Hi, I have a question, please help me. I have a 98 Cherokee with a Spartan in the back, the clearance is 0.133, I think it's within specifications. I used Valvoline Synpower synthetic 75w140 oil. Now, what I don't know is that it's normal that when turning, for example in a parking lot or any other turn, it makes a lot of noise and sometimes when I start straight, is this normal or what do I need to do? Please, thank you.
@Mountain Crawlers No it was ok. I got a 97 ZJ orvis with the 5.2. I swapped out the Carrier with limited slip and put a open in it. You need a open diff carrier to use a locker anyways and the clutch packs were breaking apart. I was lucky and got 2 rear ends out of jeeps at work with the same gear ratio. I've been buying axle shafts, driveshafts, transfer cases, you name it off jeep that come into work because I know how expensive stuff is when it breaks. I just got the a front shaft out a XJ with the ujoint instead of the terrible design on the ZJ. I plan to swap them once mine starts to go on my ZJ. I love these old jeeps. Great video man I subscribed 🤙
Gets lubed right away when we dumped oil in and spun it by hand. Didn’t hurt it at all. Wouldn’t assemble a diff rebuild dry of course but never had an issue with doing it on a lunchbox locker.
Ball park of 3-500 bucks in labor depending on their shops hourly rate. Not doing gears so it shouldn’t be as expensive as a full diff rebuild in my opinion.
It’s a moveable cart that makes working on crap in the shop easier as all our tables are full of projects from working on customers vehicles. So the cart works just fine 👍
I got a rear spartan locker already. How does it drive on the street in 2wd? Any difference? It's my daily and work rig so i didn't pull the trigger on the front one until i hear from someone with experience
Some of us on the channel daily our rigs with a front spartan. My personal experience in 2wd I can never hear or feel my locker at all. Has great street manners. In 4wd is of course a different story though. But if planning to daily in 2wd then I’d say go for it! My jeep is a daily as well. I’d actually prefer a Spartan front and selectable rear.
@mountaincrawlers8 I'll be doing offroad recovery and a lot of prospecting after I get the next round of upgrades installed, including a brand new stroker engine as one of my piston skirts broke on startup about 7 months ago, took about 3 months to get the money for the engine and I been waiting over 4 months for it to be delivered coz of all the shortages
after only 3 months i took mine out again. UNBAREABLE for a DD! driveshaft is bouncing like crazy in turns all the time. also popping of the spartan. it sounds and shakes the car like the axle breaks nearly everytime i turn the steering. there is a design flaw in the spartan. i was afraid it will damage something important soon. when in 4wd it behaves ok, but never ever step on the gas or decelerate a lot or else you lose steering instantly. with a lot caution it is driveable in 4wd (dry road) but you will feel a lot of torque-steer. bouncing of driveshaft is rare, popping of spartan does appear sometimes. off road (in 4wd) it is a game changer. very impressive, very nice. popping does appear but not so often. climbs like a mountain goat, turns like open diff.
Look at the end of my next video and you can see we did a short test on both front and rear lockers. Will get even more footage of it on our next outing
If you’re going with one I’d pick front first before rear. It’s better to have the vehicle trying to pull the front end up an obstacle instead of the rear end trying to push it up. Ideally you want lockers in both axles.
@@mountaincrawlers8 appreciate you getting back to me! I’m debating as I don’t do much off road driving. I remember as a kid my dad’s wagoneer getting stuck in snow and ice and I don’t want that either. At the same time I don’t know how adding front or both will effect my daily ride.
@@Deadbuck73 a lunchbox locker is definitely different driving in the snow. Just be aware of that. But on pavement in 2wd if it’s installed in the front you can’t even tell it’s there. If you install is in the rear it will click on turns but that’s normal.
@@Deadbuck73 just don’t act like you’d normally think. You get used to it though. Have to slow your speed way down for sharp turning or it will want to just keep going straight. If it’s something you don’t want to have to deal with then a selectable locker is the only other route. But they’re pricey.
@@mountaincrawlers8 popping appears when one wheel tries to go faster than the other but the spartan has positioned itself in the way that it will only block more than ratchet. then it binds more and more until it counterrotates in lightspeed to free the energy. that makes the popping (breaking) sound. i wonder about the material they use. nothing broke so far by miracle.
@@mountaincrawlers8 i tested it in various ways. in most cases it was ratcheting normal. when i changed the position of the driveshaft (by rotating it by hand) most of the times it was binding instantly. in other words: driveshaft in accel-position or decel-position = ratcheting ok. driveshaft in in-between-position = binding appears.
Quince actually does most of his own work… just needed insight on how to do lockers and I was more than willing to help and was also a great opportunity for a video
Hi, I have a question, please help me. I have a 98 Cherokee with a Spartan in the back, the clearance is 0.133, I think it's within specifications. I used Valvoline Synpower synthetic 75w140 oil. Now, what I don't know is that it's normal that when turning, for example in a parking lot or any other turn, it makes a lot of noise and sometimes when I start straight, is this normal or what do I need to do? Please, thank you.
Beautiful Jeep 👍
Big improvement. We have both frond and rear lockers added to our XJ, so we know it is very good thing.
Nice carrier trick, I hooked up a ratchet strap to my hitch😅 she was good and stuck
Been using that trick for years! Hope your carrier didn’t come crashing to the ground 😅
@Mountain Crawlers No it was ok. I got a 97 ZJ orvis with the 5.2. I swapped out the Carrier with limited slip and put a open in it. You need a open diff carrier to use a locker anyways and the clutch packs were breaking apart. I was lucky and got 2 rear ends out of jeeps at work with the same gear ratio. I've been buying axle shafts, driveshafts, transfer cases, you name it off jeep that come into work because I know how expensive stuff is when it breaks. I just got the a front shaft out a XJ with the ujoint instead of the terrible design on the ZJ. I plan to swap them once mine starts to go on my ZJ. I love these old jeeps. Great video man I subscribed 🤙
how does it drive on dry and wet street roads
thanks for doing this locker please do a review on how it does
Several people in my videos including myself are running these lockers in our Jeeps and we have no complaints! They hold up great!
@@mountaincrawlers8 thanks
Beautiful Jeep. What size lift do you have? What size tires?
Thanks for sharing . Assembling the locker dry seems counter intuitive , is there a reason ?
Gets lubed right away when we dumped oil in and spun it by hand. Didn’t hurt it at all. Wouldn’t assemble a diff rebuild dry of course but never had an issue with doing it on a lunchbox locker.
@@mountaincrawlers8 OK ,thanks !
Would you put this in a semi daily wj when i wanna have mega wheeling powers? Whats the orange shit by the axle seal. Not the red lok tite.
Yeah if you’re on a budget it’s an excellent locker
How much should a shop charge to install this locker?
Ball park of 3-500 bucks in labor depending on their shops hourly rate. Not doing gears so it shouldn’t be as expensive as a full diff rebuild in my opinion.
Are those factory flares on the front of the 92?
Yes
Do you need a different surface to beat your stuff in on that one’s too bouncy?
It’s a moveable cart that makes working on crap in the shop easier as all our tables are full of projects from working on customers vehicles. So the cart works just fine 👍
180amp Lincoln Locker 🧐
Definitely not on a street rig lol
I got a rear spartan locker already. How does it drive on the street in 2wd? Any difference? It's my daily and work rig so i didn't pull the trigger on the front one until i hear from someone with experience
Some of us on the channel daily our rigs with a front spartan. My personal experience in 2wd I can never hear or feel my locker at all. Has great street manners. In 4wd is of course a different story though. But if planning to daily in 2wd then I’d say go for it! My jeep is a daily as well. I’d actually prefer a Spartan front and selectable rear.
@mountaincrawlers8 I'll be doing offroad recovery and a lot of prospecting after I get the next round of upgrades installed, including a brand new stroker engine as one of my piston skirts broke on startup about 7 months ago, took about 3 months to get the money for the engine and I been waiting over 4 months for it to be delivered coz of all the shortages
@@autotek7930 wish you best of luck!
@@mountaincrawlers8 much appreciated. I been depressed without my freedom lol
after only 3 months i took mine out again. UNBAREABLE for a DD!
driveshaft is bouncing like crazy in turns all the time. also popping of the spartan. it sounds and shakes the car like the axle breaks nearly everytime i turn the steering. there is a design flaw in the spartan. i was afraid it will damage something important soon.
when in 4wd it behaves ok, but never ever step on the gas or decelerate a lot or else you lose steering instantly. with a lot caution it is driveable in 4wd (dry road) but you will feel a lot of torque-steer. bouncing of driveshaft is rare, popping of spartan does appear sometimes.
off road (in 4wd) it is a game changer. very impressive, very nice. popping does appear but not so often. climbs like a mountain goat, turns like open diff.
Assemble dry ?????? Hope surfaces aren't close tolerance.
Gets lubed instantly when you dump the oil in and spin it
@@mountaincrawlers8 Best of luck, there is a possibility that the differential you are working on was machined by myself.
@@kennutley5444 yea i saw that too; immediately thought the same
excellent, I just need the test and see the results, I'm sure it's better
Look at the end of my next video and you can see we did a short test on both front and rear lockers. Will get even more footage of it on our next outing
Should you do a locker on the front or rear axle?
If you’re going with one I’d pick front first before rear. It’s better to have the vehicle trying to pull the front end up an obstacle instead of the rear end trying to push it up. Ideally you want lockers in both axles.
@@mountaincrawlers8 appreciate you getting back to me! I’m debating as I don’t do much off road driving. I remember as a kid my dad’s wagoneer getting stuck in snow and ice and I don’t want that either. At the same time I don’t know how adding front or both will effect my daily ride.
@@Deadbuck73 a lunchbox locker is definitely different driving in the snow. Just be aware of that. But on pavement in 2wd if it’s installed in the front you can’t even tell it’s there. If you install is in the rear it will click on turns but that’s normal.
@@mountaincrawlers8 what do they do in the snow?
@@Deadbuck73 just don’t act like you’d normally think. You get used to it though. Have to slow your speed way down for sharp turning or it will want to just keep going straight. If it’s something you don’t want to have to deal with then a selectable locker is the only other route. But they’re pricey.
How is driveabilty with a locker in the front?
Not really noticeable at all unless it is in 4wd. In 2wd on paved roads they drive just fine and make hardly any noise at all
Don't need to pull that center section out to install that locker. You can do it in the housing.
You have to on a dana 30.
@@mountaincrawlers8 Only if you can't get the hardened pin out, ya?
it appears that a spartan behaves different in various (same) axles for no obvious reason. sadly i took mine out after only 3 months.
You sure your spacing was correct? That was a key factor. I also have several friends running them with 0 issues.
@@mountaincrawlers8 spacing was within specs. can anyone tell what happens when gap is too wide/narrow?
@@TheHolan excessive binding and popping for sure. That’s why I asked.
@@mountaincrawlers8 popping appears when one wheel tries to go faster than the other but the spartan has positioned itself in the way that it will only block more than ratchet. then it binds more and more until it counterrotates in lightspeed to free the energy. that makes the popping (breaking) sound. i wonder about the material they use. nothing broke so far by miracle.
@@mountaincrawlers8 i tested it in various ways. in most cases it was ratcheting normal. when i changed the position of the driveshaft (by rotating it by hand) most of the times it was binding instantly. in other words: driveshaft in accel-position or decel-position = ratcheting ok. driveshaft in in-between-position = binding appears.
Haha. A guy who cant work on his own stuff. Learn man
Quince actually does most of his own work… just needed insight on how to do lockers and I was more than willing to help and was also a great opportunity for a video