Hahaha, buckle up, I've got another 10 more videos planned for the genealogies. I bet you'll enjoy my later videos in which I discuss how early church fathers attempted to reconcile the genealogies of Matthew and Luke.
It's all good, except if you would please leave _lots_ of time between those because there are shitloads of other more urgent information to digest. 1 video per month would be enjoyable.
The more I study your videos in this playlist, the more I believe Jacob and Heli were brothers. That is why in Matt 1:16 Jacob BEGOT Joseph, and in Luke 3:23 Joseph, the son of Heli. Heli and Jacob had the same mother. This is why we have Solomon and Nathan's lineages. This is why no overlap. Thank you for the videos and hard work.
Do you believe that Jacob was the brother of Heli and that Heli died sonless so that Jacob's son Joseph was attributed to Heli according to Deuteronomy 25:5-10?
@@Nivalian I looked at it again today. If Heli was the father of Mary and later the adoptive father of Joseph according to Deuteronomy 25:5-10 then this means that there is evidence that Mary was older than her husband Joseph. doesn't this go against all thoughts that Joseph was older than Mary?
As you have said, the two different genealogies are theological lessons. One, the Matthew genealogy goes about the agenda of the tenth generation. Two, I think the Luke genealogy is referring to Lamech's statement in Genesis chapter four of his sin being avenged 77 times (as there are 77 generations in Luke's genealogy). When God tells Cain he'd be avenged seven times, it was true, but not enough. I think this referred to how Enoch was the seventh generation and that he was taken by God.
In your video you explain that there is NO overlap in the two genealogies, however you have the names Zerubbabel sitting right next to each other (Shealtiel is also listed in both). Why do you say there is no overlap? (Not that those 2 names being in both genealogies helps explain anything :). Thank you for the videos. They are very informative!
Hey Adrian, I guess you’re right. There is *some* overlap: Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Joseph and Jesus I should of said there is minimal overlap. Thanks for the support and I’m so glad you find my videos informative!!
The geneologies of Matthew & Luke do not contradict or conflict. They are the genealogies of 2 people, Mary & Joseph. The genealogical list in Matthew, from David to Jacob-Heli (spanning about 1000 years), contains 27 generations at 40 years each, so as to comply with the 40-year royal generational standard. Luke, on the other hand, gives 40 generations at a more comprehensible 25 years each. Hence, Lujke places Jesus in the 20th generation from Zerubbabel, whereas Matthew places him in the 11th generation from Zerubbabel. SUMMARY: Matthew---27 generations of 40 years, from Solomon. Patriarchal---Zerubbabel's father's line. Luke---40 generations of 25 years from Nathan. Matrierchal---Zerubbabel's mother's line. Both Solomon & Nathan are sons of David. Both lines converge at Zerubbabel, then diverge. Zerubbabel had 2 sons, Abiud & Rhesa. Matthew goes from Abiud, Mary's line. Luke goes from Rhesa, Joseph's line. Mary & Joseph were also related. Joseph was Mary's great-aunt Gadat's son. Mary's mother was Hannah. Her father was Joachim, (Yonakhir) the Elias Patriarch. Joseph's mother was Gadat. His father was Heli, the Jacob Patriarch. His title was 'Jacob', so he would be called Jacob-Heli. Joachim's mother was Sabartia (Sabhrath). His father was Matthat, the Zadok. Heli's father was Matthan, descended from Mattathias (Tobias), the Temple governor. This should clear up the confusion.
Mathew's genealogy is via Mary's FATHER, whom is also called Joseph and is the Royal line too David... Luke's genealogy is via Mary's Husband, whom, is also called Joseph, this is the Priestly line too David...
@@thestudyofchristianity You'll have to study older gospels that have been recently discovered where it says FATHER in Mathews Gospel... Look for Nehemiah Gordon on You tube... Hes done a whole series on it... Sorry dude...
As a believer and a scholar, my doctrine actually tells me to not only confront the contradictions, but also to honor them. Look at what is written: Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that you may long endure on the land that the LORD your God is assigning to you." How mystical is this verse. God is saying this out loud to the children of Israel/Jacob. But just who is Jacob? Did he honor his parents? Isaac (the father of Jacob) actually favored Esau over Jacob, but Rebekah (the mother of Jacob) favored Jacob over Esau. Isaac never changed his mind and Jacob did have to trick Isaac into giving him the blessing...Jacob chose to go with his mother's belief instead of his father's belief. I guess sometimes we too, must pick and choose.
Is the line of Abraham to Jesus through both David's son Solomon down to Zerubbabel on his father side and David's son Nathan down to Zerubbabel on his mother's side and did Zerubbabel have on line of descendants down to Joseph through Abiud and one line of descendants down to Mary through Rhesa that is one possibility that I would make sense and one you might consider looking into and get the results on
Eusebius was right. Luke, with "as was supposed" is saying that "this is the genealogy that was attributed to Jesus", at the time of writing. Think about it, who, at the time of Jesus, would have known his genealogy? People said "look, he is Jesus, the son of Joseph, from the tribe of Judah" but people didn't say "look the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat..." Let's see the versicle. Luke 3:23,38 (Douay Rheims 1899) "And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of thirty years; being (as it was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat, ... Who was of Henos, who was of Seth, who was of Adam, who was of God. " If Luke would have said "he was supposed the son of Joseph" in another context, we could think that he is implying Jesus is not the son of Joseph. But in this case, it doesn't make sense. Another reason being that, why bother giving a genealogy that don't correspond to him if he is not the real son of Joseph? Jews cannot receive the genealogy of an adopted father. Jesus was the real son of Joseph. The conception was miraculous, without sex, but the seed was from Joseph.
@@megamillion2461 Is a miracolous conception (to show that he is special, he is the Messiah) but with the seed of Joseph. God doesn't have seed, He is a spirit. He can do anything, he can take the seed from him and teleport it right inside the uterus of Miriam (Mary). There are other examples in the bible. Look *Gen 21:1* "And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken." and *1 Samuel **2:21* "And the Lord visited Hannah, so that she conceived, and bare three sons and two daughters. And the child Samuel grew before the Lord." These two examples point out to two miracolous conception but nobody doubted that the husbands were the fathers. Look for example that Abraham and Sarah were old, I don't think they had too much sex.
@@earuendil does the Bible say that Mary and Joseph did that the seed was transported. Because I always thought Jesus was the actual son of God like his literal son don’t you?
@@megamillion2461 According to the new testament, Yeshua was just a man, a very important one (the Messiah), born of a man and a woman. The son of God thing is just a title.
My take: Both genealogies are correct. One emphasize in a biological aspect, (Luke), while the other in a hierarchy aspect, (Matthew). It could be in my opinion, the same lineage, but because the emphasis are different, it affect the mention of people, therefore reflecting such distinctions. Then again, my take. May God keep you blessed.
bible researchers... pls listen update research: after captivitie zerubabel and group came to south india.the royal descenders of nathan tribe lived in kerala,kanyakumari,tirunelveli. very important leaders as zerubabel,ezra,jeremia returned to judea and rebuild the temple of jerusalem. the zerubsbel only returned to tirunelveli. God kept the royal king heirs secreatly in south india. zorobabel of mathew and zorobabel of luke are diffirent persons. they are not belongs to orijinal royal line.the original seed is in zerubabel(pls check the spelling ZORO and ZERU) he belongs to tamilnadu. the real hero CHRIST is TAMILIAN ! pls come to tambarabarani river and start your research ! tq ! praise the Lord !
OMG, and I thought you had finally been finished with the genealogy issue, and now a whole new series commences !
Hahaha, buckle up, I've got another 10 more videos planned for the genealogies.
I bet you'll enjoy my later videos in which I discuss how early church fathers attempted to reconcile the genealogies of Matthew and Luke.
It's all good, except if you would please leave _lots_ of time between those because there are shitloads of other more urgent information to digest. 1 video per month would be enjoyable.
The more I study your videos in this playlist, the more I believe Jacob and Heli were brothers. That is why in Matt 1:16 Jacob BEGOT Joseph, and in Luke 3:23 Joseph, the son of Heli. Heli and Jacob had the same mother. This is why we have Solomon and Nathan's lineages. This is why no overlap. Thank you for the videos and hard work.
Thank you 🙏 so glad to hear people engaging deeply in the topic and that my videos have been of some help
Do you believe that Jacob was the brother of Heli and that Heli died sonless so that Jacob's son Joseph was attributed to Heli according to Deuteronomy 25:5-10?
@@theperkguy5064 Yes, that's the verse
@@Nivalian i believe this is the real answer👍🏼🫱🏻🫲🏼
@@Nivalian I looked at it again today. If Heli was the father of Mary and later the adoptive father of Joseph according to Deuteronomy 25:5-10 then this means that there is evidence that Mary was older than her husband Joseph. doesn't this go against all thoughts that Joseph was older than Mary?
As you have said, the two different genealogies are theological lessons. One, the Matthew genealogy goes about the agenda of the tenth generation. Two, I think the Luke genealogy is referring to Lamech's statement in Genesis chapter four of his sin being avenged 77 times (as there are 77 generations in Luke's genealogy). When God tells Cain he'd be avenged seven times, it was true, but not enough. I think this referred to how Enoch was the seventh generation and that he was taken by God.
I hope you continue this.
In your video you explain that there is NO overlap in the two genealogies, however you have the names Zerubbabel sitting right next to each other (Shealtiel is also listed in both). Why do you say there is no overlap? (Not that those 2 names being in both genealogies helps explain anything :). Thank you for the videos. They are very informative!
Hey Adrian, I guess you’re right. There is *some* overlap:
Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Joseph and Jesus
I should of said there is minimal overlap.
Thanks for the support and I’m so glad you find my videos informative!!
How is the genealogy from Adam historical? Can you trace it historically? So seems to be all theological
The geneologies of Matthew & Luke do not contradict or conflict. They are the genealogies of 2 people, Mary & Joseph. The genealogical list in Matthew, from David to Jacob-Heli (spanning about 1000 years), contains 27 generations at 40 years each, so as to comply with the 40-year royal generational standard. Luke, on the other hand, gives 40 generations at a more comprehensible 25 years each. Hence, Lujke places Jesus in the 20th generation from Zerubbabel, whereas Matthew places him in the 11th generation from Zerubbabel. SUMMARY: Matthew---27 generations of 40 years, from Solomon. Patriarchal---Zerubbabel's father's line. Luke---40 generations of 25 years from Nathan. Matrierchal---Zerubbabel's mother's line. Both Solomon & Nathan are sons of David. Both lines converge at Zerubbabel, then diverge. Zerubbabel had 2 sons, Abiud & Rhesa. Matthew goes from Abiud, Mary's line. Luke goes from Rhesa, Joseph's line. Mary & Joseph were also related. Joseph was Mary's great-aunt Gadat's son. Mary's mother was Hannah. Her father was Joachim, (Yonakhir) the Elias Patriarch. Joseph's mother was Gadat. His father was Heli, the Jacob Patriarch. His title was 'Jacob', so he would be called Jacob-Heli. Joachim's mother was Sabartia (Sabhrath). His father was Matthat, the Zadok. Heli's father was Matthan, descended from Mattathias (Tobias), the Temple governor. This should clear up the confusion.
Mathew's genealogy is via Mary's FATHER, whom is also called Joseph and is the Royal line too David...
Luke's genealogy is via Mary's Husband, whom, is also called Joseph, this is the Priestly line too David...
Have to disagree with you there. Check out all my videos on Jesus' genealogies, i think i make a good case that all of them are through Joseph
@@thestudyofchristianity You'll have to study older gospels that have been recently discovered where it says FATHER in Mathews Gospel... Look for Nehemiah Gordon on You tube... Hes done a whole series on it... Sorry dude...
Luke genealogy isas he said
SUPPOSED!
VS Matthew that wrote of Mary father Jacob line not Mary husband
As a believer and a scholar, my doctrine actually tells me to not only confront the contradictions, but also to honor them. Look at what is written: Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that you may long endure on the land that the LORD your God is assigning to you." How mystical is this verse. God is saying this out loud to the children of Israel/Jacob. But just who is Jacob? Did he honor his parents? Isaac (the father of Jacob) actually favored Esau over Jacob, but Rebekah (the mother of Jacob) favored Jacob over Esau. Isaac never changed his mind and Jacob did have to trick Isaac into giving him the blessing...Jacob chose to go with his mother's belief instead of his father's belief. I guess sometimes we too, must pick and choose.
Is the line of Abraham to Jesus through both David's son Solomon down to Zerubbabel on his father side and David's son Nathan down to Zerubbabel on his mother's side and did Zerubbabel have on line of descendants down to Joseph through Abiud and one line of descendants down to Mary through Rhesa that is one possibility that I would make sense and one you might consider looking into and get the results on
How is Jesus genealogy even relevant if his is truthly god who has no begning or end?
He was born throw a women of Juda
Eusebius was right. Luke, with "as was supposed" is saying that "this is the genealogy that was attributed to Jesus", at the time of writing. Think about it, who, at the time of Jesus, would have known his genealogy? People said "look, he is Jesus, the son of Joseph, from the tribe of Judah" but people didn't say "look the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat..."
Let's see the versicle.
Luke 3:23,38 (Douay Rheims 1899)
"And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of thirty years; being (as it was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat,
...
Who was of Henos, who was of Seth, who was of Adam, who was of God.
"
If Luke would have said "he was supposed the son of Joseph" in another context, we could think that he is implying Jesus is not the son of Joseph. But in this case, it doesn't make sense.
Another reason being that, why bother giving a genealogy that don't correspond to him if he is not the real son of Joseph? Jews cannot receive the genealogy of an adopted father.
Jesus was the real son of Joseph. The conception was miraculous, without sex, but the seed was from Joseph.
But they didn’t have sex how was it his seed
@@megamillion2461 Is a miracolous conception (to show that he is special, he is the Messiah) but with the seed of Joseph. God doesn't have seed, He is a spirit. He can do anything, he can take the seed from him and teleport it right inside the uterus of Miriam (Mary). There are other examples in the bible.
Look *Gen 21:1* "And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken."
and *1 Samuel **2:21* "And the Lord visited Hannah, so that she conceived, and bare three sons and two daughters. And the child Samuel grew before the Lord."
These two examples point out to two miracolous conception but nobody doubted that the husbands were the fathers. Look for example that Abraham and Sarah were old, I don't think they had too much sex.
@@earuendil does the Bible say that Mary and Joseph did that the seed was transported. Because I always thought Jesus was the actual son of God like his literal son don’t you?
@@megamillion2461 According to the new testament, Yeshua was just a man, a very important one (the Messiah), born of a man and a woman. The son of God thing is just a title.
@@megamillion2461 Jesus could not be the son of Joseph because he would then have the sin nature / mortal nature from Adam and bound to the grave.
My take: Both genealogies are correct. One emphasize in a biological aspect, (Luke), while the other in a hierarchy aspect, (Matthew). It could be in my opinion, the same lineage, but because the emphasis are different, it affect the mention of people, therefore reflecting such distinctions.
Then again, my take. May God keep you blessed.
bible researchers...
pls listen update research:
after captivitie zerubabel and group came to south india.the royal descenders of nathan tribe lived in kerala,kanyakumari,tirunelveli. very important leaders as zerubabel,ezra,jeremia returned to judea and rebuild the temple of jerusalem. the zerubsbel only returned to tirunelveli. God kept the royal king heirs secreatly in south india.
zorobabel of mathew and zorobabel of luke are diffirent persons. they are not belongs to orijinal royal line.the original seed is in zerubabel(pls check the spelling ZORO and ZERU)
he belongs to tamilnadu. the real hero CHRIST is TAMILIAN !
pls come to tambarabarani river and start your research ! tq !
praise the Lord !
I thought contradictions weren’t a big deal for the faith. Non fundamentalist Christians readily accept that there are errors in the bible