Just upgraded from a Ryzen 1600 and Vega 56 to a 5700x3D and 6700XT. Easily getting atleast double the framerates in most games, some have even tripled. (70-90 in PUBG on the 1600. Now closer to 150-180). The fact Im still using my budget Asrock AB350M is a huge testament to how good this platform is/was.
@@arch1107 Classic AM4 longevity. I'm still rocking an A320M also from Asrock since 2018 and have used a 1200, 3600, and now a 5800X3D. Still have BIOS updates at the latest from 2023
@@Tomazack heh? Bro I was genuinely looking for a comparison between these cpus after I saw a mention of these two in a different video (i forgot which one but maybe a video by ltt or a yt short)
I recently upgraded from a 5600 to a 5700X3D and it was totally worth it. It ironed out a lot of the stuttering I was having in games like hogwarts and cyberpunk. Hoping it'll last a good few years to come yet, especially at 4k
Im on a 5600x and i'm not upgrading to a 5700X3D because there's like 0 difference in playing at 4K, biggest difference is at 1080p, mild difference at 1440p
@HoretzYT it's about the 1% lows and stuttering at higher resolution so it does matter. I upgraded the 5600 to the 5700x3d and in ghosts of tsushima everything went super smooth. I also game at 1440 and 4k so big difference.
@@HoretzYT Depending on your GPU it can make a massive difference even at 4k. I'm on a 3090 so it really has the ability to stretch its legs with the X3D. Even older games like DX-MD, Shadow of the tomb raider etc had a huge jump in frames and 1% lows
this is good, if you keep watching more and more benchmark videos, eventually you'll be able to give very good hardware recommendations price to performance wise to other people or especially to people you know.
@@AeroFix94 i wasnt able to get the 5800x3d since its way more expensive than the 5700x3d, so i ended up buying the 5700x3d. I upgraded from ryzen 5 3600
@@zerozone5848 thats a very good upgrade from the 3600. Huge upgrade in fact. I did upgrade from 3600 to 5800X and that was also huge. Then from 5800X to X3D and even that jump was pretty big in some games even at 1440P.
As someone who upgraded from 5700X to X3D, I clearly saw performance increase in MMO games like World of Warcraft. During raid with 10-15 players or in a dense populated area where a bunch of players are present, I can see my fps is increased significantly. b450, 3090, max setting, 1440p
I went from a 3600 to a 5700X3D earlier this year, and it was absolutely worth it! Even 6 months later, my PC still just feels a bit more "smooth" on a build that's now almost 4 years old in total. It will probably continue to be enough to satisfy me until AM6 comes out sometime in the future.
In general Zen 3, regardless of vcache, feels smoother due to the unified CCD. I noticed the same thing when I moved from a 3950x to a 5950x even running a heavily VM and container concurrent dev workload. There was also a very large IPC uplift between Zen 2 and Zen 3, which heavily contributed to overall snappiness; clock for clock, Zen 3 cores are a lot faster than Zen 2.
im on a 5900x since launch so creeping on 4 years old build...and im going to sell it for a 5700x3d it will give my build some life before am5+ from a gaming standpoint. I think a lot of ppl are better off adapting a 21:9 oled monitor to their setup for pve/singleplayer titles. With variable refresh rate. Before considering a ddr5 platform imo until 2027+ Looking forward to adding BG3 to the library once i get that monitor as well as a few other titles.
For Workstation: 5700X For Gaming: 5700X3D For the middle ground compromise: 5700X ...because it's cheaper, cooler running (more energy efficient @full load) and outside of games... a tiny bit faster. I like both. They offer very good value
Great benchmark. I appreciate KCD being benchmarked here, since I've been playing it after the last few years of seeing it in your benchmarks occasionally
I went from a 5600 to 5700X 3D with my RX 7700 XT. I don't care about averages as they were solid with the 5600 but the lows seem higher now so smoother gameplay in general.
I currently run 5600 with 7800xt,saw ur comment,now me wants to upgrade to 5700x3d...will I be disappointed in playing triple A titles? and also not going to am5 (budget limited)
That was my experience with Cyberpunk when I got the 5700X3D. Have only had it a week so I haven't played anything else. But those gnarly frame drops you get when driving through Night City are a thing of the past.
@@Lurch-Bot The game design has to be able to take advantage of the increased cache size, which is most often useful if the engine makes reads from the disk as it transitions through map space. Happy it worked for you.
Thank you for testing games that actually test the draw call bandwidth limit while not having the best multi-threading implementations in them! BG3 and KC:D - all great examples of games with very subpar multi-threading support that force large sprawling vistas filled to the brim with geometry into the camera frustum at any convenient moment! Well, BG3 doesn't really do that all that much until the 3rd Act, but still, the city of Baldur's Gate is exactly the kinda load a 3D vertical cache is supposed to help with: loads of unique, non-instanced meshes, shaders, logic, and textures loading all at once saturating the PCI-E "bridge" between the CPU and the GPU! If we could see the entire picture (aka: all cores stats for the process in the OSD), it'd be easy to notice how in both games, the CPU is heavily underutilized, only ever straining between 6 and 8 CPU threads, hinting that the game engine lacks optimization for parallel rendering instructions execution to take advantage of all CPU cores and threads, accordingly. In contrast, you can look at games like Cyberpunk 2077 or even Starfield, which utilize as much of the CPU resources as they can. Yes, before you type an angry reply, Starfield has questionable use of those resources, given that a lion's share of those are spent on calculating persistent physics-based (and, in my opinion, mostly useless) clutter, and arguably poorly culled meshes, but undoubtedly it uses what it is given as much as it's possible. If you see the CPU not being used to 99% - it's fine, it's actually good to not have it pegged all the way. Otherwise, your system wouldn't have any room for OS background processes and you'd experience massive unbearable and permanent stutter. Those 15-20% of CPU not being fully saturated mean that the OS is doing stuff in the background healthily, and that most likely if the GPU core isn't the bottleneck, then the bottleneck is somewhere else. It can be GPU memory, it can be system RAM, it can be disk I/O, i.e. you're running the game off of an HDD or something like Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart off of a SATA SSD instead of a PCI-E one, which results in assets not being able to load into VRAM fast enough, so the system has to "wait" for I/O to catch up. In terms of the 5700X vs 5700X3D discussion, I think as always it heavily depends on which games you play personally. For example, I find myself playing a lot of older games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy and all the amazing community mods as well as heavily modded Bethesda games, from Morrowind (using OpenMW), to Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Skyrim:SE and Fallout 4. These games are older, and usually the best they can offer in terms of API support, is DX11. More often it's DX9. Now DX11 is very clumsy when it comes to handling large pools of rendering instructions as it lacks the level of parallelization realized in DX12 and Vulkan. For comparison, when the latter two can handle obscene amounts of draw calls in a scene, multiple tens of thousands, scaling pretty linearly without a hitch, DX11 crumbles and plummets into oblivion above anything in the lower teens of thousands. DX9/10 stops scaling adequately beyond 5-6 thousand. This is all gross oversimplification, but in essence, the 3D vertical cache on that Ryzen allows it to brute force some of those older games into behaving more adequately under super heavy draw call load, while also helping newer games which use DX11 as their primary API for whatever reason or have something wonky going on under the hood with the PSOs. Unfortunately, that 3D v-cache won't help if the problem lies not in rendering instructions overhead, but in, let's say, the game lacking a separate thread for physics calculations with that thread overbearing the CPU, or maybe some heavy logic is running on the same core as the rendering and physics threads. In those cases simply a faster clocked CPU would be a better fit. And herein lies the issue with the 5700X3D for me, personally. It's a CPU that would potentially solve some performance issues for me, while exacerbating others. It's the ultimate double-edged sword CPU. Ideally, someone like me would get a 7800X3D to solve all my woes at once, but a man can dream, while his wallet cries :D P.S. I think it's very important for people to understand why things do what they do. Computers have more parts than just a CPU and a GPU, and every part matters to a degree. They exist in a hierarchy, and given how vastly different and diverse computer applications are, you are bound to find that the "weakest link" of your PC is actually dynamic in nature and dependent on a particular application you're running. Thanks a ton for the video, Steve! I've been watching your channel for many years at this point, been subscribed since forever! Remember when you had just under 10k subs, to think you grew to over half a million is awesome and incredible to think about! I hope you're getting a kick out of it and hope to see many more videos from you in the future!
My AM4 platform still going strong after 7 years. Recently upgraded to 5700x since I only game at 4k ultra. This will hold good atleast for another 6 years 😊
I went from a 3600 to a 5700X3D and my goodness what an upgrade. I love it. I also took a chance and bought it from AliExpress and got it for around 130 USD. Its been 3 months and everything is fine so far. Best upgrade for my rig.
Upgraded from 5700x to 5700x3d a month ago and the general stability and smoothness in games makes all the difference. If you are on AM4 and play simulation games or large scale shooters x3d is very worth it.
Oh no, I have a 3600 cpu and 6800 gpu. Just got the 5700x in the mail today. Having some buyers remorse, before installing, but hopefully it will still be an upgrade, mostly play apex. It was the 150 vs 220 price that got me.
@@impulsgaming7101 1440p mostly high settings at 120 frames average hoping a new CPU gets me to my 140 cap. Just got the CPU yesterday and it came in an open box and the CPU in the window was a 5800x looked used so I'm sending it back anyway. might consider instead x3d now.
@@RandomGaminginHDim planning to get myself a build early next year.. Im confused about building a new rig on ddr4 what do u suggest should I or maybe wait a little bit more since 7500f is not available here ali express is banned so ni shipping and 7600 and 7600x are about $250+
i upgraded from an R5 1600 to an R7 5700x 6 months ago (in april 2024) i could do that upgrade retaining the stock R5 1600 wraith cooler (later upgraded to ID Cooling SE-903-SD aftermarket solution for quieter and better performance) and not worrying about extra power consumption and heat. I know almost all boards including A320 are rated for almost every 5000 series cpu, nevertheless i wouldn't consider wise to go beyond 65w TDP CPU on a 1st gen B350 or A320 AM4 mobo... and the best gaming and productivity CPU you can get on 65w TDP for AM4 is the R7 5700x 5700X3D, 5800X, 5800XT and 5800X3D all of these 8 cores CPU outperforms 5700x in gaming (and many of them also in productivity) but you are getting a hotter more power hungry CPU... and in these cases you require a decent mid range aftermarket cooling solution and a decent airflow in the case... that might add up to $40 extra bucks + extra problems to the build, with the chance of requiring a complete new case and/or PSU While on the other hand R7 5700g and R7 5700 are even worse than R7 3700x in both productivity and gaming... so... i still consider R7 5700x the king of the AM4 socket... Pretty much like Fx 8320e is the king of the Am3+, since it is a 95w TDP cpu that can be thrown on way many boards than the better performer Fx8350/70 and the Fx9000 series, and will do just fine with a smaller cooling solution.
I tend to agree with you - with 65W consumption, I am aiming to further lower my current 95W R5 2600X which I undervolted (just by a smidge yet it works just nice). I am not that much of a gamer but with 3070Ti, I guess I wont have problems in the next 2 to 3 years with upcoming games - at least in 1080p. So yeah, keeping my PC running cold and silent is my main priority while doing some music production, light gaming (SWTOR) and so...
Because the silicon is now thicker, it hampers heat transfer abit. But 5700X3D only max out at 4.05Ghz for all cores workload. Certainly can do -30 on CO to get around 1.1V vcore.
You can't always rely on software power monitoring. If the X3D runs warmer, it is likely using more power. (since they have the same heatspreader/cooler) The temperature is a byproduct of the power/energy consumption. The 3D V-cache does use some extra power, besides the core power, which is making the whole CPU hotter (that cache power is probably not monitored in afterburner).
Hey @RandomGamingInHD you said there wouldn’t be a difference between the two CPUs if they were paired with a lower end GPU. I think it depends on the game in that. I wish someone would test this. So I went from a ryzen 5 3600 to the 5700X3D. And I play BeamNG exclusively. This game is VERY cpu intensive, and multi threaded intensive. But only have an RTX 3050. I personally like playing the BeamMP multi player version, and when your in a room with 10+ people on the 3600 I would have to turn it down to ultra low settings 1080p to barely get 30fps with v sync on. After the upgrade, I’m now on medium to high settings, 60+ fps v sync, it was a GIANT upgrade. And what’s crazy is if I go into the 15 person servers, before that would have been 7-10FPS, and it’s still 60fps with this. The game is very threaded heavy because I believe its one thread per car. I’ve heard of people using a RTX 4090 in this game but with an Intel cpu that only had 6 p cores, the e cores aren’t usable in this game and that person was also getting 15fps same as me despite my rtx 3050. I wish more RUclipsrs did low end to medium range GPU tests with different CPUs because that’s what the average person is going to experience.
0:23 only 3 pounds more?? That’s a steal! It costs nearly 30 USD more from where I’m looking at it, the X being around $115 and the X3D being $140-$145 😢
For gaming I would say either go cheap with 5600X or go with 5700X3D. Both are still great, but 5700X3D is good if you aren't satisfied with just 60fps, or want some kind of future proof system.
Fun fact, if you are stuck with slow ram, then you'll be happy that its not as important to have fast ram on the 3D variant as it is on the non 3D regular CPU (lot of people get hyped about needing fast ram on Ryzen)
stuck or "stuck" ? you can push pretty much all semi modern DDR4 modules to the common memory controller limit of 3800MT/s. Takes maybe 3 hour tuning and a overnight stability test or 2.
If I decide to rock am4 for my next upgrade, I'm grabbing the 5700x3d. I was going to anyway because the 5600x3d and 5800x3d are micro center exclusive (the closest to me is about 5 hours away). This decision is even more likely because the other 5000x3d chips are now discontinued.
I just installed a 5700X3D last night to replace my 5600X on my aging ASRock B450m Pro motherboard. Very nice performance boosts in most games and synthetic benchmarks, long live AM4!
@@Leon12V You don't have to reset your bios, just uninstall the chipset drivers so they don't conflict with the new ones you'll need for the new CPU :)
Thanks for the vid, I'll stick with my 5700x non 3D as I doubt on my midrange GPU I'd see enough difference to bother, and that money can be better spent getting a better GPU down the line.
Thanks for the video. 5700X3D owner here. Have it paired with an RX 7800 XT. I think 12400F/13400F/5600x and the likes are fine upto about RX 7700 XT levels. More GPU power than that I would go faster CPU. Like 5700X3D. Oh, btw I run my 5700X3D with minus 30 PBO on all cores. rock stable and boosts constantly to 4.05GHz under load. And uses upto about 80 Watts. I heard most/if not all 5700X3Ds will do minus 30 PBO just fine
I initially regretted purchasing the 5700X3D to upgrade from the 5700X. After doing a lot of gaming on the 5700X3D, there was noticeable improvement in FPS and overall smoothness. The 5700X3D is definitely worth it.
@@kasperbrown4145 you went from 16mb to 96mb of cache. Id hope the difference was felt there. Thing is.. the x3d CPU is clocked much lower than the other CPUs. In situations that need frequency, the x3d can absolutely be a regression in performance. This is why the 9000x3d is going to be a good jump over 7000x3d. 9000x3d will have basically the same frequency as the non x3d so the uplift for vcache will be much higher than with previous vcache releases. 5700x to x3d should be 10% and maybe 20% for lows but -10% for production tasks.
@@christophermullins7163 The low clock speed put me off at first. I still bought it and i must say, it smooth sailing. Beats the 5600x in everything i do.
You're very creative with your ideas for videos, it costs a lot of money to be able to make a video like this. 5700X3D has an excellent price-to-performance ratio these days.
1:58 Honestly I really needed to hear this. I was so close to buying it but that statement gave me a reality check. No doubt the 5700x3D offers great value but I guess it's not for me (for now at least).
Still Rocking my R7 5700X and it holds strong to this day. When I think about AMDs latest CPU today the 9000 Series I suddenly feel old😶. I still love my CPU tho. This is going to be my final AM4 build before switching to the AM5 socket in the future
So glad I went for the X3D, was a little worried because of the clock speed, but your video made it clear that clock speed isn't everything! I did order it from Aliexpress to save some cash, fingers crossed!
I have a 5800X3D and upgraded from a 5600X. BF1 took a big advantage, I had a 3060Ti and the 5600X slightly bottlenecked in some CPU intensive game engines (2560x1440, 144hz) Tarkov also benefits from much tighter frametimes. Where the 3D cache is utilised properly it's a great improvement! The 5800X3D will be running for a good few years yet!
i have a 5700x, 1440p 144hz monitor and 6700xt This video is so useful because i was aking if a 5700x3d would make sense as an upgrade to smooth out some games. I think overall isn't worth it, those non-3d 4,6ghz are doing well vs "only" 4.1ghz x3d... probably i'll keep my 5700x and wait some time until i'll find a used 5800x3d (new is not avaialble anymore)
@@DamyLv A 3D will certainly be better with that 6700xt. I didn’t realize it till after trying a 5800x3D vs my 5900x. Then sold both and put in a 5800x as a placeholder till AM5. That 3D was the clear winner even with a 6700xt. What I noticed the most is my GPU utilization and sustained FPS. My main game then BF4 and my FPS maintained 200 (game cap) much more of the time. I have since moved on all my main builds to AM5 but still have a $140 used 5700x3D out in the garage with a 3060ti on 1080p 180hz.
Upgraded from a 5700G. I used to lag in The Finals, during busy combats. Now with the 5700X3D it's very smooth, it was quite the upgrade for a very affordable price
@@monedg2471you really should shop for deals and get a gen4 b550 board if you move up to the 5700x3D. Yes the G chips are trash with only 16mb of cache. Double you cache with a 5700x or 6x cache with 5700x3D. But you can swap out board for cheap and windows reload isn’t needed. Just uninstall chipset, video, audio , lan drivers FIRST before you shut down pc to swap boards out.
Upgraded to a 5700x when they were discounted at the start of the year before the 3D came out and was a bit gutted i didn't wait! But i'll take comfort in my 75W capped 5700x and enjoy the energy savings :)
Very timely video as im planning to upgrade from my somewhat tired 3600. Thing still runs great with a very healthy 4.4ghz OC but it just isnt fast enough in some scenarios. Im gonna need a CPU upgrade anyway since a 2k 180Hz monitor is arriving next week. Cant wait to see more than 75Hz on a big screen.
Its going to feel like a night and day difference. Definitely if you are the type of person who can actually tell when a game is microstuttering and its 1% lows are far below the "regular" framerate. Even in games where the big fat number stays the same those 1% lows are going to be so much closer and stable. I went from a 3600x to a 5600x and even that was a crazy difference, then I upgraded to a 5800x3d and it was another huge jump in smoothness. So expect some truly wonderful gains (GPU is a 3080 if wondering)
Just remember, if you're hitting your intended FPS and monitors refresh rate. Dont stress cause of higher numbers on paper. Thats unhealthy. And a waste of money.
I made a similar mistake when I went from a 1700 to a 5600x bit before the 3d versions came out too. I also wish I had waited haha. My 1700 was slowly dying from being pinned to the wall with a high OC for a long time so I had to get something sooner rather than later.
The 5700X was in my backup PC paired with a RX 7600 XT and it had a lot of unlocked overclocking parameters in the AMD Adrenalin Software. When I installed the 5700X3D the CPU section of AMD Adrenalin Software was not present. All you can do with the X3D is use PBO in the BIOS which is fine because the X3D are tuned at the factory.
@@ralphpurves AMD Adrenalin Software incorporates a cut down Ryzen Master only if the CPU is designed for OC. My Ryzen 5600 / RX 6700 XT shows both GPU and CPU parameters but no CPU on any X3D CPUs I own.
If you set anything in the PBO related to PPT EDC, TDC , the 5700X3D will get stuck at 3.6Ghz. The only you should do as an owner of that CPU is to set the Curve Optimizer to -30 for all cores. That's it, guarantee you to run at 4050Mhz for all cores in games. Default vcore is too high for a max single core boost 4.15Ghz CPU .
Just switched from a 5800x to a 5800x3d, even with DR 4000c14 the improvement in frametimes is insane in some games. In the finals especially average fps barely changed but during heavy destruction there is a significant amount of reduction in the stutters almost eliminating them.
Those 1% lows man, you can throw out that average fps number out and just rely on the 1% lows to see if you're going to have a good time. Its why I love the x3d cpus, they are so amazing for keeping those 1% lows (stutters) up and stable
I can't remember if you've ever covered it, but you can squeeze even more performance out of these Ryzen chips by undervolting. I think I did a -15 all over undervolt in the curve optimizer and it greatly improved the temps and boost clocks. I have seen some people lose the silicon lottery though and aren't able to undervolt very much, and you may get like some cores that are fine undervolting and some aren't.
I considered the X3D version when I needed an upgrade, decided that I couldn't justify the roughly €90 increase in price at the time. Paired with an RX 7800 XT I can't say I feel I did the wrong thing, especially not after seeing how well the 5700X overclocks. With PBO and Curve Optimizer enabled it now boosts to 4.9 GHz and I see about 100% GPU utilisation in most games that I play. It was also a calculated saving toward AM5 upgrade down the line as the 7800X3D is doing a bit better than the AM4 X3D options.
Thanks for this, I'm running a 3600 right now but I plan to upgrade to a 5700x3d within the next year or two, for now even the 3600 holds up remarkably well.
Wow ... I did not expect such a sizeable difference in performance. I'm using a 3700x3D - 6700xt combination myself and I am really happy with it; great performance for an excellent price.
This will be the processor for my next build! Used AM4 chips are finally getting cheaper. I prioritize core count and cache over frequency and efficiency and Broadwell Xeons and 5000 series X3D chips are my favorite! ❤❤❤
almost all, if not all 5700X3Ds can run at least PBO at -30 for all cores. This makes it more into a 65 Watt part. It will actually use less power than a 5600x with no PBO. So the 5700X3D is a very efficient CPU for gaming.
Thanks for this video, I was on the fence between the two (upgrading from a 2600), and the price difference is 50 eur. Gaming is just a small part of my workload and I've got a limiting RTX2070 as well, making it an easy pick for the much cheaper 5700X. The performance difference VS the 2600 is staggering. Nearly doubled both cinebench scores, well worth it.
Super timely video as from what I have heard AMD is discontinuing production on the 5800X3D. This means that going forward the 5700X3D should be the fastest gaming AM4 chip in production and generally available for purchase new.
I seriously can't wait for a 9950x3d to release. I was incredibly hesitant to buy a 7950x3d because of the core parking problems I heard alot about, instead I went 12900k and plan to sell it and the motherboard for the 9950x3d ok its release. Good video! I love 3d v cache
Newegg had a crazy deal on the 5700X3D and 5800X a few weeks ago, they were massively discounted, just under $200 for the 5700X3d and $128 for the 5800X and they both had 32GB DDR4 3200 kits bundled with them.
@@fleurdewin7958 Luckily with the x3d chips RAM speed is less of a issue than with the standard versions. Something about how the L3 cache and memory bus works on the x3d models that reduces the amount of gain from RAM speed.
So for longevity the X3D would be best if you want to hold onto AM4 longer and either go to the end of AM5 or just skip to AM6. I thought the 105w of the X3D would make it consume more power or be much hotter, but doesn't seem like it at all. What CPU cooler did you use? Would be nice if it's tested with an air cooler, and cool if the tests had a small side testing limiting at 60/75/120/144FPS just for watt/temp checks. I still limit games to 60 just because I don't want a space heater in already +30C ambient temp.
I went from a 5600 to the 5700x3d and do not regret it at all. Sure in some games its not a large change, but when its better, its BETTER. Putting on low settings to hit a high frame rate is far better with the 3d version. Theres definitely more games you could test that show the consistency gains more but overall, great video.
I am honestly shocked by the difference, not just in FPS but the actual frametime graph. Even if the FPS isn't significantly higher, it will feel smoother. I love my 5600X but really wish I could replace it with a 5800X3D.
Going from a 5600G to a 5700X3D, keeping everything else, fixed the incredibly annoying audio crackling issue I had when the PC was under certain loads. Haven't even played a game yet, just been editing videos now that the audio doesn't get garbled when I try to play a clip.
Hi, should I upgrade my ryzen 5 2600x + 1070ti pc to 5700x3D + 1070ti? I have planned to use my 1070ti gpu at least 2 more years if the 5700x3d is appropriate for it. After that I will go for 4070 or 5070 gpu. Need your assistance..
I feel like the real use case for these chips is vr applications, having to render a scene at 90hz (twice) is very hard and i personally felt an enormous uplift from my 5600 when i moved upto a 5800x3d, was almost night and day how much smoother games like pavlov or vrchat run on that processor. same 1070 ti on both instances but the 3d cache eats un-optimized game engines for breakfast.
1% and .1% lows are absolutely imperative for VR and 1% lows are the x3d's main party trick. You can get a R9 5950x (16 core monster) and a 5800x3d will actually outperform it in games just cause the 3dv cache. Now in some games the 5950x will actually have better average fps but the 1% lows will be so much better on the x3d chip meaning you actually "feel" smoother fps. For absolutely smooth VR you want you 1% lows to be at or above 90fps at all times, as anything lower and you are no longer getting a actual 90fps experience (even if the average fps states you are getting something like 160fps)
I swapped my 5800x for the 5700x3d as I was looking to upgrade my kid's pc with the 5800x. I play at 4k with a 6950XT and I haven't noticed much difference in games. It was more of side grade.
Are you gaming with a high refresh rate monitor and are you using KBM or controllers? Having used both those cpus as well as the 5800x3d you should be noticing a huge uplift in 1% lows (ie smoothness) in at least 50% of your games. Talking like a whole 10-20fps difference here. Now averages might be the same but tbh you never ever feel those. What you "feel" is that 1% low (lower that number from your average the more frequent and harsh microstuttering you are getting). And to explain the KBM or Controller bit is that if you're using a controller I can understand not feeling a difference as a controller is a very delayed, non immersive way of interacting, whereas a mouse gives direct immediate control and you will tend to feel much more of said difference.
AMD struck gold with these x3D chips. I have a ryzen 5 3600 with an RTX 3060 ti and i was planning to upgrade 5700x3d when the price drops down. I almost bought one when a local retailer in Canada had these for in store purchase only for 200 CAD ~(145$ USD) but they were sold out when i got there.
You cannot wait any longer to buy one. Stock is running low. They are now $209.99USD on Amazon, up almost 30% from the Prime Day special price I bought it at. If you don't mind a Chinese market one (will likely not be as good silicon as a NA market one), they are around $144 US currently. But, like I said. Don't wait any longer if you want one. It is a great way to keep your AM4 system going a few more years. You can run a 4090 just fine on a 5700X3D. And, even on a 3060Ti, it is going to make a substantial improvement over the 3600.
I literally upgraded to a 5700x3D yesterday from a 3600, and I'm only seeing a 5fps increase in Cyberpunk at high settings, 1440p. I'm using a RX6800 and 32GB ram as well. Does this sound right? I feel like I should be expecting a bit more...
@@AlexanderWinship I had that same GPU and 5600x. I was getting 40 fps at 100% CPU load and would stutter from time to time. That doesn't happen with a 5700x3d, I would hope.
Seems like if you're going for gaming only, you should get the X3D, but if you're doing more workstation tasks or editing/rendering etc then you should probably stick to the non-3D. What I find strange though is that for Ryzen 5000 Series they did not make a R9 X3D variant, unlike the R7 5800X3D. At least for AM5 they made a R7 7800X3D and a R9 7950X3D meaning you can get the best of gaming and productivity by going with the Ryzen 9 X3D chip.
I did a similar upgrade a year or so ago. 5800x to 5800x3D. Difference was night and day, initially paired with a 3090, then 4090…. Running MSFS 2020 exclusively in VR, and the stutters simply vanished with the x3D. Have only just replaced that system with a 9800x3D - which is another leap in performance. Waiting on the 5090 to be launched to pair up. The headroom the x3D chips give in being able to feed the GPUs reliably makes a huge difference in VR.
Recently upgraded from 1600AF to 5700x3d, comparatively now it is truly snappy, overclocked Micron Rev. E to 3733 as well as undervolted it and it does not get over 70 on heavy loads :) Heard that there is a difference in performance in different windows 10 bieng better, in which did you test the processors?
I currently have 5700x (bought it overpriced at start(300eur), "upgraded" from 9600k. I'm not satisfied with ryzen performance, not gonna buy 5700x3D either(it's 185 eur in my country). It works worse than my 9600k(at 5 ghz) in windows, performance gain in most games was negligible, but it handles virtual machines better (8/16 vs 6/6). I was hoping that the new Intel Ultra processors would be better, but judging by the tests, they remained at the same level as the previous ones, but with greater memory delays due to the chiplet architecture. Now i have to buy 14600K (which is renamed 13600K, 2 years old CPU). I wish I had bought 12600k + Z690 instead of Ryzen 5700x + B550. Ryzen is power hungry in idle (25-30W vs 5-10 on Intel), it's harder to pull heat from chiplet, on same wattage Intel is cooler.
IMHO as a game dev with CS major I think the 3D cache part is most useful in task where branching instruction aka if else, so benchmark runs wont make much difference as they are only predetermined instructions. The high FPS difference are in actual gameplay with heavy if else logic like AI and gameplay interaction.
I'm having trouble finding many 5800X3Ds for sale in the UK, there used to be loads of them around. Now the 5700X3D is everywhere and as low as £170. I've got a 5800X and wanted to jump on the 5800X3D before AM4 was finally buried, but I'm not sure if the 5700X3D still a worthwhile upgrade?
In your comparisons, did you notice the new cpu ever coming close to it's max TDP? Because it seemed pretty close to the non-3d for power in your video. Do you think it's a bios limitation of your testbed?
Huh, Cool. Currently on my first build i built back in 2022. 7 5700x and a 3060ti, 32 ram. Always wondered if x3D was worth it to upgrade but i feel like i have absolutely no need to mess with anything (except i went up from 16 of RAM). Was cool to see my rig be over the required and recommended (or between the two) of games releasing. Coming from a HP Omen Laptop with a 1050 and a 7th gen i7 from 2017.
Can you test "older games" in 4k with new, "weak" GPUs, not often on max settings, but some sort optimised? Also SM2 with the scene, where you help keep bugs in place before bombardment is really heavy on CPU, so it would be nice to test some CPUs there. i3 12100 has something like 40-50 FPS at 100% utilization.
Have the same set up with the 3D model and 4080 super. It's a good combo that has a lot of flexibility to be able to handle loads of different resolutions and settings depending on the game type. Was a very effective upgrade from my 5600x for sure
I think it's important to note what type of GPU you are using to compare both CPUs. Not a lot of people understand that it's only worth going for an X3D chip if you are GPU bound. That's where the extra FPS will come from
I recently upgraded my husband from an R5 1600 and GTX 1050ti 4gb to an R7 5700x and RX 6600XT. His needs are pretty modest (doesn't really play anything more demanding than WoW and does a little bit of video rendering) so he's been very happy with the upgrade and it should last him a good while. The low TDP of the 5700x was a big point in its favor. He also *finally* let me move him to an SSD, which was just a massive upgrade for him.
I was hoping for this. I had a 5600x that I swapped up to a 5700x3d and it was an excellent decision. I was already swapping gear and had enough leftovers from other builds that it cost me nothing outside of clearing some old tech. I had been holding out for a 5800x3d but I wont stay in this chipset long enough to pay for the performance difference. Not paying is always a better result.
I have a 5600X and an RTX 3070. Unfortunately, this setup doesn’t allow me to comfortably play my main game, New World: Aeternum, on my 4K TV. I’m considering upgrading the GPU to an RTX 4080 Super. Is it worth upgrading the CPU to the 5700X3D for 2K and 4K gaming? If so, will the Arctic Freezer A35 A-RGB be sufficient to cool this 105W CPU?
I wonder what the difference would be at 1440p and 4k as that would be the deciding factor whether or not to upgrade for someone with a 57/58/59xx chip going to an X3D
Got mine for $126 off aliexpress during a sale, couldn't be happier with it. However I have a question which is my GPU. Im currently using a GTX 980 Ti (yes I know its bottlenecking a bit) and I want to upgrade. Im more than open to used market gpu suggestions, and my budget is around $350, however I use a s300 mini itx case which can only fit dual slot gpus under 300mm. What is the best option, or should I wait for black Friday to buy a new GPU for the price I mentioned or even wait maybe for the rtx 5000 series to drop so the prices go down on some cards? Im fine right now with my current GPU just wanted to ask for suggestions about upgrading for good :)
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Just upgraded from a Ryzen 1600 and Vega 56 to a 5700x3D and 6700XT. Easily getting atleast double the framerates in most games, some have even tripled. (70-90 in PUBG on the 1600. Now closer to 150-180). The fact Im still using my budget Asrock AB350M is a huge testament to how good this platform is/was.
admirable the support asrock gave to that mobo, most only gave support from b450 and more recent
I started with a 1300x on an a320 Mobo, upgraded to a 3600 and now 5700x3d. Works like a charm on a board I got brand new for $50 back in 2017.
@@arch1107 Classic AM4 longevity. I'm still rocking an A320M also from Asrock since 2018 and have used a 1200, 3600, and now a 5800X3D. Still have BIOS updates at the latest from 2023
Very funny because this is my upgrade path, except I have an r5 2600 and used to have an rx 580. Same motherboard too. Glad to hear it's good!
last week i upgraded from 1700 to 5700x should last me for few more years
You added Kingdom Come Deliverance! THANK YOU! :D
Amazing improvement from AMD, KKD was a nightmare with the old FX processors !
One of my favourite games!
Finally, a CPU that can handle the game...6 years after launch.
HENRY'S COME TO SEE US!
KCD II hype!
I was actually wanting to see a video comparing these two chips ngl. Thanks for video man!
Ngl? Why would you even lie about something like this. Internet has ruined the way people talk and comment these days.
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@@Tomazack heh? Bro I was genuinely looking for a comparison between these cpus after I saw a mention of these two in a different video (i forgot which one but maybe a video by ltt or a yt short)
@Tomazack bro relax man this is youtube
I recently upgraded from a 5600 to a 5700X3D and it was totally worth it. It ironed out a lot of the stuttering I was having in games like hogwarts and cyberpunk. Hoping it'll last a good few years to come yet, especially at 4k
Im on a 5600x and i'm not upgrading to a 5700X3D because there's like 0 difference in playing at 4K, biggest difference is at 1080p, mild difference at 1440p
Did the same upgrade and can confirm it's a noticeable difference in CPU bound games.
@HoretzYT it's about the 1% lows and stuttering at higher resolution so it does matter. I upgraded the 5600 to the 5700x3d and in ghosts of tsushima everything went super smooth. I also game at 1440 and 4k so big difference.
@@HoretzYT Depending on your GPU it can make a massive difference even at 4k. I'm on a 3090 so it really has the ability to stretch its legs with the X3D. Even older games like DX-MD, Shadow of the tomb raider etc had a huge jump in frames and 1% lows
@@HoretzYT 1% lows will improve even @ 4k.
Idk why i watch these, i use a 7800x3d personally but for some reason i just love benchmark videos. Keep up the good work :D
me too. Im using the 5800X3D. Upgraded from a 5800X. I found the X3D for a good price then sold the X, so it was a no brainer.
this is good, if you keep watching more and more benchmark videos, eventually you'll be able to give very good hardware recommendations price to performance wise to other people or especially to people you know.
@@AeroFix94 i wasnt able to get the 5800x3d since its way more expensive than the 5700x3d, so i ended up buying the 5700x3d. I upgraded from ryzen 5 3600
@@zerozone5848 thats a very nice upgrade from the 3600. I did almost the same upgrade back then from 3600 to 5800X :)
@@zerozone5848 thats a very good upgrade from the 3600. Huge upgrade in fact.
I did upgrade from 3600 to 5800X and that was also huge. Then from 5800X to X3D and even that jump was pretty big in some games even at 1440P.
As someone who upgraded from 5700X to X3D, I clearly saw performance increase in MMO games like World of Warcraft.
During raid with 10-15 players or in a dense populated area where a bunch of players are present, I can see my fps is increased significantly.
b450, 3090, max setting, 1440p
how does it perform on Dornogal? I have an i5 13400 and the fps deeps to the mig 50's
Is that dx9 mmo game?
@@kevinerbs2778 its a dx12 game now, but its heavily cpu bound
@@epikfayt4510 the pcie gen barely matters in performance, this has already been tested, nobody should buy a new motherboard solely to have pcie gen 4
@@sc_3433 maybe - try wow with a nvidia 730 2 gb DDR4 in city and you feel the pain
I went from a 3600 to a 5700X3D earlier this year, and it was absolutely worth it! Even 6 months later, my PC still just feels a bit more "smooth" on a build that's now almost 4 years old in total. It will probably continue to be enough to satisfy me until AM6 comes out sometime in the future.
In general Zen 3, regardless of vcache, feels smoother due to the unified CCD. I noticed the same thing when I moved from a 3950x to a 5950x even running a heavily VM and container concurrent dev workload. There was also a very large IPC uplift between Zen 2 and Zen 3, which heavily contributed to overall snappiness; clock for clock, Zen 3 cores are a lot faster than Zen 2.
Im gonna do the same. From 3600 1660ti to 5700x3d Rx 7800 xt 4 years also! Cant wait
im on a 5900x since launch so creeping on 4 years old build...and im going to sell it for a 5700x3d it will give my build some life before am5+ from a gaming standpoint. I think a lot of ppl are better off adapting a 21:9 oled monitor to their setup for pve/singleplayer titles. With variable refresh rate. Before considering a ddr5 platform imo until 2027+ Looking forward to adding BG3 to the library once i get that monitor as well as a few other titles.
I also went from 3600 to 5700X3D and every single game is running much higher FPS and is considerably smoother.
AM6 will not be out for a good while. AS AMD did say they'll try and keep on AM5 with updating firmware, Bios 🤷♂
For Workstation: 5700X
For Gaming: 5700X3D
For the middle ground compromise: 5700X ...because it's cheaper, cooler running (more energy efficient @full load) and outside of games... a tiny bit faster.
I like both. They offer very good value
Great benchmark. I appreciate KCD being benchmarked here, since I've been playing it after the last few years of seeing it in your benchmarks occasionally
One of the best games around!
I went from a 5600 to 5700X 3D with my RX 7700 XT. I don't care about averages as they were solid with the 5600 but the lows seem higher now so smoother gameplay in general.
I currently run 5600 with 7800xt,saw ur comment,now me wants to upgrade to 5700x3d...will I be disappointed in playing triple A titles? and also not going to am5 (budget limited)
Depends on the game, but for Starfield it made a big difference in smoothness for the wife's build.
Yeah in some games the difference will be huge
Tarkov as well
That was my experience with Cyberpunk when I got the 5700X3D. Have only had it a week so I haven't played anything else. But those gnarly frame drops you get when driving through Night City are a thing of the past.
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@@Lurch-Bot The game design has to be able to take advantage of the increased cache size, which is most often useful if the engine makes reads from the disk as it transitions through map space.
Happy it worked for you.
Thank you for testing games that actually test the draw call bandwidth limit while not having the best multi-threading implementations in them!
BG3 and KC:D - all great examples of games with very subpar multi-threading support that force large sprawling vistas filled to the brim with geometry into the camera frustum at any convenient moment! Well, BG3 doesn't really do that all that much until the 3rd Act, but still, the city of Baldur's Gate is exactly the kinda load a 3D vertical cache is supposed to help with: loads of unique, non-instanced meshes, shaders, logic, and textures loading all at once saturating the PCI-E "bridge" between the CPU and the GPU!
If we could see the entire picture (aka: all cores stats for the process in the OSD), it'd be easy to notice how in both games, the CPU is heavily underutilized, only ever straining between 6 and 8 CPU threads, hinting that the game engine lacks optimization for parallel rendering instructions execution to take advantage of all CPU cores and threads, accordingly.
In contrast, you can look at games like Cyberpunk 2077 or even Starfield, which utilize as much of the CPU resources as they can. Yes, before you type an angry reply, Starfield has questionable use of those resources, given that a lion's share of those are spent on calculating persistent physics-based (and, in my opinion, mostly useless) clutter, and arguably poorly culled meshes, but undoubtedly it uses what it is given as much as it's possible. If you see the CPU not being used to 99% - it's fine, it's actually good to not have it pegged all the way. Otherwise, your system wouldn't have any room for OS background processes and you'd experience massive unbearable and permanent stutter.
Those 15-20% of CPU not being fully saturated mean that the OS is doing stuff in the background healthily, and that most likely if the GPU core isn't the bottleneck, then the bottleneck is somewhere else. It can be GPU memory, it can be system RAM, it can be disk I/O, i.e. you're running the game off of an HDD or something like Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart off of a SATA SSD instead of a PCI-E one, which results in assets not being able to load into VRAM fast enough, so the system has to "wait" for I/O to catch up.
In terms of the 5700X vs 5700X3D discussion, I think as always it heavily depends on which games you play personally. For example, I find myself playing a lot of older games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. trilogy and all the amazing community mods as well as heavily modded Bethesda games, from Morrowind (using OpenMW), to Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Skyrim:SE and Fallout 4. These games are older, and usually the best they can offer in terms of API support, is DX11. More often it's DX9.
Now DX11 is very clumsy when it comes to handling large pools of rendering instructions as it lacks the level of parallelization realized in DX12 and Vulkan. For comparison, when the latter two can handle obscene amounts of draw calls in a scene, multiple tens of thousands, scaling pretty linearly without a hitch, DX11 crumbles and plummets into oblivion above anything in the lower teens of thousands. DX9/10 stops scaling adequately beyond 5-6 thousand.
This is all gross oversimplification, but in essence, the 3D vertical cache on that Ryzen allows it to brute force some of those older games into behaving more adequately under super heavy draw call load, while also helping newer games which use DX11 as their primary API for whatever reason or have something wonky going on under the hood with the PSOs. Unfortunately, that 3D v-cache won't help if the problem lies not in rendering instructions overhead, but in, let's say, the game lacking a separate thread for physics calculations with that thread overbearing the CPU, or maybe some heavy logic is running on the same core as the rendering and physics threads. In those cases simply a faster clocked CPU would be a better fit.
And herein lies the issue with the 5700X3D for me, personally. It's a CPU that would potentially solve some performance issues for me, while exacerbating others. It's the ultimate double-edged sword CPU. Ideally, someone like me would get a 7800X3D to solve all my woes at once, but a man can dream, while his wallet cries :D
P.S. I think it's very important for people to understand why things do what they do. Computers have more parts than just a CPU and a GPU, and every part matters to a degree. They exist in a hierarchy, and given how vastly different and diverse computer applications are, you are bound to find that the "weakest link" of your PC is actually dynamic in nature and dependent on a particular application you're running.
Thanks a ton for the video, Steve! I've been watching your channel for many years at this point, been subscribed since forever! Remember when you had just under 10k subs, to think you grew to over half a million is awesome and incredible to think about! I hope you're getting a kick out of it and hope to see many more videos from you in the future!
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Great reading for me. Thank you.
My AM4 platform still going strong after 7 years. Recently upgraded to 5700x since I only game at 4k ultra. This will hold good atleast for another 6 years 😊
What gpu do you use for 4K?
@dcviii rtx 4080 super
@ thanks mate. Considering moving up to 4K monitor. Currently have a 4070 Super, considering the RTX 5080 when it’s available
@@dcviii if you are upgrading monitor make sure you buy an OLED. It makes a bigger difference than upgrading gpu.
@@aridgp1 yeah going OLED for sure
I went from a 3600 to a 5700X3D and my goodness what an upgrade. I love it. I also took a chance and bought it from AliExpress and got it for around 130 USD. Its been 3 months and everything is fine so far. Best upgrade for my rig.
Upgraded from 5700x to 5700x3d a month ago and the general stability and smoothness in games makes all the difference. If you are on AM4 and play simulation games or large scale shooters x3d is very worth it.
You play at 1080p of 1440p mate?:)
@@impulsgaming7101 1440p low when playing competitive but high in other scenarios
Oh no, I have a 3600 cpu and 6800 gpu. Just got the 5700x in the mail today. Having some buyers remorse, before installing, but hopefully it will still be an upgrade, mostly play apex. It was the 150 vs 220 price that got me.
@ you Play in Full HD ist WQHD?
@@impulsgaming7101 1440p mostly high settings at 120 frames average hoping a new CPU gets me to my 140 cap. Just got the CPU yesterday and it came in an open box and the CPU in the window was a 5800x looked used so I'm sending it back anyway. might consider instead x3d now.
x3d truly is a blessing for gaming
I'm happy to see my R7 5700x holding up good. 😁
Still pretty solid
I am still good with my 5600G. Low power consumption, offers great gaming experience
@@RandomGaminginHDim planning to get myself a build early next year..
Im confused about building a new rig on ddr4 what do u suggest should I or maybe wait a little bit more since 7500f is not available here ali express is banned so ni shipping and 7600 and 7600x are about $250+
It's a processor from 2022, it's supposed to hold for 2 years no problem
Damn... I'm rocking Ryzen 7 3700x since 2020
Might do an upgrade sometime in future, but i won't be letting go AM4 yet.
i upgraded from an R5 1600 to an R7 5700x 6 months ago (in april 2024)
i could do that upgrade retaining the stock R5 1600 wraith cooler (later upgraded to ID Cooling SE-903-SD aftermarket solution for quieter and better performance) and not worrying about extra power consumption and heat. I know almost all boards including A320 are rated for almost every 5000 series cpu, nevertheless i wouldn't consider wise to go beyond 65w TDP CPU on a 1st gen B350 or A320 AM4 mobo... and the best gaming and productivity CPU you can get on 65w TDP for AM4 is the R7 5700x
5700X3D, 5800X, 5800XT and 5800X3D all of these 8 cores CPU outperforms 5700x in gaming (and many of them also in productivity) but you are getting a hotter more power hungry CPU... and in these cases you require a decent mid range aftermarket cooling solution and a decent airflow in the case... that might add up to $40 extra bucks + extra problems to the build, with the chance of requiring a complete new case and/or PSU
While on the other hand R7 5700g and R7 5700 are even worse than R7 3700x in both productivity and gaming...
so... i still consider R7 5700x the king of the AM4 socket... Pretty much like Fx 8320e is the king of the Am3+, since it is a 95w TDP cpu that can be thrown on way many boards than the better performer Fx8350/70 and the Fx9000 series, and will do just fine with a smaller cooling solution.
I tend to agree with you - with 65W consumption, I am aiming to further lower my current 95W R5 2600X which I undervolted (just by a smidge yet it works just nice). I am not that much of a gamer but with 3070Ti, I guess I wont have problems in the next 2 to 3 years with upcoming games - at least in 1080p. So yeah, keeping my PC running cold and silent is my main priority while doing some music production, light gaming (SWTOR) and so...
The X3D seems to add 5-10C more to the temp while usually using less power. Cool video. :)
And if u do an undervolt it's a win-win.
Not the biggest issue however unless your cpu already was at 85c to 90c understand?
Because the silicon is now thicker, it hampers heat transfer abit. But 5700X3D only max out at 4.05Ghz for all cores workload. Certainly can do -30 on CO to get around 1.1V vcore.
You can't always rely on software power monitoring. If the X3D runs warmer, it is likely using more power. (since they have the same heatspreader/cooler)
The temperature is a byproduct of the power/energy consumption. The 3D V-cache does use some extra power, besides the core power, which is making the whole CPU hotter (that cache power is probably not monitored in afterburner).
Perfect timing on this video I’ve just installed my 5700X
Rip, still at the end of the day the 5700x is a great cpu
This is really great to see! I just got the 5700X3D :)
Hey @RandomGamingInHD you said there wouldn’t be a difference between the two CPUs if they were paired with a lower end GPU. I think it depends on the game in that. I wish someone would test this.
So I went from a ryzen 5 3600 to the 5700X3D. And I play BeamNG exclusively. This game is VERY cpu intensive, and multi threaded intensive. But only have an RTX 3050. I personally like playing the BeamMP multi player version, and when your in a room with 10+ people on the 3600 I would have to turn it down to ultra low settings 1080p to barely get 30fps with v sync on. After the upgrade, I’m now on medium to high settings, 60+ fps v sync, it was a GIANT upgrade. And what’s crazy is if I go into the 15 person servers, before that would have been 7-10FPS, and it’s still 60fps with this.
The game is very threaded heavy because I believe its one thread per car. I’ve heard of people using a RTX 4090 in this game but with an Intel cpu that only had 6 p cores, the e cores aren’t usable in this game and that person was also getting 15fps same as me despite my rtx 3050.
I wish more RUclipsrs did low end to medium range GPU tests with different CPUs because that’s what the average person is going to experience.
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I liked the way you presented the data and benchmarks. keep up the good work. :)
0:23 only 3 pounds more?? That’s a steal! It costs nearly 30 USD more from where I’m looking at it, the X being around $115 and the X3D being $140-$145 😢
$140 for a 5700X3D is still a steal, here they cost over $258 while the regular 5700X goes for $200 or more
For gaming I would say either go cheap with 5600X or go with 5700X3D. Both are still great, but 5700X3D is good if you aren't satisfied with just 60fps, or want some kind of future proof system.
where I live the cheapest 5700x3d is 200€ / 220 usd
In România is ~205€ the lowest 😢 I don't understand how to cost more in a poorly country...
Just upgraded to the 5700x3d. I am so happy with my decision and thanks to this and other videos out there that helped with it.
Fun fact, if you are stuck with slow ram, then you'll be happy that its not as important to have fast ram on the 3D variant as it is on the non 3D regular CPU (lot of people get hyped about needing fast ram on Ryzen)
stuck or "stuck" ?
you can push pretty much all semi modern DDR4 modules to the common memory controller limit of 3800MT/s.
Takes maybe 3 hour tuning and a overnight stability test or 2.
I have DDR4 3200 and I get only about a 1-2 percent frame hit from 3600. Not noticeable at all.
If I decide to rock am4 for my next upgrade, I'm grabbing the 5700x3d. I was going to anyway because the 5600x3d and 5800x3d are micro center exclusive (the closest to me is about 5 hours away). This decision is even more likely because the other 5000x3d chips are now discontinued.
5800x3d is not microcenter exclusive. It's just out of stock in most places (and probably we won't see new stock)
I just installed a 5700X3D last night to replace my 5600X on my aging ASRock B450m Pro motherboard. Very nice performance boosts in most games and synthetic benchmarks, long live AM4!
Did you reset bios before installing the CPU or you just swap them?
@@Leon12V You don't have to reset your bios, just uninstall the chipset drivers so they don't conflict with the new ones you'll need for the new CPU :)
Thanks for the vid, I'll stick with my 5700x non 3D as I doubt on my midrange GPU I'd see enough difference to bother, and that money can be better spent getting a better GPU down the line.
Thanks for the video. 5700X3D owner here. Have it paired with an RX 7800 XT. I think 12400F/13400F/5600x and the likes are fine upto about RX 7700 XT levels. More GPU power than that I would go faster CPU. Like 5700X3D. Oh, btw I run my 5700X3D with minus 30 PBO on all cores. rock stable and boosts constantly to 4.05GHz under load. And uses upto about 80 Watts. I heard most/if not all 5700X3Ds will do minus 30 PBO just fine
I initially regretted purchasing the 5700X3D to upgrade from the 5700X. After doing a lot of gaming on the 5700X3D, there was noticeable improvement in FPS and overall smoothness. The 5700X3D is definitely worth it.
Agreed went from a 5700g to 5700x3d lol
@@kasperbrown4145 you went from 16mb to 96mb of cache. Id hope the difference was felt there. Thing is.. the x3d CPU is clocked much lower than the other CPUs. In situations that need frequency, the x3d can absolutely be a regression in performance. This is why the 9000x3d is going to be a good jump over 7000x3d. 9000x3d will have basically the same frequency as the non x3d so the uplift for vcache will be much higher than with previous vcache releases. 5700x to x3d should be 10% and maybe 20% for lows but -10% for production tasks.
@@christophermullins7163 The low clock speed put me off at first. I still bought it and i must say, it smooth sailing. Beats the 5600x in everything i do.
I upgraded from a 2700X. I didn’t have any concerns it could be slower in anything. 😂
Depends on the memory speed. If 5700X is paired with fast and tuned RAM, it is almost as fast as 5700X3D.
You should do more e-sports tiltes when testing processors as there you can better highlight the diffirences.
Yeah it's harder to get direct side by side comparative footage though but I'll try and give it a go in future :)
@@RandomGaminginHD rainbow six siege has a integrated benchmark so you could try that :D
You're very creative with your ideas for videos, it costs a lot of money to be able to make a video like this. 5700X3D has an excellent price-to-performance ratio these days.
Never clicked on a video so fast. I was wondering this for an upgrade from a 2600x.
1:58 Honestly I really needed to hear this. I was so close to buying it but that statement gave me a reality check. No doubt the 5700x3D offers great value but I guess it's not for me (for now at least).
Still Rocking my R7 5700X and it holds strong to this day. When I think about AMDs latest CPU today the 9000 Series I suddenly feel old😶. I still love my CPU tho. This is going to be my final AM4 build before switching to the AM5 socket in the future
Thanks - this is a very helpful video for somebody like me who bought a 5700X a few weeks before the X3D was announced :(
Depends on pricing, but I wouldn't pay the premium for the frames.
So glad I went for the X3D, was a little worried because of the clock speed, but your video made it clear that clock speed isn't everything! I did order it from Aliexpress to save some cash, fingers crossed!
I have a 5800X3D and upgraded from a 5600X.
BF1 took a big advantage, I had a 3060Ti and the 5600X slightly bottlenecked in some CPU intensive game engines (2560x1440, 144hz)
Tarkov also benefits from much tighter frametimes. Where the 3D cache is utilised properly it's a great improvement!
The 5800X3D will be running for a good few years yet!
i have a 5700x, 1440p 144hz monitor and 6700xt
This video is so useful because i was aking if a 5700x3d would make sense as an upgrade to smooth out some games.
I think overall isn't worth it, those non-3d 4,6ghz are doing well vs "only" 4.1ghz x3d... probably i'll keep my 5700x and wait some time until i'll find a used 5800x3d (new is not avaialble anymore)
@@DamyLv A 3D will certainly be better with that 6700xt. I didn’t realize it till after trying a 5800x3D vs my 5900x. Then sold both and put in a 5800x as a placeholder till AM5. That 3D was the clear winner even with a 6700xt. What I noticed the most is my GPU utilization and sustained FPS. My main game then BF4 and my FPS maintained 200 (game cap) much more of the time.
I have since moved on all my main builds to AM5 but still have a $140 used 5700x3D out in the garage with a 3060ti on 1080p 180hz.
Upgraded from a 5700G. I used to lag in The Finals, during busy combats. Now with the 5700X3D it's very smooth, it was quite the upgrade for a very affordable price
I'm using my 5700g with 7900gre for 1440p, do you think is worth the upgrade?, my mb is a b450m a ii(asus) pcie3
Good to hear, I was thinking of swapping a 5700G for a 57003XD so to hear a direct comparison is good
@@monedg2471you really should shop for deals and get a gen4 b550 board if you move up to the 5700x3D. Yes the G chips are trash with only 16mb of cache. Double you cache with a 5700x or 6x cache with 5700x3D. But you can swap out board for cheap and windows reload isn’t needed. Just uninstall chipset, video, audio , lan drivers FIRST before you shut down pc to swap boards out.
my 3600 lags quite a lot in the finals
Upgraded to a 5700x when they were discounted at the start of the year before the 3D came out and was a bit gutted i didn't wait! But i'll take comfort in my 75W capped 5700x and enjoy the energy savings :)
@kenzohkw that 30w difference is saving you millions, my friend.
Very timely video as im planning to upgrade from my somewhat tired 3600.
Thing still runs great with a very healthy 4.4ghz OC but it just isnt fast enough in some scenarios.
Im gonna need a CPU upgrade anyway since a 2k 180Hz monitor is arriving next week. Cant wait to see more than 75Hz on a big screen.
Its going to feel like a night and day difference. Definitely if you are the type of person who can actually tell when a game is microstuttering and its 1% lows are far below the "regular" framerate. Even in games where the big fat number stays the same those 1% lows are going to be so much closer and stable. I went from a 3600x to a 5600x and even that was a crazy difference, then I upgraded to a 5800x3d and it was another huge jump in smoothness. So expect some truly wonderful gains (GPU is a 3080 if wondering)
Went from a 3600xt to a 5700x like 3 months before the 3d version came out, wish i would have waited
Still a decent upgrade :)
Just remember, if you're hitting your intended FPS and monitors refresh rate. Dont stress cause of higher numbers on paper. Thats unhealthy. And a waste of money.
I made a similar mistake when I went from a 1700 to a 5600x bit before the 3d versions came out too. I also wish I had waited haha. My 1700 was slowly dying from being pinned to the wall with a high OC for a long time so I had to get something sooner rather than later.
I made the same move. Don't worry the upgrade is still good and think that your next upgrade will be more significant leap ;)
The 5700X was in my backup PC paired with a RX 7600 XT and it had a lot of unlocked overclocking parameters in the AMD Adrenalin Software.
When I installed the 5700X3D the CPU section of AMD Adrenalin Software was not present.
All you can do with the X3D is use PBO in the BIOS which is fine because the X3D are tuned at the factory.
You can use Ryzen Master but from all accounts it is virtually impossible to overclock it as it seems to throttle itself back down to spec.
@@ralphpurves AMD Adrenalin Software incorporates a cut down Ryzen Master only if the CPU is designed for OC. My Ryzen 5600 / RX 6700 XT shows both GPU and CPU parameters but no CPU on any X3D CPUs I own.
If you set anything in the PBO related to PPT EDC, TDC , the 5700X3D will get stuck at 3.6Ghz. The only you should do as an owner of that CPU is to set the Curve Optimizer to -30 for all cores. That's it, guarantee you to run at 4050Mhz for all cores in games. Default vcore is too high for a max single core boost 4.15Ghz CPU .
@@fleurdewin7958 My CPU is stable at with a curve optimizer set at -25
Was looking for this video thank you 🙏
Just switched from a 5800x to a 5800x3d, even with DR 4000c14 the improvement in frametimes is insane in some games.
In the finals especially average fps barely changed but during heavy destruction there is a significant amount of reduction in the stutters almost eliminating them.
Those 1% lows man, you can throw out that average fps number out and just rely on the 1% lows to see if you're going to have a good time. Its why I love the x3d cpus, they are so amazing for keeping those 1% lows (stutters) up and stable
@@hiRyan329329 yep, during moments of heavy destruction in the Finals both CPUs drop to about 150fps but on the 5800x it felt more like 50.
I can't remember if you've ever covered it, but you can squeeze even more performance out of these Ryzen chips by undervolting. I think I did a -15 all over undervolt in the curve optimizer and it greatly improved the temps and boost clocks. I have seen some people lose the silicon lottery though and aren't able to undervolt very much, and you may get like some cores that are fine undervolting and some aren't.
I considered the X3D version when I needed an upgrade, decided that I couldn't justify the roughly €90 increase in price at the time. Paired with an RX 7800 XT I can't say I feel I did the wrong thing, especially not after seeing how well the 5700X overclocks. With PBO and Curve Optimizer enabled it now boosts to 4.9 GHz and I see about 100% GPU utilisation in most games that I play. It was also a calculated saving toward AM5 upgrade down the line as the 7800X3D is doing a bit better than the AM4 X3D options.
how do you enable pbo and curve optimizer?
0:38 love that glitch that you added there
I wish you also added the benchmarks of a couple of eSport titles.
benchmark online games is close to impossible, that is why almost no one does it, not with solid numbers
Great video as always 👍
i have ryzen 7 2700x and a 1070 ti, what should i upgrade first since i cant do both at same time
Thanks for this, I'm running a 3600 right now but I plan to upgrade to a 5700x3d within the next year or two, for now even the 3600 holds up remarkably well.
just a suggestion, for processor comparison add processor based games like Valorant & CS GO.
Could you do an low cost am4/5 comparison? Maybe the 5700x3d v 7500f?
Wow ... I did not expect such a sizeable difference in performance. I'm using a 3700x3D - 6700xt combination myself and I am really happy with it; great performance for an excellent price.
I just bought today 5700x3d , wanted u to make video with no gpu benchmarks
great video! thank you :)
This will be the processor for my next build! Used AM4 chips are finally getting cheaper. I prioritize core count and cache over frequency and efficiency and Broadwell Xeons and 5000 series X3D chips are my favorite! ❤❤❤
almost all, if not all 5700X3Ds can run at least PBO at -30 for all cores. This makes it more into a 65 Watt part. It will actually use less power than a 5600x with no PBO. So the 5700X3D is a very efficient CPU for gaming.
@larsenmats Awesome. Have you tested for stability at this setting?
@@wood6454 My 5700X3D is rock stable at -30 PBO for all cores.
Thanks for this video, I was on the fence between the two (upgrading from a 2600), and the price difference is 50 eur. Gaming is just a small part of my workload and I've got a limiting RTX2070 as well, making it an easy pick for the much cheaper 5700X.
The performance difference VS the 2600 is staggering. Nearly doubled both cinebench scores, well worth it.
Super timely video as from what I have heard AMD is discontinuing production on the 5800X3D. This means that going forward the 5700X3D should be the fastest gaming AM4 chip in production and generally available for purchase new.
The production seems to be already stopped as the stock has run out like month or two ago in my country
I seriously can't wait for a 9950x3d to release. I was incredibly hesitant to buy a 7950x3d because of the core parking problems I heard alot about, instead I went 12900k and plan to sell it and the motherboard for the 9950x3d ok its release. Good video! I love 3d v cache
wow thats actually a fair bit better, amazing info
Newegg had a crazy deal on the 5700X3D and 5800X a few weeks ago, they were massively discounted, just under $200 for the 5700X3d and $128 for the 5800X and they both had 32GB DDR4 3200 kits bundled with them.
But 3200 DDR4 is not optimal for Zen 3. AMD themselves recommend DDR4 3600. We enthusiast prefer to run it at least DDR4 3800 with FCLK 1900
@@fleurdewin7958 Luckily with the x3d chips RAM speed is less of a issue than with the standard versions. Something about how the L3 cache and memory bus works on the x3d models that reduces the amount of gain from RAM speed.
So for longevity the X3D would be best if you want to hold onto AM4 longer and either go to the end of AM5 or just skip to AM6.
I thought the 105w of the X3D would make it consume more power or be much hotter, but doesn't seem like it at all.
What CPU cooler did you use? Would be nice if it's tested with an air cooler, and cool if the tests had a small side testing limiting at 60/75/120/144FPS just for watt/temp checks. I still limit games to 60 just because I don't want a space heater in already +30C ambient temp.
I went from a 5600 to the 5700x3d and do not regret it at all. Sure in some games its not a large change, but when its better, its BETTER. Putting on low settings to hit a high frame rate is far better with the 3d version. Theres definitely more games you could test that show the consistency gains more but overall, great video.
Yes. X3D is one of the most (and only) exciting tech lately.
I am honestly shocked by the difference, not just in FPS but the actual frametime graph. Even if the FPS isn't significantly higher, it will feel smoother. I love my 5600X but really wish I could replace it with a 5800X3D.
Bought one off AliExpress a few months ago and never looked back. Coming from a 5600 and there was an immediate improvement in my gaming performance.
What’s the catch with Aliexpress, is it safe to purchase from?
@@markswift4just check the seller's ratings. I've bought a few things off there and never had a problem
@@grahamhill4113 many thanks, will do just like eBay.
I was just thinking the same thing I'd never think of ordering a cpu from there but now I am
Going from a 5600G to a 5700X3D, keeping everything else, fixed the incredibly annoying audio crackling issue I had when the PC was under certain loads. Haven't even played a game yet, just been editing videos now that the audio doesn't get garbled when I try to play a clip.
Hi, should I upgrade my ryzen 5 2600x + 1070ti pc to 5700x3D + 1070ti? I have planned to use my 1070ti gpu at least 2 more years if the 5700x3d is appropriate for it. After that I will go for 4070 or 5070 gpu. Need your assistance..
Got this chip a few months back. Definitely solid choice, very happy with it.
I feel like the real use case for these chips is vr applications, having to render a scene at 90hz (twice) is very hard and i personally felt an enormous uplift from my 5600 when i moved upto a 5800x3d, was almost night and day how much smoother games like pavlov or vrchat run on that processor. same 1070 ti on both instances but the 3d cache eats un-optimized game engines for breakfast.
1% and .1% lows are absolutely imperative for VR and 1% lows are the x3d's main party trick. You can get a R9 5950x (16 core monster) and a 5800x3d will actually outperform it in games just cause the 3dv cache. Now in some games the 5950x will actually have better average fps but the 1% lows will be so much better on the x3d chip meaning you actually "feel" smoother fps. For absolutely smooth VR you want you 1% lows to be at or above 90fps at all times, as anything lower and you are no longer getting a actual 90fps experience (even if the average fps states you are getting something like 160fps)
Im looking to get either the 5700X or the 5700X3D for pcvr purposes mainly. Is the 3D difference that big for VR? @h0w17z3r @hiRyan329329
I swapped my 5800x for the 5700x3d as I was looking to upgrade my kid's pc with the 5800x. I play at 4k with a 6950XT and I haven't noticed much difference in games. It was more of side grade.
Are you gaming with a high refresh rate monitor and are you using KBM or controllers? Having used both those cpus as well as the 5800x3d you should be noticing a huge uplift in 1% lows (ie smoothness) in at least 50% of your games. Talking like a whole 10-20fps difference here. Now averages might be the same but tbh you never ever feel those. What you "feel" is that 1% low (lower that number from your average the more frequent and harsh microstuttering you are getting).
And to explain the KBM or Controller bit is that if you're using a controller I can understand not feeling a difference as a controller is a very delayed, non immersive way of interacting, whereas a mouse gives direct immediate control and you will tend to feel much more of said difference.
AMD struck gold with these x3D chips. I have a ryzen 5 3600 with an RTX 3060 ti and i was planning to upgrade 5700x3d when the price drops down. I almost bought one when a local retailer in Canada had these for in store purchase only for 200 CAD ~(145$ USD) but they were sold out when i got there.
you have 3060 ti, you don't need x3d cpu. 5600x would be enough.
You cannot wait any longer to buy one. Stock is running low. They are now $209.99USD on Amazon, up almost 30% from the Prime Day special price I bought it at. If you don't mind a Chinese market one (will likely not be as good silicon as a NA market one), they are around $144 US currently. But, like I said. Don't wait any longer if you want one. It is a great way to keep your AM4 system going a few more years. You can run a 4090 just fine on a 5700X3D. And, even on a 3060Ti, it is going to make a substantial improvement over the 3600.
@@wlewargusowy1592wrong huge difference
No he still does need a cpu upgrade just like i do with the rx6700 xt as we want smoothness not a jump in average fps. @@wlewargusowy1592
its super worth it. Games feel like liquid butter.
I literally upgraded to a 5700x3D yesterday from a 3600, and I'm only seeing a 5fps increase in Cyberpunk at high settings, 1440p. I'm using a RX6800 and 32GB ram as well. Does this sound right? I feel like I should be expecting a bit more...
@@AlexanderWinship I had that same GPU and 5600x. I was getting 40 fps at 100% CPU load and would stutter from time to time. That doesn't happen with a 5700x3d, I would hope.
Seems like if you're going for gaming only, you should get the X3D, but if you're doing more workstation tasks or editing/rendering etc then you should probably stick to the non-3D.
What I find strange though is that for Ryzen 5000 Series they did not make a R9 X3D variant, unlike the R7 5800X3D.
At least for AM5 they made a R7 7800X3D and a R9 7950X3D meaning you can get the best of gaming and productivity by going with the Ryzen 9 X3D chip.
I did a similar upgrade a year or so ago. 5800x to 5800x3D.
Difference was night and day, initially paired with a 3090, then 4090….
Running MSFS 2020 exclusively in VR, and the stutters simply vanished with the x3D.
Have only just replaced that system with a 9800x3D - which is another leap in performance. Waiting on the 5090 to be launched to pair up.
The headroom the x3D chips give in being able to feed the GPUs reliably makes a huge difference in VR.
Recently upgraded from 1600AF to 5700x3d, comparatively now it is truly snappy, overclocked Micron Rev. E to 3733 as well as undervolted it and it does not get over 70 on heavy loads :)
Heard that there is a difference in performance in different windows 10 bieng better, in which did you test the processors?
I currently have 5700x (bought it overpriced at start(300eur), "upgraded" from 9600k. I'm not satisfied with ryzen performance, not gonna buy 5700x3D either(it's 185 eur in my country). It works worse than my 9600k(at 5 ghz) in windows, performance gain in most games was negligible, but it handles virtual machines better (8/16 vs 6/6). I was hoping that the new Intel Ultra processors would be better, but judging by the tests, they remained at the same level as the previous ones, but with greater memory delays due to the chiplet architecture.
Now i have to buy 14600K (which is renamed 13600K, 2 years old CPU). I wish I had bought 12600k + Z690 instead of Ryzen 5700x + B550.
Ryzen is power hungry in idle (25-30W vs 5-10 on Intel), it's harder to pull heat from chiplet, on same wattage Intel is cooler.
Ive paired an Rx 7900 XTX with the ryzen 7 5700x3d. It performs very well. I plan on riding this AM4 build for a long time to come.
IMHO as a game dev with CS major I think the 3D cache part is most useful in task where branching instruction aka if else, so benchmark runs wont make much difference as they are only predetermined instructions. The high FPS difference are in actual gameplay with heavy if else logic like AI and gameplay interaction.
I'm having trouble finding many 5800X3Ds for sale in the UK, there used to be loads of them around. Now the 5700X3D is everywhere and as low as £170. I've got a 5800X and wanted to jump on the 5800X3D before AM4 was finally buried, but I'm not sure if the 5700X3D still a worthwhile upgrade?
I was precisely wondering if its worth upgrading from my 5700x thanks!!!
In your comparisons, did you notice the new cpu ever coming close to it's max TDP? Because it seemed pretty close to the non-3d for power in your video. Do you think it's a bios limitation of your testbed?
Huh, Cool. Currently on my first build i built back in 2022. 7 5700x and a 3060ti, 32 ram. Always wondered if x3D was worth it to upgrade but i feel like i have absolutely no need to mess with anything (except i went up from 16 of RAM). Was cool to see my rig be over the required and recommended (or between the two) of games releasing. Coming from a HP Omen Laptop with a 1050 and a 7th gen i7 from 2017.
Mate why did you remove the tests for Tac Fps like Valorant and CS2?
As far as I recall they aren't really games to benefit from 3dv cache
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Can you test "older games" in 4k with new, "weak" GPUs, not often on max settings, but some sort optimised?
Also SM2 with the scene, where you help keep bugs in place before bombardment is really heavy on CPU, so it would be nice to test some CPUs there. i3 12100 has something like 40-50 FPS at 100% utilization.
Have the same set up with the 3D model and 4080 super. It's a good combo that has a lot of flexibility to be able to handle loads of different resolutions and settings depending on the game type. Was a very effective upgrade from my 5600x for sure
Would love to have seen a vs with a mid-range card such as the 6600XT or similar.
I think it's important to note what type of GPU you are using to compare both CPUs.
Not a lot of people understand that it's only worth going for an X3D chip if you are GPU bound. That's where the extra FPS will come from
Would an upgrade from a 5600X to a 5700X3D with a 4070 Ti Super be worth it at 1440p/Ultrawide?
I would say yes.
I'd like to know as well. Did you make the upgrade?
I recently upgraded my husband from an R5 1600 and GTX 1050ti 4gb to an R7 5700x and RX 6600XT. His needs are pretty modest (doesn't really play anything more demanding than WoW and does a little bit of video rendering) so he's been very happy with the upgrade and it should last him a good while. The low TDP of the 5700x was a big point in its favor.
He also *finally* let me move him to an SSD, which was just a massive upgrade for him.
I was hoping for this. I had a 5600x that I swapped up to a 5700x3d and it was an excellent decision. I was already swapping gear and had enough leftovers from other builds that it cost me nothing outside of clearing some old tech.
I had been holding out for a 5800x3d but I wont stay in this chipset long enough to pay for the performance difference. Not paying is always a better result.
I have a 5600X and an RTX 3070. Unfortunately, this setup doesn’t allow me to comfortably play my main game, New World: Aeternum, on my 4K TV. I’m considering upgrading the GPU to an RTX 4080 Super. Is it worth upgrading the CPU to the 5700X3D for 2K and 4K gaming? If so, will the Arctic Freezer A35 A-RGB be sufficient to cool this 105W CPU?
I wonder what the difference would be at 1440p and 4k as that would be the deciding factor whether or not to upgrade for someone with a 57/58/59xx chip going to an X3D
have u tried benchmarking any of the intel arc graphics card recently? i heard that they are good and worth the money now
Got mine for $126 off aliexpress during a sale, couldn't be happier with it. However I have a question which is my GPU. Im currently using a GTX 980 Ti (yes I know its bottlenecking a bit) and I want to upgrade. Im more than open to used market gpu suggestions, and my budget is around $350, however I use a s300 mini itx case which can only fit dual slot gpus under 300mm. What is the best option, or should I wait for black Friday to buy a new GPU for the price I mentioned or even wait maybe for the rtx 5000 series to drop so the prices go down on some cards? Im fine right now with my current GPU just wanted to ask for suggestions about upgrading for good :)