GAME OF THRONES CONQUEST AND REBELLION REACTION (GOOD TO KNOW)
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- GAME OF THRONES CONQUEST AND REBELLION REACTION (GOOD TO KNOW)
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I think House Stark were pragmatic. The Starks and the Northern lords appear to lack connection to the Southern lands, their culture still leaned Northwards. I guess they just didn't care that much, especially as the Targaryns let the Lords stay in control of their realms.
U didnt pay attention to the show or books no shit they lack s connection
The throne is massive in the books. A flight of stairs to get to the seat.
Yup. This is Martin's favorite image of the Iron Throne: mashable.com/2013/07/10/george-r-r-martin-real-iron-throne/#g6JNTp5R3mq5
The Stark king did the wisest thing, by kneeling to Aegon he saved the lives of thousands, and the dinasty of house Stark.
Well, their dynasty ended then but the house survived.
@@icechoc And now Stannis Baratheon is working to reinstate the Stark dynasty to Winterfell.
@@gfilmer7150 - He's working to reinstate the Baratheon dynasty through him. He merely wants Jon to rule Winterfell. The Stark dynasty died with The King who Knelt. A dynasty is a line of rulers who rule a country. The Iron throne rules the Seven Kingdoms whilst Starks etc are Lord Paramounts who administer the regions.
@@icechoc I know,, he wants to make the Starks wardens of The North again by legitamizing Jon. Little does he know, Davos is going to bring Rickon back.
The world that G.R.R Martin built is addictive as fuck, trust me. Once you’re in, you can never get out.
Viserys was not a nice man but you sort of see why the 'Beggar Prince' was the way he was. He never stopped being a terrified little boy. Viserys hid it behind bluster, arrogance, seething sense of injustice and a dash of Targaryen madness. I disliked him but also felt his was a sad story.
Sandra Back You can see some of that sadness and pain reflected even in the show - in the confrontation between Viserys and Jorah when he wanted to leave with the dragon eggs, he literally stated that he’s had the burden of getting back the Targaryen crown on his shoulders since he was 7 and nobody has ever given to him what they gave to Dany - in that moment you can see how there is a lot of vulnerability and burden on Viserys to be the one who has to restore his family’s glory and he’s had no counsel or parent to really raise him, everything he did, he’s had to do it himself and it’s clearly hurt him and affected his growth.
Those were things that a 7 year old never should have to feel and if Viserys had a normal childhood maybe things might have turned out different.
@@CaptainPikeachu daenerys had it worse
@@James-kd2qm How so?
Derp Phil read about her childhood ....
@@James-kd2qm Still doesn't seem comparably worse than the experiences of Viserys but I could see how you could try to argue that it is.
This in a way shows the Starks, though proud, don't prioritize pride over human lives. They saw the army, they saw the dragons. They knew the battle would be impossible to win, instead of thinking the dragons wouldn'tbe enough of an issue. If they retreated back to Moat Cailin they could've easily beat back the enemy army, but the dragons would still kill them all.
The actor who plays Loras Tyrell, last heir of the Reach, was also Marvel's Iron Fist. Crazy coincidence, isn't it?
Aegon wasn't a Joffrey, a Ramsay or an Aerys. I have no issue with Torrhen bending the knee then. It wasn't worth to sacrifice his people for a regime that all in all, wasn't more unfair than the previous one.
The first Baratheon was a Targaryen bastard
14:17 dragons never stop growing a Balerion’s last rider was Aegon’s great grandson Viserys I. Balerion was already the oldest of the 3 conquest dragons
There are a lot of theories as to what caused the Doom. Faceless Men started in Valyria and caused the Doom somehow. They give the gift to the Masters. Or the Children caused the Doom. We may never know.
Or the Rhoynards , the second most developped empire beside Valyria. Valyria crushed them but the last of the Rhonyards cursed them and they were known to have magical powers. You should check their history too , they are ancestors to Dorne cause when they were defeated by Valyrian , a heroin of Rhonyards took a boat and decided to search a new land for her people.
Her name was Nymeria Rhonyard (yes one of Arya's heroin^^) he finally arrived to Dorne and she used her water powers to developp agriculture in the desert. She married a Martell and took power in Dorne. That's why Dorne is the only of the 7 kindgdoms including women in inheritance. The first born boy or girl inherates in Dorne , also the spear was the Rhonyard weapeon and it became theirs.
doubt it, imo it was either natural catastrophe like major eruption or maybe it was caused by magic, dont see why faceless would do anything and if they could make volcanoes blow up etc
Yeah, in addition to the Targaryens, Houses Baratheon, Velaryon and Celtigar were all surviving Valyrian noble houses which migrated to Westeros during Aegon's Conquest.
House Baratheon isn't a Valyrian house. Orys' mother wasn't Valyrian plus by the time of Robert Baratheon, the house had become diluted with Andal and First Men blood. The other three are though.
@@icechoc he was half valyrian
@@icechoc Robert's grandmother was a Targaryen...and there was intermarriages between Baratheons and Targaryens...
@@helenrose5383 ok? Still isn’t a Valyrian house lol
@@Caraxes_RoguePrince I was saying that the Valyrian blood isn't that diluted in Robert Baratheon.
History may not look fondly on Torrhen Stark for “kneeling” and “giving up”, of course heroic tales of war and conquest always sound cooler than surrender. But Torrhen Stark was smart. He saw what happened to the other kings, he saw the aftermath of the field of fire, fighting “heroically” and losing would have done no good, you’d just be dead. Torrhen did the most logical thing in surrendering. Not only did he come out of this whole conquest with no soldiers dead, but his house still got to hold their title anyways, even if it wasn’t being a king.
Sometimes being bold and heroic can also be stupid, and surrender isn’t always shameful. Torrhen kept his men alive and his family rule alive, he chose the path that was a win win for everyone involved.
I think everyone has a love and fondness for House Stark and characters like Ned and Robb and others, but I don’t think I’m lying that characters like Ned and Robb, as good as they were, were also very much operating like a bulldozer than thinking with their heads, if they were more like Torrhen Stark, it’s entirely possible that this whole war of the five kings could have changed and they could have come out victorious.
House Stark could have used a Torrhen Stark during the events of the show. Someone who has honor but also understands compromise and seeing the bigger picture. That is something that Ned, Robb, and even Jon lacked, and it has always gotten them into trouble - Ned died because he didn’t think before he speak and he let honor dictate what could have been the better route to protect his house, Robb died because he put honor above being smart in keeping his forces together and not break his oath to marry a Frey, and Jon, even he died because he didn’t see the dissension in his ranks at the wall and thought that everyone would have the same honor as he did. Torrhen Stark wouldn’t have made those mistakes. That man clearly saw the bigger picture and realized that honor alone means nothing if nothing of you is left behind.
As for how the other houses view the Starks, it’s not colored by what happened with the Targaryen conquest - if nothing else, most of the southern lords probably thought Torrhen Stark was a genius because southern lords understand compromise and diplomacy, that’s something they respect - as for the northern lords, they would have had hundreds of years of peace and families lines continuing so even if at the time they were pissed, they all got over it because the Starks ensured that nothing of their homes were destroyed and their lives turned out relatively well. Whatever people who had problems with the Starks, that’s problems that are more current or it’s animosity that has been there since the olden days and would still be there regardless of what Torrhen did or didn’t do, like House Bolton. The people in the North respected the Starks very much because the Starks for the most part provided peace.
House martell win the war
I think it was the right thing in the end. You have to wonder if Torrhen had the Long Night in his mind at all. The North remembers, or so they keep telling us. He probably certainly felt that the odds were too great against them and that a king with dragons would be a good ally in the future in case the Others ever came again.
Epic upload mate.
40:20 Btw, she didn't die. The Donish tortured her in the most horrendous ways and sent Aegon letters, describing every detail. All in all, Dorne should not have been such a problem. Cut their sea routes and any access to the kingdom by land and in a about a decade they would starve to death. But them, it's too much effort and it would probably won't even pay off to rule Dorne.
That's a theory but it's one I agree with. It can be the only explanation for Aegon's reaction to the letter.
@@icechoc Well, even people like Aegon has their weaknesses... And knowing that something like this happened to his sister, in a quest he himself has started, that could effect him deeply...
Yup let’s not forget Rhaenys was the love of Aegon’s life. Another reason why Aenys was sheltered child.
Torrhen Stark is, in my opinion, one of the greatest Kings of Winter to ever walk the North. The ancient crown of swords was not forged for vanity nor lust for power, it was wrought for survival, the living against the dead. House Stark was founded by the legendary Brandon the Builder, who made The Pact with the Children, fought beside Joramun the greatest King of the Free Folk, and raised the Wall to shield the realm of men. The Starks needed no crown to be what Brandon meant for them to be, a shield. Brandon immortalized the reality that the Night's King and demons of shadow and ice were not gone from the world, but rather only slumbered in the lands of always winter, through his new houses words "Winter is Coming". Torrhen needed no crown to be the watcher on the walls.
Sorry, but what Sansa said was crap. Certainly, there were good Kings but there were Starks who conquered for power too.
Alexandra Trastamara I make no refrence to what Sansa said, nor insiuate that no King of Winter ever sought conquest. I stated the reason for the Stark's dominion and Brandon the Builders orginal intnetions. My point being, Torhen Stark lived up to Brandon's vision, certainly more so than many who came before or after.
@@mannymoogolf - yeah, the Starks' intention. Nowhere in any book does it say the Starks conquered 'for the greater good'. That was my point. The show made that up as usual to make the Starks look like an all-good doing benevolent family who can do no wrong.
Alexandra Trastamara You would be forgetting the last alliance of Starks of Winterfell and Joramun to march against the Night's King in the Night Fort, a story never spoken of in the show. You seem to forget almost all of the extensive exploration of ten history of the North in both the main books and supplementary material like The World of Ice and Fire.
Alexandra Trastamara I think you’re forgetting that each of these things are also viewed through biased lenses. Sansa of course would speak better of her own house as any of the Stark kids would - they are desperately trying to hold onto their own lineage and heritage after everything that’s happened to them
Torrhen Stark did the right thing because he's a pragmatic man who knows they're outnumbered and he already heard how effective the dragons are in a battle. He knows the Southern kingdoms have larger forces and failed to beat the Targaryens. Plus they gathered a larger army from the others that they defeated. If they fought they would be doing it for their own pride. Ultimately there's no point in getting good fighting men killed in a fight you can't win. Sometimes you learn to surrender when all you have is a knife and foreign invaders are at your door with cannons pointed at you. It's also possible in the back of his mind he's thinking that if they surrendered, the North will be left alone for the most part by these foreigners just like the Southern kingdoms have. Looking back on the history 300 years later, that's pretty much what happened. The Targaryens mostly left the North alone except for a few instances where they needed their fighting men for another war that generally has nothing to do with the North.
Yeah he married Visenya as an arranged marriage. He apparently loved Rhaenys as a woman not just his sister, so Rhaenys is considered his marriage for love. Based on the vision Bran saw of Rhaegar marrying Lyanna and it appears to be romantic, there's a parallel between the trios.
I've never watched this , but I really enjoyed it . I think bending the knee was the right thing to do for House Stark , he saved his people and his house . I don't think any less of 🏠 Stark at all .
I'm a champ then lol I loved listening to this story & learning about these events.
This sounds like a new version. I like the old one better. Mark Addy's voice telling the Baratheon tale is superb.
Really glad you reacted to this. I highly recommend the History and Lore 'Dance of Dragons', you'll love it.
The safest place for the war for the north was gonna be the neck I don’t know why the went down to the riverlands
Why would the starks fight?? Lmfao the man literally had like 4 kingdoms behind him with 3 dragons...starks was smart as hell I mean Shid everybody else bent the knees regardless
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man this is such good stuff I love it lol
Check out The Targaryen Wolf great Video
great reaction
I think in chapter 6 the one who's talking is i think it's sansa stark because i know SANSAs voice
I think the starks could have pulled back north of the neck and fight them their since dragons don’t do well in cold
Let me start by saying I absolutely positively HATE the Starks, they're the biggest family of f*cking FOOLS in all of westeros, generation after generation. That said....
King Torrhen Stark is THE only Stark worth a damn IMO. Why? He's the only smart one. He received reports and knew what happened at both Harrenhall AND the Field of Fire. In both Harrenhall and the FoF, they had bigger armies than Aegon but Aegon had dragons. This time, the North men army was out numbered IN ADDITION to now having to deal with 3 dragons......
It was clearly a lost cause, why send all those dudes to there deaths? Just swear fealty, take the warden title and go home to your families. Don't make the same mistake the westerlands and the reach did and get cooked alive over pride. Take the chance that Aegon will be a good king cause as warden, you're essentially still in the same position anyway. He'd still essentially be the king in the north, just not in title. And if Aegon turned out to be a cruel king, THEN you can fight to the death, but diplomacy was clearly the way to go there at that particular point and time.
It's a no brainer he did the right thing. He's a great king for doing what he did to save the north men, and for them to call him the king who knelt is very disrespectful. They wouldn't be alive if it weren't for him, so they should be grateful.
Anyway, great videos man, enjoying your reactions.
orys baratheon is aegon bastard brother..
Who were the readers?
it was a question for you to asnwer not to like, lol
@@miquelcanosasanteularia1678 You don't recognnize their voices? All the parts with Valyria and some of the conquest is read by Vicerys , the Vale part is read by Littlefinger , The Lannister part by Jaime, the north part by Sansa
@@gerardlelouch2789 yeah it was for him to say, because he did not mention and i thought it was obvious
In the beginning of the Conquest and Rebellion video all the narrators are listed. You must have missed that.
@@stephaniebedworth2470 in reallity i knew them, but he miss it so i wanted him to realise