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@@MrTruckTV I would love to see this review with a 3500 and driving it like a person actually would. Nobody that I know that tows would leave the truck in D driving up or down that hill with 16K pounds behind it.
The 10spd would have absolutely helped. Having a smaller gear split would help this engine stay on its torque curve while in the hard pulls. I really hope that trans finds it's way into this truck sooner rather than later.
GM should have kept the 4.10 axle ratio and gave the 6.6 the 10 speed...maybe they could at least offer it as a Max Trailering Package option? I realize not all end users need max towing.
I'd think they'll do it later as "upgrades." We all know all OEM's plan the entire life of this generation fairly well, including incremental upgrades.
@@ripfletching it's not Ford's transmission. It was a joint venture but word is Ford did more on this, GM did more on the fwd 9 speed. GM doesn't need permission from Ford to us their own transmission
@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: the lower the rear axle ratio the higher the tow rating. That's why medium duty trucks with the highest GCWR have the lowest available rear axle ratio. If we are talking 3/4 ton gas pickup trucks...consumers who tow want the 4.10 (lower rear axle) not the 3.73. GM should have kept the lower rear axle mated to the 6 speed auto. The icing on the cake would be a 4.10 with the 10-speed auto...or at the bare minimum give GM the 10-speed mated to the 3.73 in lieu of the 6 speed. We are not talking about fuel mileage here. We are talking max towing and max gross combination weight rating. Look at Ford, RAM, or Chevy Medium online order guide and towing application. The lower the rear end...4.30...4.88...the more they are rated to tow and the higher the GCWR. It's all about the launch...getting the load moving and keeping the engine in the torque curve.
Great review. They pulled 16,000 lbs, UPHILL, at 2 miles ABOVE sea level, with a GAS engine 3/4 ton SRW! The truck did it. I wouldn't complain about those times, speeds, or brake applications. 3/4 ton gassers were rated for 9250# towing just several years ago. I also would never attempt that. Ponder the physics. This is getting silly.
@@sharkskin3448 I used to pull around a 2 axle flatbed with a 1974 f250 with with a 390 that had been gone through back in the 80s. I've had close to 30,000 lbs on that trailer. 1st gear low range, wide open throttle, pulling concrete troughs through the San Luis Obispo hills on the Chimineas Ranch. Point is that loaded flatbed trailer would've shoved the old ford down the first hill it tried to descent without trailer brakes. With trailer brakes you could just engine brake down the hill. I'm not talking about public roads either, steep, very steep stuff. Sometimes that 390 would get hot & start backfiring when at WOT but it never gave up. Some old timer from Bakersfield rebult it with a bunch of Crower stuff. Thing loped like it wasn't a torque motor when it was cold.
@@elonmust7470 public roads are bad places to take chances, tho. I had medium skid steer nearly push my f250 through a downhill 4-way. The trailer was from an equipment rental dealer. I finished my trip VERY carefully, being a late Saturday afternoon. I'm old enough to not trust other people's shit anymore.
Gasser saves $10k from the un-hackable epa Dmax, so use the extra money for a 50 state legal magnussen supercharger, tow awesome and never worry about DPF or fuel systems again + fill up anywhere.
@@inchaoswearereborn9586 I swear it gets harder every time the GM fun police get a new idea. I've never owned a Chevy (for other reasons) but my friend had a 2004 2500 and then a 2012. His 2004 cost around $600 for a 4" downpipe back exhaust and a custom tuner. The 2012, on the other hand, was around 2k all in. Meanwhile, another friend driving a 2013 6.7 powerstroke spent less than a thousand dollars on his delete and tune.
@@rxonmymind8362 The steering wheel on older GM trucks wasn't inline with the seat. It was offset to the right. I don't know if they still do that or when they stopped. It never bothered me on my '97 GMC though...
This was a good run up the super ike just as the 2017 Silverado 2500 HD Ext cab did with its super ike run but this new truck is pulling more weight and a different trailer which added a heavier pin wt and more wind resistance the flat bed trailer did not have. The '17 run was done with the 360 hp 380 tq 6.0 V8, 4.10 rear pulling a 13,500 lbs goose neck trailer. Time: 10:22 MPG: 2.3 Brake applications: 13 Noise Decibels: 71 Slowest Speed Observed: 23 MPH This '20 Crew Cab Silverado trucks 401 hp 464 tq 6.6 V8, 3.73 rear was pulling a 16,000 lbs tall horse trailer. Time: 11:53 MPG: 2.4 Brake applications: 10 Noise Decibels: 68.7 Slowest Speed Observed: 25 MPH This new run was pretty good considering that massive wind brake of a trailer and added wt. used in this years testing.
This Chevy just towed 16,0000# at high elevations up hill with a small block V8. Sounds like biggest issue was the transmission wouldn't down shift to maintain speed.
Ray D the gear spacing appeared not ideal for that much weight, grade and elevation. Would love to see GM offer a low cost option to pair this 6.6 with the 10-speed.
it would downshift then accelerate to redline then upshift but it didnt have the power to hold the higher gear and then it wouldnt alow downshift again to save the trans. they should allow the lower gear and have programing in to stop it from getting to redline in that gear and hold say 4500ish or so maybe 5000 rpm in that gear until the grade lessens instead of grabbing the next gear and sitting at 3000rpm and going 25
@@gagt5spd Chevy needs to take a lesson from Ford. The Ford V10 was paired to a 5 speed transmission which, the first 3 gears are close ratio, so the tranny can keep the motor in the power up to 65 mph. Duh Chevy!
I’d love to see the same thing, but I predict the results to be underwhelming. I had a 1997 F350 standard cab with a 5-spd manual and 460, and it was a dog. The power was low in the RPM range like you’d expect from a big block, there just wasn’t enough of it, and it drank like a sailor in the process.
It’ll move the same weight, trust me I’ve tried. The speed is not even close, the brakes are not even close, and while that 454 won’t fail, something else will
I can't believe I found you guys like 2 years ago by chance, just searching for videos of fully loaded trucks hauling up long mountain passes. All your videos and series are fun, informative, and awesome!
@@jaycevessier7554 payload. 10-15% tongue weight on a 6k trailer, you’re left with very little remaining payload if you get a loaded 1/2 ton, especially if towing shifting live weight (horses).
Not true due to diesels being heavier engines... gas engines can hold a higher payload. A lot of times on diesels you can outtow your payload and so the payload actually kills your max towing.
Totally hit the nail on the head, it used to be just Toyota putting fake hood scoops on their trucks. Disappointed GM is doing the fake scoop thing too
I'm guessing it's just easier and cheaper for gm to have the same hood for both gas and diesel rather than separate ones? Saves the customer a little money that way and nobody will probably complain about the look on a big tough 3/4 ton pickup.
Finally someone who understands air density.. 5:33 he said " we're losing a lot air density, there is about 30% less".. As in " 30% less air" lol.. Great video!
@@jckdnls9292 Rumor is that if that engine even exists its only going to be used in medium duty applications, which also means it'll be de-tuned for longevity and will probably make less power than Fords 7.3L.
This was a test as extreme as the grill is tall. Seriously, who actually tows 16,000 with a gas truck? Nobody is going to ask a gas truck to do that regularly, they will buy the diesel. Not only is that a lot to tow with a gasser but that hill and altitude as well. Stupid grill and hood height but i think the 6.6 6 speed is a great setup for the right buyer. The person who tows often at under 10k lb, or the person who tows up to 16k once a year will be well served by this truck and an extra $10k in their pockets. Only reason to pass on this is if the 7.3 Ford turns out to be great.
The point is to test the trucks at their maximum ratings to see if they can actually do it and do it well. Otherwise who's keeping the buyers in the know? You're going believe the manufacturer who's trying to sell the truck? You shouldn't. These are good test and represent a very very high level of stress. If you do less you'll do much better. This engine and tranny has a place but it's certainly not this sure, but again people should still be able to know the limits of their $50,000 truck.
@@ldmtag The MPG will be less than a diesel, but add up all the money spent on frequently more expensive diesel fuel, DEF fluid, oil changes, and if anything breaks in that highly complex modern diesel you are out major cash. You have to be towing quite a lot to really save anything.
Nah. 3.73 gets it done. 4.10 is miserable on the highway and interstate, especially if you're in a diesel. I hated my 4.10. Sure, it got my 17,000lb horse trailer moving, but maintaining 70mph on the highway means you're sucking fuel and making a lot of heat and constant boost pressure.
@@KoolCordell no it's not. It's called drive pressure and it's dictated by gearing. 4.10 and above is shit on any diesel 3/4 or 1 ton that sees much highway traveling. The lower gearing causes high RPMs, which causes high exhaust pressure in the hot side of your turbo, and very often is the cause of head gasket failures (along with front cover cavitation on some trucks).
Towing 3-5 times a week and I climb 3 thousand feet one way, I’d absolutely hate hearing that engine rev that high the whole trip, and my mileage would be garbage. I’ll stick to diesel.
Yep. Jeremy really is the right customer for a diesel. If you two every day, diesel is for you. I haven't seen a heavy duty gas engine yet that can pull a load up a hill without assaulting the senses. Ford's EcoBoost does a great job in the F150. It can pull the Ike at 3500 rpm and not sound like it's screaming for mercy. Somebody needs to make a turbo gasoline engine for heavy duty applications. Naturally aspirated can't do the job at high altitudes.
You and me both... a high reving gasserr can't be that durable for much heavy towing anyway.... don't quite get what the factory engineers are thinking....
I'd like to see that too. The only two DNF's they had were Fords. Interested to see if the new engine is any good. I prefer gas engines. I don't tow all the time just occasionally.
I'm not a Ford guy but I'm very interested in that new 7.3. Finally Ford went back to a pushrod engine for a HD application. OHC engines have their place but they're not for everything. I am disappointed that GM didn't go larger for their HD gas option.
@@daneh8434 Gm trucks have always been about the total package instead of numbers. They've always been competitive and functional despite not having the biggest numbers. I agree with Ford going back to a simpler larger engine. That's how HD engines should be.
With the 7.3 being paired to the 10-speed, I don’t think it’ll be a contest against this 6.6. I understand GM’s reasoning for keeping the 6, but it showed in this video as being the weak link in ensuring the vehicle was always utilizing the engines power and torque.
@@ALMX5DP The number of gears aren't as important as the ratio of gears and the transmission tunning. The gm 6 speed has always been a good tranny. If the ratios are matched to the engine it should be fine. Something seemed off with this truck. It seemed sluggish to shift like they didn't have it tow/haul mode or something. Also gm changed the rear gear ratio witch doesn't help. It used to be 4.10. I am curious to see how the new Ford does.
Considering a tradesman will get this truck 10 to 15 years later, the 6 speed is better due to cost to repair. The truck should have came with a 4.10, but that's a cheap easy upgrade most of us can do.
I love your towing tests. Do you ever do Ike gauntlet test with heavy payload? As a truck camper guy it would be great to know how the new crop gas and diesel HD dually trucks handle 5-6000 lb truck campers!
I don’t agree with changes in the benchmark times and mileage. If manufacturers are going to raise the tow ratings to heavier loads by increasing torque and horsepower as well as frame and suspension mods, the times should stay the same.
Oh bs. It was screaming up the hill at high rpm. Aka max hp. Nothing extra gears would have done. No power is no power! The gm 10spd has 3 over drives . Good for empty highway driving but useless for towing. So a 10 spd is only a 6 or 6sp when towing
@Andy Hass If you notice, anytime the engine was over 4,500 RPM it was able to accelerate (not just maintain speed) till it would shift into the next gear (mainly 2nd to 3rd). When it hit 3rd gear it was at 3,600 rpm which is not enough power to hold speed and then it would slow down till it down shifted. Having more gears allows the engine to have more places where it can hit 5,000 RPM and over. The 10-speed would have a gear ratio in between 2nd and 3rd on the 6-speed and allow the truck to rev higher in this gear while going the same speed like over 4,000 rpm at 60 mph not 3,600 rpm in the 6-speed. With a 16,000 lb trailer it’s not just about power, it’s about at what speed (MPH) this power occurs. Exact same reason that a lot of semis have 18 gears. Also, a 10-speed will have a similar top gear ratio as a 6-speed, the 10 does have a wider spread (meaning more lower gears). The 10 speed has 7 gears under overdrive, the 6-speed only has 4.
Its not the transmission its the tune. It was upshifting when it had no business to and waiting way too long to downshift again. Hopefully they come out with a software update soon to address that. If they would have put the truck in manual mode and selected an appropriate gear I bet they could shave 1:30 off that time.
I bought a 2008 Tahoe, had the cylinder deactivation turned off, removed the cats, had the SUV tuned, installed 22 inch tires and an Eaton Tru Trac Rear End with 4;56 gears..My mileage only went down a few 10ths of a MPG from the 3;42's ..My first pull was another Tahoe on a 2300 pound trailer up two 6 to 7% grades that were around 2 miles long. With around 8000 pounds additional weight it did very well up those grades with just a 4L60 4 speed and a 5.3 with 310,000 miles...😁
Yeah I think the 3.73 is the culprit here. I think you guys tested a 6.0 with a 4.10 before and had a better result. 4.10 would have helped with the down hill potion as well.
You will have to walk around one of these trucks to realize how big they actually are. I bought a similar 2020 GMC Sierra and the height of the front of my hood is almost 5' off the ground. I have to use a folding stool in order to check the oil. The oil change tech uses a stool to reach the engine compartment. You need the step built into the rear bumper to climb into the bed.
went from a 1500 5.3vortec to a 2500 duramax that was the best move ive done and i only pull a 6000 pound trailer. the 1500 wasnt cutting it. it even was worse when i ended up getting a set of nitto trailer grapplers 33s on it and boy it struggled bad with the 1500 5.3 engine!!
Would love to see an episode where you went manual and kept the engine in the power band to maintain speed. That’s the only weakness of the vehicle test y’all do.
What did you expect from a naturally aspirated engine at an elevation of 11,000 feet with thin air? With a few slight modifications she would do great. Add some air suspension to the stock suspension and that will take care of the squat issue.
It did the job like GM said it could based off ratings. However going that slow isn't safe. So I'd say it's a fail. It's need more gears and a 4.10 rear end for something like this.
@@MrComputerCoder lol, It's perfectly safe to go that slow. Here in Montana there's a pass that if you're over like 10 tons GVWR you can't go over like 35 mph,especially down hill. Just put your flashers on and sit behind a semi and you'll be just fine.
Love the max tests, but it isn't apples to apples when comparing to the Ram. I'd like to see a test where you have the big three that all have the same exact trailer and tongue weight and same rear axle ratio. The gauntlet with the Chevy and Ford was over 16,000lbs and the Ram was 14K. So it's really a Ford vs Chevy battle. Load up the Chevy and Ford with the trailer weight you put on the Ram and see which performs better.
A more realistic test with those three would be to have them all tow something like 10,000 pounds. People towing 14,000 or 16,000 pounds will probably buy diesel pickups.
I would suggest having different benchmarks for Gas and Diesel. Two different animals with different pros and cons. I would also love to see how this thing tows at lower elevations. I live in Texas. I think the performance would be way better down here at 1,00o ft elevation but I would like to know just how much.
Good review guys. All Big 3 Mfrs. have good things going for them. Use to have Ram 1500 Bighorn and was completely reliable. Had to say goodbye because suspension was too soft even after upgrading coils and not enough truck with wind gusts and all with our 31 ft. 7000 lbs. Toy hauler and 1060 lbs. tongue weight. With 1500 miles on our new 6.6L gas version Silverado, Unloaded I’ve achieved 16.7 mpg twice now on trips of about 450 miles and A/C on. I have an LT, 17” tires, Z71 Double Can 4x4 for those interested. I’m civil with my pedal. Truck technology is just right for me; don’t need huge screens (8” is good enough).
@@panthermartin7784 it's not a grocery getter. It's a work horse torque monster. What's funny is people buying diesels that don't own a trailer, but to each their own.
@@panthermartin7784 the Technology is there. Does a big engine at low rpm doing the work a small engine has to have high rpm to do, which burns more. My 6.0 got worse mpg than my 8.1. I've got real life numbers and a grip bud hahaha. Why do you think ford has came out with a big block 7.3?
Panther Martin77 you mean like me(small company). I’m planning to go back to a gasser I the next couple years, cuz all the EPA emissions shit is killing my productivity and checkbook now that the warranty is bye bye. Have some time to decide between the new 6.6, 7.3, or whatever Ram is selling in 2021-2022.
Great video! Seeing how this truck was hitting the bump stops so much I would run Timbren load cushions with a Roadmaster active suspension to help control the weight with all the money saved buying a Duramax.
Great content as always! It would be cool to see a comparison of how each truck's score stacks up to the competition at the end of each of these Ike Gauntlet runs
OK, love the show, I live in CO and tow as well. Your show is getting bigger, so now time to get better. How about another run with you manually shifting? How about 10 miles in some hills and not the steepest tallest mountain most people will hardly drive (but I do like that too!). How about some transmission temps? How about a REAL life test meaning, many of us tow way less, how about about pulling like 9k (simulating a TT) and manually shifting like we do in real life? Lots more info could be put in these videos. Keep up the good work!
So looking at the old videos. The Chevy 6.0 gas towed 13500 lbs in a time of 10:23 with 13 brake applications. I’d say it’s an improvement over the 6.0
We are placing orders at work for a new fleet of 40 new 3/4T trucks. Ford has burned us in the past with reliability issues, but the way these new GM Heavy Duty trucks look, we ordered Ram instead.
Colin The 6L90e is a bulletproof transmission. With the high engine rpm and the power reduced by a third due to low air density I’m sure the transmission stayed cool.
@@jameschance5507 So you know the temp would make a difference but you also know that it was overheating. Do you know the difference between fact and opinion?
Please when you guys get your hands on the new 2020 Ford 7.3 V8Zilla 10 speed can you guys take it up the Ike Gauntlet I really wanna see that thing work
I know Ram didn’t perform well in the past, but I really think it will vastly improve with the new 8 speed. I’m not a GM fan but it was truly disappointing to see a new engine in a new truck come out with the same OLD six speed. I’m excited to see these gas truck comparisons with this kind of weight. How about adding the Ford 6.2 to the test also to see how it compares to the new 7.3. Im really considering my next HD purchase to be a gas because the maintenance of these new diesels scare me. I don’t tow often (maybe 10 times a year), but when I do it’s normally around 13-15,000lb.
Ram didnt perform well because it went into a mode designed to save the transmission. Ram limits the amount of time you can be in 1st gear full throttle, after the determined amount of time it holds the gear but limits power and speed to protect the torque converter from ballooning from excessive internal heat.
"This kind of weight." I'm waiting to see that 35,500 lb. rig that GM says they're best-dressed is capable of--towing up the Ike, but from Grand Junction and multiple times in a row on a really hot day like it's doing material deliveries. That would be entertaining. HD pickup manufacturers have lost their collective minds to their marketing departments.
@@LemkeR Yeah,preferably mine so I can buy a real truck. If anyone wants a loaded 18 ram 2500 4x4 sport megacab,hit me up. I would love to let this pos Cummins go & it's in a color your wives are sure to love,just incase you need to fly it past her for approval. I'm wanting a 2020 superduty crewcab tremor with the 7.3
The fact that you guys had to drop below 30 mph is really concerning. Some people are here commenting about how gas trucks arent for towing but these are the tow numbers CHEVY PUTS ON THE TRUCK. I think they need to get rid of the 6 speed, its design is decades old at this point and no longer allowing the truck to be competitive.
Just watched the new 7.3 Ford video and came back to this one to get an idea of how much better the Ford is and it’s obvious that the actual real world difference is a lot bigger than the numbers would suggest.... GM powertrain engineers clearly didn’t map out the shift points properly ,as he went thru the lights at the top at 2500 rpm foot to the floor,that trans should have downshifted to a lower gear at that point. I’ve seen this before with GM ,they just drop the ball on programming.
Great video guys but Gassers are different Um I think that people will see this a say yeah towing across the higher territories in this country yeah diesel is the way too go but stay locally their great trucks anyway can’t wait for the Ford !!!
I’m a ford guy but in defense of the Chevy people who are going to tow that weight are not going to buy a gasser. Mr truck they need some summo bags you were pimping. Great video I do think it needs a few more gears as many have said. I will be interested to see the big Ford and ram but again there gassers too so with this weight I’m not expecting any crazy good on the Ike. Maybe capable for us flatlanders in the Midwest.
I have a 1 ton GMC with the 6.0L gas engine and I tow a 14k pound fifth wheel. Does just fine for me other than the fuel mileage which is why I kinda wanna upgrade to a diesel but they're just another 10k dollars I don't really have and with the EPA cracking down on non emissions tunes and delete kits, diesels are going to be garbage once those systems fail and it'll be another 10k dollars to fix it, so why not just buy a gasser and save money upfront and hopefully down the road.
dedalliance1 definitely room and need for a diesel. I don’t think they will be garbage and there’s always ways around things. But I understand your concerns. This might deter some people who just want a diesel to say they have one. If you are towing loads like they are in the mountains a diesel is a must
@@joesainato8051 Well, I bought my camper in Colorado, not too far from where tfl is and then I drove it up to Montana and have been living in the camper for like 5 or 6 months now while working, and I've taken it over passes and out camping and it does just fine other than going a little slow. You say owning a diesel is a must but honestly they're not. My truck is rated at 13,700 pounds max towing and these new GM's are rated at 16,600 and that's enough capacity to tow many large fifth wheels and campers and horse trailers and flat beds and car haulers, my brother in laws dad has like a 40 foot aluminum car hauler enclosed gooseneck trailer that weighs like 7k pounds and then he puts his 2001 duramax drag truck in it which brings it up to like 14k pounds which even that large of a setup is within the limits of new gas trucks. So what exactly does someone need a diesel for? The only advantages of a diesel is to maintain speed better when towing, and accelerating, better fuel mileage, and better reliability as far as putting a couple 100k miles on it. But with emissions now destroying new diesels, with high labor rates and higher fuel costs and oil costs over a gas vehicle, you really have to ask yourself is going a little faster worth the risk of everything that could go wrong with a modern diesel? I can't speak on the new 6.6l gas engine, but the 6.0l has been in everything from 3/4 ton suburbans to work vans to pickups and more since the early 2000s and hundreds of thousands of them have gone to 200k+ miles, which is just as reliable as a lot of modern diesels. My sister and her husband both have a 2012 or 2011 Silverado diesel 1 ton, both emissions systems have completely failed in them in under 200k miles, which would cost thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to fix the legal way, one of the trucks sat for 2 years because they lived in a county with smog control and couldn't afford to fix it. The other one failed when they were a thousand miles away from home with a horse trailer, they would have been utterly screwed if they couldn't have just walked into a delete shop and strip everything, that's not legal anymore, even in the slightest. And trust me I still want a diesel personally just because I want the fuel economy, but the way this world is going with tree huggers and anti coal and anti fossil fuels I wouldn't be surprised if they outlaw diesels all together and maybe even gas trucks in 20 or 30 years. So what's the point in buying a forever truck if forever might end just down the road? But that's just speculation who really knows what will happen. All I know is modern diesels aren't all that they're cracked up to be.
dedalliance1 I hear you and agree on most everything you have said. As many say the emissions is the bad part of modern diesel. It’s unfortunate because ultimately motor vs motor minus emissions the diesel will most definitely outlast a gasser but as you stated a premium cost. I understand ratings that are given to trucks and there max capacity but let’s face the reality if you are working that truck at max capacity failure is much more likely to happen. Just for the record I have a gasser and always have cuz my trailers are at a weight I don’t feel I need a diesel. I’m like you I would like to have one but until I deem it necessary I will stick to a gasser most likely.
@@joesainato8051 Yeah you don't really want to put trucks to their max all the time, but they also might hold up to it too though. Have to realize that the max towing is based on pretty much 3 factors, reliability because when the truck is under warranty or extended warranty, it's up to the provider to pay for the repairs and so they don't want to pay anything and they make the vehicle so it at least lasts that long. And then there's safety, what rules and regulations do they have to follow to get the tow numbers certified, and then bragging rights and looking good on paper, how far are they willing to stretch the numbers to get a class leading number. Kinda like Dodge, great diesel engines, but they've had transmission problems and rust problems, but you can do anything to the engine and it'll go for a long time, if you can afford a new transmission every so often lol. That could be the case with the new 6.6l gas, maybe it's just the transmission holding back the performance and the reliability. But only time will tell. I just like diesels because they get 20 mpg highway where my truck might get 13 if I'm lucky.
G.M.'s latest is still 10 years behind Ford. Sad. Plus, they got rid of the Active Fuel Management on this truck because they know that it's been disastrous, but Ford has implemented their Variable Cam Timing on the 7.3L.
In my opinion turbo straight sixes would be great truck engine cuz they were a great truck onions for a long time even the ninth generation Fords with those 300 straight six those were great I think those things are better at towing than the 5.0 at the time those were better at time They used to put those in huge f700 dump trucks They never put the 302 in the dump truck cuz it couldn't handle it The reason they don't do it is because it would be as bad on gas as a V8 They were notoriously bad on gas but maybe a modern age inline 6 turbo could be better than a V8 and better than a turbo V6 durability wise they run like tanks
Yikes! I'd hate to have to spin that engine that high all the time. Curious to see how the Ford 7.3L gas does. The new Ford would be my truck/engine of choice if I was buying a new gas tow rig.
That's how GM gas engines are, the 6.0 was the same way. It makes you uncomfortable, but there are many satisfied 6.0 owners that abused theirs for 300,000+ miles. A 6.6l LT derived v8 could make over 500hp, but it's detuned to be beaten.... In this case, severely!
Use my 5.3 for towing and the rpms are high all the time like this. Almost 300k on it now and still doesn't burn a drop of oil (leaks though lol). Chevy truck motors are definitely reliable.
Gasoline engines are built to spin high. That is how they make their power. The Ford 6.2 spins up even higher (although it can handle it better because of the SOHC). It is not unheard of for extreme duty gas engines to last 300,000 miles or more without major failure. One guy on the Ford Enthusiast forums is a hot-shotter that had 438,000 miles on it before the cam started wearing.
you should do an ike gauntlet with older used trucks. like say 2005-2010 2500s for the people that need to tow but cant afford a brand new truck! as a bonus you can compare new trucks to the older trucks to see how the new ones really perform
Gotta say at least in body color (with a light or bright one) the CHEVROLET bar is growing on me. It's hideous on the W/T in black; maybe if they painted it white for the W/T it'd blend in on a white truck and have a retro effect with any other color.
@@nlpnt the lightheads are hideous. Not that a truck is supposed to be pretty. But the RAM's are gorgeous, Fords are meh. RAM has the best interiors and technology, and the Almighty Cummins. Ford has the 10 spd across the line, and the best engines, at least on paper. Chevrolet has nothing going for them! Not even exterior looks! GMC looks quite nice outside but nothing relevant beats the competition, and their prices are just ridiculous. I cant imagine why people would buy Chevy in 2019, other than brand loyalty and good deals on base models.
The more of this channel I watch the more open minded I get about best what is the best truck. I was a brand loyalist, but I can now see myself considering trucks of other brands from my historical favorite.
I never thought I’d say it (even though my current ride is a 14’ ram 2500 6.4 hemi-really really liking the truck) always been a gm guy. But out of the three I think the new Ram 3/4 has come the furthest. The 8 speed and 6.4 hemi is perfectly matched. If I could have swung it I’d have a new one for the tranny and engine combo alone. The pickup of the 8 speed and 6.4 gasser reminded me of a once 6.0 diesel I had for a short while. You can’t go wrong though with any of the new trucks today. They’re all pretty solid in their own right. When’s Yota coming out with a 3/4 ton that’s the question?
NO WAY! Would I spend the extra 10 grand for a oil burner! Operating expenses plus the price of diesel dont make sense to me. My 6.4 Ram pulls my 9000lb boat with ease. And I dont have to worry about replacing injectors or making sure my DEF tank is full. I think its pretty amazing the power manufacturers are able to get from these engines. That truck was loaded with 16000lb!!!
Thorsten I had the 2017 with the six speed I agree with you opinion it killed the motor performance now have the 2019 power wagon with the 8 speed one of the finest working motor transmission combo ever drive one when you can you will be impressed
Just goes to show that diesel is king. There's a reason why most of the HD trucks sold are the diesel option. I dont think most people care about the roughly 10k price difference. They care about their towing experience. And honestly daily driving the diesel is a lot of fun too! Damn these new diesels have power! Go diesel and never look back. If you're gonna spend this kind of money on a truck. Honestly 10k more isnt that much when taking the price of what these trucks already cost into consideration. And who's worried about things breaking on the more expensive diesels? Probably not many as well. Thats what warranties and extended warranties are for. People buying these trucks I would say can afford the warranties and can afford to fix them.
Damn the Ike Gauntlet is a tough test. Not a motor I would go for if I was towing these weights, but as you say the Diesel is 10k more and that's too much of a price increase over the Gas.. Great work guys.
Poor girl needs the 10-Speed, that engine has the power to do better. The 6-speed is a time tested and proved setup, but the gears are just too far apart.
@@andrewsbbq Gassers have a more sensitive torque range. Being able to keep it in the highest power band rpm is key to a gasser towing. It didn't look like auto shift was working well. I would have put it in manual to make it up shift.
@andrews If you notice, anytime the engine was over 4,500 RPM it was able to accelerate (not just maintain speed) till it would shift into the next gear (mainly 2nd to 3rd). When it hit 3rd gear it was at 3,600 rpm which is not enough power to hold speed and then it would slow down till it down shifted. Having more gears allows the engine to have more places where it can hit 5,000 RPM and over. The 10-speed would have a gear ratio in between 2nd and 3rd on the 6-speed and allow the truck to rev higher in this gear while going the same speed like over 4,000 at 60 mph not 3,600 in the 6-speed. With a 16,000 lb trailer it’s not just about power, it’s about at what speed (MPH) this power occurs. Exact same reason that a lot of semis have 18 gears.
@@gen1c8rs88 Honestly it would be no point to do it. The 3.73 and 10 speed would be more than perfect. I do think that it will be interesting to see what Ford runs with their 10 speed and the gas engines. I don't think the 4.30 will be returning.
@@killercan10 I have heard 4.3 gears and a 10 speed with the Tremor off road package, keep in mind 285/75r18 Duratrac tires are rated at 35.1 inches in diameter.
They should have kept the 4:10 and put in a taller OD gear. Mine runs at 2000 RPM on the hyway at 60mpg in 6th gear. When not towing it should be 1600 RPM like my last 1/2 ton 4.8ltr v8.
I wish they would do another run using manual mode to see what they could get out of it. Just to see what the difference is I’m sure you would shave at least a minute off the time. Come on TFL I would like to see it and I’m sure thousands more would too.
The Hemi out-pulled the EcoDiesel in this test. It all depends on which engine has more power, and this test is going to favor whichever engine is turbocharged because of the altitude.
Gm’s to do list with this truck. 8-10 speed trani, 4.10 axle ratio, functional hood scoop!!! For shizles. What’s up with that! Why make a second identical hood that’s not functional instead of only making one that is functional!!!?
I thought both the Ford and the Chevy squatted 4in. But you took a lot more points off the Chevy than the Ford for the same squat. Didn't the Chevy have a higher payload rating then the Ford? I don't get it. And I don't get why GM won't put the 10-speed in this truck.
@No F-Bdy Bs you must be a flat lander that’s never lived or towed in the mountains. When you’re pulling max weight up a 7% grade you’re not going to be in sixth gear and a low engine rpm. The diesel engines are also at the upper end of their rpm range.
carl atamanczyk if it’s below redline then it’s gonna last. What makes you think 5000 rpms for 10 minutes max once in a blue moon is bad for an engine designed to run up to 6000 rpms?
A simplel durable truck without things that fail. It looks great and is priced competitive but still high for me. To be honest, I find myself saying my next truck moving from half to three qtr, i'm going to get a work truck - simple, affordable, and gets the job done. They kind of nailed my thoughts with this truck. Only one in my way now is CA DMV yearly charges on big trucks.
Great review, really thorough and honest. Well done
Thanks
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@@MrTruckTV I would love to see this review with a 3500 and driving it like a person actually would. Nobody that I know that tows would leave the truck in D driving up or down that hill with 16K pounds behind it.
What kind of mpg are y’all getting? Especially when not towing.
Oh my god! A new vehicle with knobs instead of everything being on the touchscreen! I love it!
I’m not a fan of all this new electronic crap either.
Love your comment. If they axed all the BS electronics that aren't needed we would pay a lot less for trucks.
The 10spd would have absolutely helped. Having a smaller gear split would help this engine stay on its torque curve while in the hard pulls. I really hope that trans finds it's way into this truck sooner rather than later.
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finally did.
I remember back when 6 speeds was a lot
That's not very far back. How about 3 on the tree
Are we gonna just ignore the fact that you have an effed up haircut ... Jesus effing christ
My Mustang GT has a 5 speed :)
My Tacoma is 4 speed auto 6 is still a lot to me 😂
@@freedomisntfree_44 my father 2005 Yukon has 4 speed automatic too. But it's still get very good fuel mileage for the weight and displacement.
GM should have kept the 4.10 axle ratio and gave the 6.6 the 10 speed...maybe they could at least offer it as a Max Trailering Package option? I realize not all end users need max towing.
truckguyjoe after GM breaking their contract with Ford Ford probably refused to allow them to use their 10 speed in this truck
I'd think they'll do it later as "upgrades." We all know all OEM's plan the entire life of this generation fairly well, including incremental upgrades.
@@ripfletching it's not Ford's transmission. It was a joint venture but word is Ford did more on this, GM did more on the fwd 9 speed. GM doesn't need permission from Ford to us their own transmission
truckguyjoe even a 5.10 gear ratio would not have improved the time.
@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: the lower the rear axle ratio the higher the tow rating. That's why medium duty trucks with the highest GCWR have the lowest available rear axle ratio. If we are talking 3/4 ton gas pickup trucks...consumers who tow want the 4.10 (lower rear axle) not the 3.73. GM should have kept the lower rear axle mated to the 6 speed auto. The icing on the cake would be a 4.10 with the 10-speed auto...or at the bare minimum give GM the 10-speed mated to the 3.73 in lieu of the 6 speed. We are not talking about fuel mileage here. We are talking max towing and max gross combination weight rating. Look at Ford, RAM, or Chevy Medium online order guide and towing application. The lower the rear end...4.30...4.88...the more they are rated to tow and the higher the GCWR. It's all about the launch...getting the load moving and keeping the engine in the torque curve.
Great review. They pulled 16,000 lbs, UPHILL, at 2 miles ABOVE sea level, with a GAS engine 3/4 ton SRW! The truck did it. I wouldn't complain about those times, speeds, or brake applications. 3/4 ton gassers were rated for 9250# towing just several years ago. I also would never attempt that. Ponder the physics. This is getting silly.
And they were overweight on pin capacity
There's a thing called trailer brakes..
@@elonmust7470 lol. I think I've heard of those.
@@sharkskin3448 I used to pull around a 2 axle flatbed with a 1974 f250 with with a 390 that had been gone through back in the 80s. I've had close to 30,000 lbs on that trailer. 1st gear low range, wide open throttle, pulling concrete troughs through the San Luis Obispo hills on the Chimineas Ranch. Point is that loaded flatbed trailer would've shoved the old ford down the first hill it tried to descent without trailer brakes. With trailer brakes you could just engine brake down the hill. I'm not talking about public roads either, steep, very steep stuff. Sometimes that 390 would get hot & start backfiring when at WOT but it never gave up. Some old timer from Bakersfield rebult it with a bunch of Crower stuff. Thing loped like it wasn't a torque motor when it was cold.
@@elonmust7470 public roads are bad places to take chances, tho. I had medium skid steer nearly push my f250 through a downhill 4-way. The trailer was from an equipment rental dealer. I finished my trip VERY carefully, being a late Saturday afternoon. I'm old enough to not trust other people's shit anymore.
Gasser saves $10k from the un-hackable epa Dmax, so use the extra money for a 50 state legal magnussen supercharger, tow awesome and never worry about DPF or fuel systems again + fill up anywhere.
The Dmax will always be hackable. The trick is finding a shop willing to delete and tune the latest model ones.
@@inchaoswearereborn9586
I swear it gets harder every time the GM fun police get a new idea. I've never owned a Chevy (for other reasons) but my friend had a 2004 2500 and then a 2012. His 2004 cost around $600 for a 4" downpipe back exhaust and a custom tuner. The 2012, on the other hand, was around 2k all in. Meanwhile, another friend driving a 2013 6.7 powerstroke spent less than a thousand dollars on his delete and tune.
For tuning on L5P go to Duramax Tuners. Cost is just over 5k.
There are already 2020's out their deleted and tuned look it up
Iam contemplating the same thing just no real world reviews out there yet the strike didn't help supply
Only a Gm would be applauded for the steering wheel and seat being straight inline.
Should be given an Award 1st year in 15 LOL
This is new to me. What do you mean by that? Researching trucks am weighing the pros and cons.
Thanks.
Rxonmymind GM/Chevy trucks steering wheels are not aligned with the steering column
@@rxonmymind8362 The steering wheel on older GM trucks wasn't inline with the seat. It was offset to the right. I don't know if they still do that or when they stopped. It never bothered me on my '97 GMC though...
jrhunt414 2017 trucks are still offset not centered
This was a good run up the super ike just as the 2017 Silverado 2500 HD Ext cab did with its super ike run but this new truck is pulling more weight and a different trailer which added a heavier pin wt and more wind resistance the flat bed trailer did not have.
The '17 run was done with the 360 hp 380 tq 6.0 V8, 4.10 rear pulling a 13,500 lbs goose neck trailer.
Time: 10:22 MPG: 2.3 Brake applications: 13 Noise Decibels: 71 Slowest Speed Observed: 23 MPH
This '20 Crew Cab Silverado trucks 401 hp 464 tq 6.6 V8, 3.73 rear was pulling a 16,000 lbs tall horse trailer.
Time: 11:53 MPG: 2.4 Brake applications: 10 Noise Decibels: 68.7 Slowest Speed Observed: 25 MPH
This new run was pretty good considering that massive wind brake of a trailer and added wt. used in this years testing.
2017 was the dually correct??
@@davidlusk4350... 2500 3/4 tons trucks are single wheel only.
This Chevy just towed 16,0000# at high elevations up hill with a small block V8. Sounds like biggest issue was the transmission wouldn't down shift to maintain speed.
Ray D the gear spacing appeared not ideal for that much weight, grade and elevation. Would love to see GM offer a low cost option to pair this 6.6 with the 10-speed.
it would downshift then accelerate to redline then upshift but it didnt have the power to hold the higher gear and then it wouldnt alow downshift again to save the trans. they should allow the lower gear and have programing in to stop it from getting to redline in that gear and hold say 4500ish or so maybe 5000 rpm in that gear until the grade lessens instead of grabbing the next gear and sitting at 3000rpm and going 25
@@gagt5spd Chevy needs to take a lesson from Ford. The Ford V10 was paired to a 5 speed transmission which, the first 3 gears are close ratio, so the tranny can keep the motor in the power up to 65 mph. Duh Chevy!
They should do it again out of rotation for the testing.. using the manual mode maybe it would help
That's why you put the transmission in manual mode
only a mother could love that front end and those mirrors
mobgma i hate the mirrors only way i would get the current body style is with the 1500 mirrors
@@brandonhensel1301 agreed. front end is still 50/50
I would love to see you guys get a late 90s Chevy with a 454 and the 8100 vortec and compare them to each other and contemporary vehicles as well
Make it so!
I’d love to see the same thing, but I predict the results to be underwhelming. I had a 1997 F350 standard cab with a 5-spd manual and 460, and it was a dog. The power was low in the RPM range like you’d expect from a big block, there just wasn’t enough of it, and it drank like a sailor in the process.
Lol my dad has a 454 c3500 it's certainly not great.
It’ll move the same weight, trust me I’ve tried.
The speed is not even close, the brakes are not even close, and while that 454 won’t fail, something else will
Te 8.1 is a bit slower but town better, the 7.4 is great and has a little bit more top speed. The block is just the same . Great engines.
I can't believe I found you guys like 2 years ago by chance, just searching for videos of fully loaded trucks hauling up long mountain passes. All your videos and series are fun, informative, and awesome!
Great test. I would like to see the test with a lighter trailer - maybe 10,000lbs. Most people towing over 15,000lbs will choose the diesel.
Or even 5-7 000 pounds like most people with tow haulers and RV crowd tow.
@@paulmiodowski 5-7k lbs is 1/2 ton territory and most toy hualers are over 7klbs
@@paulmiodowski lmfao why would you get a 3/4 ton for a 6k lb trailer?
@@jaycevessier7554 payload. 10-15% tongue weight on a 6k trailer, you’re left with very little remaining payload if you get a loaded 1/2 ton, especially if towing shifting live weight (horses).
Not true due to diesels being heavier engines... gas engines can hold a higher payload. A lot of times on diesels you can outtow your payload and so the payload actually kills your max towing.
Okay that's great great review but what about towing an 8,000 lb trailer because most people never tow a 16,000 lb trailer
It would do better 😑
Andre: At this elevation the engine is struggling.
Mr. Truck: That's right, and that fake hood scoop isn't giving it any extra air.
Landed it.
Totally hit the nail on the head, it used to be just Toyota putting fake hood scoops on their trucks. Disappointed GM is doing the fake scoop thing too
the scoops on their HD trucks are functional
@@aaronkellar6583 Just the diesels.
I'm guessing it's just easier and cheaper for gm to have the same hood for both gas and diesel rather than separate ones? Saves the customer a little money that way and nobody will probably complain about the look on a big tough 3/4 ton pickup.
@@jamesnm21 Agreed. Even though it's not functional it definitely adds a cool look.
Look fellas it's a heavy duty Aztek
genuinejesse Ain’t that the truth god awful ugly like that one character from family guy with the upside down head
Penetrator I own one of those 1500’s and I like that HD front more
Look at his picture guys, it's a Lifted Ford Ranchero
Whatever....that front end is aggressive and cool looking- obviously...
The truck is ugly
Finally someone who understands air density.. 5:33 he said " we're losing a lot air density, there is about 30% less".. As in " 30% less air" lol.. Great video!
Really looking forward to seeing how that new Ford 7.3 does in the Super Duty with the Tremor package.
I still cant deal with that front end.
Well, if you own a desktop Mac pro it'll match. 😄
I think the half tons look like shit but the hd’s are nice.
TR P have you seen one in person? They look pretty bad ass imo.
I like it
@@trp2413 I agree, GM seems to create a monstrosity every few years.🤢
I love the big square industrial look of these trucks
Install a 410 and call it a day. They purposefully left it at 373. The old 6.0 with 410 is par with this 373 setup
Hell no. The old 6.0 was not capable of towing this much. Let’s. It exaggerate here
The heavyweight haulers need low pressure (5 psi) turbocharged gasoline engine.
Plus EXHAUST BRAKE.
PLUS AIR BAG REAR SUSPENSION.
Can’t wait to see 7.3L Ford at work.
Can't wait to see the chevy 8.4 in the works
Chevy 8.4 did you where get it info? I know hearing over (gm8.0)
@@jckdnls9292 Rumor is that if that engine even exists its only going to be used in medium duty applications, which also means it'll be de-tuned for longevity and will probably make less power than Fords 7.3L.
“In the works” seems to be the only reply from the GM crowd nowadays. With their ancient interiors, it’s amazing Chev sells any trucks...
@@mattmcneely9174 I want a truck not a Fuuurd ecu-JUNK tin can
This was a test as extreme as the grill is tall. Seriously, who actually tows 16,000 with a gas truck? Nobody is going to ask a gas truck to do that regularly, they will buy the diesel. Not only is that a lot to tow with a gasser but that hill and altitude as well. Stupid grill and hood height but i think the 6.6 6 speed is a great setup for the right buyer. The person who tows often at under 10k lb, or the person who tows up to 16k once a year will be well served by this truck and an extra $10k in their pockets. Only reason to pass on this is if the 7.3 Ford turns out to be great.
You answered your own question; the guy that doesn’t tow extremely heavy on a regular basis.
The point is to test the trucks at their maximum ratings to see if they can actually do it and do it well.
Otherwise who's keeping the buyers in the know? You're going believe the manufacturer who's trying to sell the truck? You shouldn't. These are good test and represent a very very high level of stress. If you do less you'll do much better.
This engine and tranny has a place but it's certainly not this sure, but again people should still be able to know the limits of their $50,000 truck.
Yes, I agree. For the right buyer this truck could be perfect. And like you I am looking forward to the new Ford 7.3 test.
I'm too lazy to make calculations but I think with it's lower MPG it's 10k advantage in value is not that big of a deal.
@@ldmtag The MPG will be less than a diesel, but add up all the money spent on frequently more expensive diesel fuel, DEF fluid, oil changes, and if anything breaks in that highly complex modern diesel you are out major cash. You have to be towing quite a lot to really save anything.
Pretty sure I would keep the transmission in manual for grades like this and go for around 4000 max rpm.
Ok
@@Icutmetal yes
@@marylandsportsman4114 Sure
@@Icutmetal ok
One would hope the GM engineers would have set up the TCU to pick the correct gear. Obviously GM did not.
4:10 is what you need for better towing ability. 3.73 is what the boss drives around in checking on his minions.
I was just thinking contractors truck
Nah. 3.73 gets it done. 4.10 is miserable on the highway and interstate, especially if you're in a diesel. I hated my 4.10. Sure, it got my 17,000lb horse trailer moving, but maintaining 70mph on the highway means you're sucking fuel and making a lot of heat and constant boost pressure.
@@phtevenmolz5030 heat is tied to power output if you are in boost it is beacuse teh power is needed.
@@KoolCordell no it's not. It's called drive pressure and it's dictated by gearing. 4.10 and above is shit on any diesel 3/4 or 1 ton that sees much highway traveling. The lower gearing causes high RPMs, which causes high exhaust pressure in the hot side of your turbo, and very often is the cause of head gasket failures (along with front cover cavitation on some trucks).
I got a silverado 2500 hd with 4.10 it is slower but i get better gas mileage then my friend's sierre 2500hd 3.73's
Towing 3-5 times a week and I climb 3 thousand feet one way, I’d absolutely hate hearing that engine rev that high the whole trip, and my mileage would be garbage. I’ll stick to diesel.
i see burnt up transmissions and engines in gms future
Haha agreed
@@LedzeppelinDogsGuns nah nobody tows with these, half the new trucks dont have a hitch in the receiver
Yep. Jeremy really is the right customer for a diesel. If you two every day, diesel is for you. I haven't seen a heavy duty gas engine yet that can pull a load up a hill without assaulting the senses. Ford's EcoBoost does a great job in the F150. It can pull the Ike at 3500 rpm and not sound like it's screaming for mercy. Somebody needs to make a turbo gasoline engine for heavy duty applications. Naturally aspirated can't do the job at high altitudes.
You and me both... a high reving gasserr can't be that durable for much heavy towing anyway.... don't quite get what the factory engineers are thinking....
I'm waiting for the new 7.3 gas from Ford to go head 2 head against the Chevy gas option. 🇺🇸
I'd like to see that too. The only two DNF's they had were Fords. Interested to see if the new engine is any good. I prefer gas engines. I don't tow all the time just occasionally.
I'm not a Ford guy but I'm very interested in that new 7.3. Finally Ford went back to a pushrod engine for a HD application. OHC engines have their place but they're not for everything. I am disappointed that GM didn't go larger for their HD gas option.
@@daneh8434
Gm trucks have always been about the total package instead of numbers. They've always been competitive and functional despite not having the biggest numbers. I agree with Ford going back to a simpler larger engine. That's how HD engines should be.
With the 7.3 being paired to the 10-speed, I don’t think it’ll be a contest against this 6.6. I understand GM’s reasoning for keeping the 6, but it showed in this video as being the weak link in ensuring the vehicle was always utilizing the engines power and torque.
@@ALMX5DP
The number of gears aren't as important as the ratio of gears and the transmission tunning. The gm 6 speed has always been a good tranny. If the ratios are matched to the engine it should be fine. Something seemed off with this truck. It seemed sluggish to shift like they didn't have it tow/haul mode or something. Also gm changed the rear gear ratio witch doesn't help. It used to be 4.10. I am curious to see how the new Ford does.
That truck needs the 10 spd in a big way.
Indeed I am sure they fixed all the issues with it by now for this beast to use
It needs something.
Considering a tradesman will get this truck 10 to 15 years later, the 6 speed is better due to cost to repair. The truck should have came with a 4.10, but that's a cheap easy upgrade most of us can do.
No, it needs a 100 speed! Not.
The ten speed is an allison. They'll never mate an allison to a gas job again
I love your towing tests. Do you ever do Ike gauntlet test with heavy payload? As a truck camper guy it would be great to know how the new crop gas and diesel HD dually trucks handle 5-6000 lb truck campers!
I don’t agree with changes in the benchmark times and mileage. If manufacturers are going to raise the tow ratings to heavier loads by increasing torque and horsepower as well as frame and suspension mods, the times should stay the same.
That 6 speed trans is killing the performance of this truck.
Yeah, I think we will see the 10 and 8 speeds in the HD line up as standard in the future. Like come on, you buy an HD to tow and haul.
Oh bs. It was screaming up the hill at high rpm. Aka max hp. Nothing extra gears would have done. No power is no power!
The gm 10spd has 3 over drives . Good for empty highway driving but useless for towing. So a 10 spd is only a 6 or 6sp when towing
@Andy Hass If you notice, anytime the engine was over 4,500 RPM it was able to accelerate (not just maintain speed) till it would shift into the next gear (mainly 2nd to 3rd). When it hit 3rd gear it was at 3,600 rpm which is not enough power to hold speed and then it would slow down till it down shifted. Having more gears allows the engine to have more places where it can hit 5,000 RPM and over. The 10-speed would have a gear ratio in between 2nd and 3rd on the 6-speed and allow the truck to rev higher in this gear while going the same speed like over 4,000 rpm at 60 mph not 3,600 rpm in the 6-speed. With a 16,000 lb trailer it’s not just about power, it’s about at what speed (MPH) this power occurs. Exact same reason that a lot of semis have 18 gears. Also, a 10-speed will have a similar top gear ratio as a 6-speed, the 10 does have a wider spread (meaning more lower gears). The 10 speed has 7 gears under overdrive, the 6-speed only has 4.
@@kirbygoodwin5760 agreed. Would be interesting to see.
Its not the transmission its the tune. It was upshifting when it had no business to and waiting way too long to downshift again. Hopefully they come out with a software update soon to address that. If they would have put the truck in manual mode and selected an appropriate gear I bet they could shave 1:30 off that time.
I bought a 2008 Tahoe, had the cylinder deactivation turned off, removed the cats, had the SUV tuned, installed 22 inch tires and an Eaton Tru Trac Rear End with 4;56 gears..My mileage only went down a few 10ths of a MPG from the 3;42's ..My first pull was another Tahoe on a 2300 pound trailer up two 6 to 7% grades that were around 2 miles long. With around 8000 pounds additional weight it did very well up those grades with just a 4L60 4 speed and a 5.3 with 310,000 miles...😁
Yeah I think the 3.73 is the culprit here. I think you guys tested a 6.0 with a 4.10 before and had a better result. 4.10 would have helped with the down hill potion as well.
You will have to walk around one of these trucks to realize how big they actually are. I bought a similar 2020 GMC Sierra and the height of the front of my hood is almost 5' off the ground. I have to use a folding stool in order to check the oil. The oil change tech uses a stool to reach the engine compartment. You need the step built into the rear bumper to climb into the bed.
That 2-3 upshift at 5:25 kills it. Locked in 2nd gear would have shaved minutes.
went from a 1500 5.3vortec to a 2500 duramax that was the best move ive done and i only pull a 6000 pound trailer. the 1500 wasnt cutting it. it even was worse when i ended up getting a set of nitto trailer grapplers 33s on it and boy it struggled bad with the 1500 5.3 engine!!
The 5.3L is a torqueless wonder, even among small block gas V8's its torque has almost always been sub par.
Good lord that thing is hideous. It's like someone said "bet you cant make your truck uglier than mine!" And GM was like "hold my beer"
So many chicks here with their panties in a bunch over the looks.
Love the new chevy 2500 gas
But I love the 6.0.
Tough and very reliable engines.
When I buy a 3/4 ton gas truck, I'll probably buy a 2015-2019 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0. Not sure how I feel about this new 6.6 gas motor
Would love to see an episode where you went manual and kept the engine in the power band to maintain speed. That’s the only weakness of the vehicle test y’all do.
My Chevy 2500Hd has a Gas V8 we own a Hotshot Delivery my Dads Ford F350 work truck and my chevy work truck Tows just as good if you Ask me
What did you expect from a naturally aspirated engine at an elevation of 11,000 feet with thin air? With a few slight modifications she would do great. Add some air suspension to the stock suspension and that will take care of the squat issue.
All HD gassers had to run the same route...
Not bad for a gasser 3/4 going up a serious grade with crazy elevation
It did the job like GM said it could based off ratings. However going that slow isn't safe. So I'd say it's a fail. It's need more gears and a 4.10 rear end for something like this.
@@MrComputerCoder lol, It's perfectly safe to go that slow. Here in Montana there's a pass that if you're over like 10 tons GVWR you can't go over like 35 mph,especially down hill. Just put your flashers on and sit behind a semi and you'll be just fine.
dedalliance1 kids these days don’t understand patience, especially when towing.
It broke the Ugliness Scoring System as well....
Yep. It’s an ugly thing for sure.
@@prevost8686 "for sure" in your opinion. I actually quite like the look and so did Mr. Truck.
@@Cla55clown its hideous
lit razr New Rams look even worse with that futuristic design but yeah it’s ugly
Tundras look the best to me idc what anybody says omg 😱 it looks so outdated boi if you don’t.
Love the max tests, but it isn't apples to apples when comparing to the Ram. I'd like to see a test where you have the big three that all have the same exact trailer and tongue weight and same rear axle ratio. The gauntlet with the Chevy and Ford was over 16,000lbs and the Ram was 14K. So it's really a Ford vs Chevy battle. Load up the Chevy and Ford with the trailer weight you put on the Ram and see which performs better.
A more realistic test with those three would be to have them all tow something like 10,000 pounds. People towing 14,000 or 16,000 pounds will probably buy diesel pickups.
I would suggest having different benchmarks for Gas and Diesel. Two different animals with different pros and cons. I would also love to see how this thing tows at lower elevations. I live in Texas. I think the performance would be way better down here at 1,00o ft elevation but I would like to know just how much.
Good review guys. All Big 3 Mfrs. have good things going for them. Use to have Ram 1500 Bighorn and was completely reliable. Had to say goodbye because suspension was too soft even after upgrading coils and not enough truck with wind gusts and all with our 31 ft. 7000 lbs. Toy hauler and 1060 lbs. tongue weight. With 1500 miles on our new 6.6L gas version Silverado, Unloaded I’ve achieved 16.7 mpg twice now on trips of about 450 miles and A/C on. I have an LT, 17” tires, Z71 Double Can 4x4 for those interested. I’m civil with my pedal. Truck technology is just right for me; don’t need huge screens (8” is good enough).
I'd like to see the 8.1 come back as an 8.3 or 8.9. They should team up with raylar fo build it and they'd have the ultimate heavy duty gas
Lol love the 8.1L comments, yes id love to experience 11mpg empty again going down hill.. 8.9L...... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@panthermartin7784 it's not a grocery getter. It's a work horse torque monster. What's funny is people buying diesels that don't own a trailer, but to each their own.
@@coatesfactor think about the cost of fuel these days and a small company towing with your 8.9L.. Get a grip bud..
@@panthermartin7784 the Technology is there. Does a big engine at low rpm doing the work a small engine has to have high rpm to do, which burns more. My 6.0 got worse mpg than my 8.1. I've got real life numbers and a grip bud hahaha. Why do you think ford has came out with a big block 7.3?
Panther Martin77 you mean like me(small company). I’m planning to go back to a gasser I the next couple years, cuz all the EPA emissions shit is killing my productivity and checkbook now that the warranty is bye bye. Have some time to decide between the new 6.6, 7.3, or whatever Ram is selling in 2021-2022.
Great video! Seeing how this truck was hitting the bump stops so much I would run Timbren load cushions with a Roadmaster active suspension to help control the weight with all the money saved buying a Duramax.
Great content as always! It would be cool to see a comparison of how each truck's score stacks up to the competition at the end of each of these Ike Gauntlet runs
OK, love the show, I live in CO and tow as well. Your show is getting bigger, so now time to get better. How about another run with you manually shifting? How about 10 miles in some hills and not the steepest tallest mountain most people will hardly drive (but I do like that too!). How about some transmission temps? How about a REAL life test meaning, many of us tow way less, how about about pulling like 9k (simulating a TT) and manually shifting like we do in real life? Lots more info could be put in these videos. Keep up the good work!
Well said.
At first I wasn't liking the exterior design. But now I c them on the road, they look sharp as hell
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So looking at the old videos. The Chevy 6.0 gas towed 13500 lbs in a time of 10:23 with 13 brake applications. I’d say it’s an improvement over the 6.0
Needs the 10 speed... or at least 4:10 gears as a option.
3500HD SRW and DRW come with overload spring pack which would have helped mitigate squat.
True but the truck is rated to pull that weight. So the suspension should be able to handle it. Tfl tests what they get
What I couldn't understand is why there's still so much gap in the wheel well even with it nearly on the bump stops....
Gives you a new respect for how well old Big Green did on that tow test!
We are placing orders at work for a new fleet of 40 new 3/4T trucks.
Ford has burned us in the past with reliability issues, but the way these new GM Heavy Duty trucks look, we ordered Ram instead.
I'm curious what the transmission temp was when they reached the top of the Ike.
I'm sure it was normal. If it was high they would have said something.
I'm sure it was overheating. That's why they didn't show it. What was the temperature outside I wonder. That would make a big difference.
@@jameschance5507 no. They definitely would have said something.
Colin The 6L90e is a bulletproof transmission. With the high engine rpm and the power reduced by a third due to low air density I’m sure the transmission stayed cool.
@@jameschance5507 So you know the temp would make a difference but you also know that it was overheating. Do you know the difference between fact and opinion?
Please when you guys get your hands on the new 2020 Ford 7.3 V8Zilla 10 speed can you guys take it up the Ike Gauntlet I really wanna see that thing work
They will
We're all waiting with bated breath for that.
They just purchased one
You have to keep in mind the diesel also has a turbocharger. The high altitude will absolutely kill a NA engine like this.
High elevation. These things aren't flying.
I know Ram didn’t perform well in the past, but I really think it will vastly improve with the new 8 speed. I’m not a GM fan but it was truly disappointing to see a new engine in a new truck come out with the same OLD six speed. I’m excited to see these gas truck comparisons with this kind of weight. How about adding the Ford 6.2 to the test also to see how it compares to the new 7.3.
Im really considering my next HD purchase to be a gas because the maintenance of these new diesels scare me. I don’t tow often (maybe 10 times a year), but when I do it’s normally around 13-15,000lb.
Ram didnt perform well because it went into a mode designed to save the transmission. Ram limits the amount of time you can be in 1st gear full throttle, after the determined amount of time it holds the gear but limits power and speed to protect the torque converter from ballooning from excessive internal heat.
Yea Ram just has most of the world records and in reality dominates job sites. No biggy
"This kind of weight." I'm waiting to see that 35,500 lb. rig that GM says they're best-dressed is capable of--towing up the Ike, but from Grand Junction and multiple times in a row on a really hot day like it's doing material deliveries. That would be entertaining. HD pickup manufacturers have lost their collective minds to their marketing departments.
Get a used ram Cummins.
@@LemkeR
Yeah,preferably mine so I can buy a real truck.
If anyone wants a loaded 18 ram 2500 4x4 sport megacab,hit me up.
I would love to let this pos Cummins go & it's in a color your wives are sure to love,just incase you need to fly it past her for approval.
I'm wanting a 2020 superduty crewcab tremor with the 7.3
The fact that you guys had to drop below 30 mph is really concerning. Some people are here commenting about how gas trucks arent for towing but these are the tow numbers CHEVY PUTS ON THE TRUCK. I think they need to get rid of the 6 speed, its design is decades old at this point and no longer allowing the truck to be competitive.
It usually takes me a while to warm up to a new trucks styling... this ones's going to take a long time.
Has it started to grow on you yet?
@@DC-ct8tv Nope 🤨
@@wesleywilkinson4355 😂 same here. I like the GMC tho
Just watched the new 7.3 Ford video and came back to this one to get an idea of how much better the Ford is and it’s obvious that the actual real world difference is a lot bigger than the numbers would suggest.... GM powertrain engineers clearly didn’t map out the shift points properly ,as he went thru the lights at the top at 2500 rpm foot to the floor,that trans should have downshifted to a lower gear at that point. I’ve seen this before with GM ,they just drop the ball on programming.
5 plus grand goin up hill the whole time I bet that manifolds were glowing orange
Great video guys but Gassers are different Um I think that people will see this a say yeah towing across the higher territories in this country yeah diesel is the way too go but stay locally their great trucks anyway can’t wait for the Ford !!!
Mike Bishop I’m in my second 3/4 ton gasser in 4 years. Living in the Midwest, pulling a 7k lb camper and I have no need for diesel.
After reading the comments I can see I’m not the only one that thinks the front end is hideous.....
Can't wait for a supercharger kit to come out for these
I’m a ford guy but in defense of the Chevy people who are going to tow that weight are not going to buy a gasser. Mr truck they need some summo bags you were pimping. Great video I do think it needs a few more gears as many have said. I will be interested to see the big Ford and ram but again there gassers too so with this weight I’m not expecting any crazy good on the Ike. Maybe capable for us flatlanders in the Midwest.
I have a 1 ton GMC with the 6.0L gas engine and I tow a 14k pound fifth wheel. Does just fine for me other than the fuel mileage which is why I kinda wanna upgrade to a diesel but they're just another 10k dollars I don't really have and with the EPA cracking down on non emissions tunes and delete kits, diesels are going to be garbage once those systems fail and it'll be another 10k dollars to fix it, so why not just buy a gasser and save money upfront and hopefully down the road.
dedalliance1 definitely room and need for a diesel. I don’t think they will be garbage and there’s always ways around things. But I understand your concerns. This might deter some people who just want a diesel to say they have one. If you are towing loads like they are in the mountains a diesel is a must
@@joesainato8051 Well, I bought my camper in Colorado, not too far from where tfl is and then I drove it up to Montana and have been living in the camper for like 5 or 6 months now while working, and I've taken it over passes and out camping and it does just fine other than going a little slow.
You say owning a diesel is a must but honestly they're not. My truck is rated at 13,700 pounds max towing and these new GM's are rated at 16,600 and that's enough capacity to tow many large fifth wheels and campers and horse trailers and flat beds and car haulers, my brother in laws dad has like a 40 foot aluminum car hauler enclosed gooseneck trailer that weighs like 7k pounds and then he puts his 2001 duramax drag truck in it which brings it up to like 14k pounds which even that large of a setup is within the limits of new gas trucks. So what exactly does someone need a diesel for? The only advantages of a diesel is to maintain speed better when towing, and accelerating, better fuel mileage, and better reliability as far as putting a couple 100k miles on it. But with emissions now destroying new diesels, with high labor rates and higher fuel costs and oil costs over a gas vehicle, you really have to ask yourself is going a little faster worth the risk of everything that could go wrong with a modern diesel?
I can't speak on the new 6.6l gas engine, but the 6.0l has been in everything from 3/4 ton suburbans to work vans to pickups and more since the early 2000s and hundreds of thousands of them have gone to 200k+ miles, which is just as reliable as a lot of modern diesels. My sister and her husband both have a 2012 or 2011 Silverado diesel 1 ton, both emissions systems have completely failed in them in under 200k miles, which would cost thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to fix the legal way, one of the trucks sat for 2 years because they lived in a county with smog control and couldn't afford to fix it. The other one failed when they were a thousand miles away from home with a horse trailer, they would have been utterly screwed if they couldn't have just walked into a delete shop and strip everything, that's not legal anymore, even in the slightest.
And trust me I still want a diesel personally just because I want the fuel economy, but the way this world is going with tree huggers and anti coal and anti fossil fuels I wouldn't be surprised if they outlaw diesels all together and maybe even gas trucks in 20 or 30 years. So what's the point in buying a forever truck if forever might end just down the road? But that's just speculation who really knows what will happen. All I know is modern diesels aren't all that they're cracked up to be.
dedalliance1 I hear you and agree on most everything you have said. As many say the emissions is the bad part of modern diesel. It’s unfortunate because ultimately motor vs motor minus emissions the diesel will most definitely outlast a gasser but as you stated a premium cost. I understand ratings that are given to trucks and there max capacity but let’s face the reality if you are working that truck at max capacity failure is much more likely to happen. Just for the record I have a gasser and always have cuz my trailers are at a weight I don’t feel I need a diesel. I’m like you I would like to have one but until I deem it necessary I will stick to a gasser most likely.
@@joesainato8051 Yeah you don't really want to put trucks to their max all the time, but they also might hold up to it too though. Have to realize that the max towing is based on pretty much 3 factors, reliability because when the truck is under warranty or extended warranty, it's up to the provider to pay for the repairs and so they don't want to pay anything and they make the vehicle so it at least lasts that long. And then there's safety, what rules and regulations do they have to follow to get the tow numbers certified, and then bragging rights and looking good on paper, how far are they willing to stretch the numbers to get a class leading number.
Kinda like Dodge, great diesel engines, but they've had transmission problems and rust problems, but you can do anything to the engine and it'll go for a long time, if you can afford a new transmission every so often lol. That could be the case with the new 6.6l gas, maybe it's just the transmission holding back the performance and the reliability. But only time will tell.
I just like diesels because they get 20 mpg highway where my truck might get 13 if I'm lucky.
G.M.'s latest is still 10 years behind Ford. Sad. Plus, they got rid of the Active Fuel Management on this truck because they know that it's been disastrous, but Ford has implemented their Variable Cam Timing on the 7.3L.
The GM 6.6 also has variable cam timing.
Now that's a cool camera shot. Maybe that's something you do on all trucks now.
In my opinion turbo straight sixes would be great truck engine cuz they were a great truck onions for a long time even the ninth generation Fords with those 300 straight six those were great I think those things are better at towing than the 5.0 at the time those were better at time They used to put those in huge f700 dump trucks They never put the 302 in the dump truck cuz it couldn't handle it The reason they don't do it is because it would be as bad on gas as a V8 They were notoriously bad on gas but maybe a modern age inline 6 turbo could be better than a V8 and better than a turbo V6 durability wise they run like tanks
Yikes! I'd hate to have to spin that engine that high all the time. Curious to see how the Ford 7.3L gas does. The new Ford would be my truck/engine of choice if I was buying a new gas tow rig.
That's how GM gas engines are, the 6.0 was the same way. It makes you uncomfortable, but there are many satisfied 6.0 owners that abused theirs for 300,000+ miles. A 6.6l LT derived v8 could make over 500hp, but it's detuned to be beaten.... In this case, severely!
Use my 5.3 for towing and the rpms are high all the time like this.
Almost 300k on it now and still doesn't burn a drop of oil (leaks though lol). Chevy truck motors are definitely reliable.
Gasoline engines are built to spin high. That is how they make their power. The Ford 6.2 spins up even higher (although it can handle it better because of the SOHC). It is not unheard of for extreme duty gas engines to last 300,000 miles or more without major failure. One guy on the Ford Enthusiast forums is a hot-shotter that had 438,000 miles on it before the cam started wearing.
keep oil on the stick & it will be fine. use synthetic if your that worried about it. absolutly nothing wrong with using the whole rpm range.
@@780brando "I bought the whole tach so I'ma use the whole tach!"
you should do an ike gauntlet with older used trucks. like say 2005-2010 2500s for the people that need to tow but cant afford a brand new truck! as a bonus you can compare new trucks to the older trucks to see how the new ones really perform
GM Lead Designer: " Team, we need to buckle down and try to design the ugliest truck every seen."
Mission accomplished.
Gotta say at least in body color (with a light or bright one) the CHEVROLET bar is growing on me. It's hideous on the W/T in black; maybe if they painted it white for the W/T it'd blend in on a white truck and have a retro effect with any other color.
@@nlpnt The chevy bar is the only good looking part, the lights and grill need some work.
I think they’re all ugly.
Not exactly pretty
@@nlpnt the lightheads are hideous. Not that a truck is supposed to be pretty.
But the RAM's are gorgeous, Fords are meh. RAM has the best interiors and technology, and the Almighty Cummins. Ford has the 10 spd across the line, and the best engines, at least on paper.
Chevrolet has nothing going for them! Not even exterior looks! GMC looks quite nice outside but nothing relevant beats the competition, and their prices are just ridiculous. I cant imagine why people would buy Chevy in 2019, other than brand loyalty and good deals on base models.
This review was very useful for making a personal truck buying decision. Thank you for the accurate and honest evaluation!
The trailer is a Northstar Cimarron? So you have a Chevy towing a Cadillac?
The more of this channel I watch the more open minded I get about best what is the best truck. I was a brand loyalist, but I can now see myself considering trucks of other brands from my historical favorite.
I never thought I’d say it (even though my current ride is a 14’ ram 2500 6.4 hemi-really really liking the truck) always been a gm guy. But out of the three I think the new Ram 3/4 has come the furthest. The 8 speed and 6.4 hemi is perfectly matched. If I could have swung it I’d have a new one for the tranny and engine combo alone. The pickup of the 8 speed and 6.4 gasser reminded me of a once 6.0 diesel I had for a short while. You can’t go wrong though with any of the new trucks today. They’re all pretty solid in their own right. When’s Yota coming out with a 3/4 ton that’s the question?
Yess on YOTA! if they did it would destroy the big 3
Wish these guys would manually shift to keep the rpms up. Thats what everyone in the real world would do
Manufactures should program the automatic better.
6:12 buttholes???
Lol
I heard the same thing...
I heard that at the exact time I saw your message!!!
Haha
Ragingbull340 Me too
@Ragingbull340 who doesn't?
NO WAY! Would I spend the extra 10 grand for a oil burner! Operating expenses plus the price of diesel dont make sense to me. My 6.4 Ram pulls my 9000lb boat with ease. And I dont have to worry about replacing injectors or making sure my DEF tank is full. I think its pretty amazing the power manufacturers are able to get from these engines. That truck was loaded with 16000lb!!!
When will the Ike gauntlet for the 2019 ram 2500 6.4 hemi with 8 speed transmission drop?
Hector Cortes yes! I’ve been asking for this for months! And not a power wagon please. A truck made for towing with a 4.10
@@MrXerxes yep it either 3500 Rpm or redline when shit gets heavy need few in between
I want to see an F250 with a 7.3. And the 10 speed.
@@MrXerxes they used to have 4:56s until a few years ago
Thorsten I had the 2017 with the six speed I agree with you opinion it killed the motor performance now have the 2019 power wagon with the 8 speed one of the finest working motor transmission combo ever drive one when you can you will be impressed
Just goes to show that diesel is king. There's a reason why most of the HD trucks sold are the diesel option. I dont think most people care about the roughly 10k price difference. They care about their towing experience. And honestly daily driving the diesel is a lot of fun too! Damn these new diesels have power! Go diesel and never look back. If you're gonna spend this kind of money on a truck. Honestly 10k more isnt that much when taking the price of what these trucks already cost into consideration. And who's worried about things breaking on the more expensive diesels? Probably not many as well. Thats what warranties and extended warranties are for. People buying these trucks I would say can afford the warranties and can afford to fix them.
Damn the Ike Gauntlet is a tough test. Not a motor I would go for if I was towing these weights, but as you say the Diesel is 10k more and that's too much of a price increase over the Gas.. Great work guys.
I would buy one anyway. I shift myself. But I don’t pull anywhere near that. Notice it didn’t overheat.
Poor girl needs the 10-Speed, that engine has the power to do better. The 6-speed is a time tested and proved setup, but the gears are just too far apart.
@@andrewsbbq loses less momentum when switching through gears able to keep it at peak for longer
If you wanna see too far apart look at the 4 speed they used to use on their half tons lol. 1st goes to about 45 and 2nd goes to like 75 lol.
@@andrewsbbq Gassers have a more sensitive torque range. Being able to keep it in the highest power band rpm is key to a gasser towing. It didn't look like auto shift was working well. I would have put it in manual to make it up shift.
@andrews If you notice, anytime the engine was over 4,500 RPM it was able to accelerate (not just maintain speed) till it would shift into the next gear (mainly 2nd to 3rd). When it hit 3rd gear it was at 3,600 rpm which is not enough power to hold speed and then it would slow down till it down shifted. Having more gears allows the engine to have more places where it can hit 5,000 RPM and over. The 10-speed would have a gear ratio in between 2nd and 3rd on the 6-speed and allow the truck to rev higher in this gear while going the same speed like over 4,000 at 60 mph not 3,600 in the 6-speed. With a 16,000 lb trailer it’s not just about power, it’s about at what speed (MPH) this power occurs. Exact same reason that a lot of semis have 18 gears.
I’d love to see the new GM 6.6 gasser with 10 speed transmission tested
really the best truck series on the web!
I’ve been a GM truck buyer since 80s, including the last two Denali diesels. No more, General Motors and GLSEN.
NEEDS the 10 speed if they want to keep those 3.73 gears. Either that or go back to 4.10 with the 6 speed.
10 speed and 4.10
@@gen1c8rs88 Honestly it would be no point to do it. The 3.73 and 10 speed would be more than perfect. I do think that it will be interesting to see what Ford runs with their 10 speed and the gas engines. I don't think the 4.30 will be returning.
@@killercan10 I have heard 4.3 gears and a 10 speed with the Tremor off road package, keep in mind 285/75r18 Duratrac tires are rated at 35.1 inches in diameter.
They should have kept the 4:10 and put in a taller OD gear. Mine runs at 2000 RPM on the hyway at 60mpg in 6th gear. When not towing it should be 1600 RPM like my last 1/2 ton 4.8ltr v8.
I wish they would do another run using manual mode to see what they could get out of it. Just to see what the difference is I’m sure you would shave at least a minute off the time. Come on TFL I would like to see it and I’m sure thousands more would too.
Going to say, before i watch it, a diesel always out pulls a gas. But, let's keep watching lol
The Hemi out-pulled the EcoDiesel in this test. It all depends on which engine has more power, and this test is going to favor whichever engine is turbocharged because of the altitude.
PistonAvatarGuy he was probably talking about the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Of course any of the 3.0L diesels won’t keep up with their V-8 counterparts.
@@kirbygoodwin5760 Yeah, but if Ford were to build something like a 5 liter, inline 6 EcoBoost engine, it would waste the HD diesels as well.
PistonAvatarGuy Why would a 5.0 liter “waste” bigger diesels? You just contradicted your first statement.
PistonAvatarGuy No shit? 🤦♂️
Gm’s to do list with this truck. 8-10 speed trani, 4.10 axle ratio, functional hood scoop!!! For shizles. What’s up with that! Why make a second identical hood that’s not functional instead of only making one that is functional!!!?
It made it- but damn 25mph... Same dude must have rated this for 16k that dreamt up the Gladiator pulling 7650.
I thought both the Ford and the Chevy squatted 4in. But you took a lot more points off the Chevy than the Ford for the same squat. Didn't the Chevy have a higher payload rating then the Ford? I don't get it. And I don't get why GM won't put the 10-speed in this truck.
Yeah, that's what I want! Having to maintain 5,000rpm
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@No F-Bdy Bs you must be a flat lander that’s never lived or towed in the mountains. When you’re pulling max weight up a 7% grade you’re not going to be in sixth gear and a low engine rpm. The diesel engines are also at the upper end of their rpm range.
Not built to last in my book.
carl atamanczyk if it’s below redline then it’s gonna last. What makes you think 5000 rpms for 10 minutes max once in a blue moon is bad for an engine designed to run up to 6000 rpms?
Show me a gas burner that won't tach out on that Incline and elevation.
16k trailer....impressive for any gas engine up that hill
A simplel durable truck without things that fail. It looks great and is priced competitive but still high for me. To be honest, I find myself saying my next truck moving from half to three qtr, i'm going to get a work truck - simple, affordable, and gets the job done. They kind of nailed my thoughts with this truck. Only one in my way now is CA DMV yearly charges on big trucks.
Need to do a new towing review side by side of all the new HD gassers! Rams new 8speed on the 6.4. And Chevy and fords new hd gas motors
Aundrea, let's get the active hood scoop and airbox from the diesel and put it on the gasser. Let's see what we get for 0 to 60 and an Ike run.