Monster | An EPIC: The Musical (The Underworld Saga) Animatic REACTION!
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This one is very emotional and is a heck of a way to end the first act.
Worth mentioning is that there is an error in the animatic. When he says he's lost his best friend it's supposed to be Polites. Eurylochus is still fine at this point. Wanted to clear that up in case you were worried that you'd missed something happening to him.
This animatic does a great job showing him having a mental breakdown as he realizes that something needs to change.
Idk if I agree with the use of "needs". His problems weren't caused by his remorse, it was his impulsiveness. Had he just kept his damn mouth shut, merely blinding Polyphemus wouldn't have gotten over 500 of his men killed by Poseidon. From what I've seen of Antinous in clips, he just seems like a remorseless Odysseus, so if Odysseus returns home the type of man he believes he has to become, Penelope may as well have just married him. If I were her, I'd rather be a widow than have my husband return home having become a murderous monster. Tiresias didn't provide a way to get him home, he just acted as confirmation bias. Infanticide SHOULD haunt Odysseus. Eternally.
If we look at it through the filter of the 21st century then yes, all you say is true. But, this is ancient times so the mindset is different. What you said is true, if he had kept his mouth shut, everything would've been fine. If he had listened to Athena and kill Polyphemus, it would have been better. Athena told him that one day he would see she had been right. He chose not to be ruthless and it killed his men. At this point, he realizes that if the gods tell him to do something and order to get home, he's going to do so, no questions asked. He is putting his conscience on the back burner. Doing so is causing a meltdown but he feels that it will be worth it if he can just get home. What needs to change is his hot headed reactions, what he feels like changing is going to be his internal debate of right and wrong.
Huge Side Note: Infanticide is wrong. It will always be wrong. But In ancient times, was quite common amongst the Greeks and Romans. Unwanted ,"cursed"or "defective" infants were exposed to the elements and dealt with.
@@yafaniatorres-martinez4306 Infanticide is more normalized than ever. Now it's just called abortion. Half the political system in America is fighting to keep it legal for doctors to assist.
The reasoning Odysseus goes through in the song is so perfect. Just going through each encounter they've had, and questioning "do they think they did wrong, or are their morals different because they're not really human". And finally making the decision that he needs to do whatever he has to do to get home, even if that includes making sometimes immoral or otherwise questionable decisions.
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The way he literally looks like a monster at the end 😭 I love it I’m so glad somebody implemented that
2:40 to 3:00: Just another fun note to add to this point: the lyric isn't IF a man becomes a monster, it's WHEN does a man become a monster. It's an inevitability within that own narrative. When does a comet become a meteor? When does a candle become a blaze? When does a ripple become a tidal wave? When does the reason become the blame? Just A Man has its questions systematically answered throughout the musical, and Monster is Odysseus reflecting on his journey and doubling down on his actions. No longer viewing himself as Just a Man, but a Monster.
I finally got Spotify and listened to the entirety of Act One in one sitting. Idk what I'm gonna do while I have to wait for Act Two...
Unerworld easilly became my Favourite Saga! I LOVE the three songs equally and think they ar So Good. Ocean is second favourite, but All The Songs are unique. Except Luck Runs Out that get the feeling is the most forgotten by the fanbase, but whatever. I just can't wait for Act 2 and the next songs!!
I know you've already reacted to this one, so you probably won't want to do another Monster reaction video, but Gigi released their animatic and it might be the best epic animatic I've seen so far. I recommend checking it out in your free time if you can because it's amazing.
"To everyone but us" Having checked out the entire Thunder Saga, it's clear that's the royal "we"/"us", not him and his crew.
To ease the wait time you should go back and react to the musical in order but with alternate animatics. Love your reactions ❤ (I know it might seem repetitive but the other anomatic are super interesting)
The animations are the best
Great Video !
I don't see how becoming a remorseless monster helps him get back to his home on an island surrounded by ocean and avoid the god of oceans who wants him dead. That's not a plan.
It does. If he had just killed Polyphemus instead of blinding him, the cyclops wouldn't have given him more trouble in the form of Poseidon, whose status as a god binds him to avenge his offspring when called.
@@Borderose Right, if he _had_ been ruthless. I mean I don't see how it helps him going forward. He already pissed off Poseidon. Also, Polyphemus would've been unable to identify him had he not lost his temper and essentially doxed himself. He could've left Polyphemus blind and Poseidon wouldn't know who to go after. The gods aren't all-knowing.
@@disableddragonbornit doesn't help with that, but it implies he plans on not making the same mistakes as last time.
In my opinion, Tiresias didn't help at all. He didn't provide a way to safely get back to Ithaca, or even a clear answer of how. All he did was act as the final straw for Odysseus's descent to monstrosity. If I were Penelope, I'd rather be a widow than have my husband return home changed beyond recognition. Remorseless. Odysseus places too much trust in prophecies. He believed a god who is not a prophet when told that if he doesn't commit infanticide, he and his family will be killed. Now he has the god of the ocean wanting him dead, and his home is an island surrounded by that very god's domain. He didn't save anyone. Even if a life ended and a life saved canceled each other out, he'd still be in the red, with more lives ended than saved.
yeah, thats kinda exactly how things work in greek mythology. Prophecies ALWAYS become true, and your destiny is fixed. Even when you try to run from it. THE example for that is the myth of edipo. His father sends him away as a baby after a prophecy tells him edipo will commit patricide and marry his mother. But by doing this, edipo grows not knowing his family and that's what makes him commit all those actions. Here, Odysseus heard that he wont get home being himself, and that's what makes him completely turn to a different person, therefore, fulfilling the prophecy that the man that makes it home is no longer him.
Also, the baby was gonna kill everyone that sacked troy, not only odysseus crew, so technically, he's not in the red. But i do fully agree there's an irony in the fact that his worst act meant to protect everyone he loved was kinda pointless. I don't think the musical's point is having a positive message. In this story, ruthlessness is mercy, that's it.
@@sofiam31e When I said Odysseus's crew, I basically meant everyone sieging Troy. I don't even consider it a prophecy, since it was a message from Zeus, not some oracle's prediction. Zeus knew that he'd have to crack down and actually behave like the king of the gods and keep the other gods in line and prevent them from further meddling in mortal affairs by telling a grown Astyanax the truth, so he instead chose to have a mortal murder an infant under (I believe) false pretenses. Honestly, I feel like Odysseus could've even raised him with the knowledge that his biological father was killed in the war, and that Odysseus took him in.
That's just hiw ancient Greece and it's mythology was. The gods are infallible. What they say is truth and just even if cruel or incomprehensible. And to the Greeks that cold heartedness was a virtue
@@Evnyofdeath I'm a Hellenic Pagan, and I've read a lot of the different stories, and the gods aren't flawless. Arachne got turned into a spider by Athena because she beat her in a weaving competition. The Greeks were not monolithic in their virtues, because it really depended on which god they mainly worshipped. Dionysus worshippers were wild. Dionysus is who I mainly worship, and it's because they're not a cruel god. The worst they've been involved in is the King Midas situation, and he quite literally asked for it.
Odysseus's justification for Poseidon is concerning in terms of his role as a king. Respect cannot be gained through fear. Fear creates subservience, not respect. Respect is earned. Ithaca may be better off without him if that's his mentality as king.
The thing that irritates me about this saga is that he interprets Tiresias's prophecy about him becoming a monster as a necessity, when in all honesty, it's more than likely just an eventuality. He didn't _have_ to become a monster to get home, (and he definitely didn't have to embrace becoming a monster) but he'd definitely be changed by the time he reached Ithaca without actively changing himself. He's intelligent, but also incredibly stupid.
I thought _this_ saga was traumatizing... Thunder Saga was way worse. Idk if I can handle things getting darker.
Odysseus made it hard (if even possible) for me to empathize or sympathize with him the second he let go of Astyanax's blanket. The only reason I don't view that as the moment he became a monster is because his remorse traumatized him, which is the correct response to such an evil act.
You have a very black and white view of the world and morality. Odysseus was put in a position where he had to choose between the life of himself and his family, and sn infant. While the choice is certainly not easy, it is logical and appropriate to make. You would rather he condemn himself and the people he loves to an awful death in the future? Because the kid is innocent? Well, so are the people he would kill in the future. Your moral high standing is extremely pretentious.
@@akkimylo3286 I'm not trying to say that. I don't believe Zeus. I think he knew Astyanax was a loose end, so he lied to Odysseus to do his dirty work for him instead of keeping the other gods in line. There's no reason Astyanax couldn't be spared and raised without that knowledge, if Zeus would just use his influence as KING OF THE FUCKING GODS to keep the gods in check. I'm not here to debate morality, it's impossible to factually categorize what is right and what is wrong.
@@akkimylo3286 I'm of the opinion that no baby, born or unborn, should be killed for the actions of one biological parent. We are born without knowing evil. Evil is learned. The soldiers Zeus claims Astyanax would murder are not innocent. They have blood on their hands. As for their families, I don't shrug them off as collateral damage, but Telemachus in particular would be a grown man by then, and he'd be able to defend himself. Killing a kid to avoid consequences of your choices or actions is cowardly.
@@disableddragonborn He was not killed for the actions of his parents, he was killed because Zeus told Odysseus that he would take revenge and murder his family (the one he spends pretty much the entirety of the Illiad trying to return to.) Odysseus saw Zeus, the king of gods as telling a prophecy, not a vague quess but the absolute truth about the future.
Whether or not Zeus lied or it was a real prophecy is not really relevant in this case. If you were send back in time to stand in front of some big shot Tyrant (Mao, stalin, Ivan the terrible, ghengis Khan or the easy one Hitler) knowing who they would become and being told by the same people who send you back that if they were not killed in that moment they would either be the monsters we know them as or something worse would take their place. Would you still say that that child or infant should not be killed to prevent their horrors?
@@disableddragonborn It's interesting that the action of killing is what made it hard to sympathize or empathize with Odysseus, but for me it's the fact that even with everything on the line, he took a halfway point. He balanced on the edge and only decided on an action that he could commit and never watch the result. I can't say that I could do any better and I expect to never find out, but if you've decided on a course of action, do it with everything you are. Act as you must, accept the consequences of those choices.
I'm not sure if anyone else will get the reference, but ji'e'toh.