The first time I saw the scene of Levi floating mid air around his comrades I thought he was worried about whether he would survive. It’s crazy to realize that he wasn’t worried about that at all and he was just sad that he had to kill them all. That’s both badass and sad af at the same time.
Man, that moment where Levi is floating in the air and his eyes slowly begin to close. You can see he's just shutting off his emotions for what needs to be done
Well, I might as well point this out since the anime never actually explains this part… In the manga, Eren says the Ackermans were the result of old experiments with Titan Science, a subject the anime also addresses even less. These experiments turned the original Ackermans into anomalies with their own exclusive branches in the Paths that only their bloodline can access, allowing them to tap into the combat experience of all previous Ackerman generations. They also gained the ability to manifest pure titan strength, stamina and durability in their human form. So in summary, they are basically Subjects of Ymir with natural pure titans capabilities and bloodline-based memory sharing similar to the Nine Titans. THAT’S why they’re so broken. XD
The despair in Levi’s eyes is what makes this scene so powerful. The fact he knows he has to kill his comrades like he has before. He understands his cycle
I think Zeke knew he couldn't beat Levi in a 1v1. That's why he mutilated the last titan, to make Levi forget about it. He was hedging his bets on that titan coming for him after it regenerated, which it did.
That's such an awful thing that Zeke did. He used Levi's biggest weakness against him, that's his love for his fellow soldiers. I feel so bad for the soldiers and Levi.
It's difficult to say it's even a weakness. Zeke's strategy was a real blunder - he should've understood Levi would fight back, since the first time they met was when Levi had sacrificed nearly every Scout to get a shot at him. Big mistake for him to think that was just Erwin's Plan™️.
The hesitancy of Levi to kill his former subordinates and remembering their faces in mid combat, then coming to the realization that he must kill them all combined with that sorrowful but cold blooded look made me feel for Levi. What a heavy burden on his shoulders and strength it must take to carry out such an action.
Why people in the comment keep spoiling anything related to the final episode, please avoid that, some people here who watch with storieswithstyle on yt haven't even watched the next episode yet, could you please refrain yourself from spoiling anything related to future episodes
Loads of reactors don't even think to question what Old Man Hatred says to Armin and Mikasa, so hearing you clown on him (especially at 18:20) was very satisfying and hilarious
Yes :D After the reactions are up, i will def do a "does Old man hatred exist or was it Erens own hatred he naturally had because he is really evil in part" poll down the line :D
I've never noticed or heard other reactors point out that Armin being reduced to throwing punches contrasts with his very first scene in the series, or that Eren is now beating up the friend he used to protect. Great analysis! Seriously, what must Isayama's mind be like to be able to so smoothly layer these themes, callbacks, and dialogue like this. It would be a shame if a decade from now Isayama isn't studied for his literary techniques as much as his story.
Time to find out if Zekes #1 hater stands on business or folds and feels some sympathy for Zeke next episode Edit: style is actually Zekes #2 hater #1 is Levi😂
I think the next episode you will fall in love with Zeke, it is just my imagination maybe in another life Levi and Zeke could become best buddies or maybe lovers because of the history they were bickering over and over, and Zeke also showed jealousy when Levi said he was popular amongst women (and or men) yeah it is my theory they may become a lovely couple in alternative universe if multiverse (just like in the avengers movies) do exist
I say this all the time whenever I watch your posts,"You're so Smart!!!!" Like every time you pause and use that noggin of yours, I'm Always nodding my head in agreement or saying "wow, he's so frickin smart" This show is fundamentally important in the sense it's able to breach any age groups and worldwide ppl intuitively understand what's going on/being said, reaching unlimited amounts of potential viewers. Many, if not all, real world conflicts can be seen in this show. This show is a lesson in understanding many things, such as the human condition. I believe
Now that i noticed above the table it has a paint of two sail ships fighting..... Even on the sea, the dream of Armin, humans are fighting, and now Eren is in conflict with them....
A few episodes ago: Pyxis(to yelena): the best way to tell a lie is adding a little bit of the truth in it. Last episode: Zeke: in ragako we used a gas made of my spinal fluid (truth), which made everyone fall unconscious (lie). This episode: Eren: the Ackermann were designed to protect the king (truth). By mistake, you (Mikasa) thought I was the host you had to protect (lie). You've always had headaches (true) because your inner self is fighting those instincts (lie). It's so interesting how Pyxis told us "don't believe any of the Jeager brothers' bullsh*t" beforehand
I don't think it's the past inheritors that is causing eren to act out this way. Remember all of the past founding Titan wanted things to remain the same. And even if the other founding Titan like Uri who swore he would eradicate Titans. But when he inherited the Founding he didn't want change. As Rod reiss said he lost to the memories of his ancestors so he didn't remove the power of titans. The fact that Eren is bringing big change tells a lot about his Will. Eren actually goes against the Will of Hundreds of Founding Titans Will. Which fits his character as well as the Attack Titan. And people seem to forget that eren killed two grown man as a kid because as he said he will take others freedom before they take his. Marley is a threat so he will take it out. Only Him out of all who ate the Founding Titan had taken action towards Marley.
@@storieswithstyle The war Hammer Titan are also in on the whole keeping the eldians on the Island after all The WH was with Marley and the latest Titan Shifter firmly had that Ideology. The only Titan that probably makes eren act out this way is the Attack Titan. Cause I remember erens dad asking why him and then Kruger said because he had a look in his eyes that can burn the world but then Again Kruger asked himself if torturing his comrades is worth the the cause, Which shows his wavering resolution. Whilst the avatar of Founding and WH stood still to their ideology. Eren had 2 Titans where previous avatar had do much will power to keep things as is. So much so that the avatar we saw had them didn't show much crack. While he had one Titan that strives for change and Kruger shows cracks questioning if the Will he inherited on Attack Titan Avatars are right. Erens will makes the Attack Titans will triumph over the will of the other two. I can even say that erens will contributed the most on Attack Titans Will.
Also memories don't talk back. They are not voices in your head. I'm pretty sure they got the memory and choose what to do with it. For example Yuri wanted to eradicate titans even as a kid him and Rodd Reiss would bug their dad to do it but his dad never do. So he promised he will do it once he inherit the Founding. But when he saw the memories and found out that the world hates them and removing titans means removing the wall titans which is basically the only thing that is stopping the world specially Marley on killing all of them and their bloodline. I think He decided not to do it. I don't think his ancestors talked to him or controlled him all the time. He just saw their memory and decided it's better that way. Same thing with eren I think. He saw all the memories and ever since he was a kid (He killed two grown man because in his word I will take their freedom before they take mine) He was hellbent on being free even without the attack titans influence. Even before he touch his stepmom and got back his dad memories he was saying " I'll kill them all, I'll wipe out every single one of them" towards his enemy that is taking his freedom away ( which was then the titans) His stubborn nature make it so that Given all of this memories and information he was like I'll take your freedom before you take mine.
@@gabrielzuniga12710 with memories, unlike with the royal family, its probably more of an indirect matter of inheriting ideas and feelings that come with memories and then doing with those what you like but influenced by those feelings and with lara tybur we only know her rough goals in one specific fight, not her reasoning or underlying feelings or core memories or ideology I don't think being influenced by inherited memories translates to 1:1 the exact same goals but rather to similar feelings which can lead to goals that seem similar from your perspective
@@JulianDanzerHAL9001 Yeah you are probably right about the ratio thingy. Still you can't dent the fact that Eren was the turning point. Hundreds of years people inheriting the 9 Titans over and over and Eren was the breaking point.
The Ackerman is the Uchiha in AoT universe ... I think we deserve a spin-off of Ackerman family, just like the history of Madara Uchiha, we should get the story of the first Ackerman
Floch Forster/Flocke Förster is such an awesome character. I would beat the shit out of him if I could, but he's so well-written as the character he is. He represents the fact that most people are just one or two tragedies, some wrong conclusions and sudden power away from becoming actual fascists. He's a fucked up painter and we see how he got there and while some viewers seem to come to the wrong conclusion that he's therefore correct, the correct conclusion to draw is that people who behave like painters or neopainters weren't born evil nor do they lack the capacity for good; they just took several wrong turns. Gabi is a great example of someone who took a few wrong turns, realized, made a u-turn and went on the no-hate path.
In episode 06 of the third season, during the conversation between Kenny Ackerman and his grandfather it became clear that Mikasa is immune to the manipulation of the Titan power. She has always been and will be free because she has the ability to act of her own free will, but her actions and decisions have a causal origin, if this were not the case, we would be talking about metaphysical free will. In this case her will would be the first cause of her actions and would be exempt from prior determinations. Mikasa is free because her decisions are based on the conditions of her environment, perceptions, desires and emotions, and are determined by various factors, such as biological predispositions (non-genetic), and her learning history. Her decisions are caused by a mental process based on her beliefs and desires, she is free because decides based on her knowledge, values and needs, and not by other sets of causes such as pathologies or external coercion.
I rewatched the show many times and I never really thought about how Armin's philosophy is to never hit first because that's for those who ran out of arguments etc like the stuff near 17:00 , yet this is exactly his situation on this scene. Your perspective is always great to listen to
You may know this by now since I know you've finished the show but the Ackermanns are super soldiers. The royal family experimented with the titan power and infused the king's protectors with it. There's a German name for super soldiers I think, right? Was it ubermensch?
Wonderboy is a reference to Robert Redford's character Roy Hobbs's baseball bat, created from a tree struck by lightning that he witnessed, I believe, in The Natural, which is indeed a baseball movie. If this was merely a coincidence I'll eat this fucking laptop I'm typing on. Anways, it was sort of his Excalibur or Mjolnir, or a different, more esoteric myth about a divine weapon that more closely parallels this. Strangely enough, or not, in the English dub he is I think always called the "Boy Wonder" and never "Wonderboy", but if there is a country that loves baseball as much as us (or used to, srsly fuck the NFL), it's gotta be Japan (or any unbelievably poor and/or oppressed island in the Caribbean).
The whole Ackerman slave stuff is bullshit, or at least most of it. It doesn't make any sense. I mean the whole reason the Ackermans were prosecuted was because they turned AGAINST the king. That doesn't exactly sound like someone who is being controlled. If we use the whole host thing and apply it to Levi, I imagine Erwin would have been his host, but Levi has never once become reckless and eager to protect when Erwin was in danger. In fact, he's the one who let Erwin die. Even if there is something with the Ackermans where they have a tendency to find a host to follow, I do not believe it is as strong as Eren makes it seem. I do not think it makes them slaves with no control. I think they very much have full control. Mikasa is just in love with Eren and that's why she acts like that.
31:19 Marley still produces Titan serum as long as they control Eldians outside the walls. Keith's training remains relevant even after Paradis opened up to the reality of the world. Yes they still have to worry about other nations but their main enemy is still Marley.
Is it weird that i never once hated Eren this season? I just had in the back of my head, that there must be a damn good reason for him to act the dick like this, and do all these things that hurt HIMSELF as much as others. My attitude the entire time, right up until the end, was "let him cook". And i feel i was correct.
Not to me, though in the final eps I had the feeling there was a twist coming. I just did not expect the twist to be "eren is not a slave to freedom but for hate" and then I also gave in to the hate (though now I see it a bit more differentiated and have gone back on some things I thought. Which I freaking LOVE) =)
@@storieswithstyle I must say, I don't see it that way. He's not a slave to hatred. A few things all compounded. He was naturally reckless, single minded, protective of his friends, and wanted his damn freedom. If anything, he's a slave to his own character traits. All those traits, coupled with the vision he saw of a titan-less world (brought about by his death at Mikasa's hand, and nothing else), meant he would never NOT choose to do the Rumbling. He knew if he made Mikasa kill him, Titans would end. So really, he's been exactly the same since episode 2. "I'll wipe them out, every last one." I don't see it simply as hate.
@@aarondimoff5180 agreed, it is not simply hate, but hate is his core. hehas other traits, of course, but he will chose hate in the end. which is why he is awesomly writen. He struggles with it all untilthe armin talk and then realises it. Still, the question is to me rather: his hate or the hate of the memories? And are they even two things? =) But I discuss my impressions in more detail in the special reaction, where I address my then view of those things you mention. =)
@@storieswithstyle As i agree Eren share memories and suffer with all Eldians, the reaction you have on memories is your own character. Memories can't create feelings from nothing. It's like when you learn something new, the way you feel about it is your own. In real life it's like that. Memories, are not what shape feelings, they provoked it. But since it's you who feel that way towards these memories, all your feelings are only yours. Feelings are not shared with titant's powers, only memories. And memories can't create feelings, they can only provoke your own feelings, or make it stronger. For exemple, if Eren hate Marley for killing Grisha's sister, it's his own feelings, not his father's feelings. he only access memories, not feelings. The way he see these memories is about Eren himself, not someone else. And i agree it influenced him. Every knowledge influence you in real life. But we didn't think he is no more Eren, Eren just changed, that's all.
@@storieswithstyle And in season 4, he is far from being hatefull. He is more sad and broken than hatefull. Like he said it himself, he alsways was who he was since birth. He always was ready to kill people who want to stole his freedom. And even if hate drive him for a long time. It was no more the case after he accessed memories. He was just sad and depressed all the time. He knew what he'll doing and he was sad about it, he was sad about avenge his people. What is hatefull in this ? I agree Eren experienced past suffer. But not hate. Like i said, he only access memories, not feelings. The way he see these memories are his own feelings. And as far as we know in the end, he only felt guilt and sadness. These memories just made him more depressed, because he realized how complicated the world was. He just knew human are evil. And he realized he was like them. That's why hate is no more his main feeling. He feel sad and broken, and guilty. And he fear for his friends, love them, and want to look at the world he wanted in his childhood. All in the same time. Like he said in one songs, "we are full of contradictions." And that's exactly who Eren is in season 4. He is the most human character written in this show, because he has a lot of different feelings clashing in his mind. He is full of contradictions and opposed feelings. That's why, i guess, he feel lost.
I haven’t finished the reaction yet so you might change what you just said but I disagree that Eren doesn’t hate people who ‘live like livestock’. I distinctly remember him having an issue with Mikasa and Armin trying to abide by the rules to survive after the first wall fell. Mikasa punched his lights out after he started yapping and calling Armin weak remember? 😂 He never once revises or takes back that sentiment until maybe the conversation Historia in season 3 where he starts begging to be killed or with Reiner in season 4 before the attack on Marley. Even then, he’s not acting in favour of change. The difference is we could sympathise with Eren’s disdain of being confined by the walls and his frustration with everyone who is okay with it as a child but now he is a grown man with a far more nuanced understanding of the world and he STILL refuses to ‘compromise’ his ideals. He is still pursuing freedom with no regard for peace and at this moment in time, I’d say just for selfish reasons. Of course, there could still be more to it that we as viewers aren’t privy to as of yet and that’s the beauty of Attack on Titan 😁
How is Floch a painter person? Didnt the painter try to return Germany to more traditional values and seemingly "antiquated" ways? He spoke on how Germany had been led astray with modern values, and how they needed to return to the glory days. That's the opposite of what Floch is doing, unless I'm missing something.
I think you missed that he is also for Genocide of all other people and tries to implement that by 1:1 the painter methods throughout the later half off season 4. :)
What do you mean Eren got Sasha killed? Death is part of war.. and Sasha was a soldier! Also, Erwin led the whole scouts regiment to a *certain* death, was he not a good leader as well?
erwin faought breainles smosnters at worst, eternally tortured souls at best. Eren started bombing innocent chidlren and made Armin nuke a harbor. I can not see how those two are comparable.
@@storieswithstyle I'm not saying they are the same, I'm just saying that getting your comrades and friends killed as a result of your plan doesn't mean you're a bad leader. Erwin was cornered in his last charge so we get it, but what about his plans to catch Annie? How many scouts died just to buy him some time to prepare his little trap? And how many innocent civilians died when he managed to catch her the second time? You could argue that there must have been a better plan, and I think it's the same for Eren as well. There must have been a better plan, for sure, but he didn't see it, and he was running out of time too so he had to do something. I'm not approving of what Eren did btw, just to be clear lol It's all about getting Sasha killed.
astute observations in regards to eren’s views differing from earlier seasons. I was too blinded by my hatred for Eren then to catch that! in other news, armin is still as brilliant as always!!
@@mgrizzleelol hey friend, it’s a reference to Mr. Hilters failed career as a painter where he got rejected from the art school he applied too. It’s a very sensitive subject, so referring to people as Painters or Painter People is what that means.
Personally I had a pretty good read on Eren in these scenes or even this season. I missed a lot in the series (for example eren and annie looking like their titans), but I am proud about this one. The last nail was when Eren said he always hated Mikasa, because while the rest could have been true and had truth in it... that was clearly a lie. And the foreshadowing with the train scene where he says he basically cares about them the most, and f*ck the rest. And so much other foreshadowing (for another example his convo with Reiner, where he shows that he is not overtaken by hate. Last seasons he wanted to kill them because he hated them, now he sees they are the same, but he proceeds anyway). Interesting to see most reactors not being with Eren on this. I think because I still believed in Eren and his cause and the Yaegerists (except floch obviously :D) it was easier for me to get to Eren's true motivation. Even you who got most things right were blinded a bit here by the general dislike for his plan :D In general why am I pro Yeagerist? Well it's not like the military is elected, sooo the strongest get's to rule... Also atleast from what we saw Erin had the support of the people. And at that point when you have the power you have the responsibility to use it... it would also be immoral to just follow orders if you don't agree with them. But yeah, Eren forced the militaries hand with attacking in Liberio. The military and Eren didn't trust each other. At the point where Eren did overertly take over, the military was planning to have him eaten. Understandable when they think he is "controlled" by Zeke. As for Eren's war... he did wait for the world to declare war on them first. There was no option for peace. The world would have never trusted Eldians, because yeah they are literally a different race and a ticking time bomb.
But in the end that was not his true motivation. It was not his friends. he jsut told that to them (and in part himself) to justify his hateful actions (which was an awesome twist). He directly (as directly as possible for him) kill Hange, inderctly kills sasha and heavily scars all his friends mentally. Also, just because it is a lie still makes this abuse (which is "good", beacuse Ymir needed to see that). The convo with reiner he is also subjugated to destiny, so he can not act against him. He also thinks reiner was hateful (I think) and that is why he thinks they are alike. But I think that discussion is more useful later in the review streams where I can talk more and adress these points from my view more adequately. =) But eren caring for his friends the most is simply not true, I would say they are his second most priority. he will save them except when the rumbling is threatened.
@@lolroflundxd Yeah, that is why I love Eren. I actually have an interpretation that still makes him a "good guy", given some assumptions, so I will def discuss that down the line. =) I think the author gave us ambiguity so that indeed there is a possibility for "good, tragic Eren" =)
@@storieswithstyle Thank you! You might actually be the first reactor who got that. Most people get confused and think eren ultimately did it for his friends ignoring all he says to armin at the sea and during his talk to ramzi
12:02 And free them he did. At the end of the day, Eren managed to do just that albeit only for a short period of time. His people, mainly the ones around him was set free. Unfortunately, it didn't take much time for humanity's true nature to kick in and repeat the cycle of tragedy again. 🤷
Yes, I guess you're right. Perhaps what they had after ending the Founding Titan's actions was a false sense of security and peace. This show keeps me questioning myself and my thoughts dang it. 🤦
Now that you saw the ending, you know that the past memories stuff was not quite the thing to care. Eren did what he did because of himself, not because of other's memories. He is not a slave to someone's memories, he is a slave to his own desire, and his own memories. He is manipulated by himself. And he will obtain his goal whatever it cost. A lot others desires were inside his head, ( that's why he was not sure about his decision.) but basically, Eren is Eren and he alwayas have been. He never trully changed. He just erased his emotions because he needed to. And because he experienced everything before everyone else, making him the man with the most amount of knowledge in SNK. He ate the fruit of knowledge, and sins... And from that he became omniscient. The fact you obtain a great amount of knowledge and act differently doesn't mean you are not yourself anymore. But the fact is that this is his memories, that made him like that, his own memories. the problem is not to have a lot memories from the past of others peronns, but to not be able to know when are these memories. You lose your perception of what is real. You don't even know if what you are actually living is true. And i desagree with something. Eren is a good tactician, as long as he is able to restrain his emotions. The mask he put on his face this whole fourth season was the perfect proof. You saw yourself he won several battles and knew exactly how to use his powers the most efficiently possible. Indeed, he is not the most intelligent of the show, and not the wisest. He is not a good strategist. But he is a good tactician. And that's a fact. He know how to adapt to a situation on the battlefield. That's intelligence. He has the charisma to be a good leader too. Even if i think this is thanks to Floch here. Eren didn't care about that, i think. Another thing... if a good leader is someone who don't kill his mens, then a good leader doesn't exist. Erwin was a bad leader too. Eren is a twisted verion of Erwin, here. He is his reflect, but turned into something more extremist. And he is an opposite in some ways. Where Erwin gave up his dreams for the greater good. Eren gave up the greater good for his dreams. They are both the same, except in their last decision. No matter what, Eren charged recklessly because he was young and unable to control himself. This is something you can do by growing. But since his moral compass is not quite the same as everyone else, he never learned how to restrain himself, until he was in the Scout, forced to not let his emotions talk. And now that you saw the end. You know why Eren laughed when Sasha died. He knew what will happen. And he tried to avoid it. But futur can't change, when there is only one futur possible...
I would disagree about the memories - well, not really, rather that it is not clear. We only know at the end that the "cause" was the hatred within him. But it is still open if that is his own flaw or the hatred of all his people ("old man hatred") chaining him down again and again. I could see both ways. I currently like the latter more, as I think it brings more meanings, but the other interpretation also brings many cool meanings. I love that it is ambiguos, actually. =) About the leader, I think sending people to their death is evil, so "good" as in the opposite, I agree, there is no good leader (in the show at least). Also, I have another idea why he laughed, but that will need to be discussed in the after-aot livestream, I think. =)
@@storieswithstyle If you remember, Grisha was not that much of a hater, in the end. It's Eren who pushed Grisha to be like he is. By logic, it's Eren who pushed himself to be who he will be. Eren is the only one who is able to influence past with the Attack Titan power. Because he is the only one who came into past memories. I don't know if you understood this part about his powers. But Eren choose what memories he will show to Grisha and the past inheritors. And he control also his own past memories. So, he manipulated the past to go exactly into the futur meant to be. The Attack Titan is his will and always was. It's him who created the will of the Attack Titan, because he is the only one in the History who was able to use its power. He created the past by his power. So, if he is manipulated by past hatred, it's also by his own hatred. He is the only one who was able to send memories in the past, and the only one who wrote the story. He created the will and the memories of the Attack Titan, with his own. And he saw his memories through his dad's memories too. So, he was manipulated by his own hatred. Undeed, you can say Grisha influened Eren, and influenced himself too. This is the famous question. Who was the first one, the egg, or the chicken ? They are both in the same time. It's a paradoxe. Eren's hate is all past Attack Titans hate. But all past Attack titan are also Eren's hate. You are wrong and right. But in facts, there is no answers, because both answers are true in the same time.
@@vincentvieille5996 No, still disagree in that there are definitely interpretations. He did say "past, present and future are all one", but that also might hold true for past, present and future of all eldians (he was conencted with the paths and founder). Thus their hate. It is acutally a line that in that interpretation is saying exaclty that. because their whole past present and future are suffering and hatred (embodied by Ymir as well, thematically). Grisha only had attack, like all before. That is why it did not really affect them that much. What did Eren in was attack and founder together. Again, that is an interpretation, but it is a valid one. It is in the end ambiguous how exactly those things are to be understood. and is subjective.
@@storieswithstyle Sorry You answered before i even finished my anwer lol. I posted it and corrected several times to organize it correctly. But here is my thought to conclude. You are right and wrong in the same time. Both answers are true in the same time. Because of how work the powers of the Attack Titan. It's a paradox. Since it's a paradox, everyone influenced Eren and Eren influenced everyone. You can't say for true who was the first to influence the other. But in term of fact, Eren sent his memories to all past inheritors, and as the Only one who was ever able to use all the potential of both Attack and Fouding titan in the same time. Basically, the will of the Attack titan is his will. Remember even if Eren is connected to the Paths, he is the last one of the Attack Titan and Foudning Titan. It mean he was the only one to trully influence everything. His will lead all the Attack Titan in the past. But since they were in the past, it was also their will who influenced Eren. There is no answer to who was the one to influence who. They both did in the same time. It's a paradox in time loop. There is not first and last, only a cirle. The end and the begenning are the same, as Eren's hate is everyone's hate and everyone's hate is his hate. This is how a god should be, it he exist, a being who is everyone and everyone is himself in the same time. This concept is complete madness, but i love it. And i'm sure you loved it too, as someone who like scientific concepts.
@@vincentvieille5996 Yes, that might also be that Eren's hate is everynes hate and vice versa, which i agree with at least 100% from the point he has the attack titan plus his dreams in episode 1, but what I meant was the hate he showed in the mikasa meeting with the grapers. That is the inital hate we see and the question is whether that situation was caused by the future or if that was "just him". We never see that, though actually he flashes back to it and says something like "I have always been hateful" or something. That to me implies that even knowing everything, he still acknowledges in that situation it was just him. because he says "it was just him" from the "allknowing point" (armin talk), which led me to believe at least in the initial reaction that yes, the hate originated in him without the paradox annd just amplified everything. But it definitely merits a live discussion :D because I also really like the take of it being the same, though currently I struggle with the evidence (only for the mikasa scene,mind you, though that is basically his ground zero). =) Hope that made sense, it is hard to write down :D
People need to understand that an entire world want to annihilate Paradis island even now and the scout are doing nothing but Eren, Floch and the jeagerist want to stop that so they are monster….. ? The real monster here is the world and the scout because it’s like they agree with what the world thinks of Eldians… Hell no I’m with the jeagerist always !
I think the ‘initiation’ ritual floch started is not only reminiscent of the painter party, but also the ancient Roman decimation ritual, and how they made roman soldiers brutally murder their disobedient comrades or risk being a victim themselves, and how they manage to ensure and guarantee absolute loyalty in the legion
MAPPA: So there's one soldier I need to be wary of?
WIT: Yes, Captain Levi's animation cost is dangerous.
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Very true.
The funniest part is when Zeke yelling "Oh, come on! Not again!". He has PLTD (post levi stress disorder)
*PLSD
Yes, really great they made like that :D
@@storieswithstyle do you plan to read the manga berserk?
@@Shinwicked I already have, one of my favourites. =)
@@storieswithstyle oh ok
Imagine they accidently deliver normal wine instead of the ones with Zeke's spinal fluid and then Zeke just scream but nothing happen.
I would have laughed a lot at that :D
That would have been soo funny xD
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Levi : my entire team got converted into titans and I had to kill all of them
Ghost erwin : just another day for the survey corps
😂😂😂😂😂
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The first time I saw the scene of Levi floating mid air around his comrades I thought he was worried about whether he would survive. It’s crazy to realize that he wasn’t worried about that at all and he was just sad that he had to kill them all. That’s both badass and sad af at the same time.
Yeah, he was just like "F**, again..." =(
Man, that moment where Levi is floating in the air and his eyes slowly begin to close. You can see he's just shutting off his emotions for what needs to be done
Well, I might as well point this out since the anime never actually explains this part…
In the manga, Eren says the Ackermans were the result of old experiments with Titan Science, a subject the anime also addresses even less.
These experiments turned the original Ackermans into anomalies with their own exclusive branches in the Paths that only their bloodline can access, allowing them to tap into the combat experience of all previous Ackerman generations.
They also gained the ability to manifest pure titan strength, stamina and durability in their human form.
So in summary, they are basically Subjects of Ymir with natural pure titans capabilities and bloodline-based memory sharing similar to the Nine Titans. THAT’S why they’re so broken. XD
Levi had 4 thunder spears that weighed over 5kg per 1 and still managed to use his swords and move fast enough to confuse Zeke.
I like how Levi was surrounded by 30 abnormal Titans (more faster Titans) but his struggle wasnt about he could survive them or not. ;v
The despair in Levi’s eyes is what makes this scene so powerful. The fact he knows he has to kill his comrades like he has before. He understands his cycle
The fact that Levi's eyes slowly transitioned back to its lifelessness like in Season 1 is just painful, I feel so sad for my man, Levi
That Frame of Levi surrounded has to be one of the coldest in all of anime 😂
I think Zeke knew he couldn't beat Levi in a 1v1. That's why he mutilated the last titan, to make Levi forget about it.
He was hedging his bets on that titan coming for him after it regenerated, which it did.
Levi suggested a Jeagerist to eat Zeke because the power comes with a lifespan limit, so he wouldn't pick anyone he cares for.
That's such an awful thing that Zeke did. He used Levi's biggest weakness against him, that's his love for his fellow soldiers. I feel so bad for the soldiers and Levi.
Yeah, AND HE STILL CLOWNED ON HIM xD Levi is just a force of nature. =)
@@storieswithstyle Not the first time Levi's whole squad got wiped out... or the second time. He was like "this sucks but it's not unexpected".
It's difficult to say it's even a weakness. Zeke's strategy was a real blunder - he should've understood Levi would fight back, since the first time they met was when Levi had sacrificed nearly every Scout to get a shot at him. Big mistake for him to think that was just Erwin's Plan™️.
The hesitancy of Levi to kill his former subordinates and remembering their faces in mid combat, then coming to the realization that he must kill them all combined with that sorrowful but cold blooded look made me feel for Levi. What a heavy burden on his shoulders and strength it must take to carry out such an action.
Two mistakes the beast titan made:
1) Picked a fight with an Ackerman
2) It was Levi Ackerman
it's just Levi reminding Zeke that he's Levi
Levi destroyed the beast titan like He was some useless Background titan
Every tian is a random background titan to levi xD
Y'all realize Levi took out 27 titans, caught up to Zeke, took out the three protecting him, defeated the beast titan, and it wasnt even sundown yet?
Why people in the comment keep spoiling anything related to the final episode, please avoid that, some people here who watch with storieswithstyle on yt haven't even watched the next episode yet, could you please refrain yourself from spoiling anything related to future episodes
At least put !spoiler! Warning first
This is especially emotional for levi because he is at the place where his former levi squad also died
Loads of reactors don't even think to question what Old Man Hatred says to Armin and Mikasa, so hearing you clown on him (especially at 18:20) was very satisfying and hilarious
Yes :D After the reactions are up, i will def do a "does Old man hatred exist or was it Erens own hatred he naturally had because he is really evil in part" poll down the line :D
I honestly don't know which is funnier the fact that Zeke was pissing his pants at the sight of Levi or the fact that he thought he could get away
I've never noticed or heard other reactors point out that Armin being reduced to throwing punches contrasts with his very first scene in the series, or that Eren is now beating up the friend he used to protect. Great analysis! Seriously, what must Isayama's mind be like to be able to so smoothly layer these themes, callbacks, and dialogue like this. It would be a shame if a decade from now Isayama isn't studied for his literary techniques as much as his story.
Time to find out if Zekes #1 hater stands on business or folds and feels some sympathy for Zeke next episode
Edit: style is actually Zekes #2 hater #1 is Levi😂
I think the next episode you will fall in love with Zeke, it is just my imagination maybe in another life Levi and Zeke could become best buddies or maybe lovers because of the history they were bickering over and over, and Zeke also showed jealousy when Levi said he was popular amongst women (and or men) yeah it is my theory they may become a lovely couple in alternative universe if multiverse (just like in the avengers movies) do exist
I dont like it tho he villain here hate him tho his friend yes but love not sure tho have nice day
I say this all the time whenever I watch your posts,"You're so Smart!!!!"
Like every time you pause and use that noggin of yours, I'm Always nodding my head in agreement or saying "wow, he's so frickin smart"
This show is fundamentally important in the sense it's able to breach any age groups and worldwide ppl intuitively understand what's going on/being said, reaching unlimited amounts of potential viewers.
Many, if not all, real world conflicts can be seen in this show.
This show is a lesson in understanding many things, such as the human condition.
I believe
Yeah, the show is utter brilliance. Also, love all th elayers. =)
Now that i noticed above the table it has a paint of two sail ships fighting..... Even on the sea, the dream of Armin, humans are fighting, and now Eren is in conflict with them....
Yes, if there is two people, somewhere down the line they will fight, it is inevitable (as erwin said)
This conversation around the table is brilliant because everything is so plausible. What, if anything, is real?
"Do you know how to tell a good lie? sometimes you gotta mix some truth into it"
A few episodes ago:
Pyxis(to yelena): the best way to tell a lie is adding a little bit of the truth in it.
Last episode:
Zeke: in ragako we used a gas made of my spinal fluid (truth), which made everyone fall unconscious (lie).
This episode:
Eren: the Ackermann were designed to protect the king (truth). By mistake, you (Mikasa) thought I was the host you had to protect (lie). You've always had headaches (true) because your inner self is fighting those instincts (lie).
It's so interesting how Pyxis told us "don't believe any of the Jeager brothers' bullsh*t" beforehand
I don't think it's the past inheritors that is causing eren to act out this way. Remember all of the past founding Titan wanted things to remain the same. And even if the other founding Titan like Uri who swore he would eradicate Titans. But when he inherited the Founding he didn't want change. As Rod reiss said he lost to the memories of his ancestors so he didn't remove the power of titans. The fact that Eren is bringing big change tells a lot about his Will.
Eren actually goes against the Will of Hundreds of Founding Titans Will. Which fits his character as well as the Attack Titan.
And people seem to forget that eren killed two grown man as a kid because as he said he will take others freedom before they take his.
Marley is a threat so he will take it out. Only Him out of all who ate the Founding Titan had taken action towards Marley.
If Eren just had founder, yes, but now he does have Attack and Warhammer. That are the ones I am thinking are doing it :)
@@storieswithstyle The war Hammer Titan are also in on the whole keeping the eldians on the Island after all The WH was with Marley and the latest Titan Shifter firmly had that Ideology. The only Titan that probably makes eren act out this way is the Attack Titan. Cause I remember erens dad asking why him and then Kruger said because he had a look in his eyes that can burn the world but then Again Kruger asked himself if torturing his comrades is worth the the cause, Which shows his wavering resolution. Whilst the avatar of Founding and WH stood still to their ideology.
Eren had 2 Titans where previous avatar had do much will power to keep things as is. So much so that the avatar we saw had them didn't show much crack. While he had one Titan that strives for change and Kruger shows cracks questioning if the Will he inherited on Attack Titan Avatars are right.
Erens will makes the Attack Titans will triumph over the will of the other two. I can even say that erens will contributed the most on Attack Titans Will.
Also memories don't talk back. They are not voices in your head. I'm pretty sure they got the memory and choose what to do with it. For example Yuri wanted to eradicate titans even as a kid him and Rodd Reiss would bug their dad to do it but his dad never do. So he promised he will do it once he inherit the Founding.
But when he saw the memories and found out that the world hates them and removing titans means removing the wall titans which is basically the only thing that is stopping the world specially Marley on killing all of them and their bloodline. I think He decided not to do it. I don't think his ancestors talked to him or controlled him all the time. He just saw their memory and decided it's better that way.
Same thing with eren I think. He saw all the memories and ever since he was a kid (He killed two grown man because in his word I will take their freedom before they take mine) He was hellbent on being free even without the attack titans influence. Even before he touch his stepmom and got back his dad memories he was saying " I'll kill them all, I'll wipe out every single one of them" towards his enemy that is taking his freedom away ( which was then the titans) His stubborn nature make it so that Given all of this memories and information he was like I'll take your freedom before you take mine.
@@gabrielzuniga12710 with memories, unlike with the royal family, its probably more of an indirect matter of inheriting ideas and feelings that come with memories and then doing with those what you like but influenced by those feelings
and with lara tybur we only know her rough goals in one specific fight, not her reasoning or underlying feelings or core memories or ideology
I don't think being influenced by inherited memories translates to 1:1 the exact same goals but rather to similar feelings which can lead to goals that seem similar from your perspective
@@JulianDanzerHAL9001 Yeah you are probably right about the ratio thingy. Still you can't dent the fact that Eren was the turning point. Hundreds of years people inheriting the 9 Titans over and over and Eren was the breaking point.
“He’s a monster right now!” Yeah, more to come 😅.
Painter has to be a german leader... :D
@@storieswithstyleha! That schweinhund!
Titans when they see Levi 😱
Zeke when he see Levi 😱
Animators when they see Levi 😱
The Ackerman is the Uchiha in AoT universe ... I think we deserve a spin-off of Ackerman family, just like the history of Madara Uchiha, we should get the story of the first Ackerman
Floch Forster/Flocke Förster is such an awesome character. I would beat the shit out of him if I could, but he's so well-written as the character he is. He represents the fact that most people are just one or two tragedies, some wrong conclusions and sudden power away from becoming actual fascists. He's a fucked up painter and we see how he got there and while some viewers seem to come to the wrong conclusion that he's therefore correct, the correct conclusion to draw is that people who behave like painters or neopainters weren't born evil nor do they lack the capacity for good; they just took several wrong turns.
Gabi is a great example of someone who took a few wrong turns, realized, made a u-turn and went on the no-hate path.
Yeah, writing wise i do think i put him at number 5 or something 😂
In episode 06 of the third season, during the conversation between Kenny Ackerman and his grandfather it became clear that Mikasa is immune to the manipulation of the Titan power. She has always been and will be free because she has the ability to act of her own free will, but her actions and decisions have a causal origin, if this were not the case, we would be talking about metaphysical free will. In this case her will would be the first cause of her actions and would be exempt from prior determinations. Mikasa is free because her decisions are based on the conditions of her environment, perceptions, desires and emotions, and are determined by various factors, such as biological predispositions (non-genetic), and her learning history. Her decisions are caused by a mental process based on her beliefs and desires, she is free because decides based on her knowledge, values and needs, and not by other sets of causes such as pathologies or external coercion.
Yes, I know. =) But at this point in the show it might have been snew information, not a lie. =)
"This asshole is bleeding into me!"
You should make that a shirt 😂
Better not :D
I cant wait to see what you think after they humanize zeke next episode like you predicted lol
I rewatched the show many times and I never really thought about how Armin's philosophy is to never hit first because that's for those who ran out of arguments etc like the stuff near 17:00 , yet this is exactly his situation on this scene. Your perspective is always great to listen to
THE TITLE it's killing me hahahaha
The next 7 episodes are the only reason I love this anime
You may know this by now since I know you've finished the show but the Ackermanns are super soldiers. The royal family experimented with the titan power and infused the king's protectors with it. There's a German name for super soldiers I think, right? Was it ubermensch?
All Ackermanns kinda fall for someone and obey them without question, Kenny did it with Uri, Levi with Erwin and Mikasa with Eren...
Wonderboy is a reference to Robert Redford's character Roy Hobbs's baseball bat, created from a tree struck by lightning that he witnessed, I believe, in The Natural, which is indeed a baseball movie. If this was merely a coincidence I'll eat this fucking laptop I'm typing on. Anways, it was sort of his Excalibur or Mjolnir, or a different, more esoteric myth about a divine weapon that more closely parallels this. Strangely enough, or not, in the English dub he is I think always called the "Boy Wonder" and never "Wonderboy", but if there is a country that loves baseball as much as us (or used to, srsly fuck the NFL), it's gotta be Japan (or any unbelievably poor and/or oppressed island in the Caribbean).
The whole Ackerman slave stuff is bullshit, or at least most of it. It doesn't make any sense. I mean the whole reason the Ackermans were prosecuted was because they turned AGAINST the king. That doesn't exactly sound like someone who is being controlled. If we use the whole host thing and apply it to Levi, I imagine Erwin would have been his host, but Levi has never once become reckless and eager to protect when Erwin was in danger. In fact, he's the one who let Erwin die.
Even if there is something with the Ackermans where they have a tendency to find a host to follow, I do not believe it is as strong as Eren makes it seem. I do not think it makes them slaves with no control. I think they very much have full control. Mikasa is just in love with Eren and that's why she acts like that.
Yeah, host is bullshit. =)
31:19 Marley still produces Titan serum as long as they control Eldians outside the walls. Keith's training remains relevant even after Paradis opened up to the reality of the world. Yes they still have to worry about other nations but their main enemy is still Marley.
Is it weird that i never once hated Eren this season? I just had in the back of my head, that there must be a damn good reason for him to act the dick like this, and do all these things that hurt HIMSELF as much as others. My attitude the entire time, right up until the end, was "let him cook". And i feel i was correct.
Not to me, though in the final eps I had the feeling there was a twist coming. I just did not expect the twist to be "eren is not a slave to freedom but for hate" and then I also gave in to the hate (though now I see it a bit more differentiated and have gone back on some things I thought. Which I freaking LOVE) =)
@@storieswithstyle I must say, I don't see it that way. He's not a slave to hatred. A few things all compounded. He was naturally reckless, single minded, protective of his friends, and wanted his damn freedom. If anything, he's a slave to his own character traits. All those traits, coupled with the vision he saw of a titan-less world (brought about by his death at Mikasa's hand, and nothing else), meant he would never NOT choose to do the Rumbling. He knew if he made Mikasa kill him, Titans would end. So really, he's been exactly the same since episode 2. "I'll wipe them out, every last one." I don't see it simply as hate.
@@aarondimoff5180 agreed, it is not simply hate, but hate is his core. hehas other traits, of course, but he will chose hate in the end. which is why he is awesomly writen. He struggles with it all untilthe armin talk and then realises it. Still, the question is to me rather: his hate or the hate of the memories? And are they even two things? =) But I discuss my impressions in more detail in the special reaction, where I address my then view of those things you mention. =)
@@storieswithstyle As i agree Eren share memories and suffer with all Eldians, the reaction you have on memories is your own character. Memories can't create feelings from nothing. It's like when you learn something new, the way you feel about it is your own. In real life it's like that. Memories, are not what shape feelings, they provoked it. But since it's you who feel that way towards these memories, all your feelings are only yours. Feelings are not shared with titant's powers, only memories. And memories can't create feelings, they can only provoke your own feelings, or make it stronger. For exemple, if Eren hate Marley for killing Grisha's sister, it's his own feelings, not his father's feelings. he only access memories, not feelings. The way he see these memories is about Eren himself, not someone else. And i agree it influenced him. Every knowledge influence you in real life. But we didn't think he is no more Eren, Eren just changed, that's all.
@@storieswithstyle And in season 4, he is far from being hatefull. He is more sad and broken than hatefull. Like he said it himself, he alsways was who he was since birth. He always was ready to kill people who want to stole his freedom.
And even if hate drive him for a long time. It was no more the case after he accessed memories. He was just sad and depressed all the time. He knew what he'll doing and he was sad about it, he was sad about avenge his people. What is hatefull in this ? I agree Eren experienced past suffer. But not hate. Like i said, he only access memories, not feelings. The way he see these memories are his own feelings.
And as far as we know in the end, he only felt guilt and sadness. These memories just made him more depressed, because he realized how complicated the world was. He just knew human are evil. And he realized he was like them. That's why hate is no more his main feeling. He feel sad and broken, and guilty. And he fear for his friends, love them, and want to look at the world he wanted in his childhood. All in the same time. Like he said in one songs, "we are full of contradictions." And that's exactly who Eren is in season 4.
He is the most human character written in this show, because he has a lot of different feelings clashing in his mind. He is full of contradictions and opposed feelings. That's why, i guess, he feel lost.
Pahigop ang tawa ni bossing
I haven’t finished the reaction yet so you might change what you just said but I disagree that Eren doesn’t hate people who ‘live like livestock’. I distinctly remember him having an issue with Mikasa and Armin trying to abide by the rules to survive after the first wall fell. Mikasa punched his lights out after he started yapping and calling Armin weak remember? 😂 He never once revises or takes back that sentiment until maybe the conversation Historia in season 3 where he starts begging to be killed or with Reiner in season 4 before the attack on Marley. Even then, he’s not acting in favour of change. The difference is we could sympathise with Eren’s disdain of being confined by the walls and his frustration with everyone who is okay with it as a child but now he is a grown man with a far more nuanced understanding of the world and he STILL refuses to ‘compromise’ his ideals. He is still pursuing freedom with no regard for peace and at this moment in time, I’d say just for selfish reasons. Of course, there could still be more to it that we as viewers aren’t privy to as of yet and that’s the beauty of Attack on Titan 😁
Yes, agree! I would have more to add, but will wait for the live discussions afterthe show.=)
How is Floch a painter person? Didnt the painter try to return Germany to more traditional values and seemingly "antiquated" ways? He spoke on how Germany had been led astray with modern values, and how they needed to return to the glory days. That's the opposite of what Floch is doing, unless I'm missing something.
I think you missed that he is also for Genocide of all other people and tries to implement that by 1:1 the painter methods throughout the later half off season 4. :)
Im glad you finally recognised Floch's artistic talents 😊
Yes, he has got that austrian style 😂
No wonder Eren won the villain award (and also won the hero award before this season comes out)
Yeah, Idef agree he is both depending on you interpret things :)
wasn't it best protagonist and best antagonist? He won them both simultaneously after this part of the season aired
Please react to the Anime "Monster". The Story is set in Germany and even deeper than AoT!
32:00 alternative AoT timeline Eren
What do you mean Eren got Sasha killed? Death is part of war.. and Sasha was a soldier! Also, Erwin led the whole scouts regiment to a *certain* death, was he not a good leader as well?
erwin faought breainles smosnters at worst, eternally tortured souls at best. Eren started bombing innocent chidlren and made Armin nuke a harbor. I can not see how those two are comparable.
@@storieswithstyle I'm not saying they are the same, I'm just saying that getting your comrades and friends killed as a result of your plan doesn't mean you're a bad leader. Erwin was cornered in his last charge so we get it, but what about his plans to catch Annie? How many scouts died just to buy him some time to prepare his little trap? And how many innocent civilians died when he managed to catch her the second time? You could argue that there must have been a better plan, and I think it's the same for Eren as well. There must have been a better plan, for sure, but he didn't see it, and he was running out of time too so he had to do something.
I'm not approving of what Eren did btw, just to be clear lol It's all about getting Sasha killed.
astute observations in regards to eren’s views differing from earlier seasons. I was too blinded by my hatred for Eren then to catch that!
in other news, armin is still as brilliant as always!!
Yeah, I rage a lot at eren in the future as well, though. When the rumbling starts, I just go off on him almost any time he is mentioned :D
eren physically beat up the mind (armin) and mentally broke down the brawn (mikasa)
what does painter mean in this context??
N@zi:)
@@storieswithstyle oh! Never heard of it lol
@@mgrizzlee he is referring to them as Paintes bcs the Leader tried to be a painter before becoming who he was
@@mgrizzleelol hey friend, it’s a reference to Mr. Hilters failed career as a painter where he got rejected from the art school he applied too. It’s a very sensitive subject, so referring to people as Painters or Painter People is what that means.
Personally I had a pretty good read on Eren in these scenes or even this season. I missed a lot in the series (for example eren and annie looking like their titans), but I am proud about this one.
The last nail was when Eren said he always hated Mikasa, because while the rest could have been true and had truth in it... that was clearly a lie. And the foreshadowing with the train scene where he says he basically cares about them the most, and f*ck the rest. And so much other foreshadowing (for another example his convo with Reiner, where he shows that he is not overtaken by hate. Last seasons he wanted to kill them because he hated them, now he sees they are the same, but he proceeds anyway).
Interesting to see most reactors not being with Eren on this. I think because I still believed in Eren and his cause and the Yaegerists (except floch obviously :D) it was easier for me to get to Eren's true motivation. Even you who got most things right were blinded a bit here by the general dislike for his plan :D
In general why am I pro Yeagerist? Well it's not like the military is elected, sooo the strongest get's to rule... Also atleast from what we saw Erin had the support of the people. And at that point when you have the power you have the responsibility to use it... it would also be immoral to just follow orders if you don't agree with them. But yeah, Eren forced the militaries hand with attacking in Liberio.
The military and Eren didn't trust each other. At the point where Eren did overertly take over, the military was planning to have him eaten. Understandable when they think he is "controlled" by Zeke.
As for Eren's war... he did wait for the world to declare war on them first. There was no option for peace. The world would have never trusted Eldians, because yeah they are literally a different race and a ticking time bomb.
But in the end that was not his true motivation. It was not his friends. he jsut told that to them (and in part himself) to justify his hateful actions (which was an awesome twist). He directly (as directly as possible for him) kill Hange, inderctly kills sasha and heavily scars all his friends mentally. Also, just because it is a lie still makes this abuse (which is "good", beacuse Ymir needed to see that). The convo with reiner he is also subjugated to destiny, so he can not act against him. He also thinks reiner was hateful (I think) and that is why he thinks they are alike. But I think that discussion is more useful later in the review streams where I can talk more and adress these points from my view more adequately. =) But eren caring for his friends the most is simply not true, I would say they are his second most priority. he will save them except when the rumbling is threatened.
@@storieswithstyle Yeah, I also get that. It is complicated for sure. Ty for the reactions and good discussions.
@@lolroflundxd Yeah, that is why I love Eren. I actually have an interpretation that still makes him a "good guy", given some assumptions, so I will def discuss that down the line. =) I think the author gave us ambiguity so that indeed there is a possibility for "good, tragic Eren" =)
@@storieswithstyle Thank you! You might actually be the first reactor who got that. Most people get confused and think eren ultimately did it for his friends ignoring all he says to armin at the sea and during his talk to ramzi
@@TheAngryMontage Yeah, in the sea it got pretty obvious his friends were important but not more important than his hate (in my mind)
12:02 And free them he did. At the end of the day, Eren managed to do just that albeit only for a short period of time. His people, mainly the ones around him was set free. Unfortunately, it didn't take much time for humanity's true nature to kick in and repeat the cycle of tragedy again. 🤷
I would argue due to jaegerits and subsequent organisations in eldia there was no peace
Yes, I guess you're right. Perhaps what they had after ending the Founding Titan's actions was a false sense of security and peace. This show keeps me questioning myself and my thoughts dang it. 🤦
Yeah, but that is why i love it. It is so damn real.
Now that you saw the ending, you know that the past memories stuff was not quite the thing to care. Eren did what he did because of himself, not because of other's memories. He is not a slave to someone's memories, he is a slave to his own desire, and his own memories. He is manipulated by himself. And he will obtain his goal whatever it cost. A lot others desires were inside his head, ( that's why he was not sure about his decision.) but basically, Eren is Eren and he alwayas have been. He never trully changed. He just erased his emotions because he needed to. And because he experienced everything before everyone else, making him the man with the most amount of knowledge in SNK. He ate the fruit of knowledge, and sins... And from that he became omniscient. The fact you obtain a great amount of knowledge and act differently doesn't mean you are not yourself anymore. But the fact is that this is his memories, that made him like that, his own memories. the problem is not to have a lot memories from the past of others peronns, but to not be able to know when are these memories. You lose your perception of what is real. You don't even know if what you are actually living is true.
And i desagree with something. Eren is a good tactician, as long as he is able to restrain his emotions. The mask he put on his face this whole fourth season was the perfect proof. You saw yourself he won several battles and knew exactly how to use his powers the most efficiently possible. Indeed, he is not the most intelligent of the show, and not the wisest. He is not a good strategist. But he is a good tactician. And that's a fact. He know how to adapt to a situation on the battlefield. That's intelligence. He has the charisma to be a good leader too. Even if i think this is thanks to Floch here. Eren didn't care about that, i think.
Another thing... if a good leader is someone who don't kill his mens, then a good leader doesn't exist. Erwin was a bad leader too.
Eren is a twisted verion of Erwin, here. He is his reflect, but turned into something more extremist. And he is an opposite in some ways. Where Erwin gave up his dreams for the greater good. Eren gave up the greater good for his dreams. They are both the same, except in their last decision. No matter what, Eren charged recklessly because he was young and unable to control himself. This is something you can do by growing. But since his moral compass is not quite the same as everyone else, he never learned how to restrain himself, until he was in the Scout, forced to not let his emotions talk. And now that you saw the end. You know why Eren laughed when Sasha died. He knew what will happen. And he tried to avoid it. But futur can't change, when there is only one futur possible...
I would disagree about the memories - well, not really, rather that it is not clear. We only know at the end that the "cause" was the hatred within him. But it is still open if that is his own flaw or the hatred of all his people ("old man hatred") chaining him down again and again. I could see both ways. I currently like the latter more, as I think it brings more meanings, but the other interpretation also brings many cool meanings. I love that it is ambiguos, actually. =)
About the leader, I think sending people to their death is evil, so "good" as in the opposite, I agree, there is no good leader (in the show at least). Also, I have another idea why he laughed, but that will need to be discussed in the after-aot livestream, I think. =)
@@storieswithstyle
If you remember, Grisha was not that much of a hater, in the end. It's Eren who pushed Grisha to be like he is. By logic, it's Eren who pushed himself to be who he will be.
Eren is the only one who is able to influence past with the Attack Titan power. Because he is the only one who came into past memories. I don't know if you understood this part about his powers. But Eren choose what memories he will show to Grisha and the past inheritors. And he control also his own past memories. So, he manipulated the past to go exactly into the futur meant to be. The Attack Titan is his will and always was. It's him who created the will of the Attack Titan, because he is the only one in the History who was able to use its power.
He created the past by his power. So, if he is manipulated by past hatred, it's also by his own hatred. He is the only one who was able to send memories in the past, and the only one who wrote the story. He created the will and the memories of the Attack Titan, with his own. And he saw his memories through his dad's memories too. So, he was manipulated by his own hatred. Undeed, you can say Grisha influened Eren, and influenced himself too.
This is the famous question. Who was the first one, the egg, or the chicken ? They are both in the same time. It's a paradoxe. Eren's hate is all past Attack Titans hate. But all past Attack titan are also Eren's hate. You are wrong and right. But in facts, there is no answers, because both answers are true in the same time.
@@vincentvieille5996 No, still disagree in that there are definitely interpretations. He did say "past, present and future are all one", but that also might hold true for past, present and future of all eldians (he was conencted with the paths and founder). Thus their hate. It is acutally a line that in that interpretation is saying exaclty that. because their whole past present and future are suffering and hatred (embodied by Ymir as well, thematically). Grisha only had attack, like all before. That is why it did not really affect them that much. What did Eren in was attack and founder together. Again, that is an interpretation, but it is a valid one. It is in the end ambiguous how exactly those things are to be understood. and is subjective.
@@storieswithstyle Sorry You answered before i even finished my anwer lol. I posted it and corrected several times to organize it correctly.
But here is my thought to conclude. You are right and wrong in the same time. Both answers are true in the same time. Because of how work the powers of the Attack Titan. It's a paradox.
Since it's a paradox, everyone influenced Eren and Eren influenced everyone. You can't say for true who was the first to influence the other. But in term of fact, Eren sent his memories to all past inheritors, and as the Only one who was ever able to use all the potential of both Attack and Fouding titan in the same time.
Basically, the will of the Attack titan is his will. Remember even if Eren is connected to the Paths, he is the last one of the Attack Titan and Foudning Titan. It mean he was the only one to trully influence everything. His will lead all the Attack Titan in the past. But since they were in the past, it was also their will who influenced Eren.
There is no answer to who was the one to influence who. They both did in the same time. It's a paradox in time loop. There is not first and last, only a cirle. The end and the begenning are the same, as Eren's hate is everyone's hate and everyone's hate is his hate. This is how a god should be, it he exist, a being who is everyone and everyone is himself in the same time. This concept is complete madness, but i love it. And i'm sure you loved it too, as someone who like scientific concepts.
@@vincentvieille5996 Yes, that might also be that Eren's hate is everynes hate and vice versa, which i agree with at least 100% from the point he has the attack titan plus his dreams in episode 1, but what I meant was the hate he showed in the mikasa meeting with the grapers. That is the inital hate we see and the question is whether that situation was caused by the future or if that was "just him". We never see that, though actually he flashes back to it and says something like "I have always been hateful" or something. That to me implies that even knowing everything, he still acknowledges in that situation it was just him. because he says "it was just him" from the "allknowing point" (armin talk), which led me to believe at least in the initial reaction that yes, the hate originated in him without the paradox annd just amplified everything. But it definitely merits a live discussion :D because I also really like the take of it being the same, though currently I struggle with the evidence (only for the mikasa scene,mind you, though that is basically his ground zero). =) Hope that made sense, it is hard to write down :D
People need to understand that an entire world want to annihilate Paradis island even now and the scout are doing nothing but Eren, Floch and the jeagerist want to stop that so they are monster….. ? The real monster here is the world and the scout because it’s like they agree with what the world thinks of Eldians… Hell no I’m with the jeagerist always !
I think the ‘initiation’ ritual floch started is not only reminiscent of the painter party, but also the ancient Roman decimation ritual, and how they made roman soldiers brutally murder their disobedient comrades or risk being a victim themselves, and how they manage to ensure and guarantee absolute loyalty in the legion
This is currently practiced by many street gangs throughout the world as well.
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I think if you say Eren's a bad leader cuz he got Sasha killed, Erwin's many magnitudes worse
i liked your part about floch analysis when he shot shadis and gave out a speech
Yea totally agree with Floch being yet another great written character. Love to hate him even though you can understand how he become that way.
Yes, most hated for me, but loved his writing! =)