i doubt this will happen, in fact 3600 is going up in price like crazy this month it went up by 40 euro where i live , but we can always dream i suppose
All in one place with great summary! Best comparison out there! Do you think that the same configuration with 3070 would make a difference? I would like to see a cheaper card in this comparison.
@@DJAPE-vq5jw Most of those games are ONLY 60hertz/frame, I recently played syndicate there's like 5 graphical options which non- are graphical options.. Also just because you have a new or powerful system doesn't mean it'll beast any game, OLD games build on OLD hardware perform WORSE or not at all. such as Diablo 2. direct draw ... pixel shading tech. adobe... shit that simply don't exist anymore which means its a function the CPU/GPU does not have and can not perform.
I have seen cases if people running 4k on a modern gpu with an ancient fx8350 processor and only seeing like a 10fps difference between that and zen 1. So yeah if 4k gaming cpu really doesnt matter much.
Thanks a ton for including the percentage difference graphs after all the tests! Gives a nice summation and overview afterwards. Otherwise you have to hold too many numbers and the general impression is more skewed
If you're poor you should have way bigger worries than what CPU you'll be gaming on lol. I only got into this pc build / gaming world after I started making decent bank, it would have been way too frustrating otherwise. Window shopping is trash.
@@br3ak_ exactly and every week/month/paycheck that passes and the 1-200$ put aside from said pay....puts you that much better a step up with GPU cpu mobo etc....ssd options. With each month an ideal PC build gets that much better as far as purchasing power....so patience becomes a learned skill....and by the time you get 3000$ for a maxed out pc capable of 60fps 4k or etc.....you realize a month later and you can have a motorcycle or a used truck etc.....vs sitting at home on pc...you can be ridin or offroading or etc....a few months to a year later....thats a solid down payment for new car....ppl that "want" things ought to plan a stringent spending plan and a savings plan....its more ideal and rewarding....being able to track the progress of what you can buy...and what you could have bought as a motivating factor....then we have the "excuse" xyz kiddos that if they live in the states really have no excuse
@@ThunderBlastvideo depends, if you are planning to play at 2k changing your cpu is absolutly usless, but if you are still playing at 1080p is worth the upgrade.
@@x1c3x I swear buying gaming laptops with mid range graphic cards in them is the way to go, I hook mine to an external high refresh rate monitor and a kb&m and it's pretty much the desktop experience.
between that and an ideal panel/monitor for said usecase or build. I find the 240hz-360hz FHD realm to be dependent on CPU performance among GPU pairings. Same to anyone with hopes of running g-sync with 1440p....or even a 240hz samsung odyssey monitor. I feel most of those "concepts" to be logically contingent. also if youre going to be OC the cpu vs running stock...the voltage degredation/creep is that much more of an apparent issue with the 3700x...and equates to 1.4v+ usecase and the typical eventuality of system failure or ram failure etc. From running at 1.4v+
which is largely a pain and can take weeks+ time to dial in ideally. had this issue with an ITX power build.....the 32gb duel rank kit just wouldnt listen/run how i wanted with pbo. Turns out the shite AF psu included 650w "gold" with my inwin a1+ chassis....was the culprit. Terrible ripple and 300w only on the 12v rail. Paired with quality parts and manual OC...=LUL.
@Desktopia yep when i upped from 32 to 64(more or less a test the second kit is for another system) the 4 sticks being able to allocate across all the ram as stable as possible was some great 1% low yields. Most ive even seen utilized is like 24gb.
@Desktopia noup tuned 2x8 will perform slighty better i have 4x8 and i sitll use 2x8 due to reaching higher overclock and tighter timings 4x8 or 2x16 will only be better if u use memory on stock settings or xmp
dude I really appreciate it that you showed both 1440p and 4k in your results, I really missed those from the comparisons done by Harbor Unboxed and Tech Jesus!
To be fair, their focus isn't on should you upgrade but rather how much better is the cpu compared to last gen and competition. 1440p and 4k would have skewed the comparison and possibly sent out a wrong message. I'm grateful that we have such scientific channels and also ones like this channel that are more geared towards more real-life decision-making for people with budget.
Doesnt matter how much better it is if you cant see tangible gains. I play at 1440p so I dont understand why I would give one shit about 720p or 1080p results. All I care about is my own performance at my own settings.
@@rykehuss3435 Well then you'll be happy to know that there is a MINIMUM AVERAGE 15-20 fps increase @ 1440p (assuming not 21:9), over the 3600, assuming you have a GPU that can handle it.
@@rykehuss3435 The concept for how HUB and GN (and many other channels which perform these kinds of more analytical testing) do their testing (an aspect of their methodology, or testing philosophy if you will) is to use the results as a _proxy_ to work out the kind of performance improvements gen to gen, and architecture to architecture, and then encourage the viewers/readers to extrapolate as needed for their particular application. If you want to use the results directly, so you know what performance to expect, that's also a valid thing, but let's not pretend that HUB and GN's testing methodologies are somehow worthless, as they're far from it. They just have a different purpose, and that's fine. (this all being said, both HUB and GN _also_ perform the kind of testing you seem to want, at 1440p and 4K - it's just not part of their CPU reviews, due to the kind/style of reviews they do. They do sometimes do setting deep dives and optimisation guides, however, which are excellent, and I highly recommend them!)
@@tehJimmyy glad to be praised by someone! As a loser who’s been barely gaming on my poopoo laptop is now finally purchasing a $1400 pc. That is what years of work and dedication leads to
Launch prices, I expect the R5 5000 will either have a value skew or the 5600X will become cheaper with a faster "gamers" skew emphasising boost as production ramps.
Please always include the 4k cpu comparisons, I game at 4k and I like to see the 1% lows results as sometimes at 4k certain cpus help improve the gaming experience more than others even at 4k. Thanks for your work Jarrod!! Love from New York :)
exactly...nothing is more tilting than seeing complaints about 4k content....by non 4k gamers....they really dont know how much of a lack there is in 4k content and viable information towards how to make 4k gaming viable. The naysayers really dont do much but hurt the process. I recommend bang4buckpcgamer if you want to see some 10/10 4k content and insights on building a pc for 4k gaming or 4k gaming+recording/streaming. That dude is a str8 goat of 4k gaming atm
@@anhiirr i dumped my 1440p ultrawide for an LG CX OLED aboutbtwo months ago and I couldn't be happier. I just need to get my hands on a 3080 or 6800xt for their HDMI 2.1 ports so I can get rid of some chroma subsampling I have on text.
@@JonathanS89 literally same XD....i like the ultrawide for racing games most NGL....but i cant wait to get a 4k CX....from costco/kirkland most likely. G-sync on 4k oled seems like the best endgame for PC gaming ATM. Having fun playing godfall with my 5700XT free key....as i await cyberpunk on the 3070 FE....(returned 5700xt KEPT THE KEY XD).....the shadowlands DXR demo was such AMD payed sponsored content so LUL.....DLSS and RTX for cyberpunk 4k is the goal for how im gonna spend a chunk of 2021 While stepping up to a 6800xt/6900 or a 3080.....ideally the ampere card to run g-sync with the LG.
That would defeat the whole point because it would be GPU bound. This is comparing CPU so what is the logic in bottlenecking the CPU with a mid range GPU.
@@DavidPLopez real scenario or not, this is a cpu compairson, which cpu performs better, end of story. In order for an accurate comparison all other bottlenecks and external factors have to be eliminated. This shit is taught in highschool science did you not pass high school?
@@Andrew-xo6hl GPU performance do come into the equation when we are testing out 2 CPUs which are from different generations. Even a kindergarten kid would understand that newer generations have far more headroom in terms of bottleneck range when it comes to pairing them up with a flagship GPU from NVIDIA or AMD. You wouldn't pair up a 3600 with 4090 and compare it with a 5600X paired up with the same, there will be performance issues for sure with the 3600 build. So, in order to eliminate such differences in this video the person should've paired up both the CPUs with something like a 3060/3060ti or in a more extreme case a 3070 in order to draw out a fair comparison. Also to keep in mind, not a single guy with a 3090 would go for a 300$ CPU
Thanks for the video! I bought a Ryzen 3600 system this summer and wondered if it was worth upgrading to the 5600. I'm super happy with it's performance right now, maybe I'll upgrade next year if the price drops.
Thank you for including 4K gaming FPS results. I feel too much emphasis is given to 1080p gaming just because it shows more differences. This is an excellent comparison review!! At 4K, most games will care more about GPU than CPU unless you play Star Citizen like me where everything matters...
Would you recommend me, wait to the launch of the R5 5600 without X. I have read and heard that the launch price of the 5 5600 could be 220$. What do you think bro ?
Yeah, I'm guessing that AMD pushed the more expensive versions so that people would buy them sooner. Because they are defiantly going to release a 5600 and a 5700x sometime next year
Definitely wait, R5 5600 should be released shortly after Navi gpu, and i reckon the price would be ~$250.... Just be prepared for those scalpers b**s**d
Depends what's your current rig specs? If zen2+ 3000 series I'd skip the 5000 series if zen1 and< then get 5000 series it's the last for am4. X= overclocking vs non X= minimal overclocking. Prob just get non X if cheaper it's not worth it unless going to be heavy overclocking.
Only because it has 2 more cores. Gaming performance is literally the same. Some might argue that 8 core should be standard because of the new consoles but I think that’s bull.
3600X will not hit 100% in gaming even with a 2080ti. 3700X gives you that extra 33% but imo its overkill. you dont need more than 6 cores unless youre editing. Newer gen consoles on 8 cores are using mobile cpus with low clocks that are nowhere near the clocks that a 6 core desktop CPU hits. Even the 4 core 3300x is good to go until you go above the 2070 super. I have 3600X and 2080 super.
5600x is more future proof than a 3700x. Its also faster than it, in both gaming and workstation loads. Just because new consoles have 8 cores (which are very much weaker compared to PC cores because PC cases have actually good cooling in general) doesnt mean games will start "requiring" 8 cores. They wont. They will require fast single thread performance, now and forever. Since AI and physics have to be calculated on one core. So what ends up happening is that 1-2 cores will get hammered the hardest, and after about 8 threads everything else is just gravy. 4c/8t is good enough for years to come, as long as theyre fast. Like a 10300.
@@rykehuss3435 i dont agree with you bro. Look at Valhalla on a 4 core cpu. CPU usage went up to 95% at times and when the gameplay becomes hectic, it stutters. I can't tell you how much i hate micro-stutters, it feels awful. With an 8 core cpu, everything runs smooth. It just feels nicer. I think 5600x is a bad buy because some games are already using more than 6 cores with over 50% cpu usage. It's not just about the frame rate you know. It's about frame pacing. How smooth it feels. So, 4 core is dead, 6 core is entry level and 8 core 16threads is ideal. 10-12 cores are premium options.
If it's possible, a test with more mid range GPU should be done as they are more likely to be paired with a 3600/5600. The gap might shrink due to GPU bottleneck instead.
I would like to see these same two CPUs ran again and compared to the stock cooler (ran in a closed case like normal computers). I have a hard time understanding why we need to buy $50 aftermarket coolers on “mid-range” CPUs. For people who hate noise, I understand that justification. But $50 could instead be used for more cores, double the storage, a slightly faster GPU etc when we talk about $1000 builds. If you could run -some- of these tests again with these two chips with stock coolers, that would be appreciated.
This video really helped my decision (and the fact that my motherboard doesn't support 5000 series), I upgraded from a 1600x to a 3600 and I'm getting 25%+ better performance from just the cpu upgrade! Thank you for making this comparison video!
me to this day and despite being 2022 i'm still crazy to see the joys of this processor, i only have rtx 2060 super but before i had this processor i had ryzen 5 2600 and i saw a big difference for ryzen 5 5600x and fluidity and it should being from 7nm lithography to videos and movies so much better despite having the rtx 2060 super I saw a big difference...... I just don't understand the comments
Thank you for testing at higher resolutions. Makes me feel less panicked about waiting for a bios update to grab zen 3, since I have a 3440x1440 screen.
I was waiting for such a video! The 4k results were the interesting (for me) part. Knowing that there are almost the same is very good information. Thank you!
@@twitchie2245 3600 might drop to 150-180 or so in a few months, you'll be paying 60% more for 20% performance increase. And the 3600's performance was more than enough as is, it's not like it was running trash fps. 5600x doesn't make sense for most customers that actually care about their budget.
In other words, while the performance increase is great for a generation over generation improvement, it's pointless to upgrade from a 3600. These margins look good on paper but in practice they are not far enough apart to warrant spending money upgrading. If you are sporting a 1600/x then it's a great upgrade option. Pick it over a 3600 if building new so long as the price isn't too far apart. You need to bare in mind the market segment here, if you are not using a high end GPU you will not see these gains in gaming. Most people using the 3600 built a mid range/budget gaming system, choosing the 3600 over say a 3800x or faster so they could get a better GPU, likely something mid range like a GTX 1660Ti, RTX 2060 or RX 580/590, Rx 5600/5700 etc. Throw a 5600x in a system with any of these GPUs and while there may be some slight gains they will be insignificant when actually in use. Save a bit more money and upgrade your GPU and you will see larger, more noticeable gains, especially if you are on the lower end of the GPU spectrum currently, that is, if you even need an upgrade at all.
Exactly what I thought. I know you made this a year later. But, I still bought a Ryzen 5 3600 instead of a 5600x simply because I didn’t want to upgrade my motherboard (A320 I know very entry level and pretty much no OC). Very happy that my set-up is still very relevant regardless of the next lineup from AMD being here.
Broooo!!!! This channel is so fucking underappreciated considering the production quality, soothing ass sexy voice and value of information he is providing to the public. So why dafuq does this guy only have 250k subs?!?!?
I have actually upgraded from 1600 to 5600x - my old 1600 was @ 4GHz +RAM 3200Mhz for 3 years and I gotta tell you the upgrade was well worth it even tho I am still using 980ti while waiting for 6800XT . The difference is significant in 1% lows and even tho GPU is old RDR2/ACO/Witcher 3 FPS are far more smoother there is no comparison to 1600. UNIGINE Valley from something like 4000 points on (1080 extreme HD ) to 4400 points just by CPU change. 1600 would bottleneck any newer GPU like crazy thats for sure.
i find the 3700x to be inherently flawed due to its 65wtdp and inherenly high voltage required to clock above 4ghz. As far as that goes you may want to consider the 5600 launch in january...considering how damn hard its going to be to find a zen3 chip instock until then....IJS...then if you want to run that mobo for years longer...eventually get more cores...since the 5600 will be 220$...and offer zen3 performance in games vs zen2. IJS. Plus youl eventually upgrade from the 3700x for similar cicumstances/reasons. in 2022+ anyways.
Just btw ^^' Even if the 3700x had a better price/performance ratio (not sure if it has), the 5000 series in combination with the new 6000 graphics series has an additional performance boost with their smart memory access technology. (If you already had this in mind, then just ignore my comment :3)
yes definitely bro the Ryzen 5 3600 could easily handle the RTX 3080, and the performance difference between its higher sibling's like the R9 was similar, so yes you can pair the RTX 3060 with the R5 3600
been toying with thoughts on upgrading for some time now so this vid useful thanks Jarrod. I'm at 4k, 3080 (water cooled), 3600xt.....the only thing I'm thinking might sway me further is if Smart Access Memory/Resizable BAR will make a further difference on the 3.24% average difference you identify here. hoping you see this and you think a SAM video worth going for :)
Thank you! Really appreciate adding the 4K resolution to the comparison since it's mostly the resolution I play in and def need this video to be sure to save that extra cash going for the 3600 and a better GPU!
Difficult to at the moment get at better GPU than the 3090 that's in this test system. :) I was surprised to see that the difference between the CPUs were so small at 4K. I take it even having a 3090 is a bottleneck at such high resolution, or otherwise the difference should be bigger between the two CPUs, right?
I was a 3600 user just upgraded 2 days ago. Despite the usage/ value of 3600, my gaming experience on 5600x is outstanding. I see huge fps gain, pairing with my 3080. As a gamer, I see the fps gain is very convincing, its like I upgraded to a better gpu even though your pc specs stay the same.
Thank you for testing 4k. It’s what I play at on my 3080/3600 and it’s great! No need to upgrade unless a specific game I play at 1440p is 20-30% faster and above the critical 80fps. Cyberpunk might be one title worth upgrading for. I’m assuming I’ll be playing in 1440p (4k render) DLSS ray tracing.
Nice problem to have! I have had to build with a 3400G when it became clear Nvidia weren't delivering enough GPUs to cause knock on price cuts. SAM may become available on R7 3700, as resizeable BAR support is a PCIE feature not a CPU feature
The only reason the 5600x (GEN 3) looks amazing is because it's paired with a $1,500 dollar GPU. If you have anything less than a RTX 3080 - this will be a complete waste of money (unless you have an edge case for this CPU). A 3700x is about 5 to 10 FPS (maybe more or less in some games) and look at the 3600 in the video. Almost every game over 100 FPS and when you pair the 5600x with a lower tier GPU like RTX 3070 these CPU will be closer together in FPS than in this video. You're game might not be using all R7 cores for gaming, but your computer is. I owned an i5 6600K 4/4 and because I only had enough cores for gaming. I had to make sure windows update was not updating in the background and I had to make sure I closed out all my programs (or I would get frame stutters). You down grade to 6/16 CPU. You are putting yourself closer to game requirements and you'll have to start doing the same thing in a year or two. I have 3700x and I have discord open, chrome open (and maybe a RUclips video, or music app open) and could have windows update in the background. And I just launch my game without having to think twice about closing anything. You should try to hold out for Zen 4 to upgrade, but if you really want to upgrade your CPU. Wait till they release the R7 5700x (around $380 I'm sure) .
@@TexugoFTW its fine. But the support ends at zen 2(ryzen 3000) So either way,i need to upgrade my motherboard for the new cpu. So i planned to upgrade it at zen 4
Went from B350 ATX to B450 ITX, will settle for Ryzen 5 3600. Zen 3 is amazing, don't get me wrong, but in terms of value only 24% but at almost twice the price (plus he's using DDR4-3200 CL14). Ryzen 5 3600 it is!
hey jarrod, ive been meaning to build my first pc in a while and I really want either the r5 3600 or 3600x but I can't find any good deals. Like months ago i was looking at the product and it would cost no more than $200 but now the r5 3600 on amazon is like $260 which is absurd. Do u know any good sites that offer a viable price?
Absolutely not. AMD shit on 3600 production because they saw nobody was buying the x or xt versions. Anti consumer as fuck and most likely making space for 5600 non-x, rumor has it $220. So you're stuck between 3600xt which is usually same price as 3600x now, or going up (5600x) or down (3100x).
@@libertyprime9307 yeah it’s the worst, i should’ve just bought it months ago when it was going for like $180. Now i’m a little stuck in final building my first pc.
You’ve established a standard for quality benchmarking work. 5600X vs. 3700X is definitely a comparison I would like to see, as they are at about the same price point right now. I also wonder just how gpu-bound 3440 x 1440p ultrawide results would be.
ikr....1440p UW be the "sweet spot" atm IMO....what with the gigabyte VA panel being 400$ XD......vs the projectile vomits eveywhere......240-360hz FHD trend thats being shilled on hard AF.....and the subsequent demeands by PLEBS....trying to run big navi and 3080s....for FHD.....SMDH WTF !!!! is this nonsense....kiddo you arent going pro in some trash e-sports game bc....youre running a 500$ FHD panel and a 800$ AIB 3080.....like jesus no different than thinking a betterbat=more hits....if you blow chunks.
Cool video, however I'm more interested to learn when going from a 3600->5600 is worth it with certain gpus. Cause i can imagine that a lighter gpu will not give the same 1440p results as this test but dont know how much
The 5000 series was an insane performance leap, basically as if they jumped from the 1000 series straight to the 3000 one. AMD is certainly doing absolutely great atm
Nice video. I did some testing of 8 games with a 3600@4.2 vs 5600x@stock and only saw a gain of 9.1 fps on average. This was with a Radeon 5700XT @1080p Ultra settings. Next I'll try the 5600x@4.7. If I had did the testing with a 3090, I'm sure the differences would be similar to yours. Hopefully I can snag a 6800XT next week. Anyways, thanks again for the video.
apparently AMD used their worst of the worst test results....so that end users would be all XD....when they see their 5950x....hitting 5ghz single core boosts....which NGL is pretty XD tastic. BIG AMD energy ngl
@@anhiirr That's how it should be done really rather than using optimistic figures like they used to in the past. Basically they are setting an expectation for the customers and also their competition. Infact it was 15% then closer to the launch it then was 19%, Zen 2 was 10% then closer to the date 15%
Can u make a video where u compare 10400 with 9400f, but the 10400 will only be using 6c6t I bet both will give similar performance If they perform same then intel 10th Gen is nothing but 9th with hyper threading
yes its almost the same! even the 10900k is a 9900ks with 2 useless cores more!! Intel did NOTHING... They build a new Socket to put their old cpus into it and sell it as "10.gen" !! if u onw a 9700f or a 9600k....stay there, dont buy these "new" old garbage for much money
They will yield similar performance in games but productivity works will probably see improvement. 6 more threads mate 6. That's like comparing i5 7th gen to i7 7th gen
Yeah, veeeeeeeery interesting. I got my 3600X in spring and I'm definitely thinking this is a worthwhile upgrade, since next year I'm also gonna upgrade my GPU (RX 480) and PSU (the Seasonic G550 won't be enough). Pleeeenty of money to spend next year. However, I'm planning to get CPU+GPU launched by the end of this year, so next year I should be able to find nice discounts close to the release of the next gen. ;)
I have i7 6700 and RX 480. Thinking about getting 6900 XT when availability stabilizes, then the 6900X. That does mean I have to use Linux as its core with Steam to run most games. Windows 10 is increasingly unwieldy when advanced operations from Control Panel is being phased out, requiring Powershell or command line to perform obscure tasks, at which is more Linux domain than Windows in terms of Ease of Use scales.
I got a 5600X waiting for me in the post office, upgrading from a 3600. I'm also going to upgrade from my old 1070 into an RX 6800 and reap the benefits of the AMD combo.
......lol right just get a 4k gpu like a 3080 or BIG NAVI....and dont look back till am5. Play non multi-player games....and be sitting pretty with game pass ultimate+ea play+etc games in 4k
Thank you for the information. Yes, I would like to see a comparison of the 3700X and 5600X. I would also like to see a comparison of the 3800X to the 5600X since I am contemplating upgrading my gaming PC to the 5600X from the 3800X and then using the 3800X to replace a 2600 in my everyday/trading computer.
@@nasdragonforce7 Have some connections with the shops. The only reason I can rest assured that I'll have a 3700x is because I know some people in places.
@@nasdragonforce7 This is what happens when people start realizing that Intel has gone to shit lmao. I understand your sentiment though, finding hardware for me is a challenge in Bangladesh. Everything here is out of stock unless you try to get them as fast as you can
I can't stress this enough, there is so much people that don't even test cpu gaming performance at 1440p argumenting there is no difference at resolution higher than 1080p. It's been demonstrated over and over that CPU performance still matters at 1440p. At 4k I agree it becomes almost irrelevant. Thanks Jarrod
4k is so NICHE....its like yeah you can run a 6 core or even 4 core to play 4k....but if you got the kinda $$$ to play 4k....you may as well get the ryzen 9...12-16c.....and record that 4k content and also produce some....given the lack of content creators for 4k gaming as it is. Or stream etc.... Its somewhat ironic how large the need from 6c to 16c becomes...when going from gaming at 4k....to producing 4k content.....at 4k/60fps etc.....Which is somewhat of a point of emphasis.....plus i only plan on playing single player games/sports/racing/fighting games on 4k...I got the ultrawide for shooters and arpg/rpgs....which is the majority genre i play.....but yeah....my plans on playing 4k games....was paired with making 4k content too bc....why not. I hate playing cs:go on my ultrawide....i play on 720p 16:9...so i run the black bars on my 21:9 monitor...and the quality is trash vs my 1080p former panel....but its a small price to pay....since a trash free-sports game like CS:GO is one of the most idiotic concepts....still makes fastest cpu/ram king among all in server.....and 64 tic is utter trash vs 128 tic clients. While needing a TN panel ideally...and 240+hz....to play such an utter shite game by comparison....ive moved on....LUL
There's a gamer split between esport & FPS type titles and story /scenery slower paced games. 1080p is faster whilst 4K pushes the image difference. 1440p now becomes feasible but falls between 2 stools. If you've paid for 4K monitor & GPU you don't buy the R5/i5, you go 7 & up.
@@RobBCactive i got "more" in my cpu....bc im gonna run multi screen watch sports etc F1 golf etc. While gaming on ultrawide or 4k to 4k....and the need for more cores is apparent for those use cases or over 16gb system utilization. But the level of "necessary" is IMO contingent with game/genre and monitor/refresh rate. Even then if pros already "made it" with 144hz....having a 360hz tuf monitor isnt going to be the "difference" in going pro...learning to pwn on jack shit will...smh esp then stepping up to payed client services and a TN high refresh monitor off top should be a "first step" not these "next gen" pc master race kiddos that want a zen3 chip a 3070 or better....to play a free game/by majority free games...its largely ironic and a huge byproduct of industry shilling
I upgraded from a 3700x because I thought I would be streaming more often but couldn't really get into it. But ever since I got the 5600x, my performance has been very great. Gave my 3700x to my friend for Christmas and bought him a 1060. He got to build his first PC that week :)
Wasn't sure if the upgrade was worth it even with my 3600x all core overclocked at 4.4ghz, but think I will be upgrading in the new year. Thanks for the great video.
@Jarrod what 5000 Series CPU would you recommend for streaming? I play in 1440p and would want to stream in 1080p, I cant find any info regarding what CPU is best for streaming.
NOTE: the 3600 IS NOT $200 anymore, and hasn't been for at least a week (which is the age of this video) in the USA. They are now just under $250 on both amazon and newegg, likely due to stock depletion and people unable to wait for Zen 3 to be in stock for various reasons/can't afford it. The 3600xt was actually cheaper, at $233 Amazon when I pulled the trigger last Sunday, but has now gone up as well.
@@AM-cm2kj microcenter has always been a bit special, but most Americans aren't anywhere near one since they only have 25 stores. Online, the 3600 is a lot more expensive now.
@@double0three yeah and ths bad thing is by the time I want to build a 500 desktop..... Hopefully it'll cheaper but the next 6 or 7 versions of the great components will be out and dominating the market. Lol Oh well..... Win some, lose some,I guess
Jarrod, if I plan to pair my CPU with an RTX 2060 or similar, is the 5600x worth double the price of the 3600 in my country or will I simply not notice the difference with anything but a high end GPU?
@@JarrodsTech I’m playing on 1080p @60Hz. I might consider 144Hz but a GPU upgrade would be first. If I were to go with a 5600X, I’d have to skimp on the GPU and my 1060 is aging very much even now.
They release games like every few months or so, so I don't think they have the time for that. They'd rather squeeze the most profit than to satisfy customer
Assassins Creed Origins was optimatized pretty well. It could run on most highest settings at +45 fps on a 1050 ti low profile, 8gb of ram and a 3rd gen i5
i mean i can run FC5 off my "budget" system....3600, 3200mhz ram, 5500xt 8gb....and it runs FC5 with maxed textures....everything else med....on my main rigs 1440p ultrawide....at 50 even 60+fps at times....if youre gonna drop shade....i was honestly shocked that the 8gb 5500xt...was able to run HD+ultra texture settings for FC5. Granted it got a lil hot than the 5500xt typically does since it actually runs really really cool. Especially with adaptivesync/freesync enabled. FC5 and new dawn are actually really good playthroughs IMO....and a platform i often have installed for benchmarking/system to system purposes since newdawn is 16gb apparently. Im really looking forward to FC6 NGL. Of which is promoted with zen3 chips....and FC5 had an amd sponsorship.....yet 10th gen intel dumpsters on it pretty hard compared to my 3600 and 3950x...."Made for ryzen" i kek....as ive also tested a 10600k and own a 9750h laptop. The budget system will be sold to my IRL friend/barber. As their first "gaming pc"...and their creeping on 30 years old LOL....what a time to be a gamer....look at the new dawn "scaling graph" shucks now thats what i call ubisoft "optimizations" lol....but damn does this game get my system and laptop hot.
My 5600x has been a beast so far, looking forward to getting a better cooler and better ram for it, will make it even better, just wish it was more available so others could get one too
Great video as always. It would be great to see real life comparison @1440p Ultra with GPU that will people realisticly buy if they are buying 6cores cpu (5700XT, 2080 Super, 3070.. RX 6800.....or in future , 6700, 6700XT, 3060Ti....)
Right? Of course I'm not asking for a double performance (would be stupid expect for this) for the doubled price, but 3600 still kills it for the price...
Upgraded to Ryzen 5 3600 with my old gtx 1070 Ti. Amazing Value for Money KING even after ZEN 3 launch !!! I do post benchmark videos if it helps anyone choosing this combo
I am on 3300X and gtx 1070ti and can't fault it. Was thinking of getting 2600 back then but went for 3300x and it was a good choice. Mostly game at 1440p or 2160p
Thanks for including the excel test results, up to now i was thinking of going 3600 but now unsure as i use excel alot. why do you think the 5600x does great with excel in particular?
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Can't wait for Zen 3 to hit mobile.
@@dondraper4438 Me too!
Hi, would you ever consider doing some RPCS3 tests? It's very CPU intensive and a lot of people are interested in how Zen 3 improves on Zen 2.
@@LudicrouslyLiam what is that?
@@sushimshah2896 It's a playstation 3 emulator
everyone else: yeah upgrades time.
Me: Now I Can Afford 3600. :)
LOL same hahaahaha
Same, I've a 3600 waiting to be used, but I just can't yet because I'm still waiting for my GPU to arrive
i doubt this will happen, in fact 3600 is going up in price like crazy this month it went up by 40 euro where i live , but we can always dream i suppose
Lol, when 6600 will appear i will finally upgrade to a 2600.
I've seen some cheap 3600
Even saw a 3600x for 160
this is exactly what i was looking for
Hope it helps!
All in one place with great summary! Best comparison out there!
Do you think that the same configuration with 3070 would make a difference? I would like to see a cheaper card in this comparison.
@@mariuszmaterek4857 In 1080p you might see 5fps difference but otherwise gpu bound all the way...
@Water God Why??
@@JarrodsTech hey! What’s the best gaming laptop for $2000 AUD?
"but it's no match for ubisoft's err, optimization" lmao top comedy right there
assasins creed syndicate, a 2015 game, has less fps on my pc than doom eternal on ultra at 1080p
@@DJAPE-vq5jw not a fair comparison, it's an open world game vs a corridor shooter, still though im sure it can be done better.
@@DJAPE-vq5jw Most of those games are ONLY 60hertz/frame, I recently played syndicate there's like 5 graphical options which non- are graphical options..
Also just because you have a new or powerful system doesn't mean it'll beast any game, OLD games build on OLD hardware perform WORSE or not at all. such as Diablo 2. direct draw ... pixel shading tech. adobe... shit that simply don't exist anymore which means its a function the CPU/GPU does not have and can not perform.
@@kelynbrowen7034 60hz/frame
wait to 60fps is 3600Hz?
@@kelynbrowen7034 Depending on which old game you're playing, you will have a better performance emulating it rather than playing it directly.
as an owner of Ryzen 3600 I appreciate 4K comparison :) this proves to me that I won't need to dish out 300 for CPU and can spend all the money on GPU
I have seen cases if people running 4k on a modern gpu with an ancient fx8350 processor and only seeing like a 10fps difference between that and zen 1. So yeah if 4k gaming cpu really doesnt matter much.
Honestly yeah. GPUs still aren't fast enough for 4K for CPUs to make a decent difference to justify a single generational leap.
@@Malohdek Yeah, it’s only really an issue if you already have a 2080Ti or better, and even then...
@@johnbuscher 2080ti doesn't make a difference. He's using 3090 to test and you only see so little difference if ever any.
CPU gets less relevant the higher resolution you go, your 3600 is fine
Me when they release zen 2:
Nah I'll just wait for zen 3
Me when they release zen 3:
Uh i'll just wait again for zen 4
“eh i think i’ll wait for zen 5”
then 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15... 69... 420
@@someguywithmtndew5691 😂 haha 😂... stfu
@@Ubigmad-vy5ps no
Same i'm still using a Fx 6300☢
@@notFR4 oh god, upgrade or switch it our for an i7 2600/Xeon X5680
Thanks a ton for including the percentage difference graphs after all the tests! Gives a nice summation and overview afterwards. Otherwise you have to hold too many numbers and the general impression is more skewed
simple conclusion,
if you are rich, upgrade
if you are not, don't upgrade
exactly....make proper frugal decisions with money earned esp if there isnt much to spare
If you're poor you should have way bigger worries than what CPU you'll be gaming on lol. I only got into this pc build / gaming world after I started making decent bank, it would have been way too frustrating otherwise. Window shopping is trash.
@@br3ak_ exactly and every week/month/paycheck that passes and the 1-200$ put aside from said pay....puts you that much better a step up with GPU cpu mobo etc....ssd options. With each month an ideal PC build gets that much better as far as purchasing power....so patience becomes a learned skill....and by the time you get 3000$ for a maxed out pc capable of 60fps 4k or etc.....you realize a month later and you can have a motorcycle or a used truck etc.....vs sitting at home on pc...you can be ridin or offroading or etc....a few months to a year later....thats a solid down payment for new car....ppl that "want" things ought to plan a stringent spending plan and a savings plan....its more ideal and rewarding....being able to track the progress of what you can buy...and what you could have bought as a motivating factor....then we have the "excuse" xyz kiddos that if they live in the states really have no excuse
If you're rich you won't be looking at 5600X lol
If you are rich just buy a 5950x and a fucking 3090
Ryzen 3600 is still a beast. Worth every penny when I bought last year. I got the X version too.
Not if you want high refresh games, it's only good in 4k now
@@ThunderBlastvideo depends, if you are planning to play at 2k changing your cpu is absolutly usless, but if you are still playing at 1080p is worth the upgrade.
Same!
Still on 2600 not worth an upgrade yet. Unless I games at 4k
@@chaos3924 👀
I personally wouldn't upgrade unless i am getting a new GPU or something :p
Fair enough!
Sure would be nice to get one of those, for example, "500$" 3070s
...lemme just check the prices here
...750€
....fk that
@@x1c3x I swear buying gaming laptops with mid range graphic cards in them is the way to go, I hook mine to an external high refresh rate monitor and a kb&m and it's pretty much the desktop experience.
between that and an ideal panel/monitor for said usecase or build. I find the 240hz-360hz FHD realm to be dependent on CPU performance among GPU pairings. Same to anyone with hopes of running g-sync with 1440p....or even a 240hz samsung odyssey monitor. I feel most of those "concepts" to be logically contingent. also if youre going to be OC the cpu vs running stock...the voltage degredation/creep is that much more of an apparent issue with the 3700x...and equates to 1.4v+ usecase and the typical eventuality of system failure or ram failure etc. From running at 1.4v+
@Retendo stfu
When it comes to overclocking the Ryzen, the focus should mostly be on memory fine-tuning.
This. Ryzen DRAM Calculator, plus Ryzen Clocktuner or adjusting load-line and PBO settings is the best way
I agree.
which is largely a pain and can take weeks+ time to dial in ideally. had this issue with an ITX power build.....the 32gb duel rank kit just wouldnt listen/run how i wanted with pbo. Turns out the shite AF psu included 650w "gold" with my inwin a1+ chassis....was the culprit. Terrible ripple and 300w only on the 12v rail. Paired with quality parts and manual OC...=LUL.
@Desktopia yep when i upped from 32 to 64(more or less a test the second kit is for another system) the 4 sticks being able to allocate across all the ram as stable as possible was some great 1% low yields. Most ive even seen utilized is like 24gb.
@Desktopia noup tuned 2x8 will perform slighty better i have 4x8 and i sitll use 2x8 due to reaching higher overclock and tighter timings 4x8 or 2x16 will only be better if u use memory on stock settings or xmp
dude I really appreciate it that you showed both 1440p and 4k in your results, I really missed those from the comparisons done by Harbor Unboxed and Tech Jesus!
To be fair, their focus isn't on should you upgrade but rather how much better is the cpu compared to last gen and competition. 1440p and 4k would have skewed the comparison and possibly sent out a wrong message. I'm grateful that we have such scientific channels and also ones like this channel that are more geared towards more real-life decision-making for people with budget.
Doesnt matter how much better it is if you cant see tangible gains. I play at 1440p so I dont understand why I would give one shit about 720p or 1080p results. All I care about is my own performance at my own settings.
@@rykehuss3435 Well then you'll be happy to know that there is a MINIMUM AVERAGE 15-20 fps increase @ 1440p (assuming not 21:9), over the 3600, assuming you have a GPU that can handle it.
@@rykehuss3435 The concept for how HUB and GN (and many other channels which perform these kinds of more analytical testing) do their testing (an aspect of their methodology, or testing philosophy if you will) is to use the results as a _proxy_ to work out the kind of performance improvements gen to gen, and architecture to architecture, and then encourage the viewers/readers to extrapolate as needed for their particular application.
If you want to use the results directly, so you know what performance to expect, that's also a valid thing, but let's not pretend that HUB and GN's testing methodologies are somehow worthless, as they're far from it. They just have a different purpose, and that's fine.
(this all being said, both HUB and GN _also_ perform the kind of testing you seem to want, at 1440p and 4K - it's just not part of their CPU reviews, due to the kind/style of reviews they do. They do sometimes do setting deep dives and optimisation guides, however, which are excellent, and I highly recommend them!)
definitely upgrading, I'm excited to finally change my 7yr old laptop
changing from laptop to a desktop is not upgrade , its a fucking milestone
Time to perform a ritual sacrifice to that thing as demanded by the Old Gods... hammer it to pieces in the nearest parking lot.
@@tehJimmyy glad to be praised by someone! As a loser who’s been barely gaming on my poopoo laptop is now finally purchasing a $1400 pc. That is what years of work and dedication leads to
@GwnLeon yeah it’s 1000 times better I have *almost* all parts now. I’m reusing my old gpu doe :/
@@libertyprime9307 can't do that, I live in an asian household and they'll question where the laptop is
5600x is nearly double the cost of a 3600 here where I live. So no way I'm upgrading to pair with 3070 at 1440p even if I can afford to
Launch prices, I expect the R5 5000 will either have a value skew or the 5600X will become cheaper with a faster "gamers" skew emphasising boost as production ramps.
I agree, you won’t see that much of a boost at 1440p, nearly twice the price for 15% more FPS? Nope.
3600 is only $200 or sometimes less, and the 5600x is about $370 where I live
@@azimuth011 200euros for 3600 here, but i can get a 3500x for 110euros. Should i upgrade from 1600af u guys think?
@John Hooper Did miss the HERE WHERE I LIVE? You know that each part has different costs in different parts of the world right?
6:50 Why the hell 3600 on OC have lower temperature and power
where is leopold
Might have to do with the bin lottery he was talking about. Not much overclocking to do. That's the best speculation I have.
It is more related to more peek voltage provided by the motherboard. Remember he also put manual voltage along with manual all core frequency.
Really doesnt make sense to me
the entire oc numbers in the video make no sense...
Please always include the 4k cpu comparisons, I game at 4k and I like to see the 1% lows results as sometimes at 4k certain cpus help improve the gaming experience more than others even at 4k. Thanks for your work Jarrod!! Love from New York :)
exactly...nothing is more tilting than seeing complaints about 4k content....by non 4k gamers....they really dont know how much of a lack there is in 4k content and viable information towards how to make 4k gaming viable. The naysayers really dont do much but hurt the process. I recommend bang4buckpcgamer if you want to see some 10/10 4k content and insights on building a pc for 4k gaming or 4k gaming+recording/streaming. That dude is a str8 goat of 4k gaming atm
@@anhiirr Is 4K noticable though at a 27 inch monitor? I heard it's not worth having 4K on smaller monitors.
@@deadrock1678 i dont have a 4k 27"...im saving for a 48" oled...i have a 34" 1440p uw
@@anhiirr i dumped my 1440p ultrawide for an LG CX OLED aboutbtwo months ago and I couldn't be happier. I just need to get my hands on a 3080 or 6800xt for their HDMI 2.1 ports so I can get rid of some chroma subsampling I have on text.
@@JonathanS89 literally same XD....i like the ultrawide for racing games most NGL....but i cant wait to get a 4k CX....from costco/kirkland most likely. G-sync on 4k oled seems like the best endgame for PC gaming ATM. Having fun playing godfall with my 5700XT free key....as i await cyberpunk on the 3070 FE....(returned 5700xt KEPT THE KEY XD).....the shadowlands DXR demo was such AMD payed sponsored content so LUL.....DLSS and RTX for cyberpunk 4k is the goal for how im gonna spend a chunk of 2021 While stepping up to a 6800xt/6900 or a 3080.....ideally the ampere card to run g-sync with the LG.
one of the few reviews with 1440p and 4k benchmarks, thank you!
it would be great to see the results with a mid range GPU just to confirm the upgrade would be minimal
That would defeat the whole point because it would be GPU bound. This is comparing CPU so what is the logic in bottlenecking the CPU with a mid range GPU.
@@Andrew-xo6hl it would be a real scenario, so much more useful... who is pairing a 3090 with a 200$ cpu?
@@DavidPLopez real scenario or not, this is a cpu compairson, which cpu performs better, end of story. In order for an accurate comparison all other bottlenecks and external factors have to be eliminated. This shit is taught in highschool science did you not pass high school?
@@Andrew-xo6hl GPU performance do come into the equation when we are testing out 2 CPUs which are from different generations. Even a kindergarten kid would understand that newer generations have far more headroom in terms of bottleneck range when it comes to pairing them up with a flagship GPU from NVIDIA or AMD. You wouldn't pair up a 3600 with 4090 and compare it with a 5600X paired up with the same, there will be performance issues for sure with the 3600 build. So, in order to eliminate such differences in this video the person should've paired up both the CPUs with something like a 3060/3060ti or in a more extreme case a 3070 in order to draw out a fair comparison. Also to keep in mind, not a single guy with a 3090 would go for a 300$ CPU
@@DavidPLopez lol me 🤣. I gotten a 3090 but i have a ryzen 5 1600 🤣🤣
Thanks for the video! I bought a Ryzen 3600 system this summer and wondered if it was worth upgrading to the 5600. I'm super happy with it's performance right now, maybe I'll upgrade next year if the price drops.
0:47 did I hear 3600X?
anyways I was waiting for this video
Typo with the old mouth machine.
@@JarrodsTech Ah lol no problem just wanted to confirm
Thanks for this video tho
No, this video is talking about if you have the 3600 and if you should upgrade to the 5600x. Not just a comparison with the CPUs
@Mi Shell ohhh sorry I misread your comment mb
A much needed comparison
Thanks mate
No problem!
Thank you for including 4K gaming FPS results. I feel too much emphasis is given to 1080p gaming just because it shows more differences. This is an excellent comparison review!! At 4K, most games will care more about GPU than CPU unless you play Star Citizen like me where everything matters...
This is why most CPU benchmarks leave the 4K results out because as tou have said - 4K is GPU bound territory.
Great video! I must have a really good 3600 because mine sits at 4.3Ghz @ 1.2V. perfectly stable and almost never goes beyond 60C with a 240mm AIO.
Would you recommend me, wait to the launch of the R5 5600 without X. I have read and heard that the launch price of the 5 5600 could be 220$. What do you think bro ?
Yeah, I'm guessing that AMD pushed the more expensive versions so that people would buy them sooner. Because they are defiantly going to release a 5600 and a 5700x sometime next year
Definitely wait, R5 5600 should be released shortly after Navi gpu, and i reckon the price would be ~$250....
Just be prepared for those scalpers b**s**d
Depends what's your current rig specs? If zen2+ 3000 series I'd skip the 5000 series if zen1 and< then get 5000 series it's the last for am4. X= overclocking vs non X= minimal overclocking. Prob just get non X if cheaper it's not worth it unless going to be heavy overclocking.
Absolutely. The x is an overpriced money grabber.
i would like to that comparison against 3700x as kept seeing on other videos that 3700x is more future proof
Only because it has 2 more cores. Gaming performance is literally the same. Some might argue that 8 core should be standard because of the new consoles but I think that’s bull.
3600X will not hit 100% in gaming even with a 2080ti. 3700X gives you that extra 33% but imo its overkill. you dont need more than 6 cores unless youre editing. Newer gen consoles on 8 cores are using mobile cpus with low clocks that are nowhere near the clocks that a 6 core desktop CPU hits. Even the 4 core 3300x is good to go until you go above the 2070 super. I have 3600X and 2080 super.
5600x is more future proof than a 3700x. Its also faster than it, in both gaming and workstation loads. Just because new consoles have 8 cores (which are very much weaker compared to PC cores because PC cases have actually good cooling in general) doesnt mean games will start "requiring" 8 cores. They wont. They will require fast single thread performance, now and forever. Since AI and physics have to be calculated on one core. So what ends up happening is that 1-2 cores will get hammered the hardest, and after about 8 threads everything else is just gravy. 4c/8t is good enough for years to come, as long as theyre fast. Like a 10300.
@@rykehuss3435 i dont agree with you bro. Look at Valhalla on a 4 core cpu. CPU usage went up to 95% at times and when the gameplay becomes hectic, it stutters. I can't tell you how much i hate micro-stutters, it feels awful. With an 8 core cpu, everything runs smooth. It just feels nicer. I think 5600x is a bad buy because some games are already using more than 6 cores with over 50% cpu usage. It's not just about the frame rate you know. It's about frame pacing. How smooth it feels. So, 4 core is dead, 6 core is entry level and 8 core 16threads is ideal. 10-12 cores are premium options.
If it's possible, a test with more mid range GPU should be done as they are more likely to be paired with a 3600/5600. The gap might shrink due to GPU bottleneck instead.
Thx for the video, it was nice to see a video that wasn't cut constantly by mid ads
I would like to see these same two CPUs ran again and compared to the stock cooler (ran in a closed case like normal computers). I have a hard time understanding why we need to buy $50 aftermarket coolers on “mid-range” CPUs. For people who hate noise, I understand that justification. But $50 could instead be used for more cores, double the storage, a slightly faster GPU etc when we talk about $1000 builds. If you could run -some- of these tests again with these two chips with stock coolers, that would be appreciated.
This video really helped my decision (and the fact that my motherboard doesn't support 5000 series), I upgraded from a 1600x to a 3600 and I'm getting 25%+ better performance from just the cpu upgrade! Thank you for making this comparison video!
me to this day and despite being 2022 i'm still crazy to see the joys of this processor, i only have rtx 2060 super but before i had this processor i had ryzen 5 2600 and i saw a big difference for ryzen 5 5600x and fluidity and it should being from 7nm lithography to videos and movies so much better despite having the rtx 2060 super I saw a big difference...... I just don't understand the comments
Thank you for testing at higher resolutions. Makes me feel less panicked about waiting for a bios update to grab zen 3, since I have a 3440x1440 screen.
I was waiting for such a video! The 4k results were the interesting (for me) part. Knowing that there are almost the same is very good information. Thank you!
3600 still offers better value for money, especially now that the price of the 3600 might fall further.
how long will it take for the prices to drop
ehhh 5600x has like 20% more performance. id pay 300 for it easy.
@@twitchie2245 3600 might drop to 150-180 or so in a few months, you'll be paying 60% more for 20% performance increase. And the 3600's performance was more than enough as is, it's not like it was running trash fps. 5600x doesn't make sense for most customers that actually care about their budget.
@@MrSwipe might take couple months
@Immortal sure, for that one particular game, sure thing. That's an extremely specific use case.
Glad to see that you are getting more and more sponsors. These channel need to get bigger.
Amd be like : "fine I'll do it myself"
The Excel gains are crazy! More FPS while tabbing to the next cell! :-D
Nicely presented tests and commentary. Thank you.
In other words, while the performance increase is great for a generation over generation improvement, it's pointless to upgrade from a 3600. These margins look good on paper but in practice they are not far enough apart to warrant spending money upgrading. If you are sporting a 1600/x then it's a great upgrade option. Pick it over a 3600 if building new so long as the price isn't too far apart. You need to bare in mind the market segment here, if you are not using a high end GPU you will not see these gains in gaming. Most people using the 3600 built a mid range/budget gaming system, choosing the 3600 over say a 3800x or faster so they could get a better GPU, likely something mid range like a GTX 1660Ti, RTX 2060 or RX 580/590, Rx 5600/5700 etc. Throw a 5600x in a system with any of these GPUs and while there may be some slight gains they will be insignificant when actually in use. Save a bit more money and upgrade your GPU and you will see larger, more noticeable gains, especially if you are on the lower end of the GPU spectrum currently, that is, if you even need an upgrade at all.
It's great to see someone who's not blinded by the benchmarks and actually think of part combinations and budget.
Exactly what I thought. I know you made this a year later.
But, I still bought a Ryzen 5 3600 instead of a 5600x simply because I didn’t want to upgrade my motherboard (A320 I know very entry level and pretty much no OC).
Very happy that my set-up is still very relevant regardless of the next lineup from AMD being here.
Given my current CPU is a 3600 and my GPU is a 3080, would that make it more viable to buy a 5600X?
@@SnafuYT the 5800x is your option
@@SnafuYT 5700x might be better option
Broooo!!!! This channel is so fucking underappreciated considering the production quality, soothing ass sexy voice and value of information he is providing to the public. So why dafuq does this guy only have 250k subs?!?!?
i cannot imagine buying a 3600 and now even thinking of upgrading, even the 1600 is still a beast lol
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hehe ikr? Heck my 9600k is still a beast as well. And I plan on downsizing my rig to the H1 case next Feb. :)
A beast? Really?
@@jpateka come on man it's still a great cpu that will last me for a few more years.
I have actually upgraded from 1600 to 5600x - my old 1600 was @ 4GHz +RAM 3200Mhz for 3 years and I gotta tell you the upgrade was well worth it even tho I am still using 980ti while waiting for 6800XT . The difference is significant in 1% lows and even tho GPU is old RDR2/ACO/Witcher 3 FPS are far more smoother there is no comparison to 1600. UNIGINE Valley from something like 4000 points on (1080 extreme HD ) to 4400 points just by CPU change. 1600 would bottleneck any newer GPU like crazy thats for sure.
Great video! Can you do this with the 5600x vs the 3700x please? Trying to work out if the upgrade is worth it.
It's on the to-do list!
Yes, especially if it helps makes black Friday sales decisions if there is a sale on 3700x
i find the 3700x to be inherently flawed due to its 65wtdp and inherenly high voltage required to clock above 4ghz. As far as that goes you may want to consider the 5600 launch in january...considering how damn hard its going to be to find a zen3 chip instock until then....IJS...then if you want to run that mobo for years longer...eventually get more cores...since the 5600 will be 220$...and offer zen3 performance in games vs zen2. IJS. Plus youl eventually upgrade from the 3700x for similar cicumstances/reasons. in 2022+ anyways.
Just btw ^^'
Even if the 3700x had a better price/performance ratio (not sure if it has), the 5000 series in combination with the new 6000 graphics series has an additional performance boost with their smart memory access technology. (If you already had this in mind, then just ignore my comment :3)
Totally not worth it
I am going to build my own pc. Do you think a 3600x will go well with the 3060 ti ?
yes definitely bro the Ryzen 5 3600 could easily handle the RTX 3080, and the performance difference between its higher sibling's like the R9 was similar, so yes you can pair the RTX 3060 with the R5 3600
been toying with thoughts on upgrading for some time now so this vid useful thanks Jarrod. I'm at 4k, 3080 (water cooled), 3600xt.....the only thing I'm thinking might sway me further is if Smart Access Memory/Resizable BAR will make a further difference on the 3.24% average difference you identify here. hoping you see this and you think a SAM video worth going for :)
I got my 3600 for $159, and 5600x is going for $299. I can wait next gen. Or if they come out with a 5600 below $200.
Thank you! Really appreciate adding the 4K resolution to the comparison since it's mostly the resolution I play in and def need this video to be sure to save that extra cash going for the 3600 and a better GPU!
Difficult to at the moment get at better GPU than the 3090 that's in this test system. :) I was surprised to see that the difference between the CPUs were so small at 4K. I take it even having a 3090 is a bottleneck at such high resolution, or otherwise the difference should be bigger between the two CPUs, right?
I was a 3600 user just upgraded 2 days ago. Despite the usage/ value of 3600, my gaming experience on 5600x is outstanding. I see huge fps gain, pairing with my 3080.
As a gamer, I see the fps gain is very convincing, its like I upgraded to a better gpu even though your pc specs stay the same.
Thank you for testing 4k. It’s what I play at on my 3080/3600 and it’s great! No need to upgrade unless a specific game I play at 1440p is 20-30% faster and above the critical 80fps. Cyberpunk might be one title worth upgrading for. I’m assuming I’ll be playing in 1440p (4k render) DLSS ray tracing.
Everyone else: yeah upgrades time.
Me: Still loving my 2600 even today :)
Love to see 3700x comparison.
I'm contemplating swapping my 3700x for a 5600x as I don't utilise all the r7 cores (mainly just do gaming these days).
If on 1080p yeah I'd say go for it,if on 1440p/4k I'd just keep the 3700x
@@seanv4321thanks, I was also thinking about the smart access memory feature on the upcoming amd gpu's.
Nice problem to have! I have had to build with a 3400G when it became clear Nvidia weren't delivering enough GPUs to cause knock on price cuts.
SAM may become available on R7 3700, as resizeable BAR support is a PCIE feature not a CPU feature
The only reason the 5600x (GEN 3) looks amazing is because it's paired with a $1,500 dollar GPU. If you have anything less than a RTX 3080 - this will be a complete waste of money (unless you have an edge case for this CPU). A 3700x is about 5 to 10 FPS (maybe more or less in some games) and look at the 3600 in the video. Almost every game over 100 FPS and when you pair the 5600x with a lower tier GPU like RTX 3070 these CPU will be closer together in FPS than in this video.
You're game might not be using all R7 cores for gaming, but your computer is. I owned an i5 6600K 4/4 and because I only had enough cores for gaming. I had to make sure windows update was not updating in the background and I had to make sure I closed out all my programs (or I would get frame stutters). You down grade to 6/16 CPU. You are putting yourself closer to game requirements and you'll have to start doing the same thing in a year or two.
I have 3700x and I have discord open, chrome open (and maybe a RUclips video, or music app open) and could have windows update in the background. And I just launch my game without having to think twice about closing anything.
You should try to hold out for Zen 4 to upgrade, but if you really want to upgrade your CPU. Wait till they release the R7 5700x (around $380 I'm sure) .
@@blake112x my thoughts exactly.. good post
Thanks heaps for comparing at 4k, I know it's supposed to be bottlenecked but I always want to make sure :)
Jarrod always comes through with the perfect videos for what I’m tryna find out 👌
Excellent format of the video 👍
sill, imma wait for zen 4. I need to change the motherboard anyways . (im still using the B350 board with my 3600)
is the b350 bad?
@@TexugoFTW its fine. But the support ends at zen 2(ryzen 3000)
So either way,i need to upgrade my motherboard for the new cpu. So i planned to upgrade it at zen 4
@@MARTINREN1231 Im going to do the same thing too im using a first gen zen I can hold out for a year more
Went from B350 ATX to B450 ITX, will settle for Ryzen 5 3600. Zen 3 is amazing, don't get me wrong, but in terms of value only 24% but at almost twice the price (plus he's using DDR4-3200 CL14). Ryzen 5 3600 it is!
If you keep on waiting and waiting, you'll never het satisfied. Buy now and regret later lol XD
hey jarrod, ive been meaning to build my first pc in a while and I really want either the r5 3600 or 3600x but I can't find any good deals. Like months ago i was looking at the product and it would cost no more than $200 but now the r5 3600 on amazon is like $260 which is absurd. Do u know any good sites that offer a viable price?
Absolutely not. AMD shit on 3600 production because they saw nobody was buying the x or xt versions.
Anti consumer as fuck and most likely making space for 5600 non-x, rumor has it $220.
So you're stuck between 3600xt which is usually same price as 3600x now, or going up (5600x) or down (3100x).
@@libertyprime9307 yeah it’s the worst, i should’ve just bought it months ago when it was going for like $180. Now i’m a little stuck in final building my first pc.
Day 25 of asking Jarrod to include Destiny 2 in benchmarks
hmm
You’ve established a standard for quality benchmarking work. 5600X vs. 3700X is definitely a comparison I would like to see, as they are at about the same price point right now. I also wonder just how gpu-bound 3440 x 1440p ultrawide results would be.
ikr....1440p UW be the "sweet spot" atm IMO....what with the gigabyte VA panel being 400$ XD......vs the projectile vomits eveywhere......240-360hz FHD trend thats being shilled on hard AF.....and the subsequent demeands by PLEBS....trying to run big navi and 3080s....for FHD.....SMDH WTF !!!! is this nonsense....kiddo you arent going pro in some trash e-sports game bc....youre running a 500$ FHD panel and a 800$ AIB 3080.....like jesus no different than thinking a betterbat=more hits....if you blow chunks.
@@anhiirr I agree completely...and so poetically written. Lol
Great Benchmark man!
Please can you do
5600x vs 10900k?
Thanx :)
I’ve got both of these chips in my living room and one is being sold or sent back. This video helps a lot
Cool video, however I'm more interested to learn when going from a 3600->5600 is worth it with certain gpus. Cause i can imagine that a lighter gpu will not give the same 1440p results as this test but dont know how much
I wish the time was on a minute:second base, rather than the seconds only. Love your work, keep it up!
It's super annoying to do it such that the X axis isn't all over the place in excel, it is what it is.
Gonna upgrade when Zen 4 comes out. I'm rocking a 9600k right now.
@Ottoman Empire it ain't a flex
Good content, great comparison. Subscribed
The 5000 series was an insane performance leap, basically as if they jumped from the 1000 series straight to the 3000 one. AMD is certainly doing absolutely great atm
Nice video. I did some testing of 8 games with a 3600@4.2 vs 5600x@stock and only saw a gain of 9.1 fps on average. This was with a Radeon 5700XT @1080p Ultra settings. Next I'll try the 5600x@4.7. If I had did the testing with a 3090, I'm sure the differences would be similar to yours. Hopefully I can snag a 6800XT next week. Anyways, thanks again for the video.
5:54 The average performance increase is 20.89%. This is even better than the 19% advertised by AMD.
apparently AMD used their worst of the worst test results....so that end users would be all XD....when they see their 5950x....hitting 5ghz single core boosts....which NGL is pretty XD tastic. BIG AMD energy ngl
@@anhiirr I XD agree :P
@@anhiirr That's how it should be done really rather than using optimistic figures like they used to in the past. Basically they are setting an expectation for the customers and also their competition. Infact it was 15% then closer to the launch it then was 19%, Zen 2 was 10% then closer to the date 15%
Great informative piece of work
Can u make a video where u compare 10400 with 9400f, but the 10400 will only be using 6c6t
I bet both will give similar performance
If they perform same then intel 10th Gen is nothing but 9th with hyper threading
The 10400 has more cache though, and slightly higher single core turbo. They are basically the same thing though.
@@JarrodsTech that's why people r angry with intel
It's the same thing except for the motherboard
yes its almost the same! even the 10900k is a 9900ks with 2 useless cores more!!
Intel did NOTHING...
They build a new Socket to put their old cpus into it and sell it as "10.gen" !!
if u onw a 9700f or a 9600k....stay there, dont buy these "new" old garbage for much money
They will yield similar performance in games but productivity works will probably see improvement. 6 more threads mate 6. That's like comparing i5 7th gen to i7 7th gen
Yeah, veeeeeeeery interesting. I got my 3600X in spring and I'm definitely thinking this is a worthwhile upgrade, since next year I'm also gonna upgrade my GPU (RX 480) and PSU (the Seasonic G550 won't be enough). Pleeeenty of money to spend next year. However, I'm planning to get CPU+GPU launched by the end of this year, so next year I should be able to find nice discounts close to the release of the next gen. ;)
Medium Player nice!
Go from a 6 core to another 6 core that's more expensive makes sense
Crazywatcher r u dumb
I have i7 6700 and RX 480.
Thinking about getting 6900 XT when availability stabilizes, then the 6900X.
That does mean I have to use Linux as its core with Steam to run most games. Windows 10 is increasingly unwieldy when advanced operations from Control Panel is being phased out, requiring Powershell or command line to perform obscure tasks, at which is more Linux domain than Windows in terms of Ease of Use scales.
The 3600 is only $79.99 in 2023 while the 5600X is $169.99 right now.
Just bought a 5600x because i need the higher single core speed got it for 125 with free shipping what a steal 😂
bought 5600x on sale from ali express in just 88 dollars 🥹
You know what! Im gonna sub u ... enjoying watching your reviews
Ubisofts "Optimizations" Man that made me laugh so hard. You could really hear the quotes in your voice there :'D
I got a 5600X waiting for me in the post office, upgrading from a 3600. I'm also going to upgrade from my old 1070 into an RX 6800 and reap the benefits of the AMD combo.
upgrading from zen 1, this is a huge upgrade either way lol
Same, I bought a 5800X that arrives on Monday
@@josenator726 I upgraded from my Pentium to a 5800X also.
Armatronic holy shit
@@How23497 Yeah, massive upgrade.
@@savagearma I want to see those before and after benchmarks lmao
What about R7 1700 vs 5600x ? Factoring in, that i need to ugrade my motherboard (X370).
Conclusion play games at 4k is worth than buying new cpu
......lol right just get a 4k gpu like a 3080 or BIG NAVI....and dont look back till am5. Play non multi-player games....and be sitting pretty with game pass ultimate+ea play+etc games in 4k
but the monitor 4k is fuckin expensive
@@TheKillerZmile yep. It's cheaper to just sell and your 3600 and then pay for the difference.
@@TheKillerZmile Not even that, it's near impossible to get anything over 60Hz for less than the price of a 4K capable system.
@@TheKillerZmile 4k 60 is cheap, but 4k 144fps is where it gets fucking expensive. 4k is not good for multiplayer not yet.
Thank you for the information. Yes, I would like to see a comparison of the 3700X and 5600X. I would also like to see a comparison of the 3800X to the 5600X since I am contemplating upgrading my gaming PC to the 5600X from the 3800X and then using the 3800X to replace a 2600 in my everyday/trading computer.
Prices are dropping for zen 2, time to get that sweet ass 3700x I've been waiting for
Sadly not in my country. Out of stock everytime
@@nasdragonforce7 Have some connections with the shops. The only reason I can rest assured that I'll have a 3700x is because I know some people in places.
@@WrektSK I see. I almost use personal shopper assistance to buy a cpu. What on earth ryzen become rare.
@@nasdragonforce7 This is what happens when people start realizing that Intel has gone to shit lmao. I understand your sentiment though, finding hardware for me is a challenge in Bangladesh. Everything here is out of stock unless you try to get them as fast as you can
Yes please give us a comparison of the 3700x vs 5600x!
I’m buying a 3070 and I need either the 3600 or 5600 but I want to save money do you think it’s better to save up to get the 5600 or just buy the 3600
just wait its hard to find a 5600x and there will be a non ex eventually so if youre patient wait for it if you need it now get the 3600
I can't stress this enough, there is so much people that don't even test cpu gaming performance at 1440p argumenting there is no difference at resolution higher than 1080p. It's been demonstrated over and over that CPU performance still matters at 1440p. At 4k I agree it becomes almost irrelevant. Thanks Jarrod
4k is so NICHE....its like yeah you can run a 6 core or even 4 core to play 4k....but if you got the kinda $$$ to play 4k....you may as well get the ryzen 9...12-16c.....and record that 4k content and also produce some....given the lack of content creators for 4k gaming as it is. Or stream etc.... Its somewhat ironic how large the need from 6c to 16c becomes...when going from gaming at 4k....to producing 4k content.....at 4k/60fps etc.....Which is somewhat of a point of emphasis.....plus i only plan on playing single player games/sports/racing/fighting games on 4k...I got the ultrawide for shooters and arpg/rpgs....which is the majority genre i play.....but yeah....my plans on playing 4k games....was paired with making 4k content too bc....why not. I hate playing cs:go on my ultrawide....i play on 720p 16:9...so i run the black bars on my 21:9 monitor...and the quality is trash vs my 1080p former panel....but its a small price to pay....since a trash free-sports game like CS:GO is one of the most idiotic concepts....still makes fastest cpu/ram king among all in server.....and 64 tic is utter trash vs 128 tic clients. While needing a TN panel ideally...and 240+hz....to play such an utter shite game by comparison....ive moved on....LUL
There's a gamer split between esport & FPS type titles and story /scenery slower paced games. 1080p is faster whilst 4K pushes the image difference. 1440p now becomes feasible but falls between 2 stools.
If you've paid for 4K monitor & GPU you don't buy the R5/i5, you go 7 & up.
@@RobBCactive i got "more" in my cpu....bc im gonna run multi screen watch sports etc F1 golf etc. While gaming on ultrawide or 4k to 4k....and the need for more cores is apparent for those use cases or over 16gb system utilization. But the level of "necessary" is IMO contingent with game/genre and monitor/refresh rate. Even then if pros already "made it" with 144hz....having a 360hz tuf monitor isnt going to be the "difference" in going pro...learning to pwn on jack shit will...smh esp then stepping up to payed client services and a TN high refresh monitor off top should be a "first step" not these "next gen" pc master race kiddos that want a zen3 chip a 3070 or better....to play a free game/by majority free games...its largely ironic and a huge byproduct of industry shilling
I upgraded from a 3700x because I thought I would be streaming more often but couldn't really get into it. But ever since I got the 5600x, my performance has been very great. Gave my 3700x to my friend for Christmas and bought him a 1060. He got to build his first PC that week :)
You are good friend body
Update, he bought a 3060ti with his stimulus 😂
Wasn't sure if the upgrade was worth it even with my 3600x all core overclocked at 4.4ghz, but think I will be upgrading in the new year. Thanks for the great video.
AMD really needs to slow down so Intel can catch up.
@UNITYtechFUTURE Yeah
@Jarrod what 5000 Series CPU would you recommend for streaming? I play in 1440p and would want to stream in 1080p, I cant find any info regarding what CPU is best for streaming.
3600x: it aint much but its honest work
NOTE: the 3600 IS NOT $200 anymore, and hasn't been for at least a week (which is the age of this video) in the USA. They are now just under $250 on both amazon and newegg, likely due to stock depletion and people unable to wait for Zen 3 to be in stock for various reasons/can't afford it. The 3600xt was actually cheaper, at $233 Amazon when I pulled the trigger last Sunday, but has now gone up as well.
Really??? I got my 3600 for $180 at Micro Center today.
@@AM-cm2kj microcenter has always been a bit special, but most Americans aren't anywhere near one since they only have 25 stores.
Online, the 3600 is a lot more expensive now.
So this is what it’s come to 🤦🏻♂️ watch the darn video!
Good content as always 👍
Well, looks like I'll be getting a 5600x!
Thanks, Jared!
That's what everyone else said too, so they currently don't exist
@@double0three yeah I'm not worried tho I can wait.
(I'm flat pancake broke, lol)
@@PhillipLemmon yeah building a Ryzen 5000 computer aint cheap these days. Components are an arm and a leg compared to last time I build one in 2012
@@double0three yeah and ths bad thing is by the time I want to build a 500 desktop..... Hopefully it'll cheaper but the next 6 or 7 versions of the great components will be out and dominating the market. Lol
Oh well..... Win some, lose some,I guess
Do you have any charts showing 5600x vs 5900x at 4k? most other reviewers are just doing 1080...
Kudos to you Jarrod for including higher res scores not like 99,9% youtubers focusing just on 1080p performance
No problem! I admit I mostly do it just to show how little it really starts to matter though 😛
Jarrod, if I plan to pair my CPU with an RTX 2060 or similar, is the 5600x worth double the price of the 3600 in my country or will I simply not notice the difference with anything but a high end GPU?
You will not notice the difference
I think the 3600 will be fine with 2060, especially if you're going above 1080p.
@@JarrodsTech I’m playing on 1080p @60Hz. I might consider 144Hz but a GPU upgrade would be first. If I were to go with a 5600X, I’d have to skimp on the GPU and my 1060 is aging very much even now.
Ubisoft optimizations........ Have they tried to make any ever?
hmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔
They release games like every few months or so, so I don't think they have the time for that. They'd rather squeeze the most profit than to satisfy customer
Well why should they? People keep buying them, and spending more on microtransactions.
Assassins Creed Origins was optimatized pretty well. It could run on most highest settings at +45 fps on a 1050 ti low profile, 8gb of ram and a 3rd gen i5
i mean i can run FC5 off my "budget" system....3600, 3200mhz ram, 5500xt 8gb....and it runs FC5 with maxed textures....everything else med....on my main rigs 1440p ultrawide....at 50 even 60+fps at times....if youre gonna drop shade....i was honestly shocked that the 8gb 5500xt...was able to run HD+ultra texture settings for FC5. Granted it got a lil hot than the 5500xt typically does since it actually runs really really cool. Especially with adaptivesync/freesync enabled. FC5 and new dawn are actually really good playthroughs IMO....and a platform i often have installed for benchmarking/system to system purposes since newdawn is 16gb apparently. Im really looking forward to FC6 NGL. Of which is promoted with zen3 chips....and FC5 had an amd sponsorship.....yet 10th gen intel dumpsters on it pretty hard compared to my 3600 and 3950x...."Made for ryzen" i kek....as ive also tested a 10600k and own a 9750h laptop. The budget system will be sold to my IRL friend/barber. As their first "gaming pc"...and their creeping on 30 years old LOL....what a time to be a gamer....look at the new dawn "scaling graph" shucks now thats what i call ubisoft "optimizations" lol....but damn does this game get my system and laptop hot.
My 5600x has been a beast so far, looking forward to getting a better cooler and better ram for it, will make it even better, just wish it was more available so others could get one too
Your wish came true. It's available almost everywhere now
@@caricature1997 glad it's available everywhere now. Actually upgraded my CPU again to the 5950x I liked it so much hahaha
9:04 thats what I looking for 4K csgo
Great video as always. It would be great to see real life comparison @1440p Ultra with GPU that will people realisticly buy if they are buying 6cores cpu (5700XT, 2080 Super, 3070.. RX 6800.....or in future , 6700, 6700XT, 3060Ti....)
10:01 notice how stable the Ryzen 5 3600 is between resolutions, and unreliable the Ryzen 5 5600X is.
that might be due to slight gpu bottlenecking
lol
nice comparison. if you tested using a slower gpu like a 2070 or the upcoming 3060, would you see much difference between these 2 cpus?
the 5600x is double the price of 3600. Absolutely no where in hell it`s worth it.
Right? Of course I'm not asking for a double performance (would be stupid expect for this) for the doubled price, but 3600 still kills it for the price...
Realy, good comparison! Thanks
Upgraded to Ryzen 5 3600 with my old gtx 1070 Ti.
Amazing Value for Money KING even after ZEN 3 launch !!!
I do post benchmark videos if it helps anyone choosing this combo
I am on 3300X and gtx 1070ti and can't fault it. Was thinking of getting 2600 back then but went for 3300x and it was a good choice. Mostly game at 1440p or 2160p
Thanks for including the excel test results, up to now i was thinking of going 3600 but now unsure as i use excel alot. why do you think the 5600x does great with excel in particular?