The SCIENCE of Mixing Perfect Kick and Bass

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  • @ancestralvision
    @ancestralvision 3 месяца назад +76

    Spoiler: this video delivers exactly what the title teased on. Well done, super interesting and helpful!

    • @audionerdlilcuz
      @audionerdlilcuz 3 месяца назад

      Except he stole it from another RUclipsr 😂. How haven't you all figured out he's full of poop 💩 yet?

  • @alkali6
    @alkali6 3 месяца назад +58

    The best thing practical thing I discovered from this video is the piano roll at the bottom of pro q-3!

    • @ssmbl
      @ssmbl 3 месяца назад +7

      wtf i never noticed that until yet

    • @VVIDbeats
      @VVIDbeats 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@ssmblwowww same

    • @Blackain66
      @Blackain66 2 месяца назад +2

      the video is practically an advertisement for their website and the examples are pretty much useless for any electronic producers, sad

    • @Baller-qe8sq
      @Baller-qe8sq 2 месяца назад

      This doesn’t really teach 808s tho lookup alexmadeit thank me later

    • @GeorgeAmodei21
      @GeorgeAmodei21 Месяц назад

      The Keys are not always shown… you have to turn that “ON” in Pro Q3

  • @RemstageMusic
    @RemstageMusic Месяц назад +4

    The more i learn the less i feel i know...

  • @whitedovemusic2227
    @whitedovemusic2227 3 месяца назад +1

    Another awesome smudging out the "negative frequencies" tutorial! Thank you so much Sage Audio 👑 Definetely gonna join as soon as possible for me!

  • @Reggi_Sample
    @Reggi_Sample 2 месяца назад

    This video is a winner. You put in a lot of work I hope it continues to grow exponentially 🎉

  • @DJONTHETRACK985
    @DJONTHETRACK985 3 месяца назад +10

    Always coming with game changing info 👍

  • @dravokivich
    @dravokivich 3 месяца назад +1

    Really good video to demonstrate the need to watch phase across different types of instruments.

  • @joelarmendariz8876
    @joelarmendariz8876 3 месяца назад

    Awesome insight very helpful and will be utilizing these ideas, kudos!!!

  • @11dremoss
    @11dremoss 3 месяца назад +1

    you give some of the best and clearest explanations. thank you sir. and btw guys the course is 🔥

  • @panorama_mastering
    @panorama_mastering 3 месяца назад +28

    Great work expanding on those notes! Keep it up!

  • @mielushe2lheureux939
    @mielushe2lheureux939 3 месяца назад +1

    Great teaching as always.
    I was expecting you to mention side chain just like another useful technique to set separation between kick and bass.
    Thank you for these precious insights!

    • @RUPRO1111
      @RUPRO1111 2 месяца назад

      Side chain is old!! 😢

  • @laurencestoker7315
    @laurencestoker7315 3 месяца назад

    Thank you Sage

  • @migibeats104
    @migibeats104 3 месяца назад

    Wonderful info. Thanks.

  • @Platinum_XYZ
    @Platinum_XYZ 2 месяца назад +4

    1:30 I definitely think this is an over simplification. we can definitely perceive differences in pitches less than 6%. microtonal music and even just pitch bends wouldn't exist if this was the case

  • @nubia7418
    @nubia7418 3 месяца назад +23

    This channel has made such a better audio engineer. Thank you & I appreciate u.

  • @parisshanegreer6837
    @parisshanegreer6837 Месяц назад

    Yeah man. Good Job

  • @jamesowen3497
    @jamesowen3497 3 месяца назад

    Great video! Thanks.

  • @Pax30001
    @Pax30001 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn
    @Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn 3 месяца назад +1

    Fresh Air on bass and kick! I would have never tried it, I'll see if it's better than Le Petite Excite on them. Thanks.

  • @mihail-bogdanyanov
    @mihail-bogdanyanov 3 месяца назад

    Thank you, you are awesome!

  • @nueisavoid
    @nueisavoid 3 месяца назад +1

    Right when i bought new monitors to up task my mixing. Perfect

  • @realme6426
    @realme6426 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @PilzE.
    @PilzE. 3 месяца назад +1

    Utter GENIUS! So well explained, which tools to use, when and, for what. Thank you SO very much!
    Hey, you guys should think about taking this up full-time, like starting an academy or something, I think you “might” be onto something here! 🤔 🤭

  • @sidanx7887
    @sidanx7887 Месяц назад

    Ok this was awesome

  • @MikeRendar84
    @MikeRendar84 2 месяца назад

    Great knowledge here! I've always been kinda "scared" of removing a portion of the bass like that, but should i be?? It obviously gets the job done without taking away so much from the bass that it makes the bass sound weak.

  • @SeabornProductions
    @SeabornProductions 3 месяца назад +1

    What are, if any, benefits of high pass filter on kick and bass verses just a shelf to achieve both more head room and take away unwanted/ muddy low end frequencies

  • @mrcristinistor
    @mrcristinistor 3 месяца назад +3

    Guys, I am really considering joining your membership but, please, tell me. Are there private courses, person on person or it is just about having access to some courses that you read alone, you try to apply alone, etc. alone? Is all communication with the teachers done via texting? Because even when listening to your YT videos I have hundreds of questions and there is no one there to answer them for me. In rest, great stuff, thank you for everything.

  • @ExileLBL
    @ExileLBL 2 месяца назад

    mg ure genius :). Love your videos.

  • @ishanroj
    @ishanroj 13 дней назад

    This is amazing! Thank you for this! Brilliantly explained. I do have a query, though. Kick is going to have a static and fixed fundamental frequency. But if the bass is playing the groove, and it's fundamental keeps changing, doest the same thing apply? As in, if my kick is on E1 which happens to be 41.2 Hz and if the bass hits Eb1 pretty often in the song, which is roughly 38.9 Hz, how is it supposed be processed?

    • @sageaudio
      @sageaudio  12 дней назад

      Great question! That comes down to composition. In that instance, it's best to find ways to widen the range of frequencies between the kick and bass - so maybe Eb2 is a better option than Eb1. Otherwise, separating the 2 instruments with processing is incredibly difficult since they're so close in frequency.

  • @russenduf
    @russenduf 3 месяца назад

    One of the best videos why beating f@cks up your low end.....I always shouting at percussion players to tune their instr correc tly!!Also a phase plugin like the SSL helps the low end between kick and bass!!

  • @emiel333
    @emiel333 3 месяца назад

    Great 👍 video.

  • @jacopobracaloni3121
    @jacopobracaloni3121 2 месяца назад

    I've always thought that kick should have the same kick as the bass. And then I usually use frequency sidechaining to have a more precise frequency handling

  • @parisshanegreer6837
    @parisshanegreer6837 Месяц назад

    Thoughts on sympathetic vibration?

  • @Florian-cy6pm
    @Florian-cy6pm 3 месяца назад

    Question: I recently saw another yt tutorial where somebody said, when mixing a sub, in order to make it audible on phone speakers, you just add a second sine wave oscillator which is only playing the third overtone of the fundamental (the fifth). Then you adjust the phase of both oscillators so you get maximum loudness while having minimum voltage basically. And after having tried it out, it does sound pretty good (if you don’t have a texture bass on top). But why do these two signals don‘t cancel each other out then? Is it because it’s an overtone or because the fifth is a large enough interval?

    • @AutPen38
      @AutPen38 2 месяца назад +1

      I don't use that technique, but the relationship between two notes a fifth apart (seven semitones) is fundamental to music. Not only are they roughly half an octave apart (so they are clearly discernible as different notes), the ratio between the frequencies is exactly 3:2, which means any phase cancellation or beating is regular and harmonious. It's why all major and minor chords sound "good" (they contain the tonic and the fifth) and why many genres use "power chords" (just the tonic and fifth). Other intervals can be discordant because the ratio of the frequencies isn't a simple ratio like 2:1 (octave), 3:2 (perfect fifth), 4:3 (perfect fourth), but something like 1.0663728:1 or another number with random infinite digits.

  • @davehannah9894
    @davehannah9894 26 дней назад

    Where would you place the exciter on your chain

  • @akaldeepsingh9029
    @akaldeepsingh9029 2 месяца назад

    I have a song in G major.
    And as of now i thought we sre supposed to keep everything in the same key. But what should I do in this case change key of kick or bass/ and how many semitones up or down!!

  • @juschu85
    @juschu85 Месяц назад

    1:26 Of course, 1.06 is the rounded ratio (which is fine). The exact ratio is 1.05946309.
    I mean, there's an uppercase "SCIENCE" in the video title. So let's do some math 😄
    If you multiply a frequency 12 times with the ratio r, you would get double the frequency. It has to be like that because you would go up 12 semitones, which is an octave by definition, which is double the frequency by definition. So one octave above 440Hz is 880Hz.
    440 • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r = 880
    440 • r^12 = 880
    1 • r^12 = 2
    r^12 = 2
    r = 12√2
    r = 1.05946309

  • @impolitikful
    @impolitikful 3 месяца назад

    Always thought you SHOULD tune the kick to the key

  • @ArtisolGG
    @ArtisolGG 2 месяца назад

    90 seconds of watching, subbed

  • @waltamusic
    @waltamusic 3 месяца назад +1

    So i should consider using different fundamentals in kick and bass so that they not cancel eachother out? I am always using the same key in kick and bass.

    • @russenduf
      @russenduf 3 месяца назад

      If they are in tune you ll not have problems

    • @twitchyboneselectronica2375
      @twitchyboneselectronica2375 3 месяца назад +2

      But…..if they’re in tune and out of phase at all, you’ll have big problems.

  • @thomasrodriguez8797
    @thomasrodriguez8797 2 месяца назад

    3:01 just heads up that some people are watching on systems that can’t pick up 41hz. I know what phase cancellation, and the wobble that comes with it but not everyone does. Just fyi

  • @darkindustry
    @darkindustry 3 месяца назад +1

    Speaking of overtones (at around 4:25), personal opinion: Making a perfect 2-octave overtone could sound like an ideal solution... but does it? Fine, the kick's freq is E1, let's make that E3 the first heard overtone! A learner would say "hell yeah, that's it". Before we jump into conclusions, look at the guitar market where the demand for (deviant) tube amps is greatly higher than the need for (perfect) solid-state amps. The sound of tubes is simply warmer, more appealing, preferable. If we reed the overtone spectrum of solid states, it lifts up 1st, 3rd and 5th overtone (all perfect octaves). On the other end, tubes engage all deviant overtones of 2nd, 4th and 6th (those would be 5th, major 3rd, minor 7th). These are all much 'denser' intervals compared to perfect octaves that cohere in subtle dissonances. But we seem to find these 'deviant' sounds much more appealing than the sterile solid-state sound. So, be careful with math in music. Trust your ears!

    • @ride5000
      @ride5000 2 месяца назад

      even harmonics are octaves, not odd

    • @AutPen38
      @AutPen38 2 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, in the harmonic series, the fundamental is considered to be the first harmonic. The second (an even number) is one octave above (double the frequency) and the third (an odd number) is not the same note as the fundamental. Some people like odd harmonics, others prefer even harmonics. A lot depends on taste and context.

  • @Janomix
    @Janomix 2 месяца назад

    mmm, David Guetta and Tiesto make these equations to get they powerful squashed master??? 😁😁 Thanks for the info!

  • @djcolinturnbull
    @djcolinturnbull Месяц назад

    The other science is to match a kick to your bass in production, try different kicks and have less need for processing. 😀

  • @JuhoSprite
    @JuhoSprite 3 месяца назад

    Googles homepage recommended me this video lol

  • @CptJack
    @CptJack 3 месяца назад +6

    ever heard of sidechain?

    • @3082frank
      @3082frank 2 месяца назад +1

      Those were my same thoughts 😅.

  • @Six2Nine
    @Six2Nine 3 месяца назад

    WIZ AT WORK!

  • @selahbeatsandtracks4932
    @selahbeatsandtracks4932 3 месяца назад

    How could i identify kick fundamentals? I use different kick samles

    • @tundesmart
      @tundesmart 3 месяца назад +1

      If you layer your kicks, then you might have to select the dominant kick as the fundamental frequency. By using a spectrum analyzer graph in fabfilter pro-Q3, you will find your fundamental frequency being equivalent to the highest amplitude in your frequency spectrum.

    • @niccko
      @niccko 3 месяца назад

      Use SPAN.

    • @whnzmmr
      @whnzmmr 3 месяца назад +2

      Use SPAN and change the mode from default to high resolution to have more visual details

    • @AutPen38
      @AutPen38 2 месяца назад +1

      Use any good spectrum analyser and just visually look for the loudest peak while you loop the sample. What you'll probably notice is that kicks don't have a fixed fundamental frequency, because the pitch sweeps from one frequency to another (which is why kicks sound like kicks, not bass guitars) whereas sustained instruments stay on the same frequency. The rapidly changing pitch of drum sounds is what makes it very hard to get them to gel with bass sounds, since the changing pitch means there will always be moments where the kick is out of phase. You just have to pick or tune your kicks so that they are in phase more often than not.

  • @gughffhhghgghghgg1690
    @gughffhhghgghghgg1690 3 месяца назад +1

    Nice but what about manually fixing the phase problems,also,you wouldnt be putting the bass an octave up just to fix the phase..and also what is the fundamental of a kick really?a kick that starts from f6 slopes on b3 and ends up on g1 for example

    • @BoggleJoogs9
      @BoggleJoogs9 3 месяца назад

      Noob here. What do you mean by manually fixing the phase, reversing polarity?

    • @gughffhhghgghghgg1690
      @gughffhhghgghghgg1690 3 месяца назад +1

      @@BoggleJoogs9 no,i dont mean that,i mean using a scope to see the phases and manually editing them by delaying them or from their source or with plugins..its a quite common practice

    • @aggjohnson8488
      @aggjohnson8488 3 месяца назад

      Yeah I was about to say, wasn't expecting this approach as phase is very technical and these tips are very different. Nonetheless, I think they're still really useful! Great info as always from Sage Audio

    • @russenduf
      @russenduf 3 месяца назад

      Ssl phase is great for this

    • @BoggleJoogs9
      @BoggleJoogs9 3 месяца назад

      @@gughffhhghgghghgg1690 Got ya. Thanks for explaining

  • @Mop154
    @Mop154 3 месяца назад

    Is this vanoss?

  • @kot_sova
    @kot_sova 2 месяца назад

    👍👍👍Мне нужно это только на русском

    • @prodrichyoungin
      @prodrichyoungin Месяц назад

      учи английский

    • @yuradziadzichkin1251
      @yuradziadzichkin1251 Месяц назад

      Канал Владимир Трофимов перевёл

    • @kot_sova
      @kot_sova Месяц назад

      @@yuradziadzichkin1251 спасибо

  • @Barncore
    @Barncore 3 месяца назад +1

    Lol you ripped Nick de Lorenzo's video idea

    • @1kingstan795
      @1kingstan795 3 месяца назад

      What's the video did he make 1

    • @Barncore
      @Barncore 3 месяца назад

      The same video title but 1-2 weeks earlier, channel is called Panorama Mixing & Mastering @@1kingstan795

  • @BlowChoke904
    @BlowChoke904 3 месяца назад

    Ok, and I'm waiting for Baby Brain's audio engineer to f**ked up this well-explained kick & bass tutorial here in the comments.😅😅

  • @rafriley6993
    @rafriley6993 3 месяца назад +2

    Hmm … no credit to panorama?

  • @prodbyskogs4435
    @prodbyskogs4435 2 месяца назад

    Music is art, not science

    • @Knucklesmd
      @Knucklesmd 2 месяца назад +6

      You clearly know nothing about mixing.

    • @prodbyskogs4435
      @prodbyskogs4435 2 месяца назад

      @@Knucklesmd You think mixing is science? Do you set up an equation when you work? Scribble down all the frequencies in a planck curve?

    • @megalodon6692
      @megalodon6692 2 месяца назад +4

      Science and art can overlap and co-exist :)

    • @mdptg1990
      @mdptg1990 2 месяца назад +7

      Creating music is art, mixing/engineering is a mix of art and science

    • @JJJBoys
      @JJJBoys 2 месяца назад +2

      all popular music would not be listenable without engineering. gotta have both.

  • @d.m.ebeats9013
    @d.m.ebeats9013 3 месяца назад

    Another amazing way to perfectly mix low end is to learn how the frequencies sum up in volume,then Use a Ducker plugin to duck some frequencies something I learnt from Baphometrix clip to zero strategy

  • @tylergameplayroom
    @tylergameplayroom 3 месяца назад

    Thank's

  • @christianbettinelli5004
    @christianbettinelli5004 Месяц назад

    The thing is for what?