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Benching 400 pounds........You mean your going to the UK and were at the Bureau De Change and fell over while leaving with £400 in cash....hahahahahaha
Ettore Bugatti If the mustache is gone i will not be able to recognize your videos anymore! Stop trolling us again. Steve has an accident and hurts his back while benching 400 pounds. Hardware Unboxed starts raising founds for mental health . Hmm
Good job Tim. I’ll have to be careful with the bench press in future :D In all seriousness I actually hurt my back while building a new deck, it wasn’t any one thing though, just days of being hunched over on the deck took its toll and I should have just stopped and rested up. I have a bad back from my sporting days (muscle stress) which I normally manage well but pushed too hard for too long this time in an effort to make the most of a good weather window. Anyway, the good news is I have found an amazing physio who has worked wonders for my back, hips and neck (basically my entire body was out of whack and past therapy wasn’t as good). Feeling much better now and will be back making videos later this week. And yes I will take it easy for a bit :D Thanks guys.
It's a little disappointing that we're still throwing AAA game after AAA game at the integrated graphics of APUs. That you need a discrete GPU to play demanding games is hardly a revelation at this point, and it's pretty well known that those aren't the games most people interested in these things plan on playing with them. It would be much more interesting to see what you CAN do with them than what you can't. It might've also been worth noting that, for the niche of gamers that are APU and Low Spec Gaming enthusiasts, these APUs mark a significant milestone in the development of the technology. For the first time the saying "any discrete GPU is better", which had been true forever, no longer necessarily holds up. APUs can go toe to toe with cards like the GT 1030, RX 550, and their even crappier predecessors, changing the value proposition for pairing them with a low end CPU, particularly for those with a strong aversion to buying second hand. Apart from those gripes, however, this was a great review as always. Thank you!
I got lucky I bought my GPU before prices jumped during COVID, but honestly using an APU like this would have been a good option. I would get a 1440p screen so text during day to day usage wouldn't look blurry, and I could game higher demanding games at 720p which is half of 1440p so it wouldn't look as blurry as expected.
Considering it goes toe to toe with GT 1030, one could summize that it's worth comparing it to the budget king, GTX 750ti. In such regard, it could almost be on par with pricing for the full builds and it's far more modern and future proof. I mean... how much would a 5600g build cost vs an i5-2xxx/4xxx + GTX750ti? And what is the performance difference? And what is the future potential?
Also people shouldn't forget about the tremendous backlog of steam games that this chip is totally capable of. I've been using covid to catch up on lots of old school games.
True not all of us want to play only recent titles. Many of these reviewers cannot seem to understand that. Hooking this up to a 720p tv gives it even more longevity.
@Hanseul Choi Depends where you live. Where I live most tv's are 720p there are 1080 also available and even 4k but they are very expensive. It's necessary to think globally when discussing this matter.Hardware is cheap in the US but not in other places.
I upgraded my 3200g I sold the 3200g to a client that needed a new PC for their business, and the 3200g was overpowered for what they wanted to even use it for. I took my gpu out, and built a 5600g. I guarantee there will be someone else that will want me to build them a PC for their business and ill probably sell that, remove the gpu and rinse and repeat. The integrated gpu has SAVED me. The integrated gpu of the 3200g allowed me to resell my budget gaming pc to business / office users where as if I got a cpu without integrated, I would of definitely had to find a cheap gpu to put in. I'm glad the G series cpus exist and I hope they never stop making great integrated. This solid integrated also saved me during the gpu crisis, and seems to be very resellable as retired gaming pcs to office / productivity users. I used to wait years to sell one of my pcs and It would be a glorified office spec pc by the time I was done with it as only gamers would buy them, but now the market has really opened up resale value to regular non gamers as once were done or if we see a chance at upgrading we dont have to donate our gpu with it. I most certainly was not going to put an old glitchy gtx 560 inside it haha. Man AMD needs to keep coming with these.
Thanks for the review! Please consider running gaming benchmarks at 720p when reviewing iGPU, laptops, and similar low power components. Many of the frame rates were hovering around the mid 20's, which is tantalizingly close to 30. Lowering the resolution could allow playable framerates for budget gamers. I'd much rather play a game at 720 than not play at all.
Basically most igpu really ran at 900p for the high powered igpu models like this, while everything else is usually 720p or lower for good framerates. Igpu gaming carries lower expectations and usually resolution is the first thing to go.
Yes I have seen that there are a lot of used 1600x900 LCD screens out there, that would be an interesting test as well and you're not too far away from 1080p to begin with.
It seems to be a common Australian trait. I follow 4 Aussie channels in total, 3 car related and 1 computer related, because they're all really good at pacing, clear pronunciation and creating compelling narratives. Australian English is also easy for me to understand. It's "not too British and not too American".
@@andersjjensen if you guys are referring to hardware unboxed in particular (i don't know what other channels you're talking about), the way they speak in their videos is a very common presenter style. somewhere between normal speech and the news voice here. i don't think it's too different from other professional review channels or essay video channels on youtube tho, including non-australian ones. the accent is pretty normal too
i bought the R5 5600g brand new for 150 USD here in the Philippines january of 2023, and a second hand 3060ti (mined) for 220 USD, and i think for that price this cpu is REAAALLY good.
i5 10400f+GTX 1060 3GB (used ) is for $336 where I live 5600G with Vega Graphics (New) is for $292 where I live That used GPU comes with no warranty. The difference is $44 with the potential of GPU dying. That Fps looks great but there is a risk attached to it. Good review. Also, the likelihood of CPU prices decrease is far more so the difference will go from $44 to $90+ in a matter of months.
When I finished warcraft 3 back in the day my Pentium 3 integrated graphics was good for about 6fps. I frequently had to play games bellow 20fpa during my gaming days because I could never afford anything better. 30fps is stupendous
this is the CPU I went with. Got it on sale for $221.00 in Dec. '21 really glad I went with the hex-core version, future proofed my system.... for now....
it depends on pricing on your region. for me buying 5600G will be much cheaper than an intel CPU + old GPU. because intel CPUs costs more here, and used GPU market is a joke since people are selling old GPUs near their launch MSRP even in normal time
@@katech6020 I mean yeah if you don't have any old hardware sure it is a nice deal but how many people don't have any gpu whatsoever? From what I can tell most people do already have old gpus whether they are just couple of years old or couple of generations old. I think if these apus provided about the same performance to their x versions while costing just a bit more or AMD released regular 5600/5700 with similar performances to these apus while costing a little less might have been a better idea.
I'm building my first ever pc so i dont have any old gpus lying around and even the second hand GPUs are over the msrp. So for me the 5700G makes a lot of sense as a stop gap. Im planning to buy it on the release date i cant wait to start building!
@@burakkose481 plenty of people don't have any gpu, or its old af (worse than the apu) or maybe its defect. Also point of apu is that it does not need external power, can fit in super tiny case, and is silent without extra cost
Such an old igpu architecture but still competes/beats the competition. Can't wait to see how rdna 1/2 in apu with ddr5 does. Consoles are somewhat of a example and even more so will be the steam deck. Also has quad channel with ddr5 so how much that memory speed benefits apu will be neat in testing. So excited.
The consoles are not an example, as they use GDDR for system memory, instead of using DDR for graphics memory :P Also: I hate to say this, but factoring in the cost of a 4 stick memory kit (and the need for the consumer desktop platform to be quad channel in general - which is currently reserved for Threadripper) makes for the same old sad story that has always surrounded APUs: It's just not worth it. The extra expense of the base platform + the price tag of a memory kit that can kick some ass = more expensive than an entry level dGPU which is going to be faster anyway. Until AMD decides to put an HBM stack on the APU package it will never be what people dream of. The latency and lack of bandwidth from DDR makes it a non starter. I've seen this "dream" pop up prior to every DDR generation change. But since sub-$300 GPUs seems to be a thing of the past and AMD seems to be pushing hard in die stacking then maybe, just maybe, they'll find a way to get 8GB HBM, 16-20CUs and 4-6 cores into a 200W package at $400
@@andersjjensen Try reading next time. I said somewhat of an example because they had many many similarities, more than any other chip. Don't be a tool.
I agree that's why I also watch randomgaminghd as he stresses older hardware with newer games and even in 720p gets really good performance...I grew up in the era of atari and so on so when I hear someone say it's almost unplayable at 25 to 30fps it makes me think how privileged the younger generation is.
@matej nemec wth are you even referring to? He is saying the word "privileged" with reference to how much technology has improved and how no one plays at 30fps in 2021 no matter who you are. So, to recap, kids in 2021 are so privileged to play all games at higher framerates because the state of technology supports it. Only your sorry self took in offensively. GD immature troll.
@@michaelwood9866 important to remember the display technology for most people is a crappy LCD that's still worse for gaming than crt your atari programmers were crazy skilled.
To the op, I think its a product focusing on small die space. If you can squeeze 1080p out of it or if you're limited to 720p just depends on the game you play and personal preference. I personally would play most games I play at 1080p45 vs 720p80 any day. My $0.02
I built a system around this apu and it is really performing well in both games and work apps. Of course with newer games you can't expect to play it highly but I can play world war z 1080p med settings w/ 75 fps lock and nba 2k22 med-high settings at 60 fps lock. You can get it now for a very low price. It is also power efficient.
I built two file servers with 5600G chips. at around $130 a piece during the Christmas sales, it was the better bang for the buck when compared to the 5700G for around $180. The IGP saved one PCI-E slot, allowing slot #1 to hold a RAID controller and slot #2 for the 10Gbe card, each at 8x.
I think i am going to go for the 5600G for my proxmox machine (currently 2600X), I will be able to remove the GT 1030, which frees up another valuable cpu routed PCIE slot for an extra AHCI card (need to use these as onboard dont have own IOMMU group). Also I dont run in XFR mode for the efficiency, and this high 3.9ghz base clock will work well for me as well.
The one thing I would say as a computer builder down in Florida is that I would use this APU as a stopgap and build an amazing rig around it. My customer would have the option of adding a GPU later and get ryzen 5 3600 performance with his new GPU combination and then later on upgrade to a true 5000 series to get the rest of his performance. Then resell this APU and still get the majority of his money back on it. That's something that I have not seen really mentioned in the majority of reviews I've watched. I agree that the 5700 g is not necessarily a great bang for the buck. I'm trying to see how that Apu would fit with my customer base. But the 5600 g definitely would work and I would love to test it with higher end memory such as that Patriot kit that's supposedly runs at 4400 MHz and see if that would improve a few performance as well as be a great kit for a normal 5600x or better CPU. That is a consideration that has not been looked at is if you're building a system as a stopgap why not get the best memory you could get? It's going to benefit your later generation CPUs anyways. Any thoughts?
I've always been an APU fan. My 1st one was the A10-7850. I built a pair of 3400G's (one for my mum, other for a friend) and they were PERFECT for that person wanting an everyday browsing PC with the ability to play Facebook games without any grief. The 5600G/5700G will follow those same lines, so don't expect to be running 240fps on a AAA title, but Bejeweled Blitz runs a dream. 😁👍
@@twistednemo just for few years before VRAM chips based on DDR5 will replace GDDR6 on graphics cards. And for what gain? Now it's only on par with RX550 which is the Polaris entry level card already weaker than the previous R7 260x and way more weak than a RX460. Actually it's only barely interesting because the market is abnormally high priced. And it highly depends on the local state of the used market.
Using those dewalt tools from his shed.. LOL On a serious note, you are the 1st honest reviewer that does not automatically jump onto the Min 60FPS rate. With 40-45 av FPS is where you can enjoy most of the games out there esp in the single-player mode. Well done on being honest on that part where most others jump onto 60 FPS bandwagon. On the GPU side, please bear in mind that the 1060 3Gb is still quite an exe card on the 2nd hand market. With sellers looking at approx 200-250 AUD (150+ USD).
Overall a good test. It would have been nice to see the idle consumption though, as that is the state my PC spends most time in. I'm also curious how it works with a AMD GPU, as it comes with 16pcie lanes. But my main interest is the performance as apu. So the test did show that well.
I'm currently looking to upgrade an old system with an i7-4790 and saw a nice 5600G on the used market. Thank you for the video, I wasn't sure how this would perform, now I know it's a good upgrade! Should give me a nice upgrade path too with higher end AM4 chips down the line.
I would also point out that this is basically a 3600 with a G attached to it in performance. If you are NOT wanting to build a intel i5/GT x 1060 3gb build because you want an AMD upgrade path thus still makes a lot of sense. Really impressed with this 5600g...:)
The fact that it can perform similarly to any kind of discrete graphics card is amazing to me, the RX 550 is a whole addon component while the iGPU is literally a PORTION of a CPU. Its exciting to imagine what iGPUs will be like in the future. Also, when you take into account that the iGPU here performs as well as flagship GPUs from about 15 years ago, it really puts into prospective how much graphics hardware technology has progressed, theyve managed to fit all that into a CPU package. Maybe 15 years from now, iGPUs will perform similarly to an RTX 3090.
"he injured himself while benching 400pounds" Never heard o that game, we told Steve all those benchmarking sessions were dangerous and will take a toll on his dad bod
Hey Steve, _DeWalt Sucks, Ryobi Rules!_ .. .. .. Cheers from Alaska, get well soon. (if I didn't kick ya while ur down, you might think I don't like ya) Tim, awesome what you're doing with the gofundme. The stigma still being associated with mental health problems needs to change. As someone who has a few _problems_ of my own, I really respect your choice for this fundraiser. Thank you.
Poor Steve, I hope he gets better soon! Awesome review done by both of you! :) One thing that could be worth looking into is iGPU performance in Linux. On my laptop I generally get better performance during memory bandwidth constrained scenarios in Linux since Proton and DXVK (DirectX translation layer to Vulkan) doesn't need the CPU to prepare draw calls for the GPU in the same manner as OpenGL and DX9-DX11. However, this is on a 15W TDP Ryzen 2500U.... generally Windows performance is better in 1080p. But during weird non-CPU and -GPU bottlenecks (like in 720p) I can actually easily reach 60+fps when windows really can't reach 60fps no matter how low the resolution is.
Steve got hurt when he tried to lift 5600g performance to our expectations 🤣 but I will be buying it anyway as a stopgap to this GPU mayhem 🤣 Get well Steve !!!
Have fun! I had to do similar with a 3400G last autumn, in reality I found it more capable than I expected. You just have no hope with the gfx intensive games featured in benchmarks. Adding a GPU it runs pretty well, am holding off in finishing the system with a 5600X
@@Supcharged What, he has a boyfriend instead? Since when is not having a wife and kids automatically an indicator for someone being gay, lol? Not saying Tim isn't gay. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Just saying, just because a guy isn't married doesn't mean he is gay.
@@Supcharged You'll have to ask Tim directly then. As far as I remember he never came out as gay or anything. Tho I have to admit, with this Freddy Mercury mustache he does look gay indeed.
I think the G chips are better because of the graphics. You can still get video out if your GPU fails for any reason. If you want to upgrade your GPU you can sell your current GPU then get a new GPU and use integrated while you wait ! Thanks for the video
Just want to say that here I am, 10 months later using my 5600G to run games like GTA V on medium (50-60 FPS), Batman Arkham City on midium High at 40-66 FPS) NFS at 30fps on medium (with a little bit of turning down the settings) life is strange at higher on 50-60 FPS and so on, my whole setup is about U$600, só for me is well worth, especially living in Brazil where everything is 60% higher priced. In fact, I'd never thought to be able to afford this setup last year, but here am I :)
Hope Steve feels better soon! I also have a bad back. I am also getting older and creakier. Thanks for THIS review! Some light gaming on my 'daily driver' .. ? Prices look good on the 5600G!
I hope Steve gets better soon, I suffered a back accident in an RTA & it will always hurt, also good luck with the fund raising I lost my Nan to dementia & my Great Aunt had Depression its a worthwhile cause mental illness is either stigmatised or not taken as seriously and treated as say losing/lacking a limb.
@@jakethadley Don't have a > 1080 display huh? With all the tech that Steam is building it might be worth squeezing a little space from your hard disk and giving PopOS or FerrenOS a go. Hell, try Manjaro if your brave enough. Steam works brilliantly on Linux and most option support 720p WAY better then windows.
@Eric will be more every week, since its open source. Already multiple old games have gotten support unofficially from modders. Anyways besides the point, its good without fsr too for most games.
@Eric well with "good" I ment 'ok' but I also forgot that it uses vega 7 and not vega 8 or 11. I mean I thought it's igpu was better than for example 3400g. Anyways, hopefully 6000 series apus will be plenty better, with rdna2 igpu
Great tests, but ram frequency is not shown. Ryzen APUs can give a significabtly different output between e.g. 3000mhz ram vs 4400mhz. Also, having data for an oc 5600g means it’s fair to overclock the 5700g too.
The 5700G is the best CPU for a Looking Glass compact build. 4 cores virtualize a Windows gaming machine and 4 more for Linux. Then a real GPU like a 6800 XT sits as the Windows gaming GPU - and should you want to, the VM can be off and both the 6800 XT and 5700G can be dedicated for gaming on Linux. But, yes, it's a niche within a niche usecase, for sure.
I'm certain you'd get away with two cores for the Linux host also. My 2700X with its 5700 and 1070 was built for that purpose but fiddling around with the config after installing the 1070 and removing a SSD made me lose interest in even using that PC outside of VR.
It will be interesting to see what AMD does with RDNA 2, supposedly all Zen 4 CPUs will have RDNA 2 cores in them just like all of Intel CPUs have iGPUs. How powerful these will be I have no idea but a much larger 3D cache plus DDR5 should help them a lot.
Im so looking forward to seeing a rdna 2 apu with on package hbm It would be amazing to have a system with just one heat source. Just put a good AIO on it and off you go. Compact silent system
They probably didn't expect it to be a full $100 cheaper... HUB is very value oriented, so if the value proposition changes things may pique their interest.
Could someone explain to me why the 5600g is so much slower than the 5600x even though it only has a 200mhz drop in frequency or does the L3 cache matter that much?
Get well Steve! I've blown my back out several times so far, and I understand what you're going through. For people who haven't, imagine what it feels like to hit your funny bone, now imagine what that'd feel like in your back, 24/7 anytime you breath wrong. You learn to appreciate just being able to wipe your bum, without excruciating pain.
A market for these apus is the hdmi 2.1 Considering how expensive the 30 series and 6000 series are, you'd enable HFR 4K HDR on a 1080 ti or 2080 ti assuming that works. On FSR supported games this could be a great experience. I don't know if VRR works with these APUs and if that works while using a dGPU to process. I think that's something you need to consider in your review, especially an 8 core APU for gaming. You really don't need 8 cores to game on if you're not using a dGPU
Indeed, rather than spending extra for an onboard cpu if the plan is to upgrade to a discrete card later, I would much rather recommend a 10400f with a used 970 card. It's old enough that the used prices aren't too bad, and it still offers decent 1080p gaming performance.
I think the 5600G & 5700G needs a re-hash. Now with AM5 introduced, and Value has changed, as you can now get, the 5600G for under $130, and the 5700G for $199. I wonder if recommendations would change, for those who decide to stick with the AMD platform while keeping the price closer to Earths orbit?
I also think the price and value gap, of the 5600g vs 5600x, is interesting. It seems worth it, to consider the G model, even if the Integrated Graphics aren't to be used. If I were spending the extra cash for the X model, I would seriously consider jumping up to the Ryzen 7.
Good review. Just bought one to run in my next passive cooled HTPC, in a Streacom FC10. It'll replace a i5 4250U so expect quite the boost in power :-D
if you already have a gpu, then you should just grab a ryzen 5 5600x since your gtx 1070 will beat out anything the 5600g can offer. If you didnt have a gpu though, then I would say the 5600g is a great option while you wait for the prices to drop.
@@runterranger7398 Hm, hearing this advice, I think I will just hold onto my 1700 & 1070 for a longer time, till the chip shortages are sorted out. Or hope cryptos will burst.
The 5700G is to what would have been a 5700X performance as the 5600G is to the 5600X, its just there is no 5700X, comparing it to a 5800X is a bit of a non surprise when it will underperform as its already going to be slower than what would have been the X version in the same tier, but is absolutely going to be way slower than the X of the next tier up, and lets be honest, the iGPU performance is better than the 7000 series IGPUs and better than anything on the X or non x non igpu, so its a bit of give and take, pricing aside. Speaking of pricing, 1 year on and these are a hell of a lot cheaper and so much better bang for the buck they can be picked up here int he UK for between £75-£100 for the 5600G and £100-£150 for the 5700G new, so both great for mini ITX HTPC light gaming/retro gaming PCs. Considering they were near 1:1 USD$ to GBP£ back at launch, that's a nice drop for what you get.
This is currently the best option for gaming on a low-budget. The CPU is actually quite good. You're paying very, very little for the GPU if you consider how much the CPU by itself is worth. If nothing else, it is a very cheap backup GPU. This would also be a good choice for some non-gaming PCs as well, depending on the needs of the user. For example, if you are building a PC for content creation, but you have a very tight budget.
Hoping Steve recovers back soon! These 3D-VCache could potentially help the next-gen APUs. Something like 2-4GB HBM VRAM stacked on the CPU for RX570 performance would be amazing.
Is this CPU a good option if I plan to pair it with an rtx3080 eventually to game at 4k? I don't expect to be able to get a gpu any time soon and I just want a desktop computer setup again for work as I've just moved overseas without my PC
Amd iGPUs are pretty impressive. The 4800H in my Laptop can run WoW and a bunch of other games on the iGPU without problem. It also has a 1660ti though, so it's not really that important, but it does help with battery life.
6 days late to this. but i gotten the 5700G and other use case for this and a valid point by me anyways. that those who have gpu's that are aging and are kinda fed up with prices and stock and kinda given up for now and want to have an apu as a back up replacement worrying if or when the aging gpu is likely to fail. i have a old 1080ti FE blower card been in high temps and use since release and i am concerned about the remaining life and getting a new gpu in this time and age put me off to point i am tired and no longer care to buy a new gpu for long time and this cpu makes sense in terms of still needing 8 cores and 16 threads. Edit: forgot to add. only if have a older cpu as well no igpu and upgrading to something like this would make more sense for the above stated purpose.
@@Dr.WhetFarts yep in that case the more simple Intel iGPUs are enough. Even a 10yo entry level gfx card could do the job. So the CPU perf reduction compared to the 5600xt isn't worthy.
If you're on a budget the 11400F and 10600KF are the best options right now. And if you're on an even tighter budget then 10105F and 10100F are good options. AMD hasn't got a competing CPU at these prices. The 3600 is overpriced everywhere and falls behind the others I mentioned above
@@hucklejoko4838 maybe for you. I know plenty of people personally who managed to get new gen cards by using stock alert discord servers and Twitter bots. I've seen literally several hundreds of successful orders over these past couple months alone in one of the stock alerts servers I'm in. If you put some effort in you can get a card for their actual price
These desktop APUs are actually not worth bothering at all even in this crazy GPU market. An old HD 7870 is still better than these iGPUs. These APUs are only useful for ITX form factor build with no intentions of ever getting discrete GPUs, the ASrock DeskMini X300/A300 series are great builds for office use and there this APU is prefect. But for a build with a Mobo support a PCIE slot of graphics you are going to save money on the CPU with a R5 5600X and a cheap 2nd hand GPU until the time is right for a proper GPU upgrade. If AMD wants to get serious about APUs put that V-Cache on the APU, that way there is no yield penalty of having costly IF cache like RDNA2 GPUs. It would still be worlds better than accessing DRAM over the fabric.
I have always used integrated graphics as a backup in case something happen to the dedicated one. I had been using a core i5 3330 for a long while and most of that time I used integrated graphics since a faulty PSU fried my 6750. This was until last year that I went for a Ryzen 5 2600. I've been wanting to get an APU but I didn't want to end up with a 3400g that is worse than my 2600 performance wise. I was awaiting for the next gen of integrated graphics, which I thought would finally use RDNA... Disappointingly, it never happened. It looks like I'll have to wait until ZEN 4 for that. At least right now I'm economically doing pretty well do getting a GPU if mine breaks won't be much of a problem, but time is. I live in a country where (even in normal times) you would get a 300USD card for about 550USD if you buy locally, do the solution is to always buy from other countries and wait weeks for the product to arrive.
It will be very exciting to see what performance APUs will achieve when they finally move over to RDNA 2 and get coupled with high speed DDR5. I just wish AMD took APUs more seriously for the PC markets rather than mainly for consoles. If AMD really wanted to, they could bring out an APU at the end of next year featuring Zen 4 + RDNA 3 + 3D Cache which would be an absolute monster, if they sold it as a BGA system with 32GB or 64GB of unified GDDR6 memory it would be incredibly popular for many different workloads. gamers, OEMs, case designs, etc.
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Off with the tash 😏 I bet when you lose that tash you will look 20 years younger Tim, you will be getting id checked to get a beer 🤣
Benching 400 pounds........You mean your going to the UK and were at the Bureau De Change and fell over while leaving with £400 in cash....hahahahahaha
Ettore Bugatti
If the mustache is gone i will not be able to recognize your videos anymore! Stop trolling us again.
Steve has an accident and hurts his back while benching 400 pounds. Hardware Unboxed starts raising founds for mental health . Hmm
Good job Tim. I’ll have to be careful with the bench press in future :D
In all seriousness I actually hurt my back while building a new deck, it wasn’t any one thing though, just days of being hunched over on the deck took its toll and I should have just stopped and rested up.
I have a bad back from my sporting days (muscle stress) which I normally manage well but pushed too hard for too long this time in an effort to make the most of a good weather window.
Anyway, the good news is I have found an amazing physio who has worked wonders for my back, hips and neck (basically my entire body was out of whack and past therapy wasn’t as good). Feeling much better now and will be back making videos later this week.
And yes I will take it easy for a bit :D Thanks guys.
Get well Steve!
Hope for good health to you steve :3
Get well soon old man. 😂
I wish you a speedy recovery :)
Rest well!
I haven't heard of this "400 pounds" software before but I'm glad Steve is benchmarking it. Very sorry to hear he injured himself doing so.
he was benchmarking so hard, injured himself lmao
Good one ：D
Steve injured himself by overclocking his refresh rate to 400hz.
He tried overclocking his back but he didn't have adequate power delivery
Sounds like a power delivery issue.
Ouch that really Hz...
@@yogalD yessssss, ty for that laugh.
The fact they are still able to get RX550 performance out of a vega based iGPU still blows my mind
Just imagine how good it would have been if it used rdna 2. Maybe 1050ti performance?
@@yanuehara8017 hopefully... APUs could really step up and fill a whole in the low end GPU market...
@@William-Morey-Baker yeah. I'm quite disappointed at amd for launching these apus without rdna 2. They would be the best ever apus for laptops
@@yanuehara8017 According to rumors AMD's next APUs will have RDNA graphics. See GN's most recent news video
@@Eidolon2003 watching rn. Thx for the info.
It's a little disappointing that we're still throwing AAA game after AAA game at the integrated graphics of APUs. That you need a discrete GPU to play demanding games is hardly a revelation at this point, and it's pretty well known that those aren't the games most people interested in these things plan on playing with them. It would be much more interesting to see what you CAN do with them than what you can't. It might've also been worth noting that, for the niche of gamers that are APU and Low Spec Gaming enthusiasts, these APUs mark a significant milestone in the development of the technology. For the first time the saying "any discrete GPU is better", which had been true forever, no longer necessarily holds up. APUs can go toe to toe with cards like the GT 1030, RX 550, and their even crappier predecessors, changing the value proposition for pairing them with a low end CPU, particularly for those with a strong aversion to buying second hand. Apart from those gripes, however, this was a great review as always. Thank you!
True. I'm so glad I didn't risk a GPU on this market since 3400g runs so well with esports titles and that's all I ever play anyway
Agreed
I got lucky I bought my GPU before prices jumped during COVID, but honestly using an APU like this would have been a good option. I would get a 1440p screen so text during day to day usage wouldn't look blurry, and I could game higher demanding games at 720p which is half of 1440p so it wouldn't look as blurry as expected.
Considering it goes toe to toe with GT 1030, one could summize that it's worth comparing it to the budget king, GTX 750ti.
In such regard, it could almost be on par with pricing for the full builds and it's far more modern and future proof.
I mean... how much would a 5600g build cost vs an i5-2xxx/4xxx + GTX750ti?
And what is the performance difference?
And what is the future potential?
Also people shouldn't forget about the tremendous backlog of steam games that this chip is totally capable of. I've been using covid to catch up on lots of old school games.
True not all of us want to play only recent titles. Many of these reviewers cannot seem to understand that. Hooking this up to a 720p tv gives it even more longevity.
@Hanseul Choi Depends where you live. Where I live most tv's are 720p there are 1080 also available and even 4k but they are very expensive. It's necessary to think globally when discussing this matter.Hardware is cheap in the US but not in other places.
I upgraded my 3200g I sold the 3200g to a client that needed a new PC for their business, and the 3200g was overpowered for what they wanted to even use it for. I took my gpu out, and built a 5600g. I guarantee there will be someone else that will want me to build them a PC for their business and ill probably sell that, remove the gpu and rinse and repeat. The integrated gpu has SAVED me. The integrated gpu of the 3200g allowed me to resell my budget gaming pc to business / office users where as if I got a cpu without integrated, I would of definitely had to find a cheap gpu to put in. I'm glad the G series cpus exist and I hope they never stop making great integrated. This solid integrated also saved me during the gpu crisis, and seems to be very resellable as retired gaming pcs to office / productivity users. I used to wait years to sell one of my pcs and It would be a glorified office spec pc by the time I was done with it as only gamers would buy them, but now the market has really opened up resale value to regular non gamers as once were done or if we see a chance at upgrading we dont have to donate our gpu with it. I most certainly was not going to put an old glitchy gtx 560 inside it haha. Man AMD needs to keep coming with these.
Thanks for your comment, it is helping me to decide. I think I'm going with the 5700G. :)
I knew Steve would hurt himself with all them dewalt tools 🤔😢hope he gets better soon 👍
It's been hurting not being able to play with them for the past 4 days.
@@Hardwareunboxed bet his got a armed guard watching over his collection while he laid up 😏
@@Hardwareunboxed if you benched Hilti tools you wouldn't have hurt yourself. They are very safe 😜
Get well soon!
What I want to know is how many batteries he has for them.
Thanks for the review! Please consider running gaming benchmarks at 720p when reviewing iGPU, laptops, and similar low power components. Many of the frame rates were hovering around the mid 20's, which is tantalizingly close to 30. Lowering the resolution could allow playable framerates for budget gamers. I'd much rather play a game at 720 than not play at all.
Basically most igpu really ran at 900p for the high powered igpu models like this, while everything else is usually 720p or lower for good framerates. Igpu gaming carries lower expectations and usually resolution is the first thing to go.
Yes I have seen that there are a lot of used 1600x900 LCD screens out there, that would be an interesting test as well and you're not too far away from 1080p to begin with.
@@lonholmberg8776 i have one, a 5:4 display. I also have a 165hz msi optic, but the 900+p screen is not bad
Basically, Steve overclocked himself and overheat himself..
It's winter in the upside down Britain
Aw man, poor Steve. Hope he gets better soon, but at least he has a professional like you to fill in for him 🙂
Both of you have a very unique and charming way of talking, investigating and storytelling. Keep up the good work!
It seems to be a common Australian trait. I follow 4 Aussie channels in total, 3 car related and 1 computer related, because they're all really good at pacing, clear pronunciation and creating compelling narratives. Australian English is also easy for me to understand. It's "not too British and not too American".
@@andersjjensen if you guys are referring to hardware unboxed in particular (i don't know what other channels you're talking about), the way they speak in their videos is a very common presenter style. somewhere between normal speech and the news voice here. i don't think it's too different from other professional review channels or essay video channels on youtube tho, including non-australian ones. the accent is pretty normal too
i bought the R5 5600g brand new for 150 USD here in the Philippines january of 2023, and a second hand 3060ti (mined) for 220 USD, and i think for that price this cpu is REAAALLY good.
i5 10400f+GTX 1060 3GB (used ) is for $336 where I live
5600G with Vega Graphics (New) is for $292 where I live
That used GPU comes with no warranty.
The difference is $44 with the potential of GPU dying.
That Fps looks great but there is a risk attached to it. Good review.
Also, the likelihood of CPU prices decrease is far more so the difference will go from $44 to $90+ in a matter of months.
The next gen APUs are shaping up to be impressive, both in the Steam Deck and desktop/laptops.
If you use them properly they're a great technology.
When I finished warcraft 3 back in the day my Pentium 3 integrated graphics was good for about 6fps.
I frequently had to play games bellow 20fpa during my gaming days because I could never afford anything better.
30fps is stupendous
this is the CPU I went with. Got it on sale for $221.00 in Dec. '21 really glad I went with the hex-core version, future proofed my system.... for now....
Hoping for a speedy recovery for Steve. ☺
Wishing you a speedy recovery, Steve!
Thanks for the video!
got the 5600g for 130CAD when amazon was doing some price adjustments, good deal
Outside of this gpu drought I really don't see any point for buying these. Maybe if they were a bit cheaper.
it depends on pricing on your region. for me buying 5600G will be much cheaper than an intel CPU + old GPU. because intel CPUs costs more here, and used GPU market is a joke since people are selling old GPUs near their launch MSRP even in normal time
@@katech6020 I mean yeah if you don't have any old hardware sure it is a nice deal but how many people don't have any gpu whatsoever? From what I can tell most people do already have old gpus whether they are just couple of years old or couple of generations old. I think if these apus provided about the same performance to their x versions while costing just a bit more or AMD released regular 5600/5700 with similar performances to these apus while costing a little less might have been a better idea.
I'm building my first ever pc so i dont have any old gpus lying around and even the second hand GPUs are over the msrp. So for me the 5700G makes a lot of sense as a stop gap. Im planning to buy it on the release date i cant wait to start building!
@@burakkose481 I never had a dGPU I only have a low end laptop currently (i5-6200U + Intel HD 520)
@@burakkose481 plenty of people don't have any gpu, or its old af (worse than the apu) or maybe its defect.
Also point of apu is that it does not need external power, can fit in super tiny case, and is silent without extra cost
Such an old igpu architecture but still competes/beats the competition. Can't wait to see how rdna 1/2 in apu with ddr5 does. Consoles are somewhat of a example and even more so will be the steam deck. Also has quad channel with ddr5 so how much that memory speed benefits apu will be neat in testing. So excited.
The consoles are not an example, as they use GDDR for system memory, instead of using DDR for graphics memory :P
Also: I hate to say this, but factoring in the cost of a 4 stick memory kit (and the need for the consumer desktop platform to be quad channel in general - which is currently reserved for Threadripper) makes for the same old sad story that has always surrounded APUs: It's just not worth it. The extra expense of the base platform + the price tag of a memory kit that can kick some ass = more expensive than an entry level dGPU which is going to be faster anyway.
Until AMD decides to put an HBM stack on the APU package it will never be what people dream of. The latency and lack of bandwidth from DDR makes it a non starter.
I've seen this "dream" pop up prior to every DDR generation change. But since sub-$300 GPUs seems to be a thing of the past and AMD seems to be pushing hard in die stacking then maybe, just maybe, they'll find a way to get 8GB HBM, 16-20CUs and 4-6 cores into a 200W package at $400
@@andersjjensen Try reading next time. I said somewhat of an example because they had many many similarities, more than any other chip. Don't be a tool.
Caught the 5600G on sale from Amazon for $239 USD. Going to install it in a Cooler Master NR200 build.
Honestly, it's a mistake to insist on using 1080P on iGPU, it's a product focused on 720/900P
I agree that's why I also watch randomgaminghd as he stresses older hardware with newer games and even in 720p gets really good performance...I grew up in the era of atari and so on so when I hear someone say it's almost unplayable at 25 to 30fps it makes me think how privileged the younger generation is.
@@michaelwood9866 ok boomer
@matej nemec wth are you even referring to? He is saying the word "privileged" with reference to how much technology has improved and how no one plays at 30fps in 2021 no matter who you are. So, to recap, kids in 2021 are so privileged to play all games at higher framerates because the state of technology supports it. Only your sorry self took in offensively. GD immature troll.
@@michaelwood9866 important to remember the display technology for most people is a crappy LCD that's still worse for gaming than crt
your atari programmers were crazy skilled.
To the op, I think its a product focusing on small die space. If you can squeeze 1080p out of it or if you're limited to 720p just depends on the game you play and personal preference. I personally would play most games I play at 1080p45 vs 720p80 any day. My $0.02
I built a system around this apu and it is really performing well in both games and work apps. Of course with newer games you can't expect to play it highly but I can play world war z 1080p med settings w/ 75 fps lock and nba 2k22 med-high settings at 60 fps lock. You can get it now for a very low price. It is also power efficient.
I built two file servers with 5600G chips. at around $130 a piece during the Christmas sales, it was the better bang for the buck when compared to the 5700G for around $180. The IGP saved one PCI-E slot, allowing slot #1 to hold a RAID controller and slot #2 for the 10Gbe card, each at 8x.
Wishing a quick yet relaxing recovery, Steve. Not sure how healing works in the upside-down though............
I think i am going to go for the 5600G for my proxmox machine (currently 2600X), I will be able to remove the GT 1030, which frees up another valuable cpu routed PCIE slot for an extra AHCI card (need to use these as onboard dont have own IOMMU group). Also I dont run in XFR mode for the efficiency, and this high 3.9ghz base clock will work well for me as well.
Speedy recovery, Steve.
The one thing I would say as a computer builder down in Florida is that I would use this APU as a stopgap and build an amazing rig around it. My customer would have the option of adding a GPU later and get ryzen 5 3600 performance with his new GPU combination and then later on upgrade to a true 5000 series to get the rest of his performance. Then resell this APU and still get the majority of his money back on it. That's something that I have not seen really mentioned in the majority of reviews I've watched. I agree that the 5700 g is not necessarily a great bang for the buck. I'm trying to see how that Apu would fit with my customer base. But the 5600 g definitely would work and I would love to test it with higher end memory such as that Patriot kit that's supposedly runs at 4400 MHz and see if that would improve a few performance as well as be a great kit for a normal 5600x or better CPU. That is a consideration that has not been looked at is if you're building a system as a stopgap why not get the best memory you could get? It's going to benefit your later generation CPUs anyways. Any thoughts?
I've always been an APU fan. My 1st one was the A10-7850. I built a pair of 3400G's (one for my mum, other for a friend) and they were PERFECT for that person wanting an everyday browsing PC with the ability to play Facebook games without any grief. The 5600G/5700G will follow those same lines, so don't expect to be running 240fps on a AAA title, but Bejeweled Blitz runs a dream. 😁👍
I haven't heard of bejewel in a long time cubics was also my thing
the moment APUs will hit the power of low end dGPUs (levels of GTX/RTX xx50 or RX x500) many people will not look into dGPUs at all
@Can't Remember Won't DDR5 system RAM help narrow the gap a little bit?
The 3400g pc I built for my mom even handled gtav on low when I went to stay with her for a bit a few weeks back.
@@twistednemo just for few years before VRAM chips based on DDR5 will replace GDDR6 on graphics cards.
And for what gain? Now it's only on par with RX550 which is the Polaris entry level card already weaker than the previous R7 260x and way more weak than a RX460.
Actually it's only barely interesting because the market is abnormally high priced. And it highly depends on the local state of the used market.
Get well soon, Steve. We need your content. You did a great job here, Tim!
Get well Soon, Steve!!
Using those dewalt tools from his shed.. LOL
On a serious note, you are the 1st honest reviewer that does not automatically jump onto the Min 60FPS rate. With 40-45 av FPS is where you can enjoy most of the games out there esp in the single-player mode. Well done on being honest on that part where most others jump onto 60 FPS bandwagon.
On the GPU side, please bear in mind that the 1060 3Gb is still quite an exe card on the 2nd hand market. With sellers looking at approx 200-250 AUD (150+ USD).
Overall a good test.
It would have been nice to see the idle consumption though, as that is the state my PC spends most time in.
I'm also curious how it works with a AMD GPU, as it comes with 16pcie lanes.
But my main interest is the performance as apu. So the test did show that well.
I'm currently looking to upgrade an old system with an i7-4790 and saw a nice 5600G on the used market. Thank you for the video, I wasn't sure how this would perform, now I know it's a good upgrade! Should give me a nice upgrade path too with higher end AM4 chips down the line.
Some say that Tim would have done this fund raiser earlier but zoologists needed more time training the moustache to survive on it's own in the wild.
I would also point out that this is basically a 3600 with a G attached to it in performance. If you are NOT wanting to build a intel i5/GT x 1060 3gb build because you want an AMD upgrade path thus still makes a lot of sense. Really impressed with this 5600g...:)
The fact that it can perform similarly to any kind of discrete graphics card is amazing to me, the RX 550 is a whole addon component while the iGPU is literally a PORTION of a CPU. Its exciting to imagine what iGPUs will be like in the future. Also, when you take into account that the iGPU here performs as well as flagship GPUs from about 15 years ago, it really puts into prospective how much graphics hardware technology has progressed, theyve managed to fit all that into a CPU package. Maybe 15 years from now, iGPUs will perform similarly to an RTX 3090.
"he injured himself while benching 400pounds"
Never heard o that game, we told Steve all those benchmarking sessions were dangerous and will take a toll on his dad bod
Hey Steve, _DeWalt Sucks, Ryobi Rules!_ .. .. .. Cheers from Alaska, get well soon.
(if I didn't kick ya while ur down, you might think I don't like ya)
Tim, awesome what you're doing with the gofundme. The stigma still being associated with mental health problems needs to change. As someone who has a few _problems_ of my own, I really respect your choice for this fundraiser. Thank you.
Love your review. Upgraded to a 5600G since mid Sep and loving it. While not a beast of a GPU, it's good enough at mid quality 1080p for most games.
Poor Steve, I hope he gets better soon! Awesome review done by both of you! :) One thing that could be worth looking into is iGPU performance in Linux. On my laptop I generally get better performance during memory bandwidth constrained scenarios in Linux since Proton and DXVK (DirectX translation layer to Vulkan) doesn't need the CPU to prepare draw calls for the GPU in the same manner as OpenGL and DX9-DX11. However, this is on a 15W TDP Ryzen 2500U.... generally Windows performance is better in 1080p. But during weird non-CPU and -GPU bottlenecks (like in 720p) I can actually easily reach 60+fps when windows really can't reach 60fps no matter how low the resolution is.
Steve got hurt when he tried to lift 5600g performance to our expectations 🤣 but I will be buying it anyway as a stopgap to this GPU mayhem 🤣
Get well Steve !!!
Have fun! I had to do similar with a 3400G last autumn, in reality I found it more capable than I expected.
You just have no hope with the gfx intensive games featured in benchmarks.
Adding a GPU it runs pretty well, am holding off in finishing the system with a 5600X
Performance seems pretty good. Not everyone wants to use this as a gaming CPU.
Great job stepping in Tim. Hoping for a fast recovery for Steve!
Wish quick recovery. We love you Steve.
Wishing Steve a very speedy recovery. I know about back problems and it can be total agony. Get well soon! 😊
Tim and Steve, my favorite straight couple online :)
Is Tim straight? I heard of Steve having a wife and kids but not Tim
@@Supcharged What, he has a boyfriend instead? Since when is not having a wife and kids automatically an indicator for someone being gay, lol? Not saying Tim isn't gay. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Just saying, just because a guy isn't married doesn't mean he is gay.
@@Oozaru85 it doesn’t. That’s why I even asked.
@@Supcharged You'll have to ask Tim directly then. As far as I remember he never came out as gay or anything. Tho I have to admit, with this Freddy Mercury mustache he does look gay indeed.
@@Supcharged
He has a girlfriend. He mentioned it once.
I think the G chips are better because of the graphics. You can still get video out if your GPU fails for any reason. If you want to upgrade your GPU you can sell your current GPU then get a new GPU and use integrated while you wait ! Thanks for the video
Nothing more frustrating than a system that lacks a redundant Video out, just to save a buck.
Great job Tim.
We still enjoy the blue bar graphs.
Wishing Steve a quick recovery.
Been running a 5600G with an RX6600 for a year, now. Great for a 1080p TV. 👍Yes I still use the IGPU, I am running 2 monitors.
Thanks looking at the 5600G for my budget build. I do not plan on adding a separate video card.
The reality, Steve has been arrested for leaving his house to buy a steaks for a barbecue.
> Stakes
Just want to say that here I am, 10 months later using my 5600G to run games like GTA V on medium (50-60 FPS), Batman Arkham City on midium High at 40-66 FPS) NFS at 30fps on medium (with a little bit of turning down the settings) life is strange at higher on 50-60 FPS and so on, my whole setup is about U$600, só for me is well worth, especially living in Brazil where everything is 60% higher priced.
In fact, I'd never thought to be able to afford this setup last year, but here am I :)
By the way, when I mean the whole setup, I mean everything, from the crappy mouse keyboard combo to monitor (an old smart TV) lol.
Hope Steve feels better soon! I also have a bad back. I am also getting older and creakier. Thanks for THIS review! Some light gaming on my 'daily driver' .. ? Prices look good on the 5600G!
Get well soon Steve!
I hope Steve gets better soon, I suffered a back accident in an RTA & it will always hurt, also good luck with the fund raising I lost my Nan to dementia & my Great Aunt had Depression its a worthwhile cause mental illness is either stigmatised or not taken as seriously and treated as say losing/lacking a limb.
So, I would think these APUs could be good at desktop apps at 1440p then gaming at 720p.
Would make a fantastic HTPC with a passive cooler - my TV isn't even 1080p, so I could play just about anything on it!
plenty games work fine on 1080p too. Especially with fsr :)
@@jakethadley Don't have a > 1080 display huh? With all the tech that Steam is building it might be worth squeezing a little space from your hard disk and giving PopOS or FerrenOS a go. Hell, try Manjaro if your brave enough. Steam works brilliantly on Linux and most option support 720p WAY better then windows.
@Eric will be more every week, since its open source. Already multiple old games have gotten support unofficially from modders. Anyways besides the point, its good without fsr too for most games.
@Eric well with "good" I ment 'ok' but I also forgot that it uses vega 7 and not vega 8 or 11. I mean I thought it's igpu was better than for example 3400g.
Anyways, hopefully 6000 series apus will be plenty better, with rdna2 igpu
Great tests, but ram frequency is not shown. Ryzen APUs can give a significabtly different output between e.g. 3000mhz ram vs 4400mhz. Also, having data for an oc 5600g means it’s fair to overclock the 5700g too.
Omg, get well soon Steve. I literally sprained my back last week. Sharp shooting pain still wrecking me now, wouldn't wish it on anyone 😭
The 5700G is the best CPU for a Looking Glass compact build. 4 cores virtualize a Windows gaming machine and 4 more for Linux. Then a real GPU like a 6800 XT sits as the Windows gaming GPU - and should you want to, the VM can be off and both the 6800 XT and 5700G can be dedicated for gaming on Linux.
But, yes, it's a niche within a niche usecase, for sure.
I'm certain you'd get away with two cores for the Linux host also.
My 2700X with its 5700 and 1070 was built for that purpose but fiddling around with the config after installing the 1070 and removing a SSD made me lose interest in even using that PC outside of VR.
Steve, love your reviews hope you are healthy, well and I wish you a fast recovery 🙏🙂
It will be interesting to see what AMD does with RDNA 2, supposedly all Zen 4 CPUs will have RDNA 2 cores in them just like all of Intel CPUs have iGPUs. How powerful these will be I have no idea but a much larger 3D cache plus DDR5 should help them a lot.
Im so looking forward to seeing a rdna 2 apu with on package hbm
It would be amazing to have a system with just one heat source. Just put a good AIO on it and off you go. Compact silent system
In the 5700G review they said they won't be doing 5600G.
Owh how the turn tables.
they found one in the trashbin.
They probably didn't expect it to be a full $100 cheaper... HUB is very value oriented, so if the value proposition changes things may pique their interest.
Really enjoyed your way of saying all this stuff (I guess?). Looking forward to the next benchmarking vid from Tim
Could someone explain to me why the 5600g is so much slower than the 5600x even though it only has a 200mhz drop in frequency or does the L3 cache matter that much?
l3 cache
Get well Steve! I've blown my back out several times so far, and I understand what you're going through. For people who haven't, imagine what it feels like to hit your funny bone, now imagine what that'd feel like in your back, 24/7 anytime you breath wrong. You learn to appreciate just being able to wipe your bum, without excruciating pain.
A market for these apus is the hdmi 2.1
Considering how expensive the 30 series and 6000 series are, you'd enable HFR 4K HDR on a 1080 ti or 2080 ti assuming that works.
On FSR supported games this could be a great experience.
I don't know if VRR works with these APUs and if that works while using a dGPU to process.
I think that's something you need to consider in your review, especially an 8 core APU for gaming. You really don't need 8 cores to game on if you're not using a dGPU
Tim you did good, and I wish Steve a speedy recovery.
I totally agree with your final thoughts. I would still go for a 10th gen Intel i5 with my current GPU before this 5600G.
Recover soon buddy. Steve is a beast.
Indeed, rather than spending extra for an onboard cpu if the plan is to upgrade to a discrete card later, I would much rather recommend a 10400f with a used 970 card. It's old enough that the used prices aren't too bad, and it still offers decent 1080p gaming performance.
Nice work Tim, get well soon Steve
Tim throwing a little shade at monitor Steve there at the beginning.
So much excitement over what is barely better than "on board video". I'll be sticking with my gtx970 until sanity in the GPU market returns.
Good video Tim and Steve. Get well soon Steve
Hi Tim great review as always but why does the Task Manager report that the CPU is a 5600H at the 5:44 timestamp?
Most likely because they usually show just an example of the software beeing benchmarked in that corner image, not the actual benchmark footage.
I think the 5600G & 5700G needs a re-hash. Now with AM5 introduced, and Value has changed, as you can now get, the 5600G for under $130, and the 5700G for $199.
I wonder if recommendations would change, for those who decide to stick with the AMD platform while keeping the price closer to Earths orbit?
I also think the price and value gap, of the 5600g vs 5600x, is interesting. It seems worth it, to consider the G model, even if the Integrated Graphics aren't to be used. If I were spending the extra cash for the X model, I would seriously consider jumping up to the Ryzen 7.
Phew! That's a great tache, glad it grew back so quickly
Good review. Just bought one to run in my next passive cooled HTPC, in a Streacom FC10. It'll replace a i5 4250U so expect quite the boost in power :-D
Nice video. It's crazy times we are in right now.
I have a Ryzen 7 1700+GTX 1070, I can upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600G, then later add a RTX 3060, or RX 6600XT, when prices come down.
Will that be alright?
if you already have a gpu, then you should just grab a ryzen 5 5600x since your gtx 1070 will beat out anything the 5600g can offer.
If you didnt have a gpu though, then I would say the 5600g is a great option while you wait for the prices to drop.
@@runterranger7398 Hm, hearing this advice, I think I will just hold onto my 1700 & 1070 for a longer time, till the chip shortages are sorted out. Or hope cryptos will burst.
The 5700G is to what would have been a 5700X performance as the 5600G is to the 5600X, its just there is no 5700X, comparing it to a 5800X is a bit of a non surprise when it will underperform as its already going to be slower than what would have been the X version in the same tier, but is absolutely going to be way slower than the X of the next tier up, and lets be honest, the iGPU performance is better than the 7000 series IGPUs and better than anything on the X or non x non igpu, so its a bit of give and take, pricing aside.
Speaking of pricing, 1 year on and these are a hell of a lot cheaper and so much better bang for the buck they can be picked up here int he UK for between £75-£100 for the 5600G and £100-£150 for the 5700G new, so both great for mini ITX HTPC light gaming/retro gaming PCs. Considering they were near 1:1 USD$ to GBP£ back at launch, that's a nice drop for what you get.
This is currently the best option for gaming on a low-budget. The CPU is actually quite good. You're paying very, very little for the GPU if you consider how much the CPU by itself is worth. If nothing else, it is a very cheap backup GPU. This would also be a good choice for some non-gaming PCs as well, depending on the needs of the user. For example, if you are building a PC for content creation, but you have a very tight budget.
Now I’m waiting for Steve’s monitor reviews. Hope you get well soon, Steve!
Will need DDR5 with RDNA graphics to see decent APU boosts
Hoping Steve recovers back soon!
These 3D-VCache could potentially help the next-gen APUs. Something like 2-4GB HBM VRAM stacked on the CPU for RX570 performance would be amazing.
Is this CPU a good option if I plan to pair it with an rtx3080 eventually to game at 4k? I don't expect to be able to get a gpu any time soon and I just want a desktop computer setup again for work as I've just moved overseas without my PC
Sorry to hear that, I guess the work on shed got to you, but get well soon Steve
Amd iGPUs are pretty impressive.
The 4800H in my Laptop can run WoW and a bunch of other games on the iGPU without problem. It also has a 1660ti though, so it's not really that important, but it does help with battery life.
6 days late to this. but i gotten the 5700G and other use case for this and a valid point by me anyways. that those who have gpu's that are aging and are kinda fed up with prices and stock and kinda given up for now and want to have an apu as a back up replacement worrying if or when the aging gpu is likely to fail. i have a old 1080ti FE blower card been in high temps and use since release and i am concerned about the remaining life and getting a new gpu in this time and age put me off to point i am tired and no longer care to buy a new gpu for long time and this cpu makes sense in terms of still needing 8 cores and 16 threads. Edit: forgot to add. only if have a older cpu as well no igpu and upgrading to something like this would make more sense for the above stated purpose.
Feel better soon Steve! Thankfully Tim is here to fill in with the 'stache 😉
Productivity first. As a non-gamer, this is the kind of reviews I am interested in.
As a non-gamer even the cpu part is crap.
@@Dr.WhetFarts yep in that case the more simple Intel iGPUs are enough. Even a 10yo entry level gfx card could do the job. So the CPU perf reduction compared to the 5600xt isn't worthy.
Great Stuff as always Tim!
If you're on a budget the 11400F and 10600KF are the best options right now. And if you're on an even tighter budget then 10105F and 10100F are good options. AMD hasn't got a competing CPU at these prices. The 3600 is overpriced everywhere and falls behind the others I mentioned above
You missed the point where a GPU is nonexistent right now
Guess he meant if you are on a budget with existing GPU 🤣 cuz othervise buying it makes sense 🤣
@@hucklejoko4838 maybe for you. I know plenty of people personally who managed to get new gen cards by using stock alert discord servers and Twitter bots. I've seen literally several hundreds of successful orders over these past couple months alone in one of the stock alerts servers I'm in. If you put some effort in you can get a card for their actual price
These desktop APUs are actually not worth bothering at all even in this crazy GPU market. An old HD 7870 is still better than these iGPUs. These APUs are only useful for ITX form factor build with no intentions of ever getting discrete GPUs, the ASrock DeskMini X300/A300 series are great builds for office use and there this APU is prefect. But for a build with a Mobo support a PCIE slot of graphics you are going to save money on the CPU with a R5 5600X and a cheap 2nd hand GPU until the time is right for a proper GPU upgrade. If AMD wants to get serious about APUs put that V-Cache on the APU, that way there is no yield penalty of having costly IF cache like RDNA2 GPUs. It would still be worlds better than accessing DRAM over the fabric.
I have always used integrated graphics as a backup in case something happen to the dedicated one.
I had been using a core i5 3330 for a long while and most of that time I used integrated graphics since a faulty PSU fried my 6750. This was until last year that I went for a Ryzen 5 2600. I've been wanting to get an APU but I didn't want to end up with a 3400g that is worse than my 2600 performance wise.
I was awaiting for the next gen of integrated graphics, which I thought would finally use RDNA... Disappointingly, it never happened.
It looks like I'll have to wait until ZEN 4 for that. At least right now I'm economically doing pretty well do getting a GPU if mine breaks won't be much of a problem, but time is. I live in a country where (even in normal times) you would get a 300USD card for about 550USD if you buy locally, do the solution is to always buy from other countries and wait weeks for the product to arrive.
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It will be very exciting to see what performance APUs will achieve when they finally move over to RDNA 2 and get coupled with high speed DDR5.
I just wish AMD took APUs more seriously for the PC markets rather than mainly for consoles. If AMD really wanted to, they could bring out an APU at the end of next year featuring Zen 4 + RDNA 3 + 3D Cache which would be an absolute monster, if they sold it as a BGA system with 32GB or 64GB of unified GDDR6 memory it would be incredibly popular for many different workloads. gamers, OEMs, case designs, etc.