Luke Skywalker was once asked "What technics lead to the dark side?" His answer was "All of them and none of them." As they all had the capability to be misused in anger. While none of them were inherently evil.
@Deniselee28 The Force amplifies and draws upon emotions that affects themselves and those around them. Anger inherently corrupts the user because the Force turns their natural negative emotions into dangerous and lethal abilities that do nothing but cause pain, destruction, and chaos to the galaxy.
@@aceknowledgable9403 If you ignore your anger for fear of it's consequences, that's denying a part of yourself which is not balanced. Accepting and acknowledging that you can be angry without letting it drive your actions is how you achieve balance. This applies to real life as well.
@@TheGhettoGinger In Star Wars, negative emotions fuel the dark side which corrupts the user once used. In real life, however, anger and other emotions are normal and can be addressed, integrated, and controlled without harming anyone or anything.
@@aceknowledgable9403 In Legends, Luke Skywalker taught his students that anger is not something to be afraid of itself. That it was the Jedi's fear of anger and of negative emotions overall that caused them to become paranoid. It's why they didn't want to train Anakin. All he needed was the right guidance and had Qui Gon lived he would have received it. If you deny that you're angry because you're worried it may lead to the Darkside then that is fear and it will eat at you until eventually, you will succumb to the Darkside. Acknowledging and accepting you are angry are how you overcome it. That was one of the main flaws of the High Republic Era Jedi. They became apathetic towards themselves and others in the Galaxy because of their views on emotions.
I just realized how terrifying these descriptions actually paint some of my favorite jedi/sith. Take obi wan and anakin's duel on mustafar, anakin was so familiar with obi wan's soresu techniques that the entire battle is basically a stalemate. Until obi wan takes the high ground and instead of using a soresu defense to block anakin when he jumps over him, he uses a completely different technique who's aim was solely dismemberment. So it stands to reason that many of the true masters of lightsaber combat would utilize a similar strategy when dealing with powerful opponents. Nutty. I bet anakin never forgot that final lesson from his master in not being too overconfident
That final lesson is one reason that a lot of fans (myself included) like to headcanon when puzzling out why vader and ben kenobi's final duel is so slow and unflashy lol. Obviously the irl reason is that both actors were old, vader's custome is clunky, film tech wasn't there, etc. But in-universe, it makes perfect sense that some part of vader would be extremely cautious because he obviously doesnt want the same thing to happen to him as on Mustafar.
An interesting thing is that Obi Wan did the same thing with Maul during their last duel. He baited him by switching stances which caused Mauls quick defeat in the hands of Kenobi.
@@tb4076 Yes, Obi-wan was actually NOT a very gifted force user with a mediocre at best midichlorian count. In Legends, he was actually removed from the Order at 12 years old due to no Master wanting to train him as a padawan with Mace telling him he had no potential. His mindset of grinding & working multiple times harder than other Jedi as well as his experience in combat was the reason he became great. However due to being of the Human race that suffered from age deterioration combined with his low force sensitivity means that unlike Yoda and Sidious who were still top tier combatants despite their senility, Obi was now a very poor fighter and had to resort to Shii Cho on the death star. Vader now being mature, learnt his lesson of being arrogant and was extremely reserved to press the attack just in case his old master pulled another fast one like the last 2 times he lost.
It in fact did affect Vaders style. While he was always a powerful Djem So master, in the suit he actually adopted a lot from Soresu and Makashi.... which makes sense since it was those styles that actually beat him. Interestingly Anakin in 2 was actually an ataru practioner before dueling Dooku.
I find it awesome Fisto beat Grievous, who learned how to kill Jedi from Dooku, with the simplest lightsaber form. He’s also the only Shi Cho user to use two lightsabers and honestly it was some of the most graceful dual wielding they ever showed in clone wars
This is a very important argument, that most people often mistake: the Forms are tradeoffs, but as far as I understand, all are equally useful, trading pros and cons. People usually simply assume stuff like Ataru and Djem So are simply "better" than others suck as Form I or II. I'm assuming if we put an expert form I, an expert form II and an expert form V on multiple rounds, the results would be fairly even, instead of the predictable result people often assume online. I can see a master in Makashi winning againg a master in Djem So, or a master in Shi Cho winning against a master of form VII, assuming both are equally strong, skilled and fit. It's up to context, strategies and the individual skill, not only the Form
@@ProfBrunoClementewell maybe not in the sense that it would be roughly even because some forms are more effective against others in a sense where they are direct counters idk if any of those are in particular but still Either way you are right that all the forms are roughly equal
The way Kit Fisto flows like water showcases a key strength of the lightsaber. You don't need to hit hard. Just trailing your saber is destructive enough. This realization would evolve form 1 into 2 which minor hits would count more as efficient tactics.
I would pick Niiman as well, but calling it a jack-to-all-trades form is a misnomer since it is a finely elaborated synthesis of other forms intended to serve as the template from which an individual can develop his own style. Its full potential is only realized once you build upon it, so to the ten years needed to master its basic "template" nature, you should add a number of years fusing to it whatever other knowledge you managed to obtain.
"a finely elaborated synthesis of other forms intended to serve as the template from which an individual can develop his own style" It's not a misnomer, as that's pretty much what anything labeled jack-of-all-trades is like. tools, tangible or intangible, that practically allow you to do anything, give you a specific edge or strength in nothing, that you have to build your IDENTITY on to make it shine.
I think cal kestis does a good job of using niman. I think his master obviously used it and him being a padawan obviously knew shi cho and nimam from his master and since thats what he knew best last thats what he rolled with so he uses a blend of form 1 and 6 and blends them with a saber staff and splits it micing some jar kai into it augments all of it with the force. Cal kestis becomes a formidable jedi knight level of combatant by the end of the video game jedi fallen order which is canon. At the beginning of the game he faces off with an inquister and starts off with a form six stance.
Going against form five or form seven would be nimans ultimate undoing. Form five focuses on hard, powerful swings and powerful parrying. Wearing down the opponent, forcing a counter strike or flat out overwhelming them. Form six is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage but if there were a disadvantage. It would be within the lightsaber combat itself. There’s a reason from six was called the diplomats form. People who focused less on combat and more on the political aspect of the galaxy.
@@THESEEKEROFMANY That really depends. In most cases, form 6 practitioners are hopeless against adepts of any other forms, for its not a form meant for winning fights, just stalling long enough to get out in one piece. BUT, if someone manages to truly build on form 6, making it truly their own, to the point where notable strengths are unnecessary in coming out on top, like how it was with the likes of Revan & Exar Kun, that someone might be just as deadly as practitioners of any other form.
It's so cool that fighting a true master of soresu is really just fighting the force itself. And while the force isn't all about killing, so you have pretty good odds of surviving the ordeal, you literally can't win.
I think Makashi is the only form that can truly be a major threat to Soresu. Just simply because Makashi is an offensive form designed for using less energy and force the opposition to use a lot, and Soresu (as good a defense as it is) can not hold out forever.
@@christophergardiner5351 well, it won't really work cause both Makashi and Soresu take very little energy to use, thus, as I understand, it would be just a fight till one of them wears out, if one ever does
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 not exactly. Soresu is meant for blasters while Makashi is for blades. Makashi is designed to counter strikes from opponents quickly and unpredictably, and to get around defences by either being more cunning or making each defensive move expend more energy then you do. This is what happens when Obi Wan faces Dooku.
I like both Makashi and Niman. On the one hand, I see Makashi as the most ideal Saber form with its emphasis on economy and emotional control. Cut your enemies down or dismantle with precision and grace, not sloppy flailing. On the other hand, Niman really does capture the mystical aesthetic of the Jedi.
Soresu fits me best. Meditation combined with combat with pure defense. To survive is the goal. Effective for blaster bolts and lightsabers. Energy efficiency. Guiding the fight to where you want it. Soresu also uses the force for precognition. Eye of the storm and inner peace in battle.
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between forms 1 and 7. It seems they both require an attunement to the flow of the Force in battle, but in distinct ways.
So I personally believe Form 1 inspired every form, with Shii-Cho's "Emotional Heat" being the starting point for Juyo and then zigging where Niman zagged. My personal experience is limited but Juyo is my end goal and what I've noticed is that Shii-Cho is like running with a dog on a leash, Juyo is being pulled by a dog sled in both good and bad ways.
Form 1 is like training the simple stuff so many times that it becomes as easy as breathing and so people who use Form 1 at the highest level are neutral in the force, just kind of riding the whirlwind. Form 7 is using your own emotions and the dark side. Using Form 7 as a Jedi is like being a ruthless soldier who is completely controlled at all times. It's extremely difficult because while a Form 1 user is riding the whirlwind of both light and dark, basically the raw Force, a Form 7 user is like trying to stay still in a hurricane.
@@Masra94 I'd say Ideal Form I is the basics. Live Combat Form I is more dynamic and I think more subject to personalization with some over lap into every other Form, save perhaps Niman.
@@kachirro Juyo is more like Form IV it's just not relying on pure speed but being unpredictable, super aggressive and almost no defense. Form IV uses a lot of speed and simple movements because it was meant to be used with Form III. You conserve energy as much as possible and then you go super fast to overwhelm people who can't really fight back. Which works 90% of the time, except when the other guy can't be overwhelmed and then you have limited stamina to keep using Form IV, so you have to change form or tactics. Juyo uses a lot of unpredictable movements and it looks like the other guy is moving randomly. You move forward, do a bunch of strikes in rehearsed bursts that just look super fast and random. So watching someone using Juyo is like watching like a wolverine or something. He'll fight, lash out super fast, stop and start in weird motions and so you can't really predict it. Plus the momentum is being driven by negative force energy and emotions so you're fighting a really calm berserker. If Juyo is based off of anything, it's Form II and Form IV because it's very technical like Form II but also focused on super aggression like Form IV. Also, just add that on top of Juyo insanity, they will also like Form IV use force speed, they just don't rely on it. Juyo is like Form IV but as a fully functioning martial art with its own rules, while Form IV is more like a toolset for different situations.
Juyo makes me think of firebending while Vapaad is lightning. To quote Iroh "Remember, once you separate the energy, you do not command it. You are simply its humble guide. Breathe first."
I personally would say that Juyo is Fire Bending, via the intense emotions and emphasis on offense and Vapaad is Water bending, via the super conducting loop being defense turning into offense.
@@ObiCumKenobi Indeed, and the principle of waterbending, i.e. diffusion of an attack using your defense and turning that into an attack, I'd say is a good analogy of the super conducting Loop in principle and in practice is similar to Soresu's Deflecting Slash, while Juyo,, much like Azula's last Agni Kai Fire Bending, sacrifices everything for Offense.
Gonna have to go with Niman, being more open to the force while being able to channel any of the forms with one or both of your sabers is just to good. Imagine a jedi who truly mastered forms 3,5 and 6.
@@zetamk266 Hell no! Form 6 is the ONLY one where the USER gets to DEFINE what the form is like for them, & more importantly, what WORKS for them. THAT is what makes mastery of form 6 so damn difficult, NOT that the user has to master the forms that come before. In fact, all the basics from the other forms laid out in form 6 are only meant to give practitioners somewhere to START, & NOT saying that they need to know how to do literally everything.
It is worth noting that all practitioners of Niman who participated in the Battle of Geonosis perished. If, as Geestly suggests, most users use Form VI as a crutch, then its philosophical strength becomes a practical weakness. In my mind, Cal Cestis is a good portrait of a Niman practitioner: he starts out using his training without focus, and it is through repeated meditation and combat, along with his character growth, that he makes the Form his own. That is the mark of a Niman master; not someone who can use bits and pieces of the others Forms, but someone who expresses their worldview, personality, and strengths viscerally in the heart of conflict.
@@nicholasschmelzer9943they perished because going to Geonosis as some sort of soldier wasnt and isnt the Jedi way. A form VI user in my opinion walks his/her own path.
First of all, I think this is probably the best video and resource bout lightsaber forms ever made. Bravo, be very proud! I've said it before and I'll say it forever, Niman is the ultimate form for me precisely because as you said, "It can be anything." To me, that's what a Jedi should strive for, to be what is needed. They should be what they have to be to protect the beings of the Galaxy. Whether it means a fighter, a diplomat, a healer, a teacher, Jedi should be what the Force guides them to be, and Niman is the bases of a fighting style to live up to that.
Form I: Helps you gain balance. Form II: Tests the balance you have gained. While these two have combat applications, they are best as training exercises. Form III: Embodies the center of your balance. Form IV: Embodies the boundaries of your balance. Quintessential defense and offensive forms, one for de-escalation, the other for threat removal. Form V: Unifies your balance, center and boundaries together. Form VI: Unifies your entire understanding of the Force. These are elevated forms, and demonstrate bringing your ability to new heights, by embodying the totality of your mastery. Form VII: Achieved through surrender to the Force. In this form, your balance is the Force's balance, and the Force is not in balance. I think Form VI is incomplete. It needs Forms II and VII to be added to it in order to properly be itself. So, I guess that's the answer of what I would seek. I would attempt to learn all forms, and embody them all in an improved Form VI.
There's no 'complete' form vi. it's a form, very much like form i, that gives you a bunch of simple tools & it's up to you to build upon them, learn to use them in YOUR OWN way. form ii is entirely unnecessary as it's THE most restrictive form of all 7 that's good for only one thing, & whatever needed could be covered by study of 3, 4, 5 anyway, but if that's what floats your boat, feel free. as for adding form vii, that's entirely optional as well, as with form ii. form vi is a form that is basically, well, formless, to begin with, & unlike the others, it's ESSENTIAL that you build YOUR OWN form vi, throw whatever you know & you can into it, & make it work just for YOU, or it just ain't gonna work well. while all other forms discourage individuality, form vi is the only one NECESSITATING the user to project said individuality into it, otherwise, again, it just ain't gonna work well.
Ive often wondered which style(s) of lightsaber form legendary martial artists like Bruce Lee and Huo Yuanjia would prefer/utilize most or what style/form they would come up with to fit their own fighting style..
I love how the progression of the lightsaber forms were presented and it was a wonderful video altogether! Form 1 was conceived during the inception of weaponry being advanced past metal forms. Form 2 was an answer to Form 1's development and to counter its basic precepts as a dueling form. Form 3 was an answer to Form 2's blaster-deflecting weakness. Form 4 was a step away from Form 3's defensive mentality and more towards pure offense and fluidity. Form 5 (which was also developed alongside Form 4) aimed to strike a balance between Form 2's offensive focus and Form 3's defensive mentality without focusing excessively into either direction. Form 6 sought to bring forth a culmination of Form 1, 3, 4, and 5's basic concepts into a form that allows one to imprint their own flavor into it. Form 7 essentially takes the idea of giving one's self into the force to fuel their offense (proposed by Form 1 and subsequently explored by Form 4) and expands upon it even further.
I feel like it is best to consider one's role in the Jedi Order first before chosing a form. I would likely choose Soresu, because I would rather take on diplomatic or educational missions than the tasks of a Guardian
That ain't gonna work. younglings study bladework from young, & it would take them like at least 10 years before they even know if they're gonna be able to get to stay in the order, let alone having a specific role. all those years would have been wasted if one has to wait for that many years before choosing a form to study.
I would also point out that Obi-wan was considered a Jedi Guardian... and he was THE Master of Soresu. Not A Master... THE Master. Nobody ever did it better than Obi-wan. Of course he also had an advantage in that he could work in an effective offense if needs be due to his early lessons in Shii Cho, and eventually Ataru under the instruction of his Master Qui-Gon Jin. So while as a Jedi Knight and eventually Master who preferred Soresu, he had other options when the situation called for it. If diplomacy and education were your primary focus it would be more likely that Niman would be your style of choice. It's less intensive focus made it easy to learn it well enough to deal with most situations, though admittedly if you didn't pour too deeply into your study you would find yourself outmatched in heavy or more focused combat. Not a big problem in a diplomatic situation though... heavy and focused combat was more the purview of Guardians and Sentinels.
Ataru is the perfect form for Yoda it helps him be agile despite his age and his use of the force just enhances his ability. Idk why people think it would be out of character for him
I would use shi Cho it was so simple yet effective easy to learn but hard to master also it can be seen when kit fisto duels general grievous and he actually wins also because it is more abstract
Niman philosophy interests me because it's "personalized" so to speak. A fighting style that's allows some expression and creativity, a true artform. While I do adore Soresu, I imagine it can be very suffocating if you're feeling overwhelmed and doubt creeps in. Niman would actively engage my imagination, constantly thinking more creatively with a wider skillset of offensive and defensive training as well as incorporating more telekinetics.
I'd like to see you do a video on how the often unknown mechanics of lightsabers influenced and in particular cases necessitated the use of more controversial sword techniques (particularly the balancing of the blade that is responsible for so few lightsabers to ever see use in untrained hands, and the impact of improperly balancing the saber as seen in The Return of the Jedi when Luke deals his finishing blows to Vader and the saber bounces off the railing instead of cutting through it)... few people realize how incredibly difficult just wielding a lightsaber was without the force and forms guiding the practitioner.
absolutely loving these long format videos. I hope they do well, because seeing more of these is awesome. ofc, take your time and rest when you need!! there's no long format geetsly's video if there's no geetsly's, and your good health is integral for quality. always take care of yourself!
Cool, a compilation video of several previous videos. I know other RUclipsrs have done that before, but this is the first time Geetsly has so awesome. :) Hey maybe we can get more of these, like a compilation of all the battles of the Clone Wars, or at least the Outer Rim Sieges.
I remember reading about different Kenjutsu styles at one point, and Shii-Cho reminds me a lot of how Jigen-Ryu was described. Taking from the idea that fine motor skills are the first thing to go in the stress and adrenaline of a real fight, it focused/focuses on one or two big swings, and the development of the trainee's stamina and strength to overpower and outlast the other guy.
Iirc, the majority of lightsaber combat forms were built off a mix of greatsword/kenjutsu techniques. Only form 2 was majorly different, being built more off typical rapier fencing. (Christopher Lee, aka count dooku, was a trained fencer iirc as well)
@@scribblerstudios9895 That makes sense. I have a small amount of greatsword fencing under my belt, and Shii-Cho reminds me of Lichtenauer school greatsword fencing, in the "simple yet effective strikes with mixup potential" aspect and the premise of forcing your enemy to give you ground by maintaining your movements and attacks without pause. Ideally, as well, each stroke should also be both a parry and a sidestep to your opponent's attacks, which is a very Form 5 "defend by attacking" mentality.
Djem So is a good basis for actual swordsmanship in real-life. I've spent the last six years using it as the base for my own swordsmanship. Since my right leg was permanently injured due to chronic over-exertion from power lifting along with numerous accumulated injuries, I needed a style that wasn't highly mobile. And since I still had plenty of raw power from my days lifting, a power-oriented fighting style was what I needed. Additionally, the style has been excellent for my mental health, as I suffer from PTSD and often feel rooted in place by fear and anxiety. By practicing a form that allows for good defense while still pressing forward, the style has been a catalyst for my ability to push past my trauma while still allowing me to feel guarded and keeping my walls up when I need them. It's a very stamina-taxing style, as using it relies more heavily on the upper body than most sword techniques. Due to still possessing a good measure of my former strength, I don't need to build up my slashes with wide sweeps, thus allowing me a tighter defense while still generating the necessary momentum for attacks and counters. And since the style isn't very mobile, it doesn't agitate my injured leg. Hell, it's one of the few times where I can exert myself for long periods without needing my leg brace or requiring a long rest after.
@@michaelramirez6877, I mostly just practice on my own. I can't really spar as much without risk of damaging my right leg even more than I already have. For me, the practice is its own form of fulfillment, giving me something I can lose myself to. It's a form of moving meditation for me, as it leans into all of my remaining physical strengths and calms me through the rhythm of moving through the sequences. I've been teaching my wife the style when she has the time and I've been helping my mom stay active by teaching her as well since she retired.
What're everyone's favorite lightsaber forms? Mine are probably (1) Shien/Djem So, (2) Niman, (3) Soresu. I love the balance Djem So has between Soresu and Ataru while being a very counter-based fighting technique equipped both to deal with ranged and melee combatants. Plus you have people like Anakin Skywalker who can overcome the mobility issues of the form and make a truly amazing fighting technique that even the likes of Count Dooku cannot stand up to. Niman's an interesting choice since it's in my experience considered the weak link of the forms. I like the jack-of-all-trades nature of it because if you're as dedicated as someone like Exar Kun, you can truly take the form's versatility to its peak and make a near-unstoppable fighting form. Soresu's efficiency and near-perfect defense makes for a perfect way to fight not to kill, waiting for your opponent to tire or make a mistake to be exploited. You can also even use this to conserve your own strength and learn more about your opponent or so much more
Mine are Makashi and Niman. I'm admittedly a sucker for aesthetic, and there is solid appeal in these two for that. The notes about Dooku and Anakin are well received, but generally people disregard that Palpatine tricked Dooku there. He told him to go easy on the lad. It was a trap. Beyond that, Dooku was also an aging latecomer to the the dark side and so was impaired by dark side degradation. It was hardly an even match, I would therefore see that scene and counter with the more even match up of Dooku vs Yoda. As for Niman, I see it as the peace time aesthetic ideal for the Jedi. Like the lightsaber wielded equivalent of alchaka. For the Chad Rockstar representative, I would humbly direct you to the Danzig of the Darkside. Exar Kun 😉
My favorite is Soresu. As far as I’m concerned, that form is most befitting a Jedi. After all, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack.
I've gotta go with Form VII. It gives you furious speed without having to resort to the risky acrobatics of Form IV. More important, its quick staccato motions makes it very unpredictable in the hands of a skilled, and thinking, user. Unpredictability trumps everything in a lightsaber fight.
It's cool that Dooku is a master of a form based on exploiting his opponent's passion, making him a perfect counter for Anakin and a good character foil. A Jedi Knight falling to the dark side, and a Sith Lord falling back on his Jedi training.
I'd most definitely use a mix of form V, both Shien and Djem So, though mostly Djem So, mixed with Juyo. The combination of defense through offensive mixed with misdirection is an incredibly powerful and hard to master combination
My favorites gotta be form 3 and 4. Sorisu because to me it matches the stance of the Jedi as defenders, and an impenetrable wall of defense can also be a show of great strength (also I'm a major Kenobi fan, fight me XD ). Ataru because Master Yoda probably has one of the most unique fighting styles, turning his small stature into an actual advantage. Smaller hitbox and moving hella fast
I really like Niman the most. For its jack of all trades in its most basic levels is something I like about it a lot. But further having it as a template form to customize it further without really taking away from its basics gives it a lot of utility. I'd combine its ability for high specialization for dual wielding with equipping both a lightsaber and a blaster pistol. In Rebels it was shown that lightsaber wielders, namely the Grand Inquisitor, was put on the wrong foot when Kanan uses Ezra's lightsaber's ranged attack, giving him some advantage during the following dual. I'd utilize standard lightsaber combat with unpredictable intervals with a blaster pistol. I'd also use Niman's unfocussed nature to randomize attack patterns of all other Forms to some degree, changing the way I fight whenever it doesn't work. (But I'm saying all of this but imagine getting cut down within a second because I never focused on anything, giving me a lot of weaknesses lmao) Also, Niman is written as Niman on the screen when it comes along
I'm with you there. I thought of something different I'm doing for a Star Wars FF. The OC I made has a talent for Niman, mostly because it's the style I found interesting and I got it when I did a bunch of form quizzes. There's a type of saber known as broad sabers, and I'm planning to use those. With an interesting design being that they are emitted from a pair of hilts that can shift into pistols. The type Sabine uses.
@@NocturnalNightingale there's another factor I went for with the OC. Aside from eventually mastering Niman, I wanted him to do something similar to my job. And exploration corps fits that. I'm an archaeologist and I've done digs in various parts of the world. Also, I thought of 2 ways to incorporate form 2 into Niman. 1st, pinpoint small blows with the force. But in ways you wouldn't expect like a concentrated pulse from the eyes. 2nd, the blasters. You could use accurate shots to disable, disarm, or otherwise defeat an opponent.
I would look to master Form II Makashi as my primary form. Lightsaber combat is where it is at and, as a fencer myself, it is the form that would come most naturally to me. I would also work to maintain a strong proficiency in Form V, the Shien varient, which I would fall back into against blaster wielding opponents.
Good call on Shien. Makashi is nice if you expect to be facing a lot of Lightsaber wielding opponents but it isn't all that great for anything else. The whole reason Makashi's popularity declined was because as the Sith order collapsed and went extinct (into hiding) the likelihood of facing an opponent wielding a Lightsaber became less and less likely, hence the rise of the other Lightsaber Forms. Shien's ability to efficiently defend and turn a blaster bolt back the one who fired it would serve very well.
@@corymccarty8603Shien would actually be the better choice when faced with a lot of opponents, regardless of their weapon. One of Makashi's weaknesses is that it is designed for single combat, although someone like Dooku, who took it to its absolute highest of levels, was able to overcome that weakness. Although it should also be said that had mastered all of the forms and thus knew how to exploit their weaknesses.
I’ve always thought that master form VI Niman with dual wield blades would be awesome! If adding a force ability, I’d choose Shatter Point. Being able to have an impenetrable defense and seeing an opponents weakness. Then using a precise counter strike to end the fight in one motion! Not to mention being able to focus more on force powers/alchemy such as thag of Zannah and Revan!
Soresu and Shii Cho are my favorite, partially because of Obi-wan (for Soresu) partly because the original trilogy had very beautifully deliberate choreography and partly because of Shii Cho utilizing the will of the force and the defense of Soresu can tire out an enemy without needing to kill them
Shii Cho is my favorite for it's ability to be personalized. It's simplicity allowed for minor differences in technique to arise amongst its users. Shii Cho was usable for both strength and speed based swordsmen, meaning you weren't limited in it's usage by your body. Yoda could not properly utilize Djem So due to his size, while Ataru was poorly suited to species whose bodies weren't capable of acrobatics. Shii Cho could be customized to suite it's user, and could be bolstered by other forms. A Shii Cho base form combined with Soresu or Shine specialization would make a wielder almost invulnerable in a situation where they are outnumbered.
I always wondered about combining Makashi and Soresu. They would complete each other lol. One against lightsaber and single opponent, the other one against blaster and multiple opponent. And both are energy saving forms so you could save all your energy to use the force when necessary
In the last 10 years I've started to really get into SW and I appreciate all the hard work channels like this do and how knowledgeable they are and the comments as well
It's interesting how many paralles there are between Star Wars philosophy and irl spirituality! As a reiki practitioner it makes me happy to see these allusions!
Niman might be best summarized as the "strategist" form. Generals, leaders, politicians, anyone who values versatility will find use in Niman. If Sun Tzu had a lightsaber, he'd use Niman.
I would try to master them all, which would really make me a Niman practitioner, but I think if you mastered forms 2, 3, and 5, you'd have all your bases covered. Flips look great, but unless you're actually a competitive gymnast, they're usually inefficient in actual combat.
You’re talking about superhumans who can perform extreme acrobatics as easy as breathing I think 3-4-5 is the complete set of offense, defense, and maneuverability
After listening to all 7 videos individually on multiple occasions and listening to this hour long summary dozens of times already, I think I think I'd either go with Duel-Weilding version of Niiman, a saber staffed version of Makashi, or (what I would prefer greatest) a Duel-Weilding version of Vapaad. Solely because of the fact that it allows you to enjoy a fight, which would be extremely high on my priority list
Excellent series. Great to see it in one place. I love the cold, cerebral precision of Form 2, but I would personally use Form 3. I like the idea of making myself basically untouchable, giving opportunity to reason with the opponent, or possibly talking them down. Or, that failing, simply lasting long enough for reinforcements, who would likely force a surrender.
Ik I'm late here but this is lovely. I love forms 1 and 4, I completely agree they are the most Jedi like but also how I feel the light side itself would want Jedi to fight. After all all things are one ine the force
Fantastic and Informative video. I practice the Art of Kendo because of Star Wars.And these forms are very similar to Kendo . I became familiar with the lightsaber forms after reading Jedi Path.
it probably shines the most with an extreme use of acrobatics, as show by Master Yoda. he's already a small target and now you're fighting a green blur jumping around you and giggling like a gremlin
I mean you have to take into account that as a force usser you can spin at the speed of light if you're profficient enough, I doubt a normal grounded combatant could defeat a spin at the speed of light xD, sure if the ataru usser is fighting against an equal opponent then being careless with your spins would get you killed, if not quickly worn out after all that acrobatics
I enjoyed this philosophical breakdown of each of the seven forms! Any chance you would be interested in covering other fighting styles like Teras Kasi, Stava or the Echani martial arts? Also, what lightsaber form would you pick?
I'd definitely shift between a Jar'kai-flavored Ataru, and either Shien or Soresu; I've done gymnastics, boxing, and Shotokan for a while now, and the idea of being mobile, having good defense, and knowing when to conserve energy and when to unload it fits my operating style. Although, avoiding fights above all else is the goal, so I'm not sure if that has to do with fighting form or just being a level-headed jedi 🤔
I like the flexibility of Niman. You could adjust to any opponent or multiple opponents. Its all about balance. Offense and defense in equal form. Like Revan said, it could be anything. It all depends on what you put in. Plus the fact that its hardest to identify it would be difficult for an opponent to pin down and counter.
In the Star Wars Saga Edition campaigns I played, both my Jedi were mainly Double Lightsaber weilding Ataru practitioners that would also rely the on the Deflecting and Blocking techniques strengthened by Shii-cho. I try not to redo builds but the vastly different backstories of the characters and the strength and reliability of both styles made them hella useful. Awesome video btw!
I've always been a fan of Makashi due to Count Dooku being my favorite duelist in the entire franchise but knowing my love of martial arts and the beauty of combat, I would probably look into specializing in Niman and to be able to understand all the languages of all the warriors that I had to face.
23:15- I love this Form for many reasons!!! And that is why I chose to learn Form 3 for myself and lightsaber/sword fighting!!! And for anyone wondering yes, the lightsabers you can buy for combat can take massive blows without breaking! And also yes, they hurt like hell when you get hit by one! And that’s if your opponent isn’t swinging for the fences!?! If they are, depending on where they hit you they could break bones!!!
I have to say my favorite one is Niman, and I think it would work best with Jar’kai. A very balanced form in offence and defence that can as the situation calls for it lean somewhat more heavy in either direction like he explained Revan used to. Also being able to let your individuality flow through it would make it unique enough that I believe it would by hard to counter. A very good video that I enjoyed immensely
I like versatility and efficiency, so I think I'd pursue both 6 and 2. I'd also need two completely different sabers to do it right. Either that or a shield to go with the curved hilt 1-hander. However, since I want the main saber to have a built-in shield mode via redirecting the blade plasma through a tsuba, a backup shoto or light foil is probably a given.
Picturing myself in the Star Wars universe, I see myself achieving the dream of being a pilot, a real speed freak. They're needed in Jedi circles, as the Delta and Eta series fighters would tell you. Pure performance, like a racer would want. So you'd think I'd be all Ataru and flying on the ground like in my fighter, right? Uh-uh. Djem So as hopefully a gateway to Niman would be my pick. A thing you learn when you study fighter combat is that the easiest kills are done by picking your fatal stroke in the middle of a high-speed pass or a massive enough burst when you're on target. Every hit must be a knockdown blow and you can't afford to waste a single spark of energy. Even missiles work best when you give them as much help kinetically as possible through positioning for maximum impact and minimal energy expenditure. Efficient, effective, ideally over in a few overwhelming strokes. Djem So. Niman? Well, it'd be a mark of mastery of the lightsaber, oneness with the Force...and there's nothing like channeling the Light like a sidearm in tight spaces, like getting in and out of a cockpit in tough spots like the _Invisible Hand_ raid.
I think there's some misunderstanding with Vaapad. Yes, it strays to the edge of the dark side, but it uses an opponent's aggression against them without harnessing your own. Yes, a practitioner feels the thrill of the fight, the glory in winning, but they don't directly use those emotions in their strikes. Instead, they reflect all of their enemy's darkness back at them. That's the danger with Vaapad, the temptation of indulging in your own primal rage, and apparently it is too much for Jedi to handle. Mace Windu only ever achieved "true Vaapad" once, and it was against Sidious, he completely let go and deflected all of the Sith's hate, but at the cost of his composure, and he attempted to kill Sidious in the end.
In which he should have. Sith are the sworn enemy of the Jedi. He should have been killed with extreme prejudice. He was truly too dangerous to be left alive.
Used to be a martial artist; gonna apply that to your question using Vanoj Philosophies. As a Jedi I believe id Prefer a variation of Vaapad and Soresu. Focusing on Soresu for defence and adhering to Jedi ways; utilising Vaapas when absolutely necisary. A defensive fighter whose intent to kill is created by the oponents intent to Kill. As a Sith; Nimaan and Vaapad with Ataru; unpredictability to incite fear and anger to feed from. Vaapad could be blended to use as a "Turn or die" methodology.
As a Sith Vaapad would likely not be available to you as that variant was developed by Mace Windu and had very few practitioners... I COULD however see you making good use of the Juyo Variant like Darth Maul... who was himself an expert Martial Artist.
I think I would gravitate towards Niiman form 6. Form 5 might be one I dable in but form 6 is where I would probably find my place. I like being prepared for many different situations. Form 6 satisfies that desire in me.
I dont know if u mentioned it, but i remember that not. Form III Soresu was influented as u said by its time. But it was not because of peace era. Nonono, it was because of the developement of modern and advantace blasters, as we now it today. Sith were already defeated and hide in the shadow. So jedi focused it efforts in fighting the new threats. Also, it was a lightsaber that as u also said, reflected a lot the real meaning of the way of the jedi, but form VI reflectes this much more. Soresus atributes, although very pasive, werent at all in a strict lightside view. Ressilience isnt the best way to discribe jedi, as this atribute also aplied to the Sith. Thats just my opinion though, i think u should have mentioned that blaster development was an essencial part in evolution of Soresu, thats all GREAT VIDEO
Shi Cho is taught as basic knife combat skills in a military setting. You have an 8 pointed star, a cross and an ❌. Once you master the 4 to 8 movements you can progressively build on the grid.
Form V, primarily Shien. a balance between offense and defense, trying to end encounters as quickly as possible. If things get to the point I'm using a lightsaber then defense alone probably won't end the conflict.
Anyone else notice that a few of the form shifts or creation of styles seemed to be addition? Like form 5 mixing 2 and 3? Or 3 adding the defense of 1 and the finesse of 2? While 7 was kind of mix of 5 and 2? I did some quizzes on my lightsaber and specialized style. 6 was mine and my lightsaber was a yellow orange blade.
That was essentially the progression of the lightsaber forms in a nutshell. Form 1 was conceived during the inception of weaponry being advanced past metal forms. Form 2 was an answer to Form 1's development and to counter its basic precepts as a dueling form. Form 3 was an answer to Form 2's blaster-deflecting weakness. Form 4 was a step away from Form 3's defensive mentality and more towards pure offense and fluidity. Form 5 (which was also developed alongside Form 4) aimed to strike a balance between Form 2's offensive focus and Form 3's defensive mentality without focusing excessively into either direction. Form 6 sought to bring forth a culmination of Form 1, 3, 4, and 5's basic concepts into a form that allows one to imprint their own flavor into it. Form 7 essentially takes the idea of giving one's self into the force to fuel their offense (proposed by Form 1 and subsequently explored by Form 4) and expands upon it even further. I love how the information on all the classics forms were presented comprehensively!
I’d personally use Form VI Niman, elevating it to the degree of practitioners like Exar Kun and Darth Krayt. I firmly consider myself a jack-to-all-trades individual, not a true master of any one area, but sufficiently well versed in several. I would also back this up with training in traditional Jar’Kai, in the form of a standard lightsaber and a shoto. I wouldn’t specialize in Jar’Kai like Ahsoka Tano or Asajj Ventress, but would use if I fought multiple enemies or to catch a single foe off guard.
To specialise in Jar’Kai you really need to have a fair bit of bulldog about you!!! It is an absolute mindset of “grab them by the belt buckle and don’t let go till one of you is done, no matter what!!” There is a touch of the beserker about it, because there has to be. Using a second sword as your shield is a bold manoeuvre as an everyday stance.
I would dip my toes into 1, 2, 3, and 5 switch to a different form depending on the situation I vs multiple opponents II vs single opponent of equal power III vs many blasters or a single opponent of greater power V vs few blasters or an opponent of lesser power
@@stevenle9960 It's impossible to just combine everything, otherwise, everyone would have just used that instead. form 6 is NOT the combination of all previous forms. what it actually is, is an extremely fluid way to approach combat & the greatest trait to form 6 is how it doesn't box the user into doing anything, which means how much you wanna combine or switch stuff around, or even add stuff in, is entirely up to you. just look at the 2 most well-known masters of the form & it's already telling you that much, as despite both of them using form 6, their form 6s are very different from each other.
If used at its highest potential, Form 7 is undeniably the best form. Unpredictable maneuvers as the whole force is channeled through you. While a true Form 3 master cannot be defeated in combat, a true Form 7 master defeats all who stand against them.
Would like to see a video like this on improved styles like vaapad ect, I think I would pick ataru as my style as its quite aggressive and suits my style already
If I were a Jedi I'd most likely endeavor to become a master of Form VI. I like that it combines all the previous forms of combat and allows the user to put in whatever personal strengths they want. And If I wanted to present an air of unpredictability into my Form VI bladework to help strengthen it or add the force, or suddenly deploy a second blade I can. The versatility of such a form would be a great tactical advantage.
I'd definitely choose Niman, I personally feel that being a specialists cuts one of many other interesting things, Niman it's using every other form depending on the situation, absolutely compatible with one's personality put in one's own battle style, and you can even combine force powers with it without an issue?, and even use other kinds of battle styles aside from lightsabers?. Niman is indeed a jack of all trades, though that doesn't mean you're blocked from mastering anything, one can very well master a few things, or with sufficient time, experience, knowledge and wisdom, with one's own growth as a person, perhaps one could master everything, just at a slower pace compared to the specialists perhaps, or not, because everything you learn can compliment what you already know from other subjects, all subjects enhancing themselves and the others at the same time, it'd just depend on the person how he progresses through that. Perhaps the theoretical full potential Anakin would be the one who master all trades, as he's the chosen one. Vapaad is also interesting, I would practice it too, if it's like feeling the force, the everything, and your opponent and just use their aggression against them, while allowing you to enjoy the fight, well I'd definitely do it, enjoying the fight doesn't mean I'll turn into a monster (yeah i'm not so jedi like tbh xdd), but it also doesn't mean one will enjoy all fights that happen in one's life, I'd just use it when I can, and if it proves too much I'll just switch to whatever fits the situation, or maybe just focus in the force not in Vapaad manner but in like soresu or shii-cho manner, idk, using Niman allows me to do any kind of combination that fits, so anything will work, I'd just need to figure it out.
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Luke Skywalker was once asked "What technics lead to the dark side?" His answer was "All of them and none of them." As they all had the capability to be misused in anger. While none of them were inherently evil.
@Deniselee28 The Force amplifies and draws upon emotions that affects themselves and those around them. Anger inherently corrupts the user because the Force turns their natural negative emotions into dangerous and lethal abilities that do nothing but cause pain, destruction, and chaos to the galaxy.
That is why I prefer the more exotically forms
@@aceknowledgable9403 If you ignore your anger for fear of it's consequences, that's denying a part of yourself which is not balanced. Accepting and acknowledging that you can be angry without letting it drive your actions is how you achieve balance. This applies to real life as well.
@@TheGhettoGinger In Star Wars, negative emotions fuel the dark side which corrupts the user once used. In real life, however, anger and other emotions are normal and can be addressed, integrated, and controlled without harming anyone or anything.
@@aceknowledgable9403 In Legends, Luke Skywalker taught his students that anger is not something to be afraid of itself. That it was the Jedi's fear of anger and of negative emotions overall that caused them to become paranoid. It's why they didn't want to train Anakin. All he needed was the right guidance and had Qui Gon lived he would have received it. If you deny that you're angry because you're worried it may lead to the Darkside then that is fear and it will eat at you until eventually, you will succumb to the Darkside. Acknowledging and accepting you are angry are how you overcome it. That was one of the main flaws of the High Republic Era Jedi. They became apathetic towards themselves and others in the Galaxy because of their views on emotions.
I just realized how terrifying these descriptions actually paint some of my favorite jedi/sith. Take obi wan and anakin's duel on mustafar, anakin was so familiar with obi wan's soresu techniques that the entire battle is basically a stalemate. Until obi wan takes the high ground and instead of using a soresu defense to block anakin when he jumps over him, he uses a completely different technique who's aim was solely dismemberment. So it stands to reason that many of the true masters of lightsaber combat would utilize a similar strategy when dealing with powerful opponents. Nutty. I bet anakin never forgot that final lesson from his master in not being too overconfident
That final lesson is one reason that a lot of fans (myself included) like to headcanon when puzzling out why vader and ben kenobi's final duel is so slow and unflashy lol. Obviously the irl reason is that both actors were old, vader's custome is clunky, film tech wasn't there, etc. But in-universe, it makes perfect sense that some part of vader would be extremely cautious because he obviously doesnt want the same thing to happen to him as on Mustafar.
@@tb4076 Anakin did not seem to grasp that Obi-wan learnt how to throw devastating counterstrikes from him.
An interesting thing is that Obi Wan did the same thing with Maul during their last duel. He baited him by switching stances which caused Mauls quick defeat in the hands of Kenobi.
@@tb4076 Yes, Obi-wan was actually NOT a very gifted force user with a mediocre at best midichlorian count. In Legends, he was actually removed from the Order at 12 years old due to no Master wanting to train him as a padawan with Mace telling him he had no potential. His mindset of grinding & working multiple times harder than other Jedi as well as his experience in combat was the reason he became great. However due to being of the Human race that suffered from age deterioration combined with his low force sensitivity means that unlike Yoda and Sidious who were still top tier combatants despite their senility, Obi was now a very poor fighter and had to resort to Shii Cho on the death star. Vader now being mature, learnt his lesson of being arrogant and was extremely reserved to press the attack just in case his old master pulled another fast one like the last 2 times he lost.
It in fact did affect Vaders style. While he was always a powerful Djem So master, in the suit he actually adopted a lot from Soresu and Makashi.... which makes sense since it was those styles that actually beat him.
Interestingly Anakin in 2 was actually an ataru practioner before dueling Dooku.
I find it awesome Fisto beat Grievous, who learned how to kill Jedi from Dooku, with the simplest lightsaber form. He’s also the only Shi Cho user to use two lightsabers and honestly it was some of the most graceful dual wielding they ever showed in clone wars
And with is former padawans saber
This is a very important argument, that most people often mistake: the Forms are tradeoffs, but as far as I understand, all are equally useful, trading pros and cons.
People usually simply assume stuff like Ataru and Djem So are simply "better" than others suck as Form I or II.
I'm assuming if we put an expert form I, an expert form II and an expert form V on multiple rounds, the results would be fairly even, instead of the predictable result people often assume online.
I can see a master in Makashi winning againg a master in Djem So, or a master in Shi Cho winning against a master of form VII, assuming both are equally strong, skilled and fit.
It's up to context, strategies and the individual skill, not only the Form
@@ProfBrunoClementewell maybe not in the sense that it would be roughly even because some forms are more effective against others in a sense where they are direct counters idk if any of those are in particular but still
Either way you are right that all the forms are roughly equal
Agreed
The way Kit Fisto flows like water showcases a key strength of the lightsaber. You don't need to hit hard. Just trailing your saber is destructive enough.
This realization would evolve form 1 into 2 which minor hits would count more as efficient tactics.
I would pick Niiman as well, but calling it a jack-to-all-trades form is a misnomer since it is a finely elaborated synthesis of other forms intended to serve as the template from which an individual can develop his own style. Its full potential is only realized once you build upon it, so to the ten years needed to master its basic "template" nature, you should add a number of years fusing to it whatever other knowledge you managed to obtain.
"a finely elaborated synthesis of other forms intended to serve as the template from which an individual can develop his own style"
It's not a misnomer, as that's pretty much what anything labeled jack-of-all-trades is like. tools, tangible or intangible, that practically allow you to do anything, give you a specific edge or strength in nothing, that you have to build your IDENTITY on to make it shine.
I think cal kestis does a good job of using niman. I think his master obviously used it and him being a padawan obviously knew shi cho and nimam from his master and since thats what he knew best last thats what he rolled with so he uses a blend of form 1 and 6 and blends them with a saber staff and splits it micing some jar kai into it augments all of it with the force. Cal kestis becomes a formidable jedi knight level of combatant by the end of the video game jedi fallen order which is canon. At the beginning of the game he faces off with an inquister and starts off with a form six stance.
You might’ve missed that part because towards the end he talks about it’s more of a blank slate to develop your own style
Going against form five or form seven would be nimans ultimate undoing. Form five focuses on hard, powerful swings and powerful parrying. Wearing down the opponent, forcing a counter strike or flat out overwhelming them. Form six is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage but if there were a disadvantage. It would be within the lightsaber combat itself. There’s a reason from six was called the diplomats form. People who focused less on combat and more on the political aspect of the galaxy.
@@THESEEKEROFMANY That really depends. In most cases, form 6 practitioners are hopeless against adepts of any other forms, for its not a form meant for winning fights, just stalling long enough to get out in one piece. BUT, if someone manages to truly build on form 6, making it truly their own, to the point where notable strengths are unnecessary in coming out on top, like how it was with the likes of Revan & Exar Kun, that someone might be just as deadly as practitioners of any other form.
It's so cool that fighting a true master of soresu is really just fighting the force itself. And while the force isn't all about killing, so you have pretty good odds of surviving the ordeal, you literally can't win.
I think Makashi is the only form that can truly be a major threat to Soresu. Just simply because Makashi is an offensive form designed for using less energy and force the opposition to use a lot, and Soresu (as good a defense as it is) can not hold out forever.
@@christophergardiner5351 well, it won't really work cause both Makashi and Soresu take very little energy to use, thus, as I understand, it would be just a fight till one of them wears out, if one ever does
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 not exactly. Soresu is meant for blasters while Makashi is for blades. Makashi is designed to counter strikes from opponents quickly and unpredictably, and to get around defences by either being more cunning or making each defensive move expend more energy then you do. This is what happens when Obi Wan faces Dooku.
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 Makashi excels at creating holes through defenses. The the first blow wont be a decapitation but it they will add up quickly
@@mafuyuhoshimiya8219 Dooku was the master of Makashi and he went against Obi Wan who was a master of Soresu. I think the writing is on the wall
I like both Makashi and Niman. On the one hand, I see Makashi as the most ideal Saber form with its emphasis on economy and emotional control. Cut your enemies down or dismantle with precision and grace, not sloppy flailing. On the other hand, Niman really does capture the mystical aesthetic of the Jedi.
Shien or Juyo.
Soresu fits me best. Meditation combined with combat with pure defense. To survive is the goal. Effective for blaster bolts and lightsabers. Energy efficiency. Guiding the fight to where you want it. Soresu also uses the force for precognition. Eye of the storm and inner peace in battle.
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between forms 1 and 7. It seems they both require an attunement to the flow of the Force in battle, but in distinct ways.
So I personally believe Form 1 inspired every form, with Shii-Cho's "Emotional Heat" being the starting point for Juyo and then zigging where Niman zagged. My personal experience is limited but Juyo is my end goal and what I've noticed is that Shii-Cho is like running with a dog on a leash, Juyo is being pulled by a dog sled in both good and bad ways.
Form 1 is like training the simple stuff so many times that it becomes as easy as breathing and so people who use Form 1 at the highest level are neutral in the force, just kind of riding the whirlwind.
Form 7 is using your own emotions and the dark side. Using Form 7 as a Jedi is like being a ruthless soldier who is completely controlled at all times. It's extremely difficult because while a Form 1 user is riding the whirlwind of both light and dark, basically the raw Force, a Form 7 user is like trying to stay still in a hurricane.
@@Masra94 I'd say Ideal Form I is the basics. Live Combat Form I is more dynamic and I think more subject to personalization with some over lap into every other Form, save perhaps Niman.
@@Masra94 seems like Juyo is a mix of 1, 3, 5, 6 then wear a blindfold and pretend to be a child swinging at pinatas.
@@kachirro Juyo is more like Form IV it's just not relying on pure speed but being unpredictable, super aggressive and almost no defense.
Form IV uses a lot of speed and simple movements because it was meant to be used with Form III. You conserve energy as much as possible and then you go super fast to overwhelm people who can't really fight back. Which works 90% of the time, except when the other guy can't be overwhelmed and then you have limited stamina to keep using Form IV, so you have to change form or tactics.
Juyo uses a lot of unpredictable movements and it looks like the other guy is moving randomly. You move forward, do a bunch of strikes in rehearsed bursts that just look super fast and random.
So watching someone using Juyo is like watching like a wolverine or something. He'll fight, lash out super fast, stop and start in weird motions and so you can't really predict it. Plus the momentum is being driven by negative force energy and emotions so you're fighting a really calm berserker.
If Juyo is based off of anything, it's Form II and Form IV because it's very technical like Form II but also focused on super aggression like Form IV.
Also, just add that on top of Juyo insanity, they will also like Form IV use force speed, they just don't rely on it.
Juyo is like Form IV but as a fully functioning martial art with its own rules, while Form IV is more like a toolset for different situations.
Juyo makes me think of firebending while Vapaad is lightning. To quote Iroh "Remember, once you separate the energy, you do not command it. You are simply its humble guide. Breathe first."
I personally would say that Juyo is Fire Bending, via the intense emotions and emphasis on offense and Vapaad is Water bending, via the super conducting loop being defense turning into offense.
@@Cyclonus5 Iroh did learn to redirect lightning by studying water-bending if I remember correctly
@@ObiCumKenobi Indeed, and the principle of waterbending, i.e. diffusion of an attack using your defense and turning that into an attack, I'd say is a good analogy of the super conducting Loop in principle and in practice is similar to Soresu's Deflecting Slash, while Juyo,, much like Azula's last Agni Kai Fire Bending, sacrifices everything for Offense.
Thats a great metaphor, really.
I love when two of my favorite franchises find relevance with each other
Dude, I was literally just rewatching this series. I just started form five when you posted this 😁
What series...?
@@patrickmartin4600 the video was originally released as a series of smaller videos dedicated to each form, this one's the combo of all of them
@@snazzyfox1137 Thanks for clarifying 🙂
The fact that Grevious isn’t force sensitive but still so deadly is just terrifying
Remember HK47 K/D/A
Reject the force
Enmbrace the machine
Shouts out Dooku.
Cybernetics.
@@xelloskaczor5051HK God tier.
The need for patience in form 1 certainly fits the Jedi quite a lot. The most ideal to teach the ways of the Light Side.
I’d be willing to put that against Soresu, Form III, though I’m not disagreeing with you.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days form 3 not 2
@@PiercetheUnshucked That’s right, form 2 is Makashi, right?
Form 1 is highly underrated. Sometimes, the most simple solution is the best.
I see no one wants to pick Ataru thanks to Qui Gon…
Gonna have to go with Niman, being more open to the force while being able to channel any of the forms with one or both of your sabers is just to good. Imagine a jedi who truly mastered forms 3,5 and 6.
If you manage to master 6, you would have mastered 3 & 5, or rather, mastery in those other forms would have been unnecessary.
@@FalconWindblader not really it takes parts from each form. You’d still haft to master the other forms.
@@zetamk266 Hell no! Form 6 is the ONLY one where the USER gets to DEFINE what the form is like for them, & more importantly, what WORKS for them. THAT is what makes mastery of form 6 so damn difficult, NOT that the user has to master the forms that come before. In fact, all the basics from the other forms laid out in form 6 are only meant to give practitioners somewhere to START, & NOT saying that they need to know how to do literally everything.
It is worth noting that all practitioners of Niman who participated in the Battle of Geonosis perished. If, as Geestly suggests, most users use Form VI as a crutch, then its philosophical strength becomes a practical weakness.
In my mind, Cal Cestis is a good portrait of a Niman practitioner: he starts out using his training without focus, and it is through repeated meditation and combat, along with his character growth, that he makes the Form his own. That is the mark of a Niman master; not someone who can use bits and pieces of the others Forms, but someone who expresses their worldview, personality, and strengths viscerally in the heart of conflict.
@@nicholasschmelzer9943they perished because going to Geonosis as some sort of soldier wasnt and isnt the Jedi way. A form VI user in my opinion walks his/her own path.
First of all, I think this is probably the best video and resource bout lightsaber forms ever made. Bravo, be very proud! I've said it before and I'll say it forever, Niman is the ultimate form for me precisely because as you said, "It can be anything." To me, that's what a Jedi should strive for, to be what is needed. They should be what they have to be to protect the beings of the Galaxy. Whether it means a fighter, a diplomat, a healer, a teacher, Jedi should be what the Force guides them to be, and Niman is the bases of a fighting style to live up to that.
Form I: Helps you gain balance.
Form II: Tests the balance you have gained.
While these two have combat applications, they are best as training exercises.
Form III: Embodies the center of your balance.
Form IV: Embodies the boundaries of your balance.
Quintessential defense and offensive forms, one for de-escalation, the other for threat removal.
Form V: Unifies your balance, center and boundaries together.
Form VI: Unifies your entire understanding of the Force.
These are elevated forms, and demonstrate bringing your ability to new heights, by embodying the totality of your mastery.
Form VII: Achieved through surrender to the Force.
In this form, your balance is the Force's balance, and the Force is not in balance.
I think Form VI is incomplete. It needs Forms II and VII to be added to it in order to properly be itself. So, I guess that's the answer of what I would seek. I would attempt to learn all forms, and embody them all in an improved Form VI.
Form zero: Suicide
Interesting thought. I wonder if this was similar to Cin Drallig’s outlook
There's no 'complete' form vi. it's a form, very much like form i, that gives you a bunch of simple tools & it's up to you to build upon them, learn to use them in YOUR OWN way. form ii is entirely unnecessary as it's THE most restrictive form of all 7 that's good for only one thing, & whatever needed could be covered by study of 3, 4, 5 anyway, but if that's what floats your boat, feel free. as for adding form vii, that's entirely optional as well, as with form ii. form vi is a form that is basically, well, formless, to begin with, & unlike the others, it's ESSENTIAL that you build YOUR OWN form vi, throw whatever you know & you can into it, & make it work just for YOU, or it just ain't gonna work well. while all other forms discourage individuality, form vi is the only one NECESSITATING the user to project said individuality into it, otherwise, again, it just ain't gonna work well.
@@crystallee688 I assume you know what Form 0 is and are making a joke? In which case: HA HA!
Ive often wondered which style(s) of lightsaber form legendary martial artists like Bruce Lee and Huo Yuanjia would prefer/utilize most or what style/form they would come up with to fit their own fighting style..
I love how the progression of the lightsaber forms were presented and it was a wonderful video altogether!
Form 1 was conceived during the inception of weaponry being advanced past metal forms.
Form 2 was an answer to Form 1's development and to counter its basic precepts as a dueling form.
Form 3 was an answer to Form 2's blaster-deflecting weakness.
Form 4 was a step away from Form 3's defensive mentality and more towards pure offense and fluidity.
Form 5 (which was also developed alongside Form 4) aimed to strike a balance between Form 2's offensive focus and Form 3's defensive mentality without focusing excessively into either direction.
Form 6 sought to bring forth a culmination of Form 1, 3, 4, and 5's basic concepts into a form that allows one to imprint their own flavor into it.
Form 7 essentially takes the idea of giving one's self into the force to fuel their offense (proposed by Form 1 and subsequently explored by Form 4) and expands upon it even further.
I feel like it is best to consider one's role in the Jedi Order first before chosing a form. I would likely choose Soresu, because I would rather take on diplomatic or educational missions than the tasks of a Guardian
That ain't gonna work. younglings study bladework from young, & it would take them like at least 10 years before they even know if they're gonna be able to get to stay in the order, let alone having a specific role. all those years would have been wasted if one has to wait for that many years before choosing a form to study.
I would also point out that Obi-wan was considered a Jedi Guardian... and he was THE Master of Soresu. Not A Master... THE Master. Nobody ever did it better than Obi-wan. Of course he also had an advantage in that he could work in an effective offense if needs be due to his early lessons in Shii Cho, and eventually Ataru under the instruction of his Master Qui-Gon Jin. So while as a Jedi Knight and eventually Master who preferred Soresu, he had other options when the situation called for it. If diplomacy and education were your primary focus it would be more likely that Niman would be your style of choice. It's less intensive focus made it easy to learn it well enough to deal with most situations, though admittedly if you didn't pour too deeply into your study you would find yourself outmatched in heavy or more focused combat. Not a big problem in a diplomatic situation though... heavy and focused combat was more the purview of Guardians and Sentinels.
There is one Lightsaber technique no one can beat...Plot Armor.
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Is it possible to learn this power
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Convenient to have the whole series put into one place for those who want to sit through all of it at once, without having to load seven videos.
Ataru is the perfect form for Yoda it helps him be agile despite his age and his use of the force just enhances his ability. Idk why people think it would be out of character for him
I would use shi Cho it was so simple yet effective easy to learn but hard to master also it can be seen when kit fisto duels general grievous and he actually wins also because it is more abstract
Niman philosophy interests me because it's "personalized" so to speak. A fighting style that's allows some expression and creativity, a true artform. While I do adore Soresu, I imagine it can be very suffocating if you're feeling overwhelmed and doubt creeps in. Niman would actively engage my imagination, constantly thinking more creatively with a wider skillset of offensive and defensive training as well as incorporating more telekinetics.
I made up Form VIII, it requires alot of spinning. Its a good trick. 👍
does it also require being the senate to properly use it?
I'd like to see you do a video on how the often unknown mechanics of lightsabers influenced and in particular cases necessitated the use of more controversial sword techniques (particularly the balancing of the blade that is responsible for so few lightsabers to ever see use in untrained hands, and the impact of improperly balancing the saber as seen in The Return of the Jedi when Luke deals his finishing blows to Vader and the saber bounces off the railing instead of cutting through it)... few people realize how incredibly difficult just wielding a lightsaber was without the force and forms guiding the practitioner.
It bounced because they used metal poles as the sabers. Not because he misaligned the nun existent edge 😂
absolutely loving these long format videos. I hope they do well, because seeing more of these is awesome. ofc, take your time and rest when you need!! there's no long format geetsly's video if there's no geetsly's, and your good health is integral for quality. always take care of yourself!
Cool, a compilation video of several previous videos. I know other RUclipsrs have done that before, but this is the first time Geetsly has so awesome. :)
Hey maybe we can get more of these, like a compilation of all the battles of the Clone Wars, or at least the Outer Rim Sieges.
I like both Soresu and Niman, but I'd most likely train more in form 6. I've always liked being a "jack-of-all-trades" kind of person.
Niman is form 6
That's what I said
I remember reading about different Kenjutsu styles at one point, and Shii-Cho reminds me a lot of how Jigen-Ryu was described.
Taking from the idea that fine motor skills are the first thing to go in the stress and adrenaline of a real fight, it focused/focuses on one or two big swings, and the development of the trainee's stamina and strength to overpower and outlast the other guy.
Iirc, the majority of lightsaber combat forms were built off a mix of greatsword/kenjutsu techniques. Only form 2 was majorly different, being built more off typical rapier fencing. (Christopher Lee, aka count dooku, was a trained fencer iirc as well)
@@scribblerstudios9895 That makes sense. I have a small amount of greatsword fencing under my belt, and Shii-Cho reminds me of Lichtenauer school greatsword fencing, in the "simple yet effective strikes with mixup potential" aspect and the premise of forcing your enemy to give you ground by maintaining your movements and attacks without pause.
Ideally, as well, each stroke should also be both a parry and a sidestep to your opponent's attacks, which is a very Form 5 "defend by attacking" mentality.
Im drawn to Niman the most, a form that with time and diligence becomes a perfect expression of who the practitioner is on a fundamental level.
I feel that in order to truly master Niman, you have to master the other 5 forms first.
Djem So is a good basis for actual swordsmanship in real-life. I've spent the last six years using it as the base for my own swordsmanship. Since my right leg was permanently injured due to chronic over-exertion from power lifting along with numerous accumulated injuries, I needed a style that wasn't highly mobile. And since I still had plenty of raw power from my days lifting, a power-oriented fighting style was what I needed. Additionally, the style has been excellent for my mental health, as I suffer from PTSD and often feel rooted in place by fear and anxiety. By practicing a form that allows for good defense while still pressing forward, the style has been a catalyst for my ability to push past my trauma while still allowing me to feel guarded and keeping my walls up when I need them. It's a very stamina-taxing style, as using it relies more heavily on the upper body than most sword techniques. Due to still possessing a good measure of my former strength, I don't need to build up my slashes with wide sweeps, thus allowing me a tighter defense while still generating the necessary momentum for attacks and counters. And since the style isn't very mobile, it doesn't agitate my injured leg. Hell, it's one of the few times where I can exert myself for long periods without needing my leg brace or requiring a long rest after.
Im curious about such activities in which you may be practicing your own swordsmanship in..
@@michaelramirez6877, I mostly just practice on my own. I can't really spar as much without risk of damaging my right leg even more than I already have. For me, the practice is its own form of fulfillment, giving me something I can lose myself to. It's a form of moving meditation for me, as it leans into all of my remaining physical strengths and calms me through the rhythm of moving through the sequences. I've been teaching my wife the style when she has the time and I've been helping my mom stay active by teaching her as well since she retired.
What're everyone's favorite lightsaber forms? Mine are probably (1) Shien/Djem So, (2) Niman, (3) Soresu.
I love the balance Djem So has between Soresu and Ataru while being a very counter-based fighting technique equipped both to deal with ranged and melee combatants. Plus you have people like Anakin Skywalker who can overcome the mobility issues of the form and make a truly amazing fighting technique that even the likes of Count Dooku cannot stand up to.
Niman's an interesting choice since it's in my experience considered the weak link of the forms. I like the jack-of-all-trades nature of it because if you're as dedicated as someone like Exar Kun, you can truly take the form's versatility to its peak and make a near-unstoppable fighting form.
Soresu's efficiency and near-perfect defense makes for a perfect way to fight not to kill, waiting for your opponent to tire or make a mistake to be exploited. You can also even use this to conserve your own strength and learn more about your opponent or so much more
Mine are Makashi and Niman. I'm admittedly a sucker for aesthetic, and there is solid appeal in these two for that.
The notes about Dooku and Anakin are well received, but generally people disregard that Palpatine tricked Dooku there. He told him to go easy on the lad. It was a trap. Beyond that, Dooku was also an aging latecomer to the the dark side and so was impaired by dark side degradation. It was hardly an even match, I would therefore see that scene and counter with the more even match up of Dooku vs Yoda.
As for Niman, I see it as the peace time aesthetic ideal for the Jedi. Like the lightsaber wielded equivalent of alchaka. For the Chad Rockstar representative, I would humbly direct you to the Danzig of the Darkside. Exar Kun 😉
Makashi and Soresu. I have to admit I’m a sucker for energy-efficient Forms, both for elegant offense and stalwart defense.
My favorite is Soresu. As far as I’m concerned, that form is most befitting a Jedi. After all, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack.
2003 Clone Wars General Grievous.
@@serinahighcomasi2248 You and I both. It's why I like Niman.
I've gotta go with Form VII. It gives you furious speed without having to resort to the risky acrobatics of Form IV. More important, its quick staccato motions makes it very unpredictable in the hands of a skilled, and thinking, user. Unpredictability trumps everything in a lightsaber fight.
It's cool that Dooku is a master of a form based on exploiting his opponent's passion, making him a perfect counter for Anakin and a good character foil. A Jedi Knight falling to the dark side, and a Sith Lord falling back on his Jedi training.
“All the ferocity of a coked up house cat battling a raccoon” metaphor of the year right there. Absolutely perfect description 👌
I'd most definitely use a mix of form V, both Shien and Djem So, though mostly Djem So, mixed with Juyo. The combination of defense through offensive mixed with misdirection is an incredibly powerful and hard to master combination
For peak obscurity, how about a breakdown of combat techniques beyond the 7 Jedi styles, such as the Jensaarai combat style Rek'dul?
My favorites gotta be form 3 and 4. Sorisu because to me it matches the stance of the Jedi as defenders, and an impenetrable wall of defense can also be a show of great strength (also I'm a major Kenobi fan, fight me XD ). Ataru because Master Yoda probably has one of the most unique fighting styles, turning his small stature into an actual advantage. Smaller hitbox and moving hella fast
Great work.
And Soresu is still my favorite form.
I really like Niman the most. For its jack of all trades in its most basic levels is something I like about it a lot. But further having it as a template form to customize it further without really taking away from its basics gives it a lot of utility. I'd combine its ability for high specialization for dual wielding with equipping both a lightsaber and a blaster pistol. In Rebels it was shown that lightsaber wielders, namely the Grand Inquisitor, was put on the wrong foot when Kanan uses Ezra's lightsaber's ranged attack, giving him some advantage during the following dual. I'd utilize standard lightsaber combat with unpredictable intervals with a blaster pistol. I'd also use Niman's unfocussed nature to randomize attack patterns of all other Forms to some degree, changing the way I fight whenever it doesn't work. (But I'm saying all of this but imagine getting cut down within a second because I never focused on anything, giving me a lot of weaknesses lmao)
Also, Niman is written as Niman on the screen when it comes along
I'm with you there. I thought of something different I'm doing for a Star Wars FF. The OC I made has a talent for Niman, mostly because it's the style I found interesting and I got it when I did a bunch of form quizzes. There's a type of saber known as broad sabers, and I'm planning to use those. With an interesting design being that they are emitted from a pair of hilts that can shift into pistols. The type Sabine uses.
@@jfb173jb Oh that's awesome. Always loved the style of those Westar blasters the Mandalorians used. Great concept for your OC!
@@NocturnalNightingale there's another factor I went for with the OC. Aside from eventually mastering Niman, I wanted him to do something similar to my job. And exploration corps fits that. I'm an archaeologist and I've done digs in various parts of the world.
Also, I thought of 2 ways to incorporate form 2 into Niman. 1st, pinpoint small blows with the force. But in ways you wouldn't expect like a concentrated pulse from the eyes. 2nd, the blasters. You could use accurate shots to disable, disarm, or otherwise defeat an opponent.
I would look to master Form II Makashi as my primary form. Lightsaber combat is where it is at and, as a fencer myself, it is the form that would come most naturally to me. I would also work to maintain a strong proficiency in Form V, the Shien varient, which I would fall back into against blaster wielding opponents.
Good call on Shien. Makashi is nice if you expect to be facing a lot of Lightsaber wielding opponents but it isn't all that great for anything else. The whole reason Makashi's popularity declined was because as the Sith order collapsed and went extinct (into hiding) the likelihood of facing an opponent wielding a Lightsaber became less and less likely, hence the rise of the other Lightsaber Forms. Shien's ability to efficiently defend and turn a blaster bolt back the one who fired it would serve very well.
@@corymccarty8603Shien would actually be the better choice when faced with a lot of opponents, regardless of their weapon. One of Makashi's weaknesses is that it is designed for single combat, although someone like Dooku, who took it to its absolute highest of levels, was able to overcome that weakness. Although it should also be said that had mastered all of the forms and thus knew how to exploit their weaknesses.
I’ve always thought that master form VI Niman with dual wield blades would be awesome! If adding a force ability, I’d choose Shatter Point. Being able to have an impenetrable defense and seeing an opponents weakness. Then using a precise counter strike to end the fight in one motion! Not to mention being able to focus more on force powers/alchemy such as thag of Zannah and Revan!
Soresu and Shii Cho are my favorite, partially because of Obi-wan (for Soresu) partly because the original trilogy had very beautifully deliberate choreography and partly because of Shii Cho utilizing the will of the force and the defense of Soresu can tire out an enemy without needing to kill them
An hour video didn’t expect that from geetsly
Technically is just a compilation, but yeah, unexpected
Shii Cho is my favorite for it's ability to be personalized. It's simplicity allowed for minor differences in technique to arise amongst its users. Shii Cho was usable for both strength and speed based swordsmen, meaning you weren't limited in it's usage by your body. Yoda could not properly utilize Djem So due to his size, while Ataru was poorly suited to species whose bodies weren't capable of acrobatics. Shii Cho could be customized to suite it's user, and could be bolstered by other forms. A Shii Cho base form combined with Soresu or Shine specialization would make a wielder almost invulnerable in a situation where they are outnumbered.
I always wondered about combining Makashi and Soresu. They would complete each other lol. One against lightsaber and single opponent, the other one against blaster and multiple opponent. And both are energy saving forms so you could save all your energy to use the force when necessary
In the last 10 years I've started to really get into SW and I appreciate all the hard work channels like this do and how knowledgeable they are and the comments as well
I get so excited everytime he quotes the RotS novelization. It’s so good oml I love it so much
It makes my heart happy that you quote Kreia throughout. ❤️
Form five and form seven. There both such aggressive forms, that they compliment each other so well.
It's interesting how many paralles there are between Star Wars philosophy and irl spirituality! As a reiki practitioner it makes me happy to see these allusions!
Niman might be best summarized as the "strategist" form. Generals, leaders, politicians, anyone who values versatility will find use in Niman. If Sun Tzu had a lightsaber, he'd use Niman.
Love to see longer videos from Geetslys
I would try to master them all, which would really make me a Niman practitioner, but I think if you mastered forms 2, 3, and 5, you'd have all your bases covered. Flips look great, but unless you're actually a competitive gymnast, they're usually inefficient in actual combat.
You’re talking about superhumans who can perform extreme acrobatics as easy as breathing
I think 3-4-5 is the complete set of offense, defense, and maneuverability
Form 2 , 3 and 5 are my perfect combination as well and the style of my Sith Warrior in SWTOR (RP).
After listening to all 7 videos individually on multiple occasions and listening to this hour long summary dozens of times already, I think I think I'd either go with Duel-Weilding version of Niiman, a saber staffed version of Makashi, or (what I would prefer greatest) a Duel-Weilding version of Vapaad. Solely because of the fact that it allows you to enjoy a fight, which would be extremely high on my priority list
I’m so glad I found this video and I love that you included Kreia’s dialogue from KOTOR 2.
32:38 "All the ferocity of a coked up house cat fighting a raccoon." bro lmao
I prefer the analogy of "He fights like a wolverine on ketamine."
Really happy to see another very long video from you! These are amazing and super detailed, keep it up!
Excellent series. Great to see it in one place.
I love the cold, cerebral precision of Form 2, but I would personally use Form 3. I like the idea of making myself basically untouchable, giving opportunity to reason with the opponent, or possibly talking them down. Or, that failing, simply lasting long enough for reinforcements, who would likely force a surrender.
Geetsly + jedi knowledge = entertaining video
Ik I'm late here but this is lovely.
I love forms 1 and 4, I completely agree they are the most Jedi like but also how I feel the light side itself would want Jedi to fight. After all all things are one ine the force
Fantastic and Informative video. I practice the Art of Kendo because of Star Wars.And these forms are very similar to Kendo . I became familiar with the lightsaber forms after reading Jedi Path.
I feel that Ataru is the weakest of all forms, is the “spinning is a nice trick” form
I think Ataru is weak as a separate style, but when incorporated into another, it becomes useful applied knowledge.
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Yeah, I can see that
If you want shot you in the leg that’s on you I guess
It is though!
…Not the part where you get stabbed.
it probably shines the most with an extreme use of acrobatics, as show by Master Yoda. he's already a small target and now you're fighting a green blur jumping around you and giggling like a gremlin
I mean you have to take into account that as a force usser you can spin at the speed of light if you're profficient enough, I doubt a normal grounded combatant could defeat a spin at the speed of light xD, sure if the ataru usser is fighting against an equal opponent then being careless with your spins would get you killed, if not quickly worn out after all that acrobatics
I enjoyed this philosophical breakdown of each of the seven forms! Any chance you would be interested in covering other fighting styles like Teras Kasi, Stava or the Echani martial arts? Also, what lightsaber form would you pick?
Teras Kasi is my favorite.
And combines well with Ataru Niman and Juyo.
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Same.
Darth Maul is an example of someone who uses all the forms you just described.
I'd probably go for both variants of form 5 and form 4 to supplement it with some more offense
I'd definitely shift between a Jar'kai-flavored Ataru, and either Shien or Soresu; I've done gymnastics, boxing, and Shotokan for a while now, and the idea of being mobile, having good defense, and knowing when to conserve energy and when to unload it fits my operating style.
Although, avoiding fights above all else is the goal, so I'm not sure if that has to do with fighting form or just being a level-headed jedi 🤔
This was a fantastic video to watch and I'm grateful for it.
A compilation? Awesome!
I like the flexibility of Niman. You could adjust to any opponent or multiple opponents. Its all about balance. Offense and defense in equal form. Like Revan said, it could be anything. It all depends on what you put in. Plus the fact that its hardest to identify it would be difficult for an opponent to pin down and counter.
In the Star Wars Saga Edition campaigns I played, both my Jedi were mainly Double Lightsaber weilding Ataru practitioners that would also rely the on the Deflecting and Blocking techniques strengthened by Shii-cho.
I try not to redo builds but the vastly different backstories of the characters and the strength and reliability of both styles made them hella useful.
Awesome video btw!
How do you play that game? On the computer? Xbox or what?
FANTASTIC MAN ! In-depth and illuminates! MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE 🤓✌️🪐🛸
I've always been a fan of Makashi due to Count Dooku being my favorite duelist in the entire franchise but knowing my love of martial arts and the beauty of combat, I would probably look into specializing in Niman and to be able to understand all the languages of all the warriors that I had to face.
I love your description of yodas fighting style
This was an absolute amazing video I loved this.
23:15- I love this Form for many reasons!!! And that is why I chose to learn Form 3 for myself and lightsaber/sword fighting!!! And for anyone wondering yes, the lightsabers you can buy for combat can take massive blows without breaking! And also yes, they hurt like hell when you get hit by one! And that’s if your opponent isn’t swinging for the fences!?! If they are, depending on where they hit you they could break bones!!!
That video is what I need to see. Thank you, bro!!!
I have to say my favorite one is Niman, and I think it would work best with Jar’kai. A very balanced form in offence and defence that can as the situation calls for it lean somewhat more heavy in either direction like he explained Revan used to. Also being able to let your individuality flow through it would make it unique enough that I believe it would by hard to counter. A very good video that I enjoyed immensely
I'm a huge Shien / Djem-So fan, especially with the orthodox backwarda grip. Somehow the style really speaks to me.
I like versatility and efficiency, so I think I'd pursue both 6 and 2. I'd also need two completely different sabers to do it right. Either that or a shield to go with the curved hilt 1-hander. However, since I want the main saber to have a built-in shield mode via redirecting the blade plasma through a tsuba, a backup shoto or light foil is probably a given.
Picturing myself in the Star Wars universe, I see myself achieving the dream of being a pilot, a real speed freak. They're needed in Jedi circles, as the Delta and Eta series fighters would tell you. Pure performance, like a racer would want. So you'd think I'd be all Ataru and flying on the ground like in my fighter, right?
Uh-uh. Djem So as hopefully a gateway to Niman would be my pick. A thing you learn when you study fighter combat is that the easiest kills are done by picking your fatal stroke in the middle of a high-speed pass or a massive enough burst when you're on target. Every hit must be a knockdown blow and you can't afford to waste a single spark of energy. Even missiles work best when you give them as much help kinetically as possible through positioning for maximum impact and minimal energy expenditure. Efficient, effective, ideally over in a few overwhelming strokes. Djem So.
Niman? Well, it'd be a mark of mastery of the lightsaber, oneness with the Force...and there's nothing like channeling the Light like a sidearm in tight spaces, like getting in and out of a cockpit in tough spots like the _Invisible Hand_ raid.
I love that you used the Kreia quotes.
I think there's some misunderstanding with Vaapad. Yes, it strays to the edge of the dark side, but it uses an opponent's aggression against them without harnessing your own. Yes, a practitioner feels the thrill of the fight, the glory in winning, but they don't directly use those emotions in their strikes. Instead, they reflect all of their enemy's darkness back at them. That's the danger with Vaapad, the temptation of indulging in your own primal rage, and apparently it is too much for Jedi to handle.
Mace Windu only ever achieved "true Vaapad" once, and it was against Sidious, he completely let go and deflected all of the Sith's hate, but at the cost of his composure, and he attempted to kill Sidious in the end.
In which he should have.
Sith are the sworn enemy of the Jedi.
He should have been killed with extreme prejudice.
He was truly too dangerous to be left alive.
Ah Darth Kreia she really is one of the best star wars characters by sheer knowledge and understanding alone.
Used to be a martial artist; gonna apply that to your question using Vanoj Philosophies.
As a Jedi I believe id Prefer a variation of Vaapad and Soresu. Focusing on Soresu for defence and adhering to Jedi ways; utilising Vaapas when absolutely necisary. A defensive fighter whose intent to kill is created by the oponents intent to Kill.
As a Sith; Nimaan and Vaapad with Ataru; unpredictability to incite fear and anger to feed from. Vaapad could be blended to use as a "Turn or die" methodology.
As a Sith Vaapad would likely not be available to you as that variant was developed by Mace Windu and had very few practitioners... I COULD however see you making good use of the Juyo Variant like Darth Maul... who was himself an expert Martial Artist.
I think I would gravitate towards Niiman form 6. Form 5 might be one I dable in but form 6 is where I would probably find my place. I like being prepared for many different situations. Form 6 satisfies that desire in me.
I dont know if u mentioned it, but i remember that not. Form III Soresu was influented as u said by its time. But it was not because of peace era. Nonono, it was because of the developement of modern and advantace blasters, as we now it today. Sith were already defeated and hide in the shadow. So jedi focused it efforts in fighting the new threats.
Also, it was a lightsaber that as u also said, reflected a lot the real meaning of the way of the jedi, but form VI reflectes this much more. Soresus atributes, although very pasive, werent at all in a strict lightside view. Ressilience isnt the best way to discribe jedi, as this atribute also aplied to the Sith.
Thats just my opinion though, i think u should have mentioned that blaster development was an essencial part in evolution of Soresu, thats all GREAT VIDEO
The video I never knew i needed, what a great video to listen to for a work morning
Shi Cho is taught as basic knife combat skills in a military setting. You have an 8 pointed star, a cross and an ❌. Once you master the 4 to 8 movements you can progressively build on the grid.
Whew that took awhile but I am glad I watched that. My form would be 6 or 7 something that Ryu Hyabusa from ninja gaiden would use
6 is my jam.
A purple full blade with curved hilt and a yellow shoto held backhanded, weaving, humming and flashing as however is needed
Form V, primarily Shien. a balance between offense and defense, trying to end encounters as quickly as possible. If things get to the point I'm using a lightsaber then defense alone probably won't end the conflict.
The reverse grip thing wouldn't create more powerful blows, that's simply not how leverage works, but it does look cool as heck... 😅
Anyone else notice that a few of the form shifts or creation of styles seemed to be addition? Like form 5 mixing 2 and 3? Or 3 adding the defense of 1 and the finesse of 2? While 7 was kind of mix of 5 and 2?
I did some quizzes on my lightsaber and specialized style. 6 was mine and my lightsaber was a yellow orange blade.
That was essentially the progression of the lightsaber forms in a nutshell.
Form 1 was conceived during the inception of weaponry being advanced past metal forms.
Form 2 was an answer to Form 1's development and to counter its basic precepts as a dueling form.
Form 3 was an answer to Form 2's blaster-deflecting weakness.
Form 4 was a step away from Form 3's defensive mentality and more towards pure offense and fluidity.
Form 5 (which was also developed alongside Form 4) aimed to strike a balance between Form 2's offensive focus and Form 3's defensive mentality without focusing excessively into either direction.
Form 6 sought to bring forth a culmination of Form 1, 3, 4, and 5's basic concepts into a form that allows one to imprint their own flavor into it.
Form 7 essentially takes the idea of giving one's self into the force to fuel their offense (proposed by Form 1 and subsequently explored by Form 4) and expands upon it even further.
I love how the information on all the classics forms were presented comprehensively!
31:19 the moment he said "tight spaces" while showing Qui-Gon getting parried, gave me old childhood trauma while "Say Something" played in my head 😭😭
Putting this bad boy in the Playlist.
I’d personally use Form VI Niman, elevating it to the degree of practitioners like Exar Kun and Darth Krayt. I firmly consider myself a jack-to-all-trades individual, not a true master of any one area, but sufficiently well versed in several.
I would also back this up with training in traditional Jar’Kai, in the form of a standard lightsaber and a shoto. I wouldn’t specialize in Jar’Kai like Ahsoka Tano or Asajj Ventress, but would use if I fought multiple enemies or to catch a single foe off guard.
To specialise in Jar’Kai you really need to have a fair bit of bulldog about you!!!
It is an absolute mindset of “grab them by the belt buckle and don’t let go till one of you is done, no matter what!!”
There is a touch of the beserker about it, because there has to be.
Using a second sword as your shield is a bold manoeuvre as an everyday stance.
I would dip my toes into 1, 2, 3, and 5 switch to a different form depending on the situation
I vs multiple opponents
II vs single opponent of equal power
III vs many blasters or a single opponent of greater power
V vs few blasters or an opponent of lesser power
You're essentially doing form 6 if you do manage to switch like that.
@@FalconWindblader form 6 combined all of them at once, it didn't switch between them
@@stevenle9960 It's impossible to just combine everything, otherwise, everyone would have just used that instead. form 6 is NOT the combination of all previous forms. what it actually is, is an extremely fluid way to approach combat & the greatest trait to form 6 is how it doesn't box the user into doing anything, which means how much you wanna combine or switch stuff around, or even add stuff in, is entirely up to you. just look at the 2 most well-known masters of the form & it's already telling you that much, as despite both of them using form 6, their form 6s are very different from each other.
If used at its highest potential, Form 7 is undeniably the best form. Unpredictable maneuvers as the whole force is channeled through you. While a true Form 3 master cannot be defeated in combat, a true Form 7 master defeats all who stand against them.
Would like to see a video like this on improved styles like vaapad ect, I think I would pick ataru as my style as its quite aggressive and suits my style already
If I were a Jedi I'd most likely endeavor to become a master of Form VI. I like that it combines all the previous forms of combat and allows the user to put in whatever personal strengths they want. And If I wanted to present an air of unpredictability into my Form VI bladework to help strengthen it or add the force, or suddenly deploy a second blade I can. The versatility of such a form would be a great tactical advantage.
I feel forms 2 and 3 would suit me best as they focus on economy of motion to conserve energy and directly address each other's weaknesses.
I'd definitely choose Niman, I personally feel that being a specialists cuts one of many other interesting things, Niman it's using every other form depending on the situation, absolutely compatible with one's personality put in one's own battle style, and you can even combine force powers with it without an issue?, and even use other kinds of battle styles aside from lightsabers?. Niman is indeed a jack of all trades, though that doesn't mean you're blocked from mastering anything, one can very well master a few things, or with sufficient time, experience, knowledge and wisdom, with one's own growth as a person, perhaps one could master everything, just at a slower pace compared to the specialists perhaps, or not, because everything you learn can compliment what you already know from other subjects, all subjects enhancing themselves and the others at the same time, it'd just depend on the person how he progresses through that. Perhaps the theoretical full potential Anakin would be the one who master all trades, as he's the chosen one.
Vapaad is also interesting, I would practice it too, if it's like feeling the force, the everything, and your opponent and just use their aggression against them, while allowing you to enjoy the fight, well I'd definitely do it, enjoying the fight doesn't mean I'll turn into a monster (yeah i'm not so jedi like tbh xdd), but it also doesn't mean one will enjoy all fights that happen in one's life, I'd just use it when I can, and if it proves too much I'll just switch to whatever fits the situation, or maybe just focus in the force not in Vapaad manner but in like soresu or shii-cho manner, idk, using Niman allows me to do any kind of combination that fits, so anything will work, I'd just need to figure it out.