I agree. I'm not easily influenced and I am not surprised at the amount of snake oil salesmen I see. What's sad is some of these influencer weaponize the desperation of people looking for work and for the people that are in the trenches like myself looking to transition, use the techniques you learn from cybersecurity to navigate what's good for you or not.
I agree. I self studied for my Sec+ while having a family and working full-time. It took me longer than I anticipated but I did it using a book, YT videos, and practice exams. Now I'm trying to learn the skills that will assist with the career transition into the GRC space. I got ATS resume tips and LinkedIn profile suggestions from YT videos and AI. So yes, I try to learn as much as I can for free before I dish out any money. I'm not against someone packaging their experience and knowledge to help guide those getting into the space but it should be at a reasonable fee. Some are charging 3 to 5 thousand for their courses, so if they influence enough people we are providing them a hefty passive income.
Took a Long Break From Cyber, Your Points are all Accurate. You aren’t pessimistic at all. Truth Tellers are usually Labeled as such. Cyber isn’t easy nor is quick and easy to accomplish. Also job market is very difficult to enter, Easiest way is to Join the military, they give you the teaching & security clearance.
Already been through this with a grc influencer that was selling a GRC academy. They were selling the course for 7 grand and I got on a call with them where they got my back story and attempted to use that to leverage the opportunities they could give me and when I attempted to take time to decide on whether the academy was for me, they harassed me via text and phone saying that I should do this for my kids and that I wouldn't be able to break onto cyber security without them. Crazy expirience man.
@@cmartin8093 I always doubted him because all his video thumbnails have almost same content like how to make this much money using cybersecurity, how to be filthy rich in just months etc., now I know he is talking about himself😁
I don't usually comment but I think it is very important that this video reaches people who are starting out in this industry so that they do it out of passion and not motivated by money. Because the scammers are following exactly the same methods to scam people that are used with trading or investing. You know, a luxury car, a dream mansion and a paradisiacal beach when it is not even likely that a CISO will work that way due precisely to the responsibility that a job like that has. With this I do not want to discourage young people from thinking that it is not possible to earn enough money, both in the US and in Europe in this sector, but like everything good in this life it takes time and you have to let the fruits grow to be able to enjoy its flavor.
I agree with what you are saying about luxury cars, mansions, etc. It's a lot of showcasing and not a lot of doing. It's interesting you mention passion in cybersecurity. My thoughts on passion in cybersecurity have changed over the course of my tenure so far in this industry. At first, I thought you have to have a passion to be successful. I have realized it's more about leveraging what you are good at, finding your niche, and putting in the work. The money can follow. Often times, pursuing your passion can lead to burnout, as passions come and go throughout life. But being able to reliably be consistent, put in the work, and be dedicated to your "craft" can help you thrive to pursue other passions in the free time. I still think having a passion is helpful. Interested to hear your perspective.
I highly agree with all you said in this video. Having 2 years experience in incident response, I've learned most things for free from the internet to do my day-to-day work. And I see a wedding ring, congrats man and welcome in to the husband's club ;)
Part of the problem with this field 100% is cost. Not just cost, but time studying. Tech burnout is a real thing. I tried Coursera for a bit, and it was fairly reasonable. Ran into issues with a few of the VM labs and that made me not want to continue courses there. I was able to take what i learned and apply it to real world practice, so that accounts for something. Looking at maybe getting back into a helpdesk role to pay for courses/certs later, but it hasn't been easy finding work.
One huge problem with courses is that you often don't really know what you're getting until you've already paid money and in some cases the refund process is hard. With that said I think 300-600 for a course that has hands on milestones is worth it if for no other reason than to give you something to speak on and show in an interview. What's not worth it is the courses that are extremely vague or that try to push you towards buying another course that promises to have more.
I just got a IT manager job for 85k but somehow I guess the influencer space makes you believe that any strides you make it doesn’t matter if you aren’t immediately at the 6 figure mark and you aren’t in the perfect cybersecurity job! I’m happy I got this job and I can work with cybersecurity projects and tools I don’t need the title yet I know I’ll get there!
That's a fair point. I think anyone should be able to share their perspective, whether they are just starting or are 20+ years in. We can all benefit, it's more so the constant clickbait of salary.
I only consider buying courses from an influencer if their free youtube videos are taught well and and full of value. I don't think some influencers realize how much reputation matters considering the click bait headlines you mentioned. I appreciate your honesty and content. Thanks for the info
i go one further: I only buy training material if the free content taught me something discrete. filtering the bad content made by worse content creators, unf, is hard for me to pay off, because I think the internet should work well as a basic proposition.
MYDFIR is a great content creator who comes to mind who gave out a bunch of great resources and content for free and has a course jam packed with labs and projects full of value IMO
Great point. I haven't thought about that before. I tend to publish the occasional crash course as I find it fun to teach. It's a ton of work though. A lot of dedicated time goes into building out courses. I agree! MyDFIR is a great example of having a model that works for everyone. It's affordable, yet still helps the instructor be compensated.
Do your own research?!? Where have you been the past 4 years? Doing your own research is just crazy-talk.. we're to "Trust The Experts(tm)" now a days.
Professor Messer content is 100% free and provides more information than any $400 influencer course
Professor Messer is amazing. He helped me pass my Security+ exam. I like his model of training. Hopefully he does well too. He deserves it.
And is all the boring stuff that ACTUALLY is what you will be utilizing everyday in the industry. Not flipper zeros and bad usbs.
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Absolutely
I agree. I'm not easily influenced and I am not surprised at the amount of snake oil salesmen I see. What's sad is some of these influencer weaponize the desperation of people looking for work and for the people that are in the trenches like myself looking to transition, use the techniques you learn from cybersecurity to navigate what's good for you or not.
I agree. I self studied for my Sec+ while having a family and working full-time. It took me longer than I anticipated but I did it using a book, YT videos, and practice exams. Now I'm trying to learn the skills that will assist with the career transition into the GRC space. I got ATS resume tips and LinkedIn profile suggestions from YT videos and AI. So yes, I try to learn as much as I can for free before I dish out any money.
I'm not against someone packaging their experience and knowledge to help guide those getting into the space but it should be at a reasonable fee. Some are charging 3 to 5 thousand for their courses, so if they influence enough people we are providing them a hefty passive income.
I like that you called out your own mistake by selling a course. Self awareness is key in this industry.
Full disclosure: I still have the course listed for sale. It's a great resource to get started, just a lot more affordable now.
Took a Long Break From Cyber, Your Points are all Accurate. You aren’t pessimistic at all. Truth Tellers are usually Labeled as such. Cyber isn’t easy nor is quick and easy to accomplish. Also job market is very difficult to enter, Easiest way is to Join the military, they give you the teaching & security clearance.
Already been through this with a grc influencer that was selling a GRC academy. They were selling the course for 7 grand and I got on a call with them where they got my back story and attempted to use that to leverage the opportunities they could give me and when I attempted to take time to decide on whether the academy was for me, they harassed me via text and phone saying that I should do this for my kids and that I wouldn't be able to break onto cyber security without them. Crazy expirience man.
Dang... $7,000!?!
That's 'highway robbery' in my opinion. Absolutely absurd.
Unix guy?
@@AntonMaverick94 No
@@AntonMaverick94 Boyd Clewis
@@cmartin8093 I always doubted him because all his video thumbnails have almost same content like how to make this much money using cybersecurity, how to be filthy rich in just months etc., now I know he is talking about himself😁
I'm about to graduate with my Masters in Cybersecurity and your channel is really motivating! Keep up the good work!
Always happy to share a perspective! Congratulations on your Master's 🎉
A lot of fake cybersecurity boot camps and influencers. Take advantage of the free stuff on RUclips. Good video.
I don't usually comment but I think it is very important that this video reaches people who are starting out in this industry so that they do it out of passion and not motivated by money. Because the scammers are following exactly the same methods to scam people that are used with trading or investing. You know, a luxury car, a dream mansion and a paradisiacal beach when it is not even likely that a CISO will work that way due precisely to the responsibility that a job like that has.
With this I do not want to discourage young people from thinking that it is not possible to earn enough money, both in the US and in Europe in this sector, but like everything good in this life it takes time and you have to let the fruits grow to be able to enjoy its flavor.
I agree with what you are saying about luxury cars, mansions, etc. It's a lot of showcasing and not a lot of doing.
It's interesting you mention passion in cybersecurity.
My thoughts on passion in cybersecurity have changed over the course of my tenure so far in this industry. At first, I thought you have to have a passion to be successful. I have realized it's more about leveraging what you are good at, finding your niche, and putting in the work. The money can follow. Often times, pursuing your passion can lead to burnout, as passions come and go throughout life. But being able to reliably be consistent, put in the work, and be dedicated to your "craft" can help you thrive to pursue other passions in the free time. I still think having a passion is helpful. Interested to hear your perspective.
I highly agree with all you said in this video. Having 2 years experience in incident response, I've learned most things for free from the internet to do my day-to-day work. And I see a wedding ring, congrats man and welcome in to the husband's club ;)
Absolutely!
Yes, the best decision of my life. Thank you!
I remember when you started your channel and was in college then......time fly collins
very appreciate Collins, I understand at which point it irritates you! and thank thousands of thank you for your real intention❤
Part of the problem with this field 100% is cost. Not just cost, but time studying. Tech burnout is a real thing.
I tried Coursera for a bit, and it was fairly reasonable.
Ran into issues with a few of the VM labs and that made me not want to continue courses there.
I was able to take what i learned and apply it to real world practice, so that accounts for something.
Looking at maybe getting back into a helpdesk role to pay for courses/certs later, but it hasn't been easy finding work.
One huge problem with courses is that you often don't really know what you're getting until you've already paid money and in some cases the refund process is hard. With that said I think 300-600 for a course that has hands on milestones is worth it if for no other reason than to give you something to speak on and show in an interview. What's not worth it is the courses that are extremely vague or that try to push you towards buying another course that promises to have more.
I am glad more people are talking about this I just watched Andrew Ramdayal video over a similar topic the other day.
I just got a IT manager job for 85k but somehow I guess the influencer space makes you believe that any strides you make it doesn’t matter if you aren’t immediately at the 6 figure mark and you aren’t in the perfect cybersecurity job! I’m happy I got this job and I can work with cybersecurity projects and tools I don’t need the title yet I know I’ll get there!
Congratulations! Depending on what area you live in, $85,000 is great money!
@@collinsinfosec It is not the best for Massachusetts.
Thanks for another great video and your honest words. It’s always a pleasure to follow your thoughts.
Happy to share!
Well stated Grant! Thanks!
Thanks man, I appreciate what you do.
One cybersecurity influencer priced a course at $8,500.....I declined
Tbf if the influencer doesn’t work in cyber security or garnered tenure professionally, they should have no say
That's a fair point. I think anyone should be able to share their perspective, whether they are just starting or are 20+ years in. We can all benefit, it's more so the constant clickbait of salary.
I have banned certain channels that are click baits so RUclips won't recommend them to me ever! Hopefully.
I didn't know that was a feature of RUclips. Interesting.
One of the best video for me
has anyone taken the josh madakor cyber course? if so, thoughts on it?
I only consider buying courses from an influencer if their free youtube videos are taught well and and full of value. I don't think some influencers realize how much reputation matters considering the click bait headlines you mentioned. I appreciate your honesty and content. Thanks for the info
i go one further: I only buy training material if the free content taught me something discrete. filtering the bad content made by worse content creators, unf, is hard for me to pay off, because I think the internet should work well as a basic proposition.
MYDFIR is a great content creator who comes to mind who gave out a bunch of great resources and content for free and has a course jam packed with labs and projects full of value IMO
Great point. I haven't thought about that before. I tend to publish the occasional crash course as I find it fun to teach. It's a ton of work though. A lot of dedicated time goes into building out courses.
I agree! MyDFIR is a great example of having a model that works for everyone. It's affordable, yet still helps the instructor be compensated.
I regret so much getting a cyber security degree I fell into the hype trap 😢
My work covers 100% tuition for a couple cybersecurity bootcamps and one offers college credit upon completion. Are bootcamps still worth while?
I think the only bootcamps that are worth it are the ones that come with a 100% job guarantee or you get your money back.
Brother i want to some discount on CEH but I don't know how to get so can you give me details
Not aware of how to get a discount on CEH. I have heard it's not a great certification, but I do understand it's often a requirement for some jobs.
It was on sell during 4th July
DC link got expired
It appears it still works.
Internet isn't for free tho
Your right.. influencer is a fake job title that irritates the poo out of me
Do your own research?!? Where have you been the past 4 years? Doing your own research is just crazy-talk.. we're to "Trust The Experts(tm)" now a days.
People need to stop being so gulible. Social media is the modern eqivilant to Tommy Vu adverts.
I cant stand network chuck
Why ?