It's funny how you mention Batman and Arkham as an example because the Dark Knight was the movie Felix was watching last night on Kick before an admin told him to shut it down 😂
... but he's wrong, he's shockingly ignorant as hell. Cloudflare doesn't host. It's DDoS protection. Safe Harbour and twitch DO NOT protect the streamers. It protects the WEBSITE. Twitch CANNOT protect the streamer. Kick abides by DMCA and has a DMCA policy/hotline for rights holders. Several advertisers are working with Kick already, though they do have an image issue with some talent. He calculatesm XQC's with the understanding of a child... does he think they are basing his rates off the total hours etc? That's so stupid. Dunno, this Nash guy is hilariously ignorant. Why would you use his service if he is THIS ignorant? This isn't "insider" information even this is just common knowledge crap he got wrong.
and i’m sure Kick is fine with not being able to get away with stuff how they did before if it meant that it will get taken seriously and people would actually consider starting new on their.
@@kavid8120 because xqc owns equity, but when DMCA gets send kick can be closed. adin ross streams prison break to 40k people haha they will get so fcked
@@kavid8120 They could hold him in violation of contract if he does so intentionally civil trial ez win. Also he hasn't been paid 100m once, contract was for 75m and 25m bonus that totals 100m. But i believe as contract is for 2 years they will pay him annually.
i heard of Kick back in January and i’m happy to see how far it’s come. The world is better with competition and that’s exactly what Twitch needs. I hate that they have become so cocky and arrogant.
This is great. I think the fact that kick is flexible in the way they implement features will be massive in the long run. That being said their app stinks worse than xqc's chair seat.
Devin: “xQc, whatever you do, do NOT stream movies, you are doomed if you do that!” *2 days later* “Kick staff step in to stop xQc from watching The Dark Knight…”
Best video i have ever seen KINGGGGG!!!! your best friend ayybabz and Scraplet, they are amazing people for leading me to your channel! i will never look back! King much love!
Same here i was sent by ayybabz and Scraplet ... i never knew Devin Nash existed before them told me. Im happy to be here its amazing how much did i learn from this video. I never thought like that but now you opened my eyes. W real W.
19:05 Made it here I appreciate the break down and confirming a lot of the contractual breakdown I assumed would be the case. I always enjoy your insight on all the topics you cover. Definitely hard to make the move with the brand risk but with legal shitstorms that'll inevitably come, if it forces Kick's hand with taking out the bad apples and cleaning up house with the "Arkham Asylum" bunch they allowed on the platform, I'm all game for it. But until then, it'll be fun to watch the mess this could end up being and how much it'll shake up the industry.
Tom cruise is also paid that upfront (most likely has additional royalties built in as well) regardless of how well the movie goes. Claiming xqc has a $100m contract is just creative media spin.
It is more complicated than this ... Many major Film and sports deals are also not flat there are all kind of things involved which cut bug time into the income
To clarify, I’m bringing up mr. Cow and Cruise because they are both extreme outliers. Tom cruise can make 5 movies a year (although even in the early 2000’s it was more like 3) but he cannot make 5 Top Gun 2s. Also I realize that movie salaries to actors are like subs to streamers, the real dough comes from sponsorships/ad deals. Cruise made a smash hit sequel that blew past all expectations and we will likely not see another like it for many years, and his payout is reported as the same as a (top) gamba streamer - which I find surprising. Also If you look at top-earning actors for a given year, there will always be outliers and anomalies near the top (e.g. in 2020 Lin-Manuel Miranda exploded onto the list by selling Hamilton), but the “bulk” of the list will be actors earning 5-20 million for the year. I believe the top 10-20 streamers can also clear that amount. Which is why I commented that the top streamers are as well paid as A-list celebs. Sure, every few years The Rock or Tom Cruise will be able to make a smash hit and pocket 100m, but so can XQC apparently.
@@gregq8 You're ignoring the point entirely. The entire reason this is such big news is because top streamers cannot, and have not gotten that amount of money in a contract. Before this, Ninja's $50M was the highest, and was considered a complete moonshot. Yes, top their streaming is now comparable to traditional entertainment payouts/contracts, Lebron James, Tom Cruise, etc, and might open the door to greater opportunities in the future. But the reason Kick can do this, is not based on the same business metrics and fundamentals of value delivered. Because this is still startup money, they fundamentals aren't the same. If the fundamentals don't playout to be comparably profitable, this will not become the norm. For instance, if xQc can't deliver the same amount of comparable value over time that a Lebron James does, he won't continue to receive $100M even at the top of the stack. All in all, this is an investment diversifcation by traditional old Middle Eastern Oil Money. And a test, but we won't know if the value is actually equivalent to a Tom Cruise making a movie company a Billion dollars, or a Lebron James drawing 2B in revenue to the NBA. If streamers wont' be able to bring in at least their contract Salaries or more, they will not continue to get contracts of this size. This is the difference between a matured industry that has to consider business fundamentals, vs a new industry that is trying to establish the value it brings to the world.
One of my favourite thumbnails from you in a while! Great colors, compositing, and a strong visual metaphor linking to such a powerful title. Definitely does the topic justice 👍
One thing to note about the title. If/when the ctr or vph rolls off, you may not be breaking news on the topic anymore; switching to a title that explains you are 'breaking down' or analysing the contract and current streaming environment may breath some more life into the video.
I definitely have serious qualms about Kick as a whole. Yes this preverbal 'Splash' into the market is going to get them some pretty good press in the short term, but I think it might stay relevant in that short term than allowing most people to progress into a long term career of streaming on the platform. Twitch is shooting itself in the foot, but while people discuss which site is better, RUclips might remain the "safest" even though it has a ways to go for the streaming side of things. People should definitely hedge their bets here.
yeah this is just mixer all over again, spending millions on one streamer when you can spend a fraction on that on like 1000 mid tier streamers is just begging to explode
This is great. Let’s see what Twitch’s next move is. If they don’t do much it’s because Amazon is making a lot off of Kick using AWS, for now I wonder how much of loss Kick is going to take before they can stop relying on Amazon
Kick likely make money due to how much money people lose in gambling. Its nefarious... The amount of people who will be addicted to gambling through it...
@@OmarDaily it does affect how much amazon gives a fuck about twitch if they can just license aws to other platforms instead of only dealing with twitch
AWS is just the store kick is using IVS (twitch product and the reason why Amazon bought the company). IVS is also operated by twitch staff. The interesting part kick is paying 10x to AWS IVS of what twitch pays for bandwidth. Twitch could loose many big streamers (btw most big streamer over 3k ccv run at loss on twitch) and still making money through hosting kick streams.
@@MAC... I can see that happening if the streamers that people support and really look up to start gambling when they get to Kick. If they don’t there’s less of chance. Of course it’s still possible because gambling is one of the top categories. I say let the streamers take that gambling money and continue to inspire/ entertain others. Something good can come out of something bad
19:05 One important aspect of exclusive vs non-exclusive is the ability to do Calls To Action. (Devin's "secret call-out" is an example) When DisguisedToast went to Facebook and Ninja went to Mixr, it's like they disappeared off the face of the planet. They are trading viewership growth for getting the bag. But with non-exclusive deals the creator can build viewership on their main platform then do a Call To Action when they switch to Kick. "Hey guys I'm switching to Kick now, follow me over there." This is super powerful and allows you to constantly, day after day, shepherd them over. You can even time the swap at different times of day. You can build viewership in the morning, then when the after-school crowd join at 4:00pm, switch over. Over time you can capture different segments of your audience. I actually think Kick should make this a deliberate part of their strategy. Kick should ask their creators to start their streams on Twitch with the explicit purpose of poaching viewers via these calls to action.
19:05 This is going to be a case where Kick is basically playing chicken with a truckload of nitro glycerin. Those brand risk types always get clapped, and the whole Kick saga has been pretty hillarious. I'm just sitting back and eating some popcorn. Get the floss!
Took Felix exactly zero days to F up. Dude is watching Master Chef on his first night streaming Kick. Devin is spot on with his analysis here. The long arm of the law is gonna reach for Kick in the near future as more attention heads their way. I was looking forward to Devin's take on Kick's moves here and this video is an amazing analysis.
1. Its not Masterchef, its Hells kitchen 2. Masterchef has been known to not DMCA, and the only claims of DMCA were proven false 3. He was watching Hells Kitchen already on twitch 4. xQc probably regards Masterchef and Hells Kitchen within the same degree of safety from DMCA strikes, which is probably valid
@@danny62342 I hear ya. Last night at the time I watched while he was live on Kick it was Masterchef. The point is regardless of if any broadcaster gets away with it does not equal they are allowed to do it. And as Devin points out when attention from the mainstream world is drawn in ... that is when those with interests being violated take note and take action.
Wasn't Joe Rogan's contract with Spotify $200M? How is this the "biggest" deal in history? And the contract Ninja had 5 years ago with Mixer was even bigger.
We've seen other platforms shell out all kinds of money to get themselves on the map, and as soon as those contracts are over, those same content creators end up back on Twitch in the end... AINTNOWAY he stays; Bruh has been rolling in the dough for such a long time... what a dream. Good for him!
Thank you for explaining this! I’m still hesitant based on what I’ve heard from you and others to make a complete move but this was the type of news I was waiting to hear before I tried a test stream on Kick.
I noticed a lot of companies this year are being backed into a corner now due to competition. First it was COD having competition from Ubisoft with XDefiant and Activision fumbling with these non-consumer friendly business decisions, and now you have Kick making changes to the streaming space that's causing this disruption. So much is happening now in the gaming and streaming space that it comes to show you can be massive but you're not immortal either.
It's a business life cycle it's supposed to happen. You don't want a company to live forever that's how you get the current Activision and how they do the bare minimum and release half finished games or how Twitch/RUclips also do the bare minimum to improve for live streamers since they don't feel threatened. Let them compete, and the user ends up winning in the end.
Amazing video like always. I was originally thinking it was going to be a combination of cash and equity since 100 million of straight cash was obviously too insane
I hope Kick does find a way to become safer for brands. I know they don't want to force ads, but the sponsorships for smaller streamers would help a lot.
This "brand safe" is pure BS they pushed to cut revenue from Content Creators on the platform. There are thousands of brands focused on adults that don't give a single shit about it. "brand safe content" was propaganda pushed to justify censorship nothing more than that. You guys just bit it so strong that never stopped to think because sub 100IQ. "Gun channels are not brand safe" oh really? No brand would never want their AD on a video that is 90% seen by adults with money? Really? You guys eat technocratic censorship like it is candy, there is no such a thing as "brand safe" and never was, we used to see ADs on Gun channels and dark humor channels all the time pré-2014. It is just censorship. Today not saying the same thing the government says is "a brand risk" it is just censorship, wake up. They just change the names and puff suddenly it works on the sub 100IQ people🤣🤣🤣🤣
ITS RUN by a gambling company brother. This is so they can stream gambling on their platform. They dont care about sponsorships. Gambling is king for them.
19:05 Love your content! I'm currently starting a small influencer marketing campaign for a start up game server hosting site and I've been bingeing your content to learn more and more!
Wow devin, you’re spot on, biggest influencer deal in history, I didn’t think of it that way until you said it. And also that we’re not gonna get this from anyone else 💯 th
It's funny seeing Devin talk about XQC watching shows live... I was curios and checked out his first stream today. Literally watching Hells kitchen or whatever the show is called with Gordon Ramsay lmao also 1905
Kcik making haedlines, not waves. If they truly wanted to shit down twitchs throat and become real competition in the space. Use that "100 mil" and go after a larger number of 1-5k viewer streamers from many different categories with a 3-6 mil contract. The rich getting richer, IMO, isnt a hard selling point for the average user/viewer/streamer.
I'll say this about Kick. I tried streaming me reacting to Wrestlemania in April on Kick, and within 20 minutes had a Kick staff member come in and ask me to stream something else or to end stream.
19:05 incredibly interesting and insightful video. Never even thought about copyright being an issue but wow it's going to be rough once the suits catch wind of this
I really think the bigger thing that makes brands really want to stay away is the amount of vagueness around how this is all actually funded. There is a lot of hand waving "it's stake money!" but I've spent a good 10 hours trying to verify that claim and I have only come away more confused that I was before. Beyond just having fake "live updates for top rollers" on their site (no network traffic is actually being sent). The owner ship of kick and stake is incredibly obfuscated and split across various tax havens like panama and curacao. They seem like they are sort of owned by a subsidiary of Medium Rare, as the name might suggest "Medium Rare NV" but beyond the name I have found no legal documents to support this claim. They have also gone through the effort to obscure the domain registration for their websites, and any owners name. Answering a question like "Who owns kick?" is not easily done, let alone "how are they funded?". Stake came up before the massive crypto drop in mid 2022 with FTX and it's likely they took a huge loss. I understand they likely are looking to provide a crypto laundering platform and there is money in that, but "Medium Rare NV" is not a registered company in the U.S and has not filed a tax return there, and curacao does not have public tax filings available to the public. So no one really knows how much money they may or may not be making on stake. I think it is a bit silly to assume they are raking in billions. Which even if they have a ton of crypto, with increased scrutiny on crypto exchanges those assets are not liquid at all. Kick and stake seem like they could just take your money and run. They are just incredibly shady and it's VERY unclear where they are getting this money from. No one should be investing their money into the platform until we can see that the underlying funding mechanisms are not operating illegally. I foresee a future where they are just shut down one day, at least in the U.S. Lastly I doubt that kick really has the USD to offer XQC to fulfill the entire contract upfront. They are just hoping that the advertising from this deal leads to a situation where they might find the money later.
It's such an entertaining livestream platform game of chess, I am here for these big new punches. As a Twitch partner, I've definitely been eyeing Kick, but I don't think the platform itself works for my family friendly content. But the financial prospects are so enticing. Maybe I should just jump and rebuild..
Don't endorse a site that ruins people's lives through gambling.... Its like saying... I'm up for moving to a heroin den because there's more money there. Sure you might not ever engage in heroin, but your followers might.
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It's funny how you mention Batman and Arkham as an example because the Dark Knight was the movie Felix was watching last night on Kick before an admin told him to shut it down 😂
14:50 aged like fine wine
Hours lol
No one does it quite like you Devin, your passion for how ballsy this decision was is extremely infectious. Very interested to see where this goes.
exactly, i saw Ludwigs video about this topic and instantly went to Devin's channel to get full information.
... but he's wrong, he's shockingly ignorant as hell.
Cloudflare doesn't host. It's DDoS protection.
Safe Harbour and twitch DO NOT protect the streamers. It protects the WEBSITE. Twitch CANNOT protect the streamer.
Kick abides by DMCA and has a DMCA policy/hotline for rights holders.
Several advertisers are working with Kick already, though they do have an image issue with some talent.
He calculatesm XQC's with the understanding of a child... does he think they are basing his rates off the total hours etc? That's so stupid.
Dunno, this Nash guy is hilariously ignorant. Why would you use his service if he is THIS ignorant? This isn't "insider" information even this is just common knowledge crap he got wrong.
Oh yeah is credentials in grifting are unmatched. Dropping the biggest steamy load of “insider information” right on his bird brained audience.
@@MoneyMeNow example of him grifting? I've never really seen anything about him outside of this RUclips channel.
15:20 lol, guess X didn't see this video
You predicted it perfectly. Xqc tried to stream a big movie in his first few days and was hit with the DMCA. He brought the heat
no…He was just warned in his chat to not stream it and he didn’t. Didn’t get banned or striked.
and i’m sure Kick is fine with not being able to get away with stuff how they did before if it meant that it will get taken seriously and people would actually consider starting new on their.
@@kavid8120 because xqc owns equity, but when DMCA gets send kick can be closed. adin ross streams prison break to 40k people haha they will get so fcked
@@0NeeN0 i think xqc wants to get banned off Kick tbh just so he can finesse them and keep the guaranteed money he got and be right back at twitch
@@kavid8120 They could hold him in violation of contract if he does so intentionally civil trial ez win. Also he hasn't been paid 100m once, contract was for 75m and 25m bonus that totals 100m. But i believe as contract is for 2 years they will pay him annually.
Devin always got us with the unique insights to this industry right as they happen
i heard of Kick back in January and i’m happy to see how far it’s come. The world is better with competition and that’s exactly what Twitch needs. I hate that they have become so cocky and arrogant.
This is great. I think the fact that kick is flexible in the way they implement features will be massive in the long run.
That being said their app stinks worse than xqc's chair seat.
14:55 oh no no no Pepelaugh
im watching this after felix decided to stream the dark knight on stream
Devin: “xQc, whatever you do, do NOT stream movies, you are doomed if you do that!”
*2 days later*
“Kick staff step in to stop xQc from watching The Dark Knight…”
Best video i have ever seen KINGGGGG!!!! your best friend ayybabz and Scraplet, they are amazing people for leading me to your channel! i will never look back! King much love!
Same here i was sent by ayybabz and Scraplet ... i never knew Devin Nash existed before them told me. Im happy to be here its amazing how much did i learn from this video. I never thought like that but now you opened my eyes. W real W.
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I love that I got to this video from a reddit thread where XQC was watching a Batman movie lol
19:05 Made it here
I appreciate the break down and confirming a lot of the contractual breakdown I assumed would be the case. I always enjoy your insight on all the topics you cover.
Definitely hard to make the move with the brand risk but with legal shitstorms that'll inevitably come, if it forces Kick's hand with taking out the bad apples and cleaning up house with the "Arkham Asylum" bunch they allowed on the platform, I'm all game for it.
But until then, it'll be fun to watch the mess this could end up being and how much it'll shake up the industry.
Tom Cruise got ~100m for Top Gun 2, and it's considered one of the highest payouts ever. Top streamers outearning A-list celebs, incredible.
Except Tom Cruise can do 5 movies a year if he wanted. Still earth shattering news, just no need for comparison.
Tom cruise is also paid that upfront (most likely has additional royalties built in as well) regardless of how well the movie goes.
Claiming xqc has a $100m contract is just creative media spin.
It is more complicated than this ... Many major Film and sports deals are also not flat there are all kind of things involved which cut bug time into the income
To clarify, I’m bringing up mr. Cow and Cruise because they are both extreme outliers. Tom cruise can make 5 movies a year (although even in the early 2000’s it was more like 3) but he cannot make 5 Top Gun 2s. Also I realize that movie salaries to actors are like subs to streamers, the real dough comes from sponsorships/ad deals.
Cruise made a smash hit sequel that blew past all expectations and we will likely not see another like it for many years, and his payout is reported as the same as a (top) gamba streamer - which I find surprising.
Also If you look at top-earning actors for a given year, there will always be outliers and anomalies near the top (e.g. in 2020 Lin-Manuel Miranda exploded onto the list by selling Hamilton), but the “bulk” of the list will be actors earning 5-20 million for the year. I believe the top 10-20 streamers can also clear that amount. Which is why I commented that the top streamers are as well paid as A-list celebs. Sure, every few years The Rock or Tom Cruise will be able to make a smash hit and pocket 100m, but so can XQC apparently.
@@gregq8 You're ignoring the point entirely. The entire reason this is such big news is because top streamers cannot, and have not gotten that amount of money in a contract. Before this, Ninja's $50M was the highest, and was considered a complete moonshot.
Yes, top their streaming is now comparable to traditional entertainment payouts/contracts, Lebron James, Tom Cruise, etc, and might open the door to greater opportunities in the future. But the reason Kick can do this, is not based on the same business metrics and fundamentals of value delivered. Because this is still startup money, they fundamentals aren't the same. If the fundamentals don't playout to be comparably profitable, this will not become the norm.
For instance, if xQc can't deliver the same amount of comparable value over time that a Lebron James does, he won't continue to receive $100M even at the top of the stack.
All in all, this is an investment diversifcation by traditional old Middle Eastern Oil Money. And a test, but we won't know if the value is actually equivalent to a Tom Cruise making a movie company a Billion dollars, or a Lebron James drawing 2B in revenue to the NBA. If streamers wont' be able to bring in at least their contract Salaries or more, they will not continue to get contracts of this size. This is the difference between a matured industry that has to consider business fundamentals, vs a new industry that is trying to establish the value it brings to the world.
One of my favourite thumbnails from you in a while! Great colors, compositing, and a strong visual metaphor linking to such a powerful title. Definitely does the topic justice 👍
One thing to note about the title. If/when the ctr or vph rolls off, you may not be breaking news on the topic anymore; switching to a title that explains you are 'breaking down' or analysing the contract and current streaming environment may breath some more life into the video.
took 1 whole day for him to watch a movie
I definitely have serious qualms about Kick as a whole. Yes this preverbal 'Splash' into the market is going to get them some pretty good press in the short term, but I think it might stay relevant in that short term than allowing most people to progress into a long term career of streaming on the platform. Twitch is shooting itself in the foot, but while people discuss which site is better, RUclips might remain the "safest" even though it has a ways to go for the streaming side of things.
People should definitely hedge their bets here.
yeah this is just mixer all over again, spending millions on one streamer when you can spend a fraction on that on like 1000 mid tier streamers is just begging to explode
Always going to watch a full Devin Nash video. Good info and insight from beginning to end.
Because streaming platforms throwing money at big streamers for exclusive contracts has always worked before.
😂 This sounds like Saudi oil FU money!
This is great. Let’s see what Twitch’s next move is.
If they don’t do much it’s because Amazon is making a lot off of Kick using AWS, for now
I wonder how much of loss Kick is going to take before they can stop relying on Amazon
Kick likely make money due to how much money people lose in gambling.
Its nefarious... The amount of people who will be addicted to gambling through it...
Twitch and AWS are different companies, Kick’s usage of AWS does not change how Twitch operates and who they go with/against.
@@OmarDaily it does affect how much amazon gives a fuck about twitch if they can just license aws to other platforms instead of only dealing with twitch
AWS is just the store kick is using IVS (twitch product and the reason why Amazon bought the company). IVS is also operated by twitch staff. The interesting part kick is paying 10x to AWS IVS of what twitch pays for bandwidth. Twitch could loose many big streamers (btw most big streamer over 3k ccv run at loss on twitch) and still making money through hosting kick streams.
@@MAC... I can see that happening if the streamers that people support and really look up to start gambling when they get to Kick. If they don’t there’s less of chance.
Of course it’s still possible because gambling is one of the top categories. I say let the streamers take that gambling money and continue to inspire/ entertain others.
Something good can come out of something bad
Thanks for the quick video. It's funny that Kick is down after the deal announcement though, lol
As I write this xQc is watching Gordo on Kick 😂😂😂.
19:05 One important aspect of exclusive vs non-exclusive is the ability to do Calls To Action. (Devin's "secret call-out" is an example) When DisguisedToast went to Facebook and Ninja went to Mixr, it's like they disappeared off the face of the planet. They are trading viewership growth for getting the bag.
But with non-exclusive deals the creator can build viewership on their main platform then do a Call To Action when they switch to Kick. "Hey guys I'm switching to Kick now, follow me over there." This is super powerful and allows you to constantly, day after day, shepherd them over. You can even time the swap at different times of day. You can build viewership in the morning, then when the after-school crowd join at 4:00pm, switch over. Over time you can capture different segments of your audience.
I actually think Kick should make this a deliberate part of their strategy. Kick should ask their creators to start their streams on Twitch with the explicit purpose of poaching viewers via these calls to action.
Amazing coverage, AMAZING speed here man. Always appreciate your videos, thanks for making them.
19:05 This is going to be a case where Kick is basically playing chicken with a truckload of nitro glycerin. Those brand risk types always get clapped, and the whole Kick saga has been pretty hillarious. I'm just sitting back and eating some popcorn. Get the floss!
14:53 xqc is watching gordon ramsay on kick literally right now LMFAOO
Soon as I saw X’s deal I couldn’t wait to come check your channel out love when you do these type of vids
The second I heard this news I thought "Can't wait to see what Devin Nash has to say about this" interesting insight.
You are so clear in your exposition that your videos are so easy to follow and I don't even feel I was here for 30 mins...
still here devin, love your work keep me posted, VERY INTERESTED
19:05 for the algorithmoid, was waiting for a new Devin Nash banger and when I heard the news I knew my wait would soon be over.
19:13 Awesome video! This was the best breakdown of this situation!
Thank you so much devin for the breakdown and your insider insights! Appreciate your perspective
Took Felix exactly zero days to F up. Dude is watching Master Chef on his first night streaming Kick. Devin is spot on with his analysis here. The long arm of the law is gonna reach for Kick in the near future as more attention heads their way. I was looking forward to Devin's take on Kick's moves here and this video is an amazing analysis.
🤓☝ the long arm of the law is coming
@@tokehead lmao
1. Its not Masterchef, its Hells kitchen
2. Masterchef has been known to not DMCA, and the only claims of DMCA were proven false
3. He was watching Hells Kitchen already on twitch
4. xQc probably regards Masterchef and Hells Kitchen within the same degree of safety from DMCA strikes, which is probably valid
@@danny62342 I hear ya. Last night at the time I watched while he was live on Kick it was Masterchef. The point is regardless of if any broadcaster gets away with it does not equal they are allowed to do it. And as Devin points out when attention from the mainstream world is drawn in ... that is when those with interests being violated take note and take action.
@@6classer bruh, Ramsay has known about it since last time and not cared, u dont know what ur saying
14:55 AINTNAURWAY
Wasn't Joe Rogan's contract with Spotify $200M? How is this the "biggest" deal in history? And the contract Ninja had 5 years ago with Mixer was even bigger.
Yo scuffed podcast tonight my man squadW
my man SquadW HDMI adapter in shambles
Been waiting for my man Devin to throw this video up!
19:07 - Secret callout awsered! Hi Devin, thank you for your videos, they are very helpfull, when I get the chance I will support your patreon!
Still here, appreciate the videos man
We've seen other platforms shell out all kinds of money to get themselves on the map, and as soon as those contracts are over, those same content creators end up back on Twitch in the end... AINTNOWAY he stays; Bruh has been rolling in the dough for such a long time... what a dream. Good for him!
14:50 prophetic
Im still here thanks for the vids
Lmao XQC is streaming Hell's Kitchen right now
19:05 and loving the insights here Devin. Thank you for this.
Thank you for explaining this! I’m still hesitant based on what I’ve heard from you and others to make a complete move but this was the type of news I was waiting to hear before I tried a test stream on Kick.
Surely xQc is smart enough not to stream whole movies on his first week on the plaftofm
I noticed a lot of companies this year are being backed into a corner now due to competition. First it was COD having competition from Ubisoft with XDefiant and Activision fumbling with these non-consumer friendly business decisions, and now you have Kick making changes to the streaming space that's causing this disruption. So much is happening now in the gaming and streaming space that it comes to show you can be massive but you're not immortal either.
It's a business life cycle it's supposed to happen. You don't want a company to live forever that's how you get the current Activision and how they do the bare minimum and release half finished games or how Twitch/RUclips also do the bare minimum to improve for live streamers since they don't feel threatened. Let them compete, and the user ends up winning in the end.
Amazing video like always. I was originally thinking it was going to be a combination of cash and equity since 100 million of straight cash was obviously too insane
XQC and Destiny content here we come!!!
Honestly the only image I still have of xQc is from smashing keyboards and screaming at the top of his lungs like a man child.
Ironically xqc literally watched The Dark Knight on stream, perhaps the dumbest thing he could have done.
19:05 secret call out. Whenever your videos come out it's an instant watch. Love the content and keep up the good work!
I hope Kick does find a way to become safer for brands. I know they don't want to force ads, but the sponsorships for smaller streamers would help a lot.
This "brand safe" is pure BS they pushed to cut revenue from Content Creators on the platform. There are thousands of brands focused on adults that don't give a single shit about it.
"brand safe content" was propaganda pushed to justify censorship nothing more than that. You guys just bit it so strong that never stopped to think because sub 100IQ.
"Gun channels are not brand safe" oh really? No brand would never want their AD on a video that is 90% seen by adults with money? Really?
You guys eat technocratic censorship like it is candy, there is no such a thing as "brand safe" and never was, we used to see ADs on Gun channels and dark humor channels all the time pré-2014. It is just censorship. Today not saying the same thing the government says is "a brand risk" it is just censorship, wake up. They just change the names and puff suddenly it works on the sub 100IQ people🤣🤣🤣🤣
ITS RUN by a gambling company brother. This is so they can stream gambling on their platform. They dont care about sponsorships. Gambling is king for them.
Thanks for the well informed viewpoints
19:05 and still watching as always, thank you for another great insight video Devin!
XQC will self destruct with the gambling
Lol he watched movies as you said.
19:05 Love your content! I'm currently starting a small influencer marketing campaign for a start up game server hosting site and I've been bingeing your content to learn more and more!
Hi Devin, thanks for this video.. very interesting insights. Cheers from Australia.
19:05 baby! Still here! Man this is insane!
Wow devin, you’re spot on, biggest influencer deal in history, I didn’t think of it that way until you said it. And also that we’re not gonna get this from anyone else 💯 th
yess I honestly being waiting for the Devin Nash take on this, you never fail to deliver thanks man. 19:05
We got Devin Nash talking about DC Comics. Brilliant work, hell yeah
Interesting to see a new player in the streaming game. Thanks for the breakdown. I watched till the end but also was here at 19:05
It's funny seeing Devin talk about XQC watching shows live... I was curios and checked out his first stream today. Literally watching Hells kitchen or whatever the show is called with Gordon Ramsay lmao
also 1905
HOLY DEVIN NASH BACK AT IT AGAIN LETS GO SIR
19 05 GANG
100% agree with you around the points around 11:00. i think they'll start getting these requirements soon too
19:05 secret call out. PRE-SENT
As always amazing video!🥰
Kick or Twitch, dont they both give money to Amazon since they both use their services to run as streaming platform?😅
I'm trying the multistreaming stuff yesterday. It works well, thanks Devin!
19:05 Great point. Subbed and liked.
19:05 lets gooo.. always loved watching you on scuffed podcast Devin
19:05 thank you for breaking this down, love your videos!
So wild this happened. Couldn’t wait for the Devin Nash video. Let’s see how the next few months go!
Kcik making haedlines, not waves. If they truly wanted to shit down twitchs throat and become real competition in the space. Use that "100 mil" and go after a larger number of 1-5k viewer streamers from many different categories with a 3-6 mil contract. The rich getting richer, IMO, isnt a hard selling point for the average user/viewer/streamer.
good job mate. great analysis
Last time I saw, XQC reacting to Ninja talking about streaming on Kick, now he’s joining
19:05 i always make it here. just enjoying getting lost in your video lol
I'll say this about Kick. I tried streaming me reacting to Wrestlemania in April on Kick, and within 20 minutes had a Kick staff member come in and ask me to stream something else or to end stream.
Great assessment Devin thanks for the info!
secret call-out, great coverage on the hot news. excited to see how the livestreaming world changes in the upcoming six months
When I saw it on Twitter I actually was shocked that it happened so early in terems of the Kick site so far.
Curious would the Patreon be useful for someone running a party rental business
Devin, you think amazon will pull there IVS service if Kick starts taking too much of the live streaming market?
Thank you Devin :)
I saw his first stream and he was watching Gordon Ramsay shows
DEVIN WITH THE HIGHEST QUALITY VIDEOS AGAIN HE DONT MISS
19:05 incredibly interesting and insightful video. Never even thought about copyright being an issue but wow it's going to be rough once the suits catch wind of this
Amazing, amazing video Devin. From start to finish. You just come out smarter watching your videos.
you got me at 1905 my friend keep up the great videos new sub
I really think the bigger thing that makes brands really want to stay away is the amount of vagueness around how this is all actually funded. There is a lot of hand waving "it's stake money!" but I've spent a good 10 hours trying to verify that claim and I have only come away more confused that I was before.
Beyond just having fake "live updates for top rollers" on their site (no network traffic is actually being sent). The owner ship of kick and stake is incredibly obfuscated and split across various tax havens like panama and curacao. They seem like they are sort of owned by a subsidiary of Medium Rare, as the name might suggest "Medium Rare NV" but beyond the name I have found no legal documents to support this claim. They have also gone through the effort to obscure the domain registration for their websites, and any owners name. Answering a question like "Who owns kick?" is not easily done, let alone "how are they funded?".
Stake came up before the massive crypto drop in mid 2022 with FTX and it's likely they took a huge loss. I understand they likely are looking to provide a crypto laundering platform and there is money in that, but "Medium Rare NV" is not a registered company in the U.S and has not filed a tax return there, and curacao does not have public tax filings available to the public. So no one really knows how much money they may or may not be making on stake. I think it is a bit silly to assume they are raking in billions. Which even if they have a ton of crypto, with increased scrutiny on crypto exchanges those assets are not liquid at all.
Kick and stake seem like they could just take your money and run. They are just incredibly shady and it's VERY unclear where they are getting this money from. No one should be investing their money into the platform until we can see that the underlying funding mechanisms are not operating illegally. I foresee a future where they are just shut down one day, at least in the U.S.
Lastly I doubt that kick really has the USD to offer XQC to fulfill the entire contract upfront. They are just hoping that the advertising from this deal leads to a situation where they might find the money later.
19:05 Gang! So much great information here.
Was waiting for this take.
It's such an entertaining livestream platform game of chess, I am here for these big new punches.
As a Twitch partner, I've definitely been eyeing Kick, but I don't think the platform itself works for my family friendly content. But the financial prospects are so enticing. Maybe I should just jump and rebuild..
Don't endorse a site that ruins people's lives through gambling....
Its like saying... I'm up for moving to a heroin den because there's more money there.
Sure you might not ever engage in heroin, but your followers might.
@@MAC... You make a really good point!
Still watching at 19:05 minutes. Appreciate it and you
And this is why breaking things down is important
19:05 - as always, very informative and entertaining