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  • Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
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    Today we take a look at Vegeta, the rival of Goku from Dragonball Z! Obviously he goes from Evil to Good but which good and where? ^^
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Комментарии • 548

  • @TheLoadingCrew
    @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад +190

    big thank you to Masako X for letting us use his art in our dnd documents!

    • @generaljimmies3429
      @generaljimmies3429 3 года назад +6

      6:11 The text says him but the voice says her?
      Thought we wouldn't catch that Team Four Star reference?

    • @juliushaahrkringelbach6744
      @juliushaahrkringelbach6744 3 года назад +1

      Love masakox

    • @Lobomaru02
      @Lobomaru02 3 года назад +1

      I can't get the Teespring version to let me check out the bundle. What gives?

    • @SilverDungeoneer
      @SilverDungeoneer 3 года назад +1

      *Hypersonic Lion Tamer not Chamber

    • @TheHDNGamer
      @TheHDNGamer 3 года назад

      Oml ngl I love that you use TFS references, it's the best

  • @ukkothedwarf1259
    @ukkothedwarf1259 3 года назад +157

    When vegeta named the 2 wishes in the kid buu fight he never expected to be resurrected himself as he was evil at the time of the tournament, making the deed truly selfless

  • @minedantaken1684
    @minedantaken1684 3 года назад +524

    A video on frieza would just be "chaotic evil", "lawful evil" and "neutral evil" repeated for 10 minutes. Edit: also a lot of nat 20 scenes

    • @Kornzz555666
      @Kornzz555666 3 года назад +16

      Some neutral as well sprinkled in

    • @ryanjones_rheios
      @ryanjones_rheios 3 года назад +38

      No, Frieza's purely Chaotic Evil. He believes might makes right, has no regard for life, and is in no way dedicated to his "empire" or his title as "emperor" ouside his own arrogance. Incidentally that describes almost any Demon Lord. That's not to say he can't act out of that alignment, nobody's unmaleable, just that he's pretty consistent in spitting at anyone else's claim to authority unless they can kill him. (And even then he plotted to backstab Beerus or double backstab other foes. He changes sides as is convenient)

    • @ryanjones_rheios
      @ryanjones_rheios 3 года назад +7

      @@TheUltimateMachineGod True. If anything each arc has been more characterizing. His decisions to train and even his work while in hell are very characterizing for him. And we know a weird amount about his family.

    • @cloudychaos475
      @cloudychaos475 3 года назад +6

      1 or 2 good actions in the T.O.P as well but at most they'd put him at chaotic neutral, he's still an evil bastard and I love him (no homo)

    • @ryanjones_rheios
      @ryanjones_rheios 3 года назад +7

      @@cloudychaos475 Eh, those "good" actions were almost entirely products of selfishness. The Great Sphere D&D cosmology (the only default assumption one can fairly make when doing these things) may not care a lot about intent but it does factor in. For evil more than for good, usually, it seems. (Which incidentally is why there are more evil people than good and probably more neutral people than either.)

  • @Chaosdaniel
    @Chaosdaniel 3 года назад +229

    At any point Vegeta said -"Because IM FUCKING EVIL", but then evolve to be -"Pure, unadultered Badass", and finally -"I AM THE HYPE"

  • @lietz13
    @lietz13 3 года назад +66

    "You left Vegeta with Apool?! Apool couldn't handle a shot a raspberry schnapps, much less Vegeta!"

    • @JSHADOWM
      @JSHADOWM 3 года назад +1

      Appaule, it decomverts into Apple. all of freeza's henchmen are fruits if we discount the saiyans and ginyu force.
      Zarbon? Pomelo (in japanese)
      Dodoria? Durian.
      Cui? Kiwi.
      this is the reason why i call the Tree of Might Saiyan Tullece instead of Turles. its supposed to be Lettuce.

  • @borisbutterscotch9482
    @borisbutterscotch9482 3 года назад +142

    14:00 "Final Attack - 685 (yes really)" Is probably the single best portrayal of just how ridiculously overkill the final flash is.

  • @ryuudraco592
    @ryuudraco592 3 года назад +153

    "this video is sponsored by me" that's cute

  • @madengineerkyouma
    @madengineerkyouma 3 года назад +79

    The Knight at the center of the chart fits so well. Literally there couldn't be a more neutral character, he has no mind to think, no will to break.

    • @goldenpaladin
      @goldenpaladin 2 года назад +3

      whis he will literally train you if you eather have potential in becoming a destroyer or give him something good

  • @MrRemicas
    @MrRemicas 3 года назад +235

    "He attacks Dodoria and stabs *her* in the back"
    Wait, is that the Abridged version?

    • @TheLoadingCrew
      @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад +76

      :)

    • @Arkalidor
      @Arkalidor 3 года назад +46

      The abridged version contains A LOT of not-obvious canonical nuggets.

    • @TheAustralianMapper5378
      @TheAustralianMapper5378 3 года назад +25

      She was the most gorgeous women on her planet, until Freeza blew it up.

    • @yoyoman195
      @yoyoman195 3 года назад +11

      Now all u can think of is the "I have a thicc, meaty..." line

    • @GusOmega
      @GusOmega 3 года назад +10

      In the Hungarian dub, Dodoria is a woman, albeit with a very deep voice.
      In the Portuguese dub, Dodoria sings opera.
      In the Greek dub, Dodoria is a woman.

  • @leaf1469
    @leaf1469 3 года назад +24

    That Dedoria joke was subtle, but I like it. TFS is hilarious and we will quote whatever they say.

  • @KyleAlexJohn
    @KyleAlexJohn 3 года назад +32

    See, I feel like Vegeta asks an interesting question about alignment; do chaotic actions based off of a consistent moral code count as lawful or chaotic?
    Vegeta does go back and forth a bit, however his character and actions always center around his pride, if that wasn't obvious. He keeps his word because of pride, he takes revenge because of pride, he teams up with and kills people only dependent on how it affects his motives. Arguably, nothing Vegeta does is really random, it's intentionally performed to better his chances down the road...so idk. I think Vegeta is pretty much Lawful Evil up until the Cell/Buu saga, where he slowly becomes more Lawful Neutral.

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami 3 года назад +2

      The one thing to remember about Chaos vs Order which most people have turned into Chaotic vs Lawful is really Change Vs Stagnation. Pure Order aka a Pure Lawful nature is unchanging unbending, it doesn't allow for growth. A system we generally see as an Orderly/Lawful state is the day night cycle. This though is correct in the cycle doesn't change but there is that hidden element of Chaos/change that allows day to become night and vise versa. There are examples going the other way where seemingly random/chaotic events will always result in the same way because of that orderly/lawful element hidden in the end result that isn't supposed to change. Just look at Main Characters for Shonen Anime/Manga the events and overall story are different for each character but the end result is they are the strongest being of their story and overwhelmingly loved by the world they are in.
      In short you shouldn't look at the end result as much as if the Chaotic aspect is the hidden or main aspect of the action.

    • @Sir-Reborn
      @Sir-Reborn 8 месяцев назад

      I think fundementally changing his moral code, or changing his opinions fundementally is a "chaotic" catagory. Part of what chaotic symbolizes is "unexpected, wild, selfish, change "
      So given that he started in chaotic neutral, I think this is perfectly fine

  • @ANimouz
    @ANimouz 3 года назад +13

    Nice vid. Although a small mistake on 17:00. Vegeta HAD the ability to become SSJ2. But even that wasn't enough to compete with the level of Gokus SSJ2. That was verified by guides and also the fact that Vegeta was 100% confident he could defeat Dabura when SSJ2 Gohan couldn't.
    Also going by story, Vegeta didn't accept Babidis amp/mind control fully. It was mostly an excuse to go wild and disregard everything so he could have 1 final good match with Goku. The whole thing was a mid-life crisis from our guy Vegeta.

  • @geminimaxxim
    @geminimaxxim 3 года назад +10

    Shoutouts to Vegeta for making a full 180 degree swing on the alignment wheel and being a pure badass the whole way

  • @bigboynow7936
    @bigboynow7936 3 года назад +23

    He refered to Dodoria as her

    • @brandonhall7498
      @brandonhall7498 3 года назад +2

      DBZ abridged reference?

    • @LucarioDoT
      @LucarioDoT 3 года назад +1

      @@brandonhall7498 I believe I read that Dodoria was referred to as female in one of the dubs.
      Edit: Greek dub

    • @LeviathanTamer31
      @LeviathanTamer31 3 года назад +2

      There were so many DBZA references. That was definitely one of them.

    • @bigboynow7936
      @bigboynow7936 3 года назад

      @@LucarioDoT did not know that good fact pal

  • @Alpha121198
    @Alpha121198 3 года назад +75

    As an amazing girl once told the audience, Pocket Sand is a legitimate strategy.

    • @aienma6660
      @aienma6660 3 года назад

      Same for a Pocket Snack

    • @dubuyajay9964
      @dubuyajay9964 3 года назад

      Who?

    • @deonjoyner960
      @deonjoyner960 3 года назад

      Who?

    • @jekblom123
      @jekblom123 3 года назад

      and that was?

    • @Alpha121198
      @Alpha121198 3 года назад +4

      @@jekblom123 That sad thing is I genuinely can’t remember, I do remember she said that in response to how she won a bet against her best friend in a game of… I think basket ball? Something along the lines of;
      “You only won because you cheated.”
      “HEY POCKET SAND IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY.”
      And it stuck with me.

  • @paulhiggins6433
    @paulhiggins6433 2 года назад +12

    I loved the DBZA references throughout the video. Fantastically done. Didn't overplay them at all and was able to throw one out when least expected. And yes, thanks to DBZA, I will forever think of Dodoria as a girl.

  • @kaijukoopa1248
    @kaijukoopa1248 3 года назад +12

    "you are no longer dealing with an ordinary saiyan..."

    • @NewYorxer
      @NewYorxer 4 дня назад

      Oh god, we're doing this again?

  • @borisbutterscotch9482
    @borisbutterscotch9482 3 года назад +23

    Pre watching prediction time! I think he's gonna start out as lawful or neutral evil, by the end of the Freeza saga and during the Cell saga, he's gonna be a chaotic neutral, and by the time Buu is over with, he'll be chaotic good.

    • @gew393
      @gew393 3 года назад +5

      Pretty close actually

  • @harunocaleon4690
    @harunocaleon4690 3 года назад +29

    I love how this shows Vegeta character evolution. From Chaotic Evil to Lawful Good. He is truly the best character.

    • @ZigealFaust
      @ZigealFaust 3 года назад +4

      He legit went from Bandit King to Flawed Arthurian Knight.
      That's a hell of a ride.

    • @ryanclemons1
      @ryanclemons1 Год назад +1

      did you even watch the video?

  • @supremefankai5480
    @supremefankai5480 3 года назад +17

    I love it how the super Saiyan you use is Masakox's good boy Raditz.
    Nice cross promotion.

    • @mastertadakatsu
      @mastertadakatsu 3 года назад

      Too bad the Pathfinder 2e Cover only has SSJ Raditz. Love that the DnD 5e conversation has the Ranch Fusions.

  • @zuzegui
    @zuzegui 3 года назад +4

    22:14 I would just like to say you kinda undersold a really Nobel moment for Vegi.
    When he was revived after Namek he felt no remorse for his actions but he specifically asked for the lives to be spared from the day of the tournament. He killed thousands and that for once rested on his conscience

  • @bluekaiser7073
    @bluekaiser7073 3 года назад +45

    Yeah, Vegeta is an excellent character.
    I hope we’ll see Freeza’s alignement even if he is as chaotic evil as Dio, so here a comment for the youtube algorithm to help the goal!

    • @jaketheberge1970
      @jaketheberge1970 3 года назад +1

      Dbs may shift him a bit away from chaotic evil. He was a team player and helps save their universe. He is still not a good guy but he may qualify as lawful evil instead. I mean he does run a huge space empire and usually only kills for failures or practicality. So maybe he could even start off as lawful evil.

    • @ryuudraco592
      @ryuudraco592 3 года назад

      @@jaketheberge1970 I feel like it depends. Remember freeza is only a team player for 3 reasons
      1: because if they lose their all dead [neutral or lawful neutral]
      2: he wants to be brought back to life [chaotic neutral]
      3: to eradicate the gods/become stronger than them [chaotic evil]
      2 are chaotic and 2 are neutral so at best him being a team player is chaotic neutral. I admit I haven't watched all of super (I just keep putting it off for really no reason) but overall I don't see the tournament of power would give him a significant change just for being a team player. Heck he literally beats people with an inch of their life saying "their still alive when I push them off and I'm not responsible for them dying outside of battle" yeah he's a "team player" but only as much as he needs to be. Even helping Gohan, had gohan not caught on freeza would totally send him over the edge

    • @jaketheberge1970
      @jaketheberge1970 3 года назад +1

      @@ryuudraco592 Have you seen the new Broly movie yet? SPOILERS AND ITS REALLY GOOD GO WATCH IF YOU HAVEN'T.
      It takes place after the TOP. Frieza is portrayed differently than in the past. He seems to have grown somewhat. He looks past the fact tha Broly is a Saiyan (a race he has had a near racist hatred for to the point of genocide) and recognizes his potential instead of just killing him. Compared to DBZ Frieza who treated Vegeta and his crew like lower lifeforms, just more canon fodder for his army. Also in Broly he treats his minions with much more restraint. At one point he is made fun of by one of his crew and he shrugs it off. He also seems to have changed his view on immortality after his time in hell (I think he said that after his time there immortality no longer holds any appeal). Instead of wanting to butcher an entire race just to live forever all he seems to want now is to wish to be taller. He does murder someone as "motivation" but you know baby steps.

    • @ryuudraco592
      @ryuudraco592 3 года назад +1

      @@jaketheberge1970 no I haven't. I'm going to watch it after tof. So if that's the case then it probably is possible for him to go to lawful evil depending how much of a code he fallows

    • @samuelbattershell3413
      @samuelbattershell3413 3 года назад

      Frieza is more of a NE character, Cold and Cooler are Lawful Evil

  • @weirdguy1495
    @weirdguy1495 3 года назад +8

    Frieza's pretty much going to be super Neutral Evil since he keeps flip-flopping between lawful and chaotic actions throughout his screentime.

  • @johnhalo8726
    @johnhalo8726 3 года назад +4

    This video just reminded me why Vegeta my absolute favorite character in Dragonball and why he desperately needs the spotlight

  • @benjaminbierley2074
    @benjaminbierley2074 2 года назад +1

    the line "My heart is pure...pure...unadulterated...badass" works so much better.

  • @kacperwojas4293
    @kacperwojas4293 3 года назад +10

    7:50
    I think that joshscorchers "yeet" is a damn meme at this point

    • @ZeroRoyale
      @ZeroRoyale 3 года назад

      Wait that was from Josh?

    • @kacperwojas4293
      @kacperwojas4293 3 года назад

      @@ZeroRoyale Yes. Since Kefka video where Josh said it it's being used in others

  • @darkherculeskabuterimon7203
    @darkherculeskabuterimon7203 3 года назад +8

    Ooh, new wheel! Let's see...
    LG: Artoria Pendragon (Saber)
    NG: Lucinia
    CG: Son Goku/Kakarot
    LN: Death the Kid
    TN: The Knight
    CN: The Kenpachi from Zaraki
    LE: Alastor
    NE: Jafar
    CE: Majora's Mask

  • @vento3554
    @vento3554 3 года назад +10

    I hope the moro arc gets animated before you do super vegeta, I think it was great for his character.

    • @leoneyamada5408
      @leoneyamada5408 3 года назад

      i mean spoilers..... but not really because the manga is the only dragon ball stuff we are getting for a looooong time so not really spoilers but spoilers because its not animated yet...... but yes it does wonders for him. he is going to become g.o.d vegeta and im thinking purple hair vegeta will just look really nice. but yes he is atoning for his race and is going to become the best person he could be while also growing in power way more then anyone can be even if the baddy is way stronger (for now) ALSO THE FACT HE CAN USE HAKAI WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT IT IS IS BULLSHIT. his wish was to make him as strong as he could grow by condensing his years of life down, aka he abused the fast forward button from the movie click. and that is how strong he would have been if he lived his whole life PERFECTLY so how in the fuck did he get hakai? the wish didnt grant him the skills he could have learned or else he would also know perfect ui and kioken and kamehameha and galick gun and final flash and spirit bomb and kai kai and instant movement and how to heal people and how to use god ki and solar flare and EVERY SKILL WE EVER SEE IN DRAGON BALL EVER, do you see why the fact he uses hakai is bullshit yet? there is NO REASON for him to be able to use that and at that level, but lets say the wish dragon gave him a little bonus for no reason HE STILL SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT KNOWING EVERY OTHER SKILL EVER. meaning granola or cereal or whatever the fuck his name is IS MORE OF A SELL OUT THEN EVEN CELL. everyone keeps going on and on about how cool he is, future trunks is cooler for being a cool swordsman, frieza is a cooler villain then him, hell even zamasu used the dragon balls to become stronger better then he did (wishing to be immortal is by definition way better then simply wishing for all your years of life away for strength because if your immortal you an spend forever training to get stronger rather then being stronger and then dying almost right after.... HE EVEN KNOWS THAT HE COULD WISH TO BE IMMORTAL AND THEN DO THIS WISH AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INFINITELY BETTER THEN WASTING HIS LIFE. he is stupid for making that wish, because the effects of that wish would have been multiplied infinitely by wishing to be immortal FIRST (the wish was trade all the years of your life for power so if you have ALL of the years then you can just grow FOREVER) this guy is so stupid in my eyes and i hate everything about him but his looks

  • @beaushorkey9313
    @beaushorkey9313 3 года назад +5

    This is the first video of yours that showed up on my recommendations in 5 months.

  • @parzival-bo
    @parzival-bo 3 года назад +14

    So, if we ever do other DB characters...I'd personally like to see one on the Androids. 17 specifically, though 18 and 16 are also perfectly valid.

    • @dimielgo2267
      @dimielgo2267 3 года назад +1

      17 would probably be neutral evil, then neutral, then lawful neutral.

    • @brandonlyon730
      @brandonlyon730 2 года назад +1

      Depends which timeline, there basically completely people in the different timelines.

    • @gamester512
      @gamester512 Год назад

      @@brandonlyon730 The Future Androids would both be purely Chaotic Evil. There's not much deviation from that with them, as even on those occasions that they allowed Gohan & Trunks to escape, they did so more because it meant they could have more "fun" fighting them later than out of any sense of compassion, mercy, or altruism.
      But, with the "present" androids, I would actually argue that they would both start off as True Neutral with a heavy leaning towards Chaotic Neutral, as the *only* reason they are even after Goku in the first place is because they were *programmed* to hunt him down and kill him (which, in a sense, could be seen or treated as a form of brainwashing), so it's something they have very little control over. But other than that, all three of them are relatively chill and laid-back, and they don't really engage in wanton slaughter and destruction (a great example of this would be 17's reaction to Imperfect Cell blasting a hole through Piccolo's chest, he's outraged and disgusted by that action, which is a strong indication of 17's strong moral compass).
      Even 16 would probably start off as Lawful Neutral, as he's initially just a machine bound by his programming, only for him to later be freed from that programming by Bulma, at which point he would be closer to being Lawful Good considering his willingness to sacrifice himself to both give Gohan the push he needed to achieve Super Saiyan 2 and to protect the Earth.
      17 & 18 would probably be True Neutral leaning towards Chaotic Neutral considering the fact that their very first action upon being activated by Gero was to kill him and destroy the remote that could de-activate them (a Chaotic and potentially Good act). Plus, even once the Androids got the better of the Z Fighters in battle and had ample opportunity to just kill them all, they chose *not* to do so and just let them be (albeit with Vegeta having suffered a broken arm and Trunks having lost his sword)....not to mention 18 then going on to kiss Krillin on the cheek before she left, all because they had no real quarrel with the Z Fighters as a whole.
      Plus, when Piccolo (after fusing with Kami) later confronts 17, the Androids keep their word about 16 & 18 not interfering, and 17 even offers Piccolo a chance to leave without a fight.
      And then after the Cell saga is over, 17 of course is not shown again until Super, but I would argue that as of the Buu saga 18 would now be either Chaotic Neutral with a strong lean towards Chaotic Good or just outright Chaotic Good, as despite her desire for money, she is still a loving wife to Krillin and an equally loving mother to Marron. So even her desire for wealth could still be seen as 18 simply wanting to ensure that her family would be well cared and provided for.

  • @JazzOfTheStinson
    @JazzOfTheStinson 3 года назад +3

    Honestly you deserve more viewers and subscribers. I was honestly surprised when I looked at your subscriber/view count. You definitely put a lot of quality into your work.

    • @TheLoadingCrew
      @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад +2

      I appreciate that. People just don't really care about alignment anymore sadly /shrug
      when I move onto something else i'm sure it will do well. there are lots of video essays I want to do in the future that will be more fun for me and everyone else involved I think

    • @JazzOfTheStinson
      @JazzOfTheStinson 3 года назад +1

      @@TheLoadingCrew I think it's more important than most people think. I think looking at your past actions and quantifying them as good or bad is very fun way of deciding future actions and makes you seem like a much more consistent character. I tried to use the way you look at Alignment to quantify my characters

    • @TheLoadingCrew
      @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад

      if you wanna support us check out our pokemon dnd campaign :) it's really good. although you might want to watch the recap videos to skip the first 200 episodes

  • @valiensr1037
    @valiensr1037 3 года назад +2

    I’d also like to point out that Nappa suggests they use their wish to bring back Nappa, but Vegeta shuts it down, calling Raditz a useless weakling

  • @aaronblygh4719
    @aaronblygh4719 3 года назад +17

    You should do what alignment is DBZA Vagita next

    • @rompevuevitos222
      @rompevuevitos222 3 года назад +1

      Fajita?

    • @parzival-bo
      @parzival-bo 3 года назад +4

      Chaotic Evil for most of it, possibly Chaotic Neutral by the very end.

    • @aaronblygh4719
      @aaronblygh4719 3 года назад

      @@rompevuevitos222 Good ol' Vegie?

    • @aaronblygh4719
      @aaronblygh4719 3 года назад

      @@parzival-bo Yeah that's about right

    • @rompevuevitos222
      @rompevuevitos222 3 года назад

      @@aaronblygh4719 I still don't know how they fuck crops

  • @mareofstature
    @mareofstature 3 года назад +24

    Calling it now, Frieza-Lawful evil

    • @spawn316
      @spawn316 3 года назад +10

      i'd say closer to true evil just because he has just as many chaotic outbursts and decisively planned evil acts

  • @FLAMETHROWER299
    @FLAMETHROWER299 Месяц назад

    Vegeta is a fascinating character becuase throughout the entirety of dragon ball z, he is never a good person until the very end when vegeta realizes his pride is what caused him nearly all of his problems, however, what is even more fascinating, is that his weakness, that pride, also was the drive that gave him the greatest forms of growth as a person that he though he wanted to be, in the namek saga, how vegetas first act of good in the series is begging goku to take down frieza, not only for himself, but for the entire saiyan race, i declared this a lawful good action because this is the first time in his life that vegeta isnt just speaking for himself but for the heritage of his people, vegeta is a character thats takes alot of pride in his title as prince, but he wears it as a symbol of superiority and not his responsibility, have you noticed that the closer vegeta is to death, the better a person he becomes, when frieza killed him, he begged for closure for his people, when cell slapped him, he apologized to gohan by name, and when majin buu was attacking, he overcame literal magical brainwashing to defend his home, now this isnt to say that vegeta would've become good on his own, the saiyans as a culture were mostly chaotic evil, in their history they were notorious for subjagating and exterminating other civilizations, however when presented with a greater threat and a greater tyrant than even his own father, vegeta as the leader of this evil group of people, gained something that saiyans desperately needed "perspective" thanks to vegetas life of growing up as a slave, he understood the subjugation that his people started forcing unto others, and it turned him into a cold, bitter, prideful person, who could only feel good when he was imposing his strength on others, its the classic bully syndrom, many times these classic bullies have immense confidence in themselves, but only when they can belittle others, but, there is a good chance that the environment they grew up in, forged their perception on relationships, this is pretty tragically common actually, toxic people growing up in abusive situations will oftenly sabotage perfectly healthy relationships, like vegeta did because they're scared of the calm that they're finding, while vegetas motivation to betray his family was more for physical fitness, i guess, its kind of scary how realistic and how long his transformation into a good person took, even during that time after cell, vegeta isnt good, he was just complacent, vegetas growth as a person was the most natural and i would argue toriyamas greatest achievement as a writer

  • @somethingsomethingfaum324
    @somethingsomethingfaum324 3 года назад +1

    Your choice, but I personally think GT Vegeta would be more interesting to cover. His growth is far more exact to how it should be, instead of a reversion to constantly saying he needs to beat Goku, and him being needlessly over confident. Which, while is Vegeta normally, he also doesn't seem to get that he's outmatched. A lesson he learned and put forth in the Buu Saga, except for his outbursts towards Buuhan.
    Meanwhile, GT Vegeta typically understands his situations and fights for what he realistically should in that line of events. His family and Earth, not the sake of proving he's the best, but aiming to better himself.

  • @morallygary9098
    @morallygary9098 2 года назад

    I love how the slip about Dadoria absolutely came from watching dbz abridged.

  • @Ekklo
    @Ekklo 3 года назад +8

    "VaaaGEEEEEEtaaaaaaa!" -Nappa

    • @jackmist
      @jackmist 3 года назад +1

      "God damn it Nappa." -Vegeta

    • @Ekklo
      @Ekklo 3 года назад +1

      @@jackmist ...
      ...
      Vageta

    • @jackmist
      @jackmist 3 года назад

      @@Ekklo ok

    • @arutka2000
      @arutka2000 3 года назад

      "I'm haunting you."

  • @malyssaryan1987
    @malyssaryan1987 3 года назад +2

    The biggest problem with Vegeta's sacrifice play is that he did it in such a big AOE. This spread the damage in all the wrong directions. If it had been a beam, or even just a front cone, it might have actually worked.
    Also he died because he fed his life force into the blast. Like Tien did against Semi-perfect Cell, or Roshi does later in Super.

  • @UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap
    @UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap 3 года назад +7

    "arguably had the greatest and most consistent character development"
    me, a dragon ball dissection enjoyer:🙃

  • @superior2096
    @superior2096 3 года назад +6

    You really like masako x's Radtiz don't you?

  • @Oxurus
    @Oxurus 2 года назад +2

    I love the DBZA references lol.

  • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
    @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty 3 года назад +6

    Bring on the Super! Let’s all get to it, I’d like to see how he develops from his original ailment in Z to Super
    Edit: Also this video makes me want to rewatch Dragon Ball Z Kai, it was the one that I watched as a kid

  • @digunder14
    @digunder14 Год назад

    got to love that when he actually tries pure pride lets him retain control with the power

  • @Jkchavesz
    @Jkchavesz 3 года назад +5

    Wait did he call dodoria a her.
    Is that a tfs reference

    • @arutka2000
      @arutka2000 3 года назад

      The script is rife with them.

  • @sarahreynolds1958
    @sarahreynolds1958 3 года назад +1

    Can we just sit here a moment, and appreciate the fact that that last fight with Buu is the first time that the Spirit bomb actually worked?

  • @mAcChaosCh
    @mAcChaosCh 3 года назад +2

    This is an amazing concept! You should do more characters, like Goku. I want to say I think this ranking is a bit off though, since you're weighing every act the same. Vegeta massacring a town moves him just as move as him saying something nice to Krillin.

  • @reifuTD
    @reifuTD 3 года назад +4

    God trying to figure out character actions in long fights can be hard in my own time I've tried to map out the Inuyasha and Yuri of the hair fight and the first Inuyasha and Sesshomaru fight,

    • @TheLoadingCrew
      @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад +2

      long anime are my death knell...I love DBZ and this was hard

    • @reifuTD
      @reifuTD 3 года назад

      @@TheLoadingCrew I think I've messed with Inuyasha up to episode six of seven, My main focus was Yashahime because it was new and the main characters where interesting, I was doing episodes as they came out but I stopped at episode 14 and now that season one is done, I'm going to finish. I stopped because I decided I didn't want to keep doing one episode week and to break, just enjoy the show and do work on other things with out interruption. But yeah I currently have it mapped out in a google doc.

  • @InfiniteJexulus
    @InfiniteJexulus 3 года назад +4

    I feel like if Vegeta showed up more in GT, he’d have gotten more fleshed out as a Chaotic Good ally. What we got was great though, even the mustache.

  • @Kakaragi
    @Kakaragi 3 года назад +1

    16:59 actually, Vegeta attained Ssj2 before the Buu saga

  • @Geninacra
    @Geninacra 3 года назад +2

    If you want, you could do a "side by side" Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball TFS abridge.
    It's the same story but... with some "changes" that, I think make the story more streamlime and sensible.

  • @jvjv8093
    @jvjv8093 3 года назад

    2 months later and it's half-way there. You're slowly getting recommended and thrown into the algorith. Keep going!

  • @depressedhamburger4880
    @depressedhamburger4880 3 года назад

    this makes me wanna rewatch dragon ball

  • @ThorsShadow
    @ThorsShadow 3 года назад +3

    2:01 "one of the last sons of a lycanthropic alien race"
    Doesn't lycanthropy specifically mean the transformation into a werewolf (i.e not other were-creatures)? Or does the term mean all were-creatures, including - in the case of Dragonball - ape.

  • @Erykthebat
    @Erykthebat 3 года назад

    My precious modeling career !

  • @artofwar54321
    @artofwar54321 3 года назад +2

    My hype level for this video is over 9000! 👍

  • @mattrare4459
    @mattrare4459 2 года назад

    Oh boy, can't wait for that Frieza alignment:D

  • @movespammerguyteam7colors
    @movespammerguyteam7colors 2 года назад

    Look the term “CHAOTIC STUPID” seems to fit Vegeta in the Cell and Buu sagas. He eventually comes to terms with his situation and then the Super series begins almost right after the end of Buu, he overall is a better person than he was but he still has his mean streak.

  • @dandragon8595
    @dandragon8595 3 года назад +1

    Great video! However one misnomer is the part where you said Vegeta becomes Majin and unlocks Super Saiyan 2, that is falls. Vegeta already had Super Saiyan 2 by the time Babadi used his magic too boost Vegeta's power to level where he was equal to Goku's power, nothing more.

  • @SaturnineXTS
    @SaturnineXTS 7 месяцев назад

    One thing - Babidi's spell didn't grant Vegeta SSj2, it just gave him a boost in power that put him on par with Goku. Previously he was inferior in equivalent forms.

  • @cdesigner9178
    @cdesigner9178 2 года назад

    For the part where you showed a clip and said that it is subjective (obviously), you missed a PERFECT opportunity for a "B*tch, I'm adorable" moment form DBZ Abridged.

  • @Netherwolf6100
    @Netherwolf6100 Год назад +1

    Been watching a lot of Dragonball lately and I think I came to a realization. In the Dragonball World, Earth has become a Perfect Utopia. *(Until Super
    Retconned everything)*
    Its canon that at the end of Z, during the final fight with Pure Kid Buu, Vegeta made a wish that only revives "Good" people, which is why even Goku is shocked that Vegeta was brought back to life, thus meaning he changed alignment over the course of the series, obviously. But what this also implies is that, every criminal or evil person who truly committed acts of wrongdoing and enjoyed doing so, are now dead and have remained dead. Every thief, murderer, stalker, rapist, serial killer, every person in every prison that wasn't wrongfully incriminated, are dead and have remained dead ever since. That basically means..... Dragonball's Earth is almost entirely pure and completely devoid of any evil people.............

  • @timwoods2852
    @timwoods2852 3 года назад

    Hmm. This gave me a better understanding of Vegita, and I think I don't hate him anymore, so, thanks.

  • @jnascimento7023
    @jnascimento7023 Год назад

    Honestly Vegeta gotta be one of my favorite character in all shounens
    not only for nostalgia sake about the series as a whole
    But for its growing and ever changing character... except for super where the writers basically decided lets just make him a coal copy of the buu saga

  • @p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750
    @p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750 3 года назад

    How in the actual fuck do you have less than 50k subs? Your alignment videos are fantastic. Honestly if you focused those (one a week or something) you'd blow up hardcore.

  • @phantafalconpunch
    @phantafalconpunch 3 года назад +3

    Alright, I'm gonna be THAT guy. TECHNICALLY Freiza is monochromatic not bi-chromatic. White isn't a color and is just a brighter "shade" of purple, his other color. Great video man, keep it up, liked for the Frieza video. With any luck it will be as challenging to write as the Dio video :)

    • @TheLoadingCrew
      @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад +3

      by bi-colored. the joke was bi-sexual colors. it was admittedly not that good

    • @phantafalconpunch
      @phantafalconpunch 3 года назад +2

      @@TheLoadingCrew ok, now I get it. Sorry, I'm not that good with jokes :)

  • @thicciroh
    @thicciroh Год назад

    It took about a year but I’m ready for the freeza video😇

  • @crimtheidiotgenius3694
    @crimtheidiotgenius3694 Год назад

    I’m gonna clarify a couple bits of misinformation in this video.
    • Vegeta didn’t really “turn the tides” for the good guys by attacking Cell. More accurately, he enabled Gohan to turn the tides.
    • Kid Boo, at least within the anime continuities, is not only not the weakest form of Boo, but the strongest. This was confirmed across multiple statements made by Goku and the narrator. Goku and Vegeta simply got a plot-convenient power boost that could potentially rival metamoran fusion at this point.
    • Vegeta’s “you are number one” speech isn’t him recognizing that Goku “will always be the better fighter”, it’s him acknowledging that what’s put Goku ahead of him for so long. It’s not “I understand that you’ll always be better than me”, it’s “I understand why you’ve always been ahead of me, and right now you’re the only one that’s strong enough to defeat Boo.” That’s why Vegeta says he’s number one, because not even Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan were on Goku’s level at that point.

  • @spinoirrex2433
    @spinoirrex2433 3 года назад +1

    Can't wait for the super (anime version) and super (manga version) of what DnD alignment is vegeta

  • @DundG
    @DundG 3 года назад

    Vegeta looks at true neutral: "You come closer, and I punch your face away!"

  • @kalebbailstorm9733
    @kalebbailstorm9733 3 года назад +2

    at 6:10 "he tortures dodoria and stabs her in the back" put him in the text, but I can tell TFS canon has gotten to you lmao xD

  • @The_Nostalgiac
    @The_Nostalgiac 3 года назад

    13:51
    trunks:ima just T-pose

  • @jacobweatherford4696
    @jacobweatherford4696 3 года назад +1

    I agree Stuart frieza is awesome he's one of my all time favorite characters

  • @adrianlangen6700
    @adrianlangen6700 3 года назад +1

    THAT´S IT, ACTIVATING THE BELL! The fact that I missed the premiere of this is a cardinal sin.

  • @mobgabriel1767
    @mobgabriel1767 21 день назад

    "pure evil to the core"
    *looks up alignement chart
    insert here anakin's "LIAR!" quote

  • @PhantomStriker04
    @PhantomStriker04 Год назад

    Fun fact: Vegeta's SSJ2 is NOT first achieved due to the power up from Babidi's control, but due to his previous training in the 7 year time skip. The power up was just high enough to be stronger than a full power Gohan SSJ2 (from Cell Saga), I think.

  • @wJermell0
    @wJermell0 3 года назад +1

    I'd say you were a little too generous with what constituted neutral and good actions but overall this is a great analysis!

  • @angelikakubacka4998
    @angelikakubacka4998 3 года назад +2

    I wonder what alignment will have Majima from Yakuza series. Hoping for video!

  • @RayAkuma
    @RayAkuma 2 года назад

    13:35
    Love the TFS reference

  • @tipulsar85
    @tipulsar85 3 года назад +2

    Yeah, you get to talk about Ozaru's spiritual ancestor soon... Yes Toriyama did base it off of King Kong.

  • @MegaPokefan97
    @MegaPokefan97 3 года назад +3

    Do a Video on Kazuma Satou from Konosuba

  • @jvjv8093
    @jvjv8093 3 года назад

    This video needs more views. Comment for algorithm.

  • @LewiCC-rd5nf
    @LewiCC-rd5nf 11 месяцев назад

    So a class disadvantage for the Sayins is that they won't join the fight unless the opponent gets advantage on every roll and is given an extra attack in the first 10 rounds on them.

  • @Erykthebat
    @Erykthebat 3 года назад +1

    Do DBZ Abridged Gohan, it is after all the most faithful adaptation for some reason , and funniest

  • @juliushaahrkringelbach6744
    @juliushaahrkringelbach6744 3 года назад

    One of the best series

  • @buttershush8895
    @buttershush8895 3 года назад +2

    "Stabs her in the back" I see what you did there.

  • @lupvirga
    @lupvirga Год назад

    that isn't the only thing, he SPECIFICALLY SAYS from the day the world tournement started and onward so he would revive the people HE killed. That's 100% a lawful good act too.

  • @Nameandaddresswithheld
    @Nameandaddresswithheld 3 года назад

    I think vegeta should get one extra ding for his self sacrifice because he knew when he did it, that he would go to hell. To me this makes his sacrifice so much more impactful than any time goku does it. For goku, dying is like “oh you mean I get to train without having to be a father? Cool!”. For vegeta it’s “I’m probably going to suffer immensely and may never get brought back but I’ll do this anyway

  • @drkinferno72
    @drkinferno72 3 года назад

    Chaotic good at the end

  • @WolfBoy-om6dw
    @WolfBoy-om6dw 3 года назад +2

    Fantastic video Stuart good job

  • @LucidStrike
    @LucidStrike 3 года назад

    After that Final Explosion, Chaotic Good, unambiguously.

  • @heyindiegamer7831
    @heyindiegamer7831 2 года назад

    2:53
    We are getting closer

  • @rehmanmir7865
    @rehmanmir7865 3 года назад

    I found your circle of alignments accurate but uhh… kind of comical lol, I love seeing Jafar up with a bunch of anime people

  • @Dhyfis
    @Dhyfis 3 года назад +1

    I originally didn't think that I would want the kind of material for Pathfinder such as Dragonball races, but after getting and reading both products, turns out that I was wrong and I did.

    • @gamester512
      @gamester512 2 года назад

      Something else that you might find interesting is that there is also a fan-made companion guide that converts all of the races and Jobs from FF XIV (minus the Reaper & Sage) into a D&D 5e format. It's not that hard to find either. The Dark Knight for instance can function (based on the chosen subclass) as either a Tank (Blackblood), melee magic-user (Abyss Knight), or something closer to a traditional mage (Dark Magus)....albeit one that can still hold their own in melee combat and can wear armor without fear of hindering their supernatural abilities. They also gain some handy abilities like The Blackest Night (by spending one Hit Die, you or one other creature within 30 ft. of you gains temporary HP equal to d10 + your Charisma modifier), Souleater (once per turn life drain from a melee attack), and Quietus (make a melee attack against all creatures within 10 ft. of you, and you can optionally spend one Hit Die and roll it to deal that much additional damage as Necrotic damage).

  • @JustARandomMexican
    @JustARandomMexican 3 года назад

    First video and subbed for Pathfinder gang. Algorithm brought me here and I feel like this channel is going to pop off before long here.

  • @researchinbreeder
    @researchinbreeder 3 года назад +5

    Oo new alignment chart, this time with characters I can easily recognize in every piece (Alastor took the longest bc the colors on his face mixed weirdly)
    Edit: I also recognized everyone in the old one, but the Joker depiction used didn't read well at all. Hell, i only knew it was Joker bc Tulok pointed it out in the Joker video itself.

  • @brianjohnson5272
    @brianjohnson5272 2 года назад

    Goku didn't grow up, he's a toys'r'us kid!

  • @SerenityM16
    @SerenityM16 Год назад

    There’s wayyyyyy too many times he lists off something as chaotic neutral that I would call chaotic evil

  • @deadso
    @deadso 3 года назад +1

    Instead of Chaotic Neutral I would've gone with Lawfull Evil in most of the cases before the end of Namek. He is Lawfull (Heratige, Race) and his upbrining and reasoning is primarily Evil, but still logical and lawfull in his mind).

  • @DaddyVeo1911
    @DaddyVeo1911 3 года назад

    Hey. Hey, Stuart. We're getting close to the frieza video goal.

    • @TheLoadingCrew
      @TheLoadingCrew  3 года назад +1

      oh dang! so we are!

    • @DaddyVeo1911
      @DaddyVeo1911 3 года назад +1

      @@TheLoadingCrew ye. Loved this video, by the way. Actually made me tear up at the middle and end.