About That CrossPolitic Episode | Jared Longshore
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this episode of Reformation & Revival, Pastor Jared Longshore discusses a recent dustup about baptism during his recent appearance on the podcast, "CrossPolitic."
"The rise of paganism and cultural decay all around us shows both the need for a recovery of covenant theology and unity particularly among Covenantal and Reformed Christians be they Credo[baptist] or Paedo[baptist]."
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Just because you see some effect of individualism in 2 different spots doesn’t mean you can draw a casual connection between the two spots.
Sure, but *if* credo baptism is wrong, then it necessarily has bad consequences, right?
@@IronFire116 but in effect, isn’t it the case that all Baptism is Credo? It is always according to someone’s statement of belief, be it the new adult convert who is baptised according to their confession of the faith, or of the father and mother of a child when paedobaptism is administered. Credo Baptism itself is biblical.
It is the workings out of covenantalism, headship, the Lordship of Christ over all, and perhaps the general attitude toward parenting etc etc where it seems the strain is focussed. Yet there are plenty of Reformed Baptists and Reformed Presbyterians who would agree (largely) on all those issues, which I think is what JL is now trying to say.
This was my biggest issue, it wasn't radical individualism has impacted the Church and Baptists are more susceptible, it was Baptists cause radical individualism. I think the CP guys and Jared are trying to clarify that now, not sure about Farley as I haven't really listened to him
@@archerofthereformation5966 I think you are splitting hairs a bit, and missing my intention...what I mean is, if we should be baptizing our infants, but we are not - that has consequences! The opposite is true too.
@@IronFire116 Ah I’m tracking with you. Seemed like you were taking a hard line against Credo Baptism, but I get what you mean now.
I’m not confident that failing to baptise infants leads to transgenderism - I am confident however, that failing to preach the gospel adequately to one’s children and allowing the state to raise them (public school) etc does have consequences.
It most definitely was directed at all Baptists, because it was a direct attack on Credobaptism as an institution.
He wasn’t kidding about being a Baptist until like 10 minutes ago. Still confused about the switch.
I came here seeing if there would be an apology and repentance for the misrepresentation of Baptist theology and the violation of the 9th commandment on the show in question. All I hear is doubling down and blaming me for not understanding what was meant by what was said. What was said was Credo Baptism caused the transgender movement and that Credo Baptists do not believe in Faith Alone. There is no way to misinterpret those remarks. The continual attempt to try and defend was was at best unintentional slander of your Baptist breatheran and at worst a deliberate misrepresentation of what we believe is truly sad.
“They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. “
Romans 1:25-28
This is the reason we are given in scripture.
"The need of the day is a recovery of The Covenant. The Covenant comes from God, in this sense it is transcendent, contra expressive individualism."
If a comparison he’d been made between transgenderism and say, the “name it and claim it” teaching of the prosperity preachers (and the more apostate sects of the charismatic movement) I would say it’s apt and worthy of exploration, but to compare baptist theology (which teaches that our new identity as believers is a gift from God we receive upon recognizing and renouncing our old identity (from his perspective)) to that is foolish. Mr. Farley doesn’t understand Baptist theology, and would do well to think carefully and study before he makes such bold claims, and be prepared to defend them exegetically (which he did not even attempt to do during the episode). It’s not “expressive individualism” that causes people to be offended by this, its the belittling and caricaturing of the beliefs of fellow brothers through thoughtless words.
Even comparing transgenderism to "name it and claim it" is pushing a bit beyond a credible argument. I mean, yes you can link all sin together if given a long enough chain of logic, but I think it's a stretch argument at best. Surely there are better ways to oppose heresy than "you're supporting transgenderism" as the argument!
As someone who's seen the cold, inhospitable, inauthentic, loveless, unregenerate, frozen, delusional, Gospel-less fruit of American Baptist culture for the past 12 months, all I can say is, "Amen."
I take no joy in it. I'm just relieved I am not alone.
Your comment is spot on.
Now apply "name it and claim it" to salvation and it all makes sense
@@lkae4 You used eight...count them...eight pejoratives to describe Baptists. Seems a little like schadenfreude to me. Only you forgot to put transgenderism on the list.
American baptists have even created the trans movement in Europe, Thailand, the Philippines, Australia, Canada...yeah, Farley's argument just fell apart because the trans movement is not uniquely American. Expressive individualism goes all the way back to the Fall, not American decisionist baptist theology, while I have much criticism of this theology. It's secularism, popularized by the religious thought of Marxism, that has crept into baptist theology rather than the other way around.
All of these 'clarifications' or 'qualifications' are coming across as obfuscations and the one guy who needs to be making them is so far silent. You're all running cover for him but it's pretty obvious he has disdain for baptist theology, reformed baptist theology included, because he was so brazen in his confirmation that American baptist theology was the "cause" of the trans movement; no qualifications, no clarifications, etc. which would seem to be pretty obvious to make in the moment if you're actually trying to communicate something as specific as what the rest of you are trying to say he was communicating in the moment.
Besides, the vast majority of people who are identifying as 'trans' are from broken homes in big cities, and are not from baptistic households or even another generation removed from one. One could object and say this is 'downstream' of revivalism, etc. but still, American decisionist baptist theology is asking people to make a decision in one direction: to believe in the Lord Jesus and be baptized, or remain in your sin as a hellbound sinner. It's not a "you can be whatever you want to be" theology.
Also, Jared, you should check out Carl Trueman's other book 'Republocrat' so you know you're quoting from someone who doesn't hold a full-fledged biblical belief on pretty much everything else except gay marriage and baby murder. For someone with a socialistic mindset on pretty much everything, it makes it easier to write a book criticizing individualism, even if much of what he says in the book is true.
Boy, that was the biggest nothing-burger explanation of why Farley said what he said. Personally, I think Farley was looking for a lets-trash-the-Baptists-again moment in order to raise his "profile" with the lads. Speaking of which, why is there such a frat house vibe to CrossPolitic?
Farley is unsound, constantly promoting speculative novel theology that sounds very intellectual, and Chocolate Knox, my favorite of the CP crew, totally fawns over it. Farley's bizarre project on Loor is what caused me to hop off of the Loor train entirely, despite being good, in-person friends with one of the men behind it.
I’m really surprised by the response from the crosspolitic guys on this one. You won’t even repeat what was said because it’s such an absurd statement, but instead of humility and repentance, you decide to dance around the topic and attempt to justify your ridiculous stance, that as far as I knew was that of the radical individual Farley, but given your refusal to denounce what’s self evidently false you have taken defense of the claim, the same claim you won’t even dare to make mention of.
I wasn’t offended when I heard it initially because I figure you guys say silly things just for fun all the time, but your response to the whole ordeal has really made me question the spiritual maturity of a program that seems unwilling under any circumstance to humble themselves when they make a mistake. You guys always talk about being godly men, well owning up to your mistakes is part of being a man, not playing Hegelian games with words.
I love your videos and I love most of your strong points.
However, this specific CrossPolitic episode linking credo baptism to transgenderism was stupid, unbiblical, irrational, and it contained an indefensible chain of countless logical fallacies.
It was indefensible and you should have shot it down on the spot. Missing that opportunity, you should repent and shoot it down publicly as a show of your repentance.
Of course, everybody has stoopid, yes, stooopid, ideas. However, when the stupidity arises to this level of magnitude, repentance and “What was I thinking???” responses are in order.
If you want to talk individualism, make a coherent case separate from credo baptism, which has a solid biblical foundation. The CrossPolitic logic was beyond stupid and into the sinful realm.
It doesn't seem true that baptism being a sign of faith from men AND a sign from God are mutually exclusive. In fact, from a relational standpoint, that is what makes perfect sense. It is the same with circumcision, isn't it?
Individualism has been over-emphasized in western culture, true, but to use that as a basis for criticism of Baptist theology seems misguided.
How disappointing. Instead of saying, "I do not think Baptist theology is the cause of the transgender movement" you choose to borrow a page from a CRT-style worldview. "If you're uncomfortable talking about individualism it's only because you're infected with it."
The harder you try to clarify, the more you end up owning his statement that Baptist theology "is the cause" of the transgender movement.
Is it expressive individualism when you choose one tie over another?
The comment was dumb and unwarranted. It is just as bad as Thabiti Anyawbile saying every white man's father and grandfather is responsible for MLK Jr's death.
That’s a lot of words that could’ve been shortened to the following: I was wrong.
Agreed. It’s sad man, I really thought they could do that but it appears they can’t.
imo, a former reformed baptist who doesn't understand or purposefully misrepresents credobaptism should stay away from the mic.
@jaredlongshore
If you could recommend one book for a Baptist interested on Presbyterian Covenant Theology what would it be?
I'm one Reformed Baptist attending a Southern Baptist Church I love (albeit I see many areas needing reformation) who saw exactly what Jared was saying as soon as he said it. It's actually really not that hard of a thing to connect.
The comment was just stupid. Admit it, repent and move on. Interesting that a doctrinal dissertation has to be disseminated in order to justify it and/or analyze it. Simply admitting it was wrong is so hard. The Pharisees were the "Reformed" Jews. 613 laws in order to be a faithful Jew. Or how about just two, according to the Law. Love Yahweh and Love Neighbor. One other comment, Remember the Jews were God's covenant people too. They had disdain for anyone different. Their confidence in the reality that they were God's chosen people led to arrogance, not humility. 1 Corinthians 4:7a "For who makes you so superior? What do you have that you didn’t receive?...."
This whole thing has a stink on it, and it feels like a real lack of repentance or even acknowledgement of damage caused. Blaming “us Christians”, but really more like “you other Christians” for the trials of our culture. It’s got some stank.
We call this a main course of circling the wagons with a side of category casserole. Not a good look fellas. What Farley said then, and what you are attempting to say now showcases a chasm as wide as the space that currently resides between the two halves of the Titanic.
Great word, Jared. Keep up the stout & substantial work/writing. We're here for it! -Reformed Bapt. Pastor in SBC.
The jovial demeanor and laughing during the CP program when the topic discussed and the accusations being forward were in fact dead serious and nothing to laugh about. This while all the participants argued point after point in complete absences of any Biblical foundation. Even if the accusations are true, to argue from man's wisdom or reasoning or logic falls far short. The measuring stick, the standard, is God's Word. On the CP program that identified Baptist Theology as the cause of the transgender movement, not one participant ever cracked open a Bible. And quoting Carl Truman in this video does not help nor make one's case. Citing the LBC or the WCF though may be accurate in their wording, none of these quotes have any authority. What is the "cause" for the perversion playing out before us? Open your Bible to: Psalms 10:4, 56:5; Proverbs 12:5 and Matthew 15:19 (a small sample). Have the gentlemen of CP forgotten the "T"? Hint: TULIP. Exactly, how then is Baptist Theology culpable? Then to assert, those who strongly disagree and insist on clear Biblical exegesis regarding Farley's statement, somehow validate his accusation (3:33), reveals a blind-spot all the CP participants have. Then at the end of this video, we are provided a parting shot, just untwist your "nickers." Deflecting never helps make your case.
Worth the time to read Tom Ascol Founder's Ministries response to CP. "The Stink Brought to Us by CrossPolitic" Post may be found here: founders.org/2022/08/24/the-stink-brought-to-us-by-crosspolitic/
Thanks for the link. Ascol's response was dead on.
Agreed. Ascol’s article was well put.
I’m still shocked 😳 you’re in Idaho
Amen and amen.
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Another great Podcast Jared upholding biblical truths. Keep up the good work.
I think a lot of what Jason said would be better recieved with the context of the Choc Knox Unplugged Podcast.
Facts. I totally got what he was saying/driving at, and simultaneously knew that there was NO WAY Baptists were going to get it. Should have kept it in house IMHO
@@nathanielkeane8462 Jason is such a nice guy too lol.
@@kreendurron he didn't come off as one...came off as snarky and arrogant when he reaffirmed in an "in your face" type of way that he said it was the "cause" of without any kind of clarification...maybe because he didn't think any kind of clarifications and qualifications were necessary. I'd like him to explain why more people are identifying as trans all over the world if this is uniquely an American baptist causality. Everyone else on crosspolitic is trying to speak for Jason on what he said, but yet where's Jason?
@@nathanielkeane8462 If what you think Jason was trying to communicate is what he was trying to communicate, it's not that hard to understand. The King's Hall guys covered Finneyism, decisionsim, etc. very well and they're Presbyterians. I think what Jason said is what he was trying to communicate. As much as I oppose Arminian influenced, decisionist theology, it's still not the source of the trans movement.
@@JR-rs5qs it may not be the source of what caused transgenderism. The problem of course, is that it borrows from the same psychologizing of the self that is required of the trans movement. And that in itself, requires a kind of autonomy that isn’t biblical. I can admit that, and I’m reformed baptist. This seems to miss the point made by Charles Taylor and the social imaginary. Which Truman mentioned in rise and triumph. Again, the problem is that the secularism of the day has made it in to the church, and no Protestant denomination is free from that. Jared and his Presbyterian friends should do well to note that. If they don’t, then the PCUSA may cast an unfortunately long shadow. This was definitely nothing less than a punch at baptists, and I’m not convinced that this was “exclusive” to “those Arminians” either.
Blessings to Longshore and canon press.
Why did he abandon Biblical Christianity to go join the baby sprinklers?
Longshore is correct, as well as that guest on CrossPolitic. Baptism has been degraded.
Nice summary.
Transgenderism is a subset, what about Atheism? E.G. The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine
Since this whole thing created “buzz” online….was it planned? Let’s hope not. Let the truth speak and leave this click bait stuff alone.
You guys are getting worse
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Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Man should only seek to build on the rock, the shifting sands of progressivism are no foundation for even their circular reasoning....
It is hard not to mix church and state when it is that very state that gives you the freedom to worship as you choose, the above will soon become a thing of the past.
@@RayrifiedAire No, it is G-D that gives you the freedom to worship. Don't worry about the chaw in his lip. Hear the words he is speaking or change the channel. What goes into your lips? Actually, it's what comes out that we'd better be watching! Shalom .
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