great video, been wanting to make something similar myself but i've been too lazy. the ranger trap problem is kinda crazy because the only people defending ranger traps are low skill players that actually say that the people dying to the traps are the unskilled ones 🤣 the gaslighting is real
@@DwyaneTech failure to notice a small trap on the floor (that can be easily hidden inside rubble/bushes/bodies/loot) shouldn't result in an instant kill. traps in this game literally function as an actual military grade landmine. if you step in one you are dead instantly.
@@Repoze youre a rogue, run traps/locks (my biggest counter). But in all seriousness Ive killed people in very visible traps that are in the light because theyre too busy buffing and w key sending trying to get the jump on someone. The ruins grass and pebbles are op with traps but on other maps its really just take a torch out or lantern. Traps shouldnt be able to be placed inside of bodies/loot for sure tho
@@DwyaneTech ranger traps should definitely have a big downside when you step into one. maybe a huge ms slow or big damage. but it shouldn't be a guaranteed instant kill, that's all i'm arguing
"Oh? In a game called dark and darker that half the ground isn't visible and not having your weapon out means insta death from ambush... you didn't see the 1 foot long gray small thing on the ground that can be hidden by 1000 things? You misplayed and I deserve the win."
Traps are visible if you look at them directly and are close enough, I look down near doors and chokepoints and haven't had so many problems with traps. It just feels so bad when you get trapped since you feel so stupid, so people look at them so negatively.
@@SyperDT they just give up, whats the point fighting back when bro has a 100 meter spear reaching you from across the map not letting you disarm the trap. its gg
@@SyperDTwhat is he supposed to do? Its not like you can both block and undo the trap, or realistically block every attack for 18 seconds id give up too there's literally nothing you can do in that situation
I've been playing for around 100 hours, doing my thing, learning pve, dying to everyone in pvp. Booted up ranger, got 2 kills with squire traps first game, 3 kills the next game - only because i found a trap on the map. Continued to just abuse traps, pretty much died only when stepping on my own traps.
@@redramone6488 yeah, why you need lear aim or you class better just put 20 traps in the game and enjoy the free kills literally is just more easy that
Honestly the traps should just suck in a player instantly from anywhere in the map instead of them having to physically walk over them, and if the trap timer runs out the player should die because maybe I don't wanna have to even pay attention to the traps but still want the kill and like I'm playing ranger so why should I even have to do any effort to get kills, I pressed like a button or two already, please give me free kills. That's pretty much how it feels to play ranger with traps if you have a small idea of what the hotspots are in the map.
This is unironically the best take I have ever read, one issue is that the traps should instakill, bc the exertion of clicking with a spear is probably too much cardio for a ranger player.
Yeah or even better, make it so you can take the trap back after a kill so you dont have to bring 12 traps, only 1 or 2 stacks of traps should be enogh to clear a lobby😅
Traps are overpowered + extremely frustrating to play against. They should either nerf the shit out of them, or rework them. And to compensate, they should buff other parts of the class(base stats, abilities, perks, etc) anyone who says traps are not strong or don't need a nerf, plays ranger 24/7
I think it'd make more sense for traps to reduce movespeed by 15-30% for 3-5s depending on the rarity just to give rangers more ground, not to give them a win.
then it be horrible ranger dosent work like that ur just a bad bard without traps plus if you wanna avoid traps just run away they wont chase you most of the times
@@aloneguy8527 How does ranger suck, name the flaws that ranger has, here are by the way the benefits ranger has: 1. Incredible movement speed 2. Incredible interaction speed 3. High damage output from any range 4. Skills and perks that can significantly hamper other classes such as knockback, strong movement speed loss on hit etc 5. Immunity to invisibility thanks to tracker perk 6. Reload speed as well as shooting speed is very fast 7. A skill that can create a lot of distance if in melee range that isnt affected by movement loss effects So by all means, please, what are the things that makes ranger "suck"? What are these so called terrible sides of ranger that players dont even consider as "Balancing" due to how impactful they are? Enlighten me.
@@sawritall4292 The only reason why ranger is "bad" is because the playerbase is bad. People are just not good enough to play the class and if they buff it then actual good players will stomp. Ranger can slow you at far ranges < add that to the list. You mentioned a skill to distance which is true. imo spear backstep is one of the most op things. Like I side the playerbase is too dogshit to to take advantage of rangers skill set and would be dominating if this game had the pop and "esports" community playing it.
it's wild how many little grass patches and missplaced stones on the ground of bridge can completely cover up a placed trap. So now we have to memorize which pebbles the traps are invisible on
Hunter trap - can use and place as many as your inventory allows you to carry, is a 3 second root in a game that essentially has no hard cc Rogue Caltrops - Can only have 3 for the entire dungeon, cant be replenished, a 2 second slow that also disappears from the ground after a set period of time SDF: "Perfectly balanced as all things should be"
They nerf landmine rogue to move the player base off the class because it’s “anti-fun” and overpowered. I agreed with both of those statements, and fully accepted that rogue balance needed to be fixed a year back. If balancing follows the same principle, that anti-fun mechanics need to be tuned down, the fact that this still exists in the game and is considered balanced blows my mind. It is essentially a landmine rogue but instead of having a fighting chance of surviving, you’re basically guaranteed dead if the ranger has more than 2 brain cells. Thank you for making this video.
6:25 definitely buffed! I recently stepped in one and barely survived, because the ranger was afk. I think once you are in the trap, there shouldnt be any way out till you die
traps in a pvp skill based game, invisibility in a pvp skill based game, druid spamming transformation making him unkillable and unchaseable in a pvp SKILL BASED GAME
Traps and incorporeal effects are some of the worst things in this game and should 100% be removed for long term game health. there are hundreds of areas where you can make traps invisible from the approaching players POV.
They could change traps to be a un-refillable skill (like smoke pots), that way 1. it requires the ranger to give up a skill, 2. has a low count (2-3 maybe), 3. can't be refilled with campfires etc. Also the blue trap is just ridiculous, traps should be like 5-7 seconds at most on players.
It should be a skill, idk why caltrops and smoke pots arent items but its probably for the best otherwise we would have rogues with a full inventory of smoke pots probably causing lag machines, hunting traps need to be changed asap, such a toxic item exclusive to a single class that basically gives them a free win
As a ranger main, I agree that this is probably the best way of handling traps outside of straight up removing them. That way I don't have to feel like I'm missing out by ignoring them and duelling barbs with spear and backstep instead
even if you look down half the time you dont see it. Its like the rogue landmine issue all over again. You either play the game cancerously like looking at the ground 24/7 for any traps or you die like the rogue landmine times when you had to wait by a door for a minute before knowing its safe and even then you sometimes got landmined
If they made traps disarm themselves after a period of time to prevent people just camping their minefield they’ve elaborately put together then I think this would help with this issue.
Ok hear me out, I'm not even playing ranger, but if you delete traps, what's the point of ranger since Fighter hit harder with bow than him + can stack pdr + is better in close combat. Bard can have a surv bow too. Idk man
As a ranger main, I personally think traps are horrible for the health of the game. With that said, they are also currently the ONLY way to kill evenly geared fighters and barbs in certain maps. Between the instant direction shifts from A/D spam, shields, sprint and self heal for fighter, the fight isnt even close for ranger / fighter 1v1. I cant count how many times Ive hit a fighter like 5~6x before they are even near me and I still get 1~2 shot. The only solution within the context of the game, is to remove traps, but also nerf the classes that can just face tank a ton of damage. Or learn to live with the traps as a necessary evil to level the playing field against high PDR/High HP/shields/instant heals and invincibility abilities. Inb4 the gitgud comments, most maps dont have super long sight lines with no cover. So even if you manage to hit one of these guys a few times, in order to finish the fight you have to get close to them. because they can infinitely play around cover to full heal. As a ranger, you either have to hope they walk into your trap, or theres actually a good chance you don't win that fight at all, either because they leave, or you died closing the gap which gives them a chance to hit you once. Most of the time, it comes down to... you have to play the match up perfectly, hitting every shot and kiting perfectly or you just die within 1~2 hits.
Couldnt agree more as a ranger main ranger so weak right now pdr shyt meta hit a fighter last night 5 time longbow spear try to close the gap get 2 tap whit is heal he was still almost full hp
to me it feels like every class has a major problem with pvp in most scenarios, the game just seems way too gear dependent and meanwhile at sub 25 bracket its literally all about movespeed lol
To be fair as a ranger you should be play8ng the boring meta of just building movespped and perma kiting the fighter. Also using longbow in solos is kinda of a throw I am assuming you're playing on gc in which case you should use survivor bow with push back they're never touch you. From one ranger to another
@@sikeibutler7027 While you are mostly correct, kiting a fighter or barb requires you to actually have space to kite which isnt always possible. And even with that said, once they take cover from some damage you still have to be semi near them (on most maps) to try to secure the kill before they full heal which puts you at risk of dying. So you have to decide then as ranger, do you push that corner and hope that you can land a finishing blow before they hit you twice. And depending on their gear sometimes your damage simply isnt enough, I've died enough times to this. Your second choice is to try to leave. Unless they change the way that bows interact with PDR, traps will continue to be necessity against it. The only other alternative is a very expensive kit with a ton of true phys + surv bow. But an expensive kit shouldn't be a requirement to be able to play the game.
That's not the only solution. You arent creative enough. Magic arrows or magic bows would allow you to deal with PDR too. Native spear would help a bit, having throwables for even better mid range would help even more, abilities that grant armor pen would help a lot. There's probably a dozen ways ranger could be better against fighter. At least we agree that traps fucking blow
traps are insanely overpowered for being just a simple utility slot item that also stacks upto 2 per slot for some reason, while rogue has caltrops that are infinitely worse as a limited use ABILITY SLOT item
I play druid most of the time and still don't get pvp kills that often. I decided this season I'd try ranger again after over a year away from the class. My first game i got a kill and it only went up from there. Traps need a change, i believe making the damage one hit and the release a single button tap would massively help
I main ranger ever since playtests & even as a low skill player I don't normally use traps because I'll forget where I put them if I move around.. but when the royal coffers get low, trap rat is a play that works for now😂😂 love the videos man
Honestly, I love being a silly shitter with traps but like lord the fact that it limits targets to a set radius is RIDICULOUS man. Like seriously if it was even just a case of kinda applying "Achilles strike" to a target for a few seconds I imagine that alone would make it so much less annoying and absurd.
A few suggestions: Move traps onto an ability (like caltrops) so the ranger can only place 2 Make traps shimmer/glow Reduce trap timer to a max of 4 seconds REMOVE SKILL CHECKS ON DISARM A combination of a few of these nerfs will allow traps to stay in the game without ruining it
@@xenird Thats still a spit on the face considering the traps last 18 seconds and 99% of the time the ranger is right there to get free shots on you, if not straight up kill you due to how much damage they do.
I dont even care if traps are good or not. Theyre annoying. Theyre a net negative for the game experience. Ranger is just playing a different game from most of the cast for as long as traps are in the game. Its like if you lose the minigame where you fail to pick out the dimly lit grey brown pixels from the dimly lit grey pixels or the dimly lit orange brown pixels or the dimly lit green brown pixels, you instantly get hit by achilles heel 3 times in a row, and the other guy didnt have to aim or out his weapon away. Its all the same reason i hate druid. Dont care if its strong. Its a net negative experience. Theyre playing an overwatch chatacter in valorant, and the counterplay is make a perfect timing predict and snipe a little mouse, or hit them with very specific spells. Honestly, if traps were just like, single placeable achilles heel, they might be fine. Idc if thats a nerf to ranger, but if its really a problem, let them throw shit or have spear natively or add magic arrows as compensation. Anyway, i havent played the game for like a month now. Game is just stale, mechanics are boring, and shit like this makes it even less worth it. Man, IM is seriously squandering what a good concept they had.
Been playing ranger since season 1 and I wouldn't mind a trap nerf/removal but Ranger would have to be significantly buffed in order to compensate. The problem with people who complain about traps is that they just complain about traps without discussing what would ranger get to compensate. Traps in themself are mostly used by newer/moderate skilled rangers. Top tier rangers either dont use traps or rarely use traps. The problem with their removal for even top tier rangers who don't use traps is that it takes the fear away of maybe there's a trap, which is an integral part of ranger kiting and spacing. I don't take traps in to most matches but i often bait/play as though I have a trap in an area just to make people afraid to walk forward. Without that fear, a ranger is just a naked fighter with no sprint.
Eh I mean I kinda agree with you but they are clearly working towards something. Giving fighter -10% physical damage bonus with a bow makes them a fairly shitty ranger now. Although a pdr sprint fighter with a heater is at a slight advantage now with the forceful shot changes, they won’t need a significant buff to ranger to make up for the loss of traps. Like you say, a skilled ranger doesn’t really need to utilize traps to be extremely effective, their skills are powerful and when used correctly they can have some of the fastest ttk in the game, especially against squishier classes.
I mean they could just do the sensible thing and have it so that traps snare you, but dont plant you in place. It serves its purpose for kiting/getting a damage lead but doesn't guarantee the kill. But then again, we're talking about I-want-faster-TTK SDF. I suppose nothing is faster than instant death, huh.
Yeah bro, in the game where druids teleport at you and oneshot, 5 fighters with 165 hp and 60% PDR, barbarians with 250 HP and warlocks with 330 MS killing whole lobby with 3 spells, ranger with 15 traps who sitting in single location whole game is defenetly biggest problem
If they don’t remove them entirely (I’d be completely fine with them gone tbh) they could rework them to just be a damage tool. Could be a tiny bit of instant damage for you to follow up with ranged shots. I can definitely see them trying to add a move speed penalty after stepping in one, which could still be very annoying but at least you could attempt to move during it. 12 seconds is eternity in DaD, I can’t believe they’ve gone this long without a duration nerf, it’s absurd.
Idk why they ever fucking reverted the duration of the bear traps. Makes no sense. My favorite is how you can't even see them so much of the time even if you look down with a torch out, which is a wild way to be playing when you want to look at the players around you and be ready for them. Bonus: They nerf things like slow and keep druid mobile as possible.
Great question, the clear answer is buffed. JK, removing them however would just be unnecessary. A nerf could be okay, problem is ranger suffers seriously in several aspects, and would seriously need some changes somewhere in the kit. Either buffs to abilities or stats.. something. Or alternatively other classes need toned down.. bard/fighter are already almost better bow users than the ranger as is alongside so much other utility.
0:47 uhm no, its not "ranger community", you're being gaslighted NO MATTER WHAT. Thats the nature of "balancing conversations" with dark and darker. EVERY single problem that you can remember this game had since release, ALWAYS, there was ALWAYS certain amount of people who: rationalized, justified, gaslighted you, tried to fight those changes, throw tantrums at you, called you stupid, skill issue, YOU problem, alpha game, we're testers etc. so you just wouldn't dare speak about this. Tired of this. Just wish more people called them immature kids and stopped conversations with people like that. Lost all hope about game balancing "conversations" in Dark and Darker, cause theres always people like this, just spilling bile at you just because they feel entitled to something that shouldn't be in this game for the sake of this game. But no, someone enjoying get cheese free kills with trap so it automatically means you are "choose tantrum" and continue galshighting.
Amen. The immature kids run this clown show now. Can't have a fair and balanced conversation without someone throwing a tantrum, because by god they want to the best and win at all costs.
Just change it to a 20-30% movement slow and jingling sound effects that lasts for 10 seconds or until disarmed. As if the trap isn't anchored to the ground it just clamps onto your leg. Even that would be pretty damn strong compared to other CC in the game.
First great video. I think they should be left in game and not messed with until they find a way to buff ranger when using a bow. What's funny is I do this daily in solo gobs and it produces many pelts and good gear in HR. And as for people being upset at the traps. If you want them removed. Then we should remove anything that has a slowing down effect. Cause we all know if Achilles hits say hello the to lobby.
I like what another person said where they need to be reworked into more of an information gathering rather than guaranteed kill. Make em louder/global so the Ranger can hear them triggering, make it slow by 20% instead of 40%, no root, and only last 3 seconds. Then of course only allow 4 to be carried and only Ranger can pick them up
If they were to keep them, they could do so where you can only bring 1, and it lasts 3 or less seconds Or maybe that each one placed is very bright and can't be covered
They should be replaced with something like a door specific trip wire. Much more predictable but can still catch those who w key off guard. I was in dood and a ranger shot at us from the wall in center ruins. We go to push at health shrine door and its trapped but then his naked duo barb jumps out of the bushes with reckless attack lmao. I get that it's a playstyle but when paired with grass terrain you cant simply 'look down'
If I wanted to play this game again, I was going to ditch my preference to magic/spellswords and just go full ranger. It's so good with just traps alone, the kits just add a slap in the face before you die.
People who think ranger would be “weaker” without traps being as strong as they are rn are completely out themselves for not being able to hit their shots.
Idk I play a lot of both HR and below grey and I dont hit traps that often. I primarily play fighter. And I rather enjoy the concept. It requires prior setup, you have to successfully lead someone through the trap. Its audio queue is unique and loud as all hell when setting up. The only change i would personally make is that you should be able to disable a trap by hitting it prior to it trapping you.
what a creative vision for a "fantasy" game am I right! I could go in my backyard and put a trap down right now. There is nothing fantasy about that. There is something bullshit about it though.
DaD subreddit is one of the few places you can always assume the popular opinion will be wrong. They love ranger traps, they love teaming, they think squire lobbies should be the only ones to exist, they think there should be a PVE only mode. They would probably remove all classes except for fighter if they could.
Lol back when ruins first came out, my buddy and i would main ranger and sit in the middle room with about 15+ traps scattered thru the module to try and prove how broken ranger was. I collected over 100k before the end of that wipe off just kills. We’d sit in the corner by health shrine and just wait for our traps to go off and grab the loot delivery!
I've occasionally been complaining about this since the start of EA. The only reason it "hasn't been a problem" thus far is because simply said the playerbase wasn't using the traps. Which is weird considering Soapy has many vids displaying the traps' powers.
I agree that traps are OP I also agree that rangers without traps are extremely underwhelming when two other classes can do their job but infinitely better, can't we all agree that's true? Remove/nerf traps and buff rangers stats/damage/or abilities to compensate and it's win win!
I think the problem with traps is that they're designed for a 3v3 format. Rangers with traps in 3s still don't necessarily contribute as much as a cleric, bard, or wizard, so it's not that unbalanced and can create interesting play scenarios based around group support and taking advantage of the locked down player. In solos and duos traps just do too much.
I main ranger and don’t even like them personally, I’d be fine for a overall buff to rangers and the removal of traps or rather than locking in place they get changed to a 50% ms nerf for 10 seconds plus the initial 15 true damage. Maybe buff that initial true damage and remove the damage you take when moving.
Finally a content creator with the balls to talk about this. It’s a problem, it’s always been a problem, Ranger Traps are one of the worst game mechanics I have ever seen implemented in a multiplayer game. I’m convinced that a statistically significant number of players uninstalled and never came back directly following a trap death. Also W music, Kids See Ghosts is straight ⛽️
With having a large voice in the community I would implore you to recommend something to give rangers if their traps are taken. They need class identity still. I think traps are cringe but they're the only thing ranger really has as fighter and bard are just better rangers discounting traps. Also it would be really cool to see you explore other things that are overpowered and unhealthy for the game alongside the traps like bards and barbarians and rondel fighters.
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great video, been wanting to make something similar myself but i've been too lazy. the ranger trap problem is kinda crazy because the only people defending ranger traps are low skill players that actually say that the people dying to the traps are the unskilled ones 🤣 the gaslighting is real
just look down, dont W key so hard
@@DwyaneTech failure to notice a small trap on the floor (that can be easily hidden inside rubble/bushes/bodies/loot) shouldn't result in an instant kill. traps in this game literally function as an actual military grade landmine. if you step in one you are dead instantly.
@@Repoze youre a rogue, run traps/locks (my biggest counter). But in all seriousness Ive killed people in very visible traps that are in the light because theyre too busy buffing and w key sending trying to get the jump on someone. The ruins grass and pebbles are op with traps but on other maps its really just take a torch out or lantern. Traps shouldnt be able to be placed inside of bodies/loot for sure tho
@@DwyaneTech ranger traps should definitely have a big downside when you step into one. maybe a huge ms slow or big damage. but it shouldn't be a guaranteed instant kill, that's all i'm arguing
@@Repoze I agree, i think if they worked like caltrops itd be fine tbh, easier to land shots
Dude those traps at the red door from the intro are the most toxic shitn I’ve ever seen.
Just look down loool
he also just killed goldfish on a keyboard those guys were bots
@@gat0r132here comes the ranger
@@NotaClassMasterI mean like bro you can see them and he didn’t block
@@gat0r132bra stop
"Oh? In a game called dark and darker that half the ground isn't visible and not having your weapon out means insta death from ambush... you didn't see the 1 foot long gray small thing on the ground that can be hidden by 1000 things? You misplayed and I deserve the win."
Just look down
Traps are visible if you look at them directly and are close enough, I look down near doors and chokepoints and haven't had so many problems with traps.
It just feels so bad when you get trapped since you feel so stupid, so people look at them so negatively.
@@SyperDT ur just lying to urself, they need nerf bcs u can hide it in bodies and under clothes and shit
@@etiennebonnet5364 just look down
@@SyperDTbra stop being delusional and realize youve been getting carried by traps
5:23 That skeleton archer saw you camping the traps for free kills and decided he wanted to try, lol
Those clowns at Reddit got me thinking they play in a different universe
they do. they literally do. they play on the easier gearscores and give opinions on all parts of the game
Kinda fun watching the first kill where the fighter stands there with a shield and doesn't think to block until he's been stabbed 4 times.
@@SyperDT they just give up, whats the point fighting back when bro has a 100 meter spear reaching you from across the map not letting you disarm the trap. its gg
@@SyperDTwhat is he supposed to do? Its not like you can both block and undo the trap, or realistically block every attack for 18 seconds id give up too there's literally nothing you can do in that situation
I've been playing for around 100 hours, doing my thing, learning pve, dying to everyone in pvp. Booted up ranger, got 2 kills with squire traps first game, 3 kills the next game - only because i found a trap on the map. Continued to just abuse traps, pretty much died only when stepping on my own traps.
This is the way. Scorched Earth brother!
Ranger is so awful it actually brings me a deep catharsis to know i will never encounter these strats for as long as i never open the game again
The only correct way to "play" the game
@@redramone6488 a 12 second root is unheard of in literally any other game. Pretty f crazy they think that's acceptable game design
@@redramone6488 yeah, why you need lear aim or you class better just put 20 traps in the game and enjoy the free kills literally is just more easy that
Honestly the traps should just suck in a player instantly from anywhere in the map instead of them having to physically walk over them, and if the trap timer runs out the player should die because maybe I don't wanna have to even pay attention to the traps but still want the kill and like I'm playing ranger so why should I even have to do any effort to get kills, I pressed like a button or two already, please give me free kills.
That's pretty much how it feels to play ranger with traps if you have a small idea of what the hotspots are in the map.
This is unironically the best take I have ever read, one issue is that the traps should instakill, bc the exertion of clicking with a spear is probably too much cardio for a ranger player.
Yeah or even better, make it so you can take the trap back after a kill so you dont have to bring 12 traps, only 1 or 2 stacks of traps should be enogh to clear a lobby😅
ALRIGHT FINE. I’ll start playing ranger again…
Same
Traps are overpowered + extremely frustrating to play against.
They should either nerf the shit out of them, or rework them.
And to compensate, they should buff other parts of the class(base stats, abilities, perks, etc)
anyone who says traps are not strong or don't need a nerf, plays ranger 24/7
I think it'd make more sense for traps to reduce movespeed by 15-30% for 3-5s depending on the rarity just to give rangers more ground, not to give them a win.
then it be horrible ranger dosent work like that ur just a bad bard without traps plus if you wanna avoid traps just run away they wont chase you most of the times
First buff ranger so it doesn't suck, then yeah nerf traps
@@aloneguy8527 How does ranger suck, name the flaws that ranger has, here are by the way the benefits ranger has:
1. Incredible movement speed
2. Incredible interaction speed
3. High damage output from any range
4. Skills and perks that can significantly hamper other classes such as knockback, strong movement speed loss on hit etc
5. Immunity to invisibility thanks to tracker perk
6. Reload speed as well as shooting speed is very fast
7. A skill that can create a lot of distance if in melee range that isnt affected by movement loss effects
So by all means, please, what are the things that makes ranger "suck"? What are these so called terrible sides of ranger that players dont even consider as "Balancing" due to how impactful they are? Enlighten me.
@@sawritall4292 The only reason why ranger is "bad" is because the playerbase is bad. People are just not good enough to play the class and if they buff it then actual good players will stomp. Ranger can slow you at far ranges < add that to the list. You mentioned a skill to distance which is true. imo spear backstep is one of the most op things. Like I side the playerbase is too dogshit to to take advantage of rangers skill set and would be dominating if this game had the pop and "esports" community playing it.
Putting those comments out there was diabolical you earned the sub xd
it's wild how many little grass patches and missplaced stones on the ground of bridge can completely cover up a placed trap. So now we have to memorize which pebbles the traps are invisible on
No wonder I stopped playing this game. Fascinating watching a game I loved become a game I hate in real time
it's a great motivation video to start playing trap ranger
Hunter trap - can use and place as many as your inventory allows you to carry, is a 3 second root in a game that essentially has no hard cc
Rogue Caltrops - Can only have 3 for the entire dungeon, cant be replenished, a 2 second slow that also disappears from the ground after a set period of time
SDF: "Perfectly balanced as all things should be"
Wait.... are you saying they should nerf rogue?
@@tomatootamot yeah you dont read what he say? like men Rogue is insane op ofc need another nerf with only 3 stacks on Rupture and weakpoint
i mean just look down bro
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What i learned from this video is I'm not using enough traps
They nerf landmine rogue to move the player base off the class because it’s “anti-fun” and overpowered. I agreed with both of those statements, and fully accepted that rogue balance needed to be fixed a year back.
If balancing follows the same principle, that anti-fun mechanics need to be tuned down, the fact that this still exists in the game and is considered balanced blows my mind. It is essentially a landmine rogue but instead of having a fighting chance of surviving, you’re basically guaranteed dead if the ranger has more than 2 brain cells.
Thank you for making this video.
6:25 definitely buffed! I recently stepped in one and barely survived, because the ranger was afk. I think once you are in the trap, there shouldnt be any way out till you die
toddfather tears are a nice touch. great video brother
They shut down the tiny shop because people were hiding traps under giant pavises
Down with traps!
traps in a pvp skill based game, invisibility in a pvp skill based game, druid spamming transformation making him unkillable and unchaseable in a pvp SKILL BASED GAME
Traps and incorporeal effects are some of the worst things in this game and should 100% be removed for long term game health. there are hundreds of areas where you can make traps invisible from the approaching players POV.
the end of this video needs to be saved in time. we can show future generations
"they are gaslighting me" and then immediately gaslights the next sentence xDDD
They could change traps to be a un-refillable skill (like smoke pots), that way 1. it requires the ranger to give up a skill, 2. has a low count (2-3 maybe), 3. can't be refilled with campfires etc.
Also the blue trap is just ridiculous, traps should be like 5-7 seconds at most on players.
It should be a skill, idk why caltrops and smoke pots arent items but its probably for the best otherwise we would have rogues with a full inventory of smoke pots probably causing lag machines, hunting traps need to be changed asap, such a toxic item exclusive to a single class that basically gives them a free win
As a ranger main, I agree that this is probably the best way of handling traps outside of straight up removing them.
That way I don't have to feel like I'm missing out by ignoring them and duelling barbs with spear and backstep instead
5-7 seconds of hard cc in a game with 0.5s ttk is insanity
even if you look down half the time you dont see it. Its like the rogue landmine issue all over again. You either play the game cancerously like looking at the ground 24/7 for any traps or you die like the rogue landmine times when you had to wait by a door for a minute before knowing its safe and even then you sometimes got landmined
If they made traps disarm themselves after a period of time to prevent people just camping their minefield they’ve elaborately put together then I think this would help with this issue.
Rangers can bring 20 traps, rogues can’t even refresh cal traps… balanced IMO
Yeah these devs are retarded. Game is trash.
Another reason to nerf rogue
Amazing video. Always love a good toddfather rage
This is one of the best DnD montages I’ve ever seen. Nice work!
Ok hear me out, I'm not even playing ranger, but if you delete traps, what's the point of ranger since Fighter hit harder with bow than him + can stack pdr + is better in close combat.
Bard can have a surv bow too.
Idk man
I dont play trap on my ranger but yup nerf fighter getting out damage by a fighter bow for bow is just so retard
Truth. They just need to tune down the rare traps damage.
Nerf survival bow a bit and increase the penalty for fighter weapon mastery, done
Make everyone else inherently worse with bows, because bows are too strong in general.
One way to deal with traps when u are chasing someone is to pay attention to they pathing, if it looks weird probably they are going around a trap.
As a ranger main, I personally think traps are horrible for the health of the game. With that said, they are also currently the ONLY way to kill evenly geared fighters and barbs in certain maps. Between the instant direction shifts from A/D spam, shields, sprint and self heal for fighter, the fight isnt even close for ranger / fighter 1v1. I cant count how many times Ive hit a fighter like 5~6x before they are even near me and I still get 1~2 shot. The only solution within the context of the game, is to remove traps, but also nerf the classes that can just face tank a ton of damage. Or learn to live with the traps as a necessary evil to level the playing field against high PDR/High HP/shields/instant heals and invincibility abilities.
Inb4 the gitgud comments, most maps dont have super long sight lines with no cover. So even if you manage to hit one of these guys a few times, in order to finish the fight you have to get close to them. because they can infinitely play around cover to full heal. As a ranger, you either have to hope they walk into your trap, or theres actually a good chance you don't win that fight at all, either because they leave, or you died closing the gap which gives them a chance to hit you once.
Most of the time, it comes down to... you have to play the match up perfectly, hitting every shot and kiting perfectly or you just die within 1~2 hits.
Couldnt agree more as a ranger main ranger so weak right now pdr shyt meta hit a fighter last night 5 time longbow spear try to close the gap get 2 tap whit is heal he was still almost full hp
to me it feels like every class has a major problem with pvp in most scenarios, the game just seems way too gear dependent and meanwhile at sub 25 bracket its literally all about movespeed lol
To be fair as a ranger you should be play8ng the boring meta of just building movespped and perma kiting the fighter. Also using longbow in solos is kinda of a throw I am assuming you're playing on gc in which case you should use survivor bow with push back they're never touch you. From one ranger to another
@@sikeibutler7027 While you are mostly correct, kiting a fighter or barb requires you to actually have space to kite which isnt always possible. And even with that said, once they take cover from some damage you still have to be semi near them (on most maps) to try to secure the kill before they full heal which puts you at risk of dying. So you have to decide then as ranger, do you push that corner and hope that you can land a finishing blow before they hit you twice. And depending on their gear sometimes your damage simply isnt enough, I've died enough times to this. Your second choice is to try to leave. Unless they change the way that bows interact with PDR, traps will continue to be necessity against it. The only other alternative is a very expensive kit with a ton of true phys + surv bow. But an expensive kit shouldn't be a requirement to be able to play the game.
That's not the only solution. You arent creative enough. Magic arrows or magic bows would allow you to deal with PDR too. Native spear would help a bit, having throwables for even better mid range would help even more, abilities that grant armor pen would help a lot. There's probably a dozen ways ranger could be better against fighter. At least we agree that traps fucking blow
traps are insanely overpowered for being just a simple utility slot item that also stacks upto 2 per slot for some reason, while rogue has caltrops that are infinitely worse as a limited use ABILITY SLOT item
they should make that throwables can disarm the traps
dude this terrile music really added to the severity of the issue, i felt true panikc
Somebody’s not feeling the love
every time i die to a trap i just roll my eyes
I'm SO fucking thankful I wasn't playing the game when you were doing this, I LITERALLY started playing 3 days ago.
I think they should be buffed... as a druid main that now is swapping to ranger i approve this message
I play druid most of the time and still don't get pvp kills that often.
I decided this season I'd try ranger again after over a year away from the class. My first game i got a kill and it only went up from there.
Traps need a change, i believe making the damage one hit and the release a single button tap would massively help
But "waaaa druid op"
I screamed like a little girl when that second dude jumped down lmfaoooooo JUST LOOK DOWN BRO!!!
I main ranger ever since playtests & even as a low skill player I don't normally use traps because I'll forget where I put them if I move around.. but when the royal coffers get low, trap rat is a play that works for now😂😂 love the videos man
Honestly, I love being a silly shitter with traps but like lord the fact that it limits targets to a set radius is RIDICULOUS man.
Like seriously if it was even just a case of kinda applying "Achilles strike" to a target for a few seconds I imagine that alone would make it so much less annoying and absurd.
A few suggestions:
Move traps onto an ability (like caltrops) so the ranger can only place 2
Make traps shimmer/glow
Reduce trap timer to a max of 4 seconds
REMOVE SKILL CHECKS ON DISARM
A combination of a few of these nerfs will allow traps to stay in the game without ruining it
Skill checks only on blue traps
Make it a 3-5 sec slow, perfectly usable and not an instant death
so wont be a trap
You lost me at the shimmer and glow. I dont even play ranger but what you want is them to be removed if you want them easily seen.
@@xenird Thats still a spit on the face considering the traps last 18 seconds and 99% of the time the ranger is right there to get free shots on you, if not straight up kill you due to how much damage they do.
Great meme video detailing something broken ish in the game
i mean, its a good way to stop the terrible ring around the rosie style of pvp that this game so loves. ( i dont play ranger btw )
I dont even care if traps are good or not. Theyre annoying. Theyre a net negative for the game experience. Ranger is just playing a different game from most of the cast for as long as traps are in the game.
Its like if you lose the minigame where you fail to pick out the dimly lit grey brown pixels from the dimly lit grey pixels or the dimly lit orange brown pixels or the dimly lit green brown pixels, you instantly get hit by achilles heel 3 times in a row, and the other guy didnt have to aim or out his weapon away.
Its all the same reason i hate druid. Dont care if its strong. Its a net negative experience. Theyre playing an overwatch chatacter in valorant, and the counterplay is make a perfect timing predict and snipe a little mouse, or hit them with very specific spells.
Honestly, if traps were just like, single placeable achilles heel, they might be fine. Idc if thats a nerf to ranger, but if its really a problem, let them throw shit or have spear natively or add magic arrows as compensation.
Anyway, i havent played the game for like a month now. Game is just stale, mechanics are boring, and shit like this makes it even less worth it. Man, IM is seriously squandering what a good concept they had.
That intro tho XD the funniest, most toxic thing I`ve seenin a while
If ranger traps are fine like this, i want Ignite + magic missile back.
Tbh the only problem with ranger traps is the durration. Make it a 2-3 second slow, remove the leash, increase the and it is ballanced
I hope they remove traps and give ranger something else in its place like an ability
Been playing ranger since season 1 and I wouldn't mind a trap nerf/removal but Ranger would have to be significantly buffed in order to compensate. The problem with people who complain about traps is that they just complain about traps without discussing what would ranger get to compensate. Traps in themself are mostly used by newer/moderate skilled rangers. Top tier rangers either dont use traps or rarely use traps. The problem with their removal for even top tier rangers who don't use traps is that it takes the fear away of maybe there's a trap, which is an integral part of ranger kiting and spacing. I don't take traps in to most matches but i often bait/play as though I have a trap in an area just to make people afraid to walk forward. Without that fear, a ranger is just a naked fighter with no sprint.
Eh I mean I kinda agree with you but they are clearly working towards something. Giving fighter -10% physical damage bonus with a bow makes them a fairly shitty ranger now. Although a pdr sprint fighter with a heater is at a slight advantage now with the forceful shot changes, they won’t need a significant buff to ranger to make up for the loss of traps. Like you say, a skilled ranger doesn’t really need to utilize traps to be extremely effective, their skills are powerful and when used correctly they can have some of the fastest ttk in the game, especially against squishier classes.
I mean they could just do the sensible thing and have it so that traps snare you, but dont plant you in place. It serves its purpose for kiting/getting a damage lead but doesn't guarantee the kill.
But then again, we're talking about I-want-faster-TTK SDF. I suppose nothing is faster than instant death, huh.
0:15 I drowned my fish out of anger watching this 😿
Went against a triple ranger who had 40 traps that’s all I gotta say
Yeah bro, in the game where druids teleport at you and oneshot, 5 fighters with 165 hp and 60% PDR, barbarians with 250 HP and warlocks with 330 MS killing whole lobby with 3 spells, ranger with 15 traps who sitting in single location whole game is defenetly biggest problem
Seems fine, OCE server taught me to expect death. No deeper learning from my server other then that. Much love mate be safe out there lots of traps
This is beautifully done, banger viddy
Hear me out, as someone who doesn't play anymore, make them go down silently but only last like 30 seconds
respect for bringing attention to a pervasive problem
If they don’t remove them entirely (I’d be completely fine with them gone tbh) they could rework them to just be a damage tool. Could be a tiny bit of instant damage for you to follow up with ranged shots. I can definitely see them trying to add a move speed penalty after stepping in one, which could still be very annoying but at least you could attempt to move during it. 12 seconds is eternity in DaD, I can’t believe they’ve gone this long without a duration nerf, it’s absurd.
Idk why they ever fucking reverted the duration of the bear traps. Makes no sense. My favorite is how you can't even see them so much of the time even if you look down with a torch out, which is a wild way to be playing when you want to look at the players around you and be ready for them. Bonus: They nerf things like slow and keep druid mobile as possible.
They could make them like a caltrops instead of a rooting
as a rogue main i request that they buff traps and give us access to them
Remember the playtest traps that, on top of requiring a skill check to disarm, completely froze you on the trap, unable to move? .....
Great question, the clear answer is buffed. JK, removing them however would just be unnecessary. A nerf could be okay, problem is ranger suffers seriously in several aspects, and would seriously need some changes somewhere in the kit. Either buffs to abilities or stats.. something. Or alternatively other classes need toned down.. bard/fighter are already almost better bow users than the ranger as is alongside so much other utility.
0:47 uhm no, its not "ranger community", you're being gaslighted NO MATTER WHAT. Thats the nature of "balancing conversations" with dark and darker. EVERY single problem that you can remember this game had since release, ALWAYS, there was ALWAYS certain amount of people who: rationalized, justified, gaslighted you, tried to fight those changes, throw tantrums at you, called you stupid, skill issue, YOU problem, alpha game, we're testers etc. so you just wouldn't dare speak about this. Tired of this. Just wish more people called them immature kids and stopped conversations with people like that. Lost all hope about game balancing "conversations" in Dark and Darker, cause theres always people like this, just spilling bile at you just because they feel entitled to something that shouldn't be in this game for the sake of this game. But no, someone enjoying get cheese free kills with trap so it automatically means you are "choose tantrum" and continue galshighting.
Amen. The immature kids run this clown show now. Can't have a fair and balanced conversation without someone throwing a tantrum, because by god they want to the best and win at all costs.
Atlast people are waking up how op they are. Ive been saying this since the fucking start...
Traps should be a heavy SLOW and mild damage proc but cannot be placed close to each other.
SDF=Instructions unclear, Now everyone can place traps. So remember "Just look down." See you in the dungeon nerds!
I wish it was more like Achilles strike where it’s just slows you down for a set time and does some damage to you
Maybe traps should have a glint/shine so that darkness doesn't completely hide them
Rangerpure is my DAWGGGG
Just change it to a 20-30% movement slow and jingling sound effects that lasts for 10 seconds or until disarmed. As if the trap isn't anchored to the ground it just clamps onto your leg. Even that would be pretty damn strong compared to other CC in the game.
Thank fuck, I’ve been waiting for this shit for a while, please keep the good fight
First great video. I think they should be left in game and not messed with until they find a way to buff ranger when using a bow. What's funny is I do this daily in solo gobs and it produces many pelts and good gear in HR. And as for people being upset at the traps. If you want them removed. Then we should remove anything that has a slowing down effect. Cause we all know if Achilles hits say hello the to lobby.
i was wondering what you use to record trying to figure out whats best thanks.
I like what another person said where they need to be reworked into more of an information gathering rather than guaranteed kill. Make em louder/global so the Ranger can hear them triggering, make it slow by 20% instead of 40%, no root, and only last 3 seconds. Then of course only allow 4 to be carried and only Ranger can pick them up
If they were to keep them, they could do so where you can only bring 1, and it lasts 3 or less seconds
Or maybe that each one placed is very bright and can't be covered
They should be replaced with something like a door specific trip wire. Much more predictable but can still catch those who w key off guard.
I was in dood and a ranger shot at us from the wall in center ruins. We go to push at health shrine door and its trapped but then his naked duo barb jumps out of the bushes with reckless attack lmao. I get that it's a playstyle but when paired with grass terrain you cant simply 'look down'
If I wanted to play this game again, I was going to ditch my preference to magic/spellswords and just go full ranger. It's so good with just traps alone, the kits just add a slap in the face before you die.
People who think ranger would be “weaker” without traps being as strong as they are rn are completely out themselves for not being able to hit their shots.
Idk I play a lot of both HR and below grey and I dont hit traps that often. I primarily play fighter. And I rather enjoy the concept. It requires prior setup, you have to successfully lead someone through the trap. Its audio queue is unique and loud as all hell when setting up.
The only change i would personally make is that you should be able to disable a trap by hitting it prior to it trapping you.
Remove traps. They're invisible, overpowered, and boring.
what a creative vision for a "fantasy" game am I right! I could go in my backyard and put a trap down right now. There is nothing fantasy about that. There is something bullshit about it though.
all they have to do to not be op is limit the amount or just be a speed reduction instead of a complete stop
Learn to not W key and look where you're going
@@aloneguy8527Learn to not be an NPC
@@roshshowHow you learn that, Can you learn sentience? I think he might be stuck an npc forever.
DaD subreddit is one of the few places you can always assume the popular opinion will be wrong. They love ranger traps, they love teaming, they think squire lobbies should be the only ones to exist, they think there should be a PVE only mode. They would probably remove all classes except for fighter if they could.
Actually, it’s basically all of Reddit, but otherwise I fully agree.
/r/darkanddarker? almost all the threads are complaining about ranger traps and teaming
This video is 10/10 fucking fire.
Lol back when ruins first came out, my buddy and i would main ranger and sit in the middle room with about 15+ traps scattered thru the module to try and prove how broken ranger was. I collected over 100k before the end of that wipe off just kills. We’d sit in the corner by health shrine and just wait for our traps to go off and grab the loot delivery!
The OG Trap Lords! 😂
So bad, i started the #Traps4All meme campaign for this, already went down this rabbit hole
I will continue to make these until its nerfed, I appreciate you! #Traps4All
@@SoBadStrange We must get traps fixed or removed!!!!
Traps have been a problem, people just find ways to make everything to the extremes so ironmace needs a balance, which is what they’re asking for btw
All round the game just isn’t fun. I don’t know why it took me 1000+ hours to realize that but live and learn.
I've occasionally been complaining about this since the start of EA.
The only reason it "hasn't been a problem" thus far is because simply said the playerbase wasn't using the traps. Which is weird considering Soapy has many vids displaying the traps' powers.
Buff traps, they should give you a -99% pdr debuff
I agree that traps are OP I also agree that rangers without traps are extremely underwhelming when two other classes can do their job but infinitely better, can't we all agree that's true? Remove/nerf traps and buff rangers stats/damage/or abilities to compensate and it's win win!
Rangers are extremely strong when even remotely geared. Longbow 3 shots anyone.
Not the trap music 😂😂 great video Ty for doing gods work.
I think the problem with traps is that they're designed for a 3v3 format. Rangers with traps in 3s still don't necessarily contribute as much as a cleric, bard, or wizard, so it's not that unbalanced and can create interesting play scenarios based around group support and taking advantage of the locked down player. In solos and duos traps just do too much.
I main ranger and don’t even like them personally, I’d be fine for a overall buff to rangers and the removal of traps or rather than locking in place they get changed to a 50% ms nerf for 10 seconds plus the initial 15 true damage. Maybe buff that initial true damage and remove the damage you take when moving.
Finally a content creator with the balls to talk about this. It’s a problem, it’s always been a problem, Ranger Traps are one of the worst game mechanics I have ever seen implemented in a multiplayer game. I’m convinced that a statistically significant number of players uninstalled and never came back directly following a trap death.
Also W music, Kids See Ghosts is straight ⛽️
We luhh the fuckin trap music.
With having a large voice in the community I would implore you to recommend something to give rangers if their traps are taken. They need class identity still. I think traps are cringe but they're the only thing ranger really has as fighter and bard are just better rangers discounting traps.
Also it would be really cool to see you explore other things that are overpowered and unhealthy for the game alongside the traps like bards and barbarians and rondel fighters.
they turned him into a villain ;(