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The Apocrypha was in the 1611 King James Bible. It wasn't removed until the 1800s, several centuries after the Protestant Reformation. I used to avoid the Apocrypha until October 31, 2017, the 500the Anniversary of the Protestant Reformation which didn't go unnoticed in the Presbyterian church. I started studying Church history, something many Protestants don't do despite all of our Bible study. That's when I began to wonder if its removal was a mistake because the seeds of what are now cults began to form - Mormonism, Millerites, from which came the SDA Church, Charles Taze Russell, Mary Baker Eddy and others. I began to wonder if there was something in or about the Apocrypha that would've prevented this. The Apocrypha isn't canon but I like the attitude of the Ethiopian Church, which has one of the oldest canons of scripture and 88 books. These books aren't inspired but the writers of scripture knew its contents and so should we to understand the context in which they were writing.
The Apocrypha is valid If you look in the Old Testament and Daniel chapter 2 he talks about 4 powerful empires in this specific order Babylon,Medo-Persia ,Greece and Roman Empire . Daniel lived served the Babylonians and the Medo -Persians if we continue from the book of Daniel all the way to the book of Malachi we don’t see the Greek Empire . Why is it that out of now her in the new Testament it skips to the ruling of the Roman’s . The reason being is because this apocrypha books bridges the New Testament and the Old Testament And if you look into it it covers the Greek empire they’re valid and inspired with God and completes the timeline of the Kingdoms in Daniel 2
Blessings, and thank you so much! I am a strong proponent of truth. I do my absolute best to remove all biases, assumptions, and presumptions from the content I present to believers and those non-believers who may frequent my content. Scripture says, "The truth shall make us free." This principle guides my work and underscores the importance of truth in promoting understanding and open dialogue among all who engage with my content.
@@gclmedia 1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible. 2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number. 3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews. 4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
@@zacharyshort384 Yes, isn't it just terrible when a Catholic quotes history and scripture!. If we're not careful we might find out the truth and convert to Christ's Catholic Church!
@@dougy6237 That has zero to do with spamming unless you're suggesting spamming the "Good News" will do something other than turn people off; in which case, I have some *bad news* ;)
Yes they did. Jesus actually had 13 books about his life during the time skip in the Bible but 100 years after his death the Christian church removed his teachings because they deemed it to eastern esoteric.
@ Did you watch to video to comprehend or just to argue. The books he’s referring to is not about gap between the age of 12-33. Aside from the Gnostic Nag Hammadi which was discovered in 1945, can you list the thirteen books you are referring. I’ve seen your other comments about Jesus visiting India, your source of Jesus being in south east Asia is not credible. Go ahead and list the 13 books. Don’t ask me to google it.
Catholic here and I thank you for this too many people even very intellectual Protestants do not know their history but have the audacity to explain something to their flock that they were never fully educated on and I thank you for not being one of those Pastors brother seriously may God bless you
@mcintosh6214 be careful with that. People are philosophers instead of relationship experts when it comes to God. They talk themselves and whoever will listen to them out of relationship with God and into leaning on their own understanding of scripture. You need the truth to sell lies. Those other books, although alluded to in the current 66 books of the Bible, are not inspired by The Holy Spirit. They contradict the established Word of God.
@mcintosh6214 if they didn't they would be openly studied in every Protestant and Roman catholic church. The catholic church would even have them translated into Latin. But let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
@@Whoo_Boy Come on, thats like Saying the Iraneus persecuted Valentinians because they didn't believe in the Holy Trinity when that's nonsense. The truth is there is truth the church doesn't want people to know, for fear it will lead them astray like you say, but not because it goes against Jesus teachings. For example saying everything including Evil is part of God's will. And I'm sure focusing on equality based on the human spirit and not based on the flesh didn't go over well with the good ol boys of the Church lol. For Example Gospel of Mary preached equality regardless of gender or orientation. Gospel of Judas preached we all get out of hell eventually. Gospel of Truth literally admits the Trinity as we know it. Father and Son as One, Son is fully God and Fully Man, Holy Spirit is their Message of Love brought forth by their Ministries of Churches from All Realms. The Elohim aka Holy Spirit. But it goes into such detail to describe what the Holy Spirit is that it would just make most people go cross eyed. Don't forget even the original Gospels kept secret and only for people of the Church ,not for laymen, and it was death if you transcribed them to another language. All the crazy stuff about describing other realms, or creation, or the Holy Spirit, or the Old Testament God being a different God and in what way depending on which old Christian Sect you ask. Its understandable why all that was taken out. Its just too complicated and distracting. But none of it technically goes against the Bible or Jesus's teaching. Philosophizing was literally a core teaching of Jesus. Seeking Knowledge and thou shall find. The Gnostics taught us that any so called Abrahamic Religion that has Given God a name different from He Is that Is, or I Am that I Am, in their scriptures, are automatically marked as being false by God's design. His word can't be changed in his name. Because the word for his name was Christ the Messiah. Our Image. To admit Jesus referred to himself as who was revealed to Abraham and Moses, is to admit in the Trinity. I disagree with Gnostics in that the old testament God was a different god. I believe it was as a Parent to Children of a more primitive race. And Jesus was our Formal introduction as no longer just Parent. But also as Friend and Savior.
Good content, great information! This Really needs to be out in circulation more. My brother and I talked about this a lot. He finally got himself a copy to read with the apocrypha included to get himself a better picture of what has happened over the years.
You are a blessing! I appreciate you more than you know. Check out my Apocrypha Playlist (Updated Weekly) ruclips.net/p/PLDeCxlE5-BAPUfLvJDjCkmTXo-fXyL3h3&si=tOP15raLwsgNVhkz
Just found your channel! Appreciate the insight! Now I need to watch your others.. I have the "Complete 54 Book Apocrypha 2022 Edition". Also, I use the Septuagint in conjunction with the Hebrew text during my studies. Together, I believe they yield greater insight than using one or the other alone. Something happened in the 1800s all over the world. Odd how prior to them, quality of life was unchanged for thousands of years but exploded afterwards. Bible versions exploded, the movement to rebuild Israel, etc.. The way we understood the bible was highly altered from that point on as well. I believe the removal of the Apocrypha highlights the delusion of the church and how much power others give authoritative figures in the church, when they effectively have none. That's truly a tragedy.
Thank you so much. There is so much more than meets the eye. I often say that the Bible is complex but not complicating; simple but not easy. We have to stay on the pursuit of Discover with consistency and persistence. And you are so right there was a major shift in the Church at that time.
Well, the 7 books were put into a separate part of the bible by luther because they contradicted his heresies. Mainly 2nd maccabees. They were ultimately removed entirely by the British bible association, to reduce the cost of priniting bibles. They were in the torah read by Jesus, and are in the dead sea scrolls.
"the 7 books were put into a separate part of the bible by luther" The Apocrypha was separated by Jerome in his Latin Bible in the 4th century. ___________________________ "by luther because they contradicted his heresies." Luther never said anything about the Apocryphal books contradicting his heresies. Luther stated that the Apocrypha was useful to be read by protestant Christians. But that it should not be used for doctrine. The same reasons most CATHOLIC church fathers gave for not using the Apocrypha for doctrine.
@@mark9531 Jerome did not remove them. But he questioned them based on the fact that the Jews has removed them. He was following the lead of post-crusifixion Jews. By then, the Jews were no longer authorities over scripture 🤣🤣. And while he tried to move thrn, the church said "nah".
@@chukulan Good afternoon chukulan. You said; "He was following the lead of post-crusifixion Jews" What did the crucifixion have to do with the canon of the OT. The canon of the OT had been completed for 400 years by the time of Christ. The church did not determine the OT canon. The Jews had been copying the OT for 400 years. _____________________________ Jerome did not follow anyone's lead. Whether Jews or the church. Jerome's OT did not include the Apocryphal books Jerome separated the Apocryphal books and called them the Apocrypha
Luther doesn’t believe in prayers to the dead. 2nd Maccabees affirms prayer to dead. Luther then removed from his own canon. Tried to do the same thing to James be of faith without works being dead but didn’t get enough support as was blatantly wrong. He tried to be a new pope if only he was a reformer not a betrayer.
@@Idishrkdmd Good afternoon ldishrkdmd. You said "Luther then removed from his own canon" *_Every book of the Apocrypha_* was in Luther's 1534 German translation. Including I & 2 Macabees There is not one difference between Luther's German Bible of 1534 and Jerome's Latin Bible of AD 401. _____________________ "He tried to be a new pope if only he was a reformer not a betrayer." He was a reformer in the pattern of Jerome. Luther was probably the second most brilliant theologian after Jerome.
I just recently discovered many "deuterocanonical" books have many of the same scriptures that are in the New Testament. It's just luther wanted to remove them because his personal interpretation didn't agree. They confirm purgatory and he didn't agree with that and I believe thats why we have over 40,000 different Christian denominations now because of one rogue priest the Catholic church didn't sell indulgences rogue priests did that.He even wanted to remove the book of revelation, hebrews, james and jude. He was a book burner I'm almost done reading them and they aren't saying to do anything wrong they shouldn't of been removed but I'm Catholic so I consider them to be inspired. I was told by others that I shouldn't read them but now I know how wrong they were.The Catholic church decided the canon and compiled and put the bible together and the septuagint was read by christ and the apostles and if Christ didnt remove them then why did some rogue priest have a right to?? You owe your modern bibles to the holy spirit and the catholic church.
Thank you for sharing! I appreciate you. I have several videos that go further into the Deuterocanonical Books which I refer to as the Apocrypha being that I am Protestant and that my viewers at large are also, but I do accept these books as well as others as Scripture. Check out the Apocrypha playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLDeCxlE5-BAPUfLvJDjCkmTXo-fXyL3h3&si=WD7_5dizgzRSNtVs
Actually, none of the scriptures teach purgatory. That is not Biblical. That is a Catholic tradition wrongly imposed on scriptures by priest mis interpretations.
Dude. Martin Luther had the right to spark the Protestant reformation. Indulgences are not biblical, and neither is purgatory. Nobody back then had access to the Bible’s. only priest or monks and they were able to manipulate it. Luther became a monk and found that indulgences and purgatory aren’t real so yes he sparked the reformation for good reason. You cannot buy or live off anyone’s salvation but your own. The thief on the cross was told he’d be with Christ in paradise that day, not a middle place where he’d need to be purged of his sins. That’s the whole reason why Christ came down. We are deemed righteous in the eyes of Gods for those that accept Christ. If purgatory is real then Christ died for nothing. His blood is what saves us, he died a death I deserved so I can live. There is no middle ground or cleaning place, we are clean because of him and through him everything is set free indeed.
Catholic Bible has 73 books of undifferentiated authority, and one item in an appendix to the Old Testament, namely the Prayer of Manasseh. St Jerome queried some of the Old Testament books, but was overruled by the Pope. The Gutenberg Bible is an example of this Catholic Bible. Martin Luther, on his own authority, moved seven books queried by St Jerome to a separate section, which he called the apocrypha, arguing that they were of lesser authority. The Protestant Bible Society in the 1820s deleted the "apocryphal" books to save money. Some modern Protestants claim that seven books were added to the Bible by the Council of Trent, as if the Gutenberg printers could see into the future.
He moved them because most of these books did not agree with his theology of Sola Fide and Purgatory. The Book of Maccabees contains passages that prove Purgatory. He also called the Book of James the "“epistle of straw". So that one got almost removed as well. The question is, where did he get the authority to demote these books. Is his understanding of the Christians' teaching superior to the previous councils?
Good evening David. You said; "Martin Luther, on his own authority, moved seven books queried by St Jerome to a separate section, which he called the apocrypha, arguing that they were of lesser authority" Actually, David, Jerome did ALL of that. Luther merely followed Jerome's pattern. ~Jerome separated the Apocryphal books. ~Jerome called the the Apocrypha. ~Jerome said they were of lesser authority.
The Jews dismissed all apocryphal books and never included them in the Hebrew Bible. the first Christian’s and early fathers all rejected them. They contain fictional characters, geographical errors and contradictory to scripture. Jesus, all prophets, disciples, apostles and followers never recite and record any quote from any of these books as real scripture , there is a reason, they are not inspired by God but by man.
I have a family Bible which includes many apocryphal books. They read very differently. They have merit for some of the flavor of the times in which they were written but add nothing to Theocratic understanding. I do not need them to fully understand the canonical scriptures.
Who have the authority to change if it is the true word of GOD? That means man wrote the whole bible . فَوَيۡلٞ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكۡتُبُونَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِأَيۡدِيهِمۡ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنۡ عِندِ ٱللَّهِ لِيَشۡتَرُواْ بِهِۦ ثَمَنٗا قَلِيلٗاۖ فَوَيۡلٞ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتۡ أَيۡدِيهِمۡ وَوَيۡلٞ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكۡسِبُونَ ﴾ [ البقرة: 79] ﴿ ترجمة: فويل للذين يكتبون الكتاب بأيديهم ثم يقولون هذا من عند الله ليشتروا ﴾ Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby....
I know real knowledge when I see it. When we rebuke or come to conclusions without a much further look back historical context if you don’t have pre-wisdom then it’s impossible to fathom what was said more recently as opposed to something way back before Thoth.
Thank you so much. I do my best to be accurate yet as short and concise as possible. Believe me when I say it is not easy to do being that I create theological content.
YO PASTOR G, You know what was interesting when I was in college I heard a Pastor and Professor say that the Apocrypha was wicked and stupid. He said there is a book in there called "Bell and the Dragon" he said so what does a little girl and her Pet Dragon have anything to do with real Scriptures, also he said "The Apocrypha also has Voo Doo in it." I said said to myself Heck No I wont Read that, But a month later, I bought a very old Family Bible and the Apocrypha was in there. I began to read "Bell And The Dragon" and it was Not about a girl and a Dragon at all...... I looked up videos on 15 Reasons why the Apocrypha is wicked and Not Scripture. I found a list of 15 that claimed to PROOVED and EXPOSED the Apocrypha. Then I looked up all of the points and to my surprise they wasn't true.... Wow so many people have said so much against it but when you look up the points and evidence they provide it is just not really true..... I'm still reading it to find out if it is good or not.... See what we find...... If you find a good list with actual proof please send my way...!
Blessings and thank you for watching and engaging. You won’t find that list because it simply isn’t true. Until 1885 the Apocrypha has been part of the Bible all the way back to the Septuagint. Im working on a video I which I reveal the real reason why there is so much fallacy out there about the Apocrypha.
Some Jewish communities considered the Deuterocanon inspired (like the Essenes), there was never a unified Jewish Canon Sadducees, zealots, pharisee's and seraphic jews had different canons what is more important to note is that the early Christians considered them to be inspired.
the Catholic Bible has the original biblical canon of AD 382. Luther removed seven book (and tried to remove another four) because they disagreed with his new theology.
Blessings and thank so much for engaging! If you have the opportunity please take a look at this video 👉🏾Did Martin Luther Remove the Apocrypha? ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.html
@@gclmedia Luther removed the 7 deutero-canonical books. He also removed James Jude Hebrews and Revelation, though some of his co-religionists pressured him to reinstate the 4 NT books. Facts
Not true. He simply repositioned them to be between the Old and New Testaments. He specifically wrote that they were good for reading, despite his views on their canonicity.
@AppleOfThineEye The Bible consists of two sections: the Old Testament and the New Testament. A third section, created by some guy in the 16th century, is not part of the Bible.
@@fantasia55 Assuming you're talking about the Apocrypha, no, that is also not true. It was written, at the absolute latest, in the fourth century, as Augustine wrote about it. You are free to debate the canonicity; saying it was written in the 16th century, however, is simply false.
1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible. 2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number. 3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews. 4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
Blessings and thank you. I have several videos on this channel concerning the Apocrypha…but if you have something specific you’d like me to address please let me know. I’d be more than happy to create a video about it for you.
@richlopez5896 Blessings and thank you! I have multiple videos proving that the Apocrypha as well as other Biblical yet Non-canonical books were quoted throughout the New Testament. 👇🏾 ruclips.net/p/PLDeCxlE5-BAPUfLvJDjCkmTXo-fXyL3h3&si=eCLBuzJA8IQX0Q5b
That's why Authority of the Church is very important. Catholics (Roman and Orthodox) agreed through the councils and not by a few people dicided of what is in the Bible and what is not.
The first so called parallel is superficial, while the second parallel are not parallel at all. 8 is not equal to 7, and the stories contradict each other. The Sadducees are giving a what-if question to Jesus stating that husbands die one by one, and the said husbands are brothers.
It's very strange that the first version (year 1611) of the KJV did indeed contain the Apocrypha. But after 200 years in the year 1885, after many revisions of the KJV, they finally decided to take out the Apocrypha. Why?
The fact that any book is quoted in the New Testament does not by itself mean that the quoted book is necessarily inspired and part of the canon of scripture. The same would be true of books that are quoted in the Old Testament.
1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible. 2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number. 3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews. 4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
All 81 books should be consolidated as their stories are interwoven together. Books in the Apocrypha didn't fit the white man's so-called spiritual narrative when he became spiritual enlightened and decided to evangelize his people; however, today the books in the Apocrypha fits very well spiritually when read in conjunction with the rest of the 66 books of the Bible. The stories told in the books of the Apocrypha are just as spiritual and dynamic as any book in the Bible I read, and that is why I read them all once a year. God preserved them for a reason - for His people specifically.
_"white man's so-called spiritual narrative"_ Where does the Bible say White people rule the world? Christianity does not accept the Apocrypha. Christendom was right there while these texts were banned, burned, and buried! And you don't know what happened to the Hebrew kings, do you? That's pretty obvious... Oh, but you probably recall how evil Israel's kings were. All but about three of them. And these kings didn't go into exile with the other Jews bcuz Rome took the rest of the tribe captive in about 70 AD after Yeshua who came from that tribe. Some of the kings were Jews until then but for nearly 2000 years, have not been. Perhaps, this has caused some confusion. -from an Advisor to Nobility
Here's one of the reasons they removed the Apocrypha : 2 Esdras 6:54-59 54 And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen. 55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes 56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel. 57 And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us. 58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands. 59 If the world now be made for our sakes, why do we not possess an inheritance with the world? how long shall this endure?
@gclmedia “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2 Timothy 3:16 If the “apocrypha” books are not “canon” but the Bible talks about some of the books that have events that are not in the Bible then it contradicts 2 Timothy 3:16. I always point out to Jude verse 14 where that prophecy of Enoch is not found anywhere in the KJ version of the Bible but it’s found in the book of Jasher. Great post and straight to the point. King James ordered the Geneva Bible illegal which contains those apocryphal books and was still popular after his version came out because it contained annotations questioning the bishop’s power and his own. Just found out today. God bless you.
Thank you so much. Understanding historical context enriches our appreciation for the diverse biblical traditions and helps us to understand things that are not part of the western culture. Keep doing what you are doing, exploring! May God bless your journey!
2 Timothy 3:16 doesnt seem to have the meaning you think it does. Trent Horn explores this God Breathing word. ruclips.net/video/BxqtRAOAXYU/видео.html
Expect a lot of reasons or excuses for removing books out of the Holy Bible. Even the term “Apocrypha ‘ is offensive meaning “ writings or reports not considered genuine.or doubtful “ The shear audacity of some group or individuals manipulating Holy Scripture. Then using the term Apocrypha meaning doubtful to describe the Bible. A group of atheists or nonbelievers would have been proud. leave the Bible alone. I like my Bible to include all 81-84 books not just the 66. Im glad people are thirsting for more scripture. Happy reading 🎉
It was Jerome who used the word Apocrypha in his Vulgate in the section which contained these extra books. The word Deuterocanonical did not appear until the 14th century.
The King James Bible was created for King James VI, who had to approve of the final edit. It's his own idiotic mistranslation of the writings he found "acceptable", with everything else thrown out and excluded if he didn't like what it said. The entire version is his own personally preferred false translation, and it deliberately excludes various legit writings such as the Book of Enoch. Enoch was transfigured into Heaven without experiencing death, and Jesus Christ actually quoted him in the New Testament, proving that Enoch's writings were inspired by Heavenly experience and approved by Almighty God. And yet King James dismissed his writings as "heresy" and "fantasy". People who won't read the Book of Enoch are scared of the incredible account of the Fallen Angels and refuse to accept how really WEIRD this earth was before the flood, to the point where some pastors will get physically angry with you if you attempt to make THEM read it. When Jesus said "search the scriptures", he meant ALL of them. The Book of Enoch, Jubiliees, the Book of Giants, .... EVERYTHING. The King James Bible is probably the worst, most incomplete, inaccurate garbage ever.
@barryhowell8992 It's absolutely Astounding how many "believers" if you will, don't understand that. KJV, is definitively the worst translation. But how many people Actually Read the texts they "believe"?
I don't think it should have been ever removed,it has a great historical value, now if that happened today, people took out books of the Bible, what would people think
Martin Luther almost removed the book of James. So who has an authority to remove? If decide to remove book of colossians, would you immediately follow suite or test it first?
@@TatureBud lol he did remove it. Just wasn't successful in getting many to follow. He was a brave and also very interesting person. Good response nonetheless.
@@jeremymoffet9034 Good afternoon Jeremy. You said; "he did remove it" Luther's 1534 German Bible contained all 27 books of the NT, all 39 books of the OT, and all books of the Apocrypha.
@@mark9531 Fair point...I should have said, more accurately that he rejected it and believed it to be impossible to reconcile it with other books of the Bible (mostly Paul in my opinion). He even called it an "epistle of straw". He rejected other works as well.
The problem for Protestants is that Luther and other 16th century "reformers" had absolutely no authority to determine what was scripture and what was not....including the 7 deuterocanonical books. It established the REAL "tradition of men"...unauthorized men. The Catholic Church had that authority from Christ....biblically AND historically. You can add reason and common sense as well. Anything else is intellectual dishonesty.
Yes, that's the Catholic position. For the Reformers, since the Apocrypha was not part of the Jewish Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible), they questioned its canonical status. The Hebrew Bible was solidified in its current form sometime around the first century AD. This canon does not include the Apocryphal books, which were written primarily in Greek and not in Hebrew (with a few possible exceptions). The Reformers recognized the Jewish community's role in preserving the Hebrew Scriptures. This acknowledgment, however, was more about recognizing the historical and linguistic authenticity of the texts rather than assigning ecclesiastical authority to the Jewish community.
@@ntlearning Yes, and you give the false Protestant position, which is problematic for several reasons beyond the very cogent one I gave. Luther had no authority to change the canon, no matter what his excuses were because of his conjured up theology that misunderstood Paul, or any other Protestant after those books had been in the Christian (Catholic) bible for over a thousand years. . The Deuterocanonicals were part of the LXX, the Septuagint, and biblical scholars know it was cited widely by the apostles. About 90% of the references in the NT about the OT came from the Septuagint. In the first century, there was no closed canon of the Hebrew bible. Judaism was NOT some monolithic body that had agreed on a Hebrew bible. So Luther's excuses are nonsense, especially after the revelations after discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 that Luther knew nothing about...the Essenes kept scrolls including some of the apocryphal books before the time of Christ. What Jews finally decided upon much later is immaterial. Protestants used the Masoretic texts which came long after the CC had canonized the OT in the 4th century with Pope Damasus and the Council of Rome. That decision never changed in the CC and was infallibly declared by the Council of Trent over a 1000 years later with no change in response to Luther's nonsense. No one knows for sure when the first attempts were made by the Jews to close their canon. It doesn't matter....the CC had the authority from Jesus...He promised to send the Spirit of Truth to guide the chosen leaders of the Church He founded into all truth (Gospel of John) and to be with it always. That includes canonizing the bible which should be an inconvenient truth to Protestants, but they either ignore or twist biblical passages to support their flawed theology...the promise of Jesus DID NOT APPLY to the 16th century schisms and traditions of men who made up their own religions and picked and chose what books of the bible they wanted. The Church Jesus founded did not need to follow the old covenant and what Jews thought anyway...they had no belief in the New Testament. The CC had the biblical authority, not Luther or Calvin or the Jews or any other human, to say what was scripture. The CHURCH of the NT bible had that authority. The bible called it the "pillar and foundation for the truth." Not Luther, not bickering Protestants, not Jews.
@@richardkramer4076 Thanks for the cut and paste. Keep it shorter because people don't read long threads. But we are not talking about the NT. We are talking about the OT. It was the Jewish Church and their tradition that we are grafted from. The Jewish Fathers rejected those books because they believed them not to be true Hebraic Canon. They don't care about Catholics and Protestants. And the Hebrew Tanakh came out before the Bible was codified. The Church should not be so proud. Peter to decide the NT, and Moses to decide the OT. Jewish Church and Christian Church = One Tree. Interestingly, Saint Athanasius had the Protestant Canon. That's quite funny.
@@ntlearning I didn't cut and paste a single word. It was all from memory. Of course, it's convenient to blame the length of my response, because it refutes your claims. You pretend the "Jewish fathers" were all in agreement...that is flat wrong The Sadducees believed the Torah, but not what all the other Jewish sects like the Pharisees believed for example. Temples kept various scrolls, not a Hebrew bible. No one can point to a definitive closing of the Hebrew canon until the 9th century. The rest is just speculation. Jamnia is myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls are an inconvenient truth for Luther and you. You have yet to give a good rebuttal to my claims, while I have addressed yours. You just can't wiggle out of the big problem for Protestants...they had NO AUTHORITY to change the canon that had been in place for a 1000 years. Jews have no authority to be deciding a Christian canon....nor does Martin Luther. The bible makes clear WHO has the authority, and it is not 16th century schismatics, regardless of how much you ignore the truth. Chew on truth for a while.
They are not used by the newer Protestant movements but more historical protestant traditions such as the Lutherans and Anglicans use it in their liturgies...although many members of those churches probably have Bibles without the apocrypha due to how few apocrypha Bibles are on the market.
Thank you for watching and engaging! You are so right. Although it depends on whether or not those memebers use the Bibles published by the Church or not. If so, Concordia publishes with the Apocrypha.
It had absolutely nothing to do with black, white, or any other skin color. Luther was a heathen who decided to build his own kingdom. Because the Bible disagreed with some of his own beliefs, he simply removed those books.
Fun fact - you can get almost every protestant Bible also with the apocrypha. And there are even catholic Bibles that don't include them. I have one of those in my collection. It carries the normal Imprimatur and all. So it was approved by the Roman catholic church.
Thats interesting!!! A Catholic Bible by definition includes the deuterocanonical books, and finding one without them would be atypical and not representative of the Catholic tradition. Where did you find it? I’m interested to know who the publisher is and what edition this might be. Share...🤔👀
Blessings and thank you. I appreciate your kindness. If you are willing, talk to me. I am a student at heart. What do you disagree with? I’m open to learn! 🤗
Well, thank you so much! You’ve made my day! 🤗 Be sure to check out my other videos on the Apocrypha…the insights get deeper and greater. The Lost Books: ruclips.net/user/shortso0m_qTPGKZc?si=N-fO6xY4X79xypHc Martin Luther’s Apocrypha ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=qbw74vT5OQ62_0W8 Who REMOVED the Apocrypha ruclips.net/user/shortso-JyExR1fxQ?si=qI0C_4jcKwcF2UGm Disputed Books ruclips.net/user/shorts2D16wlzmbSc?si=7ZSi5zECSGOyYkoS
No disrespect to the content provider, but on a broader level, the truth may not always be what we are "looking for". Seek first the Kingdom of God and not just your own truth.
There is a rule which is there must be two or more witnesses to interpretation of the Bible. If the Apocrypha does not meet the test, then it cannot be "inspired" and included as Holy Scripture.
What also surprises me is that of men, without sin, DECIDED what holy texts should be “allowed” and which ones shouldn’t. These are the Lords writing-who gave you authority to omit anything?
They took it out for a reason because it reveals who the true children of Yi'sreal is. And who the wicked truly are, some of these so called church. Misleading millions upkn million. So people who rather listen to a pastor then open the book for themselves
Excellent question. On each Monday I will be doing what I’m calling Apocryphal Mondays. I will be delving into your question every week. But here is a video that I am sure will pique your interest. ruclips.net/video/tE7fPPIOMRg/видео.htmlsi=Qe9-GEqx9q_18Vai
1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible. 2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number. 3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews. 4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
John 10:22 references the holiday of Hanukkah. Read 1 Maccabees 4. Hebrews 11:35 references the Maccabean martyrs. Read 2 Maccabees 6 & 7. Hebrews 13:2 references the angel Raphael in the book of Tobit. Daniel 8 & 11 prophesy about Alexander defeating the Persians and his kingdom split in 4 parts, which was fulfilled in 1 Maccabees 1.
A much better guide on this topic is with Gary Michuta on his yt channel the Apocrypha Apocalypse. He goes through a detailed explanation how the non-catholics removed these inspired books from their bibles in stages. He also shows how Jeromes early doubts were transformed and how the Dead Sea Scrolls actually show Jeromes doubts were unfounded and the Pope was right to insist the deutero-canons were indeed inspired.
Its really sad that they have been missed out of The Bible, when reading them, one finds out revelation the church needs. I did not know about the Ethianopean Bible either, till The Hevenly family directed me to lisen to specific books. But staying away from the ghostic books is very wise, as these are enemy books, copies of, to misdirect followers of Jesus. The ghostics are for want of a description are like the pharasees and we know what Jesus said about them.. Bless you.
No one should be able to decide for you. Search your heart. If the Bible is vague maybe the Apocrypha will be of great assistance. It sure was to me. ❤Test everything. Nothing in the Bible is vague. May the Holy spirit guide us all on this journey of discovery and may it be to the glory of the Most Hight. ❤
As a Catholic, I actually appreciate how basic the information was here. Anyone who listens to this will have a decent understanding of the reasons they were removed in later editions of the KJB
I'm very familiar and have read the Gospel of Thonas. While mostly sayings of Jesus common in the Gospels, there are some strange things and clearly talks about knowledge/Wisdom as important rather than the spirit of Jesus. I think the apocrypha are interesting to illustrate how variable early Christian (and Greek) thought was but I can completely understand why they were removed. Ot certainly doesn't fit Paul's Jesus. But also, we should recognise that Paul also doesn't mention any miracles of Jesus. Also we should recognise that revelations was considered to be a part of the apocrypha early on (and personally I believe ot should be removed).
I got the Bible with the other books from my Pastor Jennings store and originally the Bible is called the Holy Scriptures Samuel:218 talks about the book of Jasher
Good day brother do you know what does it mean of Apocrypha? Incase you do not know its Hidden away! Not only Apocrypha they removed alot of scriptures but anyway as what the scripture say in Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered,that shall not be revealed;neither hid,that shall not be known.Abbah bless you brother...
Blessings! Thank you for watching and engaging! Here is a more exhaustive teaching on the removal of the Apocrypha ruclips.net/video/XrlNpdlZYJI/видео.htmlsi=W4AsuaDe5EeDwzYv
As another story goes, the Geneva Bible of 1560, was the bible before KJV came out with his, also had the Apocrypha & the Protestants was not happy with KJV creating his own Bible, they made it to where the Geneva Bible was against the law to have so Protestants fled to here for religious freedom. Really hard to not question why these things happen. Extremely suspect. I believe people are further away from the true teachings of God & since they plan for another religious reset (not the first), pretty sure it'll take people even further, until they realize to go within. God existed way before books!!
Acts 23:3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
The Ethiopian Bible is the oldest original Bible that was written and still to this day holds the apocrypha within it unchanged by man taking away from Gods word 🫠
Actually, there are some things that need to be stated: 1. There only 7 deuterocanonical books (what he calls apocryphal) in the Catholic Bible. I’m not sure where he is getting 14. 2. Protestants removed these books from their inspired canon during The Reformation. Church councils in the late 4th Century and 15th Century list these books as inspired. These books, however, clearly articulate Catholic (and historic Christian) beliefs that Protestants disagree with, so Luther removed them. 3. Early Protestant Bibles still continued to include these books but in a different section. Many of these books stopped being included over time due to Bible-printing costs.
Thank you for your engagement! I appreciate you taking the time to engage with this content and your input. May I offer some insights into the points you've raised? 1. The term "Deuterocanonical" identifies a subset of books within the broader Apocrypha. The seven books you are referring to -Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and First and Second Maccabees-are consistently recognized as Deuterocanonical. It's important to take note that the designation "Deuterocanonical" is used within certain traditions, particularly in Catholic and Eastern Orthodox contexts. The total count of books in the Apocrypha can vary based on which texts are included or excluded, but “ALL” the books commonly referred to as Apocrypha are part of the Deuterocanonical books. This term highlights their recognition as canonical by some traditions while not universally accepted by others. 2. While it's true that Martin Luther had concerns about certain books in the Apocrypha, the statement oversimplifies the historical context. Luther “DID NOT” remove these books from the canon; instead, he relocated them within the Bible, between the Old and New Testaments, emphasizing a distinction in authority. The process of defining the canon was not uniform across church history, and various Christian traditions held different views on the status of these books. The late 4th Century councils, such as the Councils of Hippo and Carthage, did discuss canonical lists, but there wasn't a universal consensus among all Christian communities. Additionally, the 15th Century reference likely pertains to the Council of Florence, which sought to address church unity but did not establish a binding canon. The assertion that Luther removed these books due to disagreements with Catholic beliefs oversimplifies the historical and theological factors involved. Luther's concerns were nuanced and related to specific doctrines, not a wholesale rejection. Check out my video titled Luther’s Apocrypha ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=0yZEQ8MPISQMos7_ 3. You are correct! Early Protestant Bibles continued to include these books, albeit “often” placed in a separate section (most commonly between the Old and New Testaments). However, over time, many of these books gradually ceased to be included, a shift attributed in part to decisions made by “The Publishers and Printers”. Check out my YT Short ruclips.net/user/shortso-JyExR1fxQ?si=zVRgSa98-y9rwz6o Much Love!!!
Good morning Ike. You said; "I’m not sure where he is getting 14" That is a good question. The 7 whole books of the Apocrypha are *Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and I Maccabees and II Maccabees.* ________________________ The other 7 books of the Apocrypha are actually *extensions* or additions to other books of the Old Testament ~ *I Esdras* [Additions to the book of Ezra] ~ *II Esdras* [Additions to the book of Nehemiah] ~ *The Rest of Esther* [107 verses added to Esther] ~ *The Song of the Three Children* [Addition to the book of Daniel] ~ *The Stories Susanna* [Addition to the book of Daniel] ~ *Bell and Dragon* Daniel [Addition to the book of Daniel] ~ *The Prayer of Manasseh* [Addition to he book of II Chronicles]
"deuterocanonical books (what he calls apocryphal)" I hope you don't mind if I make couple more clarifications. These books were called Apocrypha by Jerome as a section in his Latin Vulgate. Where he segregated the Apocryphal books from the rest of the Canon of Scripture. All early church fathers referred to these books as *Apocryphal* ________________________ There has always been and there always will be questions as to the canonicity and inspiration of these books. Dating all the way back to Origen, Jerome, Clement, Athanasius, Ruffinus, Hilary, Gregory of Nazianzus, Melito, and Cyril of Jerusalem all had strong opinions as to the inspiration and canonicity of the Apocrypha. Early church fathers considered these books as ecclesiastical, enlightening, to be read and taught. But there has always been a distinction between these books and the inspired canon of scripture.
"Protestants removed these books from their inspired canon during The Reformation" "Early Protestant Bibles still continued to include these books but in a different section" These books were never listed as part of the inspired canon. These books have always been separated from the canon of scripture (Until the English Douay-Rheims) Jerome separated these books from the inspired canon with a heading called *Apocrypha* in the Latin Vulgate. Jerome also wrote a clear disclaimer that these books, though enlightening, and should be read, were not part of the inspired canon of scripture.
"Many of these books stopped being included over time due to Bible-printing costs." That is correct. All English Bibles, even into the Reformation, contained the Apocrypha. Often following Jerome's pattern of separating them from inspired canon and writing a clear disclaimer as to their canonicity. The Apocrypha remained in the KJV, by law and copyright, until 1884. As you stated, it was removed for cost. And also to reduce the 17"x12"x5" 1600 page size of the KJV.
If it the new testament quoted from it, then what more proof do you want? Did the Holy Spirit have a hand in the writing of those books? Does any of those books go against what is viewed as truly inspired books? If there is no contradiction or heresies, then why go after it?
This is why I don’t understand the Protestant church anymore because I can’t believe King James had us only reading 66 books 😭 I was shocked when I converted to Catholicism and they had 72 then I was introduced to the Orthodox Bible ❤️
There’s a reason why the KJV is used by Catholics…Look up the history and King James and his proclivities. The KJV was a state sanctioned bible by the states sanctioned Anglican Church that is basically England version of the Catholic Church. The Bible of the reformers and the Bible the founders of America used was the Geneva. The Geneva was truly the Bible of the reformers and true Protestants of those eras. The Geneva was the common mans study bible which king James did not like..much like the Roman church felt about Tyndale and Wycliffe and Luther.
Thank you for your engagement, and I appreciate your interest. However, it's important to address some inaccuracies in your comment. The King James Version (KJV) was commissioned by King James I for the Church of England, not as a state-sanctioned Bible for Catholics. The Geneva Bible, while popular among Protestants, had its controversies. The KJV aimed to be acceptable to both High Church Anglicans and Puritans. While the Geneva Bible was favored by some reformers, the KJV was commissioned to be a more inclusive and widely accepted translation within the English-speaking world. Lastly, the authorized Catholic translation has been the Douay-Rheims Bible since its publication between 1582 and 1610. This translation was a response to the Protestant Reformation and the popularity of the Geneva Bible (1560).
If you are talking about the NT apocryphal books I don’t think they were ever put in widely. Most of the books were excepted for years by tradition and when the NT was formally compiled those were the books that were accepted. Books like revelation had the most trouble getting into the official NT cannon.
Blessings! And thank you. I have not encountered an NKJV version of the Apocrypha. I have it separately. Here is a link to a few resources including the Apocrypha amzn.to/3PVb8yz
Check out the orthodox study Bible Old Testament newly translated from the Greek text of the Septuagint, including the Deuterocanon New Testament from the New King James Version
KJV 1611 Editions which is the 1st editions of the year 1611, never been revised by Protestants, will have them between the O.T. and the N.T. ..... You can still buy that edition .... usually in a Large White Beautiful Hard copy Book ... NKJV"s will not have them
Because it gave information that the leaders of the religious world didnt want the masses to have access too. You controll a people lore or history and you control their minds.
Blessings and thank you for watching and engaging. Can I remind you of something? “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15, KJV) I want you to catch that key phrase... not be ashamed!!!
Let's start off by asking who is King James? Was he a holy man?? Was he a ruthless king?? Why would this King be allowed to take out books from the bible?? I'm confused because I'm a Mayan from central America and my ancestors history was destroyed by European invaders which then re-wrote history and religion in their favor. Just saying
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! You have brought up some really important questions, especially given the history you're coming from. Let’s break it down a bit. King James I ruled England from 1603 to 1625. But he wasn’t involved in translating the Bible himself, he did authorize a new translation that we now know as the King James Version (KJV). Check out this video ruclips.net/video/5huF3cRCyuE/видео.htmlsi=CFNYFKHvRBOS4OHe. His main goal was to unify his kingdom, which was divided by different Christian beliefs. The translation was done by a group of scholars, not by King James personally, and it wasn’t about him deciding which books should be in or out. That process had already been settled by church councils centuries before he came along. As for the books that were “taken out,” the KJV originally included the Apocrypha. Although they were placed in a separate section in the original 1611 KJV, which originated in Luther's Bible. Over time, some Protestant groups decided not to include the Apocrypha in their Bibles, but that decision was not made by King James, and they were not removed until 1885. Your point about the rewriting of history by European invaders is incredibly valid. Colonization led to the loss and distortion of so many indigenous cultures, including Mayan history. Unfortunately, the spread of Christianity was sometimes part of this process, and it’s understandable to feel conflicted or even upset about how religion was used during that time. It is crucial that we continue to recognize and remember the harm that was done and to understand how it has shaped our world today. I really appreciate you bringing this up. These are tough but necessary conversations to have as we try to understand history and its impact on different cultures, including our own.
Luther was a book burner he wanted to remove Revelation, hebrews, jude and james also. I haven't found anything evil in the deuterocanonical books. They are inspired in my beliefs. Another influencer on youtube has reasons he believes that show they are not inspired but we have answers for his doubts.
I just started reading the apocrypha and the book of sirach reminds me of proverbs it has some really good scripture I can relate to I mean the book is full of wisdom and I can’t understand why would they remove this great book better yet how do man decide what is wrong to be in the bible who gave them that authority I pray for them boy they are going pay the price for removing things in bible
Although, I do believe that I did. Forgive me! Please accept my apology. Here is the reason why 👉🏾 ruclips.net/video/o-JyExR1fxQ/видео.htmlsi=C4oHjtg7RjQumy0o
Good morning souououo. You said; "You did not say why these book were removed" The primary reason any major publication of the Bible removed the Apocrypha was not for any ecclesiastical reason. It was simply a matter of economics. The King James Bible was a 17"x 13" x 5" thick. It was 1600 page a lectern Bible which weighed 30 pounds and was chained to the pulpit. _________________________________ It included the apocrypha, The Book of Common Prayers, and many pages of calendars, bible reading and prayer schedules, genealogies of the patriarchs, kings, holy days, veneration of the saints, maps, etc. When Congress gave Robert Aitken the copyright to print the 1611 King James Bible in the US, he took everything out of the KJV except the 66 books. This made the Bible affordable and the size it is now.
"why they are considered uninspired by God" A distinction must be made between why they were removed (which I stated in my last comment. And why they were not considered inspired. Here is the quick reason they are NOT considered inspired: ~There was a 400 year silence when God ceased to speak to His people, Israel, and the New Testament. ~If God was not speaking to Israel, He was not inspiring his people to write more scripture, after the book of Malachi ~None of the characters in the Apocryphal books claimed to be prophets, who would have written scripture ~The Characters in the Apocryphal books recount their prayers to God. *But none ever claim that God, the Holy Spirit, or angels spoke back to them* This is the essence of inspiration. And what is lacking in the Apocryphal books
When Ezra complied the Canon, the apocrypha were not written. They came later.....What we call the Old testament was complied by Ezra in Babylon. Matthew 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Abel was the first person to be killed, and Zechariah was the last prophet to be killed..... Righteous Abel... Genesis to Zechariah. Scripture..... Which was what Jesus and the apostles read from. It was what was complied by Ezra that are called scriptures. The apocrypha are just later books and writings.
The Apocrypha was not part of the Bible. It was added by the Papacy to support the fiction of purgatory which is denied in Luke 16:19-31. Josephus does not recognize the these works nor did the Jews at Ja,mnia in 90 AD,. The church at Nicaea in 325 AD did not list these works as part of the Bible. .
You are correct in saying “The church at Nicaea in 325 AD did not list these works as part of the Bible.” It wasnt for another 65 years later when the church, guided by the Holy Spirit did this task and surprisingly the 27 books of the NT and the 46 books of the OT were canonized at the same time. 👍🏻 So… You are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today based on the Bible, just pick one. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books, and ONLY the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself? Peace!!!
The enemy removed them and the only one that’s dodgy is the gospel of Thomas. It was taken out by the enemy, Rome. Modern Christian’s are so knee deep in heresy they might as well be pagans
Do you mean the Roman Catholic Church? The church that can trace its history all the way back to the apostles? The church who still teaches today the same thing that the apostles pot back then? The same church who codified the Bible and kept it around for 2000 years so that we could have it today? the church to mission and teaching this always to help us to know and trust the Lord more deeply every day?
@@PatrickSteilEsaú took the books out the very people god hates took the book out it didn’t fit their doctrine which is why they took it out for example 2nd edras 56 Summary the other nation means absolutely nothing to god only Israel but that wouldn’t fit their teaching that everyone can and will be saved which is a false teaching so the enemy took it out so therefore you need to read the apocryphal books if you want the truth again they are enemies in the Bible so ofc they took it out
Should Christians Read the Apocrypha? Here's Why
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The Apocrypha was in the 1611 King James Bible. It wasn't removed until the 1800s, several centuries after the Protestant Reformation. I used to avoid the Apocrypha until October 31, 2017, the 500the Anniversary of the Protestant Reformation which didn't go unnoticed in the Presbyterian church. I started studying Church history, something many Protestants don't do despite all of our Bible study. That's when I began to wonder if its removal was a mistake because the seeds of what are now cults began to form - Mormonism, Millerites, from which came the SDA Church, Charles Taze Russell, Mary Baker Eddy and others. I began to wonder if there was something in or about the Apocrypha that would've prevented this. The Apocrypha isn't canon but I like the attitude of the Ethiopian Church, which has one of the oldest canons of scripture and 88 books. These books aren't inspired but the writers of scripture knew its contents and so should we to understand the context in which they were writing.
Hey sis was wondering if you had information on the books I would really love to read them!
You do know there was 13 books removed 100 years after Jesus died
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The Apocrypha is valid
If you look in the Old Testament and Daniel chapter 2 he talks about 4 powerful empires in this specific order Babylon,Medo-Persia ,Greece and Roman Empire .
Daniel lived served the Babylonians and the Medo -Persians if we continue from the book of Daniel all the way to the book of Malachi we don’t see the Greek Empire . Why is it that out of now her in the new Testament it skips to the ruling of the Roman’s .
The reason being is because this apocrypha books bridges the New Testament and the Old Testament
And if you look into it it covers the Greek empire they’re valid and inspired with God and completes the timeline of the Kingdoms in Daniel 2
I was honestly expecting to hear some myths. But pleasantly surprised you were 100% correct and non-bias. Impressive!
Blessings, and thank you so much! I am a strong proponent of truth. I do my absolute best to remove all biases, assumptions, and presumptions from the content I present to believers and those non-believers who may frequent my content. Scripture says, "The truth shall make us free." This principle guides my work and underscores the importance of truth in promoting understanding and open dialogue among all who engage with my content.
@@gclmedia 1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible.
2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number.
3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews.
4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
@@dougy6237 You copied and pasted this at least 7 times. Stop spamming, dude :)
@@zacharyshort384 Yes, isn't it just terrible when a Catholic quotes history and scripture!. If we're not careful we might find out the truth and convert to Christ's Catholic Church!
@@dougy6237 That has zero to do with spamming unless you're suggesting spamming the "Good News" will do something other than turn people off; in which case, I have some *bad news* ;)
The Ethiopian Bible did not remove them.
Yes they did. Jesus actually had 13 books about his life during the time skip in the Bible but 100 years after his death the Christian church removed his teachings because they deemed it to eastern esoteric.
@ Did you watch to video to comprehend or just to argue. The books he’s referring to is not about gap between the age of 12-33. Aside from the Gnostic Nag Hammadi which was discovered in 1945, can you list the thirteen books you are referring. I’ve seen your other comments about Jesus visiting India, your source of Jesus being in south east Asia is not credible. Go ahead and list the 13 books. Don’t ask me to google it.
Catholic here and I thank you for this too many people even very intellectual Protestants do not know their history but have the audacity to explain something to their flock that they were never fully educated on and I thank you for not being one of those Pastors brother seriously may God bless you
Thank you so much. I love truth therefore I most love God’s word!
People will be surprised when they figure out that there are dozens of passages that Messiah and the apostles quoted from the Apocrypha.
Thank you so much...there are sooooo many!!! I have a series of videos coming that will present some of the most commonly overlooked!
@mcintosh6214 be careful with that. People are philosophers instead of relationship experts when it comes to God. They talk themselves and whoever will listen to them out of relationship with God and into leaning on their own understanding of scripture. You need the truth to sell lies. Those other books, although alluded to in the current 66 books of the Bible, are not inspired by The Holy Spirit. They contradict the established Word of God.
@@Whoo_Boy actually they do not, but let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
@mcintosh6214 if they didn't they would be openly studied in every Protestant and Roman catholic church. The catholic church would even have them translated into Latin. But let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
@@Whoo_Boy Come on, thats like Saying the Iraneus persecuted Valentinians because they didn't believe in the Holy Trinity when that's nonsense. The truth is there is truth the church doesn't want people to know, for fear it will lead them astray like you say, but not because it goes against Jesus teachings. For example saying everything including Evil is part of God's will. And I'm sure focusing on equality based on the human spirit and not based on the flesh didn't go over well with the good ol boys of the Church lol. For Example Gospel of Mary preached equality regardless of gender or orientation. Gospel of Judas preached we all get out of hell eventually. Gospel of Truth literally admits the Trinity as we know it. Father and Son as One, Son is fully God and Fully Man, Holy Spirit is their Message of Love brought forth by their Ministries of Churches from All Realms. The Elohim aka Holy Spirit.
But it goes into such detail to describe what the Holy Spirit is that it would just make most people go cross eyed. Don't forget even the original Gospels kept secret and only for people of the Church ,not for laymen, and it was death if you transcribed them to another language. All the crazy stuff about describing other realms, or creation, or the Holy Spirit, or the Old Testament God being a different God and in what way depending on which old Christian Sect you ask. Its understandable why all that was taken out. Its just too complicated and distracting. But none of it technically goes against the Bible or Jesus's teaching. Philosophizing was literally a core teaching of Jesus. Seeking Knowledge and thou shall find. The Gnostics taught us that any so called Abrahamic Religion that has Given God a name different from He Is that Is, or I Am that I Am, in their scriptures, are automatically marked as being false by God's design. His word can't be changed in his name. Because the word for his name was Christ the Messiah. Our Image.
To admit Jesus referred to himself as who was revealed to Abraham and Moses, is to admit in the Trinity.
I disagree with Gnostics in that the old testament God was a different god. I believe it was as a Parent to Children of a more primitive race. And Jesus was our Formal introduction as no longer just Parent. But also as Friend and Savior.
Good content, great information! This Really needs to be out in circulation more. My brother and I talked about this a lot. He finally got himself a copy to read with the apocrypha included to get himself a better picture of what has happened over the years.
You are a blessing! I appreciate you more than you know. Check out my Apocrypha Playlist (Updated Weekly) ruclips.net/p/PLDeCxlE5-BAPUfLvJDjCkmTXo-fXyL3h3&si=tOP15raLwsgNVhkz
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Just found your channel! Appreciate the insight! Now I need to watch your others.. I have the "Complete 54 Book Apocrypha 2022 Edition". Also, I use the Septuagint in conjunction with the Hebrew text during my studies. Together, I believe they yield greater insight than using one or the other alone. Something happened in the 1800s all over the world. Odd how prior to them, quality of life was unchanged for thousands of years but exploded afterwards. Bible versions exploded, the movement to rebuild Israel, etc.. The way we understood the bible was highly altered from that point on as well. I believe the removal of the Apocrypha highlights the delusion of the church and how much power others give authoritative figures in the church, when they effectively have none. That's truly a tragedy.
Thank you so much. There is so much more than meets the eye. I often say that the Bible is complex but not complicating; simple but not easy. We have to stay on the pursuit of Discover with consistency and persistence. And you are so right there was a major shift in the Church at that time.
The protestant Bible is heretical so it's no wonder the heresy of Christian Zionism came from them also!
Well, the 7 books were put into a separate part of the bible by luther because they contradicted his heresies. Mainly 2nd maccabees. They were ultimately removed entirely by the British bible association, to reduce the cost of priniting bibles. They were in the torah read by Jesus, and are in the dead sea scrolls.
"the 7 books were put into a separate part of the bible by luther"
The Apocrypha was separated by Jerome in his Latin Bible in the 4th century.
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"by luther because they contradicted his heresies."
Luther never said anything about the Apocryphal books contradicting his heresies.
Luther stated that the Apocrypha was useful to be read by protestant Christians. But that it should not be used for doctrine.
The same reasons most CATHOLIC church fathers gave for not using the Apocrypha for doctrine.
@@mark9531 Jerome did not remove them. But he questioned them based on the fact that the Jews has removed them. He was following the lead of post-crusifixion Jews. By then, the Jews were no longer authorities over scripture 🤣🤣. And while he tried to move thrn, the church said "nah".
@@chukulan Good afternoon chukulan. You said; "He was following the lead of post-crusifixion Jews"
What did the crucifixion have to do with the canon of the OT. The canon of the OT had been completed for 400 years by the time of Christ.
The church did not determine the OT canon. The Jews had been copying the OT for 400 years.
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Jerome did not follow anyone's lead. Whether Jews or the church. Jerome's OT did not include the Apocryphal books
Jerome separated the Apocryphal books and called them the Apocrypha
Luther doesn’t believe in prayers to the dead.
2nd Maccabees affirms prayer to dead.
Luther then removed from his own canon.
Tried to do the same thing to James be of faith without works being dead but didn’t get enough support as was blatantly wrong.
He tried to be a new pope if only he was a reformer not a betrayer.
@@Idishrkdmd Good afternoon ldishrkdmd. You said "Luther then removed from his own canon"
*_Every book of the Apocrypha_* was in Luther's 1534 German translation. Including I & 2 Macabees
There is not one difference between Luther's German Bible of 1534 and Jerome's Latin Bible of AD 401.
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"He tried to be a new pope if only he was a reformer not a betrayer."
He was a reformer in the pattern of Jerome. Luther was probably the second most brilliant theologian after Jerome.
I just recently discovered many "deuterocanonical" books have many of the same scriptures that are in the New Testament. It's just luther wanted to remove them because his personal interpretation didn't agree. They confirm purgatory and he didn't agree with that and I believe thats why we have over 40,000 different Christian denominations now because of one rogue priest the Catholic church didn't sell indulgences rogue priests did that.He even wanted to remove the book of revelation, hebrews, james and jude. He was a book burner I'm almost done reading them and they aren't saying to do anything wrong they shouldn't of been removed but I'm Catholic so I consider them to be inspired. I was told by others that I shouldn't read them but now I know how wrong they were.The Catholic church decided the canon and compiled and put the bible together and the septuagint was read by christ and the apostles and if Christ didnt remove them then why did some rogue priest have a right to?? You owe your modern bibles to the holy spirit and the catholic church.
Thank you for sharing! I appreciate you. I have several videos that go further into the Deuterocanonical Books which I refer to as the Apocrypha being that I am Protestant and that my viewers at large are also, but I do accept these books as well as others as Scripture.
Check out the Apocrypha playlist:
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Actually, none of the scriptures teach purgatory. That is not Biblical. That is a Catholic tradition wrongly imposed on scriptures by priest mis interpretations.
Dude. Martin Luther had the right to spark the Protestant reformation. Indulgences are not biblical, and neither is purgatory. Nobody back then had access to the Bible’s. only priest or monks and they were able to manipulate it. Luther became a monk and found that indulgences and purgatory aren’t real so yes he sparked the reformation for good reason. You cannot buy or live off anyone’s salvation but your own. The thief on the cross was told he’d be with Christ in paradise that day, not a middle place where he’d need to be purged of his sins. That’s the whole reason why Christ came down. We are deemed righteous in the eyes of Gods for those that accept Christ. If purgatory is real then Christ died for nothing. His blood is what saves us, he died a death I deserved so I can live. There is no middle ground or cleaning place, we are clean because of him and through him everything is set free indeed.
@@nolangonzales5040amen keep fighting the good fight brother
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Catholic Bible has 73 books of undifferentiated authority, and one item in an appendix to the Old Testament, namely the Prayer of Manasseh. St Jerome queried some of the Old Testament books, but was overruled by the Pope. The Gutenberg Bible is an example of this Catholic Bible.
Martin Luther, on his own authority, moved seven books queried by St Jerome to a separate section, which he called the apocrypha, arguing that they were of lesser authority. The Protestant Bible Society in the 1820s deleted the "apocryphal" books to save money. Some modern Protestants claim that seven books were added to the Bible by the Council of Trent, as if the Gutenberg printers could see into the future.
Thank you for watching and engaging! You are spot on. I talk about this in some of my other videos on the “so-called”Apocrypha.
Not just the Pope every bishop that attended the councils of Rome, Hippo and Carthage.
He moved them because most of these books did not agree with his theology of Sola Fide and Purgatory. The Book of Maccabees contains passages that prove Purgatory. He also called the Book of James the "“epistle of straw". So that one got almost removed as well. The question is, where did he get the authority to demote these books. Is his understanding of the Christians' teaching superior to the previous councils?
@@maxellton He was to put it kindly a very prideful person.
Good evening David. You said; "Martin Luther, on his own authority, moved seven books queried by St Jerome to a separate section, which he called the apocrypha, arguing that they were of lesser authority"
Actually, David, Jerome did ALL of that. Luther merely followed Jerome's pattern.
~Jerome separated the Apocryphal books.
~Jerome called the the Apocrypha.
~Jerome said they were of lesser authority.
The apocrypha is definitely the bridge we need to cross over to clearly understand God's word...Isaiah 34:16
The Jews dismissed all apocryphal books and never included them in the Hebrew Bible. the first Christian’s and early fathers all rejected them. They contain fictional characters, geographical errors and contradictory to scripture. Jesus, all prophets, disciples, apostles and followers never recite and record any quote from any of these books as real scripture , there is a reason, they are not inspired by God but by man.
I have a family Bible which includes many apocryphal books.
They read very differently. They have merit for some of the flavor of the times in which they were written but add nothing to Theocratic understanding.
I do not need them to fully understand the canonical scriptures.
Who have the authority to change if it is the true word of GOD?
That means man wrote the whole bible .
فَوَيۡلٞ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكۡتُبُونَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ بِأَيۡدِيهِمۡ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنۡ عِندِ ٱللَّهِ لِيَشۡتَرُواْ بِهِۦ ثَمَنٗا قَلِيلٗاۖ فَوَيۡلٞ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتۡ أَيۡدِيهِمۡ وَوَيۡلٞ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكۡسِبُونَ ﴾
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﴿ ترجمة: فويل للذين يكتبون الكتاب بأيديهم ثم يقولون هذا من عند الله ليشتروا ﴾
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby....
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It was put in by man, removed by man. God had nothing to do with it.
I know real knowledge when I see it. When we rebuke or come to conclusions without a much further look back historical context if you don’t have pre-wisdom then it’s impossible to fathom what was said more recently as opposed to something way back before Thoth.
Excellent, informative video to the point! Thx!
Thank you so much. I do my best to be accurate yet as short and concise as possible. Believe me when I say it is not easy to do being that I create theological content.
Great explanation. Easy to understand and to the point.
YO PASTOR G, You know what was interesting when I was in college I heard a Pastor and Professor say that the Apocrypha was wicked and stupid. He said there is a book in there called "Bell and the Dragon" he said so what does a little girl and her Pet Dragon have anything to do with real Scriptures, also he said "The Apocrypha also has Voo Doo in it." I said said to myself Heck No I wont Read that, But a month later, I bought a very old Family Bible and the Apocrypha was in there. I began to read "Bell And The Dragon" and it was Not about a girl and a Dragon at all...... I looked up videos on 15 Reasons why the Apocrypha is wicked and Not Scripture. I found a list of 15 that claimed to PROOVED and EXPOSED the Apocrypha. Then I looked up all of the points and to my surprise they wasn't true.... Wow so many people have said so much against it but when you look up the points and evidence they provide it is just not really true..... I'm still reading it to find out if it is good or not.... See what we find...... If you find a good list with actual proof please send my way...!
Blessings and thank you for watching and engaging. You won’t find that list because it simply isn’t true. Until 1885 the Apocrypha has been part of the Bible all the way back to the Septuagint. Im working on a video I which I reveal the real reason why there is so much fallacy out there about the Apocrypha.
Some Jewish communities considered the Deuterocanon inspired (like the Essenes), there was never a unified Jewish Canon Sadducees, zealots, pharisee's and seraphic jews had different canons what is more important to note is that the early Christians considered them to be inspired.
I have a teaching that delves into this that I haven’t uploaded yet. You are on point!
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the Catholic Bible has the original biblical canon of AD 382. Luther removed seven book (and tried to remove another four) because they disagreed with his new theology.
Blessings and thank so much for engaging! If you have the opportunity please take a look at this video
👉🏾Did Martin Luther Remove the Apocrypha?
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@@gclmedia Luther removed the 7 deutero-canonical books. He also removed James Jude Hebrews and Revelation, though some of his co-religionists pressured him to reinstate the 4 NT books. Facts
Not true. He simply repositioned them to be between the Old and New Testaments. He specifically wrote that they were good for reading, despite his views on their canonicity.
@AppleOfThineEye The Bible consists of two sections: the Old Testament and the New Testament. A third section, created by some guy in the 16th century, is not part of the Bible.
@@fantasia55 Assuming you're talking about the Apocrypha, no, that is also not true. It was written, at the absolute latest, in the fourth century, as Augustine wrote about it.
You are free to debate the canonicity; saying it was written in the 16th century, however, is simply false.
Thank you for your concise and informative video. Really liked your insight and gentle delivery of your message.
You are most welcome. Thank you more!
1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible.
2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number.
3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews.
4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
I want to know more because there are so many references to these books in the Bible.
Blessings and thank you. I have several videos on this channel concerning the Apocrypha…but if you have something specific you’d like me to address please let me know. I’d be more than happy to create a video about it for you.
@gclmedia I do. Do you consider these books part of the word of God removed from the word of God or would you consider them unlawfully added and why?
They are quoted/referenced by Christ and the apostles in all 27 books of the New Testament
@richlopez5896 Blessings and thank you! I have multiple videos proving that the Apocrypha as well as other Biblical yet Non-canonical books were quoted throughout the New Testament. 👇🏾
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@@gclmedia The proper term for the 7 removed books is Deuterocanon.
This was the best and most unbiased video concerning the apocryphal books.
I do my absolute best. I try to present only the facts in an interesting way.
That's why Authority of the Church is very important. Catholics (Roman and Orthodox) agreed through the councils and not by a few people dicided of what is in the Bible and what is not.
Exactly. Christianity does not accept the Apocrypha and stood by while it was banned, burned, and buried!
Very informative and easy to understand. Thanks for the brilliant explanation ❤
You are most welcome! Check out the entire playlist ruclips.net/p/PLDeCxlE5-BAPUfLvJDjCkmTXo-fXyL3h3&si=Ingpb7bMcwJFTlEr
Matthew 9:36 vs Judith 11:19., matthew 22:25 vs Tobit 3:8
Nice!
The first so called parallel is superficial, while the second parallel are not parallel at all. 8 is not equal to 7, and the stories contradict each other. The Sadducees are giving a what-if question to Jesus stating that husbands die one by one, and the said husbands are brothers.
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It's very strange that the first version (year 1611) of the KJV did indeed contain the Apocrypha. But after 200 years in the year 1885, after many revisions of the KJV, they finally decided to take out the Apocrypha. Why?
Check out this YT Short I made to answer that exact question: ruclips.net/video/o-JyExR1fxQ/видео.htmlsi=dgWm6f1UbLxq3p3D
The fact that any book is quoted in the New Testament does not by itself mean that the quoted book is necessarily inspired and part of the canon of scripture. The same would be true of books that are quoted in the Old Testament.
1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible.
2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number.
3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews.
4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
I can respect an articulate unpretentious pastor for change; Godspeed sir
All 81 books should be consolidated as their stories are interwoven together. Books in the Apocrypha didn't fit the white man's so-called spiritual narrative when he became spiritual enlightened and decided to evangelize his people; however, today the books in the Apocrypha fits very well spiritually when read in conjunction with the rest of the 66 books of the Bible. The stories told in the books of the Apocrypha are just as spiritual and dynamic as any book in the Bible I read, and that is why I read them all once a year. God preserved them for a reason - for His people specifically.
_"white man's so-called spiritual narrative"_
Where does the Bible say White people rule the world? Christianity does not accept the Apocrypha. Christendom was right there while these texts were banned, burned, and buried! And you don't know what happened to the Hebrew kings, do you? That's pretty obvious... Oh, but you probably recall how evil Israel's kings were. All but about three of them. And these kings didn't go into exile with the other Jews bcuz Rome took the rest of the tribe captive in about 70 AD after Yeshua who came from that tribe. Some of the kings were Jews until then but for nearly 2000 years, have not been. Perhaps, this has caused some confusion. -from an Advisor to Nobility
Here's one of the reasons they removed the Apocrypha : 2 Esdras 6:54-59
54 And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen.
55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
57 And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.
58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.
59 If the world now be made for our sakes, why do we not possess an inheritance with the world? how long shall this endure?
@gclmedia
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
2 Timothy 3:16
If the “apocrypha” books are not “canon” but the Bible talks about some of the books that have events that are not in the Bible then it contradicts 2 Timothy 3:16. I always point out to Jude verse 14 where that prophecy of Enoch is not found anywhere in the KJ version of the Bible but it’s found in the book of Jasher.
Great post and straight to the point.
King James ordered the Geneva
Bible illegal which contains those apocryphal books and was still popular after his version came out because it contained annotations questioning the bishop’s power and his own. Just found out today. God bless you.
Thank you so much. Understanding historical context enriches our appreciation for the diverse biblical traditions and helps us to understand things that are not part of the western culture. Keep doing what you are doing, exploring! May God bless your journey!
2 Timothy 3:16 doesnt seem to have the meaning you think it does. Trent Horn explores this God Breathing word.
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Does Timothy also condone slavery? And leviticus gives a detailed description on just how to beat slaves,I believe.
Those 7 books have always been a part of the Bible's canon of scripture
Expect a lot of reasons or excuses for removing books out of the Holy Bible. Even the term “Apocrypha ‘ is offensive meaning “ writings or reports not considered genuine.or doubtful “ The shear audacity of some group or individuals manipulating Holy Scripture. Then using the term Apocrypha meaning doubtful to describe the Bible. A group of atheists or nonbelievers would have been proud. leave the Bible alone. I like my Bible to include all 81-84 books not just the 66. Im glad people are thirsting for more scripture. Happy reading 🎉
It was Jerome who used the word Apocrypha in his Vulgate in the section which contained these extra books.
The word Deuterocanonical did not appear until the 14th century.
Blessings and thank you for watching and engaging. Have you seen this Short? 👇🏾
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The King James Bible was created for King James VI, who had to approve of the final edit. It's his own idiotic mistranslation of the writings he found "acceptable", with everything else thrown out and excluded if he didn't like what it said. The entire version is his own personally preferred false translation, and it deliberately excludes various legit writings such as the Book of Enoch. Enoch was transfigured into Heaven without experiencing death, and Jesus Christ actually quoted him in the New Testament, proving that Enoch's writings were inspired by Heavenly experience and approved by Almighty God. And yet King James dismissed his writings as "heresy" and "fantasy". People who won't read the Book of Enoch are scared of the incredible account of the Fallen Angels and refuse to accept how really WEIRD this earth was before the flood, to the point where some pastors will get physically angry with you if you attempt to make THEM read it. When Jesus said "search the scriptures", he meant ALL of them. The Book of Enoch, Jubiliees, the Book of Giants, .... EVERYTHING.
The King James Bible is probably the worst, most incomplete, inaccurate garbage ever.
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It's absolutely Astounding how many "believers" if you will, don't understand that.
KJV, is definitively the worst translation.
But how many people Actually Read the texts they "believe"?
I don't think it should have been ever removed,it has a great historical value, now if that happened today, people took out books of the Bible, what would people think
There was just as much of an uproar then as well. It's just not talked about often. Research the KJV- Only Movement and the Apocrypha Controversy.
Who had the authority to remove them ?
No one
Martin Luther almost removed the book of James. So who has an authority to remove? If decide to remove book of colossians, would you immediately follow suite or test it first?
@@TatureBud lol he did remove it. Just wasn't successful in getting many to follow. He was a brave and also very interesting person. Good response nonetheless.
@@jeremymoffet9034 Good afternoon Jeremy. You said; "he did remove it"
Luther's 1534 German Bible contained all 27 books of the NT, all 39 books of the OT, and all books of the Apocrypha.
@@mark9531 Fair point...I should have said, more accurately that he rejected it and believed it to be impossible to reconcile it with other books of the Bible (mostly Paul in my opinion). He even called it an "epistle of straw". He rejected other works as well.
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So i got the apogrpyha. Should i take it as inspired the holy spirit or not? An if so then explain in words i can understand.
John 16:13
@@gclmediait shouldn't be. It teaches that we can pay for the sins of the dead. An that fallen angels had sex with women. Wich is just ridiculous.
Multiple early church councils declared the Apocryphal books to be divine canonical scripture in the 300’s AD.
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg it said angels had sex with women?
@@dustygatrell-ru7tggenesis ch 6
The problem for Protestants is that Luther and other 16th century "reformers" had absolutely no authority to determine what was scripture and what was not....including the 7 deuterocanonical books. It established the REAL "tradition of men"...unauthorized men. The Catholic Church had that authority from Christ....biblically AND historically. You can add reason and common sense as well. Anything else is intellectual dishonesty.
Yes, that's the Catholic position. For the Reformers, since the Apocrypha was not part of the Jewish Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible), they questioned its canonical status. The Hebrew Bible was solidified in its current form sometime around the first century AD. This canon does not include the Apocryphal books, which were written primarily in Greek and not in Hebrew (with a few possible exceptions). The Reformers recognized the Jewish community's role in preserving the Hebrew Scriptures. This acknowledgment, however, was more about recognizing the historical and linguistic authenticity of the texts rather than assigning ecclesiastical authority to the Jewish community.
@@ntlearning Yes, and you give the false Protestant position, which is problematic for several reasons beyond the very cogent one I gave. Luther had no authority to change the canon, no matter what his excuses were because of his conjured up theology that misunderstood Paul, or any other Protestant after those books had been in the Christian (Catholic) bible for over a thousand years. . The Deuterocanonicals were part of the LXX, the Septuagint, and biblical scholars know it was cited widely by the apostles. About 90% of the references in the NT about the OT came from the Septuagint. In the first century, there was no closed canon of the Hebrew bible. Judaism was NOT some monolithic body that had agreed on a Hebrew bible. So Luther's excuses are nonsense, especially after the revelations after discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 that Luther knew nothing about...the Essenes kept scrolls including some of the apocryphal books before the time of Christ. What Jews finally decided upon much later is immaterial. Protestants used the Masoretic texts which came long after the CC had canonized the OT in the 4th century with Pope Damasus and the Council of Rome. That decision never changed in the CC and was infallibly declared by the Council of Trent over a 1000 years later with no change in response to Luther's nonsense. No one knows for sure when the first attempts were made by the Jews to close their canon. It doesn't matter....the CC had the authority from Jesus...He promised to send the Spirit of Truth to guide the chosen leaders of the Church He founded into all truth (Gospel of John) and to be with it always. That includes canonizing the bible which should be an inconvenient truth to Protestants, but they either ignore or twist biblical passages to support their flawed theology...the promise of Jesus DID NOT APPLY to the 16th century schisms and traditions of men who made up their own religions and picked and chose what books of the bible they wanted. The Church Jesus founded did not need to follow the old covenant and what Jews thought anyway...they had no belief in the New Testament. The CC had the biblical authority, not Luther or Calvin or the Jews or any other human, to say what was scripture. The CHURCH of the NT bible had that authority. The bible called it the "pillar and foundation for the truth." Not Luther, not bickering Protestants, not Jews.
@@richardkramer4076 Thanks for the cut and paste. Keep it shorter because people don't read long threads.
But we are not talking about the NT. We are talking about the OT.
It was the Jewish Church and their tradition that we are grafted from. The Jewish Fathers rejected those books because they believed them not to be true Hebraic Canon.
They don't care about Catholics and Protestants. And the Hebrew Tanakh came out before the Bible was codified.
The Church should not be so proud. Peter to decide the NT, and Moses to decide the OT. Jewish Church and Christian Church = One Tree. Interestingly, Saint Athanasius had the Protestant Canon. That's quite funny.
@@ntlearning I didn't cut and paste a single word. It was all from memory. Of course, it's convenient to blame the length of my response, because it refutes your claims.
You pretend the "Jewish fathers" were all in agreement...that is flat wrong The Sadducees believed the Torah, but not what all the other Jewish sects like the Pharisees believed for example. Temples kept various scrolls, not a Hebrew bible. No one can point to a definitive closing of the Hebrew canon until the 9th century. The rest is just speculation. Jamnia is myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls are an inconvenient truth for Luther and you.
You have yet to give a good rebuttal to my claims, while I have addressed yours. You just can't wiggle out of the big problem for Protestants...they had NO AUTHORITY to change the canon that had been in place for a 1000 years. Jews have no authority to be deciding a Christian canon....nor does Martin Luther. The bible makes clear WHO has the authority, and it is not 16th century schismatics, regardless of how much you ignore the truth. Chew on truth for a while.
I have a video coming soon that deals with the ideas you mentioned. Stay tuned!
They are not used by the newer Protestant movements but more historical protestant traditions such as the Lutherans and Anglicans use it in their liturgies...although many members of those churches probably have Bibles without the apocrypha due to how few apocrypha Bibles are on the market.
Thank you for watching and engaging! You are so right. Although it depends on whether or not those memebers use the Bibles published by the Church or not. If so, Concordia publishes with the Apocrypha.
Great video! Heard you loud and clear
Yay! Thank you! I appreciate you. Be sure to stay connected.
@@gclmedia Will do
They removed it because they did want black people to figure out they are god’s children! Also that the Bible is the true history of the 12 tribes
It had absolutely nothing to do with black, white, or any other skin color. Luther was a heathen who decided to build his own kingdom. Because the Bible disagreed with some of his own beliefs, he simply removed those books.
Keep crying aloud!!! Good job brother!!
Thank you for your kindness and words of encouragement! I appreciate you!
Fun fact - you can get almost every protestant Bible also with the apocrypha. And there are even catholic Bibles that don't include them. I have one of those in my collection. It carries the normal Imprimatur and all. So it was approved by the Roman catholic church.
Thats interesting!!! A Catholic Bible by definition includes the deuterocanonical books, and finding one without them would be atypical and not representative of the Catholic tradition. Where did you find it? I’m interested to know who the publisher is and what edition this might be. Share...🤔👀
Although as a Catholic I disagree with your arguments in general, I appreciate your balanced approach to this video.
Blessings and thank you. I appreciate your kindness. If you are willing, talk to me. I am a student at heart. What do you disagree with? I’m open to learn! 🤗
THANK YOU FINALLY THE EXPLANATION I WAS LOOKING FOR
Well, thank you so much! You’ve made my day! 🤗 Be sure to check out my other videos on the Apocrypha…the insights get deeper and greater.
The Lost Books:
ruclips.net/user/shortso0m_qTPGKZc?si=N-fO6xY4X79xypHc
Martin Luther’s Apocrypha
ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=qbw74vT5OQ62_0W8
Who REMOVED the Apocrypha
ruclips.net/user/shortso-JyExR1fxQ?si=qI0C_4jcKwcF2UGm
Disputed Books
ruclips.net/user/shorts2D16wlzmbSc?si=7ZSi5zECSGOyYkoS
No disrespect to the content provider, but on a broader level, the truth may not always be what we are "looking for". Seek first the Kingdom of God and not just your own truth.
There is a rule which is there must be two or more witnesses to interpretation of the Bible. If the Apocrypha does not meet the test, then it cannot be "inspired" and included as Holy Scripture.
I love the apocrypha book
What also surprises me is that of men, without sin, DECIDED what holy texts should be “allowed” and which ones shouldn’t. These are the Lords writing-who gave you authority to omit anything?
It was never recognized as apart of the scriptures by the apostles, that's why it's not apart of the real churches bible
They took it out for a reason because it reveals who the true children of Yi'sreal is. And who the wicked truly are, some of these so called church. Misleading millions upkn million. So people who rather listen to a pastor then open the book for themselves
ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=zsR-EW2126Wk8tOL
Based Protestant.
Bible > Church
I like your calm cheerful demeanor. Makes such a divisive topic fun to learn about 😅
What are the scriptures does the new testament allude / or refer to to that are in the apocrypha?
Excellent question. On each Monday I will be doing what I’m calling Apocryphal Mondays. I will be delving into your question every week. But here is a video that I am sure will pique your interest. ruclips.net/video/tE7fPPIOMRg/видео.htmlsi=Qe9-GEqx9q_18Vai
1. No one has the right to add or subtract books from the Bible.
2. Nowhere in the New Testament is there a direct quotation from the canonical books of Joshua, Judges, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Nahum; and the New Testament allusions to them are few in number.
3. Some of the deuterocanonical books are referenced in a way that shows the New Testament authors considered them to be inspired records of biblical events. For example, Hebrews 11:35 describes people in the Old Testament who “were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life.” These people are only described in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. Since the context of Hebrews 11 includes “the men of old [who] received divine approval” (v. 2), this means the books describing the Maccabean martyrs were part of the Old Testament that was used by the author of the Letter to the Hebrews.
4. The idea that the early Church viewed the deuterocanonical books as Scripture is even more evident in the writings of early Church fathers like Clement of Rome, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Methodius, Cyprian, and Origen. Moreover, these fathers cited these books as “Scripture” or “holy Scripture,”
John 10:22 references the holiday of Hanukkah. Read 1 Maccabees 4.
Hebrews 11:35 references the Maccabean martyrs. Read 2 Maccabees 6 & 7.
Hebrews 13:2 references the angel Raphael in the book of Tobit.
Daniel 8 & 11 prophesy about Alexander defeating the Persians and his kingdom split in 4 parts, which was fulfilled in 1 Maccabees 1.
Go read the apocrypha for yourself . Also read the book of Enoch 👀
I can give you a list of verses. They are quoted/referenced in all 27 books of the New Testament
Beautifully done 🙏🏾
Thank you 🙌
What is the name of your church bro?
DOUBLE Bible Learning Center
A much better guide on this topic is with Gary Michuta on his yt channel the Apocrypha Apocalypse. He goes through a detailed explanation how the non-catholics removed these inspired books from their bibles in stages. He also shows how Jeromes early doubts were transformed and how the Dead Sea Scrolls actually show Jeromes doubts were unfounded and the Pope was right to insist the deutero-canons were indeed inspired.
Its really sad that they have been missed out of The Bible, when reading them, one finds out revelation the church needs. I did not know about the Ethianopean Bible either, till The Hevenly family directed me to lisen to specific books. But staying away from the ghostic books is very wise, as these are enemy books, copies of, to misdirect followers of Jesus. The ghostics are for want of a description are like the pharasees and we know what Jesus said about them.. Bless you.
Good information but background music is so louder.
Thank you! I appreciate your honesty! You will be glad to know that I no longer use background music.
No one should be able to decide for you. Search your heart. If the Bible is vague maybe the Apocrypha will be of great assistance. It sure was to me. ❤Test everything. Nothing in the Bible is vague. May the Holy spirit guide us all on this journey of discovery and may it be to the glory of the Most Hight. ❤
As a Catholic, I actually appreciate how basic the information was here. Anyone who listens to this will have a decent understanding of the reasons they were removed in later editions of the KJB
John 1:1,3 vs wisdom of solomon 9:1
Well said loved the way you plant this seed ❤
I'm very familiar and have read the Gospel of Thonas. While mostly sayings of Jesus common in the Gospels, there are some strange things and clearly talks about knowledge/Wisdom as important rather than the spirit of Jesus. I think the apocrypha are interesting to illustrate how variable early Christian (and Greek) thought was but I can completely understand why they were removed. Ot certainly doesn't fit Paul's Jesus. But also, we should recognise that Paul also doesn't mention any miracles of Jesus. Also we should recognise that revelations was considered to be a part of the apocrypha early on (and personally I believe ot should be removed).
Paul quoted greek philosophers and it doesnt make any question if they should be in the canon.
I got the Bible with the other books from my Pastor Jennings store and originally the Bible is called the Holy Scriptures Samuel:218 talks about the book of Jasher
Good day brother do you know what does it mean of Apocrypha? Incase you do not know its Hidden away! Not only Apocrypha they removed alot of scriptures but anyway as what the scripture say in Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered,that shall not be revealed;neither hid,that shall not be known.Abbah bless you brother...
The Apocrypha should most definitely be involved in the bible. 1000%
Indeed!
Heretic
He didn't answer why it was removed he only explained that it was removed
Blessings! Thank you for watching and engaging! Here is a more exhaustive teaching on the removal of the Apocrypha ruclips.net/video/XrlNpdlZYJI/видео.htmlsi=W4AsuaDe5EeDwzYv
As another story goes, the Geneva Bible of 1560, was the bible before KJV came out with his, also had the Apocrypha & the Protestants was not happy with KJV creating his own Bible, they made it to where the Geneva Bible was against the law to have so Protestants fled to here for religious freedom. Really hard to not question why these things happen. Extremely suspect. I believe people are further away from the true teachings of God & since they plan for another religious reset (not the first), pretty sure it'll take people even further, until they realize to go within. God existed way before books!!
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Acts 23:3
Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?
Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
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kenapa tidak?
The Ethiopian Bible is the oldest original Bible that was written and still to this day holds the apocrypha within it unchanged by man taking away from Gods word 🫠
Reinventing Christianity since 1517
or bringing Christianity back on course after being lost in the wilderness by corrupt Middle Ages leadership devoted to gaining power and wealth.
Actually, there are some things that need to be stated:
1. There only 7 deuterocanonical books (what he calls apocryphal) in the Catholic Bible. I’m not sure where he is getting 14.
2. Protestants removed these books from their inspired canon during The Reformation. Church councils in the late 4th Century and 15th Century list these books as inspired. These books, however, clearly articulate Catholic (and historic Christian) beliefs that Protestants disagree with, so Luther removed them.
3. Early Protestant Bibles still continued to include these books but in a different section. Many of these books stopped being included over time due to Bible-printing costs.
Thank you for your engagement! I appreciate you taking the time to engage with this content and your input. May I offer some insights into the points you've raised?
1. The term "Deuterocanonical" identifies a subset of books within the broader Apocrypha. The seven books you are referring to -Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and First and Second Maccabees-are consistently recognized as Deuterocanonical. It's important to take note that the designation "Deuterocanonical" is used within certain traditions, particularly in Catholic and Eastern Orthodox contexts. The total count of books in the Apocrypha can vary based on which texts are included or excluded, but “ALL” the books commonly referred to as Apocrypha are part of the Deuterocanonical books. This term highlights their recognition as canonical by some traditions while not universally accepted by others.
2. While it's true that Martin Luther had concerns about certain books in the Apocrypha, the statement oversimplifies the historical context. Luther “DID NOT” remove these books from the canon; instead, he relocated them within the Bible, between the Old and New Testaments, emphasizing a distinction in authority. The process of defining the canon was not uniform across church history, and various Christian traditions held different views on the status of these books. The late 4th Century councils, such as the Councils of Hippo and Carthage, did discuss canonical lists, but there wasn't a universal consensus among all Christian communities. Additionally, the 15th Century reference likely pertains to the Council of Florence, which sought to address church unity but did not establish a binding canon. The assertion that Luther removed these books due to disagreements with Catholic beliefs oversimplifies the historical and theological factors involved. Luther's concerns were nuanced and related to specific doctrines, not a wholesale rejection. Check out my video titled Luther’s Apocrypha ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=0yZEQ8MPISQMos7_
3. You are correct! Early Protestant Bibles continued to include these books, albeit “often” placed in a separate section (most commonly between the Old and New Testaments). However, over time, many of these books gradually ceased to be included, a shift attributed in part to decisions made by “The Publishers and Printers”. Check out my YT Short ruclips.net/user/shortso-JyExR1fxQ?si=zVRgSa98-y9rwz6o
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Good morning Ike. You said; "I’m not sure where he is getting 14"
That is a good question. The 7 whole books of the Apocrypha are *Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and I Maccabees and II Maccabees.*
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The other 7 books of the Apocrypha are actually *extensions* or additions to other books of the Old Testament
~ *I Esdras* [Additions to the book of Ezra]
~ *II Esdras* [Additions to the book of Nehemiah]
~ *The Rest of Esther* [107 verses added to Esther]
~ *The Song of the Three Children* [Addition to the book of Daniel]
~ *The Stories Susanna* [Addition to the book of Daniel]
~ *Bell and Dragon* Daniel [Addition to the book of Daniel]
~ *The Prayer of Manasseh* [Addition to he book of II Chronicles]
"deuterocanonical books (what he calls apocryphal)"
I hope you don't mind if I make couple more clarifications. These books were called Apocrypha by Jerome as a section in his Latin Vulgate. Where he segregated the Apocryphal books from the rest of the Canon of Scripture.
All early church fathers referred to these books as *Apocryphal*
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There has always been and there always will be questions as to the canonicity and inspiration of these books. Dating all the way back to Origen, Jerome, Clement, Athanasius, Ruffinus, Hilary, Gregory of Nazianzus, Melito, and Cyril of Jerusalem all had strong opinions as to the inspiration and canonicity of the Apocrypha.
Early church fathers considered these books as ecclesiastical, enlightening, to be read and taught. But there has always been a distinction between these books and the inspired canon of scripture.
"Protestants removed these books from their inspired canon during The Reformation" "Early Protestant Bibles still continued to include these books but in a different section"
These books were never listed as part of the inspired canon. These books have always been separated from the canon of scripture (Until the English Douay-Rheims)
Jerome separated these books from the inspired canon with a heading called *Apocrypha* in the Latin Vulgate. Jerome also wrote a clear disclaimer that these books, though enlightening, and should be read, were not part of the inspired canon of scripture.
"Many of these books stopped being included over time due to Bible-printing costs."
That is correct. All English Bibles, even into the Reformation, contained the Apocrypha. Often following Jerome's pattern of separating them from inspired canon and writing a clear disclaimer as to their canonicity.
The Apocrypha remained in the KJV, by law and copyright, until 1884. As you stated, it was removed for cost. And also to reduce the 17"x12"x5" 1600 page size of the KJV.
I have my heart set on purchasing the Ethiopian Bible. 🥰
If it the new testament quoted from it, then what more proof do you want? Did the Holy Spirit have a hand in the writing of those books? Does any of those books go against what is viewed as truly inspired books? If there is no contradiction or heresies, then why go after it?
Thank you for the video
The “HOUSE OF WISDOM”on RUclips tells us why they took it out exclusivly!!!!!
Thank you for watching and engaging. I went to the channel but I did not see any videos on the Apocrypha 🤷🏿♂️
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@@gclmediano it’s ass
This is why I don’t understand the Protestant church anymore because I can’t believe King James had us only reading 66 books 😭
I was shocked when I converted to Catholicism and they had 72 then I was introduced to the Orthodox Bible ❤️
"King James had us only reading 66 books"
The King James Bible contained the Apocrypha until 1884
There’s a reason why the KJV is used by Catholics…Look up the history and King James and his proclivities. The KJV was a state sanctioned bible by the states sanctioned Anglican Church that is basically England version of the Catholic Church. The Bible of the reformers and the Bible the founders of America used was the Geneva. The Geneva was truly the Bible of the reformers and true Protestants of those eras. The Geneva was the common mans study bible which king James did not like..much like the Roman church felt about Tyndale and Wycliffe and Luther.
Thank you for your engagement, and I appreciate your interest. However, it's important to address some inaccuracies in your comment. The King James Version (KJV) was commissioned by King James I for the Church of England, not as a state-sanctioned Bible for Catholics. The Geneva Bible, while popular among Protestants, had its controversies. The KJV aimed to be acceptable to both High Church Anglicans and Puritans.
While the Geneva Bible was favored by some reformers, the KJV was commissioned to be a more inclusive and widely accepted translation within the English-speaking world.
Lastly, the authorized Catholic translation has been the Douay-Rheims Bible since its publication between 1582 and 1610. This translation was a response to the Protestant Reformation and the popularity of the Geneva Bible (1560).
What bible would include the apocrypha, both testaments, and not be king james version
ESV makes a Bible like that.
Thank u paster i believe those books the apocryha all scripture is given by God amen ❤
They contain some very intriguing insights. I love making those connections that can only be found in the Apocrypha.
If you are talking about the NT apocryphal books I don’t think they were ever put in widely. Most of the books were excepted for years by tradition and when the NT was formally compiled those were the books that were accepted. Books like revelation had the most trouble getting into the official NT cannon.
Well, he's not talking about New Testament apocrypha.
Interesting. Thanks so much for your video. I wonder if there is an NKJV with Apocrypha or if the Apocrypha would have to be purchased separately.
Blessings! And thank you. I have not encountered an NKJV version of the Apocrypha. I have it separately. Here is a link to a few resources including the Apocrypha amzn.to/3PVb8yz
Check out the orthodox study Bible
Old Testament newly translated from the Greek text of the Septuagint, including the Deuterocanon
New Testament from the New King James Version
KJV 1611 Editions which is the 1st editions of the year 1611, never been revised by Protestants, will have them between the O.T. and the N.T. ..... You can still buy that edition .... usually in a Large White Beautiful Hard copy Book ...
NKJV"s will not have them
Because it gave information that the leaders of the religious world didnt want the masses to have access too. You controll a people lore or history and you control their minds.
Thank you! And if god is within, there is no need for a preacher,priest, rabbi,etc.
I found out about this from the anime evangelion when they brought up the dead sea scrolls. I was called names and also a conspiracy theorist.
Blessings and thank you for watching and engaging. Can I remind you of something? “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15, KJV)
I want you to catch that key phrase... not be ashamed!!!
Let's start off by asking who is King James? Was he a holy man?? Was he a ruthless king?? Why would this King be allowed to take out books from the bible?? I'm confused because I'm a Mayan from central America and my ancestors history was destroyed by European invaders which then re-wrote history and religion in their favor. Just saying
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! You have brought up some really important questions, especially given the history you're coming from. Let’s break it down a bit.
King James I ruled England from 1603 to 1625. But he wasn’t involved in translating the Bible himself, he did authorize a new translation that we now know as the King James Version (KJV). Check out this video ruclips.net/video/5huF3cRCyuE/видео.htmlsi=CFNYFKHvRBOS4OHe. His main goal was to unify his kingdom, which was divided by different Christian beliefs. The translation was done by a group of scholars, not by King James personally, and it wasn’t about him deciding which books should be in or out. That process had already been settled by church councils centuries before he came along.
As for the books that were “taken out,” the KJV originally included the Apocrypha. Although they were placed in a separate section in the original 1611 KJV, which originated in Luther's Bible. Over time, some Protestant groups decided not to include the Apocrypha in their Bibles, but that decision was not made by King James, and they were not removed until 1885.
Your point about the rewriting of history by European invaders is incredibly valid. Colonization led to the loss and distortion of so many indigenous cultures, including Mayan history. Unfortunately, the spread of Christianity was sometimes part of this process, and it’s understandable to feel conflicted or even upset about how religion was used during that time. It is crucial that we continue to recognize and remember the harm that was done and to understand how it has shaped our world today.
I really appreciate you bringing this up. These are tough but necessary conversations to have as we try to understand history and its impact on different cultures, including our own.
Luther was a book burner he wanted to remove Revelation, hebrews, jude and james also. I haven't found anything evil in the deuterocanonical books. They are inspired in my beliefs. Another influencer on youtube has reasons he believes that show they are not inspired but we have answers for his doubts.
If we could go back just a little over 130 years ago we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
Check this out when you get a chance ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=Q4o5S2aXSU-wQHL6
Luther should be regarded as one of the great villains against the Christian faith
Thank you!
Luther and his followers were apparently prophets that they could just remove bible books like that
Blessings and thank you for engaging. Check out this video if you have an opportunity. ruclips.net/video/ZzIsyuSXccY/видео.htmlsi=PQ6YDAm0sLgHM9Ni
I just started reading the apocrypha and the book of sirach reminds me of proverbs it has some really good scripture I can relate to I mean the book is full of wisdom and I can’t understand why would they remove this great book better yet how do man decide what is wrong to be in the bible who gave them that authority I pray for them boy they are going pay the price for removing things in bible
You did not say why these book were removed or why they are considered uninspired by God, you just told us they removed them.
Although, I do believe that I did. Forgive me! Please accept my apology. Here is the reason why 👉🏾 ruclips.net/video/o-JyExR1fxQ/видео.htmlsi=C4oHjtg7RjQumy0o
Good morning souououo. You said; "You did not say why these book were removed"
The primary reason any major publication of the Bible removed the Apocrypha was not for any ecclesiastical reason. It was simply a matter of economics.
The King James Bible was a 17"x 13" x 5" thick. It was 1600 page a lectern Bible which weighed 30 pounds and was chained to the pulpit.
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It included the apocrypha, The Book of Common Prayers, and many pages of calendars, bible reading and prayer schedules, genealogies of the patriarchs, kings, holy days, veneration of the saints, maps, etc.
When Congress gave Robert Aitken the copyright to print the 1611 King James Bible in the US, he took everything out of the KJV except the 66 books. This made the Bible affordable and the size it is now.
"why they are considered uninspired by God"
A distinction must be made between why they were removed (which I stated in my last comment. And why they were not considered inspired.
Here is the quick reason they are NOT considered inspired:
~There was a 400 year silence when God ceased to speak to His people, Israel, and the New Testament.
~If God was not speaking to Israel, He was not inspiring his people to write more scripture, after the book of Malachi
~None of the characters in the Apocryphal books claimed to be prophets, who would have written scripture
~The Characters in the Apocryphal books recount their prayers to God. *But none ever claim that God, the Holy Spirit, or angels spoke back to them*
This is the essence of inspiration. And what is lacking in the Apocryphal books
When Ezra complied the Canon, the apocrypha were not written.
They came later.....What we call the Old testament was complied by Ezra in Babylon.
Matthew 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Abel was the first person to be killed, and Zechariah was the last prophet to be killed..... Righteous Abel... Genesis to Zechariah. Scripture..... Which was what Jesus and the apostles read from.
It was what was complied by Ezra that are called scriptures.
The apocrypha are just later books and writings.
Yes it should be included. We have it in the Catholic Bible
God had them in the Bible for a reason.Who are we to decide to remove them?They will have to answer to God on judgment day.
The Apocrypha was not part of the Bible. It was added by the Papacy to support the fiction of purgatory which is denied in Luke 16:19-31. Josephus does not recognize the these works nor did the Jews at Ja,mnia in 90 AD,. The church at Nicaea in 325 AD did not list these works as part of the Bible. .
You are correct in saying “The church at Nicaea in 325 AD did not list these works as part of the Bible.” It wasnt for another 65 years later when the church, guided by the Holy Spirit did this task and surprisingly the 27 books of the NT and the 46 books of the OT were canonized at the same time. 👍🏻 So…
You are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today based on the Bible, just pick one. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books, and ONLY the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Peace!!!
Titus 1:14 NET
and not pay attention to Jewish myths,...
The bible is a mirror not magnifying glasses
The Jewish myth is the idea that these books ought to be taken out.
@@NathanH83 duhhh
Church of Scotland 1829. It wasn’t supposed to be removed.
The enemy removed them and the only one that’s dodgy is the gospel of Thomas. It was taken out by the enemy, Rome. Modern Christian’s are so knee deep in heresy they might as well be pagans
Do you mean the Roman Catholic Church? The church that can trace its history all the way back to the apostles? The church who still teaches today the same thing that the apostles pot back then? The same church who codified the Bible and kept it around for 2000 years so that we could have it today? the church to mission and teaching this always to help us to know and trust the Lord more deeply every day?
The gospel of Thomas (a Gnostic work) was never part of any Christian canon.
The gospel of Thomas (a Gnostic work) was never part of any Christian canon.
The Catholic church added them in the conceil of Trent... Protestants removed them once again.
@@PatrickSteilEsaú took the books out the very people god hates took the book out it didn’t fit their doctrine which is why they took it out for example 2nd edras 56
Summary the other nation means absolutely nothing to god only Israel but that wouldn’t fit their teaching that everyone can and will be saved which is a false teaching so the enemy took it out so therefore you need to read the apocryphal books if you want the truth again they are enemies in the Bible so ofc they took it out
There are explicit prophesies of Jesus in the deuterocanon.
Indeed!