The jeconiah in matthew is one of the sons of josiah. Not grandson. Josiah’s sons (1 chronicles 3:15) hebrew names before the time they carried to babylon 1. Johanan 2. Eliakim 3. Mattaniah 4. Shallum After they carried to babylon their names change 1. Jeconiah (matthew geneology) 2. Jehoiakim (2 kings 23:34) 3. Zedekiah (2 kings 24:17) 4. Jehoahaz (cross reference from 2 kings 23:30 and jeremiah 22:11)
You think in antiquity that they knew who their distance ancestors were? We in this age have problems keeping up with our ancestors. And we can record things, in antiquity they were very limited.
When I said this to a Jehovah witnesses, he said "Haggai 2:23 says " will make thee AS a signet", as in LIKE a signet. The Most High does not change, so when he says that Jechonias and his seed will never sit on the throne, he means it, he certainly wouldn't change his mind 2 generations later, that is why Zerubabbel is only ever mentioned as a Prince or a Governor, NOT a King... Since Haggai was with Zerubabbel in Babylon (Ezra 5:1,2) it seems to me that the Most High made him LIKE a signet when he anointed him to lead his people back to Jerusalem. The curse still stands to this day, because the word of the Most High stands as LAW forever. If your contention is that the Most High lifted the curse from Zerubabbel, then please show me in the so-called Old Testament where it says that Zerubabbel's or any of his descendants sat on the throne as King." I don't know to respond to this, but if you can help me. that be great
God also said he’d destroy Nineveh then relented, he also said he would wipe Israel out and make a great nation out of Moses then relented. God is unchanging but he is receptive to when he interacts with people, he’s alive not a robot. I’d be weary of the Jehovah witness sect. Wolves in sheeps clothing
Daughters of Zelophehad solves all this Back in Numbers, if a father had all daughters, he could "adopt" the daughter's husband to inherit So the Virgin Mary's father is stated as Heli, couldve adopted Joseph because it's only stated that Mary has a sister and no mention of a brother (John 19:25) and then would've had the Royal Lineage from Joseph but the Blood Lineage from Mary at the same time Chuck Missler goes into this in his "Book of Daniel" series in the first video
Zerrubabel never sat on the throne of David or ruled in Judah. The curse wasn’t overturned. You’re interpolating that into the text. There is no mention of a reversal.
yeah thats what im trying to figure out because his descendants didnt sit on the throne and in Matthew, it goes from him to Joseph (Mary's Husband) and there were no Kings then so the scripture is true Jesus is still from the bloodline of Mary but of Joseph could've been "adopted" into Mary's family since it says Mary only has a sister and back in the book of Numbers, under Mosaic law if a father only has daughters he can adopt his daughter's husband in order to inherit ( Daughters of Zelphahad )
The argument you condemned was better than the argument you promoted. However, there's an even better explanation of the Jeconiah problem. It is that the Jeconiah in Jesus' ancestry is not the same Jeconiah who was cursed. There is a very good RUclips video explaining this.
@@happyngulube1871 - See this one. ruclips.net/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/видео.html The guy who made the video at the link makes some exceptionally good videos. And he also makes some which are just plain silly. This one - the one I gave the link to - is one which is exceptionally good.
The best explanation I heard was that Joseph’s line gives Him the right through the lineage of kings, but Mary line in Luke is what matters , which only works through the virgin birth. Mary lineage goes thru Nathan not Solomon, and descends from Judah as well. This give him his descendency.
I disagree, Basheba also had a Son called Nathan named after Prophet Nathan, Nathan is the grandfather to Virgin Mary. So the Virgin conceptions averts the curse of Jeconiah. And still retaining the bloodline of King David with the immaculate conception
I really don't understand your strong aversion to St. Irenaeus' theory, it makes perfect sense and is rather poetic that the curse of Jeconiah is used to prove that Christ is not the flesh son of Joseph, but rather the Son of God. I'll take the side of the Fathers on this one.
Will the *seed* of *David* be the future *_Governor/Prince_* of Yisrael or Yeshua HaMashiach? What does the Scriptures say. Hosea 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek YHWH, and *David* their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the *latter days.* Jeremiah 30:9 But they shall serve YHWH, and *David* their king, whom I will raise up unto them. _(Please read all of chapter 30 for better context)_ Ezekiel 34:23-24 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, *even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I YHWH have spoken it* .Ezekiel 37:24-25 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant *David* shall be their *prince for ever.* Psalm 89:34-35 *My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David"* Psalm 119:89 *For ever, YHWH, thy word is settled in heaven.* Numbers 23:19 *Elohim is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:* _hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?_ Seed in Hebrew means *Zera-(Offspring, physical descendant)* Question How can Yeshua come from David Lineage when he never came from seed of a man? Is it logical?
Well, the way i explain the "lift" of the curse is that, Zerubabbel son of Shealtiel is different that Zerubabbel son of Pedaiah, the brother of Shealtiel. And Jesus comes from the former, not the latter, so the curse doesn't touch him.
It only rules out Jesus from reigning in Judah which also includes Jerusalem too! Some people believe Christ will sit on His Throne in Jerusalem and rule there for a literal 1,000 years! Jesus said, "Heaven is my Throne, the Earth is my footstool!" Why would Christ reign on His "Footstool" a thousand years? Well, He obviously wouldn't!
There is more than one Yahoshua ,John Jacob and why would luke hide Jeconiah because of the curse if it was reversed? Kid, you be reaching on this one your guessing that's what Luke did prove that this is the same Zerubbabel and Shateal of Jeremiah 22? RUclips scholars need to quit
Jesus did NOT have an earthly Father, why bother with the lineage of Joseph? Apparently Mary had a son with the Holy Spirit, who according to the "sacred Holy" Trinity doctrine is NOT God The Father, since they are 3 different "person", but Jesus did NOT call the Holy Spirit his Father, but instead he called God The Father HIS Father. All this CONFUSION just proves the scriptures: Isaiah 45:16 "ALL OF THEM ARE PUT TO SHAME AND CONFOUNDED; THE MAKERS OF IDOLS GO IN CONFUSION TOGETHER". God knew and He confused the Christians from the very beginning of their "holy book", but in Isaiah 45:17 God said: "...But Yisrael is saved by the LORD with everlasting salvation; you shall NOT be put to shame or confounded for ETERNITY".
Coniah "will not enjoy success during his LIFETIME" not FOREVER! Also, none of his offspring will rule IN JUDAH. (verse 30) If we think about context, it seems to me that these words mean that none of descendants of Coniah will again enjoy the earthly luxuries as a king of Judah! But, since Daniel prophesied about heavenly ruler and Isaiah about the one who "had no stately form or majesty that might catch our attention, no special appearance that we should want to follow him", everything fits. In a sense, Coniah did enjoy success AFTER his lifetime, and Jesus renounce earthly luxuries and become ruler in heaven!
Irenaeus likely noted the law in numbers for which if a Man has nothing but daughters his tribal lineage of inheritance would have to go to them as long as they marry into their own tribe which Mary did. Both Mary and Joseph were from the tribe of Judah but obviously through different men of Judah. So, in short the curse does legally bypass the Messiah since his mother married back into her tribal affiliate, her tribal inheritance would have been passed to her. The simple fact that he doesn’t come from Coniah does in fact tell us that he would be void of the curse. This is why genesis 3:15 is key that’s it’s the woman’s seed(implying virgin birth)
There was no reversal of the curse. He fails to see or understand that there are 2 sets of people, each having the same names. There is one line that has their Zerubbabel in the cursed line and the other Zerubbabel is not in the cursed line. That is the Zerubbabel the Lord chose. The non cursed one. The signet ring is removed from one Zerubbabel and given to the the other. See the video from NathanH83 which I linked below. ruclips.net/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/видео.html And then if you are still confused about the ending of "The Study of Christianity's" video, see NathanH83's other video about the 2 genealogies also linked below. ruclips.net/video/U3bsAMyRwbw/видео.html
I don't see any curse of Jehoiachin/Jeconiah - only one of prophecy and one that he had free will to change but did not by abrogating the Mosaic war principle of Deuteronomy 20:10-12 in closing up the city of Jerusalem in late 598 BC causing Nebuchadnezzar II to lay siege for 3 months until Jehoiachin/Jeconiah surrendered. The "childless"/curse claim is a rabbinic fable. Excerpt: "“Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man CHILDLESS H6185, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.” Jeremiah 22:30 KJV MT Here in Jeremiah 22:30 H6185 ariri as “childless” is a rabbinic emendation designed to break the genealogy of Jesus as Christ/Messiah through Jehoiachin/Jeconiah. The LXX has G1574 ἐκκήρυκτον - “an outcast” or “banished by public proclamation” by Nebuchadnezzar II which is Jehoiachin’s exile to Babylon in early 597 BC. Brenton correctly translates this as: “Write ye this man an OUTCAST G1574: for there shall none of his seed at all grow up to sit on the throne of David, or as a prince yet in Juda.” Jeremiah 22:30 LXX B Brenton For Jeremiah 22:30 and regardless of the right of throne MT H6185 is not even correct because historically Jehoiachin later had sons in exile. And as Jeremiah 22:30b correctly points out his descendants did not occupy the throne as a king of Judah at any time even after 536 BC when Cyrus II emancipated all the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles." See article entitled The Determination of the Correct Year of Daniel 1:1 on Academia.
Don't count on him doing a video on that issue. He got a lot wrong in this video. Watch NathanH83's video which I will link here and you will see the truth of the matter : ruclips.net/video/U3bsAMyRwbw/видео.html Nathan also has a video on the curse of Jeconiah which you should check out.
Don't know why you try to compare Luke's genealogical list with Matthew because they are from different sons of David. Matthew is Solomon's line and Luke's is Nathan's line. So what if both have a Shealtiel and Zerubbabel together like that. You are comparing apples to oranges here.
The curse reversed? Another view: God cursed Jojakin and also His father Jojakim, Jer. 36:30. No descendant of them will sit on the throne. And there indeed has never been a descendant of them that was on the throne of David in Jerusalem. 'Write him childless' says Jeremiah about Jojakin. And Matthew just did that: He wrote Joseph childless (as far as the throne was concerned). Matthew gives a spiritual message, not litteral videocamera-history. Also Jesus did not sit on that throne. He was rejected and crucified and killed. He was cursed. The Messiah of Israel, the heir of the throne could not sit on it. This means the end of everything, of history it self. It is because of Gods Spirit and power of ressurection that Jesus, the Righteous One, was raised from the dead, and with Him a restoration of all things. He now sits at the right hand of God, the true throne of David.
Because he was conceived in sin as the psalms clearly state. And hebrews states that his geneology is unknown and he is of a king in the order of melchzadok. The seed of the woman means the promise went to the gentile woman not a miracle birth as the catholics teach. The 2nd son theme thruout scripture, is the begotten son the one who receives the promise. Type: Ishmael and Issac.
With out John MacArthur's true exegesis it would be as if no Israelite ever managed to get the blood from the basin to the door posts. Nevertheless, your enthusiastic personal reception of the stated falsehood comes across clearly. A+ for spunk.
There is another explanation. Jeconiah married the wife of dead Neri, the real father of Shealtiel. See Luke 3 genealogy. The father of Shealtiel here is not Jeconiah but Neri, a descendant of Nathan, brother of Solomon. Then another branching out happened through the sons of Zerubbabel, Abiud and Rhesa (see again Luke 3). Abiud and Rhesa are the ancestors of Jacob and Heli, the fathers of Joseph, husband of Mary (see again Luke 3). Perhaps, the father or Joseph, Heli, died, and Jacob married his wife and adopted Joseph as his son.
I watched your entire video and the other one where you tried to explain why Jehoiachin was left out of Jesus' geneology in Matthew. Is this what you call an explanation to why Matthew left off Jehoiachin ? This is called scripture twisting ? You and Robert Gundry are squeezing blood from a rock. In Jeremiah God explicitly curses his seed to sit on the throne of David. In Haggai there is no mention at all of God explicitly reversing the curse. This 'ring thing' you and others bring up is an attempt to push Matthew's mistake under the rug. This might work for your fellow Christians but not for me; I'm neither a Jew or a Christian.
@@thestudyofchristianity the Bible is only stories written by scribes, the variables are so many, it hard to tell what was first written. The main writers were writing these stories and scribes copied them, one word could change the whole meaning. The errors, contradictions, bad translation, no telling how much off is the scriptures from the first. The church wanted their views, and probably created the Vulgate because of this.
The jeconiah in matthew is one of the sons of josiah. Not grandson.
Josiah’s sons (1 chronicles 3:15)
hebrew names before the time they carried to babylon
1. Johanan
2. Eliakim
3. Mattaniah
4. Shallum
After they carried to babylon their names change
1. Jeconiah (matthew geneology)
2. Jehoiakim (2 kings 23:34)
3. Zedekiah (2 kings 24:17)
4. Jehoahaz (cross reference from 2 kings 23:30 and jeremiah 22:11)
ruclips.net/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/видео.html
You think in antiquity that they knew who their distance ancestors were? We in this age have problems keeping up with our ancestors. And we can record things, in antiquity they were very limited.
There are 2 Jeconiahs.
When I said this to a Jehovah witnesses, he said "Haggai 2:23 says " will make thee AS a signet", as in LIKE a signet. The Most High does not change, so when he says that Jechonias and his seed will never sit on the throne, he means it, he certainly wouldn't change his mind 2 generations later, that is why Zerubabbel is only ever mentioned as a Prince or a Governor, NOT a King... Since Haggai was with Zerubabbel in Babylon (Ezra 5:1,2) it seems to me that the Most High made him LIKE a signet when he anointed him to lead his people back to Jerusalem. The curse still stands to this day, because the word of the Most High stands as LAW forever.
If your contention is that the Most High lifted the curse from Zerubabbel, then please show me in the so-called Old Testament where it says that Zerubabbel's or any of his descendants sat on the throne as King."
I don't know to respond to this, but if you can help me. that be great
ruclips.net/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/видео.html
God also said he’d destroy Nineveh then relented, he also said he would wipe Israel out and make a great nation out of Moses then relented. God is unchanging but he is receptive to when he interacts with people, he’s alive not a robot. I’d be weary of the Jehovah witness sect. Wolves in sheeps clothing
Daughters of Zelophehad solves all this
Back in Numbers, if a father had all daughters, he could "adopt" the daughter's husband to inherit
So the Virgin Mary's father is stated as Heli, couldve adopted Joseph because it's only stated that Mary has a sister and no mention of a brother (John 19:25) and then would've had the Royal Lineage from Joseph but the Blood Lineage from Mary at the same time
Chuck Missler goes into this in his "Book of Daniel" series in the first video
Thank you for sharing
Zerrubabel never sat on the throne of David or ruled in Judah. The curse wasn’t overturned. You’re interpolating that into the text. There is no mention of a reversal.
yeah thats what im trying to figure out because his descendants didnt sit on the throne and in Matthew, it goes from him to Joseph (Mary's Husband) and there were no Kings then so the scripture is true
Jesus is still from the bloodline of Mary but of Joseph could've been "adopted" into Mary's family since it says Mary only has a sister and back in the book of Numbers, under Mosaic law if a father only has daughters he can adopt his daughter's husband in order to inherit ( Daughters of Zelphahad )
rabbinical literature in the Talmud and Midrash. Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Baba Bathra 4b-5a.
The argument you condemned was better than the argument you promoted. However, there's an even better explanation of the Jeconiah problem. It is that the Jeconiah in Jesus' ancestry is not the same Jeconiah who was cursed. There is a very good RUclips video explaining this.
Do you have the link to this video?
@@happyngulube1871 - See this one. ruclips.net/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/видео.html
The guy who made the video at the link makes some exceptionally good videos. And he also makes some which are just plain silly. This one - the one I gave the link to - is one which is exceptionally good.
The best explanation I heard was that
Joseph’s line gives Him the right through the lineage of kings, but Mary line in Luke is what matters , which only works through the virgin birth.
Mary lineage goes thru Nathan not Solomon, and descends from Judah as well. This give him his descendency.
It simply says that none of his descendants will not set on an Earthly Throne
Truly the scriptures explain itself. What can I say but HalleluYah!Thank you brother for such diligent study.
I disagree, Basheba also had a Son called Nathan named after Prophet Nathan, Nathan is the grandfather to Virgin Mary. So the Virgin conceptions averts the curse of Jeconiah. And still retaining the bloodline of King David with the immaculate conception
I really don't understand your strong aversion to St. Irenaeus' theory, it makes perfect sense and is rather poetic that the curse of Jeconiah is used to prove that Christ is not the flesh son of Joseph, but rather the Son of God. I'll take the side of the Fathers on this one.
Will the *seed* of *David* be the future *_Governor/Prince_* of Yisrael or Yeshua HaMashiach? What does the Scriptures say.
Hosea 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek YHWH, and *David* their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the *latter days.*
Jeremiah 30:9 But they shall serve YHWH, and *David* their king, whom I will raise up unto them. _(Please read all of chapter 30 for better context)_
Ezekiel 34:23-24 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, *even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I YHWH have spoken it*
.Ezekiel 37:24-25 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant *David* shall be their *prince for ever.*
Psalm 89:34-35 *My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David"*
Psalm 119:89 *For ever, YHWH, thy word is settled in heaven.*
Numbers 23:19 *Elohim is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:* _hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?_
Seed in Hebrew means *Zera-(Offspring, physical descendant)* Question How can Yeshua come from David Lineage when he never came from seed of a man? Is it logical?
Well, the way i explain the "lift" of the curse is that, Zerubabbel son of Shealtiel is different that Zerubabbel son of Pedaiah, the brother of Shealtiel.
And Jesus comes from the former, not the latter, so the curse doesn't touch him.
It only rules out Jesus from reigning in Judah which also
includes Jerusalem too! Some
people believe Christ will sit on
His Throne in Jerusalem and rule
there for a literal 1,000 years! Jesus said, "Heaven is my Throne, the Earth is my footstool!"
Why would Christ reign on His
"Footstool" a thousand years?
Well, He obviously wouldn't!
There is more than one Yahoshua ,John Jacob and why would luke hide Jeconiah because of the curse if it was reversed? Kid, you be reaching on this one your guessing that's what Luke did prove that this is the same Zerubbabel and Shateal of Jeremiah 22? RUclips scholars need to quit
I really appreciate the effort you put into these very informative videos. You have definitely done your homework.
If Christ is real so christians don't have to lie so much.
Jesus did NOT have an earthly Father, why bother with the lineage of Joseph?
Apparently Mary had a son with the Holy Spirit, who according to the "sacred Holy" Trinity doctrine is NOT God The Father, since they are 3 different "person", but Jesus did NOT call the Holy Spirit his Father, but instead he called God The Father HIS Father.
All this CONFUSION just proves the scriptures:
Isaiah 45:16 "ALL OF THEM ARE PUT TO SHAME AND CONFOUNDED; THE MAKERS OF IDOLS GO IN CONFUSION TOGETHER".
God knew and He confused the Christians from the very beginning of their "holy book", but in Isaiah 45:17 God said:
"...But Yisrael is saved by the LORD with everlasting salvation; you shall NOT be put to shame or confounded for ETERNITY".
Coniah "will not enjoy success during his LIFETIME" not FOREVER! Also, none of his offspring will rule IN JUDAH. (verse 30) If we think about context, it seems to me that these words mean that none of descendants of Coniah will again enjoy the earthly luxuries as a king of Judah! But, since Daniel prophesied about heavenly ruler and Isaiah about the one who "had no stately form or majesty that might catch our attention, no special appearance that we should want to follow him", everything fits. In a sense, Coniah did enjoy success AFTER his lifetime, and Jesus renounce earthly luxuries and become ruler in heaven!
Irenaeus likely noted the law in numbers for which if a Man has nothing but daughters his tribal lineage of inheritance would have to go to them as long as they marry into their own tribe which Mary did. Both Mary and Joseph were from the tribe of Judah but obviously through different men of Judah. So, in short the curse does legally bypass the Messiah since his mother married back into her tribal affiliate, her tribal inheritance would have been passed to her. The simple fact that he doesn’t come from Coniah does in fact tell us that he would be void of the curse. This is why genesis 3:15 is key that’s it’s the woman’s seed(implying virgin birth)
If the curse was reversed in Haggai 2:23, then why was Zerubbabel only a governor and not King? Why were there no Kings from Zerubbabel’s offspring ?
maybe it was all about the "Scepter of Judah"?
And it says
.. LIKE A .. referring to the closeness.
It wasn't to install a new heritage line- great response!
There was no reversal of the curse. He fails to see or understand that there are 2 sets of people, each having the same names. There is one line that has their Zerubbabel in the cursed line and the other Zerubbabel is not in the cursed line. That is the Zerubbabel the Lord chose. The non cursed one. The signet ring is removed from one Zerubbabel and given to the the other. See the video from NathanH83 which I linked below.
ruclips.net/video/p4v1UEZb3Z0/видео.html
And then if you are still confused about the ending of "The Study of Christianity's" video, see NathanH83's other video about the 2 genealogies also linked below.
ruclips.net/video/U3bsAMyRwbw/видео.html
Zerubabel still ruled tho,
@@jenex5608He only ruled as governor; not a king.
The ruling line (not sure what to call it) ended with Jeconiah and transferred to Jeconiah’s uncle.
I don't see any curse of Jehoiachin/Jeconiah - only one of prophecy and one that he had free will to change but did not by abrogating the Mosaic war principle of Deuteronomy 20:10-12 in closing up the city of Jerusalem in late 598 BC causing Nebuchadnezzar II to lay siege for 3 months until Jehoiachin/Jeconiah surrendered. The "childless"/curse claim is a rabbinic fable.
Excerpt:
"“Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man CHILDLESS H6185, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.” Jeremiah 22:30 KJV MT
Here in Jeremiah 22:30 H6185 ariri as “childless” is a rabbinic emendation designed to break the genealogy of Jesus as Christ/Messiah through Jehoiachin/Jeconiah. The LXX has G1574 ἐκκήρυκτον - “an outcast” or “banished by public proclamation” by Nebuchadnezzar II which is Jehoiachin’s exile to Babylon in early 597 BC. Brenton correctly translates this as:
“Write ye this man an OUTCAST G1574: for there shall none of his seed at all grow up to sit on the throne of David, or as a prince yet in Juda.” Jeremiah 22:30 LXX B Brenton
For Jeremiah 22:30 and regardless of the right of throne MT H6185 is not even correct because historically Jehoiachin later had sons in exile. And as Jeremiah 22:30b correctly points out his descendants did not occupy the throne as a king of Judah at any time even after 536 BC when Cyrus II emancipated all the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles."
See article entitled The Determination of the Correct Year of Daniel 1:1 on Academia.
Christianity always giving me headaches, it’s very confusing !
There's a preacher on RUclips called Gino Jennings- check out one of his messages and you'll understand the bible more in the right way.
Joseph’s gen is there to prove to you Mary married into her fathers tribe of Judah. Nothing else.
They are not the same Jeconiahs
Thanks my bro. Where is the video about the issue with Luke and Neri?
Don't count on him doing a video on that issue. He got a lot wrong in this video. Watch NathanH83's video which I will link here and you will see the truth of the matter : ruclips.net/video/U3bsAMyRwbw/видео.html
Nathan also has a video on the curse of Jeconiah which you should check out.
Don't know why you try to compare Luke's genealogical list with Matthew because they are from different sons of David. Matthew is Solomon's line and Luke's is Nathan's line. So what if both have a Shealtiel and Zerubbabel together like that. You are comparing apples to oranges here.
Hi there,
You are correct about Solomon and Nathan.
But they still should be compared because they are both genealogies through Joseph.
The curse reversed? Another view:
God cursed Jojakin and also His father Jojakim, Jer. 36:30. No descendant of them will sit on the throne. And there indeed has never been a descendant of them that was on the throne of David in Jerusalem. 'Write him childless' says Jeremiah about Jojakin. And Matthew just did that: He wrote Joseph childless (as far as the throne was concerned). Matthew gives a spiritual message, not litteral videocamera-history. Also Jesus did not sit on that throne. He was rejected and crucified and killed. He was cursed. The Messiah of Israel, the heir of the throne could not sit on it. This means the end of everything, of history it self.
It is because of Gods Spirit and power of ressurection that Jesus, the Righteous One, was raised from the dead, and with Him a restoration of all things. He now sits at the right hand of God, the true throne of David.
Very good video, thank you!
Because he was conceived in sin as the psalms clearly state. And hebrews states that his geneology is unknown and he is of a king in the order of melchzadok. The seed of the woman means the promise went to the gentile woman not a miracle birth as the catholics teach. The 2nd son theme thruout scripture, is the begotten son the one who receives the promise. Type: Ishmael and Issac.
With out John MacArthur's true exegesis it would be as if no Israelite ever managed to get the blood from the basin to the door posts. Nevertheless, your enthusiastic personal reception of the stated falsehood comes across clearly. A+ for spunk.
Plus there are two jeconiahs!!!!!!!!
There is another explanation. Jeconiah married the wife of dead Neri, the real father of Shealtiel.
See Luke 3 genealogy. The father of Shealtiel here is not Jeconiah but Neri, a descendant of Nathan, brother of Solomon.
Then another branching out happened through the sons of Zerubbabel, Abiud and Rhesa (see again Luke 3). Abiud and Rhesa are the ancestors of Jacob and Heli, the fathers of Joseph, husband of Mary (see again Luke 3).
Perhaps, the father or Joseph, Heli, died, and Jacob married his wife and adopted Joseph as his son.
The reason “Jechoniah” name got changed to “Coniah”is be cause the Lord was mad at him and took “Je” = Lord , out of his name
Wow… this is some deep i$h.
This is eye opening, Jesus was not a messiah, Matthew is so screw up
Oooff big claims
Forever means forever.
Wrong. Two zerubbabels.
I watched your entire video and the other one where you tried to explain why Jehoiachin was left out of Jesus' geneology in Matthew. Is this what you call an explanation to why Matthew left off Jehoiachin ? This is called scripture twisting ? You and Robert Gundry are squeezing blood from a rock. In Jeremiah God explicitly curses his seed to sit on the throne of David. In Haggai there is no mention at all of God explicitly reversing the curse. This 'ring thing' you and others bring up is an attempt to push Matthew's mistake under the rug. This might work for your fellow Christians but not for me; I'm neither a Jew or a Christian.
This only proves that Jesus isn’t a messiah
That seems like quite a big deal
@@thestudyofchristianity the Bible is only stories written by scribes, the variables are so many, it hard to tell what was first written. The main writers were writing these stories and scribes copied them, one word could change the whole meaning. The errors, contradictions, bad translation, no telling how much off is the scriptures from the first. The church wanted their views, and probably created the Vulgate because of this.
@@thestudyofchristianity the Bible was written for the church and used it to create a myth