I love that Carl constantly plugged Pauper! A MAN FOR THE PEOPLE! I would love to see some videos of user submitted Pauper decks! Or just Pauper videos in general
YES! Submitted pauper decks would be awesome! :D Though the 50 dollar restriction on the decks might not work quite as well 🤣. But pauper is definitely a format that should be covered more in general cuz it's very difficult for wizards to price people out of pauper XD
Tarmogoyf was in my local store's cheap card binder for $10... how the mighty have fallen. Broke my heart. I remember opening one in a MM2 draft and losing my mind! The Pro Tour when it was picked over a Burst Lightning ... so many great stories with the goyf.
Preordered my playset before Futuresight hit the shelves for ten bucks. Sold them for 170 around 2009. They did get even more expensive later but I didn't care.
One of my fondest memories of Magic is opening a box of Modern Masters with the friend who introduced me to the game. I remember how hard my hand was shaking as I opened a Tarmogoyf. He'll always be the king to me.
Still have my tarmos...the card is still good in modern, maybe not in the actual best deck, but who cares? He can eventually become better with the addition of battles in the format (good ones, of course)
Carl's wardrobe is so interesting and cool. A little out there sometimes but he always just rocks it like it's the most natural thing for him to wear. Stay stylish Carl!!!
It rarely gets mentioned, but there was a time when Celestial Colonade was $60 each, and Engineered Explosives was at $100, and worldwake Colonade right now is like $2 lol.
@@StickyBombLauncher yeah but fetches are multi-format staples, even EE gets used by different decks until now, but Colonnade is used in only 1 deck, that and Grove of the Burnwillows, once upon a time they were sooo overpriced lol
I remember my Worldwake release day. Some wiiiild hunts for manlands and occasional screams of "OMG I got Jace" from the corner immediately followed by all the sharks surrounding some poor kid. Sometimes I miss paper magic, but then I see some of these prices and my heart breaks so much. Prices are 100 times worse these days.
This is exactly why I never buy expensive cards. Can’t play with certain cards for a while unless you proxy but with the savings I can buy many more cards and decks. This was a cool video to see how many cards have changed.
I actually have a playset Utopia Sprawls laying around that i must have traded or bought for pretty cheap about 10 years ago, really funny to find out it went through such a rollercoaster, but i'm happy to know reprints are diminishing these needlessly high prices nicely.
In 10 years ragavan will be worth €4.74 30 day average I think the real question mark card is Sheoldred, multi format staple showing no sign of stopping.
I've been out of magic for a while but I casually keep up with the state of the game and I cannot for the life of me understand how Sheoldred costs as much as she does. It's like... a slightly better Siege Rhino?? How is a 4 cost beater even playable in formats where Ragavan, Voidwalker, opt, etc are legal? Would boomer jund even play Sheoldred over huntmaster/Kalitas back in the day?
@@kolr2873 It's mostly that high because it's super playable in many formats, modern, standard, pioneer, commander, etc. so the demand is high. The recent price spikes were most likely bc of Modern with the printing of the One Ring. You can use them together to stabilize insanely well and also punish your opponent for playing the Ring.
Sheoldred will not last anywhere near 10 years. Its power level is nowhere near ragavan or goyf or even clique. It's barely played in modern right now, let alone in 10 years.
@@kolr2873 It is definitely overpriced but what you're missing is that sheoldred is a win con by itself, without even needing to attack. some decks just scoop to a resolved sheoldred.
@@kolr2873 I'm not an expert but it's a MUCH better siege rhino, I'd say. Mono-coloured (easier to cast), continuously gains you life and loses your opponent life rather than just an etb, synergy with card draw to keep your life total up and punishes opponent's card draw. Can't speak for most formats since on paper I just play commander with friends where she's not all that good, but I play standard bo3 on Arena with a spellslingy burny Izzet deck and whenever Sheolderd resolves and I don't get an answer in the next 2 turns it's pretty safe to say I've lost. Seems like a pretty strong counter to my kind of deck in particular since I like drawing cards and don't have many sources of 5+ damage but I imagine it's rough for others too.
Okay but for real tho, both of the fakeout video ideas look fun as hell, obviously the Shahrazad one might not be possible if theres no footage but AI (Or custom) Commanders sounds really fun
I reckon Ragavan will go the same way as Goyf. Answers will be printed that handle it too efficiently, the meta will shift, power creep will happen, but it has a level of iconic-ness that will prevent people from selling it for too cheap. Just the fact that it is _the_ Ragavan will probably be enough to keep demand high.
They already printed answers to it in the form of the pitch-cast elementals. Eventually every one-drop creature will need to have Ancestral Recall stapled onto it in order to be considered playable. In a roundabout way, Ragavan is already dangerously close to being exactly that as it is.
Also, I doubt Ragavan will ever be as iconic as Goyf was simply because of how long Goyf was good. Currently WotC's card-creating policies DEPEND on making Ragavan unplayable as soon as possible in order to capitalize on the market of competitive players.
A friend of mine who plays magic super casual, does not keep up with new times, I bought him a play set of Tarmogoyhs. He still believed they were super expensive. I never told him how cheap they became because his head exploded with happiness finally owning a play set. I paid 7.50$ each for them.
You're a great friend, doesn't matter how cheap they are now, but if someone gives me a set of goyfs, one of the most iconic mtg creatures of all time, i'd explode with happiness too lol
I remember, when MM15 came out. I bought ONE booster. and get one normal Tarmo, and also one in foil. The other ones around me where shocked (I was too). But at the time, I didn't play green, so I sold it to the store manager to a good price.
here in Brazil pauper is huge. we just don't have the market weight for make this scratch the prices of common cards globaly another format growing much is what we call "Commander 500" which would translate well to "commander 100U$ or 100euros"
Lol I've been cataloging my collection recently via manabox so I can actually find things to build with vs looking at 15,000 cards and going its gotta be there somewhere.....So I've had a lot of these moments the last week. Seeing staples you remember being hard to track down playsets for at the time and now its a bulk rare or down shifted lol. As someone who started playing when Lion's Eye Diamond was called trash it was a heartwarming to see it become the little lotus that could this far down the line. After sitting on my collection I'm trying to go back in and put it to use building a pauper play box and hopefully coming up with a few random cubes to time capsule my era(s) of magic (Mirage- Invasion) and also build a few to experience limited environments I missed over the years.... I missed Innistrad everytime 😭. I missed Lorwyn, I missed Kamigawa, I missed good Ravnica.... RTR block had a few gems but man what a lackluster time to try and make a comeback into game in hindsight lol fell back off at Theros when my playgroup fell apart.
I'd like to put together a "Binder of Regret" full of cards that were once worth a lot but got reprinted into the ground, to show off how dumb I've been to not sell them when I had the chance.
My friends and I started doing this thing where we made commander decks for each other, without telling them anything about the deck. We then all play a game with these decks, with the commanders face down. As a special action on your turn, you may ask a yes or no question about your commander, and then you may guess the commander. You may only cast the commander once you have gotten it right. It is an interesting test for improvisation and figuring out the deck you are playing on the fly. I highly recommend it, even off camera. Side note: because tutors make the mystery aspect of the game less interesting, we have a restriction on all tutors that you have 3 seconds to look at the deck for your tutor target. Ya know, so they won’t search through the deck finding all the combos, and instead need to figure them out more naturally.
Serum Visions and Vendilion Clique still see play in 1v1 Highlander formats. V Clique was recently added to Arena so now I get to hit my fellow Zoomers with them.
I could see Ragavan being still a good one drop in 10 years. A good one amongst many others. Watching this video reminds me that I once bought a playset of kitchen finks for 15 € each. 😂😅
Serum Visions and Preordained are two of my favorite cards of all time cause they allow me to play Ancestral Recall in my Commander deck without spending my rent money on a single card. Lol
I had preordered 2 tarmos at $15 each... then I sold them when they were worth $50, xince there was no way they would ever be worth more than that... how my heart ended up bleeding when their value continued going up
I started playing modern Jund around 2015 and the price of the Goyfs and Lilis alone was probably around €7-800. The fall in price does not make me sad because more affordable cards makes Magic a better and more accessible game. The bit that does make me sad is that part of the reason the price has fallen is that these cards are less viable in modern than they used to be. I have so many great memories attached to these cards and I miss being able to cast them. I'm pretty sure I even cast a few against Jamin at a GP many years ago!
I know you talked about it briefly all the enchantments you could draft in Wilds of Eldraine. One that has been really fun to play is Necropotence. I can't play it on arena in any other format so I draft it every time I see it lol
How is Necropotence "fun"? It's just overpowered. In draft(20life, 1v1, no tutors, primary wincon is always through life-reducing beatdown) it's barrrrely scratching the line of "powerful, but not completely bonkers overpowered".
@@music00soba We all know that people like playing obviously overpowered cards. The whole question is "where is the fun aside from the obvious outrageous overpoweredness?".
Rag will bottom at $13 if it sees reprints and some key red decks see bans AND another bowmasters like card gets printed again to make X/1s bad. It’s too efficient in too many decks to ever be truly a bulk rare.
Alot of these cards when revealed broke my heart. Especially when I buy them before their price dropped. May I ask for a continuation? Also, how many giant half cards do you guys have?
I hope that magic is still something that we can all still enjoy this much 10 years from now (also i hope that Ragsy drops by then or I'm never completing my legends collection)
So sad about goyf and clique. For me still staples in my heart... And it was probably the modern format that i enjoy the most ( i played a lot of temur eternal command )
Ah yeah Utopia sprawl...Wilds of Eldraine definitely did a number on that card. I bought a box of WoE and I think I must have pulled like 7 or 8 of the damn things. They are *super* common on the bonus sheet compared to Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe (both of which have also dropped in price thanks to the reprints with only the anime Smothering Tithe still being above £20 if you buy from UK only)
Very well done and interesting but looks like you missed the elefant in the room: enemy fetchlands have dropped half in price since 2016 where they were 25€ RW, 30€ BW, 35€ BG, 40€ UG, 45€ UR; Snapcaster Mage, a creature that not only used to be 40€ each but also was "the best creature printed in modern" for Reid Duke; Jace TMS, who, speaking of modern, was banned for many years and now struggles to see play at all; Knight of Reliquary, another big name in the modern menu back in 2015-16, now pretty cheap; Dark Confidant, who was the best draw engine in black now has been pushed out of Magic by W&6.
oh dang, i started building a deck that wants to run Exsanguinate like a year before Commander Masters but decided to play something cheaper in its place. Guess it's time to get one of those slotted in there!
I was glad to see Exsanguinate get reprinted with some sweet new art. I had two playsets that I traded in a couple years ago, and damn am I glad I did. I HATE that they keep insisting that Urza gets reprinted. My Retro foil is not happy....😭
That was an absolutely *wild* bait at the end, most people when they do a bit like that sit on it for a second or two, I genuinely thought the video was over 🤣
If Magic continues its current trend, I expect the equivalent Ragavan in ten years to be a 0-mana uncounterable creature with Flash and Split Second that can be cast from your library that says "You win the game you're playing, all games you'll ever play until the end of time, and all games that you have ever played in the past, but only if you own 1000 unique WotC NFTs and have sold half your brain to Hasbro for digital storage."
i sold my Sheoldred, the Apocalypse from DMU Prerelease too early for ~50 €. but i see her ~80€ status right now in danger. Hasbro will reprint... sooner or later
I like the message, treat the cards as game pieces. That is the thing that I dislike, I have seen people upset at reprints and stuff like that because "it affects the value of the card"... dude... they are game pieces, the value should be what you can do with it in your deck, I hope they keep reprinting cards into the ground so everyone can play the game and play whatever they want
It's also meant to be a collectable card game, stores make money off of singles not off of packs, you print cards into oblivion we lose our LGS and those owners lose their home and lively hoods seems a horrible trade off if you ask me.
@@gnarleytarley3870 ... what? absolutely not, stores make more money from sealed products than they do from singles, just look at what has happened with yugioh, some stores have stopped selling it because they can't make money from the sealed product, where did you even hear stores make money from singles?
I play with Strip Mine in commander, targeted land destruction is sometimes needed. Lands like Gaea's Cradle and other lands need to be dealt with. Just don't run mass land destruction, that makes you a jerk.
I sold all my goyfs when it was sitting at $100 each when MM15 dropped...(sold 5 total) a few friends said I was nuts. I had seller remorse...until I bought a whole new playset for $24.
A friend had fate reforged promo ugin and sold it. I was one day late my brother wanted to give him his Tarmogoyf which the friend could've sold for a higher price to trade for the Ugin. Both were kinda disappointed. Knowing the price drop this hurts even more. Especially because it was hard for my brother to sell cards after all he lives on the country side. And well he wasn't too sure about shipping.
In 10 years, if any of you have changed jobs, moved countries, even if Card Market or the RUclips channel is dead, hell even if Magic is dead, we will still want the 3 of you to get together for the Ragavan price video
about ragavan i think he will always be around 40, he will not be reprinted probably as then we need to go back to kaladesh which is highly unlikelly that it will happen soon(although i would love it as it is my favorite set), the only thing that could happen is banning ragavan from any format that will lower the price a lot, everyone that does not play it anymore will sell the card as fast as possible flooding the market with ragavans.
Currently, October 2023, a (near mint trend) Ragavan is ~62 (near mint trend) Sol rings on CardMarket. My guess is that in 2033 it will be ~10 Sol rings. I legit think it will never be strictly powercrept, but I think it might get banned in some formats, or non-commander formats might die down, or the gameplay might evolve where Ragavan isn't seeing top tier play.
Gonna agree with you there. I don't think they will ever make a strictly better ragavan, it will probably just stop being played due to metagame changes. If non-commander formats die, magic dies, so we don't need to worry about that scenario since then everything will collapse anyway.
This is why i buy box to draft them and i only use custom proxies for my commander decks. The price volatility of magic card outside reserved list is too big...
Haha no 😅 the joke is that they are incredibly impractical videos that people have been asking for. The footage under the table would be two hours of dark footage with bad audio and feet in it, but somehow people ask for it. We're saving the people from asking for something they don't actually want :)
Off topic of the video but thanks to you guys I finally started playing MTG! Started on MTGA with the color challenges and now I'm building a budget Urza EDH deck (fitting for the thumbnail lol! All the bits and pieces were surprisingly cheap! Even the cedh staple!) Now I'm looking into a 60 card format to get into and I'm considering either Pauper or Pioneer. Thanks for introducing me to this world! (Though my wallet would be less happy lmao)
That's so sweet to hear! :D welcome to our favourite game! I'd recommend pauper as a fun early format as the decks are cheap and play more fairly than any other format :) thank you for your comment
One thing to keep in mind is that Wizards stock price has tanked this year. For the first time in a long time, wall Street doesn't have high hopes for the future of MTG. In ten tears, Ragavan might be the most expensive creature in modern at $15
Did Serum Vision go down due to the Preordain unban? And obviously Ragavan will be 8-10 Sol Rings because WotC will have unbanned Gut Shot or reprinted it or powercrept it.
Serum visions went down in price due to multiple things, multiple reprints and the printing of better cantrips like consider and the reprint of opt. Visions hasn’t really been used much for 5 or more years. Also, gut shot isn’t banned anywhere.
Exsanguinate "really bad" ?! I question your way of thinking sir ! :P Also, why did "Future Sight" and "Bonus Round" appeared on the screen and no one talked about them ?
My total collection value has dropped 20% the last 2 years, and it’s all thanks to the insane power creep and the amount of product produced by WotC. And it’s not just me its most i know especially if you had cards orienterede for modern.
That card was expensive because it was a Standard chase card. There's been hundreds of those over the years. Vraska's Contempt at $20? Rekindling Phoenix at $25-30? Those are from the same era even. You can make a 5-hour video of cards that were $20+ because of standard and are now $0.20.
2033- Ragavan = 3/4 sol rings? And a 1-drop will have to have 4 power, or 3 with serious upside effects, to be top-tier playable in any largely aggro strategy. And the majority of new full-set releases and tournament-playable cards will be from non-Magic intellectual property, so most of the people trying to work in Ragavans will be doing it just for the nostalgia value.
I love that Carl constantly plugged Pauper! A MAN FOR THE PEOPLE!
I would love to see some videos of user submitted Pauper decks! Or just Pauper videos in general
YES! Submitted pauper decks would be awesome! :D Though the 50 dollar restriction on the decks might not work quite as well 🤣. But pauper is definitely a format that should be covered more in general cuz it's very difficult for wizards to price people out of pauper XD
Tarmogoyf was in my local store's cheap card binder for $10... how the mighty have fallen. Broke my heart. I remember opening one in a MM2 draft and losing my mind! The Pro Tour when it was picked over a Burst Lightning ... so many great stories with the goyf.
Preordered my playset before Futuresight hit the shelves for ten bucks. Sold them for 170 around 2009. They did get even more expensive later but I didn't care.
I opened my first and only Tarmagoyf at Modern Masters GP in Utrecht. I sold it right there at the vendor for €120 and never looked back.
One of my fondest memories of Magic is opening a box of Modern Masters with the friend who introduced me to the game. I remember how hard my hand was shaking as I opened a Tarmogoyf. He'll always be the king to me.
Still have mine in binder, still has sentimental value. But damn those reprints hurt my souls.
Still have my tarmos...the card is still good in modern, maybe not in the actual best deck, but who cares? He can eventually become better with the addition of battles in the format (good ones, of course)
Carl's wardrobe is so interesting and cool. A little out there sometimes but he always just rocks it like it's the most natural thing for him to wear. Stay stylish Carl!!!
Thank you :)
It rarely gets mentioned, but there was a time when Celestial Colonade was $60 each, and Engineered Explosives was at $100, and worldwake Colonade right now is like $2 lol.
I remember paying $80 for my first EEs. That was 2018. It was rough. It had been reprinted once in MM2013 and that was it.
Magic is a lot cheaper than it was before - $100 fetches were a thing too lmao.
I was there, Gandalf... Trying to build Jeskai Geist in 2018...
@@StickyBombLauncher yeah but fetches are multi-format staples, even EE gets used by different decks until now, but Colonnade is used in only 1 deck, that and Grove of the Burnwillows, once upon a time they were sooo overpriced lol
I remember my Worldwake release day. Some wiiiild hunts for manlands and occasional screams of "OMG I got Jace" from the corner immediately followed by all the sharks surrounding some poor kid. Sometimes I miss paper magic, but then I see some of these prices and my heart breaks so much. Prices are 100 times worse these days.
I really hope you guys do the videos you showed at 11:30, I got really excited to see Jamin ruining his back playing the Sharazad subgame
This is exactly why I never buy expensive cards. Can’t play with certain cards for a while unless you proxy but with the savings I can buy many more cards and decks.
This was a cool video to see how many cards have changed.
I actually have a playset Utopia Sprawls laying around that i must have traded or bought for pretty cheap about 10 years ago, really funny to find out it went through such a rollercoaster, but i'm happy to know reprints are diminishing these needlessly high prices nicely.
In 10 years ragavan will be worth €4.74 30 day average
I think the real question mark card is Sheoldred, multi format staple showing no sign of stopping.
I've been out of magic for a while but I casually keep up with the state of the game and I cannot for the life of me understand how Sheoldred costs as much as she does. It's like... a slightly better Siege Rhino?? How is a 4 cost beater even playable in formats where Ragavan, Voidwalker, opt, etc are legal? Would boomer jund even play Sheoldred over huntmaster/Kalitas back in the day?
@@kolr2873 It's mostly that high because it's super playable in many formats, modern, standard, pioneer, commander, etc. so the demand is high. The recent price spikes were most likely bc of Modern with the printing of the One Ring. You can use them together to stabilize insanely well and also punish your opponent for playing the Ring.
Sheoldred will not last anywhere near 10 years. Its power level is nowhere near ragavan or goyf or even clique. It's barely played in modern right now, let alone in 10 years.
@@kolr2873 It is definitely overpriced but what you're missing is that sheoldred is a win con by itself, without even needing to attack. some decks just scoop to a resolved sheoldred.
@@kolr2873 I'm not an expert but it's a MUCH better siege rhino, I'd say. Mono-coloured (easier to cast), continuously gains you life and loses your opponent life rather than just an etb, synergy with card draw to keep your life total up and punishes opponent's card draw.
Can't speak for most formats since on paper I just play commander with friends where she's not all that good, but I play standard bo3 on Arena with a spellslingy burny Izzet deck and whenever Sheolderd resolves and I don't get an answer in the next 2 turns it's pretty safe to say I've lost. Seems like a pretty strong counter to my kind of deck in particular since I like drawing cards and don't have many sources of 5+ damage but I imagine it's rough for others too.
Okay but for real tho, both of the fakeout video ideas look fun as hell, obviously the Shahrazad one might not be possible if theres no footage but AI (Or custom) Commanders sounds really fun
Lol thanks for mentioning it, I didn't even spot those!
Love the mix of content! Excellent gameplay and good information to know!
It feels like the gap between expencive and cheap cards is becoming larger and larger as time goes on
Also, this is way more then 5 cards
The destruction of the planeswalker middle class has been ongoing ever since the election of Urza
No modern stables today are 175€. The most expensive cards used to be way more than they are today.
Every card I need is $10 or $400
@@TaisxD That's because wizards is killing modern to prop up arena.
I reckon Ragavan will go the same way as Goyf. Answers will be printed that handle it too efficiently, the meta will shift, power creep will happen, but it has a level of iconic-ness that will prevent people from selling it for too cheap. Just the fact that it is _the_ Ragavan will probably be enough to keep demand high.
They already printed answers to it in the form of the pitch-cast elementals. Eventually every one-drop creature will need to have Ancestral Recall stapled onto it in order to be considered playable. In a roundabout way, Ragavan is already dangerously close to being exactly that as it is.
@@cameroncorrado3935 in 10 years we are gonna ask if ancestral recall be power crept out of vintage
@@cameroncorrado3935 Heck, Orcish Bowmasters already makes Ragavan answered immediately with a bigger, badder threat
think goblin guide..
Also, I doubt Ragavan will ever be as iconic as Goyf was simply because of how long Goyf was good. Currently WotC's card-creating policies DEPEND on making Ragavan unplayable as soon as possible in order to capitalize on the market of competitive players.
A friend of mine who plays magic super casual, does not keep up with new times, I bought him a play set of Tarmogoyhs. He still believed they were super expensive. I never told him how cheap they became because his head exploded with happiness finally owning a play set. I paid 7.50$ each for them.
That still a very nice gift. It is not just the price that matters, its the thoughtfulness!
You're a great friend, doesn't matter how cheap they are now, but if someone gives me a set of goyfs, one of the most iconic mtg creatures of all time, i'd explode with happiness too lol
I remember, when MM15 came out. I bought ONE booster. and get one normal Tarmo, and also one in foil. The other ones around me where shocked (I was too). But at the time, I didn't play green, so I sold it to the store manager to a good price.
Holy shit, I can't believe this happened to someone else! I just sold them back to the store for in store credit and bought a box.
Noble hierarch had such a major crash... it was at 60€, now for this price you could get 5 copies...
here in Brazil pauper is huge. we just don't have the market weight for make this scratch the prices of common cards globaly
another format growing much is what we call "Commander 500" which would translate well to "commander 100U$ or 100euros"
My buddies and I played $100 commander years ago, some of the most fun I've had building and playing with the gan. Would recommend
I totally agree, Ragavan bulk rare in 10 years.
Lol I've been cataloging my collection recently via manabox so I can actually find things to build with vs looking at 15,000 cards and going its gotta be there somewhere.....So I've had a lot of these moments the last week. Seeing staples you remember being hard to track down playsets for at the time and now its a bulk rare or down shifted lol. As someone who started playing when Lion's Eye Diamond was called trash it was a heartwarming to see it become the little lotus that could this far down the line. After sitting on my collection I'm trying to go back in and put it to use building a pauper play box and hopefully coming up with a few random cubes to time capsule my era(s) of magic (Mirage- Invasion) and also build a few to experience limited environments I missed over the years.... I missed Innistrad everytime 😭. I missed Lorwyn, I missed Kamigawa, I missed good Ravnica.... RTR block had a few gems but man what a lackluster time to try and make a comeback into game in hindsight lol fell back off at Theros when my playgroup fell apart.
I'd like to put together a "Binder of Regret" full of cards that were once worth a lot but got reprinted into the ground, to show off how dumb I've been to not sell them when I had the chance.
Back then, 7 years ago, when I started playing modern, I builded jund shadow, I spented 1'500 euro and 400 of them where a playset of goyfs 😅
💎🙌 brother
My friends and I started doing this thing where we made commander decks for each other, without telling them anything about the deck. We then all play a game with these decks, with the commanders face down. As a special action on your turn, you may ask a yes or no question about your commander, and then you may guess the commander. You may only cast the commander once you have gotten it right. It is an interesting test for improvisation and figuring out the deck you are playing on the fly. I highly recommend it, even off camera.
Side note: because tutors make the mystery aspect of the game less interesting, we have a restriction on all tutors that you have 3 seconds to look at the deck for your tutor target. Ya know, so they won’t search through the deck finding all the combos, and instead need to figure them out more naturally.
Serum Visions and Vendilion Clique still see play in 1v1 Highlander formats. V Clique was recently added to Arena so now I get to hit my fellow Zoomers with them.
I could see Ragavan being still a good one drop in 10 years. A good one amongst many others.
Watching this video reminds me that I once bought a playset of kitchen finks for 15 € each. 😂😅
Serum Visions and Preordained are two of my favorite cards of all time cause they allow me to play Ancestral Recall in my Commander deck without spending my rent money on a single card. Lol
You keep preaching the good word of pauper Carl!!!
I had preordered 2 tarmos at $15 each... then I sold them when they were worth $50, xince there was no way they would ever be worth more than that... how my heart ended up bleeding when their value continued going up
16:15 what is Carl pointing at thats got him so excited? Lol
Great video as always guys :) The chemistry you three have is fantastic
I had 8 utopia sprawl foil at one point around the master25 time, happy I sold 4 of them.
I started playing modern Jund around 2015 and the price of the Goyfs and Lilis alone was probably around €7-800. The fall in price does not make me sad because more affordable cards makes Magic a better and more accessible game. The bit that does make me sad is that part of the reason the price has fallen is that these cards are less viable in modern than they used to be.
I have so many great memories attached to these cards and I miss being able to cast them. I'm pretty sure I even cast a few against Jamin at a GP many years ago!
I know you talked about it briefly all the enchantments you could draft in Wilds of Eldraine. One that has been really fun to play is Necropotence. I can't play it on arena in any other format so I draft it every time I see it lol
just play it in paper, where you can proxy out a deck with all the other fun expensive cards
I saw it earlier today in a Historic Brawl match, so it must be legal there.
How is Necropotence "fun"? It's just overpowered.
In draft(20life, 1v1, no tutors, primary wincon is always through life-reducing beatdown) it's barrrrely scratching the line of "powerful, but not completely bonkers overpowered".
@@TehKorwinMikke some people enjoy playing with good cards its not that deep
@@music00soba We all know that people like playing obviously overpowered cards. The whole question is "where is the fun aside from the obvious outrageous overpoweredness?".
I agree, Karl. Pauper is a very good format.
Rag will bottom at $13 if it sees reprints and some key red decks see bans AND another bowmasters like card gets printed again to make X/1s bad.
It’s too efficient in too many decks to ever be truly a bulk rare.
Love how often he says Pauper and praises it! I would love a pauper commander match! (maybe brawl size)
OOOOOOH heck yeah! Pauper commander is the best.
Low-budget commander is also fun, just a little more tedious.
I'll guess that 10 years from now, Ragavan will be worth about 5 Sol Rings. Who knows if I'll remember to check this in 2033, though.
You guys have been killing it lately! Such fun videos.
Aaaand an Urza for my Jeskai Artifice cube has been purchased. lol Thank you thumbnail. Glad it reached a price point where I was happy with it.
Alot of these cards when revealed broke my heart. Especially when I buy them before their price dropped. May I ask for a continuation? Also, how many giant half cards do you guys have?
I hope that magic is still something that we can all still enjoy this much 10 years from now (also i hope that Ragsy drops by then or I'm never completing my legends collection)
In 10 years no one will even know what Ragavan does, and honestly it’ll be better that way
It has enough text that alot of players don't know what it does now
So sad about goyf and clique. For me still staples in my heart... And it was probably the modern format that i enjoy the most ( i played a lot of temur eternal command )
Ah yeah Utopia sprawl...Wilds of Eldraine definitely did a number on that card. I bought a box of WoE and I think I must have pulled like 7 or 8 of the damn things. They are *super* common on the bonus sheet compared to Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe (both of which have also dropped in price thanks to the reprints with only the anime Smothering Tithe still being above £20 if you buy from UK only)
My 2015 commander decks i spent $1500+ each on is now worth trash 😢😢😢
Very well done and interesting but looks like you missed the elefant in the room: enemy fetchlands have dropped half in price since 2016 where they were 25€ RW, 30€ BW, 35€ BG, 40€ UG, 45€ UR; Snapcaster Mage, a creature that not only used to be 40€ each but also was "the best creature printed in modern" for Reid Duke; Jace TMS, who, speaking of modern, was banned for many years and now struggles to see play at all; Knight of Reliquary, another big name in the modern menu back in 2015-16, now pretty cheap; Dark Confidant, who was the best draw engine in black now has been pushed out of Magic by W&6.
oh dang, i started building a deck that wants to run Exsanguinate like a year before Commander Masters but decided to play something cheaper in its place. Guess it's time to get one of those slotted in there!
I was glad to see Exsanguinate get reprinted with some sweet new art. I had two playsets that I traded in a couple years ago, and damn am I glad I did.
I HATE that they keep insisting that Urza gets reprinted. My Retro foil is not happy....😭
That was an absolutely *wild* bait at the end, most people when they do a bit like that sit on it for a second or two, I genuinely thought the video was over 🤣
I love these segments. Many of these needed a reprint.
If Magic continues its current trend, I expect the equivalent Ragavan in ten years to be a 0-mana uncounterable creature with Flash and Split Second that can be cast from your library that says "You win the game you're playing, all games you'll ever play until the end of time, and all games that you have ever played in the past, but only if you own 1000 unique WotC NFTs and have sold half your brain to Hasbro for digital storage."
i sold my Sheoldred, the Apocalypse from DMU Prerelease too early for ~50 €. but i see her ~80€ status right now in danger. Hasbro will reprint... sooner or later
When do you think Dauthi Voidwalker will drop price? I'm actually building Greel's commander (shown in this channel) and this one is too expensive ;(
I think we should all measure the price of cards in Sol Rings from now on
13:03 Nice on Toffel. Don´t know how many caught that song reference.
I like the message, treat the cards as game pieces. That is the thing that I dislike, I have seen people upset at reprints and stuff like that because "it affects the value of the card"... dude... they are game pieces, the value should be what you can do with it in your deck, I hope they keep reprinting cards into the ground so everyone can play the game and play whatever they want
It's also meant to be a collectable card game, stores make money off of singles not off of packs, you print cards into oblivion we lose our LGS and those owners lose their home and lively hoods seems a horrible trade off if you ask me.
@@gnarleytarley3870 ... what? absolutely not, stores make more money from sealed products than they do from singles, just look at what has happened with yugioh, some stores have stopped selling it because they can't make money from the sealed product, where did you even hear stores make money from singles?
I play with Strip Mine in commander, targeted land destruction is sometimes needed. Lands like Gaea's Cradle and other lands need to be dealt with. Just don't run mass land destruction, that makes you a jerk.
"Noone will be caught dead playing a Wild Nacatl"
Me, who played it a few nights ago: 👀
I'm sad to see Tarmogoyf fall so far. I forgot who said this, but Tarmogoyf was the best blue creature, haha,
Lilliana of the Veil is also a card I "lost" a lot of money on. Used to be amazing in modern, but now? Nobody plays it anymore.
Mono-Black Pioneer plays her, and there’s also 8-rack. But yeah, not a ubiquitous card in Modern anymore
do this more this is so cool! (you should do biggest price drops of all time)
Hearing the music swell...then noting that there are 4 minutes left in the video and getting excited for more content 😁
I sold all my goyfs when it was sitting at $100 each when MM15 dropped...(sold 5 total) a few friends said I was nuts. I had seller remorse...until I bought a whole new playset for $24.
I got the confetti foil doubling season and I'm considering selling it now because of powercreep more than because of reprints.
Sell the trash gimmick now!
I never had the goyfs, but I wish I had known to sell my Serum Visions. They are just sitting in a box.
A friend had fate reforged promo ugin and sold it. I was one day late my brother wanted to give him his Tarmogoyf which the friend could've sold for a higher price to trade for the Ugin. Both were kinda disappointed. Knowing the price drop this hurts even more. Especially because it was hard for my brother to sell cards after all he lives on the country side. And well he wasn't too sure about shipping.
Crazy how ragavan was 60€ like in march of this year and now it's at around 30
They did urza dirty man. Breaks my heart. My mh2 urza etched is still one of my favorite pulls. Unreal the amount of reprints. What 8 bucks now?
very interesting, thanks cardmarket!
Great content as always
Great video, if you guys are planning to do another you should add mikaeus the unhalloed ❤
I think Vendilion Clique would still be worth 10-15$ if Wren and Six and Bowmasters weren’t in Modern.
WE NEED THOSE TWO EPISODES
I predict Ragavan will be worth 9.18USD and solring will be worth 1 cent each, so 1 Ragavan will be 918 Sol Rings
In 10 years, if any of you have changed jobs, moved countries, even if Card Market or the RUclips channel is dead, hell even if Magic is dead, we will still want the 3 of you to get together for the Ragavan price video
I've never bought utopia sprawl for the price, then i watched the video.
Thank you! ❤
Bought 12 utopia sprawl for 0.40 ea shortly after the reprint lol some great reprints in that set
about ragavan i think he will always be around 40, he will not be reprinted probably as then we need to go back to kaladesh which is highly unlikelly that it will happen soon(although i would love it as it is my favorite set), the only thing that could happen is banning ragavan from any format that will lower the price a lot, everyone that does not play it anymore will sell the card as fast as possible flooding the market with ragavans.
Currently, October 2023, a (near mint trend) Ragavan is ~62 (near mint trend) Sol rings on CardMarket.
My guess is that in 2033 it will be ~10 Sol rings. I legit think it will never be strictly powercrept, but I think it might get banned in some formats, or non-commander formats might die down, or the gameplay might evolve where Ragavan isn't seeing top tier play.
Gonna agree with you there. I don't think they will ever make a strictly better ragavan, it will probably just stop being played due to metagame changes. If non-commander formats die, magic dies, so we don't need to worry about that scenario since then everything will collapse anyway.
Great format, great music too!
This is why i buy box to draft them and i only use custom proxies for my commander decks.
The price volatility of magic card outside reserved list is too big...
When Modern was announced I traded my extra V cliques for a Library of Alexandria. Good times.
Can we talk about Gilded Drake needing a reprint? Lol. My Aminatou needs it.
So are the videos on the fake outro real or not? Cause I do want to see what happened on the sub game
Haha no 😅 the joke is that they are incredibly impractical videos that people have been asking for. The footage under the table would be two hours of dark footage with bad audio and feet in it, but somehow people ask for it. We're saving the people from asking for something they don't actually want :)
Serum visions has no place in modern or pauper with Preordain now legal and even with Opt or Consider if you need fast tempo
Off topic of the video but thanks to you guys I finally started playing MTG! Started on MTGA with the color challenges and now I'm building a budget Urza EDH deck (fitting for the thumbnail lol! All the bits and pieces were surprisingly cheap! Even the cedh staple!) Now I'm looking into a 60 card format to get into and I'm considering either Pauper or Pioneer. Thanks for introducing me to this world! (Though my wallet would be less happy lmao)
That's so sweet to hear! :D welcome to our favourite game! I'd recommend pauper as a fun early format as the decks are cheap and play more fairly than any other format :) thank you for your comment
Is it just me or is the sound too loud and distorted in the section with Serum Visions?
All these cards are great for a cube! And deliciously cheap...
Excellent *taps fingers together*
Perfect!
Halloween of next year!
Perfect timing 😁😁
Lyobe your content and cant wait to see that video on ragavan's value 😅😅
One thing to keep in mind is that Wizards stock price has tanked this year. For the first time in a long time, wall Street doesn't have high hopes for the future of MTG. In ten tears, Ragavan might be the most expensive creature in modern at $15
true but stock prices are not in any way related to the real world.
Did Serum Vision go down due to the Preordain unban? And obviously Ragavan will be 8-10 Sol Rings because WotC will have unbanned Gut Shot or reprinted it or powercrept it.
Serum visions went down in price due to multiple things, multiple reprints and the printing of better cantrips like consider and the reprint of opt. Visions hasn’t really been used much for 5 or more years.
Also, gut shot isn’t banned anywhere.
Exsanguinate "really bad" ?! I question your way of thinking sir ! :P Also, why did "Future Sight" and "Bonus Round" appeared on the screen and no one talked about them ?
I guess they're saving Snapcaster for another video. I picked up a playset on the cheap, but I can't make them make sense in that many builds.
Still playable in EDH.
My total collection value has dropped 20% the last 2 years, and it’s all thanks to the insane power creep and the amount of product produced by WotC.
And it’s not just me its most i know especially if you had cards orienterede for modern.
im suprised liliana of the veil and karn liberated weren't included in this list. Ragavan will hopefully be $5 in 10 years.
Did History of Benalia get mentioned? Card is still ridiculous value and can win a game on the spot when dropped consecutively.
That card was expensive because it was a Standard chase card. There's been hundreds of those over the years. Vraska's Contempt at $20? Rekindling Phoenix at $25-30? Those are from the same era even. You can make a 5-hour video of cards that were $20+ because of standard and are now $0.20.
@@JD-gk7eh Very good point.
Dang, should've got out of my foil playset of dissension utopia sprawl when they were $50.
I was so curious what you guys were going to call cents because I didn't know how the euro broke down.
2033- Ragavan = 3/4 sol rings?
And a 1-drop will have to have 4 power, or 3 with serious upside effects, to be top-tier playable in any largely aggro strategy.
And the majority of new full-set releases and tournament-playable cards will be from non-Magic intellectual property, so most of the people trying to work in Ragavans will be doing it just for the nostalgia value.
Holy shit I wish I knew Tarmogoyf was worth that much at one point, fairly certain I have a couple of them resting peacefully in my bulk green.
Love watching these guys!!!! Great line-up
NOW THIS IS THE BEST TYPE OF CONTENT stuff like this I love and neeed!
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