of the sports world. They are moving from being a league about competition to a league about sports/gambling entertainment and soap opera drama. This is why players/commentators aren't so fond of Luka and Jokic. Those two don't care about the narrative/sports-entertainment, part of the league. Many current players are looking to the "after career" hustle right now. Being controversial, staying relevant in the public eye, gaining wealth after their career is over. I know that Jokic doesn't care about that at all.
Russell Westbrook's triple-doubles were monitored every single game that season. ESPN was tracking and covering it non-stop. His team was mid, but Russ won MVP solely because he was the first person to average a triple-double in a season since Oscar Robertson. Why do I know that stat? Because it was shoved down our throats for an entire season.
If anyone was stat padding, it was Westbrook. He is a 6’4” point guard crashing the boards. PGs aren’t supposed to be crashing the boards. That’s the role of Centers and PFs. Jokic is a center.
there are people on this planet who love to watch talented players with above average basketball iQ...not just muscular players who jump, fly and dunk...pretty simple right? Jokic is an above-average talented basketball player with an above-average basketball IQ ... Arenas does not understand that, it is another dimension for him ... someone with a basketball IQ of 35 cannot comment on a player with a basketball IQ of 135 ... :))
Jokic is already a champion because he is a triple double machine, and he deserves to be acknowledged by the world. I say let them hate on it, but I think they're missing an opportunity to enjoy what's special and great in today's NBA.
Seriously black NBA players need to let this ish go 🤦🏽♂️ don't nobody in our community thinks there's a great white hope narrative but these dudes. Y'all dominated the league for nearly 40 years straight with only one real white GOAT eligible player popping up in that span (Larry Bird) but suddenly when 3 of the top 5 players in the world are European and two of those 3 being white this fragile ego can't let you acknowledge their greatness? In a few years it'll go back to it's usual, nobody here actually thinks white people will suddenly start dominating across the board. Instead of saying it's a race thing they need to look at WHY suddenly the Europeans seem to be taking over in such a short span of time. Look into how they train their players, how they set them up in sports academies, how they've been playing with grown professional men since their teen years and you'll start to understand that our grip on basketball has loosened slightly because while they were innovating new training methods and have dozens of semipro leagues our system hasn't changed since the 80s besides bringing in the g league 🤷🏽♂️
yeah gil was pretty obvious about his hate by comparing a guy who was stat padding to the point of yelling at his team mates about not letting him get the rebounds or shoot the ball as soon as he passes it so he can get an assist and a guy who is doing only what he thinks benefits the team and his triple doubles just being basically accidental outcomes of his overall play
Russell's career eFG is 10% lower than Nikola. This is the biggest single difference to me, that makes me value a guy like Nikola's almost triple dub more so than RW's. Winning, efficient basketball as opposed to whatever you would like to call under 50% eFG
Westbrook and Luka is literally statpad kings ngl just watch the games and not stats the teams literally box out or let the ball go so Westbrook or luka can get it. Watch the films
Funny. If white guys who are averaging near triple doubles was truly over promoted by the the media. Then Gil would’ve heard through all the hype that Domantas Sabonis leads the league in triple doubles and is close to averaging one. Even more damaging to that narrative is that Sabonis was snubbed for the all star game despite his near averaging triple double numbers
It feels like projection. It is Arenas who is trying to downplay Jokic and Doncic. Is it really because they are such fans of Westbrook? Feels more like they resent these guys.
Great vid as always. The only thing I disagree with is calling Gil an analyst… he’s a podcaster. And we can all be thankful he hasn’t been entirely picked up by any major networks and that his only real following are casual hoop fans that don’t really know all that much about the games history at all
Refresh my memory how many Rings & MVP's did "Agent 0" win? Isnt he the idot that was kicked off the Wizards for pulling a gun on a teammate in the lockeroom over a gambling debt?
It's funny how they don't nit pick with LeBum.... Consecutive double digit games while he sitting out every 2 games.... Do they not understand wtf consecutive means. Resting every couple games make it that much easier to keep ya stats to a point.
There's no question Westbrook was stat-padding. There's tons of easily proven examples of it, where he'd change his play style late in a game just to get that last assist. In simple terms, he has way more 10 assist games than 9 assist games. Statistically that just doesn't make sense. Further deep dives into his shot charts showed that his shot selection changed drastically when he was at 9 assists. So obviously the guy was watching the scoreboard more than the game in front of him, and padding.
4:36 That’s a perfect shot of that game winner from Luka. The shot goes up, you see the scoreboard, see the scores and time winding down, follow the shot into the basket for the win. Bravo to whoever filmed that 👏
Jokic & Luka (heck we'll throw in Embiid & the Greek Freak) vs Team USA. This is not about the game but a jolt reaction to racism when America should celebrate it cause this means America can focus on other things cause the world's got your back.
I like Russell Westbrook, and I hate how he got dragged by Gilbert on this shit. I hate how Russell gets hate from ESPN then suddenly gets portrayed as a martyr when they talk about Joker.
In 2015-2017, the media were hyping up Lebron and Steph. Westbrook came 3rd or 4th or further down the list. In 2024, there is no player like 2015-2017 Lebron and Steph, and therefore they need to hype the new stars, like Jokic, Luka, Ant, Wemby etc.
Jokic is the opposite of a stat padder. They could try and claim luka is, but we know for a fact that Westbrick was one. Not only that, he's not a likeable guy. How many fans phones has he destroyed. I mean he actually should have been arrested several times for that. but the media actually sided with him each time.
I don't think is question of White VS Black Players, it's more a question of American Players and The Media accepting a foreign player especially European being better than their own talent. And You know what? They will eventually have to accept the fact that an European Superstar can be better than An American one. IF The FIBA World Cup USA results were not wake up calls to the arrogant media, I don't what will.
@@mosessupposes2571 I'll say a bit more clearly my friend. They will accept Webowaya as long as he doesn't pose a threat to American Superstars. Once he becomes a threat the media will start eating him alive too. It is a question of American dominance over A World one especially if it's a European. Why Tony Parker was accepted? Because in the middle of a great career he was labelled than any of the great guards of his era including Allen Iverson.
Westbrook's triple doubles were stat padded, and the media, with the exception of 2 people, were all pretending that they didn't know this to be true. He was praised by everyone except 2 guys who were proven correct in the long run. The MVP award was typically tied to individual performance + team success. It went to the best performing player whose performance was contributing to a top team. They ignored this and gave Russ the MVP because everyone was feeling bad about KD leaving. Oscar Robertson was the first to average a TD while scoring 30ppg and he finished 3rd in MVP voting. The MVP went to Bill Russell instead, who averaged 18.9ppg. If being the first does not earn you an MVP, then it makes no sense for you to win MVP for being the second. You know it was padded stats for Russ because he never did it while KD was there. If playing that way translated to winning basketball, they would have had him doing that while KD was in OKC. But his style of play did not allow for teammates to get in rhythm. He would often stop passing to teammates who were hot and lose games in the 4th quarter playing hero ball and his supporters would point to the 4th quarter scoring of his teammates while ignoring the fact that Russ was the one who took away their opportunities to score on the 4th. If averaging a TD was ever as great an accomplishment as they made it seem that one season, Oscar would've been MVP the year he did it first and Russ would have continued to win MVP every year that he averaged a TD after that first year. The reason it only earned him 1 MVP was because it was a sympathy MVP. KD left, and that entire year was about how GS ruined the NBA, KD was a "cupcake," and "omg, Westbrook is averaging a TD." A few ppl pointed out the obvious. He was chasing those TDs and they were not going to win in the playoffs playing like that. Paul George should have been enough help for Russ to get past round 1. Instead Rookie Donovan Mitchell bounced em out the 1st round. The next year, Dame Time only let Mr Triple Double win 1 game before sending them home with a clutch "bad shot" according to Paul George.
I didn't hear anyone say Russ was stat padding. Jokic is barely ever mentioned without some criticism being included. Whether his defense, he's slow, etc.
Gilbert Arenas has more arrests than playoff series wins.
😂😂😂
Probably series played!
how good was he? i don't recall when was his prime?
😂😂😂😂 ra6..
@@ryanho228 Gilbert Arenas was an excellent player. A terrific scorer. Maybe top 60 players I've ever seen. But Jokic might be in the top 6 I've ever seen. I think there's a little " who do these white guys think they are? This is our game"
Mentality here. And you have to remember the 400 years of oppression so I'm allowed to hate on them. Yada. Yada.
@Wheresthelove7 you're kinda overrating Gil tbh, and I'm not a hater at all. He was a great scorer during his prime, but he wasn't a winning player. They had some fine teams, especially relative to the league at the time, but he never made any real noise in the postseason. He's a lot like Steve Francis was in his prime - great regular season scorer, but not what makes up a winning player. For a franchise, he's a good guy to have to sell some tickets, but he isn't gonna win you anything serious. Top 60 for that kinda guy kinda crazy.
I will never understand how Kendrick Perkins faced literally 0 backlash for his racism
Disney protected him.
He did, by the public. Just not in the mainstream. The divide between the two continues to grow
Because he’s black and a victim lol
How?…… he’s black .That means priveleged in degrading western society, unfortunately I’m part of it
Black privilege. That’s how.
Gil is still mad salty about how Jokic and his team dismantled the Lakers last year in the playoffs 4-0 and 3 more times since then 😂😂😂
To my knowledge, No Skill Gil didn't mention Jokic breaking Lebroom's record for total regular season and playoff triple doubles. He ignores Jokic shooting 58% from the field while averaging a triple double. I've never heard Lebron fanboys say Lebron needed to average a near triple double to win mvp because he never did. Jokic literally averaged a triple double against Lebroom. Lol
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And Joker avg. TD in the series😂. Actually he put on them a lot of TDs
@@psychedelicvault6951 In today's game triple doubles are overrated because how offenses play today with the ball dominance you see. The true triple double was Oscar Robertson.
.Porzingis told a fellow player not to go play at dallas as it is bad to play with Doncic.
We have all played with people like that in pickup and it sucks.
What was way more interesting than the all-star game was the celebrity all star, game.. First off CJ stroud and Micah parson's are not celebrities they are professional athletes. All the players were playing like today's pro's. All three point chucking. Like in my time we tried to play like the pro's. Unless you are shooting about 37% it is better to take a 2 point shot. Most peole can not shoot 37% so it would be wiser to take a 2 point shot. BUT NO let's chuck. These young people don't know how to play basketball and set up an offense where you can score on a 2 point shot. It is boring and dumb basketball.
Even toady's pro's can't runa a 2 point play with 10 seconds left in the game. This is bad basketball Finally, you can play basketball with limited dribbling like Havlicek, Bradley, McMillan and Marin did.
The same things bug me as well. There will be 14 seconds on the clock and you got these mf's shooting 3's a meter behind the line. When I played, we'd get subbed out for that even if we made the shot.@@Gnofg
All these guys hating on a man who's accomplished more than most of them in his NBA career.
Success breeds jealousy.
Don’t see MJ or Kobe being jealous of anyone. Magic and Larry and Hakeem and Duncan, all of the greats don’t ever become jealous of others success.
but the BUMS like perkins and gil, they feel threatened by the success of todays players because it threatens their legacy
@@steviechampagneWhat legacy does Perk and Gil have? There are like hundreds of players with better resumes than theirs. 😂
And these men hating on Doncic and Jokic and Sabonis when they are accomplishing more than they ever will.
Especially Doncic who is on his way to becoming the greatest ever. Jordan and LeBron greater now. Hearing Porkins talk about him is embarrassing
@@Wheresthelove7 nah mate stop it right there. Doncic is a great player, but he is not on MJ level AT ALL. I like watching Luka but I was a teen when MJ played and watched him during his era just as I am watching Luka now and there is no indication yet that he will be at GOAT level anytime soon. I would compare him more to James Harden. A very strong unique offensive talent who will have an absolute tear for a span of years... we will see what comes out of it, but I have not yet seen that winner mentality from him so far.
@@MrSheduur OK. Pro rate those stats over a 18-20 year career. He's 25. Better passer and rebounder than MJ right now! Jordan superior defender. Never argue that. Scoring has increased every year. Conditioning improved every year. Shooting improving every year. Extrapolate scoring increases of 2 pts a year. I know that's an anomaly but at this pace 38 pts per game before he's 30 years old. No man Jordan didn't win championship for a long time before he became the GOAT. Give him time.
most black players just hate on white superstars. they dont want to join their teams and so on. its hilarious.
Ironic that the biggest black supremacist in the league plays in Boston and the second biggest plays with Luka
@kintarooe7745 Dude you're a casual stop the race bait because No Black Athlete Is hating on a white athlete because Black Athletes have always been Superior
@@chrilpyLebron's teams historically also have very few international players
@@chrilpy You mean Jayson Tatum? How is he a black supremist? LOL
@@malikwilson7387 not in a real sport like Football (not american football) is, black players aren't usually dominant
Gilbert arenas' opinion shouldnt be this analyzed by the internet. He's not that important of a former player to where what he says is supposed to trigger us. We all know jok is an all time great and if he was black, he would be treated differently. Its racism and i cant wait till a guy like reddick calls out the media again like he did last year because the disrespect has got to stop
They don’t like it because Jokic, and Luka don’t fit the mold and narrative
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mExactly
But Hey
Its Not Their Fault that Black Players Wanna Be Flashy Over Effective
These Other Players Outside of America are All About PLAYING The Right Way
And We NEED More of That
That Way We See Who Really is About it
The Levels and Gap Between Flopping Players like Harden Who Wanna Play Iso Every Play But Give Up 2 3 4 Easy Point Plays
Dont you know that 360 no look jams are worth 10 pts and old school layups are 2@@housesavagemafia7504
nothing will happen to Gilbert or any black commentators, their complexion is their protection...
Gilbert is the worst, hes horrible for basketball and all he does is tear down people to elevate people he likes.
he’s the biggest Lebron glazer i’ve ever seen. he wants that Daddy klutch money😅
Black fragility HAS to stop in the NBA, it's becoming embarrassing.
Facts
And Their Flopping
I'm Black and I agree. They act like it's the end of the world if a white person is good at something. It's crazy
They like to act all tough and gangster but then whine about everything. So cringy
Just in the nba tho?
Gilbert is best remembered for bringing a fucking gun into the locker room.
That and then doing “finger guns” during a pregame mocking the then allegations. Dude was dumb as fuck then and he’s even dumber now.
On other black men too
@@Chuck_EL 🎯
@@Chuck_EL😂😂😂
@@Chuck_EL True. But honestly let them deal with their business amongst themselves. But when they started saying they were gonna jump Jokic in the locker room. I got pissed. Joker has gotta be the most likable guys ever.
I don't even think people are losing their minds over the triple-doubles of Jokic and Luka - they are just praising how good they are. I believe Sabonis leads the league in triple-doubles, and he was overlooked for the ASG. His entire premise is false, along with all the dumb, non-factual arguments.
Should it even matter anymore? I mean with the amount of points being scored and shots being missed, assists, points and rebounds should be easy to come by. Scoring 120, 130 points a night. Everyone should have a trip dub.
yup NBA always praised historic performances by superstars lol idk why it make gil mad
Sabonis got all NBA, which is where the money is at, but Sabonis will probably take a discount just like Kawhi & Kyrie.
The collective bargaining is only a problem with three without a discount.
That is why Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal have budget constraints.
That is why Marcus Smart was traded after winning supermax eligibility in the defensive player of the year, but extended 3rd team all NBA Jaylen Brown.
The main idea is that Gilbert doesn't know the supermax is not automatically guaranteed if the team has the right to compromise or trade.
You all should feel this black animosity and realize something more than “hating on a white boy playing ball” is happening.
LMAOOOOO, every non casual NBA fan knows the difference between Westbrook’s TD and Jokic/Luka TDs. The eye test alone is more than enough, I saw Steven Adams back off of boards to allow Westbrook to eat them rebounds (so he can pad his stats), whereas Jokic will finish with a 10-10-10 game and still dominate.
I’m a Nuggets fan, and I watched Westbrook let Gary Harris hit a game winner on him when he had 9 rebounds. Bro left Gary wide open to stand under the basket…. Gilbert is such a twat
If we’re being fair Adam’s backing off rebounds set a new trend in the nba of allowing guards to grab the rebound for a faster transition game. Westbrooks real problem is that he would consistently give up a box out to try and get the board
@@Qwertyuiop-my2wz I agree with you on the “allow guards to start a fast break” trend. But my point was more so, Adam’s wouldn’t even attempt to reach for the rebound but would instead JUST box out his opponent to allow Russ to grab them, which deflated his overall rebounding stats. Adam’s averaged 6.7 rebounds per game Russ’ first triple double season, and we all know Adams is a BEAST on the boards
Adams rebounding stats went up as soon as he wasn't a teammate of Westbrook and he was definitely deferring to Westbrook when it came to collecting rebounds.
Yes he did. They made sure he had every opportunity to get it instead of in the effort of trying to win games.
Jokic did more last year then GIlbert did in his entire career.
exactly it don’t matter if you don’t win that’s why we don’t dick ride Russell Westbrook yea a triple double season cool but did he win. Even wemby understands this just entering the league you have to win.
Ya but, can joker shoot straight?
Bro Jokic has more games where he missed one or two rebounds or assists then he has games with triple doubles is 100 +, and in those games he went on the bench and he had two three four five minutes in 4/4 that he didn't play. If he was chasing triple doubles he could have broken record last year easy... end of debate!❤
Yep. Jokic doesn't give a rat's ass about individual stats, just winning. There are many times a game where he allows teammates to get what should be "his" rebound. Guy passes up open shots he could easily make for better ones. If Jokic were a stat padder, Ala LeFraud, he'd average 40/20/20 or even better. His numbers come organically and he's a big picture seer. Anyone who doesn't see this is clearly biased.
Yep
Gil and Perk are so racist its embarrassing.
I hope they express ‘They Feelins’ one on one to the right white guy some day. :) Not to a 150lb Skip Bayless… but to someone like one of Jokic’s brothers. Lol Let’s see how that goes.
I Despise turds like Perkins and Gil.
i think they are just dumb...thats the real problem!
Its clear guys like Gilbert watch basketball for something else besides the game. The man is literally owned by his own skin. Terrible really.
It will be the same way for Chet Holmgren
"A reflection of himself"
I watch basketball because it's a team sport - different pieces working in unison, with individual flair.
NOT BECAUSE "Most of the players share my skin colour, thus, I get some kind of bragging rights"
Gilbert just hurt he was never on Jokic & Luka’s level!
Gilbert Arenas is the 2nd former NBA player that is confirmed to have CTE. The 1st is Scottie Pippen.
Why american analist always shout? Like they violated
Because the loudest voices in the room always control the narrative. Just look at American politics. It’s about getting people to remember and emotionally respond to what you’re saying, not so much giving a correct or nuanced take
Being loud is ingrained in American culture. Not historically knowledgeable enough to point to a time and place that would’ve started it. But we’re definitely at least in a general sense a loud people.
Because they like hearing themselves talk.
It's sad because he's the best player in the league right now..we should be celebrating his talent 🤦🏾♂️
Luka & Jokic kill the modern "bigger, faster, more athletic/superior" narrative.Those guys are killing the league with old school "plumber" athleticism.Gilbert Arenas is a troll, tho.Agent of chaos.Russ was truly a stat padder.He never had the overall impact of Luka & Jokic.Luka almost dragged a mediocre Mavs team to the NBA Finals.We all saw what Jokic did last year.These two guys a celing raisers.I never felt that way about Russ.He was spectacular, but not better, or more impactful than Luka & Doncic.And I say that as a black man.
Luka and Jokic have a combined 15 seasons in the NBA, and only one championship between the both of them, this is exactly what Gilbert Arenas is talking about.
@@yeelahowah7476
The same as Luka, none.
@@yeelahowah7476
It doesn't matter if LeBron was with his original team or not, 4 championships trumps one.
@@faitaccompli5878Now do Russ and The Beard...
@@faitaccompli5878 i love how you combined them in your first comment and then separated them when it fit your narrative lol
I could have never imagined how bad racism would get when I graduated high school in the early 90's. it's stunning.
Yeah. We some old mfrs! 😂😂😂
Class of 94
@Biostalker420 it's not racism Black Athletes have always been better than white athletes and everybody knows Jokic is the worst MVP since Steve nash won it twice
it was getting better until Grifters realized if it gets better they are out of a job
@@malikwilson7387The worst MVP probably doesn’t have a ring. Your comment is more evidence that whites in general are smarter than blacks.
Yeah I didn't expect it to slide the other way 😅
Jokic and Luka being good at basketball bothers and makes guys like Gilbert arenas and others feel uncomfortable, Gilbert arenas has been taking shots at those guys for the last couple of years, and for him to pretend that Russell Westbrook didn't get rewarded with an MVP for averaging a triple double makes it clear this is about race and not basketball!
It's why they watch, it has zero to do with the game. They're actually owned by there own skin. Terrible really.
What bothers Gilbert Arenas is Jokic and Luka having a combined 15 seasons between them, and only one championship between the two of them, the criteria seems to be different for them, for everyone else multiple championships have to be produced,
@@faitaccompli5878 I mean Wemby hasn't even done anything and people glaze there hearts out over him lol Luka has more 30 point triple doubles than LeBron and he's only 25 years old lol tf you smoking???
@whodatking26
Lebron carried a team to the finals by age 22, which carries more weight than Luka's triple-doubles.
@@faitaccompli5878 So Lukas 30 point triple doubles mean nothing? You are only wanting to discredit Luka for some reason outside of basketball.
Isnt it ironic how the media gave zero attention to nuggets sweeping the lakers last year? They instantly tried to pretend it never happened. Amazin.
Hopefully,ESPN will get shut down in the future. It’s one of the worst channel in the world.
AMEN
Joker is legit. He went to school and learnt all his basics. And now the best big man in the game. World wide. Love him or hate him. He a great player with a savage basketball IQ.
💯 Agreed
Steve Adam’s average 7.7 rebounds per game while Westbrooks 10 rebounds in the same team lol not calling Westbrook stat pad but something doesn’t add up here
Defensive rebounds don't actually mean shit that's why. People getting defensive rebounds aren't challenging for the ball they're standing under the hoop doing jack all 🤭.
@nkosiamakosi7078 Exactly this. LeBron does the same. Defensive rebounds are a kind of a pointless stat. Offensive rebounds are still worth counting. But unless it's converted into points then it doesn't carry much weight. Just because you got the ball doesn't mean you did anything with it.
The more he trashes Jokic the more people are gonna support Jokic. People support Jokic and Doncic knowing they are humble, normal. If you have a good heart you'll support those who are alike, dividing people is never a good thing, it only isolates people.
All Gilbert Arenas sees is stats. He doesn’t understand impact and winning
Well he was a loser, why should we be surprised
Gilbert Arenas is dumb as hell. He doesn't factor in shooting percentage and impact for the team.
The only heat this dude every brought to the arena was a glock.
@@Str8Maddeness Gilbert is a clown. 🤦😅
Gilbert Arenas is just straight up biased against Europeans. He even calls Giannis "An awful NBA player".
Gil really thinks of himself as an intelligent analyst,what a joke😂😂😂
Help me out, didn’t we give Westbrook the MVP for doing it?
They credited Kareem. Last time I checked he wasn't white.
Correct
The difference between Westbrook's triple doubles and jokic triple doubles is that his amounted to winning basketball and Westbrook's didn't. And this is coming from a Westbrook stand.
Tbh both are wrong, I watched every single okc game in the 2016-17 season and I don't really remember the stat now but okc won most of the games where russ had a triple double, and the same happened the previous season when he had like 18TD's or so.
I agree russ's playstyle specially since he left okc hurt his teams a bit but when he got a triple double it usually led to winning
Exactly! Jokic's efforts equal wins. Westbrook's equaled stats.
@@TomyGtaIVRuss tries to hard to get a triple double whereas Jokic just lets the game come to him
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m can't argue that much but anyway the view on Westbrook got distorted for the last few years which were terrible and some clips of his teammates letting him the rebounds. Those who watched the his entire mvp season know his triple doubles helped to winning games and he was playing out of his mind, every game there were a few offensive rebounds from westbrook fighting against the tallest players of the opposite team and he still caught those rebounds. They also most of the games got outscored whenever Westbrook was benched, it was tough to watch without him
OKC won 70% of the time when Russ had a triple double. Do ya research and stop regurgitating shit you hear from uneducated talk show hosts.
The only people hating Jokic's are the players that were never the best but felt they were. All the actual top former players love the guy and harp about him.
most of the players that don't like Jokic' are the ones who are Championshipless
Joker's advanced stats are crazy as hell. He is one of the greatest offensive players in NBA history. Not only himself has high efficiency, he could actually make his team better.
Those people just want to create some "views" to make money.
NBA fans who understand the game on both ends of the court genuinely appreciate the talent possessed by the Joker. Those who criticize him are often individuals who did not have a successful career themselves. When people like Stephen A. Smith attack players like Luka, it is best to take their words with a grain of salt, as Luka will continue to excel. Larry Bird is a prime example of this; I recall his altercation with Isaiah Thomas, but at the end of the day, Larry was a great player. Luka will undoubtedly be among the greats, and the only people bringing up race are those who wish they had the same level of talent. If Luka were a free agent, Smith would beg him to come to New York.
@dlbarnes Luka is out of shspe
@@malikwilson7387 And your point? Is his weight preventing him from having success on the court
He breaking ankles but he outta shape ok.....🤣💦@malikwilson7387
@@malikwilson7387Out of shape? Luka isn’t going to be lebron or Giannis because he doesn’t rely on athleticism
@@malikwilson7387YET He Is Better Than Westbrick Will Ever Be
Mans is Ripped and Shredded Yet He is a Shadow Of Himself Now
Thats Just Really Pthetic
First time in my life I'd ever heard that "stat" Gilbert was talking about. I don't think anyone on the couch ever heard it up until then.. But it's discriminatory that this stat, made up in 2024, wasn't applied to Westbrook back in 2017? That's brilliant logic, Gil!
Must be great playing the race card everyday
That’s pretty much ALL they have as far as debating
Hopefully you realize this isn’t just former NBA players and that their feral rage against the whites who built everything will not cease.
People like Arenas don’t understand basketball. They understand athleticism. The reason Luka and Jocic are killing these guys is because they understand the game, the fundamentals, and the nuances. Surprise….you don’t have to jump out of the building or have 4.3 speed to beat people. You need to know the game, you need heart and competitiveness, mental toughness, fundamentals and of course a certain amount of athleticism. These two have all that in spades. Now imagine a guy who possessed all of this, jumped out of the building, ran like a gazelle, had perfect fundamentals, work ethic, understood the game, had unmatched competitiveness and the mental toughness to take physical beatings…oh…there was someone like that…the GOAT
every nba player has those things
His name is Lebron lol
@drey6111 mental toughness is not lebron
@jmgonzales7701 #1 overall pick most hyped athlete ever and surpassed it. I think that's mental toughness
@@DreyW923👎🏽
I don't love Jokic because I'm a white dude and so is he, I love him because he's both crazy talented and a true team player with zero ego. He's one of the genuine good guys who also happens to be supremely entertaining to watch. That's all I ever want out of a pro athlete. Same reasons apply to Doncic.
Got a love how Perkins backtrack now, and says Jokic is the best player in the world
Gilbert is just fishing for attention, and you are giving it to him.
True the same guy who called Giannis awful and thinks Harden is the greatest player of all time. He is a clown.
True, but he needs to be called out. The fact dude spews as much xenophobic shit as he has (a TON of it) and has not really been called out by someone in the national media is a joke. Shannon Sharpe, Dan Patrick, etc....they also still have this dude on their shows.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 The irony is, most of the "newmedia" came to be, because old media had outrageous takes , yet here we see six years on, newmedia has more outrageous takes than old media. Like regular world media, everything has turned to clickbait. "King Charles has a secret new mistress" is it true? Heck no, but still publish it it will generate clicks.
Hé is doing what he's paid for...make America racist again...
No. White people need to see this. They need to understand that this feral black rage is holistic, and will not stop.
Dude won one playoff series in his career with 3 all star game appearances.....
Gilbert had like one good season, got his bag, and proceeded to lose the remainder of his career.
And his mind in the process.
It's so easy to find true stat padding that i'm still wonder why nobody pointing on that - turnovers or shooting %. Westbrook won his MVP having one of the ugliest shooting % of all MVPs and #2 turnovers per game ALL TIME. Russ is not just a stat padder he is a stat padding GOAT, and that is what Jokic/Doncic would never achieve - crazy 5.4 turnover per game and 42.5%
It is just funny to me that people like Arenas and Perkins have this whole weirdness about Jokic and it is pretty clear that Nikola really doesnt give a shit about it at all. Like their takes are totally divorced from reality and are just on their little delusional island.
Another Nuggets title will be so sweet. I am getting a feeling it is just inevitable too. Maybe I will be wrong, but I just think it is coming.
I can't stop laughing at me imagining Jokic's reaction to being called The Great White Hope 😂
Exactly like "such american thing"😂😂
Something tells me that Joker will use it to respond with sarcasm to a stupid journalist one day.. We'll laugh.
Whe say in France, parodying Mr Lavoisier's famous phrase :"nothing is lost, everything is picked up" and Joker is a specialist in this area.. 😂😂
The real sentence " nothing is lost, everything is transformed" also work with Joker by the way.. 😂😂😂
If you're a mediocre player who never accomplished anything then you have to stay relevant one way or another. Gilbert has chosen profound idiocy.
How jealous and threatened they are. The only place where they think they're superior is being exposed
The definition of statpadding is one having good individual stats that do not translate to team success. Russ never led his teamS to ANY success, despite having multiple AllTime supporting cast throughout most of his career. Dude played with LeBron, KD, Harden, Kawhi and won exactly nothing. Russ won his MVP title when he averaged triple double despite being 6th seed. Jokic was robbed of his MVP because of media narrative when he almost averaged triple double Despite being #1 seed.
Its so funny how there are some people actually agreeing with Gil, and they are also in denial about being racist, its truly pathetic
Being Gilbert must be exhausting. Every time his wife changes the sheets, he probably thinks he's being attacked at a Klan Rally 😂🎉😂
BECAUSE RUSSELL WESTBROOK WAS PROVEN TO BE A STAT PADDER IN 2017. WHEN HE TEAMMATES WERE ALL CAUGHT IN REPLAY AFTER REPLAY GIVING UP SHOTS OR REBOUNDS TRYING TO CLEAR THE WAY FOR WESTBROOK TO PAD HIS STATS.
there's two stats he ignores when comparing Luka and Jokic to Westbrook: FG% and turnovers. and also, yknow, championships.
not surprising. he didn't care about those things when he was a player, why would he care now?
The difference is that Westbrook really was stat padding. Pushing Aquaman out of the way to get rebounds etc
Joker was the bus driver for a championship team. What have you done, gil?
Brought a gun into the locker room because he thought it was a good idea.
Professional yapper Gilbert
Gilbert Arenas failed his critical thinking class.
I’m positive he didn’t even go.
Gilbert arenas (in an era that was 'more physical' and defense-focused) had a defensive rating of 109. The lower the number, the better. Nikola Jokic, on the other hand, has a defensive rating of 107. Giannis has a 105. Dirk had a 104. Manu had a 100. Arvydas Sabonis had a 97. What the hell is Arenas talking about?
Gilbert still has that woe is me mentally. Its actually quite sad. Dude made over $163 million. Now has a net worth of$20‐$45 million.. probably mad also from the fact that Joker bested Lebron. Something he couldnt do.
I love reformed Brodie, but he was very inefficient in the years he was in the mvp convo, which did not seem to take away his shine in the media as much as it should have. Obviously some of his teammates were afraid to get a rebound that could possibly go to Brodie, because his hype was really all they had going as a team. This is not anything like how Jokic is getting his stats. Jokic is the definition of efficiency, getting his in the flow, and really making those around him better, and maybe more important, not making those around him worse. He is the star and the glue guy all at the same time.
Is that the guy that brought gun in locker room??😂😂😂😂
It’s always been like this. I grew up in the 80s. Larry Bird is loved by a lot of black people now, but during his playing days in the 80s, a lot of black people resented him. I’m seeing the same thing with Luka and Joker these days. This shit is so tired.
Gilbert knows more about guns than basketball
That Gilbert Arenas quote is gold. "They manipulate everything so that its something." That is 99.9% of NBA RUclips coverage. The games and league doesn't really matter much any more. The narrative about the games and the league is what matters. The NBA, I would say, is on the cutting edge of the sports world. They are moving from being a league about competition to a league about sports/gambling entertainment and soap opera drama.
This is why players/commentators aren't so fond of Luka and Jokic. Those two don't care about the narrative/sports-entertainment, part of the league. Many current players are looking to the "after career" hustle right now. Being controversial, staying relevant in the public eye, gaining wealth after their career is over. I know that Jokic doesn't care about that at all.
Luka literally got the most almost triple doubles lol.
That's literally the most anti-stat pad thing.
Russell Westbrook's triple-doubles were monitored every single game that season. ESPN was tracking and covering it non-stop.
His team was mid, but Russ won MVP solely because he was the first person to average a triple-double in a season since Oscar Robertson. Why do I know that stat? Because it was shoved down our throats for an entire season.
Jokic plays smart basketball. Westbrick has the heart, but not the brains.
If anyone was stat padding, it was Westbrook. He is a 6’4” point guard crashing the boards. PGs aren’t supposed to be crashing the boards. That’s the role of Centers and PFs. Jokic is a center.
there are people on this planet who love to watch talented players with above average basketball iQ...not just muscular players who jump, fly and dunk...pretty simple right? Jokic is an above-average talented basketball player with an above-average basketball IQ ... Arenas does not understand that, it is another dimension for him ... someone with a basketball IQ of 35 cannot comment on a player with a basketball IQ of 135 ... :))
Jokic is already a champion because he is a triple double machine, and he deserves to be acknowledged by the world. I say let them hate on it, but I think they're missing an opportunity to enjoy what's special and great in today's NBA.
Gil Arena's stupidity is growing everyday,the jealousy and hypocracy of this lemedia,lebumnatics and klutch sports😂😂😂
Seriously black NBA players need to let this ish go 🤦🏽♂️ don't nobody in our community thinks there's a great white hope narrative but these dudes. Y'all dominated the league for nearly 40 years straight with only one real white GOAT eligible player popping up in that span (Larry Bird) but suddenly when 3 of the top 5 players in the world are European and two of those 3 being white this fragile ego can't let you acknowledge their greatness? In a few years it'll go back to it's usual, nobody here actually thinks white people will suddenly start dominating across the board. Instead of saying it's a race thing they need to look at WHY suddenly the Europeans seem to be taking over in such a short span of time. Look into how they train their players, how they set them up in sports academies, how they've been playing with grown professional men since their teen years and you'll start to understand that our grip on basketball has loosened slightly because while they were innovating new training methods and have dozens of semipro leagues our system hasn't changed since the 80s besides bringing in the g league 🤷🏽♂️
Westbrook is a stat padder
NBA players know that too. Had KD n Steph laughing their ass off when Russ was screaming at his teammate to shoot the ball so he could get the assist
yeah gil was pretty obvious about his hate by comparing a guy who was stat padding to the point of yelling at his team mates about not letting him get the rebounds or shoot the ball as soon as he passes it so he can get an assist and a guy who is doing only what he thinks benefits the team and his triple doubles just being basically accidental outcomes of his overall play
American superstars are no match against JOKER.. No can stop him especially in one on one..
Just say what you mean Gilbert.
I was a big fan of yours in DC ... that is until you brought a gun to the locker-room.
Russell’s triple doubles led his team nowhere. Luka and Joker, WCF and Champions, respectively. Enough said.
Russell's career eFG is 10% lower than Nikola. This is the biggest single difference to me, that makes me value a guy like Nikola's almost triple dub more so than RW's. Winning, efficient basketball as opposed to whatever you would like to call under 50% eFG
OKC also won 10% less of Russell's TD games than the Nuggets did with Jokić.
Westbrook and Luka is literally statpad kings ngl just watch the games and not stats the teams literally box out or let the ball go so Westbrook or luka can get it. Watch the films
I think you have rectally induced encephalitis. Might want to see some one about that.
Funny. If white guys who are averaging near triple doubles was truly over promoted by the the media. Then Gil would’ve heard through all the hype that Domantas Sabonis leads the league in triple doubles and is close to averaging one.
Even more damaging to that narrative is that Sabonis was snubbed for the all star game despite his near averaging triple double numbers
It feels like projection. It is Arenas who is trying to downplay Jokic and Doncic. Is it really because they are such fans of Westbrook? Feels more like they resent these guys.
Great vid as always. The only thing I disagree with is calling Gil an analyst… he’s a podcaster. And we can all be thankful he hasn’t been entirely picked up by any major networks and that his only real following are casual hoop fans that don’t really know all that much about the games history at all
Refresh my memory how many Rings & MVP's did "Agent 0" win? Isnt he the idot that was kicked off the Wizards for pulling a gun on a teammate in the lockeroom over a gambling debt?
Not surprising Arenas doesn't understand what efficiency is.
Gilbert has figured out how to say dumb shit and have people make his words seem like they matter..But he never matter not even when he played..
Gilbert Arenas needs to go back to high school and get his diploma instead of talking ignorant nonsense on a podcast !
It's funny how they don't nit pick with LeBum.... Consecutive double digit games while he sitting out every 2 games.... Do they not understand wtf consecutive means. Resting every couple games make it that much easier to keep ya stats to a point.
There's no question Westbrook was stat-padding. There's tons of easily proven examples of it, where he'd change his play style late in a game just to get that last assist. In simple terms, he has way more 10 assist games than 9 assist games. Statistically that just doesn't make sense. Further deep dives into his shot charts showed that his shot selection changed drastically when he was at 9 assists. So obviously the guy was watching the scoreboard more than the game in front of him, and padding.
Gil is insane ,everybody knows that
Steven Adams should have gotten assists for the number of rebounds he let Westbrook get, in order to average triple doubles.
4:36 That’s a perfect shot of that game winner from Luka. The shot goes up, you see the scoreboard, see the scores and time winding down, follow the shot into the basket for the win. Bravo to whoever filmed that 👏
Jokic & Luka (heck we'll throw in Embiid & the Greek Freak) vs Team USA. This is not about the game but a jolt reaction to racism when America should celebrate it cause this means America can focus on other things cause the world's got your back.
I remember everybody celebrating Westbrook for what he did. Dude you can see the racism and hate pouring out of these people
I like Russell Westbrook, and I hate how he got dragged by Gilbert on this shit.
I hate how Russell gets hate from ESPN then suddenly gets portrayed as a martyr when they talk about Joker.
In 2015-2017, the media were hyping up Lebron and Steph. Westbrook came 3rd or 4th or further down the list.
In 2024, there is no player like 2015-2017 Lebron and Steph, and therefore they need to hype the new stars, like Jokic, Luka, Ant, Wemby etc.
These player podcasts are completely out of control
Jokic is the opposite of a stat padder. They could try and claim luka is, but we know for a fact that Westbrick was one.
Not only that, he's not a likeable guy. How many fans phones has he destroyed. I mean he actually should have been arrested several times for that. but the media actually sided with him each time.
I don't think is question of White VS Black Players, it's more a question of American Players and The Media accepting a foreign player especially European being better than their own talent. And You know what? They will eventually have to accept the fact that an European Superstar can be better than An American one. IF The FIBA World Cup USA results were not wake up calls to the arrogant media, I don't what will.
They all love Wembanyama though. It’s not about nationality, it’s about ethnicity my friend.
@@mosessupposes2571 I'll say a bit more clearly my friend.
They will accept Webowaya as long as he doesn't pose a threat to American Superstars.
Once he becomes a threat the media will start eating him alive too.
It is a question of American dominance over A World one especially if it's a European.
Why Tony Parker was accepted? Because in the middle of a great career he was labelled than any of the great guards of his era including Allen Iverson.
Westbrook's triple doubles were stat padded, and the media, with the exception of 2 people, were all pretending that they didn't know this to be true.
He was praised by everyone except 2 guys who were proven correct in the long run.
The MVP award was typically tied to individual performance + team success. It went to the best performing player whose performance was contributing to a top team. They ignored this and gave Russ the MVP because everyone was feeling bad about KD leaving.
Oscar Robertson was the first to average a TD while scoring 30ppg and he finished 3rd in MVP voting. The MVP went to Bill Russell instead, who averaged 18.9ppg.
If being the first does not earn you an MVP, then it makes no sense for you to win MVP for being the second. You know it was padded stats for Russ because he never did it while KD was there. If playing that way translated to winning basketball, they would have had him doing that while KD was in OKC. But his style of play did not allow for teammates to get in rhythm. He would often stop passing to teammates who were hot and lose games in the 4th quarter playing hero ball and his supporters would point to the 4th quarter scoring of his teammates while ignoring the fact that Russ was the one who took away their opportunities to score on the 4th.
If averaging a TD was ever as great an accomplishment as they made it seem that one season, Oscar would've been MVP the year he did it first and Russ would have continued to win MVP every year that he averaged a TD after that first year.
The reason it only earned him 1 MVP was because it was a sympathy MVP. KD left, and that entire year was about how GS ruined the NBA, KD was a "cupcake," and "omg, Westbrook is averaging a TD." A few ppl pointed out the obvious. He was chasing those TDs and they were not going to win in the playoffs playing like that. Paul George should have been enough help for Russ to get past round 1. Instead Rookie Donovan Mitchell bounced em out the 1st round. The next year, Dame Time only let Mr Triple Double win 1 game before sending them home with a clutch "bad shot" according to Paul George.
I didn't hear anyone say Russ was stat padding. Jokic is barely ever mentioned without some criticism being included. Whether his defense, he's slow, etc.