Air Compressor Setup Money Saving Tips & Ideas
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- I'm not a big fan of these new inexpensive air compressors. This video should be helpful to setup a entire quality system without spending a lot of $. Chose wisely, then your setup will last you a lifetime. How did you like my cutting torch tip? Actually I found it hard to believe when the vendor told me that the same size tank lasts 5 times longer. That WAS totally true and it even costs less! One last FYI. That shutter door motor is NO longer available from Granger. Other venders still show some yet. The Dayton P/N is 2C831B and it was for 10 to 36" single panel wall shutters. (exhaust fans, etc.) I hope you gained some knowledge from my video and Thank You for watching! Jeff
You have the Best air setup I have ever seen !!!
+not2fast4u2c Thanks not2fast4u2c! Thought it was strange no one was commenting on video's. Just looked in another area this AM. Ahhh - The YT changes... :>)
I have had trouble with the comment for over a week I have to check my newest videos every day
Interesting. It's nice to know it isn't just something wrong here.
Your that guy that every one wants as a friend because you seem cool and you know how to do everything hahaha. Good job dude and very nice setup
You'd laugh if you seen my previous setup's. Actually I got burned bad on one used pump and tank I bought years back. Too funny - a friend brought that up the other day! Like he said that's how them type of folks get so much money (that guy owns a lot of properties/businesses in this area) by ripping others. Anyways it took me a lot of years to get to this point so don't be discouraged. Being patient one can come across a good deal at the right time! Thanks for stopping by and the cool comment, Jeff.
king of compressor set-up..!!! salute..!!!
Years ago i bought a used kellogg American 80 gallon 3 phase compressor changed the motor out for a single phase and have no regrets best 300$ ever i know people that have spent thousands on a new compressor and mine will out run their's
Nice air compressor set up there Jeff. I really like the way you plumbed it through the building as well as the switches, gauges and open/ close valve.
Thank You! I spent some time on the setup but once you get up & running it all seems worth it.
Very Nice set up ...Nice Dyna at beginning too I also have a Dyna wide glide now I am shooting for a compressor set up .... Half as good as that baby would be nice ..... That is one nice system you made there ....thumbs up
You know your stuff. Anyone who understands there job properly in the way you do is ok with me, then I am your new pal from Scotland UK have a great life buddy keep saving the pennies . Alistair
Hello there Alistair. I like when folks say where they are from. This YT thing sure does a great job of bringing people together with similar hobbies from all around the world! Always makes me curious how it would be to live in the different locations. Thank you for stopping by and taking time to leave a comment. And - heck yeah - it would be great to have you stop by again! Jeff. :>)
For a system pieced together its pretty elaborate and very creative. I could see some people say just go by a commercial screw type compressor with a dryer setup. But when cost effectiveness is a priority piecing together is usually the way to go. And your first tank likely catches most moisture the second tank the rest. Each tank id imagine works as a catch can of sorts. But what iv seen commercial setups go for id guess you have a fraction of the expense for one put into your system. And the dual pressure work station setup is becoming a must. I know for my industry to get manufacture repair certifications some of the equipment required runs at over 100p.s.i but most of the tools max at 90. So to simplify any possible mix ups or questions wether you cranked pressure back up or not. There are dedicated outlets for high pressure. Definitly a 10 for creativness and inginuity. . and there are always nay sayers. Everybody can do better they just never do. If who ever thumbs downs this, i ask this. lets see what your runnin..?
Thanks for the video. I used the same method you did to support my compressor. Plywood on one end and springs to isolate the compressor from the building. It works really well.
I have a feeling that in the future there will be a movie about this. In the beginning, it will read "based on a true story". It's gonna be inspirational. Heck, America needs this movie now.
Excellent tips. I was looking for adding a second 30 gal tank to my old 2-stage compressor, but I never considered that the valves may need servicing. Great advice and ingenious layout. I only have a home setup, but I aspire to something like yours!
Don Krasniak Thank you Don. I remember years back I started out with those sears 2 cylinder, single stage with reed valves when one would break it would damage the head too. $$$. Glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. That's why I enjoy doing this!
If you want to make more effective use of that 3 phase starter...L1 goes in and out T1 of the overload to the motor...L1 to T2...now take T2 and run it back up to L3 and use T3 to the other side of the motor...some three phase overloads only work correctly when they see current on all three legs...check the spec sheet on your overload to be sure.
I paint cars for a living 20 years. I've Ben painting I have a nice setup but Man U have a sick. Compressor nice work u did there am going to build my own one .. nice job u did there
Thank you James!
@jeff, I love your videos. Keep them coming. I had a question about your excellent compressor control panel: I didn't understand how shutting the lower switch off (which closes the shutter-motor-powered valve to the shop airlines) prevents air leaking from the system (as you mentioned at about 8:18 in the video)? Are you more likely to have air leaking downstream of the power controlled valve than upstream between your air storage tanks and the powered valve)?
king of compressor set-up..!!! salute..!!!
Thank you!
Geez. Now I really have air compressor envy.
I cannot wait for more! thank you for doing this
Thanks, there are more ideas being pondered at this moment. :>)
I now have a new life goal: to create an air compressor setup that rivals this beauty.
I got a modern air compressor working and its only advantage is the compact shape. the motor and the piston is machined into one unit, so its not serviceable for the most part. Definitely better all around to buy the motor and piston separate, or better yet, salvage a motor from a air conditioner or ventilation blower.
Why are there 11 not-likes/thumbs downs??? Those had to be accidental. What's there not to like?
Great video and tips. What a cool building! That compressor is very quiet for its size, great stuff.
Thanks Craig. I'll have some more building vids coming up in the future where I think there are other areas that can be beneficial too!
WOW, Compressor set up is terrific, how many gallons the air storage do you have?
Can you tell me what the RPM on both your motor and compressor?
Can many amps does your compressor motor draw?
you remind me a lot of my first mentor he taught me out of think outside the box. You are definitely a genius and I would love to be an apprentice for you
A disabled combat veteran have a like to tinker around my shop and make things like you did.
I look forward to more of your videos. Out of curiosity you up north (MN) you have my Minnesota accent
James Martinson Hi James. I posted this video to hopefully help others out & give some ideas. I wasted way too much money on compressors before this setup & didn't want to to see others experience that. When doing mechanical repairs instead of bodywork - the pump don't run very often. I think storage would be in the area of 340 gallons. There are times when it doesn't need to be run for several weeks depending on what's going on. Not sure on the compressor RPM but the motor is 1725 and draws 39.8 amps @ full load. It is a Kellogg pump. The model # stamped on the pump is 352TVX. Did know all the specs when I put things together but that was in the early 80's :>) Minnesota is close - Central Wisconsin is the actual!!!
MY father recently passed father (91) has a john wood company air compressor...or that's just the name on the huge horizontal tank.
However, the pump looks 'identical' to the one in the video, the build date stamped on it is lower cylinder casting is 3/59 and a small metal tag reads "model 331" "serial L424561" but I can't find out the pumps manufacture name, HP etc?
Again it looks identical to the compressor pump motor in the video... any help?
I have a tip to add to your Jeff video compressor system. I did something what you did with my system. I bought a compressor and tank 120 gallons horizontal at auction for peanuts literally. All I did was buy a single phase 7,5 HP motor totally enclosed fan cooled, from a friend who had no need for the motor. Friend price is just great. The pump just needed to have the head reed valves cleaned. The oil I use in the compressor head is Mobil automotive oil 10-40 weight synthetic. This works great and totally emulsifies the oil to make sure no rust will occur in the tank. Just drain the tank once a week and clean white color water runs out of tanks. Worked for me fella.
Thank you for the inspiration. I love the attention to detail and craftsmanship that went into this. I aspire to be like you! I'm picking up an old air compressor to build a system of my own today, I'll make a video of the setup when I'm done.
Tiliy74 Hi Tiliy74. It makes me happy to know that. It's the main reason I've been doing this. I wish YT would of been available when I did these projects where you can learn so many things. I wasted too much money to get to this system & didn't want others to encounter the same. Ive had that pump since 1982. Bought it used. Have done a lot of body work and sandblasting with it. The only thing was I rebuilt the valves some time back and caught them before damaging them where the rebuild kit could still be used. (otherwise it damages the valve housing/seats) Another FYI for you - I run Mobil 1 synthetic oil in it where it can get cold here. And I do have a magnetic heater on it where when it gets below zero out I'll turn on for a couple of hours before starting it. The switch is to the right of that control panel. Don't think that was on the video! But hey - good luck on your build, Jeff.
Dude! I love you. You're like the father I never had... except you work for NASA and I would always feel inferior to you :-).
I wish I had your knowledge. You're a super interesting chap.
+Robert Abiseid Thank you Robert. Things take time. I thought I knew a lot when I arrived at this place in 1986. Picked up so many things since then. Everyone has things they excel at, many times hit friends up for things and if they didn't have an answer they knew someone who probably did. I always found the more people you know and help out the better life will be in the future. Of course now a days this YT thing is such a great source for learning. Didn't have that option as I was growing up! :>)
Clever use of an actuator. My air valve is connected with cables and a spring. You just flip a lever to turn off the air from the tank. The compressor is also equipped with a timer that cuts it off if it does not reach full pressure in 2 minutes. My air is always on because it feeds an Eco air meter in my driveway. If someone leaves the hose off the hook the compressor will not run till it burns out.
your my hero I love that set up great job
Those old Kellogg American pumps are good for more than one lifetime. I do enjoy your setup however somethings can be simplified. That pump is big enough that it does not really need the extra tanks if you set the RPM of the pump closer to it's highest rated range. Where you are airing up more tanks or running the higher RPM, the wear is the same on the pump, one runs longer and the other faster (the pumps ACFM matters the most, tank capacity is second to that aside from duty cycles). The air can be much dryer with a true refrigerated air dryer. The electric valves can be replaced with simple 24V air solenoid valves (simple 24VAC distribution transformer required).
Just a few simplified ideas. I prefer a 24V valve system for a few reasons. The first is that it uses small gauge wire to run the valves. The second is it can use virtually any type of switch system as high voltage is no longer an object. Thirdly, you can high volume solenoids the occupy very little space in the system. Also, solenoids last a great deal longer than ball valves. If you want to go a little more crazy, low voltage controls allow you to make full logic control panels and remote operator stations for valves with little extra wire or parts. You can even sequence and time drain operations with solenoid drain valves.
Dragon Steel hey that all sounds very impressive... I hope you shoot s video and post on RUclips, so we can all have a look at what your set up is?
I should make videos again, had lots of ideas to share. My home setup is not that spectacular, just the compressor. Normally I help people and companies who desire automation and remote functions with their design. When I build the new shop for my trucking company, I will employ many of the options I wrote about. I did not bother with the existing shop as it will get closed down soon, it would be a waste of effort and money. At the shop, I run an Altals Copco direct drive on a 120GAL tank. Without the tank it runs 1" impacts. I'll make a video on air automation on my next automation project then post it.
Your pump has more RPM range left in it's specs than what you are using. May require more HP to reach it since a larger motor pulley would have to be used.
At the new shop I intend to employ a rotary screw compressor on a VFD drive. It will sit on a small 30GAL tank. From their it will feed the distribution network. All locations will employ 24V solenoids that are both turned on locally and from a remote panel. The drains on the down pipes and tank will also be automated. The point is to not only be more energy efficient, but be able to shut the whole valve network down at the days end or in an emergency from a single location. This not only preserves the fittings, hoses, and tools left attached. But it also increases the longevity of the air supply system reducing leaks and monthly/annual costs.
You have a great set up and I enjoyed tips. I am a new owner of an air compressor so this helped. Do you use a water separator?
***** Never used a water separator ( hope you meant to get the water off each tank ) although did consider that thought at one time. I'm not sure if they would get damaged in the winter with the freezing weather... Glad to know the video helps you out & thank you for your thoughts, Jeff.
Dude That setup is amazing.
It's nice to have 3 phases electric 600V system in your garage :)
You got one hell of an air compressor system. :)
Rock&Roll Thanks. :>) I definitely went thru a few before this setup!
I probably get something like this in the garage if i could. Maybe my backyard have space yeah.
So can I get this at Lowes?
J/k! Great video and rig, Jeff.
good stuff, LOVE the attention to detail.
jamie onderdonk Thanks jamie. This setup has served me well here. I wasted too much money thru the years. I was hoping this would help out others to avoid that. :>)
That's a beautiful set up. thank you for sharing.
I have to say you are amazing! just listen to your compressor , it sounds like a train, real beast- you know it has power. for myself I would run 2 1 inch semi tire guns simultaneously. I'd say a 1 1/4 exit line from your main tank fed of to 2 3/4 hoses would be good. Again I will tell you you have a shocking well laid out designed air system I am very envious of!
Hey jeff, I am from Michigan around the detroit area and have been looking for a kellogg 352 pump for a little bit, if u see or know where I can find a used pump at a good price could u give me a heads up. I currently have a kellogg 331TV with two 80 galllon tanks. I would like the bigger pump to help out with running a sand blast cabinet. your video inspired me to build my current set up. thanks for the information!!
Hi Brian, thanks for stopping by. If I hear of something - yes I shall tip you off. Actually a friend gave me the tip on the one I got. I enjoy feedback such as yours where it makes putting these videos together worth the time and the reason I started this YT thing.
Hey Jeff I found a Kellogg 352 in Detroit on craigslist for $100 needs some lower end work which I have parts coming.I went threw the valves and seats can be lapped wanted to find just the valve and spring set. I saw u were using comp air. Is that still available? Also any leads on a single phase 7.5 hp used motor would be awesome thankx, The cheapest I found a new one was $650 on ebay ouch!
O MY GOD, thats an Air Compressor. Mine looks bloody pocket size compared.
Chris Stevens Hello Chris. Sadly I spent too much money on smaller setup's before I got this which it was really what was needed. One should be on the lookout for a good deal. That pump a friend told me about. Kinda ended up as the right time right place thing....
great video. I'm an air compressor enthusiast have been since a kid. have a big Quincy compressor in my garage love it. like the way you installed your system. very cool. thanks.
Your welcome Dave!
thats a nice setup. good video.
Thank you very much Michael, Jeff.
Not hotter then acetylene. In fact it's 5122F for porpylene vs 6300 for acetylene, but if you REALLY want to save money use propane like almost all industrial flame cutting machines do. It's not as hot but the edges of the part are cleaner and you can get propane at the grocery store. - The only thing we ever use acetylene for is welding (not brazing) cast iron. with REAL cast iron rod. 100 bucks to a beer nobody who reads this will ever gas weld cat iron so just forget acetylene and use propane. - and you use an easy to clean tip like the Harris VVC tips. - No down side to it at all in the common shop.
my setup is a mess, its on the someday list
This wasn't my first setup by any means. Some deals can't be passed up.....Was at the right place & the right time for the components on this setup!
Such a elaperate system, so cool,,,,and the shutter switch, neat
Thank you George!
Great tips. Thanks!
Great stuff. Love your approach
Friends tell me that I over-engineer things....It's fun to create things that are different....LOL
I thin your methods are very smart.
Thankx I like that kind! :>)
If I thought of someone making the absolute most of things they have....you would be it.
So far your compressor and tanks master setup is so far the best I've seen on RUclips Jeff,.
Thank you for sharing with us,
OC_VILLAIN Your welcome OC_VILLAIN. When I lived at a different place with a small garage you always need more room. I had an insulated hut outside the shop to keep the noise down. A temp sensor mounted on the cyl head turned a hut cooling fan on as needed and a car muffler on the intake to insure the neighbors stay happy! Glad you enjoyed the video, Jeff
Thanks for the awesome ideas!!
Ohio accent? like the set up.. question on my 2 stage 50gal set up. I'm trying to open the tank ends up but it's seems to stuck for PB blaster, heat and a half inch nematic driver to even budge. any suggestions? I'm wanting to restore my grandfathers ole Sears model. thanks in advance
I hear ya. Always had a hard time on those too. No tips, remember giving up on those too in the past.
You are one talented guy here Jeff
Charles Rinehart Thank you Charles. I really enjoy sharing ideas to help on the choices which one can make/have available!!
Hi jeff you made a very nice video. I wonder if you can tell me if i can use my 24L 1,5hp air compressor to fill another 100L tank because 24L is very small and i can`t do any job with this air compressor.
Ευστάθιος Αναστοπουλος no reason it wouldn't work but it will take about 4x longer to fill. You could also gang the two together and take advantage of all the volume at your disposal
Wow. I have only 10 gallons. Would love to upgrade to like 10000000000000!!!!!!! Garsh darn. You lucky 🍀
Wow. This guy is the man!!!
Do you live in the UP? You sound like a Yooper. Great setup. Love it. I would never need this much air but I love cool stuff like this.
+behrens97 Thanks behrens97. Central Wis. It was a necessity here when doing sand blasting and running multiple sanders at once. This YT thing is neat to see what others create around the world!
Where did u get those big pressure guages bud? Do they come with the little cut in/ cut out lights? And the switch you use to turn on the air compressor is it wired in for 220 or 110?
I love ur build and wanting to make a little panel aswell.
There called flush mount panel gauges. I bought them from Granger. (3-1/2") The cut in solenoid for the starter box is 110v and I have a 5a fuse in line just for that, those indicator lights and shutter motor. I definitely gathered your aware one can't use 1 of the legs from the 220 breaker for the motor to power those low amperage circuits. Good luck on your project, Jeff.
You must live up nort ay? I just got a 1955 Beaird 100 gal compressor I'm going to restore. The tank is 3/16" steel and the compressor pump looks as big as yers!
Cool - Not sure of the mgf date of mine, probably quite close to that 1955 area. Once you get that rebuilt it will probably last a lifetime v/s multiple of the cheap ones now a days!
If you had to buy a brand new pump nowadays what brand(s) would you consider if you prefer quality/longevity over price? thanks...
I bought a saylor-beall 5HP 2 stage for out in the storage shed a while back. More $ than the cheapie's (It's USA made) quite happy with it and had put some serious hours on it several times for projects out there.
this guy is one clever sob
Hi Jeff. You sound like a Minnesotan.
John Anderson Ever so close John. Wisconsin. :>)
2jeffs1 - fantastic video! I love the setup you have built. It's really impressive. I have a question for you: how do have the red light wired so it only lights up when the compressor is running?
It is connected to the 110 lead for the starter box solenoid. I do have a 5A separate fuse for the controls where the 40A breaker for the motor would never pop first. If your setup don't have that starter box and just using the pressure switch it could be connected to one of the 110 leads for the motor or pressure switch. Again - the circuit breaker for the motor is 40A so an inline 5A fuse at the connection for the light should be installed. Glad you enjoyed the video and thankx for stopping by, Jeff.
This is several years after you posted this, but do you still have the DuPont number for that paint color?
How does the red light come on? Did you just put a wire to the motor? Also, with all the noise compressing makes....
EnergeticWaves That's hooked up to one of the 110v lines from the pressure switch inside the magnet starter switch. Then you can put an inline 5A fuse there to separate the circuit from the motor circuit breaker which is a much higher amperage. The air intake on that pump is quite loud. At my previous house years back the neighbors were pretty close. I put a car muffler on the intake line. Big difference. Like happy neighbors! :>)
Hi jeff thats a great set up.Can you tell me the cfm of that compresser pump.I have a 15cfm 3 hp and a 2 hp 9 cfm linked with a delayed start between the machines ,so both moters dont start simultainusly on single phase /240v.I have been told that the maximum air pump size is 15cfm/3 hp moter on single phase/240 v is that correct.How have you managed to connect and run such a big pump on single phase supply.Cheers Steve ruf (uk)
Hello Steve. Can't remember the actual cfm of the pump where it has been so many years. approx 40 - 50 it seems. Here is some info that might be helpful for you. I do remember that pump is rated for a 7-1/2 to 15 hp motor. I am running a 7-1/2 on it. The motor label is 39.8A @ 220 (single phase 1750 RPM) I have a 40 A breaker on it in case anything goes wrong so it will pop it quickly. This is run off a 200A service. I had very good luck with this and never had an issue with the motor. Maybe check what the biggest motor that could be run on what you have there and purchase a pump for that size motor. I enjoyed your thoughts/write up as at my old shop I had considered a similar setup. Hopefully this will help you out Steve, Good luck, Jeff
2jeffs1 Hi Steve. One more thing I'd like to pass along to you. At my old shop the house had a 60A service which the garage also was hooked to. It worked very good. I had this setup running there for several years before moving to here. I only blew the main in the house 2-3 times. The pop machine, window air conditioner, maybe the house fridge, & was welding and forgot to leave the compressor off. If one was to use the welder or compressor separately there was never an issue. I thought this might be helpful for folks who might not have had much wiring experience. It's nice to know what can actually be done....
thats the most freakin awsome air system i ever seen your one smart n crafty dude thanks for the great video !!!!!
Your welcome Raymond!
Hi there! It's realy nice and neat air set! I like this :)
What can you tell about compressor efficiency?
+qmpel The cfm of the pump varies with the size of the motor used. It can be from 7.1/2 to 15 hp to run this pump. Here is the part number of the pump if you would like to check them out on Google. 352TVX
Great setup💯, not like my pancake compressor in the bathroom
Cool setup and great job explaining it. Your shop looks like a cool place to hang out.
+A. Hyder Thank you!
Nice setup man! What are those big face PSI gauges called and where did you find them? I've been looking for those and can't find them anywhere, probably because I'm not sure of their name.
Hi Michael. I went upstairs to check if I had a spare one to get the p/n for you. Those came from Granger. Their p/n is 1x581. They are called 3-1/2" panel mount flange gauge. Granger showed no longer available so I got the manufacture and p/n for you. Ametek 138057. These should come in a 2" size too. Good luck on your project Michael, Jeff.
Thanks Jeff, "Panel Mount Flange Gauge" returned all kinds of hits, so I'm good to go!
Hello Jeff I own a 1983 Porsche 944 and it needs some paint help. Can you help me out? I live in Milwaukee, WI. I would gladly bring it to you. Thanks Sean
Sorry Sean. Just way too much on my plate daily now.
Jeff a follow up on the propylene, I checked with the welding gas near me and he told me that it's hotter, cleaner and cheaper just like you said! but, he doesn't carry it. He could order it. I was familiar with other fuel gases I just hadn't heard of propylene. I guess if the welding shop has a better and cheaper gas they keep it a secret? And I thought he job was to help me stay in business to buy shit from him thanks Jeff!
Hello and I want to Thank You for the follow up. That was very interesting! I was told a propylene tank of the same size as a acetylene tank would last 5 times longer. Sometimes things are hard to believe. I found that totally true. I heard that acetylene costs more because now they have to fill them under water for safety regulations. Another thing is if you transport acetylene you should keep the tanks upright. If not one should wait a day before using. ??? Don't know if that is true but interesting facts if so. Things seem to keep changing with the crappy economy and the place I originally dealt with closed down. The new vendor did refill my tank but like you said I wonder if they prefer to keep this secret where it did seem that way here too. FYI - I did have to leave my tank there for a day to get it re-filled as there was no exchange. I was wondering if that was worth putting in the vid - but if it helps people out I like to hear that and makes it all worth it!
I worked at Don's Johns briefly and they ran their compressed air throughout a large warehouse in pcv pipe. PCV PIPE? That's what i said. Yep that's what they ran it in . about less than an inch dia pipe white in color
bob brawley I always wondered if anyone had ever done that. That sure would make for a quick/easy installation!
Jeff are your main lines copper? It looks like it from the video. Sorry for all the questions but your shop and video's are amazing!! Would love to see a shop tour and more on your auto's! As always Jeff thanks for all the info and help!!
+dave hogan Pretty much all the lines are 1/2" id copper. There is 1/2" steel pipe where it comes down from upstairs. Never had any issues with several tools running off the same feed line. Have a 1/2' hose that slides thru 1-1/2" pvc pipe to the rear shed for a sand blaster feed to do blasting out in the field. In today's times if I had to do things over I'd possibly consider doing things in pvc only for the speed of the install thought. There are so many video's that I want to produce. Some time there will be one on shop tour and layout so stay tuned!
Thanks Jeff. The problem with my pump is that it started leaking air from the nut with a screen in it. The air seems to be coming from the small line from the top of the head. It leaks while pumping and while no pumping. Any ideas on repair? Thanks, David
David Apple That 1/4" line that comes from the head is a pressure release for when the compressor shuts off. Just so you are aware - where their is air coming out of that has nothing to do with the pump valves or pistons being bad. If that had pressure on it @ start up it would be hard on the motor. It's kinda like a compression release on dirt bike & some small engines. I've never had mine apart so I don't know what might need repair or replacing. You will probably see some weights that fling outward after rpm is up to speed. Maybe stuck?? Sometimes things just need an 0 ring too. It shouldn't be releasing air while running just for several seconds after stopping. BUT - check that last. Now - If it continues leaking after shutoff then the check valve that is in that big line from the tank to the pump would be the candidate. That is the one that screws into the tank at the tank. MAKE SURE to bleed all the air from the tank before removing that!!! There should be NO air coming out of that towards the pump. I'd start with that first but it does sound like you might have 2 different issues here. Sorry Dave I'm not the best at explaining things. FYI - Most of the valves I've seen can be taken apart to see what happened. Have fun & hope this gets ya fixed, Jeff
Could you tell me the make and model of your compressor pump? I have one just like it and can not find anything about it in order to purchase a rebuild kit. Thanks
It is a Kellogg pump. The model # stamped on the pump is 352TVX. The 2 is scratched up but I do believe this to be correct. If you Google this you should get some pictures and parts listings. Good luck David, Jeff
Hey buddy
I have an old Schramm built in 1951.
Is it worth the doing a valve job?
Served me well but is getting tired.
Your best bet is checking the availability of all the parts needed and pricing. Not sure how old my pump is . If possible I would prefer to keep mine going when the time comes where those old beasts last so long.
There is just the one pump for all those receivers - how long does it take to reach full pressure from zero? What about the refill time?
It's an interesting setup you have.
Never timed it. One can see the gauge climb while the pump is running, several minutes I guess. Where an electric motor can take 6-8 x the label amps for x ms on startup and no air loss when that valve is off there was a notable drop in the electric bill for sure!
What model is that pump you have? I am think it belongs to the Garner Denver, champion, speedaire family of pumps? I just got a 80 gal champion r15b in my garage.
It is a Kellogg pump. The model # stamped on the pump is 352TVX. The 2 is scratched up but I do believe this to be correct.
That's pretty cool! I have a Kellogg 321tv it looks like it's smaller brother. My tank is dated 1947 still going strong!
That looks like a propane cutting tip. They are two piece. That is mainly what I use because it costs so much less to run. I own my bottles, three oxygen and two acetylene, plus a 75/25 bottle for wire welding. I bought most of them years ago from Airgas and have never paid rent. Can't hardly buy them any more, though. I use the acetylene if I need to do some fine cutting or gas welding. About $45 for a bottle of acetylene and I can refill my 5 gallon propane bottles out of my 500 gallon tank for like 1.75 a gallon. And the propane bottle will outlast the acetylene bottle. Are you using the propylene? What is the cost of the propylene, bottle, etc? No problem hooking up the gauges?
Junk Yard All I've been using is the propylene. I was told it is a hotter flame than the acetylene is. I do own the tank and it lasts so long I think it was 20-30 bucks to fill it. The guy that sold the setup to me years ago said it lasts 5 times longer than acetylene tank of the same size. That was hard to believe but was all true! The gauges screw on with the LH threads same that fits the acetylene tank. The tip is the only difference. The PSI settings are similar too. The only drawback is you cant use your old acetylene brazing tips. I use a smaller one which works good to concentrate the flame more. For all I know that propane tip you mentioned might very well work. Yeah I'd never go back to acetylene and really like the propylene setup!
you can use those two for cutting and for heating metal but in my case I have to have some acetylene around for brazing. I have both because you cant braze with propane or the propylene.
Did you help build CERN ?
2Jeffs I have a old propane tank am thinking of using as a second tank know that I have seen this video I like your set up it looks great.
iwantosavemoney You brought up a point that I must add to. When I started using that propane tank you could slightly smell that propane sent. No biggie - ahhhh yes. If you do body work beware. I couldn't figure out why there was fish eye in the paint. Never had that problem before. It was from that tank. I will flush out after a while and don't matter if you are just using air tools. Just a little FYI for ya.
How would you know what kind of valve kit you would need if you have no idea what type of menu facture made yourCompressor pump
1. Look for numbers on casting
2. Measure
I like Compressors, Air systems, and Gagets.
Watching this vid was very satisfying.....AND informative.
My manual system valve is a drag to remember to shut off daily.
I MUST automate it now! lol
Maybe a few indicator lights for a Jupiter 2 effect as well.
DANGER!
DANGER Will Robinson!
+kmcwhq Glad you enjoyed the vid!! I enjoy tampering with anything electrical. Too funny on the Will Robinson thing - with flapping arms have have said that here too! Seems to get strange looks when a newbie is present!!!
Had to stop back for another 'fix' of your air system.
Some very good ideas indeed.
Have you ever done a Shop Tour video?
If not, please consider doing one, I'm sure we all would love to see all your tools and clever goodies.
Good video, have you ever considered putting some kind of bladder system in a tank? Maybe screw type(internal).
Hi Jeff!
I have a question, I have an ingersolrand t-30 when I shut it down and leave it for a few days I lose my tank of air. I always shut the valve that leaves the tank off and I have checked all my connections with the soap water method and can't find any leaks. So I sure the air is escaping out of the compressor. I doubt I have 500 hrs on it. (bought new) so what do you think?
tim in tillamook
Trask Stone Hi Tim. Believe can help ya on this. 2 places to check. There is a check valve in the large line that goes from the pump to the tank. it screws into the tank @ the tank. If that is leaking the escapes back thru the pump. When I set this up I ran into that. The NEW valve I installed lightly leaked. I took the line off that is in between the pump and tank with some air in the tank to detect this. (Be sure to drain the tank air before removing the check valve) It had a nylon button in the check valve when I took it apart which don't seal 100 %. Made a new one from some high grade rubber with steel sandwiched in the center of it. This material was app 1/4" thick like the nylon button was. Used a small grinder to make the round disc. Seals perfect and never touched it again. I had the material in my hoard pile & don't remember who gave it to me or unfortunately can't tell you where to get some. The other thing could be the pressure blow off when the pump stops. this relieves the pressure on the pump head. Several different types. Check the outlet on that too. Hope this gets ya fixed Tim, Jeff
2jeffs1 Thanks jeff I will do that this morning.
Where do you gets your parts for the compressor I have an old v twin 1947 , I’d like to rebuild if I can find the parts
There was a local air compressor store which was very helpful in getting the parts for mine. Now a days Google your pump if you have some readable part/pump numbers available.
Very nice and organized shop, I like that, and the animals at the end makes it complete.
+Willem Streutgers Thank you Willem!
Been looking for a video that shows extra tanks hooked into main because I have the idea but wasn't sure it would be beneficial or exactly how its done .....studying the way you plumbed yours has given me some ideas .... thanks for posting this ..... Ile have to check out some other videos you have .... Thanks again
Your welcome. Always enjoy the comments. It's nice to know when some of the info helped others out! And - Thanks for stopping by, Jeff
Jeff thanks for sharing your tech tips and letting us see how you figured out how to set up your shop and also save some money. Very well done sir!
What are some best recommendations to make sure I don’t have a tank explosion?
One must always have a high pressure blow off valve in the system. I believe that one is supposed to have tanks tested every so often. Never use an old skunky tank.
man that is a vary nice set up
so great great and smart
amjad amj Thank You amjad!
Thats quite a big pump there! The old stuff is the best, with appropriate maintenance they will go on forever! Good pumps to look out for in the US are Quincy, probably the best recip compressors ever made. Here in the UK they are impossible to find, much to my regret. Very nice job by the way and I'm curious, what is that accent?! Also, that actuator motor used on the shut off valve, where would I find those?
Hello turboslag. Yeah those Quincy pumps are sweet! Too bad you couldn't score one in the UK. To tell ya - I have no idea on the accent. I live in Wisconsin & I'll have to hit my mom up on that some time. The shutter motor P/N for the one you need is 2C831B and made by Dayton. Google the P/N and I hope is would be available where you live. It is no longer available at Granger where I bought them. I just checked and there are other places like eBay showing them. It was used for 10 to 36" single panel wall shutters. When you look one up it will have a L bracket and small electrical connection box mounted to it which comes off. They are for ventilation louvers for exhaust fans. A little more info on how them work. You must maintain power on the motor to hold that arm open. (It's not like any circuits get changed to reverse the direction.) Them draw very little electricity I think like on the order of maybe 7 watts. That is probably more info than you need but It's nice to get things right the first time. But hey turboslag - Its been nice typing with ya & hope this helps you out, Jeff
2jeffs1 Well thanks Jeff, very helpful. I love the way the US is full of useful stuff like those actuators! Tell you why I asked about your accent, I've heard it before in a movie called Fargo, but I guess you wouldn't notice if you watched it as you speak the same way. Very noticable to a Brit though! I hope that doesn't offend, I'm just curious. Very envious of your shop too!
I like your theory on the movie Fargo. Interesting. That don't offend me at all! Actually I never watched much in the movies category but did go to see plenty of bands/concerts though. Really dig good old rock & roll.
now that's just a cool setup
well, almost all copper plumbing anyway, huh. I did see some brass, and cast in there.
how many gallons are we looking at?
+michele vitarelli I believe somewhere in the area of 360.
He's obviously building a air powered space ship.... and likes analog dials;-)
+John F Hendry Shh - That's what is in that big building next door! :>)
I could tell. Nice shop.... you work on some big stuff... must be a big one;-)
Rebuilding an arc dirty pump
Hey thanks for the video hopefully you can help me out I just set up a 80gallon ac and I'm trying to run a lead hose from the compressor (I have a 1/2in ball valve directly out of the tank) to a wall mounted 1/2in filter and regulator then out and up to a hose reel but I can't figure out how to tighten both sides of the lead hose for ex. If you tighten the hose to the filter then try to run it into the side of the reel you can't tighten it. and I'm using 1/2in hoses so I wouldn't want to use a 1/2 to 1/4 reducer and put a coupler on there seems like it would really choke up the system
+Ctyler93 Hello Ctyler93. Google 1/2" union. You will see some pictures and this is what I believe you need to get your project going. You will also need a 1/2" nipple to finish the union install.
i haven a curtis single stage pump and a 35 gallon tank and im wanting to build my own compressor can u recommend a motor that would be good i was gonna take an old grinder and put a pulley on it but i wasn't 100% that it would be enough power or it might just burn out, thanks for any help
steven coker Hi Steven. Not sure on the recommended size of motor for the pump. That is good to know then maybe check some rummage sales. They are a good source for a cheap motor. I don't think the grinder motor would work properly but I know how one likes to use what ya have on hand...
you have your shop ingeniously set up would u mind if i ask u some more advice as i come to it??
Some things are easiest in person when one can visual the entire project, I'll see what I can do tho...
why not have a high pressure system like maybe 1000 psi or so then regulate down. then you can have smaller tanks?
the destroyer then you will need scuba tanks for that standard air tanks can only handle 200 to 250 psi average
i have a tank that is rated for 2750 psi
the destroyer those are some expensive tanks
antique store😂 its fully functioning even had pressure in it
News at 11: Local man found dead with antique gas cylinder shrapnel embedded in skull.
+BILLSTMAXX:) look at his torch setup at 6:00