This System Is WAY Better Than The CAGED System For Guitar
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I was a guitar teacher at Edwards Music near Tampa. Bill Edwards wrote the Fretboard Logic book. Everyone seems to love or hate it. Every system has merit. I learned all my Barre chords and then then learned how to simplify them by playing three string triads. Bill and I had an argument once because I was teaching three note per string scales and he wanted me to teach his 5 position system only. No "system" is the only way. I've learned something useful from every approach. I've always felt inadequate because I can't shred but I never wanted to sound like a typewriter. I can play any pop,rock,blues or country song that I need to know and that is more important to me. I read Pat Martino's system of building chords from diminished and augmented fingerings. I don't completely understand it but I did learn something from it. Thank you for your melodic and expressive approach to playing.
Would you recommend that book now? Or is there another you would suggest? Thanks
@@blindianajones bills book is good but I don't recommend it for beginners
Fretboard logic is a very detailed explanation of the caged concept. I don't recommend it for beginners.
@@doyledarby9020 I'm pretty much middle of the road intermediate. Trying to figure out a way to remember the triads when playing chords wherever on the neck.
im with you i dont think playing arpeggios at 150 miles an hour is guitar playing, its mechanical, lifeless and soulless, no creativity or originality
Tim- I love the fact that you smile when you play. Your love of playing and joy it brings you is inspiring. I’m 53 and have been playing since I was 16. It will forever be my favorite hobby - and I will never get to play as often as I like due to my job and other commitments. I try to squeeze in an hour per day - some days it’s more. My favorite thing is improvising over pop and R&B songs with little to no guitar. I do the same thing. I write the chords down and keep them in front of me. I also have scale & chord charts on the walls in my guitar room. It helps when I get brain freeze! 🤣 Ultimately, I am constantly working to add more colors to my crayon box. Music is a life long learning and creative journey. I wish it was my full time profession but I would worry that it would stop being fun if it paid the bills. Keep teaching and inspiring! You’re a joy to watch. - Eddie the cruise vlogger on RUclips
He’s the Bob Ross of guitar instruction!
@@scotthamilton1054Perfect description! I don’t even play guitar, but I so enjoy watching him “paint a beautiful picture” with his guitar and his joyful spirit.😊
This is SUCH A GREAT lesson. Please please make more of these, showing your thought process and different alternatives over chord progressions, this is FANTASTIC stuff.
Hey thank you very much!!
@@timpierceguitar What is that guitar you're playing, Tim? is that a 245?
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Man, I wish I had a guitar teacher like Tim when I was a kid. I would have gotten so good so fast.
Triads will set us free! Fantastic lesson and playing as always, my friend :)
Early in Jimi Hendrix’s rise to fame he made a big impression on a 12 yr old boy who watched him perform at an outdoor gig. Hendrix was still approachable at this point in time and the boy asked him, “how can I learn to play like that” referring to his awesome single note lead patterns. “Just learn your chords and everything else will fall into place”. I attest I read this in a reputable guitar magazine a long time ago, and that this anecdote is accurately recollected.
I love stories like that. It's so true. My playing felt so much more stable and interesting when I didn't have to think so hard about the chords. After a while you get comfortable with certain shapes and scales.
Great story! I'm a little younger (early GenX), but the first time I heard James Marshall at 15, it changed my life.
Tim's lessons are always a pleasure to watch. Chalked full of important approaches and techniques to help sculpt our own playing.
Thanks Tim.
That was SO good Tim. You reinforced things I was doing for years that I thought were “wrong” because I’m self taught. Great to get validation and fresh perspectives from a pro such as yourself 🙌🏻
Awesome livestream, Tim. Masterclass is SO WORTH IT!
As I watch this for the second time… and get ready to pickup my guitar…I realize that I feel privileged..!👍🏼… to get some thoughts from a seasonal pro..!
Thanks Tim..👍🏼❤️
9:00 - Oh man that beautiful, I love it when i have touse my brain and ears! Flamenco guitar and jazz are full of seeing things like a keyboard player
I absolutely LOVE this lesson. Tim you are amazing for doing these videos for all of us out here. I just never really connected the triads with such forthought and finess. I have seen the light ! lol Such a pleasure to watch you play. Thanks so much.
Tim, this is absolutely my favorite guitar video of the week. Adding it to my little newsletter. Thanks so much for your amazing lessons. We're lucky to have ya!
Hey thank you so much! means a lot:-)
You’re always a joy to watch, Tim, and thanks for sharing!
A great class as always. I love the very melodic and flowing quality of your lines. The most timeless guitar solos usually exhibit these things. Thanks for sharing so much important info Tim.
Excellent lesson Tim. It's so cool to see your thought process and learn new approaches. It's also nice when something you say reaffirms what I've been doing or have stumbled upon so I feel like I'm on a good path. Thank you
Very focussed mentally - great energy, Tim! you are spot on here - the essence of "the Tim Pierce attitude". You have said and played it a thousand times and it never gets boring. It draws me into your playing because you yourself are drwan into it. Thank you😀
This is great! I am 65 took some lessons and had a mentor, but had to learn a lot by ear and destroying records and needles!!! Kids have NO IDEA how much they have it made with a Pro Session Guy like Yourself just laying it out!
But one thing I am grateful for is the ear training I got doing it the way I did, plus it gives Me My Own Style! However You now help explain things and open new doors, You are such a great player and person. Someday I would love to meet and sit down with You, what a Dream that would be! You by far are one of My favorite Players!
Wishing You all My Best*
Been watching this for a few days off and on. There is so much practical theory in this clip you can sit in your studio for a month just working on the individual parts, learning to play them but also understanding the underling relationships between chord postilions.. Great work Tim and the Master Class is definitely worth it. 🤘👍
Awesome Tim. Sounding beautiful. Great lesson.
Excellent. Your fluidity is what I have always been after. My classical guitar teacher taught me the Segovia scales and I use them to navigate up and down. They are great for warming up in any key as well. Then years ago I discovered using the chords in the various positions for soloing. Somehow I have merged the two approaches and use your heads up display concept to jump around at will. My issue is structure which this lesson provides. Thank you!
Absolutely brilliant. Loving it!
Hands down the best lesson I've watched in a very long time. I sure would love to have this backing track so I can study every note you played.
You always make me smile if joy seeing you playing ... Thanks man!
Fantastic!! Thank you, Tim. Love the ideas and you demonstrate so purely.
Tim is such a great teacher. 💯His love for the instrument and for guitar community is contagious. He inspires me to keep at it. Thanks Tim for all you do for us and keep on smiling ❗You deserve your three thumbs up ❗👍👍👍
Thanks Tim. Once again you've given me a bunch of great tips to work with. You're teaching style is so accessible. You make me want to play. Marvelous. Can't wait to play around with this.
Hello Tim! Long time beginner here. Just purchased the Masterclass and can't wait to keep learning from you. I found you through the youtube guitar community. THANK YOU SO MUCH for offering the class. Your examples and explanations on YT are all outstanding. I can see why you've had such an amazing career. Maybe, just maybe I'll be able to sound like a solid player too one day! Very exciting!! Thank you!!
So cool! I also use these approaches to soloing; CAGED + triad shapes all over the neck + double stops + minor pentatonic for a bit + major, dorian, phrygian, and mixolydian scales... I love the E - A - D - B minor progression you're using for this. I reminds me of "Bittersweet Symphony" which I've practiced soloing over a lot!
CAGED and Triads are just 2 similar ways to make sense of the harmonic layout of the fretboard. CAGED gives all the notes that are in the chord or key in one position and Triads give you 3 of the 4 essential chord tones (need to add the 7th). Chord tones are still the basis for any soloing that follows chords (if you want to hear the harmony in the solo) and neighboring notes (in the key or out of the key) are always available if you know where every triad is. Connecting the triads up down the neck is a great way to organize everything but I suspect in the end you sort of use both CAGED (or a knowledge of key based scales in each position) to understand the whole layout and triads to execute your solo. It's one thing to have a basic knowledge of this but it's orders of magnitude more work to be able to use this information technically (in good time and continuously), tastefully and musically. That's years of hard work to make it flow effortlessly and I appreciate everyone that has reached such a high level of musical ability on their instrument
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Very good enlightenment about the subject ..
Awesome video Tim, glad I checked it out! Thanks for posting and sharing it!
This is an amazing lesson. I appreciate it Mister Tim
Loved every minute of this. Makes so much sense. Thanks Tim! Such a great approach.
Finally got around to watching this and it's exactly what needs to be said on this topic! Thanks, Tim!
I loved this! Thank you, Tim!
I've been playing for something like 30 years. You're a great teacher and player. This is really good stuff presented well.
Great as always, Tim! Thanks
Love to see your thoughts... It makes so much sense. There's a lot of this that depends on having massive chops. Totally inspirational. Thank you for sharing this with all of us.
I love watching your videos even though they are way over my head. To me, they are very inspirational. I am working towards understanding and being able to execute your tips and tricks.
I never normally have a guitar in hand when im watching your videos, and theyre still so informative and helpful. I wish i had resources like this when i was beginning back in the early 2000s! Kids have it made nowadays lol
Their kids are going to say the same thing🤣
I used to spend hours on Olga dot net wishing I could understand why the tab was nothing like the song lol
Imagine starting out in the late 70’s. It was so competitive back then that better players would intentionally keep from telling/showing the secrets. I was a good visual (and decent ear) learner and every time I got to see a better player (which wasn’t often) I would focus hard on watching what they were doing. Otherwise it was paying a teacher $20 for a 1/2 hour or maybe an hour a week. That was if you could find a decent teacher in your area. Most teachers would figure out the popular rock song of the day and right it down in Tab and have you learn it for the next lesson. That got old fast.
The best thing is to keep playing always. Sometimes a break is needed, but don’t let them last long. I made the mistake of getting bogged down with life stuff and wasted some good years. Life goes by fast and before you know it physical issues arise (like arthritis) that can make things impossible. I’m presently trying to reconfigure my playing style to accommodate my physical limitations. Trying to play like EVH is no longer an option.😉
@@els1f Mxtabs for me lol. i was never much of a fan of learning/covering songs though. i always said that it was taking away time from what i really wanted to do with the guitar.
@@nickp440 I can definitely understand that, and totally agree! 🙌 Sometimes you can't help but listen to Dimebag Darrell and think "but HOW?!🤯😱" though lol
Yes. So why are there not many good young players? Plenty of exposure of great players on net, great gear cheap .... I blame social media.
But also laziness. If you want to be a good player you have to be dedicated. I've procrastinated enough to know .....
Thank you for this lesson Tim! 🤟😎🤟
Great stuff Tim I love your progressions they’re simple but still have interesting borrowed chords that allow the melody to go cool places. Maybe you could do a lesson on some of your chord progressions?
Minor over major to me feels so good. Much more depth in color, great lesson,,, thank you!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a guitar soloing video with so much information in such a short period of time. Great!
Thank you so much. Something really clicked for me here. Really appriciate what you do here.
Great vid. After 50yrs guitaring, I always want to learn more things like this. TY.
Lots of things clicked for me in this lesson. Best I've ever seen. Great promo!!!
Woah. This was amazing. Please do more. Also, show your set ups on your clean amps and how you get that sweet distortion that is not overly saturated but just sweet and just right..
Great video Tim. It hits exactly at what I need.
Wow, this is the best comprehensive totally gold lesson; I'm beyond happy. This is worth more than bucks, but I'm gonna contribute what I can. Now I find myself smiling like Tim having this great information and shared talent, thanks!
Tim, I was sold the first 30-s into the lesson when you talked about the basic CAGED shapes running into each other. Great vid for sure!
I love watching the intros and much as the whole video. They always make me want to pick up my guitar!
This video had some great tips; thanks for putting it together. Basing a lead line around high chord voicings was really eye-opening. I also appreciated the example of a one-string melody; it's something I'd heard suggested before but I didn't 'get it' until your demonstration.
Right place at the right time for me this time around. Brilliant lesson. Tim thank you so much.
Great video, thanks Tim.
This is incredibly valuable, you teach so well Tim it is a pleasure-the important part is to be 'musical' not theoretically correct!
This is hugely helpful. Thank you very much.
Very nice lesson!
Thanks for taking the time to teach us +1 killer tone. Stay safe. Respect.
I like how smooth your playing is ❤
A true masterclass Tim, thanks!
What a flawless playing and what a hell of a masterclass..
Hey there Tim, I really admire your choice licks. So natural and with soul. And I also like listening to other people's stories about how they learned to play etc. The way I learned was very unusual, but really cool at the same time. I remember wanting to learn the modes so badly! I had the dexterity in my fingers from playing drums, but didn't know where to put my fingers? lol - So what I did was memorized all seven modes, (When I found out what they were lol) as totally separate scales, and fingerings. And spent some time with each of them. I didn't have a clue how to use them though...lol I know, sounds weird but I was young and kind of thick. lol So to make it real short, after learning all seven, I ended up going to a local college in LA, and when we finally got to the part about the modes... it just clicked in my head all at once and I finally got it, so to speak.... lol I was so stoked! I went right home after class and turned on the radio. grabbed my guitar and was finally able to jam and have fun for once! was awesome. So, for me personally, it took a cute little old lady, playing the piano, to teach me in the end- Since then, I have basically been learning triads, Caged and the stuff you have been teaching, and putting it all together Love it- sorry wrote a book... had a hair up the *** 😁
Ponticello" was a cool touch! Love it. Thanks Tim! Great lesson. Helps a lot
Deffo gonna sign up to the master-class tonight 🤘
Tim Pierce ladies and gent's! Master of flow! He is one with the geetar period! I strive to be an 1/8th as good as he is! Thanks for all you do!Rock on sir!
Thanks, Tim!
great lesson!
Nice lesson, Tim.
Tim, I love your playing. Smooth as a babies behind. Keep doing what you do.
Wonderful lesson on soloing that's super helpful. Music is very enjoyable too:)
Love all your playing & ideas Tim & totally agree about using chord shapes for soloing...but man, your phrasing is killer!!
Insanely helpful. I struggle with lacking theory and chord knowledge most when I'm improvising. Sometimes I get lucky, but I'm not connected well enough to understand how or why. My technique is decent enough. Just listening to you over the years has given me some 'what would Tim play' moments. But this is not just a very cool idea, it's super accessible! Gonna have a crack at it later, Thanks Tim!! ✌️😎💡👍
Thanks Tim. I missed the live broadcast.
Very cool. Enjoyed this.
The first two minutes on their own are a marvellous fun way to practice triads changes all over the neck in song that's fun too! Love it! Next month I'll try the triads on the other strings
Excellent teaching
Whoa! Great master class! I can spend the rest of my life on implementing these ideas.
Love this class. Tim is really cookin' on the opening track
great lesson, thank you
Love your approach and the great deciphery loaded with great and short examples. After 40 years playing guitar as an hobbyist I'm so ignorant of all these approaches but it opens up vey new perspective to improve and feel the joy of playing. Thanks a lot
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Great clickbait this title! Even I, a guitar teacher of over 30 years had to click on it. I have loved your playing for a long time Tim, ever since hearing the first Amanda Marshall record and the early 90ies recordings with Joe Cocker(only later did I learn that I have been listening to you since the 80ies. We were covering Bon Jovi's Runaway in high school in '85 all the way over here in Germany.)
So it has been incredible being able to watch you sharing everything you know about music and the guitar here on youtube. I am very grateful that an artist as exceptional as you is sharing so much of himself with the guitarworld community.
BUT, when you teach somebody about the triads without them knowing CAGED they usually get overwhelmed and confused very easily. As long as you tune a guitar in standard tuning, the notes will always be laid out in the CAGED way. When you find a way to get that under your fingers (and I was very lucky to have Ted Dunbar and Billy Bauer help me figure this out) everything will start to make sooo much more sense. So I don't thing it is right to say this system is better than that...The triads are inside the CAGED system and you will need a more general map(CAGED) before you can find your way around the specific "neighbourhoods"(triads) with confidence.
Wow, you are pretty high on yourself.
I teach intermediate players who are just learning to improvise. While I use the CAGED system all of the time, I find it confuses my students because the names are not the open chord names after they've been moved. Triads are easier to relate to and how you describe this is really freeing! Thank you for sharing, Tim!
Beautiful lesson Tim. I’ve loved your channel and it’s content for many moons. Interestingly you and I share a great friend Carl Kennedy. He’s been talking to me about you for decades. He’s right on target. Thank you for all you do playing wise and sharing your knowledge so generously. You be da soul man. 🌈🎶
Love those melodic double-stops you do Tim i recognise from some of your 90s work including your solo album:)
great stuff so talented and such great info
The tone on that neck pickup is amazing ❤️
The great jazz guitarist Herb Ellis talked about linking melodic ideas to simple chord shapes rather than to scales or modes. The shapes are a visual cue, not a straitjacket. Herb used only 3 shapes for major chords (-he called them 1, 2, and 3). They are the same shapes Fred Sokolow uses in his Fretboard Roadmaps material. (Fred calls them F, D, and A.) Since triads have 3 notes, 3 shapes give you the octave along the fretboard.
Hey Tim...I'm a long time bass player that's taking on guitar more seriously over the last couple years. I love your content...You're the Rich Brown of guitar playing...lol! I mean that in the best way possible...Rich just has a way of making things understandable and achievable as you do as well even things beyond my comprehension..you both introduce concepts so well. Both absolute monsters that know how to communicate their craft!! Thank you!!
Tim , you are a one of a kind! The world's nicest guitar player! I really appreciate your teaching and talent. You are a great communicator!! God Bless You! : )
Great session Tim, lovin’ it! From Jem
I've never seen someone having so much fun just playing. Makes me want to get at it.
Great stuff!
Your tone is always focused and so well balanced, really in the mix, like a good rock album on CD !
I 100% agree!
@Michael There's a whole spectrum of rock music. The playing and sound in the video would fit into a whole lot of rock songs.
Good stuff Tim. The hard part is finding a little lick in each position. I would love to see a video on some of your go to riffs
I'd say that's basically what this was.
I wish I looked so happy as you do when I play!
Tim you are such a master! This is a tasty lick.
Nobody has more fun on guitar, than Tim Pierce... thanks, again, man!!
That tone in the intro! wow
Holy shnikeys! I think I actually understood this!!! You make it seem so simple!