@ibold1000 I'm starting to feel for Andre and being trapped in that cab with Mr. Truck It seems like he's starting to be sliding down the scale of mental decline. He's beginning to seem like that one uncle who keeps his flask hiding in the tool box of his truck which he visits 3 times per hour. This video makes me wish that I had written down the numbers that Gale Banks came up with when they did a Dyno session with their 2024 Duramax to determine the power that's making it to the ground. Time for me to go see if I left my wallet in my Toolbox.
The auto ex. Brake on the Duramax is built into the cruise control. If you don’t use cruise it’s giving you 100% vein closure. If you use cruise control it will modulate to control speed.
@@dave194315 well if you cancel cruise you are back with what we are complaining about ,lack of hold back . Better to put your concentration on what is ahead of you . not on fumbling for switches .
The exhaust brake is 100% meant to work with cruise. If you set the cruise to 50mph it knows if you're going up or down and how much braking you need. It's magic. Otherwise the truck just has to guess. Set for 50, it'll keep it at 50.
Isn't that what cruise control does? Lol. A true exhaust brake should be separate and work on its own. Every vehicle with cruise control will maintain whatever speed you set it to and adaptive will regulate speed with traffic and curves. Chevy dropped the ball on its exhaust brake.
First rule while towing in the mountains and winter is not to use cruise. Secondly what if you need to do an emergency stop while going downhill? Had 2 23 duramaxes. One got dumped for a ram and the other got demoted to local use.
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Great video! I knew the 2500 duramax was going to handle the load well. I am more concerned with the payload. Being able to show the CAT scale ticket would be awesome! The Banks Data is awesome! Also, I'm not liking the stars system. The points system was more precise and you don't have to worry about splitting stars to make your point. I recommend the point system again with 75% objective, 25% subjective. Love the video!
The 2020-current 2500hd have the same or more payload than the 2011-2019 1 ton trucks. They are a big improvement over the 2011-2019 2500HD. 20:38 the payload on the truck they drove was 2997lbs. That was a 1 ton SRW Duramax 4x4 WT from 2019. The new 1 tons are all over 3000lbs payload.
Well considering both Ford and GM increased gross vehicle weight ratings and 3500 single rear wheels all the way over 13,000 pounds they have plenty of payload.
Hey guys I'm looking to buy a new 2024 3/4 ton and this testing in your review totally made my mind up that I'm going to buy the new Chevy 3/4 ton You're the only channel that does real world testing again thank you so much
I run a large business. In my mind 3/4Ts are only worth buying if you’re getting a V8 because diesels are so heavy that otherwise the payload is really disappointing. Thats just my opinion but every hd diesel in my fleet is a 3, 4 or 5 class Also, I have nothing against gmc/chevy in any way but you should look at ford in particular. We’ve tried everything over and over and fords stand out with the most uptime and selfishly I really love their seats
@@mattbrew11 agree. The only downside, if someone gets a Ford diesel, you will have spend money right away to make modifications to your fuel pump system to avoid any fuel pump failures.
I watched these videos before I pulled my camper up that mountain and was pretty surprised by how tough it was. I've been up it twice with two different trucks and it's a hell of a mountain. Not that crazy steep just so long and high up. The only way to describe it to people is if your truck is a v8 it's like you're on 4 cylinders AND you're towing.
I have a 23 3500 duramax SRW. I did a 4000 mile trip with a 14,000 5th wheel, and never touched the brakes on a downhill in the entire trip. The cruise control works great with the exhaust brake. It also works well putting the gear selector in L, and using the + and - switch on the shifter stalk to manually select gears, which also works awesome.
I'm a big believer in still having some manual control over the vehicle, i.e. using + and - manual gear selection. I get why TFLtruck doesn't do it in their reviews though.
I gre up a Bow tie guy, I now drive a Ram 2500CTD and love it. But, I’ve been thinking of going back to the Bow tie on my next 3500. Another good video full of great information for us. Thanks again y’all
I think you guys should do a 2nd downhill test using cruise control. See what difference there is as many of us just use cruise control whenever possible.
I can say that on my 2022 3500hd, when I set the cruise, it will kick in a lot of exhaust braking to hold you back to the set speed. Without using CC, it will kick in exhaust braking but will slow you down to some unspecified speed. It doesn’t know when to stop exhaust braking if you don’t use cc.
On the 1500s it engages the brake pads on the cruise control..... Sooo I wouldn't use cruise on mountains. NO WHERE in the manual does it explain the cruise control can actually activate the foot brakes, so you find out they have overheated at the worst possible time.
The Chevy/GMC exhaust brake system works off of cruise control. If you set the cruise control and enable exhaust brake, it will keep you at your cruise control speed. Without cruise control, enabling exhaust brake will downshift earlier that it would otherwise, but it won't keep you at a particular speed. As an example, there's a steep hill near me that I can gain significant speed coasting down. I will gain speed down it even if I have exhaust brake turned on. But if I turn on cruise control (even if I'm already doing 10+ over), it will slow me to the cruise control speed and keep me there.
@@KC-zr1rd It's still the exhaust brake. If you have cruise control on, but exhaust break off, the system will allow you to go faster than the cruse control setting on a steep downhill. And also, very importantly, if both are on it slows you down via exhaust brake rather than wheel brakes.
Can't wait to see comparison with the new F250. Most interested to see mpg, engine brake, and up hill throttle. Payload and top towing numbers too. Comparison against both the standard 6.7 and h.o. 6.7. Both Ram and Ford offer H.O options. Not sure if you can get the H.O. on Ram 2500. No high output for gm. The Chevy interior seemed nice!!
It’s not that hot in their area but the high altitude stresses the engines more which generates more heat. A summer pull will challenge the cooling system.
There is a reason why almost all of these Ike videos are done in the winter. It’s because the manufacturers who lend them the trucks don’t want them to do it the summer. I assume that’s because the manufacturer doesn’t want a video of their truck overheating.
Great job to you both. Looking forward to seeing the new engines both 6.8 and 7.3 gassers then of course the HO diesel from ford and 6.6 with the 10 speed from GMC/Chevy.
I have a 22 hd2500. I have learned if you position your load where it squats the truck 2-2.5” it pulls a lot easier gets better fuel economy about 2 mpg’s at 12,000lbs. I understand it’s not always possible but it’s worth the extra effort if it’s possible. It definitely pulls better than the Ram 2500 without hesitation. I really like the Ram and it doesn’t struggle I am in no way bashing the Ram. I wouldn’t trade my Custom for a tradesman because I enjoy the smooth and quiet ride for day to day driving.
Ram had adaptive cruise since 2019. It’s worked with a trailer since the beginning. I haul about 30k on my 16-21 ram 2500s and a 22 3500 surprised how good they are at it. Also surprised how heavy that setup was y’all definitely have a well built trailer.
Hey Andre and Mr. Truck, great video!! Do y’all have any idea when y’all are going to get your hands on a 2024 Chevrolet 6.6L gasser, with the new 10 speed transmission? That’s the video I’m dying to see.
Watching Andre chase Mr Truck hat was priceless! 🤣 But on a side note the sticker in the door showing the weight is very misleading and GM needs to make that correct, most people are not going to open a app and key in the vin# to see the correct weight, they are going off the sticker in the door
I think you guys might be asking alot of the weight estimating system. It seems to me it's just a tool that estimates the load to warn folks if they may be overweight. I'm pretty sure this system is in no way supposed to replace a certified scale.
I can't get enough of these Gauntlet videos, especially with Andre and Mr. Truck teamed up. I agree with them hammering GM for the loaded suspension squat. GM needs to get air ride ASAP.
I have a Ford, so I can relate to the loaded squat. If they stiffen the suspension, then every owner complains about a rough ride. The only solution is optional air.
I disagree that's really not that bad on squat considering the weight it has on it. Plus, if it's stiffer to get less squat, it will ride so rough that would be a complaint. But I do wish they would add auto leveling headlights tied into the amount of squat it does have though to not blind everyone while having a load
That truck is designed for squat, that is why the rear sits up higher than then the front. I would have found a level piece of ground and put a level on it to see if it is going up hill from rear to front. The fact the truck almost ran a perfect time is pretty impressive in my opinion. My 21 High Country was a towing beast, I actually preferred towing with that truck over my Ford. I wish Chevrolet had a little better padding in the seats, I am really interested in the new GMC AT4X HD.
Thanks for the review. I appreciate the Banks temperatures. I put money down on a loaded 3500HD LTZ a couple weeks ago. $85K I just took delivery of my new truck. It was a five-month order wait, but worth it. It's a very smooth driving truck - almost "car like." The ride is smooth and the interior noise is very low. Diesel mileage is 16MPG around town. It may need a mileage tune. The map display screen is high definition which allows great detail and makes quick reading easy.
From the day I took delivery of my 2022 high country 1500. I regretted not waiting for the high country 2500 HD. Definitely going to start the process of getting the 2024 2500 high country shortly. Nice review guys
Having a Masters in Mechanical Engineering - it is about getting the power to the ground. The payload capacity is more important than the number or type of springs. What is the towing capacity? Just looking at HP and Torque numbers really is only a starting point. What are the shape of the curves? Where do they come on and where do they go flat? What are the gear ratios in the transmission? What is the overall gear ratio? What is the rear end gear ratio? Dodge and Ford may be going to higher number simply for bragging rights. If it will pull what you need, accelerate how you want, and the other stuff don't worry about it too much. Too bad a larger fuel tank is not a factory option. Why would you use a Ram 2500 vs F350 and 3500? Have to keep it as close to each other as possible. Why 16800 and not 19100 - lawyers. I was happy to see Chevy did not put the trailer brake controller on the center console. At least I did not see it there. I am in the market for a new truck and it will probably be Chevy High Country. The new Ford front end is a major step backwards from the 2022 and the interior brown on the Denali Ultimate is also not to my taste - looks like a Ford King Ranch; perhaps the AT4 but the trailer controller is still in a bad location.
Absolutely my favorite videos!! Thank you guys! I was driving in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee in my 2020 Raptor. Using the truck to hunt for a 6-7% grade to see what you guys drive a priority! It’s more than you think it would be.
I’d like to see brake temp readings after a downhill Ike with adaptive cruise and one without to compare how the use of brakes would affect the braking performance for each mode.
Trucks now are crazy. I had a 1983 f250 with a 6.9L diesel and it made 160hp and 310tq. I remember hearing a 1994.5 powerstroke start for the first time and wondered if it was going to blow a rod through the block it was so loud. My uncle had a 1989 d350 with a Cummins and a case tractors with the same motor. There was no ordering food in a drivethu with the motor running back then.
I know the first time I towed with our 2008 Dodge 2500 I was really impressed with how well the exhaust brake did at keeping our speed down coming through the Appalachian's. We were towing a triple axle with a TD-6 on it so running circa 14-16k and I didn't have to worry about braking it held the load at 55mph or below no problem.
I remember the first time you tested a gm with the exhaust brake like this. You deducted points because it slowed the truck too much. I commented then, all you have to do is feather the throttle and it'll stay the exact speed you want or as others have said,, set the cruise control. I have a 2017 sierra all terrain x 2500, I just modulate the throttle and im always in control.
Most things work better brand new. Let’s see one with 100k,200k,300k+ in a world of planned obsolescence we like to see things last a little longer. Thanks for the work you do and the content. Great chemistry between you two
This is the first chevy HD that I actually want. That interior is awesome, that transmission is great! Anything on if the Def problems are getting better or still a nightmare?
I honestly doubt if they'll ever get better. I love my 2020 Duramax, but at 160,000 miles (I run hotshot) I've replaced the DPF once, within 40,000, and then just had to replace the entire DEF tank because the heater went out ($1400). I run Blue DEF and Blue DEF Platinum instead of pump DEF whenever I can. I also use the 64 oz bottle of Lucas Deep clean with DPF cleaner at least once a month
@Chris Don’t run the Platinum Blue DEF. It’s no bueno. Almost everyone I know that tried it, it throws warnings / codes on GM emission systems. I tried 5 gallons of it, and got codes for the first time ever. Searched the inter webs, and it’s use has caused GM owners widespread issues. Just use the regular blue stuff, or any DEF…. DEF IS DEF!!!
Denso Fuel system. US manufacturers stuck with Bosch HPFP which sucks. CP3 cant deliver 7 shots and CP4.2 is a live grenade. I will take Japanese over American tech here.
I think the super IKE needs to be the longest heaviest bumper pull camper. We all know they have the power between any brand but it’s all about the stability and control
It's crazy how expensive these trucks are getting. I bought a fully loaded 2017 Ram 3500 6.7 Diesel Longhorn Laramie Megacab 4X4 Dually new in June 2017. $77,000 MSRP. Got it for $67,000. Been an excellent truck. I'll keep it for a long time. Only 52,000 miles on it.
Most folks cannot afford the new ones. Will be interesting on where that goes (less sales will hurt dealers)…. At what point do vehicles stop moving at a good clip, and the rebates come back or pricing structure changes…. Remember, they make ALL their $$ on these trucks and large SUVs, their EVs and sedans and small compacts are losers…
You can love the truck all you want, but a average person can’t afford a $90,000.00 to 110,000.00 truck. I have a 2019 3500 and pulled 30,000 pounds with no problems. And I have a CDL, and I love my truck.
You said the towing capacity was inaccurate on the sticker. You also said you were right at maximum weight. Is that based on the sticker or the app? What was the weight of the cargo?
Good to see Mr Truck and Mr Tow (aka the future Mr. Truck) back on the IKE! 87K? Sorry, but no.... Only way to deal with manufacturers charging this much is buy work trucks not luxury bloatware, but to each their own. Drive a luxury car and own a work truck.
Great vid, ty for sharing ... yup those stickers really seem not right if they are so much off ... I use more payload then towing ... would be interesting to see what it actually can handle in payload and how much it actually squats ...
Would you have had that one brake application if you had used cruise control from the start? Seems the GM unit will do a variable vane actuator scenario on that exhaust brake if you use cruise control.
Always like to see Mr Truck on here. I’m thinking something is probably up with the app giving you a 16000 something gooseneck rating because that’s what a gas truck is rated for. So there’s probably something going on there. 19,100 is your rating like the door sticker says. Also, GM HD trucks have 36 gallon fuel tanks, as they always have had since atleast the 2011 model. The only exception is 2020+ diesel, double cab, standard bed trucks.
You guys need to talk to someone else at gm. The tow rating on the sticker is correct. Also, please use the cruise on the downhill with tow mode on and the exhaust brake enabled like it's designed to be used. I'd love to see you use a 3500 SRW, as these have a heavier chassis and suspension with the bigger rear axle, and those are becoming more mainstream for people pulling more than 15k.
Most important it is awesome to see Mr. Truck on the max tow Ike. Nothing against anyone else, Mr. Truck has more experience and respect than the rest, sorry. If the stickers are not accurate that is criminal, don't know who would think it would be ok to put a sticker in the vehicle showing the vehicle numbers and expect you to then need to cross reference to the internet. That needs to be done correctly, either do not put the sticker in or do it accurately. I cannot believe anyone would sign off on that idea. The company has declined so much under Mary. Her salary in 2021 was $29.1 Million dollars. Thank you to all of the crew doing the Ike run.
If you use the cruise control you will utilize the exhaust break more effectively. It will slow the truck down on down grades without any pedal. I've run hotshot with a 2020 duramax and a 2021 duramax and that is how I drive thru mountain ranges is by using cruise at 50mph and the exhaust brake on as always for towing. The only time I used the pedal was for turns which for 50 mph and a gooseneck behind me I always thought was too fast.
On these HD truck towing tests, please show your scale ticket and the Vin plate on the trailer too so we can understand the details better. Also would be good to help people understand that even if your scale ticket is under 26,001 total, your registered combination was clearly over 26,000 in this case. Not an issue since you have a CDL, but for guys looking to avoid CDL territory, it would be helpful.
If you watch the part where they are looking at the stickers it says above all the information "Vehicle and trailer must not exceed ANY OF THESE VALUES". It also says to see the owner's manual for more information. This means that it probably just depends on the features that you have on the truck. I would bet there is a trim that will take the 19100 but they just made a general sticker that they could slap on all the trucks and say "Don't go over this". Instead of making a specific sticker for each truck based on its features.
@24:27 - the Banks graph is a nice addition to your review. Do you have the ability to also plot transmission temperatures alongside the other values? That would be really interesting to see. And to Mr. Truck - hold onto your hat - it's a nice one!
The weight sensing system is only so accurate, notice they say "you MAY be over-tonnage" meaning that you're close to the limit (or possibly over) and should check and make sure you're still legal
Saturday morning waking up to Mr. Truck and Andre for the Ike Gauntlet just doesn't get better than that!
Thanks so much
@MrTruck We love ya, Mr.Truck!
@ibold1000 I'm starting to feel for Andre and being trapped in that cab with Mr. Truck It seems like he's starting to be sliding down the scale of mental decline. He's beginning to seem like that one uncle who keeps his flask hiding in the tool box of his truck which he visits 3 times per hour.
This video makes me wish that I had written down the numbers that Gale Banks came up with when they did a Dyno session with their 2024 Duramax to determine the power that's making it to the ground. Time for me to go see if I left my wallet in my Toolbox.
You need a girl
Forget the trucks. Give Mr truck some respect for looking like a new man. Kudos to you sir.
Yes it's a lot of efforts. I'm doing this right now and i know how hard it is.Takes a lot of will.
@@mclroy I took 75 lbs off myself on last 18 months. Life’s ups and downs but it feels good. Good luck to you mate.
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Doing it too now. Down 50lb another 50 to go.
@@cvytnioy56dvfuj4g7 Great to hear we can lose some weight. I have another 50 to go.
I like how when you turn on the turning signal it shows the camera down the side of the truck!
That is a great safety feature!
Yes, one of my favorite features
The auto ex. Brake on the Duramax is built into the cruise control. If you don’t use cruise it’s giving you 100% vein closure. If you use cruise control it will modulate to control speed.
My heart skipped a beat there when I read "100% vein closure". Then I figured out that he meant vane.
@@andyharman3022 I hadn’t had my coffee yet haha
which is dumb ,what if you have to slow for corners or slow traffic or an increase in grade .
@@rodgood then the exhaust brake will already be giving you everything it has… or you should cancel cruise…
@@dave194315 well if you cancel cruise you are back with what we are complaining about ,lack of hold back . Better to put your concentration on what is ahead of you . not on fumbling for switches .
The Andre and Mr. Truck duo is the best in the biz!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 um no
Very entertaining
I don't like mr truck
@@jacksonrodabaugh9984 you like Mrs truck better?
@@mikefoehr235 haha🤣
No
It’s nice to see a series of videos with Mr. Truck back with Andre.
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I'm not a Chevy fanboy, but that is a nice truck! The trailer is REALLY NICE!
We def need a test with the 6.6 gasser and new 10 speed!!
The exhaust brake is 100% meant to work with cruise. If you set the cruise to 50mph it knows if you're going up or down and how much braking you need. It's magic. Otherwise the truck just has to guess. Set for 50, it'll keep it at 50.
Isn't that what cruise control does? Lol. A true exhaust brake should be separate and work on its own. Every vehicle with cruise control will maintain whatever speed you set it to and adaptive will regulate speed with traffic and curves. Chevy dropped the ball on its exhaust brake.
How do these guys NOT KNOW THIS?!?! I have a 2011 and it works perfectly with cruise control.
First rule while towing in the mountains and winter is not to use cruise. Secondly what if you need to do an emergency stop while going downhill? Had 2 23 duramaxes. One got dumped for a ram and the other got demoted to local use.
I'm interested in seeing the performance and efficiency of the 6.6 gas engine now that it's paired with the 10 speed transmission.
Who is the idiot that chained that truck down
We love Mr. Truck. Great to see you and hear your feedback!
Thanks so much
Wow two weeks in a roll , with mister truck . KEEP THEM COMING
Three weeks in a row actually. 😁
You know it's a good video, even before you watch it, if MrTruck is in it. 👍👍
I didn’t know who that was until started talking. No beard!
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We greatly appreciate all the work the entire TFL crew puts into these productions! Incredibly well made and much appreciated gents! God Bless all and thank God we live in such a great country. Thanks to all who protect it. Praying for world peace on this holy day.
I said it in another comment section for the channel, base model trucks are going to make a comeback with these crazy prices.
Great video! I knew the 2500 duramax was going to handle the load well. I am more concerned with the payload. Being able to show the CAT scale ticket would be awesome! The Banks Data is awesome! Also, I'm not liking the stars system. The points system was more precise and you don't have to worry about splitting stars to make your point. I recommend the point system again with 75% objective, 25% subjective. Love the video!
100% agree
The 2020-current 2500hd have the same or more payload than the 2011-2019 1 ton trucks. They are a big improvement over the 2011-2019 2500HD. 20:38 the payload on the truck they drove was 2997lbs. That was a 1 ton SRW Duramax 4x4 WT from 2019. The new 1 tons are all over 3000lbs payload.
Well considering both Ford and GM increased gross vehicle weight ratings and 3500 single rear wheels all the way over 13,000 pounds they have plenty of payload.
@@killercan10 I can confirm my 2022 2500 CCLB duramax has a payload of 3250
Hey guys I'm looking to buy a new 2024 3/4 ton and this testing in your review totally made my mind up that I'm going to buy the new Chevy 3/4 ton You're the only channel that does real world testing again thank you so much
If you can find a 1 ton with everything you want I would step up to that. Just leaves extra room if you want anything heavier in the future
Buy a 1 ton version
I run a large business. In my mind 3/4Ts are only worth buying if you’re getting a V8 because diesels are so heavy that otherwise the payload is really disappointing.
Thats just my opinion but every hd diesel in my fleet is a 3, 4 or 5 class
Also, I have nothing against gmc/chevy in any way but you should look at ford in particular. We’ve tried everything over and over and fords stand out with the most uptime and selfishly I really love their seats
@@mattbrew11 agree. The only downside, if someone gets a Ford diesel, you will have spend money right away to make modifications to your fuel pump system to avoid any fuel pump failures.
@C Z
No you don't....😜😛😜😛
I’ve had one of these trucks ordered since the end of January and I have been waiting on this video every single day
What a great Saturday
Andre is a gem and the Mr Truck combo is amazing. Great work as usual guys!
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Doesn't matter if you have gas or diesel for towing you get 3 mpg up hill good information
I almost busted my gut watching Andre running 🏃🏻♂️ after Mr. Trucks Hat ! 😂
I'm glad he got it
A few months ago I drove the Ike. The camera does not even come close how steep and how difficult of a test this is.
I watched these videos before I pulled my camper up that mountain and was pretty surprised by how tough it was. I've been up it twice with two different trucks and it's a hell of a mountain. Not that crazy steep just so long and high up. The only way to describe it to people is if your truck is a v8 it's like you're on 4 cylinders AND you're towing.
I have a 23 3500 duramax SRW. I did a 4000 mile trip with a 14,000 5th wheel, and never touched the brakes on a downhill in the entire trip. The cruise control works great with the exhaust brake. It also works well putting the gear selector in L, and using the + and - switch on the shifter stalk to manually select gears, which also works awesome.
I'm a big believer in still having some manual control over the vehicle, i.e. using + and - manual gear selection. I get why TFLtruck doesn't do it in their reviews though.
Awesome video. Would love to see a new redesigned ‘23 F250 tremor with the new high output 6.7 do an IKE!
I do really like the banks data graph so keep giving us those numbers please!! I'd add in transmission temperature and throttle position with it too.
I gre up a Bow tie guy, I now drive a Ram 2500CTD and love it. But, I’ve been thinking of going back to the Bow tie on my next 3500. Another good video full of great information for us. Thanks again y’all
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Finally another Ike gauntlet run!! Made my morning
I think you guys should do a 2nd downhill test using cruise control. See what difference there is as many of us just use cruise control whenever possible.
I can say that on my 2022 3500hd, when I set the cruise, it will kick in a lot of exhaust braking to hold you back to the set speed. Without using CC, it will kick in exhaust braking but will slow you down to some unspecified speed. It doesn’t know when to stop exhaust braking if you don’t use cc.
On the 1500s it engages the brake pads on the cruise control..... Sooo I wouldn't use cruise on mountains. NO WHERE in the manual does it explain the cruise control can actually activate the foot brakes, so you find out they have overheated at the worst possible time.
@@duramaxadventures5832my 1500 downshifts when using cruise.
You guys gotta do more together. Look forward to the new IKE gauntlets. Keep it going. 💯
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The Chevy/GMC exhaust brake system works off of cruise control. If you set the cruise control and enable exhaust brake, it will keep you at your cruise control speed. Without cruise control, enabling exhaust brake will downshift earlier that it would otherwise, but it won't keep you at a particular speed.
As an example, there's a steep hill near me that I can gain significant speed coasting down. I will gain speed down it even if I have exhaust brake turned on. But if I turn on cruise control (even if I'm already doing 10+ over), it will slow me to the cruise control speed and keep me there.
But then it isn't the engine brake slowing you down. It's the cruise system slowing you down technically.
@@KC-zr1rd It's still the exhaust brake. If you have cruise control on, but exhaust break off, the system will allow you to go faster than the cruse control setting on a steep downhill.
And also, very importantly, if both are on it slows you down via exhaust brake rather than wheel brakes.
Can't wait to see comparison with the new F250. Most interested to see mpg, engine brake, and up hill throttle. Payload and top towing numbers too. Comparison against both the standard 6.7 and h.o. 6.7. Both Ram and Ford offer H.O options. Not sure if you can get the H.O. on Ram 2500. No high output for gm. The Chevy interior seemed nice!!
This episode was so awesome! Love the guy with the hat. Great back and forth dialogue
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Wish they would do this again in the heat of summer to test the cooling systems of trucks.
It doesn’t get very hot in the summer in that area. AZ would be a more appropriate place to test the cooling while towing up hills.
Up and down hills phx to heber az 🔥🔥 hot
Its never that hot up there.
There are grades in az, ca & nm that are where you go if you wanna see a radiator burst or head gaskets go bye bye 😂
It’s not that hot in their area but the high altitude stresses the engines more which generates more heat. A summer pull will challenge the cooling system.
There is a reason why almost all of these Ike videos are done in the winter. It’s because the manufacturers who lend them the trucks don’t want them to do it the summer. I assume that’s because the manufacturer doesn’t want a video of their truck overheating.
Great job to you both. Looking forward to seeing the new engines both 6.8 and 7.3 gassers then of course the HO diesel from ford and 6.6 with the 10 speed from GMC/Chevy.
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I have a 22 hd2500. I have learned if you position your load where it squats the truck 2-2.5” it pulls a lot easier gets better fuel economy about 2 mpg’s at 12,000lbs. I understand it’s not always possible but it’s worth the extra effort if it’s possible. It definitely pulls better than the Ram 2500 without hesitation. I really like the Ram and it doesn’t struggle I am in no way bashing the Ram. I wouldn’t trade my Custom for a tradesman because I enjoy the smooth and quiet ride for day to day driving.
Ram had adaptive cruise since 2019. It’s worked with a trailer since the beginning. I haul about 30k on my 16-21 ram 2500s and a 22 3500 surprised how good they are at it. Also surprised how heavy that setup was y’all definitely have a well built trailer.
Ram has had garbage frames for even longer than that, since we’re bragging
@@mattbrew11 Ram's HD frame was completely redesigned in 2019.
There’s a reason that all you see towing heavy loads on the highway are Rams 💪
Oh ok.
@@hellkitty1014 well shit I hope so. We only have rams for a 5500 lift box that was unavailable elsewhere
These the videos I enjoy. I have been watching you guys since early 2019. I love the Ike max towing, yall got me into HD trucks 😅😅😅
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Hey Andre and Mr. Truck, great video!!
Do y’all have any idea when y’all are going to get your hands on a 2024 Chevrolet 6.6L gasser, with the new 10 speed transmission? That’s the video I’m dying to see.
Hopefully within a few weeks. We are trying.
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Watching Andre chase Mr Truck hat was priceless! 🤣 But on a side note the sticker in the door showing the weight is very misleading and GM needs to make that correct, most people are not going to open a app and key in the vin# to see the correct weight, they are going off the sticker in the door
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The duo is back at it! lol that wind was pretty intense , glad yall didnt get blown away!
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I think you guys might be asking alot of the weight estimating system. It seems to me it's just a tool that estimates the load to warn folks if they may be overweight. I'm pretty sure this system is in no way supposed to replace a certified scale.
I think this is the 3/4 ton I would buy. Though in LT trim with some options.
Go ahead for the one ton! For the payload!
@@kevincameron8437 why don’t I just get a Class 8
Good video, back on the IKE with a real truck. Not to mention the best two guys doing the video.
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I can't get enough of these Gauntlet videos, especially with Andre and Mr. Truck teamed up.
I agree with them hammering GM for the loaded suspension squat. GM needs to get air ride ASAP.
I have a Ford, so I can relate to the loaded squat. If they stiffen the suspension, then every owner complains about a rough ride. The only solution is optional air.
I disagree that's really not that bad on squat considering the weight it has on it. Plus, if it's stiffer to get less squat, it will ride so rough that would be a complaint. But I do wish they would add auto leveling headlights tied into the amount of squat it does have though to not blind everyone while having a load
That truck is designed for squat, that is why the rear sits up higher than then the front. I would have found a level piece of ground and put a level on it to see if it is going up hill from rear to front. The fact the truck almost ran a perfect time is pretty impressive in my opinion. My 21 High Country was a towing beast, I actually preferred towing with that truck over my Ford. I wish Chevrolet had a little better padding in the seats, I am really interested in the new GMC AT4X HD.
Exactly, if there was no squad the ride without trailer would be very uncomfortable!
Thanks for the review. I appreciate the Banks temperatures. I put money down on a loaded 3500HD LTZ a couple weeks ago. $85K
I just took delivery of my new truck. It was a five-month order wait, but worth it. It's a very smooth driving truck - almost "car like." The ride is smooth and the interior noise is very low. Diesel mileage is 16MPG around town. It may need a mileage tune. The map display screen is high definition which allows great detail and makes quick reading easy.
From the day I took delivery of my 2022 high country 1500. I regretted not waiting for the high country 2500 HD. Definitely going to start the process of getting the 2024 2500 high country shortly. Nice review guys
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Being a long time ram man. I’m impressed with this truck
Mr Truck absolutely made this video special.
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Having a Masters in Mechanical Engineering - it is about getting the power to the ground. The payload capacity is more important than the number or type of springs. What is the towing capacity? Just looking at HP and Torque numbers really is only a starting point. What are the shape of the curves? Where do they come on and where do they go flat? What are the gear ratios in the transmission? What is the overall gear ratio? What is the rear end gear ratio? Dodge and Ford may be going to higher number simply for bragging rights. If it will pull what you need, accelerate how you want, and the other stuff don't worry about it too much. Too bad a larger fuel tank is not a factory option. Why would you use a Ram 2500 vs F350 and 3500? Have to keep it as close to each other as possible. Why 16800 and not 19100 - lawyers.
I was happy to see Chevy did not put the trailer brake controller on the center console. At least I did not see it there. I am in the market for a new truck and it will probably be Chevy High Country. The new Ford front end is a major step backwards from the 2022 and the interior brown on the Denali Ultimate is also not to my taste - looks like a Ford King Ranch; perhaps the AT4 but the trailer controller is still in a bad location.
Absolutely my favorite videos!! Thank you guys! I was driving in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee in my 2020 Raptor. Using the truck to hunt for a 6-7% grade to see what you guys drive a priority! It’s more than you think it would be.
I’d like to see brake temp readings after a downhill Ike with adaptive cruise and one without to compare how the use of brakes would affect the braking performance for each mode.
Can't wait to see the super duty with the high output powerstroke maxed out on the super ike.
Always great videos. Looking forward to you reviewing the 6.6 Gas version mated with the 10spd.
Trucks now are crazy. I had a 1983 f250 with a 6.9L diesel and it made 160hp and 310tq. I remember hearing a 1994.5 powerstroke start for the first time and wondered if it was going to blow a rod through the block it was so loud.
My uncle had a 1989 d350 with a Cummins and a case tractors with the same motor. There was no ordering food in a drivethu with the motor running back then.
Great video, that's a Canadian built truck . Oshawa Ontario, my hometown!
I know the first time I towed with our 2008 Dodge 2500 I was really impressed with how well the exhaust brake did at keeping our speed down coming through the Appalachian's. We were towing a triple axle with a TD-6 on it so running circa 14-16k and I didn't have to worry about braking it held the load at 55mph or below no problem.
I remember the first time you tested a gm with the exhaust brake like this. You deducted points because it slowed the truck too much. I commented then, all you have to do is feather the throttle and it'll stay the exact speed you want or as others have said,, set the cruise control. I have a 2017 sierra all terrain x 2500, I just modulate the throttle and im always in control.
The camera rear view mirror was not new for 2023 on RAM. My 2022 RAM3500 came with it. The outside mirrors were changed for 2023 on RAM
I really appreciate the work you guys do. Just recently bought a Chevy 2500 with the L8T and I love it!
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Most things work better brand new. Let’s see one with 100k,200k,300k+ in a world of planned obsolescence we like to see things last a little longer. Thanks for the work you do and the content. Great chemistry between you two
Actually they do a little beter with some miles get stuff a little broke in that's the way it was with my truck
Saturday morning coffee ☕️ with Andre, Mr. Truck and Super Ike.
This is the first chevy HD that I actually want. That interior is awesome, that transmission is great! Anything on if the Def problems are getting better or still a nightmare?
We bought a 2022 last year and it's getting lemoned/replaced because of DEF/emission and ECU issues
I wouldn’t buy any new diesel from any manufacturer unless i absolutely had to have the towing capacity. They are all crap now thanks to the EPA.
I honestly doubt if they'll ever get better. I love my 2020 Duramax, but at 160,000 miles (I run hotshot) I've replaced the DPF once, within 40,000, and then just had to replace the entire DEF tank because the heater went out ($1400). I run Blue DEF and Blue DEF Platinum instead of pump DEF whenever I can. I also use the 64 oz bottle of Lucas Deep clean with DPF cleaner at least once a month
@Chris Don’t run the Platinum Blue DEF. It’s no bueno. Almost everyone I know that tried it, it throws warnings / codes on GM emission systems. I tried 5 gallons of it, and got codes for the first time ever. Searched the inter webs, and it’s use has caused GM owners widespread issues. Just use the regular blue stuff, or any DEF…. DEF IS DEF!!!
Denso Fuel system. US manufacturers stuck with Bosch HPFP which sucks. CP3 cant deliver 7 shots and CP4.2 is a live grenade. I will take Japanese over American tech here.
I think the super IKE needs to be the longest heaviest bumper pull camper. We all know they have the power between any brand but it’s all about the stability and control
Patiently waiting on the new F250 with the HO motor to do a super Ike
You guys haven't figured out the GM Grade Braking strategy of using the gas pedal for one foot driving ? Even the 1500's do that.
Diamond C trailers are pretty sweet!
I'd like to see these same tests run from Bullhead City AZ to Golden Valley AZ (Davis Dam grade) in July to give us hot weather performance data.
In the middle of August- ( I live in this area)
Banks iDash on the windscreen! Love it. Best gauge and indeed accessory you could have ever!
It's crazy how expensive these trucks are getting. I bought a fully loaded 2017 Ram 3500 6.7 Diesel Longhorn Laramie Megacab 4X4 Dually new in June 2017. $77,000 MSRP. Got it for $67,000. Been an excellent truck. I'll keep it for a long time. Only 52,000 miles on it.
Most folks cannot afford the new ones. Will be interesting on where that goes (less sales will hurt dealers)…. At what point do vehicles stop moving at a good clip, and the rebates come back or pricing structure changes…. Remember, they make ALL their $$ on these trucks and large SUVs, their EVs and sedans and small compacts are losers…
You can love the truck all you want, but a average person can’t afford a $90,000.00 to 110,000.00 truck. I have a 2019 3500 and pulled 30,000 pounds with no problems. And I have a CDL, and I love my truck.
Another great video! Andre and Mr. Truck are the best automotive duo in the biz. Oh and kudos to Mr. Truck for looking great!
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I love how in depth this video is. Thanks. Keep them coming. Ready for the GMC next
You said the towing capacity was inaccurate on the sticker. You also said you were right at maximum weight. Is that based on the sticker or the app? What was the weight of the cargo?
It is so pleasant to see Mr Truck with you Andre to do the ike gauntlet.
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Good to see Mr Truck and Mr Tow (aka the future Mr. Truck) back on the IKE!
87K? Sorry, but no.... Only way to deal with manufacturers charging this much is buy work trucks not luxury bloatware, but to each their own. Drive a luxury car and own a work truck.
I really enjoyed the splitting roof seam camera angle.
Looking forward to the video. Didn't realize 2024 was next year
Great vid, ty for sharing ... yup those stickers really seem not right if they are so much off ... I use more payload then towing ... would be interesting to see what it actually can handle in payload and how much it actually squats ...
GM moved their fifth wheel & gooseneck further forward for better weight transfer and control. I believe it was a bit over an inch
I really enjoy watching Andre and Kent together! Great combo!
That makes me mad too about the towing too. Great job reviewing this truck guys.
You have to use cruise control with the exhaust break. Great video!
Would you have had that one brake application if you had used cruise control from the start? Seems the GM unit will do a variable vane actuator scenario on that exhaust brake if you use cruise control.
Always like to see Mr Truck on here.
I’m thinking something is probably up with the app giving you a 16000 something gooseneck rating because that’s what a gas truck is rated for. So there’s probably something going on there. 19,100 is your rating like the door sticker says.
Also, GM HD trucks have 36 gallon fuel tanks, as they always have had since atleast the 2011 model. The only exception is 2020+ diesel, double cab, standard bed trucks.
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In Canada, DOT looks at the door jam sticker.
You guys need to talk to someone else at gm. The tow rating on the sticker is correct. Also, please use the cruise on the downhill with tow mode on and the exhaust brake enabled like it's designed to be used. I'd love to see you use a 3500 SRW, as these have a heavier chassis and suspension with the bigger rear axle, and those are becoming more mainstream for people pulling more than 15k.
Set the cruise control to 50 and the truck the engine brake and the tow haul mode all work in concert with the cruise control
I enjoy watching you guys videos , great information you guys give out about pick up trucks , keep up the good content..
Thank you for the kind words
Most important it is awesome to see Mr. Truck on the max tow Ike. Nothing against anyone else, Mr. Truck has more experience and respect than the rest, sorry. If the stickers are not accurate that is criminal, don't know who would think it would be ok to put a sticker in the vehicle showing the vehicle numbers and expect you to then need to cross reference to the internet. That needs to be done correctly, either do not put the sticker in or do it accurately. I cannot believe anyone would sign off on that idea. The company has declined so much under Mary. Her salary in 2021 was $29.1 Million dollars. Thank you to all of the crew doing the Ike run.
If you use the cruise control you will utilize the exhaust break more effectively. It will slow the truck down on down grades without any pedal. I've run hotshot with a 2020 duramax and a 2021 duramax and that is how I drive thru mountain ranges is by using cruise at 50mph and the exhaust brake on as always for towing. The only time I used the pedal was for turns which for 50 mph and a gooseneck behind me I always thought was too fast.
It seems like air suspension always breaks and always ends up being removed/disabled. Not very reliable.
Thanks guys! 3.4 mpg vs 4.3 mpg on screen error. The tow rating sticker discrepancy is interesting!!
Kent is my favorite. More Kent please.
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On these HD truck towing tests, please show your scale ticket and the Vin plate on the trailer too so we can understand the details better. Also would be good to help people understand that even if your scale ticket is under 26,001 total, your registered combination was clearly over 26,000 in this case. Not an issue since you have a CDL, but for guys looking to avoid CDL territory, it would be helpful.
If you watch the part where they are looking at the stickers it says above all the information "Vehicle and trailer must not exceed ANY OF THESE VALUES". It also says to see the owner's manual for more information. This means that it probably just depends on the features that you have on the truck. I would bet there is a trim that will take the 19100 but they just made a general sticker that they could slap on all the trucks and say "Don't go over this". Instead of making a specific sticker for each truck based on its features.
@24:27 - the Banks graph is a nice addition to your review. Do you have the ability to also plot transmission temperatures alongside the other values? That would be really interesting to see. And to Mr. Truck - hold onto your hat - it's a nice one!
The weight sensing system is only so accurate, notice they say "you MAY be over-tonnage" meaning that you're close to the limit (or possibly over) and should check and make sure you're still legal
Liked the Banks graphed data.👍
I love your towing tests!