Twin Peaks Is A Dream Inside Laura Palmer's Head | Fan Theories
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- What if everything that happens in Twin Peaks is inside a dream? And if so, who is the dreamer? Greg explains his favorite fan theory in which the events of Twin Peaks take place in Laura Palmer's dream!
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Is it all a dream? If so, who is the dreamer?
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David Lynch. Or the viewer.
"Laura is the one." - Gordon Cole
I missed those two together speaking about Twin peaks!!!👍
If its a dream, the dreamer is the most realistic person, and that is Richard. Je is solveing case regarding Carrie, and all others in his dream are loosely based on the people in his reality.
I dont like it to be a dream.
My theory is that all seasons 1 and 2 and the return are reality.
Bob can exit the red room only by inhabiting the doopleganger...
Leland in season 1 is dopple since he was a child ( on the summer hollidays )
I'm so happy you guys are talking about Twin Peaks again.
The Return was pretty under the rader, it went over peoples (and the emmys) heads and didn't get anywhere near the respect it deserves.
I'm so glad to see that people are still discovering , appreciating and deciphering David Lynchs ultimate mind f*ck. I would take a class on Twin Peaks!
Yes I will say it’s great to see this duo back!
The only thing about Twin Peaks that I'm 100% certain is that it's a great show.
Maybe we are not supposed to know what's going on
So glad to see you guys talking Twin Peaks again. MORE TWIN PEAKS THEORY DISCUSSION! 🌲🌲♥️👏🏻
Labelling everything as a "dream", made up of distinct levels or tiers of "sub-dreams", is nothing but semantic obfuscation. It doesn't clarify anything beyond the more general acceptance of there being distinct or overlapping tiers of "reality" in the Twin Peaks universe (within which dreams also exist, just as they do in "our" reality).
The question of who the dreamer they speak of is should be obvious when you consider the person Monica Bellucci speaks to: it's a meta-textual reference to the fact that Lynch dreamt up the whole thing. Twin Peaks and its characters literally existed in his mind before anywhere else. He even dreamt up an alterego for himself (who is conspicuous in being identified as the only person besides Cooper who will remember both timelines).
Lynch is the dreamer, but that really doesn't help in trying to figure out how the fractured realities within that dream relate to one-another.
thank you for saying what needed to be said... These youtubers just want to have closure by saying its just a dream and then move on. they have no insight
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to denigrate those who ascribe to this theory. I'm just pointing out that re-labelling the issues of a layered reality as dreams does nothing to elucidate the issues of how to interpret it. The beauty of Twin Peaks is that there is not a single answer. Just as there is not a single reality within the show.
There are two narratives: an inner narrative (the one we see) and an outer narrative (that we never see or rarely see, if you can trust any scenes from FWWM as "real"). Yes, there is more to the overall narrative than "it was just a dream," and the mythology in some way stems from Lynch's spiritual beliefs (ie the Unified Field).
The inner narrative, as I see it, is a sort of religious text around those beliefs, with Laura as an embodiment of "pure consciousness" (not that she literally is that, just as Jesus isn't literally the son of God).
Then, from that, we can debate how "real" the characters are, whether they think they're real, and if that in itself makes them real.
However, when you watch it through the lens of "Laura is a living mentally ill person dreaming this narrative as a way to cope with the abuse of her parents," it's almost impossible not to recognise it, at least once you clock how it's being conveyed.
The Black Lodge, Bad Cooper etc are representing a mind which is retreating into unreality as a defense mechanism, a world where people are bad because of magic and demons. The motivation of the good characters is to put the mind back together again and see reality.
For example, watch episode 7 again. It seemed like a fairly uneventful episode when it first aired, but watching it through the above lens is a revelation. Bad Cooper is in jail for almost the whole thing, and the tone of the episode is relatively benign compared to the rest of the season. Frank talks to Harry on the phone for long stretches, wishing him to get better. Hawk and Harry discuss the diary pages (3 found, 1 still missing). Beverly flirts with Ben, but he gently turns her down (note that he's being a responsible older male in a position of authority). Diane confronts the bad Cooper in prison, looking him straight in the eye. Dougie is attacked by Ike the Spike but fights him off ("squeeze his hand off"); this is a reimagining of the "dirty fingernails" scene where Laura stands up to Leland this time, and note that on the news report a woman comments that Dougie "was no victim".
This even makes sense of the sweeping scene - the floor is being cleaned by sweeping the disparate elements (the multiple characters and storylines, which are increasingly absurd and fanciful / unreal depictions of Laura's abuse and her family), into one single pile to be cleaned, and this is later depicted by the cast reducing down to just Cooper and Carrie. The sweeping is depicting the brain being cleaned.
Then, Beverly goes home. She dreads going through the front door. Inside is her deathly sick husband Tom. He accuses her of having an affair. She grabs her necklace. This is a reimagining of Leland asking about Laura's heart necklace ("do you have a lover?"). Beverly shouts "don't fuck this up".
Then, Mr. C gets out of prison. The "where's Billy?" scene plays, as reality shifts back onto a negative course. The episode up to now has depicted a positive trajectory as Frank wished Harry (Laura's brain) to get better, she was no longer a victim due to Dougie; and she confronted Leland thanks to Diane. The floor was almost clean at the Roadhouse.
Now Mr C is out and there's a backslide. Episode 8 picks up later that same night. NIN play (lyrics: "she's gone she's gone she's gone"). The Roadhouse floor is filthy again.
"Now your just a strangers dream", "I took your picture from a frame"
So wrong! :)
"We live inside a dream." - the characters are becoming aware they are fictional. But the dream is real, it's their only reality.
The dreamer is David Lynch himself. Just like in Mulholland Drive.
And yeah, they are in the same universe only because they are both David Lynch's dreams.
Remember his son, looking exactly like David, and showing the garmonbozia to Laura?..
Black lodge is the same as the white lodge. Twin Peaks is one place.
There are many dreams as there are many realities.
The more you try to make sense of it all, the further you get, and the "dream" ends, just like in the last episode. The universe collapses in itself.
So yeah the key - remember the key? - to all of this leads to the end of the fantasy that is a tv show. There are constant reminders of this, the 4th wall breaking, the characters becoming aware they are characters...
How can non-existent character being aware that he is non-existent. This suppose that these characters have soul and mind. :D
@@OptimusPrimeTheFlash because they are being written by a person who does exist to do so.
meta fiction 101
1- Agent Cooper never got out of the lodge and is the one "dreaming" the whole thing (proof is the very last image in which we see Laura whispering in Coopers ears back in the lodge. Plus when she whispers in his ears the first time this last season, Dale looks dumbfounded and dismayed. She whispered he is dreaming the whole thing, which means he is trapped in the lodge forever. The second proof is in one of the black and white dreams in which Dale appears but we can't see his face. The third proof is the superimposition when Bob is vanquished. The fourth proof is the absurdity on how a guy that comes from nowhere with a magic glove kills Bob)
2- The Jumping Man is David Bowie's doppelganger.
3 - In Fire Walk With Me, Phill (Bowie) also states that he talked with Judy and both are in agreement, meaning that Judy is an actual person who probably works for the FBI.
4- "Live inside a dream" can also just mean that David Lynch is giving the characters the knowledge that they are just characters being dreamt by an artist.
ok. I'll bite. The dreams are collective dreams so sometimes one person's dream is dominant, then another's. Freddie seems like he is James's dream. James is a little slow but good heroic hearted. Freddie is the part of him that is able to complete the heroic arc and save the good people, something he isn't able to do on his own. The Naido scene in the woods with the Giant is Andy's dream, where he is confident chosen and in charge. Dale Cooper in season 1 until the end of season 2, and in the episode 16 of season 3, is Richard's dream of himself as a hero. You can take it from there. What you have here is a whole bunch of characters manifesting their dreams within different levels of dreams. We, too are obviously a part of this; we have our own level that at times intersects with the show.
The FBI represents Lynch's spirit guides at the ego level. Hawk represents his spirit guide at the unconscious level that is manifesting in the show. Notice that toward the end of season 3, Hawk's role begins to crumble after Andy, not Hawk, is chosen as Naido's steward in Twin Peaks. This happens AFTER Log Lady dies, which to me seems significant. This might be because Log Lady chosen Hawk to inherit the Log, and her connection with Hawk seems largely based on the fact that he is Native American, but in Lynch world, the unexpected will bring forth the truth (as they do in dreams) and she apparently did not pick up on Andy's importance.
@@happyclam1266 I found it really curious that Andy was the one chosen to visit the Fireman and be given the responsibility of taking the message to the others, since they should have all had better "credentials". Bobby, son of Garland Briggs; Hawk, the one who seemed most in touch with the mysteries of the woods, and; Sheriff Truman, the lead authority figure. I concluded that it was Andy's childlike innocence and blind trust that made him the best choice. I don't know if the log lady thought Andy wasn't important... Maybe Hawk just lost some of his mojo after she wasn't around to talk to him any more. It was also Andy who unwittingly set up Chad for his knockout punch.
Nice. Even after that, I still can't shake that this is Sarah Palmer's very unstable mind. Some of it is real, some of it is dream, all of it is her guilt-riddled, and the consequences of trying to absolve herself - even at the cost of hating her daughter - perception of life. All of it bleeds into each other, and it is told from her unreliable narrative, from the moment of the pilot to the moment we get to see how she connects falling in love the first time with being invaded by something unclean and makes her unable to control herself. As her life descended into what it became, and she continued to take the sleeping mixture Leland gave her, her mind fractured, and finally, broke open. She took all the rumors of supernatural events in the woods, the investigation into the death, and her husband's death, and it became too much for her to cope with. She never received the help she was supposed to have. We just saw life through her eyes.
Yes I am inclined to think Sarah is the dreamer. And I think the dreams begin when Leland drugs her.
Lynch has often said that he thinks the statement "we live inside a dream" is "very true".
So, if we take him at his word, it's not just Twin Peaks that is a dream - reality itself is a dream.
"Who is the dreamer" is like a Zen Buddhist Koan. It cannot be answered with an affirmation or a negation. The truth of it can only be apprehended non-verbally.
It's worth noting that, based on my somewhat limited understanding, all Koans are essentially the same question: "Who are you?"
It is like Inception in that the series induces ontological uncertainty.
Woah. This comment is excellent. I need to think about this some more. Thank you.
@@joelBalmer1 You're most welcome
This is exactly how I see his work. It's more than obvious that he is deeply influenced by the Buddhistic (especially Zen) and Advaitic ideology. And that's not surprising, he is a follower of the Transcendental Meditation "school" of thoughts. I am not sure that "it's all a dream" idea was present in his head from the beginning of the series. Most probably that was "developed" later, probably after the end of the 1st season. It's my personal feeling.
@@OptimusPrimeTheFlash Despite his protestations to being "not much of an intellectual" I suspect Lynch has garnered a fair amount of philosophical ideas, from various sources (TM is the obvious one, but that's more of a practice with a fairly thin philosophical grounding) and these ideas have worked their way into his corpus. Or, maybe he is as Slavoj Zizek described him - "kind of an unconscious genius" (ie: he has no idea what he's doing or why).
My best guess? A little from column A a little from column B.
I recall seeing him give a talk at a US university and a student asked a fairly complex question about essentialism. Lynch had this glint in his eye as he replied "This guy is a sharp one!"
@@OptimusPrimeTheFlash Have you read the popular collection of essays "The Philosophy of David Lynch"? It's worth a look.
Twin peaks is what brought me to gamespot. Digging the new hair Ryan!
Audrey called stuff dreamy a lot. The show opens with "sawing wood." My friends and I have said it's a dream since the 90s
What do you mean "sawing wood"?
@@fakefirer zzzzzzzzawing wood
If you watch the original show too many characters often remark on how the situation they are in is so odd they feel as if they are in a dream. I think since Laura's death, every character sort of realizes that something is off, or isn't right, but they never have the realization and they just go about their life.
The dreams really took off after Cooper is shot. Season 2 brought us teenage Super Nadine, a Film Noir side quest, Civil War, alien abduction, problem child, and an Asian doorknob. Season 1 is Laura's dream about her father. Season 2 is about her fantasy of how the town moves on. Season 3 is a dream about her mother. Audrey is her alter ego in these dreams.
FIRST TIME SEEING THE DOPPLEGANGERS OF LAURA AND RONNETTE IN MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I THINK I JUST CAME.
Ryan and Greg! I love it when you two collaborate on a video. Your banter alone is worth the price of admission (admittedly free) but you back it up by being so damn informative and insightful. I wish you two were the ones doing the recaps of the Star Trek Discovery episodes. Hell, I wish it was you two on EVERY GameSpot Universe video.
I was smiling about this until I read the Star Trek part of this comment and now I am sad
Great job sorting it all out. This video really hits all the points. The Return was amazing, I'm about to watch it all the way through for the 4th time. Always noticing something new.
After I watched Blue Velvet, I really became convinced that Richard is the dreamer. You have a traumatic situation in Blue Velvet and a boy fumbling to solve a crime. He ends up becoming someone he hates as he sleeps with two women and beats one while he does it, showing the need for a Mr. C and the good guy detective Cooper. There’s also a lot of issues with electricity in it around the apartment where problems got down, and it features several of the same actors playing different roles. Of course, that movie also ends like a fairytale, which makes me wonder if that’s sort of the “start” to the dream or that things looked grand, but Twin Peaks is showing how absolutely none of it is settling well or ended as Blue Velvet would have you think on the surface.
I think the only way I’d buy the dream theory, is if it was a recurring nightmare/dream situation stitched together across different points in time of the dreamer’s life. An epic struggle for lucid dreaming and conscious command over dreams/nightmares, throughout the life of the dreamer-and the series only shows us the dream portions of the dreamer’s life. I just feel like the characters’ progression and aging in The Return has too many unanswered questions, too many jumps in time that are inexplicable, that make me feel like the Dreamer is getting sensory inputs from different points of their life, not one big dream. Also, I’m surprised no one brought up it being Audrey’s dream-she is the only one, unless I’m much mistaken, where we are shown that the character is for sure dreaming up entire realities. And she is also the one with the closest, most primal connection to Cooper in season one-a literal schoolgirl fantasy.
It was ALL Cooper's dream!! He even speaks to everyone in that last shot as if they were the characters in the Wizard of Oz. That's my theory anyway!! There was never a murder. Agent Cooper dreamed everything up and finally realized it in the end. Bittersweet but beautiful.
I thought cooper was the dreamer cause of his backstory of him always having strange dreams as a kid, and his mom died from letting an evil man through a door in a dream and cooper had the same dream before her. Then he gets his moms ring from a dream he had and countless dreams reveal a deeper reality for him.
Agreed. Cooper's dream is to be the white knight who saves the damsel in distress. This is the arc of seasons 1 or 2, and its the Cooper we see when he wakes up in the hospital. It's co-dependent with Laura's dream of being saved. But in wanting to save Laura, Cooper inevitably wounds her, and in wanting to be saved, Laura glosses over Cooper's bad behaviors.
In a very short paraphrase; I believe that the dreamscape is a realm that powerful entities are able to use or perhaps live inside of this dream dimension. Things like electrical sockets, vortexes and black fire are all manifestations or vectors through which the supernatural can interact. I believe the entire series is the endless dream of good versus evil, and that dream affects the fabric of a very real twin peaks multiverse and timeline. The characters undergo a perpetual cycle of change, death, or reincarnation as the method of purging evil or darkness so at the end of the journey, one can enter into the black lodge with perfect courage and perhaps merge out of the dreamscape.
The only "dream" theory that I think has any real substance to it is The Return is Cooper's dream, and he's still trapped in the lodge.
Trying to say the original series is a dream just seems hokey to me. It was 25 years ago, and the hints were never there. To say Lynch would come back 25 years later to retcon it into all being a dream doesn't make sense. That's just people reaching to come to the same answers as other works of his, because it's easier to just use the same answer for everything.
However Cooper dreaming up a lot of The Return makes more sense from a thematical perspective. One of the biggest questions The Return leaves us is "What did Laura whisper to Cooper that left him so shocked?" I think the most haunting possible answer to that is "You'll never leave the Black Lodge."
I think there is lots of evidence. Like all the appearances of Phillip Jeffries. He hasn't been seen in 25 years now both cooper's see him in a tea kettle giving them help? Seems really fishy. Diane finally appearing. The oddness of the road houses music and it's random people who talk and have no real point to the story. Him finally saving laura.
@@carybeweary7209 Certain parts being a dream / fantasy, absolutely. Particularly the time travel bit and most of the scenes in the roadhouse.
Also there's lots of hints about everything in Vegas not being real (although there are a couple connections to outside scenes). They could just be a fantasy that the Black Lodge is showing him. Or another segment of that reality, ala the purple room with Naido.
Yooo, I've recently watched again all of the twin peaks, and now see your video in the feed
Great video. Just throwing in my two cents here. I think the show is positing that not just Laura is dreaming, but all of the characters are dreaming and this causes reality to bend to their dreams. Also, we are viewing the dreams from different perspectives and distances. Finally, I think the show is positing that all of reality is a dream. I say this because the show uses dream-like situations and legends from reality, particularly in the lore developed around Twin Peaks. I think Twin Peaks is a microcosm to explore the relationship between dreams, legends, desires, lore and reality. That said, there are definitely different "levels" to the dream, but I am not sure if there is a reality underlying the whole thing.
Then again, I can also see how the whole thing would work as Laura's dream, but with the story of her trauma and "real" situations bleeding through.
Thanks for revisiting this. I like the theory, but ultimately I think the real mystery of Twin Peaks is "Who is the dreamer?", and like with the original series and the question of who killed Laura Palmer, that mystery is not meant to be solved, and this time Lynch got his way.
One thing you guys never mentioned, but I think plays into the idea that Diane (Selwin) might be the dreamer, is the scene in Mulholland Drive near the end, where she's in the car, and it stops like it does at the top of the movie, only this time Camilla appears out of the woods, takes her hand, and walks her along the path up to the house. The look, camera shots, and lighting are so similar to the scene in Part 17, when Cooper meets Laura in the woods, that it's hard to think it was accidental. The difference of course is that Diane doesn't disappear, but she probably wishes she had.
I've also been puzzling over "Billy". We never find out who he is, but I don't think it's a coincidence that there's a character named Billy in Inland Empire, and we're sometimes unsure if he's Billy or Devon. The actor who plays those characters, Justin Theroux, was also in Mulholland Drive, but never appeared in Twin Peaks. So I think "Has anybody seen Billy" was at least in part a joke on that. Or if it was Audrey's dream, maybe it was referring to Billy Zane (haha). Speaking of Audrey, she asks the question exactly the same way as the arm/tree thing... "Is this the story of the little girl who lives down the lane? IS IT?" I don't know what to make of that either, or who it's referring to... Laura's house was in the middle of the block, hardly "down the lane". Maybe Sarah in 1956? Audrey?
Great video. First time watching your stuff, but I really enjoyed it.
Interesting theories, though one that I found most compelling, found here on RUclips, was titled "Ding-Dong, Cooper's Dead". There are several more theories that I found rather convincing, most of them are lost to me now (due to the wide variety of theory videos across this site), but "Ding-Dong, Cooper's Dead" is the one I buy into the most. Alike the title suggests, Cooper is dead and has been living inside his own personal purgatory ever since he was shot at the end of season one. Another theory I liked, to which I cannot remember the name of, mentioned the use of coffee in season three (the more good version loves coffee, the more evil side refuses it, and the indifferent Cooper couldn't care about it one way or the other). Overall, I love the death of Cooper theory most of all because it brings up the "shadow self" and Tibet (which, funny enough, never even gets mentioned in season three).
“The most beautiful dream and most horrible nightmare at the same time” Donna
The dream is the collective fictional experience we all share whilst watching Twin Peaks. WE are the dreamer (as detectives interpreting and occupying this fictional world) as much as David Lynch. Cooper transcends the Lodge and enters our own mundane reality in hopes he can undo the past, which is a metaphor for the Return itself, but of course its 2017 America and no one really remembers or cares about Laura Palmer anymore.
haha nice video editing guys! good job, made me laugh and raised my mood cuz u continue talking about twin peaks, so cool :)
Thanks for watching, we're so glad you enjoyed it!
I think everyone is the dreamer and that different dreamlike scenes are different dreams of different characters on the show. "Who is the dreamer?" is not a clue for how to interpret the show as a whole, but individual scenes. It opens up a whole new question though: Who's dreaming about who, and why are they dreaming it?
Awesome episode guys!! I really enjoyed it! ❤️ Also loving that SVE shirt Ryan!!! I knew I should have picked that one up on her recent tour. 😢
thanks for this, looking back at this art masterpiece is so nice of you
really enjoyed the editing on this video! LOL
You mean inside Audrey Horne's mind, right? She's "the little girl from down the lane". She is clearly mentally disturbed. Go back and watch the first couple episodes of the show. Her behaviour is insane. Her brother has an intellectual/emotional disability. Her dad and uncle are both deranged. She even says her family has a history of mental illness in one of those early episodes. Audrey's dance? That was never normal. It's all been inside her head from the start.
The David Lynch cinematic universe.
i think that the 'cooper' who brings carrie page back home is neither 'mr. c.' nor 'the dougie half'...i think it it the absence of those two halves from the dale we know and love....like a pendulum that doesn't swing, the way kyle portrays him it's as if this 'cooper' is just the middle part, with the attributes missing that make this agent 'special'...
So happy to hear theories about Twin Peaks! I hope I'm not dreaming!
David Lynch is the dreamer!
He is the dreamer and he invited us to his dream
. This is all very plausible. Another fan posted that Audrey's "husband" is Audrey's other self. But I think Lynch and Frost really wanted this to be open to interpretation more to a painting. Lynch, who is a trained painter, on interviews, wanted his work to be open to interpretation and be very layered. Paintings are meant to have layered ideas/meanings and that is the genius of Lynch and Frost. Lynch and Frost also reference Jung throughout. Still No one has ever discussed, or mentioned the Town of Twin Peaks as the major character/force that manipulates the Jungian dream that permeates throughout the entire running narrative of the Twin Peaks Trilogy . To truly understand the concept of Twin Peaks perhaps reading Jung's treatise on Dreams and culture would clarify more
Guys im pretty sure that we are the dreamer. Twin Peaks fans. The Return is our collective dream about wanting closure to the series.
Ooh I love and hate this in equal measure.
@@anomalousoddity That tends to be the status for most Twin Peaks fan theories
@@mattemery4081 you proper tripped me out bc I think maybe perhaps you are terrifyingly correct and I badly don't want you to be haha
@@anomalousoddity Bahaha, what have i done. Its just that whole repetition of the line "we live inside a dream" that makes me think that what Jeffries is referring to is actually the fiction of twin peaks. like he knows hes in a fictional world and its driven him insane. If you think about it the only time The Return felt like 100% original recipe Twin Peaks was when Cooper came back to the real world. And he immediately rights all the wrongs and returns twin peaks "back to normal" just like the audience wanted. He gave the closure to the series and fixed Twin Peaks. And When cooper in the return sais "I hope to see you all again soon" hes kinda the mouth piece for the audience. I'm not sure if that makes any sense but that's just my theory.
@@mattemery4081 makes complete sense. I love it!
This is an interesting theory! I agree that the "who killed Laura?" arc and parts of season 2 make a ton of sense as Laura's dreams. I had never really thought about it, but some of the dialogue really does sound like Laura's illusions of grandeur talking. It's nice to think that Laura would dream that Ed and Norma would end up together, Shelly and Bobby too. It's interesting too to think that maybe Leland really was abusing Laura, but her subconscious tried to rationalize it by blaming his actions on a demon possessing him.
But, I don't think I buy into the theory that it's ALL a dream..... it's a great theory but it doesn't really make sense. SO many things happen in the show that have nothing to do with the main characters (the mill subplot, James and Evelyn, the entire Windom Earle subplot), and the "Lynch's inception" explanation just seems like a huge copout sadly
That was awesome guys! Thanks for proving that I'm not the only person who's mind wanders back to those intensely strange yet captivating 18 or so hours.
More twin peaks please! Maybe a rewatch?
Loved hearing your theories!
Thank you!
Perception is reality.
You made a believer out of me. I’m thinking it’s the combined dreams of twin peaks residents that make up the show. I’m toying with the idea of people’s best and worst thoughts comprising this alternate dimension (white/black lodge) kind like persona. OMG, twin peaks and persona exist in the same alternate dimension!
Love the creative editing in this show.
'The Greatest Mysteries are the one's never solved'
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Thank you guys. It's really really (not dreamy :) good to see you talking about Twin Peaks again. I'm not soo convinced about "the all dream theory" but we all know every theory is, not equally but, true in some ways. This is the reason why we love this show so much, I think. Anyway... you all mention about David Lynch and his ideas but not, even once, Mark Frost's. Lynch said (in "A Slice of Lynch" video): "Mark Frost is at least 50% of Twin Peaks ". I think, even if the all dream theory is "real", this would be Lynch's idea, not Frost's. You might be right about agent Copper, he looks like an imaginery character but acording to Frost's Final Dossier agent Preston is very real, she doen't belong anyone's dream, I believe.
@Eileen Farrar shes got some nice twin peaks thats fo sho haha
I love the content guys, keep it up!
Thank you!!
My take on this is that, yes it's Laura's dream and Diane's dream and even characters dreamt into existence's dreams, and that they're interacting with parallel dimensions, too. Reality, dreams, and the dimensions depicted in The Return are possibly less separate than we perceive them to be - at least in the twin peaks world. Theoretically the cause of this has to do with atom bomb tearing through these curtains. The clues as to Parsons, the occult, and the atom bombs significance, as well as the meaning-making of indigenous people who bridge the dimensions and dreams are also found in the Secret History of Twin Peaks, too. Funny how in that book, the agent muses that perhaps some experiencing UFO phenomenon were perhaps interpreting these things in different non-UFO ways due to their own perception bias. It's prob the opposite, actually - people see UFOs because their minds are somewhat conditioned to interpret strange or hyperdimensional phenomena through that lens.
This is fantastic and thank you so much for it!
There is an "Inception" related scene -the scene with the railroad crossing -where we the audience are "waiting for a train".
Audrey is the dreamer. Do not forget that Mulholland Drive should have been a spin-off of Twin Peaks with Audrey as the protagonist. With that, the narrative should have been told from her perspective! I believe David Lynch has already given hints of this in the first season: In one of Audrey's first appearances in the series the camera shows a close-up of his shoes, which can be clearly interpreted as an allusion to the Wizard of Oz, where Dorothy is all the time trying to get home. It would also explain her infatuation for Agent Cooper. Basically, Audrey created this alternative universe to escape the tedium that was to live in a small town where few things happened. But in the end she dissociated herself from the current reality and the dream came to life.
Well.. I think David Lynch is the dreamer. He is in real life!
nothing is a dream until cooper and diane enter lauras dream in episode 18, people can see ghosts or cabin inhabitants if they have special abilities or are sensitive to them it was stated in the previous seasons.
Sarah is Judy, when we here her voice at the finale it is her entering the dream, and lauras scream is proof of this, this triggers the trap laid out by coop and the giant and the goodness of laura and the evil of judy perfectly cancel each other out erasing all existence of the two and coop whom was also trapped inside the dream trap.
What was that Fight Club flash at 15:54?
A lot of what I imagine the original 2 seasons to be is a "What if scenario?" from Laura's perspective. Like mentioned Dale Cooper is the perfect hero to come in and save the day, a lot of the characters are people Laura knew very personally/closely and I think Laura would want some of these things to come to light/brought justice because she does care a lot about these people. To us, the audience, she's this good person who had bad things happen to her and she's got a dark side because of it. But it's almost that mentality of: 'would anyone really care if I died?'
The night she was killed, what "The Return" showed us is Cooper stopping her and telling her to go home, is what actually happened. (Cooper isn't actually there, "The Return" just needed a visual cue to help us get there). Laura never went into the woods. Everything leading up to that moment however was real. Laura's life up to the night "she died" was real. Drugs do damaging thing to a person's mind and warps reality. So after taking her usual go to of cocaine, Laura passes out and imagines the scenario of going to meet up with her friends in the woods and her death is played out. Cooper coming to Twin Peaks. Everyone mourning her and saying good things and showing they care and coming together. A small town is so broken up by her death. Everyone wants to know they were loved even after they're gone.
The stuff going on in Twin Peaks is actually real. The small town is painted as quaint and nice to us the audience to hide how ugly a small town where everyone knows each other really is. Sure you have a handful of genuinely nice people but that's it. There's corruption, decite, betrayal, affairs, etc. Everything Laura is telling us is true. Dale Cooper and the FBI are real but Dale flips between real situations to what Laura imagines him to be (ex. him going off to save Audrey Horne because that's how Laura wants to be saved. Someone breaking down a door and carrying her to safety).
Now, Season 1 is mainly Laura's dream until....the night Dale Cooper is shot.
The real Dale Cooper (our Cooper) is in a coma and Season 2 is now that Cooper's dream and how he sees everything. Everything we see, again, is both real and painted how Cooper wants to see everything. Laura's dream is intertwined with his (ie. everything to do with Leland, Bob, and Maddie and Cooper saving Audrey, the plot with Harold Smith, that's all Laura's dream territory. Her trying to cry out to the police via her real diary). You could argue her and Dale's dreams are intertwined up until Leland Palmer dies and then episodes 17 thru 22 are Dale's dreams. Because everything after Leland's death is just utter dream stuff and everything is too....'neatly wrapped up/too fairy tale'.
"Fire Walk With Me" is Laura struggling to paint herself as a good person, because as I've stated, everything leading up to the night she dies, is real. The abuse, the drug use, her being sexually active to run away from the pain of it all, it's all real. And Laura is trying to see the good in everyone as much as possible so she doesn't feel alone. I feel like Laura is stuck in a cycle of depression where she's "I'm fine" and smiles to hide it or it's gotten so bad on some days and she's pushing everyone away because nobody would understand.
David Bowie coming in and saying 'We're in a Dream' is correct. We, the audience, are following the dreams of Laura Palmer. Also the number 2 seems to be an ongoing theme: 2 Dales, 2 Lodges, 2 cousins, TWO DREAMS. TWO STORIES. Laura Palmer and Dale Cooper. Dale saying to Gordon Cole, "Do you remember that dream I told you about?" and Laura having her own dreams within the real world story line. A lot of the movie deals with symbolism and nods to both real problems and dream type scenarios. Laura obviously crying out for help but it's almost like a twilight zone type deal where everyone is ignoring her and her situation.
"The Return" is a mixed bag for me. Going back to the real Cooper being shot and being in a coma, therefore "The Return" is set in his mind, mainly. We're following three Narratives: Cooper, Audrey and Laura. The good, the bad and the ugly, if you will.
- Cooper's mind has set up this game of chess between Dougy and Mr. C and we're just following the chess match and seeing the players get taken down one by one. Dougy is the pawn that is the underdog and Mr. C is the foolish bishop who tries to take the board but fails.
- Audrey (who has been either in a coma or hospitalized since the bank accident) sets the stage for The Twin Peaks narrative story line (what's happening there) and the Roadhouse. She is here to paint a pretty neat/tied up in a bow narrative until....it obviously comes crashing down after she dances in the Roadhouse.
- Laura's narrative comes in near the end with us seeing, as I've stated above, what really happened the "night she died": Laura not going to meet up with Jaques, Leo and Ronette in the woods. Laura is showing us, the audience, that none of this happened. Carrie Page is a name Laura could have conjured up to run away from what was happening to her in reality. 'new identity/new life' type mentality. I like the idea that the real Sarah Palmer is calling out to Laura to wake up and get ready for school or maybe hearing that but also remembering what Leland did to her in "Fire Walk With Me" comes flooding back and that's when she screams (just the same way she screamed in the movie). Reality is waking her up. She's not dead. There's no brave handsome quirky FBI man coming to save her. The town isn't thrown into complete chaos and her life is just as she left it when she fell asleep.
Anyway, sorry for how long this is! Just wanted to weigh in my two cents. Loved the video guys! Can't wait to see more from you! ^^
Guys, it has to be Coopers dream (if it is a dream). It’s his head as a background and at the very beginning of the return there is vertigo in the red room showing that he starts dreaming (and every episodes intro showing that as well). The other possible dreamer is Philip Jeffries but that is very far fetched.
I think like the idea that Laura is a trap for Jude and the Giant blew it up!
I found few clues that all this was a dream. The intro is a great example. The too quiet music, a cute little bird, water fall, a smooth river. In episode one when after Dr. Jacoby got hit from the back, there's a close up on his face and in the back ground we hear a 'boom boom' just like someone is knocking on a door but the scene is outside. I think that someone is knocking on the door of Laura while she's sleeping. Speaking of Dr. Jacoby, the first time we see him it's in the Pilote episode and he's having a conversation with 2 nurses. He's telling them: It was a huge fish with a big mouth and started talking to me... Normally fishes don't talk. In dreams maybe. Dr. Jacoby represents something about Laura. Maybe her egocentricity, critical thinking and probably something else.
Another thing: Like most women, Laura doesn't like too nice guys. In Twin Peaks there's a young and attractive man that is the total opposite of a too nice guy: Leo Johnson. He's very handsome, super rude, controlling, abusive, rough with his wife, and dangerous. He forces her to clean the house perfectly, to wash his clothes etc. He's man many women dream to have! I believe that in her dream, Laura Palmer is sometimes in the body of Shelly Briggs and Leo is her fantasy. Notice that Laura is also in love with Bobby like we saw in Fire walk with me and the idea to get caught by Leo is exciting her. There's a decoration on the wall of their living room that represent a dark and impossible love relationship. I see this as a clue. You can see it clearly before Leo is getting shot by Hank from outside the house. Also notice that the house of Leo is under construction but we never see anyone working on it. It looks like a sing of instability and destruction. I heard from a psychiatrist on TV that women who are attracted by violent men are hoping to have a good end with them. And look how Leo ends out: vegetable with a birthday hat and the face in a cake. Later in the series he wants to save her life but ends up with a basket of tarantulas over his head. Season 2 ends with this scene.
If they don't come back with another season, we'll all be living in a nightmare
To me, I don't know if it would matter if TP is "real" or dream. Still is a fictional show either way. I kinda got more of this feeling that the mystery and meaning through my eyes of Twin Peaks is a reflection of the mysteries in real life. Although we do not understand the meaning of life for an instance, we wander through life despite being more or less directionless in the same way that the characters cope with the world. Additionally, in our world we have things that we attribute light/darkness and good/bad despite them being relatively abstract things. In film, you can create a world where these abstract things are physically manifested in places such as the lodges and in people such as Bob. Twin Peaks thus highlights the bizarre of our world in a fictional one in my interpretation.
Jefferies and Monica Bellucci were actually speaking within a dream when they said they were a dream in a dream. This would mean that they were aware of the dream world they were in. When Coop says that they were living in a dream within a dream, it was his disembodied head floating in the room but Dale wasn't actually saying it which could be a dream state. What this means is that there is actually a dream where some people are aware that they are in a dream. And then there are the dreamers who are living in a dream. Now if we get meta, the show is actually David Lynch's dream or fantasy.
You can all agree Mulholland Dr and Twin Peaks are in the same universe? Pretty confident about that!
The viewers of Twin Peaks are the dreamers. Who sits around and discusses their dreams and tries to make sense of things, you know like all of us that watched Twin Peaks have been doing? The dreamers!!!! When we watch Twin Peaks we are living inside a dream...
Is it all a dream? If so, what about the final dossier? And what about the first book: secrets life of Twin Peaks?
I think the “dreamer” changes at different times throughout the series and especially during season 3. We are seeing the different dreams unfold. That’s why the season jumps time and space. Just a theory. 🧐 I’m so happy you all are talking Peaks again! More theories would be appreciated.
The slight, slight problem with the theory is that a "dream" means something else in Buddhism. "Dream" refers to the dream-like nature of reality, i.e. emptiness and constructed nature of the world, and awakening means realizing this reality on the perceptual level, through meditation, which sort of levels up your sensory perception
You guys rocked when twin peaks was on, we can even see its impact on he culture with US and doppelgänger love being shown. I really do not know about it being a dream, I have my own theory which involves several timelines. But I am also factoring in the secret history as well as the final dossier, I think that’s the beauty of this surreal masterpiece of a series. Everyone can take something away from it and make their own decision of what truly happened. Twin Peaks and even us are some of the most thought-provoking pieces of cinema I’ve ever witnessed
My theory: All 3 seasons are Laura's dream, but the new idea is that in this dream Cooper represents Leland. Why? In Ep 17, when Cooper is with Jeffries, jeffires at the end says: remember, then appears Cooper face, and the sound and image of the Palmer's fan. Also, in Ep 18, when Diane and Cooper are in the motel, this is a remembering of the abuse from Leland, Diane is Laura, is hidding Cooper (Leland) face as she does not want to know who is he, and she is clearly suffering all that time, knowing this is something bad.
In the dream of Laura, Cooper is what Laura wishes that his father was, a pure and integrity man, but at the end of season 2, Cooper (Leland) give up and is posesed by Bob. Season 3 is in the dream of Laura, fight between good Coop and bad Coop. as Laura wanted his father to be good.
How can insentient imaginary person (like Audrey) have a dream? It does not make sense.
Guys! Not only you’re back but finally somebody shares my theory about „the real world” and us being dreamers. I was too lazy to share this theory on any discussion board:) but I had faith in you guys. Anyway the only characters who are aware of that are Fireman and Cooper inside his home (the very first scene when Fireman says „Richard and Linda” and Coop bitterly responds „I understand”). So if I have to guess what Laura whispered in Cooper’s ear that would be something like „We’re just characters in a frigging tv show!!!”
David Lynch is heavy into transcendental meditation and Vishnu so the dream motives through his work is pretty obvious. We all live inside Vishnu's dream. Laura Palmer is Vishnu of Twin Peaks.
I personally believe the "it's Laura's dream" theory as well. In reality, Laura is being sexually abused by her father while her mother looks the other way. In her dream, she imagines herself as the perfect victim, loved and missed by everyone. She was also abused and killed by someone possessing her father, allowing her to absolve her father of blame as well as her mother who was shown to be drugged prior to her abuse in 'Fire Walk With Me'. Her mother is also later possessed by Judy, showing further justification (in Laura's mind) for her mother's lack of help.
In comes Agent Dale Cooper, almost too perfect for reality. He's smart, charming, handsome, loving, everything Laura has ever wanted in a man. He's come to Twin Peaks to solve her murder and, in a way, rescue her. There's also Audrey Horne (who may be a real classmate of hers but maybe just a dream creation too), she represents what Laura wishes she could be; assertive, confident, strong, and stands up to her abusive father (even resisting his sexual advances such as in the season 2 premiere). There's other characters too who represent parts of Laura's subconscious (namely Log Lady being her intuitive side, Nadine being her strength as well as her instability, and Shelly representing her feelings of being trapped with an abuser). Some people in the dream are real though (Donna, James, and Bobby are all real friends of hers and I imagine Pete, Catherine, and Josie are real as well).
In the season 3 finale, Cooper takes Carrie/Laura back to her childhood home but she rejects ever having lived there. She even sees another woman she doesn't even know living there, confirming this for her. However, as the two of them are leaving, Laura hears her mother's voice calling for her. This is reality coming in; Cooper asks "What year is this?" because while it may be 2017 in the dream, it's 1989 in reality and the two are beginning to collide. Sarah's voice is calling for Laura to wake up and that's when she remembers her abusive reality, that Cooper doesn't exist, and that she has no escape from her torment so she screams bloody murder as the lights go out and the dream world is destroyed, taking everyone with it...except Laura.
This makes sense to me. Thanks.
☝️This is one of my favorite Top Theories regarding 'WHO is the *Dreamer* that Lives Inside the DREAM(S)?'
As much as I like this theory, only Lynch and Frost know the real truth.
ok. Maybe it was said before but this is what I come up with: it is all a dream, yes, and Cooper is a dreamer. But... It is dream of evil Cooper, the dark one, about being good again. The case of Laura Palmer and death of Anne broke him and there were no more faith in good and FBI. So he became a villain and was very successful in it. But somewhere inside there were a hope. So the story about good Cooper, "real one", who got stuck in a lodge is mirroring his (evil Cooper) desire about second chance and redemption. But it is impossible as it is impossible to bring dead Laura Palmer back home.
Love that you guys are talking Twin Peaks again. Don't love the constant "comedic" edits. Less is more. We're here for the discussion, not this other stuff.
We dream inside a life - But who is the liver?!
Re: the Monica Bellucci dream: in real life, and in season 3, the cafe that Cole and Monica met at (remember, Cole said that she asked to meet him at a "certain" cafe) is called Creperie Plouganet. Plouganet is on Montparnasse. When Monica is looking behind Cole - and directing his attention there - she is facing the intersection of Montparnasse and.... rue d'Odessa.
[When Cole sees the Philly/Jeffries images instead of seeing Odessa, this parallels Cole seeing Laura at his hotel door instead of Albert - both times he's seeing *backwards* when he should be looking forward. I think this is why Lynch flew to France to shoot a single scene - The Return, ultimately, is about Cole wanting to write a story forward, and still needing to look back at the source material in order to ground/frame the story. After all, what was gained by the Monica Bellucci dream? Albert and Cole remembering that Jeffries said "who do you think that is there?" -- there's no indication that they actually learned anything from it - in fact , the end of the scene, between Albert and Cole, deliberately avoids them drawing on any lessons from it. It also didn't really help them to understand two Coopers - they seemed to learn more from Laura's diary pages than they did from Cole remembering his dream. So - the dream represents Lynch attempting to find balance between past and future *in his creation of the story*, and has little to do with the story embedded in The Return itself.]
Also - note that there are FOUR people who appear and then disappear in the Monica Bellucci dream.
*IM SCARED GUYS AM I IN A DREAM RIGHT NOW?*
Interesting conversation, but the point is that dreams and waking experience are part of the same reality. They are two aspects of the same whole. If anything, rather than being a surrealist, Lynch is depicting reality in an incredibly realistic fashion - incorporating dreams and reality with equal weight. There is no cleanly separated "dream world," "dream-inside-a-dream world," and "reality." There is just a multitude of experiences of Life
The Secret History/Final Dossier would need to exist in Laura's (our) reality in order for you to cite it, which is the only way you can say that Judy is inside of Sarah Palmer (which is stated in this video). But it was written by a character from the dream within the dream and includes characters from both the dream and the dream within the dream. So how does this text possibly exist on outside of the dream (again, only if you want to use it to add to your theory), if it comes from the dream and the dream within the dream?
Maybe Laura is the dreamer BUT only once Freddie defeats Bob and Dale becomes aware (superimposed) of this. IE If denizens of the lodges exist outside of time, which it appears they do, Freddie defeating Bob in our present day would mean that Laura was never killed by Bob (spoiler alert) in 1989 and has to continue existing somehow--> in the lodge. Blah blah blah...when Cooper brings Carrie home and Sarah wakes Laura up on the morning after she would have died, Laura is flooded with all of the events that DID happen but now CAN'T have happened, and they become this terrible nightmare for her...and she is also waking up in the house of a woman possessed with Judy..."I am dead, yet I live" is a true statement as long as Dale is on the path to trying to "fix" everything because Bob gets defeated in the future (from when Laura says this to Dale), which also means the present and the past.
Also, the things you present aren't really backed up with any substance from the show, movie or texts other than someone saying "dream." You can do, and have done, a lot better. A lot of time I see people default to one dream theory or another because...it's a dream so it doesn't really need to make sense or add up. That's the lazy dream theory.
Will you guys do a review of the Twin Perfect analysis?
lot of people agreed that the answer to monica bellucci's question is that we the audience are the dreamer. this reality we live in, a la the matrix, is a dream as well. so twin peaks is a dream within our dream.
Twin peaks is the path of the dweller on the threshold. Its is the process one takes as you are initiated into the mysteries and ascend to higher dimensions. There is no mystery here only to those of whom are not initiated into the mysteries.
Look... All of Lynch's works are Dream-LIKE and have to do with changing in realities, perceptions, dimensions and expectations.
So To say Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire, or Blue Velvet is just a dream is .
One of the first initial theories people had after S3 ended was it was all Laura's dream, but that theory can be debunked the more you look into the show. Audrey's timeline is a good point on how it's not just one persons dream. I think Lynch wanted to make that known
Are you’re guy going to to do American Gods season 2
"We are like the dreamer who dreams, and then lives inside the dream. But who is the dreamer?". This is the key of Twin Peaks. We are all dreamers and we see dreams in our own way as spectator. Richard is just a regular FBI agent and he'd like to be perfect agent in. Cooper is Richard's ideal self. But he is also viewing this dream from third person like the viewer of the serie. Carrie has messed up her entire life (body in her living room etc.) since she was a teenager and she has suicidal thoughts. So she sees herself as dead (from third person view) and everyone is loving and caring her as she'd wished. Everything in Twin Peaks was perfectly dreamy like that school boy making that moonwalking dance moves and dancing Horne brothers in Ben's office or perfect cherry pie and perfect coffee. It was too soapy. It's out of this world, it's the dream we're all dreaming. But it's not good dream at all. Like Donna say'd "I am having the most beautiful dream; and the most terrible nightmare at once". It has so many strange and nightmarish aspects, like jumping between different dimensions (Twin Peaks, Lobbies, Las Vegas etc) makes it really creepy. In last episode we all were waking up from that long long dream and we were little confused. Richard was confused and groggy and he still tried to find Laura. Carrie didn't remember seeing that dream at all until she heard "Laura" screaming which reminded her about the dream she saw once. We all had that shared nightmare called Twin Peaks.
I have experienced once same kind of dream in reality. I had nightmarish dream, it felt so real but after waking up I realized there was some really strange aspects which were not right in real life. After few years my friend told me about the nightmare he had and it was almost exactly the same I had.
A lot of the original series soundtrack talks about dreams in the lyrics, so I wouldn't be surprised if everything was a dream all along
Plus I'm convinced by that theory of Diane Selwyn dreaming up Laura Palmer
Where's my Garmombozia?
Laura is the One.
Which plot is more confusing? Twin peaks or kingdom Hearts?
Kingdom Hearts has a plot?
Wasn't Mulholland Drive supposed to be an Audrey spin-off? So, yes.
I think it's possible that everything in Twin Peaks is meant to be telling us truths about our own lives. I don't think it's intentional sci fi fantasy. I think it's someone's idea of what our own reality is. For example, the good and the bad, from another perspective, is like ingredients that taste good or bad to us, like a cake that might have salt as an ingredient, or a dish that has something bitter as an ingredient, and the reason for "evil" is the same as the reason that bad things happen in our own lives. I think there's something about us crying that is delicious to the ones who are behind our existence, as garmonbozia is to those in the black lodge. I think all that is true. Maybe.
For me, some of the more damning evidence for this theory comes from the original run of TP. Audrey, in season 1, saying how "dreamy" everything is... There are more examples that I can't think of off the top of my head from season 1 and 2
Maybe there is no destination. Maybe there is only the journey.
15:53. What was that? Several tries later, "HAHA, I GOT IT!!"
Who is it? I don’t recognize him.
@@michael_g3726 No clue. But I was happy I finally got it. Took me about a dozen tries
Travis Elledge Yeah, took me a while too, even with slowing it down to .25 and then I didn’t even know who it was🤣