I think everyone is waiting on the yet to be released 4400G 7nm Zen 2 w/ a Navi iGPU. That's the APU that could be a real game changer. Sadly that might be a while.
@Gustav Gamer Vega maxes out more bandwidth spitting out 1080 performance with the Vega 64. At the most, Navi uses about 10% less bandwidth for about 30% better performance. Even with DDR4, Navi will be a significant step up. That being said, the question is whether or not we'll actually see it. Current rumours are pointing towards Vega at the moment.
3400G released with the rest of Zen2. The APUs are always 1 cycle behind. So next year when Zen3 7nm+ launches is probably when the 4400G will release.
@@johntotten4872 If that's the case it will be pretty interesting. That means the PC APU will be launching only a couple of months before the PS5. It'd be a neat comparison between the two.
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 Yeah, I'm new to AM4 ( coming from an i5 6500) so probably do that and buy the Wraith Prism from a friend of mine that's probably gonna buy the 3700x anyways. But the thing is, I'm gonna buy the MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac, and I don't know if B450 will support Zen2+, but I guess it's a matter of waiting.
I'm disabled and on a fixed income. I cannot afford the increase in my electric bill that a six-core + & gpu card would generate month after month. The fact that AMD is making these APUs is a godsend for people like me. I read the comments and shake my head. Money ain't free. Also, I live in Alaska and the second hand market is basically none existent and many vendors refuse to ship to Alaska. Flat out refuse. The ones that do charge a premium. .... sorry, I'm ranting. I read the comments and think there are some real snot nosed, privileged punks that don't get it. I get a little pissed some times. ok, I'm done.
I didn’t realize the electricity in Canada was so high. My Ryzen 1700 and Titan Xp uses like 60w at idle (which is rather high, I disable all power saving options), but it’s only 350 with max of less than 400w everything overclocked to the max (no physical hardware/soldering modifications) running 4k High/ultra settings. My main system uses up to 1.7 kW with 4x R9 Fury water cooled and TR-1950x powered by 2x SuperNova 1300 (not counting power consumption of 3x 4k monitors, which is about 100w for all the displays), my highest ever power bill has been under $40 for the month (in the winter, that 1.7 kW was just cranked to it’s limits because I was using the system as a heater for my bedroom and it’s silent, it’s not that high unless you are literally trying to make it dump heat). I’m glad the electric in the US is cheap! The only time power consumption has been an issue is my Intel 80w laptop CPU (8750h, stock it uses 80, its “45w TDP” is a joke), it drains its battery in about 40 minutes just updating games at McDonnalds and then needs to be plugged in... same battery in my 35w TDP 2012 laptop would last at least 10 hours of runtime browsing/downloading! Yikes! AMD is much more efficient now a days, I really want to see the APU in laptops for decent gaming on a realistic 1+ hour battery (I’m pretty sure my laptop wouldn’t even run 20 minutes gaming, I was literally only updating, no games launched...) I bet the APU AMD has will be great for you, I haven’t checked power consumption on my 2200g, but I think the PSU and motherboard might use more power than that little chip, and it’s really impressive what they managed to pack in, and then with the value of these chips it’s insane! I had to get one just because they looked fun (2 things to overclock, yay!). I hope your chip works well for you, they are competent processors and mind blowing graphics power for integrated, very cool!
Spot On! While I have a 2700x with a 1080 Ti, I still get excited for these APU's! I have built a two of them with the AM1 & FM2+ platform, and i gotta say they are impressive for everyday task, even light gaming, yet they sip power, and have very low heat, and this 3400g seems to be the best so far. A lot of people don't realize just how far we've come with integrated graphics, the fact that you can even play some of these games at 1080p on low is astounding, and some older games on high as well, I'll be honest I look forward to the day where you may not need a video card to game decently, and I feel we are getting there, and like you said, these "real snot nosed, privileged punks' really don't get it, its a technical marvel that you can now build a SFF without a GPU and actually play some games, unlike before. So to that, enjoy these APU's, I'll be getting a 3400g down the road!
@@MGsubbie i guess it will depend on what fits on 2nd chiplet. We know from ryzen 3000 cpus upto 8 cpu cores on each chiplet. So assume a ryzen 7 where all cpu cores are on first chiplet 2nd chiplet could contain gpu?
@@Hardwareunboxed at least go get some good sleep man, you're still a human. its suck when days later ur benchmark get stolen by those d*ckhead channel
Perfect for a lot of gamers too. It depends on the games you play. These just aren't for gamers that are continually keeping up on the latest AAA titles.
In a world where OEM's like Lenovo, Acer and Dell still Ship Box retail units with Nvidia GT 720's inside, I can tell you these "Competing" APU's are like Doom Guy gracing us with his presence. They may not be for enthusiasts, but for your average mum or grandpa, What a seamless experience.
@@fetB Well the major point of those APUs is to sacrifice upgradability for space saving so IMO if you don't plan to use a thin-ITX case or such very constrained enclosure it's better value to be old fashion and buy a discrete graphics card instead.
@@PainterVierax constrained or sleek and small; It's a different perspective, you know. You look at it from a desktop gaming POV and sure, if one is on a budget and look for upgrade path to full rig, a tower is the way to go, but these have their place, like OP hit on.
@@fetB I don't speak from a desktop gaming PoV, I speak from an electronics engineering POV. I said constrained because I think more of embedded devices design where space is a huge constraint to deal with. The more space you have, the more functionality you can get. You can't cram as much things on a PCB with a smaller area and you sometimes need to add extra layers which add costs. BTW if you're on a budget, choosing SFF is rarely interesting compared to ATX motherboards and cases. For the same price you get a better value and a better ugradabiliy by using a beefier CPU at start with a low-end graphics card. That's what Steve said in the conclusion and that also applies to Media Center/HTPC usage where you get more perf to do software video decoding and the ability to upgrade to a future GPU with new codec acceleration.
@@PainterVierax Wait what? I literally stated that small form factor is not a good option when on a budget with an upgrade path. Yet here you are lecturing me that it's not a good option. I also never refuted what steve said. My comment was in response to what Beau said, who is not talking about embedded systems either... I highly doubt you have anything to do with electronics engineering, with that lack of reading and comprehension skills.
The 3400G has the equivalent GPU-power of the 750Ti, believe it or not. On one side, that's very weak for current games, but at the same time, it's very impressive that the power of a 750Ti is inside of a CPU now.
Every graph made my eyes go wider as I saw a $150 APU slap around the i5-7600K I spent $250 on 2 years ago. Definitely looking hard at the Ryzen 3000 lineup.
@@choatus SFF PC so I actually spent my tweaking headroom on trying to maximize performance per watt rather than straight performance. Also, I'm finding myself thread-limited in games like AC:Origins which demonstrably scale better with thread count. It's still a good chip that can get the job done in a number of scenarios but it was also released at the peak of Intel's complete control of the market. How times have changed.
Thank you for covering these APUs! There are quite a few videos out and about showing massive gains that didn't quite make sense to me. Ryzen 1200 for USD 43 or 1400 for USD 64 from Ali plus a dedicated graphics card is fantastic value.
I am owner of 2400g, for dota2, cs go and othere casual games it is more then you need, i play dota 2 only, on 1440p 75hz freesync monitor, and it rocks...for 135$ in time was steal...
@@ramibos6549 not true as you write it, AAA in last 3 4 years, play 5 6 years old games, they are cheap, good looking and good story...and you.can play mid settings 1440p...nfs mw (2 i think, 2013 one) tested mid settings 1440p 60+ fps...dirt 3, same story...that are games.that i play, sory but...and in time 135€ was 1030, that is same speed as this iGpu, ao i get cpu for free xD
APUs are awesome for m-ITX cases. I own. 2400g, Chopin case and it is so small. Love it. Lot of ganes run very well with low settings. Doom, Civilization , WOT all run great on my 2400g.
Yea, I'm actually going to build an ITX-system just for a little "challenge" and fun, to throw a bunch of simpler games at. (I'll leave the more demanding ones to my bigger and more powerful PC.) - I'm gonna get a somewhat bigger case than the one you mentioned, kind of like their A1s I suppose, but still, I want something that's more like a console-size. - As a bonus-challenge, I'm going to try and make it completely gamepad-only, never needing a keyboard or mouse. - So it's going to be reeeally casual. :)
The Rzyen apu's, even the old FM2 and FM2+ apu's shine as HTPC and as basic home or office computers. Plenty fast for most anybody except content creators and serious gamers.
Besides, games aren't just about fancy graphics. - There are loads of great games that aren't as demanding. - Which game is better, really? 'Crysis' or 'Don't Starve'?... There's only one correct answer. (Hint: It's not the fancy-looking one.)
I have the R3400G since a week (swapped the 2200G) at a second pc that I use for torrents, office-work, development, some VM work and sometimes rendering and some watching video's. Awesome APU. Don't need a GPU which saves space, and powerconsumption. I'm very surprised how good the R3400G is compared to my old I5 from some years ago. My main machine is a R2700x with a RX 580 and fast ram on 3200. Totally switched to AMD since last year and very happy.
Since these APUs are on 12nm, with the older memory controller, I'm not surprised that these chips aren't really all that exciting. Really looking forward to next year, though, when they - hopefully! - go to the 7nm process (and, more importantly, improved memory controller) for APUs. Wondering how much faster those iGPUs can go when you give them a lot more memory bandwidth.
For anyone who is wondering, I've been doing lots of memory tweaks on my 3400G using a b-die kit and have hit (so far) 3466MHz with 15-14-11-14-28 primary timings at 1.45v, lots of tweaked secondary timings, and just from these memory adjustments, I've got a 4203 GPU score on Fire Strike with stock GPU and CPU clocks. I'd like to eventually reach 5000 on Fire Strike once I OC the GPU, but that might be a little too optimistic, we'll see.
@@David-uc3cl I don't have the score with it at 3466MHz before tweaking the timings, but at 2133MHz with 15-15-15-34 CAS, I got a gpu score of 3359, so a pretty substantial improvement! I actually made a video about it a couple days ago, and that shows some of the secondary timings that I used. I've since tweaked further (hence the numbers in my original comment) but it's pretty close performance wise :)
150$ apu, 20$ high speed ugly ram, 34$ 1tb HD, 25.00$ 450 watt power supply, 50.00$ mobo, 12$ 1200gb/2.4mhz bt5 USB adapter, 1080p 50in tv 150$, 30$ wireless keyboard and mouse combo, 16$ wireless console controller, 30$ windows, open office free, 15$/mo streaming service, and whatever sff case you can find or just mount to the back of your entertainment center. You get a 60 fps 1080p console gaming and word processing computer perfect for a college student/poor af bois. 100.00 dollars more allows you 4k tv/steaming, just downgrade 1080p for games, or 720p and play with higher settings. Radeon 570 for another 100$ when they're on sale to solve that, and only if you feel the need as since the tv is stuck at 30-60fps it's a bit overkill. Also will raise your ac bill in summer, lower your heat bill in winter, lol. All that for the price of a console and some change, with current newegg bestbuy and Amazon prices. Ideally, your tv has appx 15-20 watt speakers (anything less is bad). If you cant find one then add creative stage air for 29.99 (best *ALSO* portable option), vizio small bar 59.00-80.00 (best all rounder, can be found for less open box) or creative labs stage 89.99 (best entry level with a sub, vizio is better if you're top floor apt or no real room for the sub). Creative pebble plus deserves an honorable mention, and beat most logitech options at similar pricing as well. Hard to beat, with expandability. Use that to sustain you through your shitty job college life without falling into the apple trap. As good as gaming laptops are, they're also several times more, and its alot easier to convince your gf to come over for a movie night bang if the screen is 43-55in, and you'll be able to afford some decent furniture with what you have left over. Bonus points if you're swag enough to tell them to bring food on their way. Bonus bonus points if you hate the word swag.
@@saucyg6371 wrong. Do you say dollars 150 or 150 dollars? Just because some English teacher idiots do not follow common sense or logic and set a standard making as much sense, doesnt mean I'm going to follow it like a lemming. Neither should you.
@@johnm2012 b450m bazooka v2. Nice ones like mortar and tuf pro are out of stock :/ I think mortar refresh is comming though but to be honest it hardly matters for office use.
What does your whole system cost? $300? $400? Is that tiny increase in overall cost not worth the 10% overall improvement? Same thing when looking at $8 Xeons, like sure looks great until it needs an $80 board... gotta look at the overall price. Personally, my delided 2200g is in a system with HX1200i platinum PSU, a $1000+ cooler, 4k monitor, and even my keyboard or headphones alone cost more than the CPU (my RAM does as well, same with the X370 board). So in this halarious case (it’s my sub-zero test bench if your wandering why the insane components), then you could see how even $100 extra is nothing compared to $2000 in the rest of the system (unfortunately, my board doesn’t have outputs for my triple 4k setup, so you still need a basic display output card, so I can use a Titan Xp collectors edition because it’s good enough for desktop display output, just because I have no other use that GPU).
Don't forget that the i5-7600K launch price was $217 USD, that you should tell what AMD has done for us as consumers. Intel has been shafting consumers for the past 10 years.
I am using Ryzen 3600x now (couldn't find 3600 in my country), but i had 180$ i5 4440 for 6 years and have been more than happy with its performance, There was no CPU until Ryzen that could make me think of upgrading. Lack of competition in the past and weak PS4 CPU made my basic i5 4440 a beast during this generation.
I5 almost turned me into a fanboy, and few years ago i5 8400 did look strong against Ryzen 1600, so Intel really messed it up to have happy i5 owners with legendary 2500(k) or similar CPUs switching to AMD
10:10 I miss these days where CPUs were cheap and readily available. Now I'm struggling to build a budget build because used prices are outrageous and cheap Zen 2 chips are hard to come by. The 3400g is really tempting in 2020
@@arencorparencorp2189 I'm planning to pair it with crazy ddr4 and the upcoming nfc HTPC case. I'm using it for melee emulation, and for that APUs work great.
@@arencorparencorp2189 rx 570 4/8gb just slashed their prices a lot, at least in indonesia, while 1050 and 1060 prices still not dropping much. If you wanna buy a gpu, just commit for 1060 or rx 570 as bare minimum
I've used more than a few APUs from AMD over the 5 years or so, Like you said in the video, they make great general purpose and business desktop systems. I'm still running some 2013 AMD A10 systems and as long as you have enough RAM, they keep up just fine.
Interestng. I have a few kaveri 28nm 7850k apuS & gigabyte f2a88x-up4 mobos w/ the 16GB 2400 ram kits. I don't game or do anything heavy. I like new tech, but they are free, & I cannot see me gaining much w/ new. Unlike the zen/vega apus, I don't lose 8 lanes to the gpu. I have a theory that the weak cpu would really like a pcie 3 x4 nvme boot drive running on an m.2 pcie adapter card in the second gpu pcie slot. nvme doesn't lag or have processing overhead like sata ssd on the chipset. hell - it even has onboard raid 5
Older friend of mine only really does some light programming work (hoping it'll keep his mind sharp as he ages) and web browsing so integrated graphics is a good fit for him. His ten year old system croaked last week, but I decided that he was unlikely to reach the limits of the 2400G so opted to save him the $50 or so over the 3400G.
I think the only real use left for apu in this current pricing, is for small HTPC's or super miniATX builds. I have always wanted to build one of the latter, but I have no real use for it as I don't travel and my main pc does everything so I have no need to play elsewhere. But if later on I decide to upgrade motherboards, I might use my current miniATX motherboard and build a tiny gaming pc with an apu.
I'm considering making an STX build with an APU inside of the Silverstone PT13b, a 1.4 litre case that measures roughly 7"x7"x1.6". There's basically no other choice for a case that tiny.
For a lot of the cases where I would want an APU I may as well buy a laptop with said APU in it instead of building a desktop SFF thing around it. For not much more you get SSD, RAM a display and keyboard+touchpad. The whole barebones/NUC thing make very little sense to me when you still have to pay a lot for the pleasure of installing RAM and SSD yourself and having to source a compatible SFF PSU or power brick. As soon as you add the cost of the components to get a fully functioning system that you can actually play on you have matched the price of a comparable laptop.
Really disappointed that it didn't get a Vega 15. Though it makes a ton of sense for itx builds. My mom's rocking a 2400g itx with plenty of graphics horsepower for videos and puzzle games lol
The issue with apu's is memory bandwidth. The gpus are starved for memory, until there is either more channels or these apus can handle much much faster ram like 4400 you're not gonna see benefits
James Mastroianni it’s common knowledge that AMD cpus are RAM hungry and recommend 16GB minimum to run smoothly. And at 3200MHz minimum. MINIMUM. They’re hungry Bastards.
These chips can help AMD break into the office market. Businesses are almost 100% intel because most AMD chips need GPUs. With Ryzen APUs now on the market for over a year and a half they have been arpund long enough for companies to start considering them.
I do think this APU is perfect for a HTPC or in a music studio (my use case) since you can avoid having a discrete graphics card and the fan noise that comes with it. Couple this with a decent PSU that doesn't run its fan under normal load (several options here) and get a Noctua cooler which is as quiet as they come and you're golden. A decent performer with no perceptible noise. Leave the gaming to the bigger processors and discrete graphics.
Stephen Clark Yeah these are great little APU for specialty use - I have a 2400g as a media center PC in a tiny case. Barely any noise, snappy performance, plays indie games and AAA on low settings, will run any light to medium app on it from productivity to even 1080p video editing or game development. It has just enough power to get a lot of stuff done - not at top level but comfortably. Upcycle it with a GPU and bam you have a mid level gaming rig. So much flexibility for minimal money at the start.
I stopped playing games a year ago, so i sold my RX580 for the same price i bought it 3 years ago, and just ordered this APU today. It's crazy how gpu prices have sky rocketed...
I have an APU already for my HTPC. 5 years old now my A10-7850K works well for playing movies and TV and surfing the net is smooth and trouble free; I even have the bios limiting it to 45 watts TDP so I can use it with a very old 90's aluminum cooler that has an 80mm fan and it's as fast as it needs to be. I bought an MSI M/B for it for $50 and everything else was old parts I had on hand. Very cheap setup yet completely adequate for an HTPC. My opinion on this APU? I agree with Steve, if I didn't already have one and needed an HTPC, I'd get the 2400G and save the money. It's already more than you need.
Of course now a 3600 is so close in price to a 3400G that it would be close to foolish to get the 3400G. Well unless a GPU was completely out of the question budget wise.
APUs need better DCC and DDR5 to become much faster again. Anyways, I built a PC with a second-hand 2200G for my parents. it is a perfect small, efficient, cheap PC build for their 4K TV.
I meant its a pretty good cpu for home-server, as its a 4 core with decent IGPU, definitely decent for a system where you don’t need that extra computing power. Beyond that anyone who doesn’t use it for heavy workload will find that it is compelling to get this as opposed to intel I3/I5 option due to price and performance. Overall a great product from amd.
i dont understand people pairing these cpus with basement performance GPUs just makes no sense to me this is a great choice for a office pc or a slim client or super small itx build. i can get a 1600 and a rx 480 for less then this cpu and if the price on 2600 gets any lower i could do that with the rx 480 for the same price as a 3400g.
Z3phyr 1600 is $80 and a motherboard can be gotten for as little as $40 and I have a $40 RX 480 so for $160 and you have a board cpu and gpu that is very good
Z3phyr only thing used was the gpu and if you want a good motherboard it would be used but I can do new for $40 still for am4 and the 1600 is $80 new priced and alittle more than that on alli express. Just saying new price is no reason not to research and shop around for much more than you expect to get.
i wished the same thing until i found out that the overclocked 3200G will match the overclocked 3400G in games when both are overclocked. that means that all of the higher level ryzens will have the SAME fps as an overclocked 3200G. turnes out they will ALL be bottlenecked by the system memory.
1 dislike from Intel team working on igpu. As for the cpu, I like it, but it's too expensive. I mean Ryzen 5 2600 is cheaper than this and 2nd hand polaris rx cards are extremly cheap.
Same, I like it, but I'm waiting for 7nm version. Personally I think saving up and getting a separate CPU and GPU is superior, however APU's really shine in small cases. Whenever the 4400g comes out, I'll pop it into a node 202 case (or a smaller case if I can find it) and use it for a mobile desktop PC for some low end gaming. I'm currently using my laptop with the i3-6100u and r6 siege is a STRUGGLE, if the 4400g can play siege at 1080p medium settings 60 frames, I'll be a day one buyer.
Dear Diary: "Its been 10 days since Ryzen 3000 launched. Until this day, there isen't one proper 3800x review on youtube. My life is a struggle without knowing what to buy."
I've seen a 3800x review on my feed but didn't click it. Besides, anyone who believes they need a 3800X, won't. As simple as that. I can't think of *any* case where the 3700X wouldn't suffice, and ofc, you can OC most 3700X to match a 3800X.
if anyone of you have a 2400G/3400G and is using ASRock B450M Pro4, do not update the BIOS to 3.40 if you plan on adjusting the dedicated RAM for the APU, nothing you do in the BIOS changing the Uma Frame Buffer Size will be saved. that means you won't be able to decrease it to 64MB like in this video in this channel "AMD Raven Ridge 8GB vs. 16GB Reserved Memory Benchmark & Explanation"
I think it is still a good option for super small itx like inwin Chopin for people who just surf the internet and need some PC for email....like my wife or her mam...
ye, the numbers show you can actually build a small gaming pc. Division, Far Cry, F1 2019 etc, are even fairly new titles and are sometime over60 lows. Not to mention older games, which, just because they are old, arent automatically bad. There are a tonne of games you can actually play with it
can you test how good these are for streaming with x264 via a seperate streaming pc? what settings could i use with these cpus ... im thinking about medium 720p60 @ 5000kbit/s
Yes, they are great for that ! Remember that 4cores/8threads was the consumer high end until 2 years ago, so it's very much capable of doing browsing and office work. Built one for my mother last year with the 2400g and 8GB of Ram and a small ssd. It was a huge improvement on what she had before. If you want to build in a mini case, checkout the deskmini A300, Steve reviewed it a few months ago, you can build a super small beast of office pc for 400 $/€ with it. It probably won't support the 3000 series out of the box though.
I just ordered a Ryzen 5 1600 and mobo for $110 from MC. Asked my sister to pick up. She dropped off the stuff today....MC goofed on both items. Gave me the right mobo.....but used and missing an I/O sheild. and gave me a 3400g instead of the 1600. Gotta decided what I'm gonna do now. lol.
I usually love the content that HU makes, but this was video was a bit disappointing. I'm building a cheap office (non-gaming, non-encoding/3D) computer for a friend and this video didn't really provide much useful information. More info on how this would compare to a cheap non-APU chip + ultra cheap discrete graphics (eg. GT710) and how it compares to Intel offerings for the relevant workloads would have been nice. I'm sure some people game on APU's, but a lot also use them for "Word/Excel" or home theatre boxes.
because the vid is specifically about this cpu and not what you mentioned? it is a gaming cpu after all,if you want one you probably wanna check out the AMD R5 series with older models,like 1500 and 1600 might do it for you
I'm only getting 1786 Multicore points in Cinebench R20 with the 3400G in my Asrock A300. Power Profile set to performance, no CPU overclock, 2933mhz memory dual channel.
My hopes were set very highly lol, I was really hoping for at least a 15-20 FPS boost. Maybe, they'll release a stronger GPU aspect APU in the near future.
Power Consumption idle with a known good/lower power Motherboard (ITX prefered, such as MSI B450I) would be nice to know as well. As that might also be something interesting for some people....
@@10vingers yeah, that explains the difference. an HDD is about 10W or so, SSDs are way less than that (I remember increasing the battery life of my old SONY Vaio with the 3 Core Phenom mobile and the Radeon 5650, where the move to the SSD made it run a while longer)...
Exactly right. DDR4 is limiting the APU. DDR5 in my opinion should reach 1050ti performance. I had my 2400g at 1650mhz and memory over clocked to 3600 cl16 and the increase in performance is rough 10FPS over stock at 1080p low.
Im yet to hit a stable 4.2 even at a dangerous 1.4635v on 240mm AIO. Temps are fine around 65c (winter in Australia) but I'm maxed out on voltage. When I get my 3700x I'll smash it with 1.5v for fun.
Yeah, I know right... miss it so much, cos with out it I've hated having to instead listen to the perfectly good fit for purpose outro music they used to replace it with for the last 6 months, right from the getgo. Wish the 'toilet flush' was still around along with quality outro muzak added at the end of their videos on the tip of their 'see you in the next one' fingered point!
I haven't been this excited about PC gaming since 2006 when the GeForce 8800 GTX was released. O remember buying it in 2007 and building a PC to run Crysis. Bitcoin mining fucked up GPUs pricing completely, and I have been turned off of PC gaming since 2011/2012. AMD is truely doing some exciting and wonderful things with the price performance and innovation of their products.
Considering that the graphics on a 2400g can be overclocked to 1600mhz and the 3400g to 1800mhz, there is quite a bit of performance still left on the table. By not overclocking the compute cores and overclocking the gpu cores, most games become quite playable at 1080p. My 2400g is overclocked to 1550mhz and my 3400g is at 1750mhz. No excessive heat or voltage with a third party cooler. I'm told delidding the 2400g and liquid cooling it would allow further overclocks but thats more effort than I want to go to, besides being unnecessary.
Just got one for my first $400 build. picked it up for $133. Mostly my laptop is dying, and it's near decade age is just making gaming unplayable. Hopefully I can just get back to playing my old games again. but this looks promising.
Great work guys really pumping out the articles atm. Looking forward to the 3800X review/comparison. If its anything like the 3600 v 3600X (over at gamersnexus) then it seems the 3700x might just be the way to go. Any news on this new GSkill Neo ram is coming out? Besides "soon"
Building cheap office PCs or small emulation PCs for people with the 3400G will be sweet. Good for multithreaded tasks and light gaming while not needing to buy a graphics card.
What would be the estimated lifespan for system build with a R5 3400G+SDD+8GB 3200 Mhz for everyday office work (no gaming, no video editing) before upgrading the CPU? I would say its 5 years, then upgrade the CPU to a R5 4xxxxG, and last another 3 years.
They absolutely will not put hbm in it. The die space needed and the cost of hbm are way too prohibitive for a product occupying this price range, not to mention the thermal complications of trying to fit the tdp of hbm chips under the same ihs.
I think there's also the point to be made that for dedicated GPU gaming, the 2400G was also a good buy in a certain price point when it released because some of the cache improvements made it faster than parts like the R5 1400, which were in the same price range. But for this generation, you're better served by just buying an R5 1600 for $105 US.
I think everyone is waiting on the yet to be released 4400G 7nm Zen 2 w/ a Navi iGPU.
That's the APU that could be a real game changer. Sadly that might be a while.
@Gustav Gamer Vega maxes out more bandwidth spitting out 1080 performance with the Vega 64. At the most, Navi uses about 10% less bandwidth for about 30% better performance.
Even with DDR4, Navi will be a significant step up.
That being said, the question is whether or not we'll actually see it. Current rumours are pointing towards Vega at the moment.
3400G released with the rest of Zen2. The APUs are always 1 cycle behind. So next year when Zen3 7nm+ launches is probably when the 4400G will release.
@@johntotten4872 If that's the case it will be pretty interesting. That means the PC APU will be launching only a couple of months before the PS5. It'd be a neat comparison between the two.
Will the huge l3 cache be huge for the gpu in the 4400g ?
I really don't mind waiting a year for even more mind blowing performance. :D
My eyes keep rolling towards r5 3600 no matter what video i'm watching !!
I'm really torn between the 3600 and the 3700X. I can't decide ....
@@feixas6961 if you're new to the AM4 platform, get the 3600. New silicon isn't always the best, so you can upgrade to the 4700x.
@@feixas6961 im in the same boat , but i think 3600 might be it because 3d stacking is almost here
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 Yeah, I'm new to AM4 ( coming from an i5 6500) so probably do that and buy the Wraith Prism from a friend of mine that's probably gonna buy the 3700x anyways.
But the thing is, I'm gonna buy the MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac, and I don't know if B450 will support Zen2+, but I guess it's a matter of waiting.
@@vortex811 pardon my ignorance, but what's 3D stacking ?
I'm disabled and on a fixed income. I cannot afford the increase in my electric bill that a six-core + & gpu card would generate month after month. The fact that AMD is making these APUs is a godsend for people like me. I read the comments and shake my head. Money ain't free. Also, I live in Alaska and the second hand market is basically none existent and many vendors refuse to ship to Alaska. Flat out refuse. The ones that do charge a premium. .... sorry, I'm ranting. I read the comments and think there are some real snot nosed, privileged punks that don't get it. I get a little pissed some times. ok, I'm done.
Amen!
I didn’t realize the electricity in Canada was so high. My Ryzen 1700 and Titan Xp uses like 60w at idle (which is rather high, I disable all power saving options), but it’s only 350 with max of less than 400w everything overclocked to the max (no physical hardware/soldering modifications) running 4k High/ultra settings. My main system uses up to 1.7 kW with 4x R9 Fury water cooled and TR-1950x powered by 2x SuperNova 1300 (not counting power consumption of 3x 4k monitors, which is about 100w for all the displays), my highest ever power bill has been under $40 for the month (in the winter, that 1.7 kW was just cranked to it’s limits because I was using the system as a heater for my bedroom and it’s silent, it’s not that high unless you are literally trying to make it dump heat). I’m glad the electric in the US is cheap!
The only time power consumption has been an issue is my Intel 80w laptop CPU (8750h, stock it uses 80, its “45w TDP” is a joke), it drains its battery in about 40 minutes just updating games at McDonnalds and then needs to be plugged in... same battery in my 35w TDP 2012 laptop would last at least 10 hours of runtime browsing/downloading! Yikes! AMD is much more efficient now a days, I really want to see the APU in laptops for decent gaming on a realistic 1+ hour battery (I’m pretty sure my laptop wouldn’t even run 20 minutes gaming, I was literally only updating, no games launched...)
I bet the APU AMD has will be great for you, I haven’t checked power consumption on my 2200g, but I think the PSU and motherboard might use more power than that little chip, and it’s really impressive what they managed to pack in, and then with the value of these chips it’s insane! I had to get one just because they looked fun (2 things to overclock, yay!). I hope your chip works well for you, they are competent processors and mind blowing graphics power for integrated, very cool!
Spot On! While I have a 2700x with a 1080 Ti, I still get excited for these APU's! I have built a two of them with the AM1 & FM2+ platform, and i gotta say they are impressive for everyday task, even light gaming, yet they sip power, and have very low heat, and this 3400g seems to be the best so far. A lot of people don't realize just how far we've come with integrated graphics, the fact that you can even play some of these games at 1080p on low is astounding, and some older games on high as well, I'll be honest I look forward to the day where you may not need a video card to game decently, and I feel we are getting there, and like you said, these "real snot nosed, privileged punks' really don't get it, its a technical marvel that you can now build a SFF without a GPU and actually play some games, unlike before. So to that, enjoy these APU's, I'll be getting a 3400g down the road!
@@jakegarrett8109 Did you just confuse Alaska with Canada???
Jake Garrett FYI Alaska is a USA state
Next year’s AMD APUs should be very interesting because of the then 7nm architecture, especially the mobile APUs.
And navi architecture
8 core Zen 2 + 20 cu navi
@@9Mtikcus it will be revolution product
@@9Mtikcus Give me 6-core with 24 CU's. Should be able to achieve RX 580 level of performance.
@@MGsubbie i guess it will depend on what fits on 2nd chiplet. We know from ryzen 3000 cpus upto 8 cpu cores on each chiplet. So assume a ryzen 7 where all cpu cores are on first chiplet 2nd chiplet could contain gpu?
By the time you finished all those testing, 3950X might be released already, and then the Threadripper.... The never ending cycle.. 😂
Secretly that's my wish.
@@Hardwareunboxed 👍
That's right man. The never ending cycle of intel's destruction. HA HA HA HA!
Can't wait to see if my early adopter status for the 1950x was worth it, or just a big waste.
@@Hardwareunboxed at least go get some good sleep man, you're still a human.
its suck when days later ur benchmark get stolen by those d*ckhead channel
people scoff at these cpus,but these kind of products are perfect for non gamers
I've actually built a PC that had 2200G this winter for a person that needed a cheap PC for web browsing. The dude was totally satisfied.
Actually most don't scoff at them. Only if you are building a monster gaming rig.
Perfect for a lot of gamers too. It depends on the games you play. These just aren't for gamers that are continually keeping up on the latest AAA titles.
Couple with m.2 prices rn it's great for small desktops
see these very useful if school need like oem pcs
In a world where OEM's like Lenovo, Acer and Dell still Ship Box retail units with Nvidia GT 720's inside, I can tell you these "Competing" APU's are like Doom Guy gracing us with his presence. They may not be for enthusiasts, but for your average mum or grandpa, What a seamless experience.
alone the space you're saving by not using an add-on card
@@fetB Well the major point of those APUs is to sacrifice upgradability for space saving so IMO if you don't plan to use a thin-ITX case or such very constrained enclosure it's better value to be old fashion and buy a discrete graphics card instead.
@@PainterVierax constrained or sleek and small; It's a different perspective, you know. You look at it from a desktop gaming POV and sure, if one is on a budget and look for upgrade path to full rig, a tower is the way to go, but these have their place, like OP hit on.
@@fetB I don't speak from a desktop gaming PoV, I speak from an electronics engineering POV. I said constrained because I think more of embedded devices design where space is a huge constraint to deal with. The more space you have, the more functionality you can get. You can't cram as much things on a PCB with a smaller area and you sometimes need to add extra layers which add costs.
BTW if you're on a budget, choosing SFF is rarely interesting compared to ATX motherboards and cases. For the same price you get a better value and a better ugradabiliy by using a beefier CPU at start with a low-end graphics card. That's what Steve said in the conclusion and that also applies to Media Center/HTPC usage where you get more perf to do software video decoding and the ability to upgrade to a future GPU with new codec acceleration.
@@PainterVierax Wait what? I literally stated that small form factor is not a good option when on a budget with an upgrade path. Yet here you are lecturing me that it's not a good option. I also never refuted what steve said. My comment was in response to what Beau said, who is not talking about embedded systems either...
I highly doubt you have anything to do with electronics engineering, with that lack of reading and comprehension skills.
The 3400G has the equivalent GPU-power of the 750Ti, believe it or not.
On one side, that's very weak for current games, but at the same time, it's very impressive that the power of a 750Ti is inside of a CPU now.
Keep up the good work. Whether it be high end or budget CPUs/GPUs, you always do a great job.
Every graph made my eyes go wider as I saw a $150 APU slap around the i5-7600K I spent $250 on 2 years ago. Definitely looking hard at the Ryzen 3000 lineup.
that was at stock, your 7600k can beat these in every game when overclocked (who buys a K variant and doesnt overclock it? come on man)
@@choatus "Every." Careful there. There are games out now where the 7600K thread count will choke it.
But uh DDR4 is still pricey
@@choatus SFF PC so I actually spent my tweaking headroom on trying to maximize performance per watt rather than straight performance. Also, I'm finding myself thread-limited in games like AC:Origins which demonstrably scale better with thread count. It's still a good chip that can get the job done in a number of scenarios but it was also released at the peak of Intel's complete control of the market. How times have changed.
@@annasoH323 nothings changed, Tech will keep advancing as it always has... people are just too blind or caught up in the fanboyism to see it.
Thank you for covering these APUs! There are quite a few videos out and about showing massive gains that didn't quite make sense to me. Ryzen 1200 for USD 43 or 1400 for USD 64 from Ali plus a dedicated graphics card is fantastic value.
You're welcome mate and I agree with your assessment.
Surely you mean the R3 1200 for 43 USD right? the 1400 for that price (even from Ali), is insane!
@@thedandyp You're right Richard, I edited the post. The 1400 is indeed more expensive at around USD 64.
I am owner of 2400g, for dota2, cs go and othere casual games it is more then you need, i play dota 2 only, on 1440p 75hz freesync monitor, and it rocks...for 135$ in time was steal...
+@1ctrlaltdelete1 DDR4-9000
Einstein right here :D Ofc it's sound for 1080p esports but for AAA titles only 720p
@1ctrlaltdelete1 my ram was mistake, it is predator 3200, but it cant go past 29xx
@@ramibos6549 not true as you write it, AAA in last 3 4 years, play 5 6 years old games, they are cheap, good looking and good story...and you.can play mid settings 1440p...nfs mw (2 i think, 2013 one) tested mid settings 1440p 60+ fps...dirt 3, same story...that are games.that i play, sory but...and in time 135€ was 1030, that is same speed as this iGpu, ao i get cpu for free xD
@@fasic46 Old games yes 1080p or even 1440p if 5 years old game.
APUs are awesome for m-ITX cases. I own. 2400g, Chopin case and it is so small. Love it. Lot of ganes run very well with low settings. Doom, Civilization , WOT all run great on my 2400g.
Yea, I'm actually going to build an ITX-system just for a little "challenge" and fun, to throw a bunch of simpler games at. (I'll leave the more demanding ones to my bigger and more powerful PC.) - I'm gonna get a somewhat bigger case than the one you mentioned, kind of like their A1s I suppose, but still, I want something that's more like a console-size. - As a bonus-challenge, I'm going to try and make it completely gamepad-only, never needing a keyboard or mouse. - So it's going to be reeeally casual. :)
The Rzyen apu's, even the old FM2 and FM2+ apu's shine as HTPC and as basic home or office computers. Plenty fast for most anybody except content creators and serious gamers.
Besides, games aren't just about fancy graphics. - There are loads of great games that aren't as demanding. - Which game is better, really? 'Crysis' or 'Don't Starve'?... There's only one correct answer. (Hint: It's not the fancy-looking one.)
I have the R3400G since a week (swapped the 2200G) at a second pc that I use for torrents, office-work, development, some VM work and sometimes rendering and some watching video's. Awesome APU. Don't need a GPU which saves space, and powerconsumption. I'm very surprised how good the R3400G is compared to my old I5 from some years ago. My main machine is a R2700x with a RX 580 and fast ram on 3200. Totally switched to AMD since last year and very happy.
Thank you, Patrions for financing these tests! They help us to buy the right products.
10:10 Man, this whole segment aged like fine milk. Bless the algorithm for bringing this up again.
Since these APUs are on 12nm, with the older memory controller, I'm not surprised that these chips aren't really all that exciting.
Really looking forward to next year, though, when they - hopefully! - go to the 7nm process (and, more importantly, improved memory controller) for APUs. Wondering how much faster those iGPUs can go when you give them a lot more memory bandwidth.
They left it back for a reason, since they would be faster like a lot 10-15 fps. wich means their new gpus wont be needed for price they have now.
But still viable as a good set up.
I'm finally replacing my old work horse of a Duron system
You should do a price to performance for 2200, 2400, 3200, 3400 with OC.
The 2600 is $119! So I think it might be the value king!
Pete Eddy damn that's an amazing deal.
It's $133 now :(
@Danica Daniel i think 2600 is better than 3400g with gpu
For anyone who is wondering, I've been doing lots of memory tweaks on my 3400G using a b-die kit and have hit (so far) 3466MHz with 15-14-11-14-28 primary timings at 1.45v, lots of tweaked secondary timings, and just from these memory adjustments, I've got a 4203 GPU score on Fire Strike with stock GPU and CPU clocks. I'd like to eventually reach 5000 on Fire Strike once I OC the GPU, but that might be a little too optimistic, we'll see.
Any chance you recorded your score before your memory tweaks? If so please share!
@@David-uc3cl I don't have the score with it at 3466MHz before tweaking the timings, but at 2133MHz with 15-15-15-34 CAS, I got a gpu score of 3359, so a pretty substantial improvement! I actually made a video about it a couple days ago, and that shows some of the secondary timings that I used. I've since tweaked further (hence the numbers in my original comment) but it's pretty close performance wise :)
wich your motherboad ?
@@claritoresdiano1021 It's a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming Wi-Fi which is their budget b350 mini-itx board.
150$ apu, 20$ high speed ugly ram, 34$ 1tb HD, 25.00$ 450 watt power supply, 50.00$ mobo, 12$ 1200gb/2.4mhz bt5 USB adapter, 1080p 50in tv 150$, 30$ wireless keyboard and mouse combo, 16$ wireless console controller, 30$ windows, open office free, 15$/mo streaming service, and whatever sff case you can find or just mount to the back of your entertainment center.
You get a 60 fps 1080p console gaming and word processing computer perfect for a college student/poor af bois. 100.00 dollars more allows you 4k tv/steaming, just downgrade 1080p for games, or 720p and play with higher settings. Radeon 570 for another 100$ when they're on sale to solve that, and only if you feel the need as since the tv is stuck at 30-60fps it's a bit overkill. Also will raise your ac bill in summer, lower your heat bill in winter, lol.
All that for the price of a console and some change, with current newegg bestbuy and Amazon prices.
Ideally, your tv has appx 15-20 watt speakers (anything less is bad). If you cant find one then add creative stage air for 29.99 (best *ALSO* portable option), vizio small bar 59.00-80.00 (best all rounder, can be found for less open box) or creative labs stage 89.99 (best entry level with a sub, vizio is better if you're top floor apt or no real room for the sub). Creative pebble plus deserves an honorable mention, and beat most logitech options at similar pricing as well.
Hard to beat, with expandability. Use that to sustain you through your shitty job college life without falling into the apple trap. As good as gaming laptops are, they're also several times more, and its alot easier to convince your gf to come over for a movie night bang if the screen is 43-55in, and you'll be able to afford some decent furniture with what you have left over. Bonus points if you're swag enough to tell them to bring food on their way. Bonus bonus points if you hate the word swag.
If you are poor asf though you'd be better off just getting a 2200g or even a 200ge. Your not wrong tho :)
Damm, how much time do u have.
Honestly how long did it took?
formdoggie5 $ go before the #’s
@@saucyg6371 wrong.
Do you say dollars 150 or 150 dollars?
Just because some English teacher idiots do not follow common sense or logic and set a standard making as much sense, doesnt mean I'm going to follow it like a lemming.
Neither should you.
@@RAHul_KuMaR_ChANdA I type 110wpm, so no time at all.
I just assembled $730 CAD office build based on 3400g, 16GB RAM and XPG SX8200 NVMe. It rocks!
That's a good use case. What motherboard did to you use?
@@johnm2012 b450m bazooka v2. Nice ones like mortar and tuf pro are out of stock :/ I think mortar refresh is comming though but to be honest it hardly matters for office use.
I agree gonna skip it, it's better to go with 2400G, it's 10% less performance but also 30% cheaper. Better wait for 3rd or 4th gen apu on 7/7+ nm.
Right. It's not worth waiting an entire year for the 4400G.
What does your whole system cost? $300? $400? Is that tiny increase in overall cost not worth the 10% overall improvement?
Same thing when looking at $8 Xeons, like sure looks great until it needs an $80 board... gotta look at the overall price.
Personally, my delided 2200g is in a system with HX1200i platinum PSU, a $1000+ cooler, 4k monitor, and even my keyboard or headphones alone cost more than the CPU (my RAM does as well, same with the X370 board). So in this halarious case (it’s my sub-zero test bench if your wandering why the insane components), then you could see how even $100 extra is nothing compared to $2000 in the rest of the system (unfortunately, my board doesn’t have outputs for my triple 4k setup, so you still need a basic display output card, so I can use a Titan Xp collectors edition because it’s good enough for desktop display output, just because I have no other use that GPU).
Relevant topic during GPU shortage
Watching this in February 2021 in the middle of another crypto currency craze. We had no idea what was coming.
I'm watching this becouse I wanna buy an APU since 250 bucks is way too much for a 1050 Ti. I think this may be the one I go for
Here on March
Here in July 🙃😭
Here in october
3400G aged like fine wine in 2021 with the current mayhem :D
Don't forget that the i5-7600K launch price was $217 USD, that you should tell what AMD has done for us as consumers. Intel has been shafting consumers for the past 10 years.
I am using Ryzen 3600x now (couldn't find 3600 in my country), but i had 180$ i5 4440 for 6 years and have been more than happy with its performance, There was no CPU until Ryzen that could make me think of upgrading. Lack of competition in the past and weak PS4 CPU made my basic i5 4440 a beast during this generation.
I5 almost turned me into a fanboy, and few years ago i5 8400 did look strong against Ryzen 1600, so Intel really messed it up to have happy i5 owners with legendary 2500(k) or similar CPUs switching to AMD
that's competition for you... amd would have done the same. and 10 years? no...
10:10 I miss these days where CPUs were cheap and readily available. Now I'm struggling to build a budget build because used prices are outrageous and cheap Zen 2 chips are hard to come by. The 3400g is really tempting in 2020
TBH I'm just gonna wait for the 7nm APUs. I heard they're coming Novemberish?
Q1 2020 for mobile, much later for desktop
dont buy apu... they r just .... junk get some used gtx 950 or 1050 (same perf) and call it a day (and u can do it now)
Q4 2019/Q1 2020 for mobile Q2 2020/Q3 2020
@@arencorparencorp2189 I'm planning to pair it with crazy ddr4 and the upcoming nfc HTPC case. I'm using it for melee emulation, and for that APUs work great.
@@arencorparencorp2189 rx 570 4/8gb just slashed their prices a lot, at least in indonesia, while 1050 and 1060 prices still not dropping much. If you wanna buy a gpu, just commit for 1060 or rx 570 as bare minimum
I've used more than a few APUs from AMD over the 5 years or so, Like you said in the video, they make great general purpose and business desktop systems. I'm still running some 2013 AMD A10 systems and as long as you have enough RAM, they keep up just fine.
Interestng. I have a few kaveri 28nm 7850k apuS & gigabyte f2a88x-up4 mobos w/ the 16GB 2400 ram kits. I don't game or do anything heavy. I like new tech, but they are free, & I cannot see me gaining much w/ new.
Unlike the zen/vega apus, I don't lose 8 lanes to the gpu.
I have a theory that the weak cpu would really like a pcie 3 x4 nvme boot drive running on an m.2 pcie adapter card in the second gpu pcie slot. nvme doesn't lag or have processing overhead like sata ssd on the chipset.
hell - it even has onboard raid 5
I shall hold onto my 2600x for now, stoked for 4600 series in the future
the big leaps are 1000 and 3000 series. 2000 and 4000 are minor upgrades. this is a fact.
@@Dr.WhetFarts ok maybe 5000 series then, if I can wait lol but still who knows maybe 4000 series can dominate the cpu market
Great review for the 3400G... I"m buying the 3600😄😄😄
Comparing chalk and cheese XD
Love it!
Older friend of mine only really does some light programming work (hoping it'll keep his mind sharp as he ages) and web browsing so integrated graphics is a good fit for him. His ten year old system croaked last week, but I decided that he was unlikely to reach the limits of the 2400G so opted to save him the $50 or so over the 3400G.
AMD apus are great for cheap small business workstation, the small business i work for bought 5 full 2400g systems
I think the only real use left for apu in this current pricing, is for small HTPC's or super miniATX builds. I have always wanted to build one of the latter, but I have no real use for it as I don't travel and my main pc does everything so I have no need to play elsewhere. But if later on I decide to upgrade motherboards, I might use my current miniATX motherboard and build a tiny gaming pc with an apu.
I'm considering making an STX build with an APU inside of the Silverstone PT13b, a 1.4 litre case that measures roughly 7"x7"x1.6". There's basically no other choice for a case that tiny.
Amazing for extreme htpc and mini-itx builds
For a lot of the cases where I would want an APU I may as well buy a laptop with said APU in it instead of building a desktop SFF thing around it. For not much more you get SSD, RAM a display and keyboard+touchpad. The whole barebones/NUC thing make very little sense to me when you still have to pay a lot for the pleasure of installing RAM and SSD yourself and having to source a compatible SFF PSU or power brick. As soon as you add the cost of the components to get a fully functioning system that you can actually play on you have matched the price of a comparable laptop.
The r5 3600 is the best buy... great performance for it's price
Really disappointed that it didn't get a Vega 15. Though it makes a ton of sense for itx builds. My mom's rocking a 2400g itx with plenty of graphics horsepower for videos and puzzle games lol
Exactly, mein Freund!
For the 2nd time in a row, your video isn't in my sub box. I clicked the bell, hope it changes.
@Fellow accelerationist
That's alt right speak, you can't say that.
@@SYS_Alberto boop
Just discovered this channel a few weeks ago and i love everything, keep up the awesome work!
R5 3600 offers AMAZING value for a $199 chip.
I have been watching for so long but i never realized that i wasn't subscribed. You gained one more today. Thanks for the great content as always
The issue with apu's is memory bandwidth. The gpus are starved for memory, until there is either more channels or these apus can handle much much faster ram like 4400 you're not gonna see benefits
James Mastroianni it’s common knowledge that AMD cpus are RAM hungry and recommend 16GB minimum to run smoothly. And at 3200MHz minimum. MINIMUM.
They’re hungry Bastards.
@@MapleLeafAce they need bandwidth not capacity...
These Ryzen 5 3400G are even more valuable now with yet another GPU price hike years later.
Already bought it and paired it up with the ASRock A300
How's your impression?
@@EditioCastigata Works pretty much as expected. Using it as an HTPC and emulator machine.
These chips can help AMD break into the office market. Businesses are almost 100% intel because most AMD chips need GPUs. With Ryzen APUs now on the market for over a year and a half they have been arpund long enough for companies to start considering them.
Phil Gibson AMD has had APUs since 2011...
@@raresmacovei8382 But Ryzen APUs (meaning not trash) only since last year
Phil Gibson previous apus weren't trash either. Yes they had mediocre cpu performance, but were damn cheap
Phil Gibson For office work, they were just fine.
Perfect for my mini itx build so I can do gpu passthrough to windows on my Linux PC!
I do think this APU is perfect for a HTPC or in a music studio (my use case) since you can avoid having a discrete graphics card and the fan noise that comes with it. Couple this with a decent PSU that doesn't run its fan under normal load (several options here) and get a Noctua cooler which is as quiet as they come and you're golden. A decent performer with no perceptible noise. Leave the gaming to the bigger processors and discrete graphics.
Stephen Clark Yeah these are great little APU for specialty use - I have a 2400g as a media center PC in a tiny case. Barely any noise, snappy performance, plays indie games and AAA on low settings, will run any light to medium app on it from productivity to even 1080p video editing or game development. It has just enough power to get a lot of stuff done - not at top level but comfortably. Upcycle it with a GPU and bam you have a mid level gaming rig. So much flexibility for minimal money at the start.
Funny how this is relevant again due to mining and gpu shortages. Too bad the 3400g is nowhere to be found, either.
I stopped playing games a year ago, so i sold my RX580 for the same price i bought it 3 years ago, and just ordered this APU today. It's crazy how gpu prices have sky rocketed...
I have an APU already for my HTPC. 5 years old now my A10-7850K works well for playing movies and TV and surfing the net is smooth and trouble free; I even have the bios limiting it to 45 watts TDP so I can use it with a very old 90's aluminum cooler that has an 80mm fan and it's as fast as it needs to be. I bought an MSI M/B for it for $50 and everything else was old parts I had on hand. Very cheap setup yet completely adequate for an HTPC.
My opinion on this APU? I agree with Steve, if I didn't already have one and needed an HTPC, I'd get the 2400G and save the money. It's already more than you need.
I hate the branding. Wish they matched naming schemes with process nodes.
Yes! I nearly bought one thinking it is a new zen2 arch.
Thank god I saw this vid in my recommendation box
Of course now a 3600 is so close in price to a 3400G that it would be close to foolish to get the 3400G. Well unless a GPU was completely out of the question budget wise.
APUs need better DCC and DDR5 to become much faster again. Anyways, I built a PC with a second-hand 2200G for my parents. it is a perfect small, efficient, cheap PC build for their 4K TV.
I mean they dont but those are the most likely things AMD will do.
I meant its a pretty good cpu for home-server, as its a 4 core with decent IGPU, definitely decent for a system where you don’t need that extra computing power.
Beyond that anyone who doesn’t use it for heavy workload will find that it is compelling to get this as opposed to intel I3/I5 option due to price and performance.
Overall a great product from amd.
The 2200g is RIDICULOUSLY cheap from Microcenter @ $59 usd.
Can you send a link or location plz
So your saying it's a bad time to be selling my used 2200g lol
Amjad Mustafa
www.microcenter.com/product/503183/ryzen-3-2200g-quad-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-stealth-cooler
EchoNozz
Ha ha, I cannot imagine you will get much for it unless you are selling an entire system?
+EchoNozz not if you want $10 for it
who the heck keeps disliking these videos?!? they're good reviews!
How well does the 3400g overclock? I know for the 2400g people regularly got 1600Mhz on Vega 11. Still the same or can it go slightly higher?
1800-1850mhz on igpu, 4.1 ghz on cpu. 2400g did only 3.7 iirc and 1600mhz on igpu. Really nice actually
@@2000jalebi Thanks for your response. Those are actually quite decent gains.
i dont understand people pairing these cpus with basement performance GPUs just makes no sense to me this is a great choice for a office pc or a slim client or super small itx build. i can get a 1600 and a rx 480 for less then this cpu and if the price on 2600 gets any lower i could do that with the rx 480 for the same price as a 3400g.
3400g is 150 new, and sff PC's appreciate the exclusion of a gpu.
Z3phyr 1600 is $80 and a motherboard can be gotten for as little as $40 and I have a $40 RX 480 so for $160 and you have a board cpu and gpu that is very good
@@jonathonrosalia9345 You can't compare used prices to new prices buddy. Your rig seems great tho 👍
Z3phyr only thing used was the gpu and if you want a good motherboard it would be used but I can do new for $40 still for am4 and the 1600 is $80 new priced and alittle more than that on alli express. Just saying new price is no reason not to research and shop around for much more than you expect to get.
I wish the higher level cpus had apu versions like the intel chips. Imagine the hardware acceleration performance
i wished the same thing until i found out that the overclocked 3200G will match the overclocked 3400G in games when both are overclocked. that means that all of the higher level ryzens will have the SAME fps as an overclocked 3200G. turnes out they will ALL be bottlenecked by the system memory.
Zangetsu that’s not what I meant. I mean for productivity where you can use the integrated graphics to make rendering faster
@@StiggyAzalea oh, you mean like quicksync?
first video i watched oh this channel
i cant stop looking at ur backtround
Thanks for the video. R5 1600 vs R5 3600 is more impressive progress (avg 40%! I think).
The results were in line with the progress between zen and zen+, so no real surprises
Love using these in emulation builds for friends.
1 dislike from Intel team working on igpu.
As for the cpu, I like it, but it's too expensive. I mean Ryzen 5 2600 is cheaper than this and 2nd hand polaris rx cards are extremly cheap.
Same, I like it, but I'm waiting for 7nm version. Personally I think saving up and getting a separate CPU and GPU is superior, however APU's really shine in small cases. Whenever the 4400g comes out, I'll pop it into a node 202 case (or a smaller case if I can find it) and use it for a mobile desktop PC for some low end gaming. I'm currently using my laptop with the i3-6100u and r6 siege is a STRUGGLE, if the 4400g can play siege at 1080p medium settings 60 frames, I'll be a day one buyer.
A lot of doubts cleared.
Big thanks.
Dear Diary: "Its been 10 days since Ryzen 3000 launched. Until this day, there isen't one proper 3800x review on youtube. My life is a struggle without knowing what to buy."
You buy thee new model of raspberry pi, obviously.
Just get a 3600
@MasterSteve Just get the 3700X. The small performance between the 3700X and 3800X isn't worth the premium.
I've seen a 3800x review on my feed but didn't click it. Besides, anyone who believes they need a 3800X, won't. As simple as that. I can't think of *any* case where the 3700X wouldn't suffice, and ofc, you can OC most 3700X to match a 3800X.
@@BenWatson1996 I know you might be right, but still i would like 2 see a objective review
if anyone of you have a 2400G/3400G and is using ASRock B450M Pro4, do not update the BIOS to 3.40 if you plan on adjusting the dedicated RAM for the APU, nothing you do in the BIOS changing the Uma Frame Buffer Size will be saved. that means you won't be able to decrease it to 64MB like in this video in this channel "AMD Raven Ridge 8GB vs. 16GB Reserved Memory Benchmark & Explanation"
Oh
4:19 Cuda acceleration on a Radeon APU?
Thanks. I really wanted to see this video. I think I'll go for a 2400G. Subscribed.
I think it is still a good option for super small itx like inwin Chopin for people who just surf the internet and need some PC for email....like my wife or her mam...
For many of those tasks the the integrated GPU in the Ryzen 5 3400G series is overkill. AMD's own Athlon 200GE makes more sense then.
@@NicolaiSyvertsen also very right
ye, the numbers show you can actually build a small gaming pc. Division, Far Cry, F1 2019 etc, are even fairly new titles and are sometime over60 lows. Not to mention older games, which, just because they are old, arent automatically bad. There are a tonne of games you can actually play with it
I purchased the 3400g.. even though I had a 2400g because I have a A300 desktop mini and the 3400g is the best option for that desktop mini
Can you software overclock 3400g on the a300 as the bios overclock is locked?
@@robertbradburn2117 - is there is a way, I don't know how to do it.... yet. ;)
can you test how good these are for streaming with x264 via a seperate streaming pc? what settings could i use with these cpus ... im thinking about medium 720p60 @ 5000kbit/s
Wouldnt you be better of getting a cheap build from intel 4th ge
Nevermind. I thought you are going to use this as secondary pc for streaming
I'm meant that xd
SSF HTPCs with good APUs are always appealing to me. (Even though I have a big gaming tower.)
Can you build micro pc with this for a person that doesn’t play games just excel sheets and internet?
Yes
Yep. Although a 2200G or 2400G would be just as effective for someone that isn't gaming and they're cheaper
asrock deskmini a300 + 2200/3200G
Yes, they are great for that ! Remember that 4cores/8threads was the consumer high end until 2 years ago, so it's very much capable of doing browsing and office work.
Built one for my mother last year with the 2400g and 8GB of Ram and a small ssd. It was a huge improvement on what she had before.
If you want to build in a mini case, checkout the deskmini A300, Steve reviewed it a few months ago, you can build a super small beast of office pc for 400 $/€ with it. It probably won't support the 3000 series out of the box though.
Inwin Chopin for case. Hawt!
I just ordered a Ryzen 5 1600 and mobo for $110 from MC. Asked my sister to pick up. She dropped off the stuff today....MC goofed on both items. Gave me the right mobo.....but used and missing an I/O sheild. and gave me a 3400g instead of the 1600.
Gotta decided what I'm gonna do now. lol.
I usually love the content that HU makes, but this was video was a bit disappointing. I'm building a cheap office (non-gaming, non-encoding/3D) computer for a friend and this video didn't really provide much useful information. More info on how this would compare to a cheap non-APU chip + ultra cheap discrete graphics (eg. GT710) and how it compares to Intel offerings for the relevant workloads would have been nice. I'm sure some people game on APU's, but a lot also use them for "Word/Excel" or home theatre boxes.
because the vid is specifically about this cpu and not what you mentioned?
it is a gaming cpu after all,if you want one you probably wanna check out the AMD R5 series with older models,like 1500 and 1600 might do it for you
I'm only getting 1786 Multicore points in Cinebench R20 with the 3400G in my Asrock A300.
Power Profile set to performance, no CPU overclock, 2933mhz memory dual channel.
9:12 "unimpossible". hahaha
Thanks, Steve. I learned a new word today.
I think he says "near on impossible", might be the aussie accent.
He definitely said "near on impossible".
lol I heard the same
My hopes were set very highly lol, I was really hoping for at least a 15-20 FPS boost. Maybe, they'll release a stronger GPU aspect APU in the near future.
but i heard that it does overclock 100-200 mhz better so maybe that improves it even furder
Power Consumption idle with a known good/lower power Motherboard (ITX prefered, such as MSI B450I) would be nice to know as well. As that might also be something interesting for some people....
Mine does 51W idle
@@10vingers With the MSI B450I, no GPU, and the older 2400G, I was getting 20W or lower with ISK110 PSU, Windows Desktop, nothing else running.
@@Stefan_Payne I have a PC with a 400W PSU and 6 HD's (4 HD, 2 SSD). So different setup.
The PSU is choosen so I can update later to an CPU + dGPU.
@@10vingers yeah, that explains the difference. an HDD is about 10W or so, SSDs are way less than that (I remember increasing the battery life of my old SONY Vaio with the 3 Core Phenom mobile and the Radeon 5650, where the move to the SSD made it run a while longer)...
Can we see some 3600x stock cooler vs evo 212 and similar coolers temps already?
212 evo is so yesterday ...
I'll quick answer you, Hyper 212 Evo is significantly better than the Wraith Spire but performs the same as the Wraith Prism
@@RubiGMM Thx but they have different TDP rating, prefer to see some numbers. Its 10 days since launch and no Air coolers tested on this new cpu's
@@RubiGMM its a tad worse than the prism
Great job steve as always , i cant wait for the r7 3800x Review
Sadly 7nm apus will not Make Sense. I already maxed My memory badwidth using 2400g.
Honestly My bet will be on next gen apus and ddr5 rams.
ddr5 will release in like 2021. AM4 socket wil be till 2020.
Exactly right. DDR4 is limiting the APU. DDR5 in my opinion should reach 1050ti performance. I had my 2400g at 1650mhz and memory over clocked to 3600 cl16 and the increase in performance is rough 10FPS over stock at 1080p low.
Im yet to hit a stable 4.2 even at a dangerous 1.4635v on 240mm AIO. Temps are fine around 65c (winter in Australia) but I'm maxed out on voltage. When I get my 3700x I'll smash it with 1.5v for fun.
@@MrIsmaeltaleb85 gets an APU uses 240mm AIO with 3600 cl 16 RAM.....
Hmmm....
Doubt (X)
Unless the next APUs will have some vRAM included in the package...
It amazes me how much amd stepped up their cpus. Going from the 2600x to just the 3600 is a huge jump and makes me want to upgrade my 2600x.
*"Corona benchmark" Watching this in 2020* 😆😆😆
These Ryzen APUs make good small form factor HTPCs.
I use one of these in a Silverstone ML02 case I bought and retooled to work with modern hardware
im really starting to miss the toilet flush intro.
Yeah, I know right... miss it so much, cos with out it I've hated having to instead listen to the perfectly good fit for purpose outro music they used to replace it with for the last 6 months, right from the getgo. Wish the 'toilet flush' was still around along with quality outro muzak added at the end of their videos on the tip of their 'see you in the next one' fingered point!
I haven't been this excited about PC gaming since 2006 when the GeForce 8800 GTX was released. O remember buying it in 2007 and building a PC to run Crysis.
Bitcoin mining fucked up GPUs pricing completely, and I have been turned off of PC gaming since 2011/2012.
AMD is truely doing some exciting and wonderful things with the price performance and innovation of their products.
I was just writing an answer on this very same CPU. Funny coincidence. BTW any update on anti-lag testing.
That video is a few days away.
@@Hardwareunboxed thanks
@Rohith K R athe... Veedu kollam
Considering that the graphics on a 2400g can be overclocked to 1600mhz and the 3400g to 1800mhz, there is quite a bit of performance still left on the table. By not overclocking the compute cores and overclocking the gpu cores, most games become quite playable at 1080p. My 2400g is overclocked to 1550mhz and my 3400g is at 1750mhz. No excessive heat or voltage with a third party cooler. I'm told delidding the 2400g and liquid cooling it would allow further overclocks but thats more effort than I want to go to, besides being unnecessary.
#HUB any news on the 300GE series? :D
Just got one for my first $400 build. picked it up for $133. Mostly my laptop is dying, and it's near decade age is just making gaming unplayable. Hopefully I can just get back to playing my old games again. but this looks promising.
Great work guys really pumping out the articles atm.
Looking forward to the 3800X review/comparison.
If its anything like the 3600 v 3600X (over at gamersnexus) then it seems the 3700x might just be the way to go.
Any news on this new GSkill Neo ram is coming out? Besides "soon"
Building cheap office PCs or small emulation PCs for people with the 3400G will be sweet. Good for multithreaded tasks and light gaming while not needing to buy a graphics card.
This APU have best overclocking potential and you skipped it
What would be the estimated lifespan for system build with a R5 3400G+SDD+8GB 3200 Mhz for everyday office work (no gaming, no video editing) before upgrading the CPU? I would say its 5 years, then upgrade the CPU to a R5 4xxxxG, and last another 3 years.
Real APU performance will be 4400G.
Chiplet Navi and Chiplet Zen2... they might even put hbm in it.
They absolutely will not put hbm in it. The die space needed and the cost of hbm are way too prohibitive for a product occupying this price range, not to mention the thermal complications of trying to fit the tdp of hbm chips under the same ihs.
I think there's also the point to be made that for dedicated GPU gaming, the 2400G was also a good buy in a certain price point when it released because some of the cache improvements made it faster than parts like the R5 1400, which were in the same price range. But for this generation, you're better served by just buying an R5 1600 for $105 US.