Thanks so much AudiovisuelleDroge! I've been trying really hard to make things more concise but also retain their depth with my new videos. Happy to see its working :) ✌️
Cheers mate! I love that classic 90s sound as well. Most of this stuff you justlearn through trial and error but then you begin to hear the techniques in other people work also! :)
Yea I agree, love this style of DnB. Nice dude, Logic X is great. I use Renoise a lot also but Logic's got some wicked stuff in there. Really into the new samplers! :) ✌
My pleasure friend! Happy to help. Melodic stuff can definitely be difficult for sure. I often find simpler is better. Lots of little melodic motifs in different instruments all put together rather than playing a lead melody in 1 instrument :)
I don't struggle with melodic stuff but I also want too much of everything sometimes. After listen closly to some tracks, especially newer breakcore style stuff, most of the pads used in the songs are just pitched up and down a few notes/octaves. try to get ur melody fitting the key of the pads can really help!
A few more tips that I think leads towards to achieve that very sound (otherwise amazing work so far) - put everything into an old hw sampler. AD/DA conversion may lead to miracles. Lpf or lower the sampling rate to an extent. - hw reverb aux on the mixer (cheap, like midiverb II) - put that delay/reverb on everything as a send, including drums in small amounts - except the bass - vocals lean towards pitching up instead of down, that's kind of a more contemporary thing in dance music, I think. My main reference tracks for that era are like Doc Scott's Tokyo Dawn and Forme - New Element. Was pretty much a teen back then when they came out and I was blown away. I love your channel btw.
Thanks dude, glad you've been enjoying the channel! Tokyo Dawn has got wicked rolling drums, lovely pads also. New Element is a tune, never heard it before. Amazing tips also! Those old-school samplers are definitely responsible for a lot of the sound. I'm lucky enough to have an Emu/Akai and they sound fantastic. Even just sampling sounds in and playing them back at the same pitch adds lots of colour without even doing the sample rate tricks etc. You've actually given me a great idea for a future vid so thanks for the inspiration! Cheers ✌🥷
@@groovining Would love to see that video in the future. :) I've got three Akai's, an Emu and I can confirm they really add to the sound. I couldn't achieve the same sound via plugins. I've heard about cases when complete tracks were bounced down to samplers to improve the sound :O The best old trick to glorify a sampler (that probably everyone knows by now) is to sample at high pitch and slow the sample down onboard (to save memory, mainly but then you get to hear all those crunchy audio artifacts.) A few more things came to my mind: • I think they sampled nearly everything in mono too, back in the day. Again, to save memory. So - lower sample rate, mono, high pitch on the input resulted a sample being only a few kilobytes on the sampler that's very handy if you work with let's say 4MB of ram and floppies. They didn't know it back then, but by doing all that they created a benchmark for the sound. • Cheap compressors on the drum/bass bus. • Many tunes have one or two endlessly playing pad, often layered. Like the same note of the pad plays for minutes, and arp or a key plays here and there. My guess here is that those were either hw synths with very long notes playing and a long release on the adsr... Or they were coming from a Roland sampler (S750, S760 maybe) that was able to play the sample back and forth while filtering. Here are a few more gems: St Etienne - The Sea (PFM Remix) Aquarius - Drift To The Centre Dj Crystl - Paradise JMJ & Richie - Free La Funk (PFM Remix) Intense - Careless Minds PFM - One & Only Big up and keep up the great work. :)
Three Akai's is the dream! which ones have you got? I agree its hard to 100% emulate whats happening on the hardware but now i've heard it happening, I can get a lot closer in the DAW. That pitch up sampler rate trick is epic, I was obsessed when I first learn that. Will defs be in my vid going over all this. That mono trick is also great, I do it with my breaks a lot but its intresting that stuff made on Akai s950 would all have been mono. Even the S1000 is quite tedious to set things up in stereo. Such great tips mate, I'm going to add these to my video notes, thanks so much :) Tha layered sustained pad is such a great way of setting the ambience/vibe of the track, the other one is to resample the pads and play them like parallel chords, add more filter movement, pino-pongs etc. Cheers for the references also! Keep well dude :)✌️
@@groovining I hope some of my input helped because what you do is very inspiring. I wish there were similar tutorials back in the day. That could have saved me a decate of research and practice, lol. Let me add that some pointed out earlier - you might just want to try the left or right channel of the break as mono. Take Amen, for example. Both channels have different characteristics and can lead to a different sound. I've got an S1100, two S2000s with an 8 out card. Emu Esi4000 Turbo, Sampletrak. Outboard fx, analogue synths and a Mackie. Sequencing without a daw, Zaquencer, MPC 500, Keystep.
@@groovining No worries it’s actually great. I’ve been wondering how this jungle revival should sound, it needs to sound old and new at the same time, and I think you’ve done it!
Yeah, the melodic phrases and layering is really nice. When you zoomed out on the arrangement, it looked super complex! (Not in a bad way, just lots of clips!) I don’t suppose you would consider doing an arrangement deep dive video?
I absolutlely will keep making Logic X & Renoise content! There is so much hype on Ableton atm but once you get into Logic, its just as good as a tool. ✌️
Hey man thanks! Amazing channel also - you really bring those Volcas to life. I was watching a jungle one on the Volca Sample the other today and was seriously impressed by your sound! Keep it up dude :)✌️
Thanks bro! You've had a couple of amazing vids on your channel recently also. I notice your jungle pads one really blew up so congrats there mate :) Logic is excellent & paired with Renoise i'm completely sorted now. I see you use Bitwig which looks great also, it seems to pair some of the best feature of Logic/Ableton & has a amazing sampler. I like all the scenes & patterns stuff you can also do in there for more of a live jam way of making a beat. ✌️🥷
Another great video (as usual) 👌 I particularly enjoyed this 1 as personally I find creating atmospheric pads the hardest part with this type of music. 🤦♂️
Thanks friend! Yea setting the atmos/pads can be very tricky but its such an important part to get the vibe going. It gives you bed to match all the other sounds up against. :)✌️
@@groovining music has pasued for now, just finishing up a huge project that involved restoring an ancient mixing desk. Currently finishing up the studio rebuild, will be glad to get back to making music soon :) Ill shoot you some pics when done
that was phenomenal, idk how you put so much content into 12 minutes. a+ reference, will watch again.
Thanks so much AudiovisuelleDroge! I've been trying really hard to make things more concise but also retain their depth with my new videos. Happy to see its working :) ✌️
I had to laugh cs i love 90's ambient jungle make it aswell and recognise certain things you do.
Love it!
Cheers mate! I love that classic 90s sound as well. Most of this stuff you justlearn through trial and error but then you begin to hear the techniques in other people work also! :)
Again, very interesting to watch, learning a lot from this!
Bring back the 90s!
Thanks Flip, happy to hear! I know right, loving this style right now :) ✌️
Love how the ride starts to get bashy at about bar 114 :D
Thanks supahfly! It's such a good way to add energy to sections :)✌
one of my fave genres to create. also its nice to see another producer who uses the same daw as me.
Yea I agree, love this style of DnB. Nice dude, Logic X is great. I use Renoise a lot also but Logic's got some wicked stuff in there. Really into the new samplers! :) ✌
I'm always struggling with melodic stuff in my tracks so this video was a life saver! Thank you!!! ✨
My pleasure friend! Happy to help. Melodic stuff can definitely be difficult for sure. I often find simpler is better. Lots of little melodic motifs in different instruments all put together rather than playing a lead melody in 1 instrument :)
I don't struggle with melodic stuff but I also want too much of everything sometimes. After listen closly to some tracks, especially newer breakcore style stuff, most of the pads used in the songs are just pitched up and down a few notes/octaves. try to get ur melody fitting the key of the pads can really help!
A few more tips that I think leads towards to achieve that very sound (otherwise amazing work so far)
- put everything into an old hw sampler. AD/DA conversion may lead to miracles. Lpf or lower the sampling rate to an extent.
- hw reverb aux on the mixer (cheap, like midiverb II)
- put that delay/reverb on everything as a send, including drums in small amounts - except the bass
- vocals lean towards pitching up instead of down, that's kind of a more contemporary thing in dance music, I think.
My main reference tracks for that era are like Doc Scott's Tokyo Dawn and Forme - New Element. Was pretty much a teen back then when they came out and I was blown away. I love your channel btw.
Thanks dude, glad you've been enjoying the channel! Tokyo Dawn has got wicked rolling drums, lovely pads also. New Element is a tune, never heard it before.
Amazing tips also! Those old-school samplers are definitely responsible for a lot of the sound. I'm lucky enough to have an Emu/Akai and they sound fantastic. Even just sampling sounds in and playing them back at the same pitch adds lots of colour without even doing the sample rate tricks etc. You've actually given me a great idea for a future vid so thanks for the inspiration! Cheers ✌🥷
@@groovining Would love to see that video in the future. :) I've got three Akai's, an Emu and I can confirm they really add to the sound. I couldn't achieve the same sound via plugins. I've heard about cases when complete tracks were bounced down to samplers to improve the sound :O The best old trick to glorify a sampler (that probably everyone knows by now) is to sample at high pitch and slow the sample down onboard (to save memory, mainly but then you get to hear all those crunchy audio artifacts.)
A few more things came to my mind:
• I think they sampled nearly everything in mono too, back in the day. Again, to save memory. So - lower sample rate, mono, high pitch on the input resulted a sample being only a few kilobytes on the sampler that's very handy if you work with let's say 4MB of ram and floppies. They didn't know it back then, but by doing all that they created a benchmark for the sound.
• Cheap compressors on the drum/bass bus.
• Many tunes have one or two endlessly playing pad, often layered. Like the same note of the pad plays for minutes, and arp or a key plays here and there. My guess here is that those were either hw synths with very long notes playing and a long release on the adsr... Or they were coming from a Roland sampler (S750, S760 maybe) that was able to play the sample back and forth while filtering.
Here are a few more gems:
St Etienne - The Sea (PFM Remix)
Aquarius - Drift To The Centre
Dj Crystl - Paradise
JMJ & Richie - Free La Funk (PFM Remix)
Intense - Careless Minds
PFM - One & Only
Big up and keep up the great work. :)
@@groovining Plus a Mackie VLZ pro desk. Photek and Source Direct used it for example. :)
Three Akai's is the dream! which ones have you got? I agree its hard to 100% emulate whats happening on the hardware but now i've heard it happening, I can get a lot closer in the DAW. That pitch up sampler rate trick is epic, I was obsessed when I first learn that. Will defs be in my vid going over all this. That mono trick is also great, I do it with my breaks a lot but its intresting that stuff made on Akai s950 would all have been mono. Even the S1000 is quite tedious to set things up in stereo. Such great tips mate, I'm going to add these to my video notes, thanks so much :) Tha layered sustained pad is such a great way of setting the ambience/vibe of the track, the other one is to resample the pads and play them like parallel chords, add more filter movement, pino-pongs etc. Cheers for the references also! Keep well dude :)✌️
@@groovining I hope some of my input helped because what you do is very inspiring. I wish there were similar tutorials back in the day. That could have saved me a decate of research and practice, lol. Let me add that some pointed out earlier - you might just want to try the left or right channel of the break as mono. Take Amen, for example. Both channels have different characteristics and can lead to a different sound. I've got an S1100, two S2000s with an 8 out card. Emu Esi4000 Turbo, Sampletrak. Outboard fx, analogue synths and a Mackie. Sequencing without a daw, Zaquencer, MPC 500, Keystep.
Man this tune is reallly nice!!
Cheers professorpancake! I actually made it with this tutorial in mind but ended up quite liking the finished result also! :) ✌
@@groovining No worries it’s actually great. I’ve been wondering how this jungle revival should sound, it needs to sound old and new at the same time, and I think you’ve done it!
Yeah, the melodic phrases and layering is really nice. When you zoomed out on the arrangement, it looked super complex! (Not in a bad way, just lots of clips!)
I don’t suppose you would consider doing an arrangement deep dive video?
Your videos are so good. Very inspiring and your editing/explanations are on point
Thanks so much mate! Been putting a lot of work into this recently so I'm glad you've been finding the channel inspiring! :)✌️
i need to stream this song
ruclips.net/video/oek4pUAl_Hk/видео.html
Fantastic tutorials! Would love to see a video on vocals ... 🙏
Yes it would be great to do a deep dive into vocals! its on my list :)✌️
Keep making these vids in logic please, fed up of tutorials in ableton. Great video
I absolutlely will keep making Logic X & Renoise content! There is so much hype on Ableton atm but once you get into Logic, its just as good as a tool. ✌️
Love these types of sounds! Great stuff!
Hey man thanks! Amazing channel also - you really bring those Volcas to life. I was watching a jungle one on the Volca Sample the other today and was seriously impressed by your sound! Keep it up dude :)✌️
Very cool! Thank you very much! @@groovining
Great stuff as always! Makes me want to bust out Logic and give it an honest go for once.
Thanks bro! You've had a couple of amazing vids on your channel recently also. I notice your jungle pads one really blew up so congrats there mate :) Logic is excellent & paired with Renoise i'm completely sorted now. I see you use Bitwig which looks great also, it seems to pair some of the best feature of Logic/Ableton & has a amazing sampler. I like all the scenes & patterns stuff you can also do in there for more of a live jam way of making a beat. ✌️🥷
7:00 nice!
Thanks friend :) ✌
Bad bwoy tune!
Cheers mate! Glad you liked :)
Another great video (as usual) 👌
I particularly enjoyed this 1 as personally I find creating atmospheric pads the hardest part with this type of music. 🤦♂️
Thanks friend! Yea setting the atmos/pads can be very tricky but its such an important part to get the vibe going. It gives you bed to match all the other sounds up against. :)✌️
Tops.
Cheers Tony! :)✌
If you haven't... you HAVE TO do an album breakdown of Mesozoic Era. In my humble opinion, arguably the best dnb album ever produced.
Yea I love the stuff Paradox does under Alaska. Espeically with Seba who is also a mad artist. Will definitly look into this in the future! :)
great info on layering. tons of possibilites. I think layering through re-sampling techniques adds more glue to the sound or something?
Thanks ghal3on! Hope your well mate! hows the music & samplers? I think you were getting into an EMU last time we spoke. :)
@@groovining music has pasued for now, just finishing up a huge project that involved restoring an ancient mixing desk. Currently finishing up the studio rebuild, will be glad to get back to making music soon :) Ill shoot you some pics when done
Yea please do - would love to see it! What mixing desk was it, old Mackie? @@ghal3on
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My man! I'll be sending you some stuff soon. Thanks for another great tutorial!
Thanks Troy! Yea for sure, would love to hear it. Glad you enjoyed this series mate, onto the next now :) ✌️