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How To Wire Orbi's While In Access Point (AP) Mode
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- In this video, I will show you the correct way to connect your Netgear Orbi satellites to the main Orbi hardwired while in access mode "AP" This will guarantee that all the Orbi units will put out the max speeds through wifi. You can also separate the Orbi farther apart if they are hardwired. Only turn on AP mode if you have a stand alone router.
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Thanks for this video. Just got two Orbi's today and this helped me a bunch. I put one hard wired in my barn where I have an Elexa. Everything is working great.
Glad it helped! Nice job
I've tried it as per the Orbi manual but nothing mentioned about AP mode there. So thank you very much for your advice Rick. finally I've got full speed and ethernet backhaul via my satellite!
Great to hear!
Thank you! for the great informative detailed video, best video on this out there, I've been through allot of video's, but this is a one-stop-shop 👍
Thanks for making the video. I only wanted to confirm that it's going to be possible to use it in AP mode like this and you did that.
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Really appreciate your advice Rick, thank you.
Thanks for your video. I have the Orbi RBR50, and I have FIOS as my ISP and it uses a G1100 router. I've been having a LOT of difficulty with keeping the wifi signal running "Internet may not be available". I finally switched the Orbi to AP mode, and left satellites connection wireless. I'll see how they work, if they're slow, I'll hardwire them.Once again, THANKS!
Internet may not be available? that might be the modem dropping offline or the G1100 is not talking to the orbi. See if you can put the G1100 into bridge mode and use the orbi as the main router. Sorry, I didn't see your comment sooner.
Hi, I do have FIOS and use my Orbi as my router. Question: Do you need the G1100 router to have service? If not, take out the G1100 router completely and use your Orbi RBR50 router instead. Hardwire/Ethernet your back haul to your satellite, if you can, for faster speeds.
I like the new intro music!
great explanation! Previously with old wifi ap I just plug them all in with the router, but it seems mesh wifi ap works differently
Thank you, I was starting to think the video was confusing to people :)
very clear and thorough.
Thank you
Hi thanks for the video, I just got my pair of Orbi’s. It’s running on WiFi right now. But now I want to hook it up with Ethernet like u did. Do I just hook them up with cables like you did from the router unit and that’s it or do I have to change settings after I plug them together with the Ethernet cables?
Before you plug them in to cat5e be sure to upgrade the firmware. After that you just plug them in and thats it. You can then log into the orbi and make sure they are all talking to each other via hardline and not wifi.
thanks , that was very informative, can I connect the orbis directly to the main router I have ? and let them all the 3 work as an access point ? (not direct wired connection between the orbis)
No for some strange reason if you place them in AP mode the satellites need to be plugged into the main Orbi.
Great video . I have orbi rbk50 plus satalites and have been using as a router and WiFi . But while I have connectivity. I get really bad / slow throughput on phone and other wireless devices to the point of it being useful. Have fiddled with all the setting but it’s still not better . So thinking of turning back my isp modem routing feature back on turning this into an expensive WiFi AP as you have demoed . Do you think this will help. Reason being the isp modem router works fine and is tuned by service provider.
I had a problem like that with google wifi and never got it fixed. But I never seen problems like that with the Orbis. Ap mode might do the trick, let me know.
Can I have one satalite as ethernet backwhole and the other satalite in WLAN backwhole mode?
Hi Rick, I have a Orbi RBK50 with satellite which works out of the box perfectly but due to having an old brick built house I have had to buy another satellite to connect to cover my upstairs as the kids complain it drops out to 3G then on to WiFi. It now seems to work perfectly with good speed and coverage but I now need to extend to my garage/workshop. The Orbi struggles to punch the signal through the thick brick wall and foil backed insulation into the work shop I have wondered if I could buy another satellite and hardwire from the Orbi router unit to a new satellite in the garage/workshop or due they all have to be hardwired together which may be a problem.
In short can one satellite be hard wired and the rest just standalone WiFi?
If this won’t work I may have to think about the Orbi external Satellite RBS50Y but is super expensive and some reviews say it’s not great??? I appreciate your thoughts on this.
Cheers.
I did have one wired and one on wifi so it will work for you. If you can wire them all but it will work if you just wire the one.
Excellent.. can I use a mix of hard wired and mesh.. or is it only one or the other? I have an issue where I may require one to be hard wired and 3 meshed.
you sure can, but hardwire if you can
Thanks for the video!
I have a very long narrow warehouse and my main internet/switch is at one end on the room. I was hoping go from the Switch -> Orbi Router -> Satalite -> Satalite. Is this possible or does each satellite need to be plugged into the router?
If you are not turning on the AP mode, and you are letting the Orbi work as a router, it won't matter how you wire it up. Just make sure the main orbi is plugged into the modem first.
Thank you, Rick, for your Video; I have a quick question when I set up the Orbis as AP (Also wired, as you explained), will the Mesh still work fine, or will it be a direct node-to-node AP mode connection? So if I have my phone on wi-fi calling mode, when I am on call and move downstairs, will the call continue or get dropped because it moved to the second satellite node? If the Mesh still exists with this setup, it will be fantastic; please let me know if you have time.
If it works now, then it's safe to say it will work in AP mode. The only difference I think is the router function is turned off. I never tried it with wifi calling so please let me know if it doesn't work in AP mode.
Hello Rick, Thanks for the video. Could you let me know if the following setup works?
ATT Modem -> Switch
|-------->Orbi Router (Access Point Mode)
|-------->Orbi Satellite 1
|-------->Orbi Satellite 2
|-------->Other 5 rooms with ethernet
I tried but it doesn't work. Is this the right topology? If no, what would you suggest? My switch and router is in closet and I don't want to put my Orbi router beside that hidden and closed which might attenuate the signals from router.
So you have all orbi's in AP mode and plugged into the switch? If so then no they will not work. The satellites need to be plugged into the orbi router unit. If you want to run it all through the switch the AP needs to be turned off. GL
Hi Rick. First off, thank you for responding to all these questions, it's not easy, but I think everyone here finds them and your videos helpful so keep up the good work. I've looked through all the comments and I think I have a question that hasn't been answered. I have a new 3 piece Orbi ax6000 unit, and it works well, but because of how the house is laid out the router needs to be on one end of the house and I still need good internet all the way on the other side, I had hoped that the two satellites spaced out would daisy-chain the wifi enough to get me there, but unfortunately the other side of the house is 1/40th of the speed. Here's the question, due to a random set up of circumstances, I have 1 cat6 cable that runs from one end of the house to the other, if I got a 4th satellite and wired it directly back to the main orbi router, could I have 1 sat in AP mode, 2 sat in (wifi mode) in roughly the middle of the house, and then the router, and have everything work and sing kumbaya together? or is it an all or nothing situation and all the satellites have to be wired or wireless?
Sorry for the long question but I do look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. Don't worry about turning on AP mode because in your setup the main Orbi is the router. But you could have one Orbi hard wired and others that are not and that's fine. They would all be the same speed if you had them all wired back to the main but that can't always be done. I think my video confused a lot of people. But AP mode just means you dont want to use the Orbi to do the routing and DHCP of devices on your network. Some people buy a hardwired router with no wifi that can do more then the Orbis built in router. So in your case move or buy another satellite and use that cat6. Just make sure the satellite is working through wifi and firmware is up to date. Then power cycle it with the cat5 plugged in and that's it. :)
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk Confirmed and Ecstatic! I got the extra satellite and hooked it up and it worked right away, they router recognized automatically, I actually didn't have do literally anything with the AX6000 then plug in the ethernet. For anyone else reading this - This created a high speed backhaul to the router and increased the wifi on the other side of the house, the set up is everything I wanted. Also for those wondering I actually used the cable companies coax in the wall to create this connection with the help of two MoCA 2.0 boxes (which turn coax into ethernet essentially) works great. Thank you Rick for your help and understanding! you rock!
I have a question. So if I hardwire my two mesh satellites into the 3rd Orbi, which then in turn is connected to lets say my Nighthawk router, will my Nighthawk router give off a differently named SSID then the 3 mesh Orbi? Or will the 3 Orbi and router all give off the same SSID?
Your NH will give off what ever wifi name you tell it to when you set it up. I would turn off the wifi on the NH and just use the NH as a hardwired router. Then use the Orbis in AP mode just for wifi devices.
Hi Rick, My home is not wired for ethernet and I have an Orbi RBR20 router with 3 RBS20 satellites spread through the house (no backhaul). I am having a lot of issues with internet connection dropping intermittently when I enable the built in Circle parental control software in the Orbi. From what I see online, it is a known issue and Netgear/Circle have not fixed the issue. I have already invested in these Orbis so I would like to use continue using them for WiFi. If I purchased the Synology RT2600AC router (have a Synology NAS and like their interface and their parental control seems to be well built) will I be able to use the Synology for parental controls only? If I wire the main RBR20 to Synology router and change it to AP mode, will I be able to use change the satellites to AP mode and continue using them wirelessly?
Fios ONT --wired--> Synology RT2600AC --wired--> RBR20 --wireless-->RBS20 x 3
Sounds just like what I was talking about in the video :) Yes slap them in AP mode and let the Synology RT2600AC do the routing. If you ever hardwire the other units they would need to be wired to the main Orbi if you are in AP mode. If you dont hardwire them the AP mode will still work.
How is it brought in threw phone line there's no phone line here and bad cell service so how does it work in rural areas
Hi Rick great video. Does this work with any orbi model, say RBK23 or RBK53? I see on your previous comments that you have to upgrade the firmware but nothing on a specific orbi model. thanks
Sorry im not sure if they are all the same.
I have my main unit on the third floor and one unit each on the 2nd and 1st...can i hardwire the satelitte on first with the satellite on second or do i need to hardwire both satellites to the main unit?
You can do that if you're not turning on AP mode
Thanks for the video; Running Cat5/6 cabling could be challenging to the remote office in the back yard, as the office is connected to the same electrical ring mains - could I use PowerLine Ethernet adaptors instead to connect the satellite unit?
I would try it for sure. I use a set for IP cameras in the backyard and they are on 24/7 for over a year now and no problems. Here are the ones I use: Comtrend G.hn 1200 Mbps Powerline Ethernet Bridge Adapter 2-Unit Kit PG-9172KIT
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thanks Rick, will give that a go.
did the powerline idea work? i have same situation
Quick follow-up question Rick. Because one of the satellites will take up my CAT5 cable connection that is currently hardwiring my PC to the main modem/router, after I hardwire connect the ORBI satellite to the ORBI main in your example, can I also use one of the other ethernet access points on the satellite to hardwire the PC as well?
You sure can :)
Hi dear, is that possible to connect the satellite and router using ethernet cable by plugging on LAN port instead of connect them wirelessly? with my current configuration they are connected wirelessly but the internet connection dropping frequently. So do you think make the connection using the ethernet cable could give us a solution? by the way my orbi router and satellite are placed closely with 1 Miter distance. please advise 🙏🏾🙏🏾
are you using the main Orbi as AP also or just the two satellites? ? and why using switch why not connect the main Orbi directly to the router ? thanks
When you turn on AP mode all the orbis go into AP mode and the built in router turns off, you can have one work as a router and the other in AP mode. As for my setup, the router I use is a hardwired router only with no wifi built in and only has 1 ethernet output so I have to go into my switch first. The stuff you see in the video was just to help me explain how it all hooks up, its all old parts I don't use anymore. Hope that helps :)
That is strange I have a set of RKB353 in router mode and I hardwire them but for some reasons I can never get 1GBPS when I plug in my MacBook Pro or Dell Latitude 7490 to the satellites via Ethernet cable any idea why?
Hi Rick, Are you a proponent of running WI-FI in AP mode? I have wired CAT5e through a Firewall.....I can have an independent wireless path going out to the Internet through WI-FI and a separate for wired. I can create VLANs if needed including the WI-FI in access mode but that creates a single point of failure if the firewall goes out....It can be a personal preference...Thoughts ? Thanks in advance....
PM it sounds like I would learn more from you then you would from me :) I only played with the AP mode in the Orbi's because my edge router is much faster then the router built into the Orbi. Sorry but I don't think I could give you any advice
Hi Rick, thanks for the great video!
It is hard to keep explanations easy, thanks for doing exactly that (transparaent and easy to follow explanation)! I intend to purchase the Orbi's and run the Orbi as router with wired satellites configuration. Do the Orbi's first need to be connected (setup) without the wiring or is that not needed at all? Just out of curiosity, why in your setup do you use a switch between the router and the first Orbi, why not directly hardwire the router to the first Orbi?
THanks in advance!
When you first do the setup they will be added to the app on your phone and they need to be wireless. After the install you power them down and connect them and power back up :)
2nd when you run the orbi in AP mode they all need to be after the switch and the satellites need to be ran back to the main orbi not the switch. Its messed up lol. I now run Ubiquiti UniFi UAP-AC-PROs for wifi and they plug into the switch.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thanks for the answer on both questions.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
Great video. Question on Ethernet setup of satellite. I will be connecting the Orbi router into my router which also feeds a switch. If the satellite is connected to that switch will it be picked up by the Orbi router? Thanks.
What you are saying wont work in AP mode, the satellite unit will not see the main orbi. The satellite needs to be plugged directly into the main orbi.
Thanks. Appreciate if.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thanks rick this seems like what I was experiencing. It was exasperating as this became a significant limiting factor for expansion. I plan to move to Ubiquiti so that I can place a router and switch in the main comms room (cable modem), link it up to another room, put another switch in that room with an AP, so I could have choice of both wireless and wired with no limitation on device numbers.
When hard wiring, do the Orbi's have to be connected to each other or can they all be connected through a switch? My thoughts are that the ideal set up would be to have a hard wired connection to each room or zone with each room having it's own switch. Each room would connect to a master switch or router. Placing one Orbi in each room or zone and being hard wired to the network through the switch to handle wireless connectivity. Would this be correct?
If you are turning on AP mode then the 2 units can not run through a switch they must plug into the main orbi :(
If you put the modem in the same room as the main orbi, then you won't need AP turned on. Then you can use a switch in a different location.
Great information how many ft can you go out on the hard wire side ?
Cat5e can be ran 320' and with a Orbi connected to the end you could have wifi in a 5,000 square feet area
Rick's Tech Talk , can the connection between the main Orbi (formerly the router now in AP mode) and each of the satellites be made through a patch panel from their separate rooms?
@@VTJulep When you say patch panel are you talking about the cat5e wall plate in the room, if so yes. The wire from the main Orbi to the satellite must be done without going through a switch or router. A patch panel is just a way to connect wires.
I purchased an Orbi router/modem combo. I had an existing RBR50 Orbi router with 2 satellites. Can I use the RBR50 router as a satellite in the new setup in AP mode? The satellites and RBR50 router would be hardwired back to the Orbi router/modem.
I would wire the satellites back to the RBR50 and wire the RBR50 to the Orbi router/modem. It would work fine just make sure to turn on AP mode on the RBR50 and the Orbi router/modem will do all the routing
Rick's Tech Talk Excellent! Finally an answer I can accept, rather than, "it can't be done ". Much thanks!
Do you know if the hardwired backhaul desactivates the wifi third band (5ghz 1700mbps) dedicated to the communication between router ans satellites. If yes it's a big speed issue ( 1000 mbits (hardwired) vs 1700 Mbps in 5ghz wifi for the Rbk50 kit)....
The higher frequencies from 149 MHz and up are still not available to use even if you hardwired. You are still stuck with 36-64 MHz for your devices. I didn't like that at all because I get interference from my neighbors wifi from them running on 42 and 58 MHz. So they talk to each other hardwired but the higher 5g channels are still locked for back haul use only. Thats why I sold mine and went with a few UniFi AP pros.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thx for your answer. I tried a rbk50 and i'm not happy with. I command the New modem/router From my ISP: Freebox Delta (French ISP: Free 4x4 mimo and 4400 combined) and if it's not enough I'll add nanoHd :)
Hi Rick, Is there a way to hardwire to the 1st Orbi Satellite and then loop through to the 2nd? Or do they all have to be home run to the Orbi Router?
I think I get what you are saying. I think you can wire the 2nd orbi satellite to the 1st satellite then wire that to the router. But again that would only be for AP mode. Also you can just wire one and the 2nd one can still back haul through WiFi if needed.
Is it possible to use an orbi router as a satellite to my main orbi router if I have Ethernet?
So you are saying you have two Orbi routers and you want to use one of them as a satellite? If thats correct Im not sure because the satellites have different firmware the a router. You could try, it cant hurt them.
Q1- Can’t we daisy chain them (Omni router to sat1 then from sat1 to sat2) and get the same hardwired connectivity instead of both sat’s connected back to the Omni router.
Q2- My son has older devices which seem to only connect to my current Linksys/Cisco EA6400 router because of old type WIFI security. Can I keep the Linksys in the system “AND” use it wirelessly with the same SSID as the new Orbi Mesh?
Just want to make sure you know this video was for AP mode only. If you are running Orbis in AP mode you have to have a router.
Im sure sat1 could feed off of sat2 as long as it is plugged into the main unit, I never tried that.
As for the other router it will have to have its own SSID if you want it to work right. If you name it the same then devices will jump from Orbi to Linksys and you cant tell them what one to stay on.
HI great video. I just have a question. I have the same setup with satellites. My main router in basement. A satellite on 1st floor, 2nd floor, and backyard. My issue is a (ex. device that is right next to a satellite will connect to my router in basement, or satellite furthur away then the one right next to it) Then devices will get crappy wifi. This happens on multiple devices. Do you have any experience with this. Thanks in advance.
When I had the units, they did the something like that until I called support. It was something in the advance settings I had to turn on or off. Not sure if it was fast switching or what. But they knew right away what I had to do.
Thanks for the video!
Just quick questioon.
How does mesh AP modes are differnet?
While in mesh your device connect automatically to the best WiFI satelite, when it comes to AP, does not it work the same way, except that APs can wired?
The mesh part is the same in AP mode, you can hard wire them or leave them in wireless. AP is only when you turn off the router function in the Orbi. You will then need a router for the Orbi to plug into, that could be a hard wired router like a edge router or it could be a wireless router like a nighthawk. AP is great when you have a more powerful device to do all the routing, like an edge router.
Hope that helps, I didn't explain that very well in the video.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk Thank you for your answer!
It helps a lot!
Why do you need the switch? Like if I just use the ports in my Linksys router to the main Orbi and so on would that work?
You don't need it, but some people might have more lines to plug in. Also the router I use that's not shown in the video only has 1 LAN port.
I’m a little confused I very new to this type of stuff I’m having issues with my WiFi through my whole house it’s made of brick walls and 2 floors and got dead spots in multiple spots In the house. If I get the orbi WiFi 6 mesh system and replace my router and put the mesh connector in one of my dead spots connected through Ethernet do I get better WiFi? Connection because it’s wired and not connected through wireless? So if I have like 3 dead spots would this be the best coverage be by having them all connected by Ethernet first then use the WiFi on WiFi devices? I dunno if what I said made sense sorry. I’m really new to this Im just trying to get the very best coverage as possible with best WiFi speeds and connection.
You are dead on. If you can wire them all back to the main orbi then the satellites will put out the same WiFi speeds as the main unit. Also if they are wired they can be separated much farther then if they were talking to the main orbi through WiFi.
Hi, I have a question. Can I connect my orbi router to a new switch. Then pull cables from the witch to orbi satellites. Orbi Router --> Switch-->Satellites
The orbi router is hardwired from the Modem + Router direclty
Yes you can wire them like this Modem > Main Orbi > Switch > Orbi Satellites. But you can not do that if you put the Orbi unit in AP mode. My video only shows how to wire them if you use AP mode. I hope this helps.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk I think that is the same question I asked on the Netgear website and they say you can use a switch to connect the Backhaul when in AP mode (confused) community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi/Orbi-AP-mode-and-Backhaul-connections/m-p/1966341/highlight/false#M101268
Im sure you can use a switch if the switch is plugged into the main Orbi when in AP mode. When I did my testing in AP mode I could not get the 2 satellites to see the main Orbi when I used a switch that was plugged into my edge4 router.
Great video, worked perfectly, is it possible to connect an outdoor access point (non ORBI) to this? the Orbi version requires power where the other access points only need Ethernet connections?
So they all still need power even the satellites. When the Orbi's are in AP mode I'm not sure if you can plug other network devices into it. You might have to plug into the router. Let me know what you end up doing and how it works out.
Just added a Comfast POE outdoor access point to the system and it worked perfectly, amazing speeds, and only an ethernet line going through my wall to the outdoors. The device makes you assign SSID's to 2.4 and 5ghz bands. Because I use the guest network I plugged that SSID to the 2.4ghz band and my normal network into the 5GHz both worked flawlessly.
I have ATT router and I just got a second hand Orbi Satellite and router. Do I have to forget the ATT router and use just the Orbi or do I have to keep the yellow cable on my computer and disconnect from my ATT router and connect to the Orbi router ? Could you explain ? Thanks Rick !
Not sure if you have a modem and router or is it all in one unit. But you run the yellow cord from the modem to the orbi then a cord from orbi to the PC. Hope that helps
Good afternoon. Can't you use the orbi as your router and then connect it to your switch and connect the satellites as well?
Yes you can. This video is only if you have a better router and want to use the Orbi in AP mode just for the wifi
Hi, I have a nighthawk R9000 and orbi RBR20, my internet service is greenlight with 1 gig internet speed, I have the nighthawk connected to the orbi rbr20 modem with cat 6 cable, but when i run a speed test i get almost 1 gig from the nighthawk and 500 from the orbi. I don't know why i can get 1 gig fron the orbi rbr20?
First, I hope they have different Wi-Fi names because the nighthawk is not a mesh device. I would take the cat5 wire feeding the orbi and see if you get faster speeds when plugged into a laptop or something. If you do plug it back into the orbi. Then run a cat5 out of the orbi and see what speeds you get. Might not be the orbi it could be the cat5 wire or maybe its the Wi-Fi settings in the orbi. That's why I say test the speeds out of the orbi using the cat5 port. Good luck
Is there anyway that you can connect the orbi satellite units to the upstream router instead of main orbi unit to do the mesh? Because my house is prewired, but I don't want to hide the main unit in the basement.
This video was for AP mode only and not many people will use the Orbi in AP mode. Im not sure what you are asking but the main Orbi needs to be plugged into the main modem or router. The other units can be wireless only or use your hardwired lines in the house. If you still need help try to reword the question for me.
I'm confused 😕, I have a netgear modem , and I was using an orbi as the router . I have 3 orbi units only the main one is hardwired. But I wanted to hardwire the other two with the first one . So why would I need a separate modem like your black one on this video and a switch box . ? I could use some help so I don't waste time and money. Thank you 😊
This video is only for AP mode. If you are using the Orbi has the router then you are fine, you can wire the other 2 units back using a switch if you would like.
Hi, i have a rbr 40 and have hardwired a new satellite I bought the rbs20. Im not getting the speeds that I get on my main access point. What can I do ?
Not sure about that, I would try calling netgear /orbi. GL
Can you add another Orbi with the free port you have left on the main Orbi?
Yes, and I found this on the website for you
kb.netgear.com/000062035/How-many-satellites-can-you-add-to-an-Orbi-WiFi-System
The maximum number of satellites you can use with your Orbi WiFi System depends on which WiFi standard it supports:
WiFi 5: We recommend adding a maximum of 6 total satellites, with a maximum 2 satellites in a daisy chain.
WiFi 6 & 6E: We recommend adding a maximum of 4 total satellites, with a maximum of 2 satellites in a daisy chain.
Hi Rick, I just spent all day at my brother's house trying to get his Orbi's to work together. In the house he has a set of 3 RBR50's (2 are RBS50) and he has an Ethernet cable going out to his wood shop where there is a set of 3 Orbis: 1 RBR750 and 2 RRS350s. They are configured as a different SSID which he would rather have all 6 ORBIs using one SSID. Is that possible by putting the Shop router in Access Mode? Thanks, Mike. He also bought a newer set of WIFI 6 ORBIs RBR750s which we were trying to replace the RBR50s but that only muddied the waters. So we put everything back the way it was earlier in the day - as I explained first.
If you put them in AP mode then they have to be plugged into each other without going through a switch. But even then, I don't think they would talk to each other (even hardwired). The newer firmware keeps the new AX units from talking to older AC units, unless they fixed it. I would just get a few more satellites that work with the new unit and sell the older ones. Best of luck
Still using this video as a reference as I continue to update my home. I just installed a patch panel and tried this method and unfortunately there was no data coming from the switch to the first Orbi satellite. How do I resolve this/what did I install incorrectly? Thanks
tell me the order that things are plugged in starting at the modem. Modem goes to what? and then what's after that.
Wow.Thats Great. What about the filtering option for devices? is it unlimited for blocklist or whitelist?
Sorry Im not sure about that. I would check but I have switched over to unifi ap pro units
Is the inability to run the satellites via ethernet through a switch to the main router (to have maximum speeds on all devices) limited to the Orbi or essentially a limitation of all mesh systems ? Can you suggest one that allows a switch if available ?
That's a great question and im not sure. I owned google wifi before this but they died after 1 year. After I bought the Orbis thats when I pickup up a Ubiquiti Edgerouter to do all the networking. So I have only used Google wifi and Orbis but never had a hardwired router with the Google wifi units. Still blows my mind that the units need to be wired back to the main unit in AP mode.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk in netgear's support website .. it says you can connect the satellites to gether and one of the satellites should be connected to the router
A= orbi router
B and C = Satellites
what you did is
A > B + A > C
what you can also do is
A > B > C
Yes great point, but before I put my units into AP mode they all were connected to the switch. I couldn't find any info about AP mode and when I called they told me the units could not be wired in AP mode.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk you are correct. As soon as I connected them through a patch panel direct to the router while in AP mode they connected and now work perfectly in a wired setup. Unfortunately, trying to use a switch did not work for me.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk wow....so that's why I've never been able to get it work....thanks for the info
Hey Rick, I am trying to do this. Do I create a different wifi name and password for the orbi? As in my modem/router has a wifi name and password already. Also, how to you turn on AP mode? Or do you not have to?
In your case I would turn the wifi off on your modem/gateway and let the ordi do the routing and wifi. AP mode is for people that might have a hardwired router like this store.ui.com/collections/operator-edgemax-routers
People use something like that for a business or a webserver. If it for home use just let the orbi do the routing dont turn on the AP mode. But turn off the wifi on your modem or put the modem/gateway into bridge mode. Putting the modem/gateway into bridge mode makes it a modem only and disables the router inside. The orbi will be a better router for you.
My question refers to using the #2 and #3 units as Access Points. They come with a power cable, can’t it get the power from the POE? Thanks..
No not on the Orbi. Something like the ubiquiti unifi AP units can do POE
Is it possible is i'll put a switch on the orbi router, then the 2 orbi sattelite cat6 cable will be plugged into the switch?
Not for AP mode but if you are using the Orbi as a router then yes you can
Do I have to disconnect the monthly internet services once purchase the Orbi’s .?
no, the Orbi only provides the wifi. You will still pay for internet and for the modem rental
I have the RBR40 with two RBS20 satellites ... do you know if this will work for me ?
Im sure it would if you have AP mode in the software. But this is only if you have a stand alone router that you want to handle the dhcp of your network devices.
I wonder what would happen if I have more than 3 satellite aps? The main ap only have 3 lan ports.
I think you could branch off the other APs. I did read someplace they have a limit on how many you can have hooked up in the system.
can you connect older RBR 50 to a RBK753s
Sorry Spike I'm not sure about that
Can we connect the 2 satellite units to the switch (via hardwire) instead of to the main Orbi to form the same mesh network?
Yes but only if you are not using the units in AP mode
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk sorry, could you explain the difference? Does that mean it won't form a mesh network and the device cannot be hand over from one to another seamlessly?
AP mode is when you have a router other then the Orbi. When in AP mode the Orbi only does Wifi and the routing part is done by the router and that could be a linksys, netgear, dlink or another brand. When the Orbi is not in AP mode it does the WiFi and routing to all the devices even the wired ones. Hope that helps
Do you need to have the router? I don't understand why it cant go from modem, to orbi, to switch, then to satellites. Sorry for my misunderstanding.
The video was made for people looking to use the Orbi's as a access point and not a router. Hope that helps :)
How do I log in on laptop with out enthernet cable. I can't log in on my app.
Can it be wired connection through a switch ?
You can use a switch with Orbis but if you run them in AP mode then the units need to be wired to the main orbi without the switch in the way.
Hey I’m an amateur - in order for the orbi router to connect to the two satellites hard wired, does the router have to be set up in AP mode and also when hard wired they will all give off WiFi correct?
Yes they will all put out wifi after they go in AP mode. AP mode is when the router function is turned off on the main orbi. If you turn the orbis into access points you will need a router to dish out the IP addresses. You will only use the AP mode if you have, say a hardwired router like this www.ui.com/edgemax/edgerouter-4/
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk ok what id like to do is have all 3 broadcast WiFi and use the main orbi as a router. Do I just simply hard wire them together without an AP?
So then you would just install them as normal, don't turn on AP mode. And the satellites can connect to a switch thats wired to the main Orbi or wire them directly into the main Orbi, it will be the same. :)
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk I use the orbi’s main as router and rest in mesh mode. The cable provider WiFi-router is in BRIDGE MOdE (so WiFi. And router functionality is off. In this situation Orbi handling routing is fine, or would it give advantages if I would use the cable modem/router for routing and setting the orbi’s in AP mode ? Not sure what is preferred/better. Thx.
The only difference would be the interface of the set router or gateway. The Orbi has a nice interface but lacks some features like the ability to track data usage per device. Internet providers sometimes have a nice, easy to use interface with the gateway they provide. Some gateways can notify you of new devices on the network and allow you to turn the kids wifi off on their tablet. As for speed, you wouldn't see a difference.
Can the satellites be plugged into a switch then switch plugged into main orbi router
At the time of making this video, you could not do that for AP mode, but they could have fixed it by now. If you are not using AP mode, then it will work fine.
Thanks! Think maybe I need to contact them? I had one backhauled to switch with router, and in router mode, the satellite wasn't detected. After I get everything setup, I'd like to have 2 satellites backhauled and another one wireless.
I assume if it is hardwired with CAT V cable, the Proximity of satellites to the main Orbi is no longer an issue, correct?
Right, it could be really far away, and be as fast as the main unit. Hardwired is the way to go :)
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thanks Rick. I appreciate it.
Thank you very much for the video, I have a question for a slight different set up, it is going to be like, main internet -> orbi main router -> switch -> two orbi satelites, will it work same way too? thank you!!
Yes that will be as long as you dont put the Orbis in AP mode
Why aren't you getting rid of your existing router (the black, flat one) and replacing it with the presumably better Orbi Router? Since you have a separate cable modem, the black router could be easily eliminated which would simplify (flatten) your network.
So everything in that video was old equipment just being displayed for educational purposes on what the order they get hooked up in. My current setup is a docsis 3.1 modem into a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter then to a switch. For wifi in the house and outside I now run a few UniFi AC Pro Access points. This way if one dies the others pick up the other wifi devices. When I first bought the Orbis I did have them plugged into the modem but they got a bit over worked and the new Edgerouter is much faster. Thanks for the question Richard :)
The router capabilities of the orbi (and most/all netgear consumer equipment) leave much to be desired. It's suitable for basic use only IMO. The ERX will do circles around it.
I think the hardware is quite reasonable but netgear software _really_ dumbs things down. I'm blown away that people continue to buy this junk.
So true, but they do make it very easy to get things up and running. I think that's a big selling point for basic home users.
I’m a dummy when comes to this stuff. I need help in a new 2 story home i bought & bought the orbi that comes with one router one satellite -I’ll try really hard to explain this with as little words as i can. I wanted to run them hard wired since i have Ethernet in every room-even in the open visible upstairs hallway and living room area. I’m confused between whether I’m able to use the switch or run separately. Here we go!
Current setup
I have a downstairs (middle of house) media closet that was built with house in 2009
In there i have the cable company’s modem and WiFi router
In there is where the switch is-it’s a 16 space switch with 12 used that comes from all the Ethernet cables from all the rooms
What i want to do
I want to hook up the orbi router just outside that closet(drill holes thru wall into media closet)
Put the satellite upstairs in the upstairs living room which is center of upstairs and visible from downstairs
The satellite upstairs i want to plug into the Ethernet port up there-in that living room
So after watching your video
I see that i hook up my modem
Then run to my router(but I’ll have to switch my router to AP?)
Then run it to the orbi router installed right outside the media closet
Here’s my confusion
Once i just did those last steps, do i run a Ethernet from the orbi router back into media closet and plug it into the whole house media switch? Where all the other Ethernets run into or am i going to have to locate the one Ethernet cable i have the satellite upstairs plugged into and detach it from the switch and plug it into the orbi router on it’s own?
So i guess I’m saying is-can i just have the orbi router just run into the whole house 16 port Ethernet switch to power up the satellite upstairs? Or am i going to have to figure out which one that is upstairs and pull it out of switch and run it directly to the Orbi router?
One last question
Do i even need to keep the cable companies router in the mix? What is the purpose of keeping it in between the modem and the orbi router? I’m an idiot on these things so just curious, if it’s better to leave it in series then I’ll keep it in?
I hope this all made sense? Trying to draw you a mental picture of the scene. Thanks man for any help!
So my video was not made for what you are doing. But this is what I would do in your situation
1. buy a docsis 3.1 modem only, no router and save 14.00 dollars or so a mo
2. Wire modem to Orbi and that can be outside the closet
3. wire back in to the closet from Orbi to switch
4. wire satellite Orbis back to switch and done.
Before the satellite orbis can be hardwired they need to be setup and working via wifi. After they work through wifi power them down and connect them to cat5 and power them back up.
AP mode is only if you have a hardwired router like a Edge Router www.ui.com/edgemax/edgerouter-4/
Something like the Edge router has more power then what the Orbi has built in. So when you turn on the AP you are turning off the router hardware in the Orbi and its only being used as wifi. You only do this if you have a small business or a lot of security cameras. So my setup goes in this order Modem - Edge Router - Switch - 3 Wireless access points (AP) Hope this helps
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk Wow man! Thank you so much for this. I understand it clearly and it’s so easy. It was amazing you could understand what i was saying but you nailed it. Lol. Thank you Rick for taking the time and explaining it so well. Peace Brother!
Can I plug the satellite directly to the switch ?
Yes, but not if you are using AP mode
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk I have the TP link deco mesh pls can you advice ? Do I have to switch it Router mood
Are you using Orbis with the tp link deco mesh? If so why not just use on or the other? What one is plugged into the modem?
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk I have a Tp link switch and to link deco m5 , my service provider modem comes with a router , my major Challenge is on the last floor house the Bulding the deco m5 speed is slow becos of the distance so I was thinking of hardwiring them
If you can get them hardwired they will all put out the same speed and distance from one another wont matter. I would do that, and I'm not sure if deco needs to be wired back to the main one or if you can use the switch. Try the switch first and see if it works
I think you would have been better off running from your modem into the first Orbi and then out to your switch. Then you can connect your other satellites to the switch
You are right that would be easy but in my case I use a hardwired router that can do much more than a Orbi router. Only a few people might do it like me. Thanks for you comment and thanks for watching...
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk Good point and good video. 👍
I’m not at all interested in a wired connection. I want to plug the Orbi router into a working router and then let the satellites connect wirelessly.
why cant you blug them through the switch
No clue, they just don't work running through a switch in AP mode. But please don't get confused by this video, this is only if you are using them in AP mode.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thanks for the reply so i thought they could backhall throught you network but the question i have is if you are backhalling over ethernet can you use the 3rd band for wifi
They can back backhaul using a switch, just not in AP mode. In normal routing mode, you can use a switch, but you do not get the higher 5gz frequencies back. To me, that's something they could fix with firmware. But in a way, it's good. If the cat5e gets damaged, the wireless backhaul is already working.
Interesting video but please don't have your intro 2x louder than your content. They should be the same volume
Thank you Axelrod360. I have recently switched to a different editing program and better mics for my audio. I also found a setting in my sound card that levels all volume so I was unaware it was that bad. Thanks for pointing that out.
Help me understand why you're doing this as opposed to the following
Under Advanced tab, advanced setup, router/ap mode, select AP mode? Unless I'm missing something, your method also results in double nat for the wifi clients.
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what you posted is how you switch the unit into AP mode in the software. What I show in the video is how to wire them so they can back haul through cat5e. So first you do the software option like what you post then you can wire them the way I demonstrated in the video. If they are not wired the way I showed they will not back haul through the cat5e while in AP mode.
Hardwire....??? I think people buy Orbi's cause they want to go wireless. Why do most of the youtube videos are about hardwired AP mode does not seem logical
Hard wiring the Orbi's is a bit odd but AP mode is very odd for them. A very tiny percent of people would ever put them in AP mode, that's why I made the video. But Orbi's rock when they are hardwired together.
Get a lapel mic.
Thanks Mike. Over the last 3 years I have upgraded the camera and started using a Rode mic. As you can tell it's not a full time thing for me but it's fun to do.
@@Ricks_Tech_Talk thanks for taking the criticism as it was intended, constructive. Rode makes a great product. Cheers.