Can Any Deck Box Beat The Ultimate Guard Boulder and Ultra Pro Tower? | Magic The Gathering| Pokemon
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Btw, that striped suit is really sweet on you 😄
The Boulder N Tray is more of a sequel to the Ultimate Guard Monolith that was discontinued. Comparing the two, the Boulder N Tray is certainly smaller. The Monolith had a much better fit on the inside.
i liked boulder cases but bcw prism cases i think are just as good and i started buying after seeing the video and the price
Do Satin Cubes fit in a Quiver as comfortably as Boulders do?
A small bits tray that fits inside the bastion would make it great for lower count card game decks.
Great video. You should also include a "falling from a table" test, to see if the box stays shut and keeps the cards, or if it splits open...
Or if it breaks your floor!
My boulder actually fell off a short table, it was about 2-3 feet tall. The top came off and some of the cards came out.
Ive damn near thrown my satin tower off kitchen table height and its held like a charm. YMMV
@eri_noemi1462 oh that sucks, I've dropped quite a few and never had mine bust open
Important test. I got a boulder n tray during the first wave. I forgot to close my backpack and it fell out on the concrete when I got out of the store. Cards went on the floor and the box is cracked from its first day.
Ultimate Guard has a lot more of my money than Ultra Pro for one main reason: subtler branding. I really can't get over the plastic-chromey "Ultra Pro" badge on those boxes. Brings me back to the 90s, like cheap containers for colored pencils.
I'm very much the same way. Satin towers just look tacky, i don't like their design at all, and the main problem is indeed the badge
Gamegenic bastions look a lot better but still, the overly transparent acrylic makes them look kind of cheap, the more opaque boulders are still the winners in the looks department imo
@@DrunkGekowell put by both of you. I actually bought a single one of the bastion xl’s because i have a deck thats fully double sleeved and barely fit in a boulder so i snagged one of those so i wasnt cramming a questionably priced deck into a tight space. With that i also agree i dont like how clear the deck boxes are. Weirdly enough. I want them to be ultimate guard see through without being clear. Just a personal choice though. The bastions are very nice as well just less preferred
For me ita because of the compact modular system between all of the hives with the boulders. Saves so much space for me
At least they don’t have the holographic Ultra Pro circle on the front of their sleeves anymore.
Also the chrome is a fingerprint magnet.
It's nice to see a classic Deck Box review return to this channel! And also, the promo for the next Shuffle up and Play was very nostalgic.
The engineer who created the boulder left the company and started Gamegenic. His Bastion is an extension of the boulder but fixing what they deemed bad design. If they release just a regular Bastion instead of the XL I think Boulders will be a thing of the past.
Wow cool info!
Wonder if that's subject to an IP lawsuit
@@thanhavictus All depends on on the contract between the employee and employer. But I doubt it because UG would have started that before GG got big. Plus all of GG’s products are extensions that are different than the product that were designed at UG.
Any idea what happened to this company? I can't find Bastion boxes anywhere now.
i would be surprised if the bastion is as durable as the boulder though. You can put a boulder through hell and it will almost always protect it's contents, which aside from the compactness was like it's other main selling point
One stand-out feature about the bastion over the other budget/slim boxes shown in this video that I really like is that the top piece flipped on its side is a great commander deck holder to keep the deck from falling over or losing cards from the top when drawing. The empty space in the U shaped latch makes it easy to fit your finger underneath to get your deck out of it to tutor and shuffle. It's not exactly necessary for 60- or less card formats, but many double sleeved, blinged-out commander decks are easy to partially or fully topple over, so the bastion is just a little nicer for thinking of that.
The glee with which you went at the Bastions is infectious. Bravo!
I love that we are getting more accessory product reviews. This is the content that made me fall in love with TCC
Facts dude. I love Prof's reviews. I always check his vids first when buying a new deck box or sleeves I don't already use.
I like the clear boulders. Being able to see your commander or FaB hero at the front is nice.
I have them for the same reason. Only issue I have, is that double sleeved cards are a tight fit.
@@stefanroets1770Same + you can add your tokens. I guess I have to try a bastion and then replace all of the clear boulder for clear bastion...
Those are the ones that I'm most likely going to get, even if these new Gamegenic Bastions look pretty tempting. I'm tired of not quite seeing what commander I have and it's frustrating.
@@Doofindork The bastions do have a clear version, looking at them now.
Like I said in another comment: you don't need anything more than a clear boulder. It's stylish, minimalistic and it's always useful to be able to see which deck is which while they sit comfortably in your custom made suitcase.
Ever since I found the ultimate guard sidewinder that’s been all I use for my decks. It’s definitely a bit bulkier and doesn’t have a dice tray, but I’m not a fan of the hard plastic feel so it works great for me. The magnetic lock is really nice too, plus there’s plenty of room for extra tokens and such
Gamegenic just does not miss when it comes to boxes. Ever since I saw the prof's review on the Watchtower boxes from them I was hooked, but they're quite pricey. I wanted to like the UG Boulders, but I use DS resealable inner Sleeves with DS Sleeves and they just don't fit, and UP Towers work perfectly fine, but I felt like they could be more. Excited to start giving the bastions a spin for whatever deck I make next.
love seeing these product comparison vids! they rly help me make a more informed decision
The new gamegenic Bastion are amazing, recently got a few and being able to hold a full double sleeved edh deck plus tokens in the same box and fit is on point with the gamegenic dungeon ect
Glad to see some good old accessory reviews coming back!
Many of my Ultra Pro and Ultimate Guard “satin” finish products have deteriorated over the years with sticky residue -AND I keep my hands clean! Believe it or not, plastic can release chemicals that cause this over time ;) it’s well documented in various toys. So I plan to switch over the the Bastion for my decks soon.
Unrelated, greetings from a Daggett with two ts
This! Its like the external soft "layer" on the old boulders become deteriorated, and come off in a kind of sticky lump
Also wanted to say, LOVED the preview animation for the next Shuffle Up & Play! That 9th&10th era intro was my favourite and most nostalgic, impeccable taste Prof
I had been thinking about picking up a Bastion or two ever since I saw Olivia and Elidh mention it. I'm glad to see you bring it to the review, and after that grade, I'm definitely going to pick a couple up.
As an engineer who looks for good design I really appreciate these kind of reviews, as well as the specific testing you do for them.
So so so soooo SO damn happy to see card accessory reviews again!!!!! The sleeves and boxes, i picked up a Bastion a week ago as i had never seen one before, so was curious tho hesitant since you hadn't reviewed it. Glad I made a good choice after all! Also had no idea Orism had nee colours until this vid! Here's hoping there's maybe binder/portfolio news?
It's cool to see that despite the many other succesfull video formats on this channel, you still care to give up to date information on your accessory product reviews.
Respect and many thanks for that!
I just started playing and collecting magic cards about a year ago, and it feels nice to have reviews like that which aren't 5 to 10 years old, even though not that much might have changed.
The bastion and hard sleeve seem really promising. Love your product videos! Thanks for the hard work prof
I love this series of videos prof. They're fun, informative and really well paced!
Glad to see the new boxes finally get thorough review. I might have to give the Bastion a try
If you wouldn't mind a suggestion from a viewer, try your shake tests specifically holding one piece of the deck box compared with holding the other piece. I've always found with boulders that I can shake them open fairly easily while holding them from the piece that has the inner part of the clasp. I bought one of these bastions and this problem is even more prominent with that box. I always and will continue to appreciate your insight on these products and its the main disciminator of what supplies I personally use.
Does the Bastion fit Ultra Pro Mini Snaps as well? Or does it only fit the Gamegenic slide card case
I use the Mini Snaps for my commanders and I can confirm that they fit perfectly inside the bastion
@@vlfive I second this. I have 4 commander decks in these each with mini snaps and there's still space, but good enough tension.
You get 12 slide card cases for around $10, they have a bigger area on the back so the beveled edges stack. Boulders finish seems to peel after two years, and they are snug on your deck.
Gamegenic is making great product.
Thank you for featuring the Bastion, wouldn't have known it exists withoit you for a long time still! Gamegenic has really been doing a good job for some years now. And anyways, thank you so much for all these amazing informative and well presented videos, as well as the entertainment of shuffle up and play. You're awesome and really appreciated!
Yes I'm sure the professors deck box can !!
I have the double and I don't think anything will ever beat it!
Something I wanna say! The BCW Prisms recently released a 'Polished' line, which essentially gives it a full glossy finish, and I've found the one I purchased for a sibling of mine to be an absolute NIGHTMARE to open.
The worst feeling when going to box a deck is when it juuuuust fits, but in a way where it feels like it probably shouldn't. Great video as always!
Thank you, had been waiting for this one. Love your product reviews, so helpful for me.
This video format is amazing, pls more! There are so many card game products out there that it is impossible to keep track of what are quality products and what fit my need. Your Videos are making my life a lot easier and are also quite entertaining, thank you.
One interesting test I'd like to see with these is the throw-it-on-the-ground test, simulating what happens when my bag splits open and spills my decks on the concrete. How well do tower, boulder, cube, prism, bastion or whatever comes out next actually stay shut when there's impact involved? The Bastion for example looks like a winner on most fronts here, but the material seems thinner, so it might crack easier on a fall, allowing the lid to come off after all.
Oh My God. A Deckbox review and Card Sleeve review within a week? I'm so fucking hard right now
Dude me too
I have just started digging through my old MTG cards since my kiddo is old enough to start playing and wants to try out some commander. I just want you to know I appreciate the thoroughness of your reviews as I start picking up some storage solutions for our new decks.
I absolutely love these product review videos. These are what I look for when I think of the prof. also, the jacket looks fabulous! love everything about this upload. Thank you professor.
The bastion has quickly become my favorite deck box. Lots of room and perfect for sitting on the shelf to display my pet decks.
I'm not a whole lot in to MTG or card games but you're entertaining in so many levels and also comprehensive and detailed. Thanks! :)
Funny timing, I had just bought a couple Bastions for some new decks cause I thought they looked cool. Was a bit worried about how the plastic would hold up in my bag but it's doing well so far.
YES! It's the video we wanted all along! Thank you!
I'm glad to see more product reviews back on this channel
I’ve only got four commander decks (so far)- my two home-brewed decks are in clear Boulders, and my two pre-cons are in clear Bastions, and I LOVE the Bastions so much. They got my double sleeved decks, thick commander and perfect-fit single sleeves double-sides tokens with ease. I’ll definitely be checking out those sliding commander card holders!
Miss the reviews. Happy to see this in my feed. Takes me back to school when debating on what sleeves to use my only $20 on.
Yeah I've always had to shimmy my Ultra Pro Cubes apart to open them which I didn't have an issue with. It feels solid and sturdy. Though at one point we just started 3D printing our deck boxes lol. Dunno if I'd put those to the test with that wild shake test you did but it saves a lot and they're still plenty solid in general use.
Me personally I like having a little more resistance on my Cubes. It makes my decks feel safer.
Fantastic video once again!! I'll definitely have to get my hands on some of those gamegenic boxes!
Ultimate guard sidewinders have been a really nice home for my commander decks lately and look real nice all in an Omnihive (8 deck case). Subtle branding, felt material inside and great colors to choose from I’ve been really happy with the purchase and would recommend.
Another great video. When my wife and I got into Commander a few years ago, everyone recommended the Tower. We bought two different styles, but both deck boxes were difficult to open. We haven't bought another Tower since. We have bought several Alcove and competitor's Alcove-style boxes since we can fit the commander in a hard sleeve in the flap.
It looks like most of your shaking of the Bastion had your hands on the sides of the bastion where the rivets connect the shells. That is definitely the most natural way to grab it, but would be great to see another shake test where the hold is different to really test the hold between the connections. My guess is they still hold, but just thought it would good to check further.
Don't know if you've gotten a chance to mess around with them yet, but we found out tonight that they fail the shake test when you hold them upside down.
I had a very expensive deck (a few thousand) in it, but I was very lucky that nothing got damaged as they all fell out.
Thank you very much for your detailed reviews, awesome as always!
Ultimate Guard has just released the Boulder 133 series for Commander, at present it only comes only in the Return to Earth plastic, I've got mine coming in the mail soon, it should be perfect for commander deck + tokens.
I own two and it perfectly holds my thick as hell commander deck plus an ungodly amount of tokens 😅
The Boulder Tower is my favorite box. I love how it opens, and the dice try at the bottom is perfect.
I only use Ultra Pro Tower deck boxes. All my decks are doubled sleeved with Dragon Shield resealable inners and outer and the Tower can fit approximately 103 cards with an additional 3 perpendicular to the deck., even with a large amount of foils. Plus I love swapping the parts so the deck boxes are color coordinated to the deck colors!
8:25 I bought a satin tower by your recommendation, and the same exact type and color you show here. It has a smudgey rubber degradation problem now, and it also has always had a tight opening/closing just like the cubes here.
Great video as always Prof, thanks!
Thanks for another great video! I just picked up a couple of boxes on Card Kingdom thanks to your references. Unfortunately, they are sold out of most of the items you endorse. They only had orange! Luckily... I like orange
Glad to see this one - has been an absolute pain trying to get boulders in the colours i want here in the UK (apparantly it's an import/supplier issue) but know that GameGenic are available, so will have to give them a go for my next one
Thank you Prof, I didnt even know the last boxes. These look awesome.
love those videos. It was what brought me here in the first place. Ohhh also we need a drop tests and such in the future
From some one that buys mostly boulders, I have noticed that depending on the plastic or resin used that the 2 halves don't fit perfectly together. especially the recycled plastic boulders, I always get bowing on the top half of the boulder. I tend to avoid the recycled plastic boulders now because of that.
The Home Depot hardware organizer with compartments: heavy duty. 12 decks, clear visibility, has a handle, durable. All I've ever wanted from a deck box! Thanks for the recommend allllll those years ago Proffesor!
I picked up a bastion recently after double sleeving my commander deck left it too snug for my liking in a boulder. I'm glad to see you've come to the same conclusion! Still waiting for my LGS to get in some of those sliding hard sleeves cos the traditional toploaders don't quite fit.
Very helpful review. Thank you.
I wish prof would do a triple sleeved deck box review. Hope to see one in the future!
Prof's Academic works wonders for triple sleeved commander decks. I just triple sleeved my mono black K'rrik deck and still have room.
I recently switched my thickest deck to the Boulder 133+. I'm pretty happy with the construction compared to the Boulder 100+. You should try it out if you're triple sleeving.
I bought an ultra pro deck box like that 13 years ago, but the paint started coming off after a few months and made anything around it stained.
Guess I should have waited until they used acryillic.
Love your reviews. You do a thorough job in analysis. I felt good about my Game Genic purchase.
I'm glad you kept up the tradition of the box shake. It's always a joy to see
I did not know that there were so many different Deck boxes. I like the Ultra Pro Tower and Bastion Deck boxes. Thank you for the video Professor.
This is a perfect video, because I think I have a need for all three of the top grades here, and it's great to know why each one fits my needs.
I am thoroughly impressed by the Bastion. Definitely gonna pick up an armful to replace my current edh deck boxes.
Very glad to see a new deck box review, along with the recent card sleeve review. Felt like old times.
I definitely will be considering the Bastion if I'm in the market for new deck boxes.
I believe the issue with the Satin Cube's difficulty with opening is with the satin finish. I found the glossy finish Cubes easier to open out of the box.
One minor point to add about the Satin Tower/Cube is that they are big enough to fit a mini-snap case or slide-card case, like the Bastion.
I keep my Elesh Norn judge foil in a UP mini-snap case and I really like being able to fit it in one of my Satin Towers.
Love to see more product review videos! Any chance you'll take a look at the product line from Heavy Play? They just showed up at my LGS.
I've been needing to get deck boxes for my precon commander decks. I need to keep them safe so I can play Daleks vs Hobbits as often as possible!
Thanks for the reviews! The Gamegenic Bastion seems perfect!
I was really into MTG until around 2019 and loved your product reviews - they were not only informative but had good entertainment value and were also oddly soothing.
I’ve transitioned into modern board games now and still occasionally watch these videos. I also try to use some of my old MTG accessories whenever possible to help with board game storage and organization. I loved the Boulders when I played Magic and they are still my go-to for organizing some board games because of their compactness, it can be a challenge to fit sleeved cards/deckboxes into board game boxes so having the most compact design is the main consideration for me now.
WOWIE. I already loved my GameGenic case and was sad that I couldn't use my BouldernTray to fit my deck anymore. I REALLY loved the see through plastic of it in blue so I'm DEFINITELY going to have to grab one of these. Hopefully I can fit all my tokens too...
I get into your channel by the sleeves and deckbox reviews. Now I play MTG for you professor, but I really love this kind of videos, And this one and the recent of the best sleeves on the market are one of my favorites, I love all your content, but accessories review are my favorites by far. Greetings from Mexico, and sorry for my poor english.
I think the possible issue with the Ultra Pro Cube's is they are slightly different plastics. The clear glitter ones might be slightly softer allowing more flex to them while opening. Where as the opaque ones are a more rigid plastic that does not flex as much to allow it to open off the locking tabs. That is the only thing I can think of on why they would be more difficult to open. They are probably manufactured differently and are of differing rigidity's..
Thanks for the vid Prof. I think the Ultra Pro boxes wich are hard to open are the matt finish ones and the extra force needed is due to the friction between the grippy material used to make them. My smooth ones open much easier.
Happy to see you returning to your roots
Prof, great video as always. Next, can you do a vid on the various ways to store and tote around deckboxes? And which are compatible with the other brands' similar products? Curious if there's cross polination, like can products designed to cary UG Boulders store UP Cubes as well. Thanks!
I recently got a set of Bastions for my double-sleeved decks + tokens and they are amazing
Hey Prof, still got the first Tower I bought 8 years or more ago and it's holding solid, it's my favorite deck box! As far as I remember I got it because I saw your review of it many years ago and went to a local LGS to get it!
Good to see some product review vids again :) But I love all your content!
Great video. Do you know if any brief cases that can fit multiple deck boxes, counters, and play mat?
One experiment i wish the prof did with this deck boxes is casually dropping them from table height to see which burst open.
I'm really interested in that gamegenic product but with that closing mechanism i believe it would open easily with a fall and make a mess of cards on the ground
When you talked about difficulty opening ultra pro cube that was a relief. I was just missing something to opening it up.
Hey prof, I enjoyed the video. I got involved using boulders at your recommendation years and years ago. And I do not regret it. One of my favorite aspects of it is how it integrates into the other products of the ultimate guard line specifically the archive 400s. Maybe doing videos on how well these deck boxes integrate into larger storage systems would make for a good video. I know you've done things like this in the past but maybe it's time to review the whole ecosystem of for example ultimate guard, or gamegenic.
The first deck box shown in this video is the exact deck box im currently tuning up as I start this video, wow!
Great overview, might check out the bastion
I love these kinds of videos! I am curious if the gamegenic will fit into a Quiver. And that shuffle up and play teaser has me HYPED!
Yes and the bolt too? Would this and how many boxes?
Came to the comments looking for an answer on this too. I've been sticking with Boulders specifically because they fit so well in the Quiver
@@sarahbuck2506 My LGS had some so I tried it out. Putting it in so the front is facing up it is a little too high to comfortably close. A bit longer than my Ultra Pro boxes that I feel are already pushing it. Turning it sideways it fits in fine but it does take up more space than the Ultra Pro. This makes sense since they are larger and can fit more cards. I am comparing to the plastic MTG art covered Ultra Pro deckboxes that are about $5, not the boulder or any other acrylic ones. I didn't put in enough deck boxes to see how many I could fit total of the Bastion but I think it could do 4 or 5. It looks very nice but the black one is really hard to see the commander so I think I'm going to wait till my LGS has clear in stock. I hope that helps!
@@mistmoorex Thanks!!
Great video Prof! I'm sad that my boulders don't fit my double-sleeved dragon shield decks... However, this bastion is a great recommendation!
I have a Gamegenic Watchtower XL and I am very satisfied with it. I normally only carry one deck for Pokémon but I do carry a boulder for my yugioh deck. All great deck boxes
Great video, I hadn't seen the bastion or the sliders. Always nice to see professor product reviews, it's why I started watching and keep checking back, as a Keyforge player I'm not really interested in the MtG content.
I've been waiting for your review on the Bastion. I'll admit, I was super excited to get one, however the one I bought totally failed the shake test. I think I'll be sticking with the Ultra Pro series at this point.
oh good i've been waiting for this review!
I only really use gamegenic boxes, don't mind spending a bit more when the cards in them are as costly. But with the bastion coming out i might get a few to keep costs down.
I must say for my triple sleeved cedh deck with alternate commanders and "sideboard"/tokens the academic was the only way to go.
A deck box review. Back to the classics. Great to see the bastion lives up to the profs standards. It’s looked really good but I haven’t bought in yet. Now I might
I've been waiting for this for the Bastion as soon as they announced it.
I'm sold!
I've unironically been looking forward to this video.
Personally I always use the BCW Deck Vault LX 100 Deck Case. Looks nice, lots of room, and has a little compartment for sides/tokens.
that crash test at 14:00 ❤
For sure you have earned what needs to be called 'Shakedown Heavy' Professor!
I bought two satin towers on your recommendation when I first got back into MTG and was buying my first commander precon to try the format out. They are still doing well. I bought a couple of the satin cubes when I first saw them and had the exact same problems with them being hard to open. When you first recommended the Boulder I bought a couple and loved them, and I've bought several 60+ for standard/pauper decks and several 100+ for commander decks. I've also bought a couple of the Boulder and Trays and I really like them. Even though they hold slightly less, I just shifted to using a token vault instead of putting tokens with each deck (I love token decks and I always buy 15+ of every token for every deck because I love token cards and always need more). For me, the reason to buy Satin towers/cubes or Boulder/B&Ts is that I want the dimensions of my deck boxes to match so that I can stack them in a Currier bag or on a shelf and they all fit together perfectly. The slight difference between Satin towers and boulders, always made packing awkward, so I just started matching my boxed.
I'm not a big fan of side loader boxes that are wider than they are tall, and I prefer the frosted matte colors to the clear shiny acrylic of the Gamegenic boxes, but I'm glad that others are out there pushing the industry forward.
Sweet. Another accessory video! By any chance do you have a recommendation for a deck holder that also accommodates for your playmat? I dislike having to hold multiple things like a tube and then my deck box and then my folder. If I can eliminate one, I would be ecstatic!
I see Prof is a man of culture as well. Shame RUclips didn't like the music, lol.
I have the Bastion XL and I really like it. Much better than my Boulders, which I will replace for my Commander decks. The Bastion is simply an evolution of that design.