Honestly, I'm very much over high boost past 10k in vocals. It just doesn't sound natural to me and gets in the way of my high strings, symbols, shakers. One thing that really woke me up and improvement my mixes was hearing Jack Joseph Puig talking about the importance of the mid-range, and he specifically said for 600hz-4khz, because that's where the true heart and cry of a lot of instruments are. I also took Mix With The Masters and saw Chris Lord Alge do a lot of 2k and 4k boosts. Only 1db-3db, but they make a big difference. I usually do these kind of moves and little clearing up with low mids going into my compressors. Then after the compressors, I do like putting on a little saturation, but I usually end the chain with another Pro EQ 3. I don't boost or cut, but will put dynamic EQ bells between around 2k-7k, just to keep control of those harsh frequencies, incase they get too abrasive. I also often put another dynamic EQ bell between 200-500 just to control any mud. But I set the range on the dynamic EQ's to a maximum of 1.5db - that's all I need. Hope this helps some people. I find mixing vocals so so so much easy now with this mind set. I just don't boost above 10k on vocals any more, unless they recorded on a really awful mic! And obviously, there are exceptions. If the singer naturally has a lot of harsh 4k, it better to leave it or cut a few db. Trust your ears.
This has already helped me immensely in mixing some of my songs. I had too much 200 Hz too often. It's because I like that frequency quite a bit, so I choose backing tracks and record my music with a similarly "low heavy" sound. Especially with my Schecter 7 string tuned to drop A. With your help, I was able to just slightly tweak the 200 region down for a few tracks. I also dropped the mix for about 80 Hz on a few tracks. They were stacking at those frequencies on spikes. Not all the time, just in certain areas. By adjusting the eq for those regions, I was able to keep the overall track volume similar, but reduce the impact of a frequency spike. Some RUclips videos have clickbait titles. Your video is not one of them. I now hear things differently, and I'm just getting started with your method here. I have a feeling there is a lot I can learn about this. Thank you so much for the education! You have a new fan! Stay awesome.
Your whistle technique is gonna become a standard for teaching how to work that area.. well, whatever the users whistle range is. You mentioned it in a previous video & I've been using it while running live sound & its been an absolute game changer. Both for source resonances & feedback.
My grandfather would come home after a live opera or orchestral concert excited about what he had heard and later might buy a recording of same, either recorded in studio by other musicians or, sometimes, a live recording of the concert he had attended or of another live concert and listen to them on his 78 rpm disc and be just as excited and enjoyed listening to those thin and often scratchy sounds. In other words, excellent compositions survive.
I think associating frequencies with sounds one can easily make with their own body is a good method. For instance, thumping on my chest with my fist produces subs, and various types of clapping my hands, and snapping my fingers produce pretty consistent frequencies.
My rooster from being an audio file and selling Hi-Fi from the early '70s to the early '80s. And then at the turn of the century learning the base and vocals and being in a lot of bands. And now here I am at age 70 telling the lady at the hearing aid place that my hearing aids have a peek at about 800 Hertz. And she does a test, and it is pretty close to that. You get a feel for it after a while.
I learned to pinpoint frequencies by ear decades ago but now as I‘m growing older it shifts. What used to sound like 8k now is really 5k. That sucks big time.
This is just like what musicians do with intervals. We relate intervals with different vibes or actual tunes. Like a 5th is Star Wars. Octave is somewhere over the rainbow. That kind of thing. Then you get used to them and feel them intuitively instead.
I like your Frequency Association idea. I think I have done similar exercises over the years. Have you made any videos specifically about mixing a full orchestra?
Just went downstairs and turned 4K all the way down on my mother's phone so now the Christmas movies do not bite the ceiling anymore. Thanks 4KMillion!!!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😅
First life forms were of molecular size and might have been interacting with molecule size elements around them. For example sensing air molecules hitting them or photons causing some damage. These sensing behavior later developed into larger systems and systematic sensations.. Just my thought
loved this demonstration, a little ask however. could you please write in the freq ranges in the chapter markers, i think it could be a huge help for viewers while watching. either way great vid!
Wow, what an incredible and unique video, thanks for taking the time to put it all together and share your knowledge, top man! Subbed straight away.....well done! 😃
Stopped by to give a like and i cant really listen to the video was driving home and the low end cant register with phone speakers LOL but will watch again when i do get to the home studio that has by far better speakers but keep up the great video work! And i hope everyone is doing well too! And keep being rocking awesome everyone! 🙏🎶🤟😎👍🎸🎵😀
@@audioedges yha I didn't realized the whistling frequency area we can do with our mouths its such a relatively small range, then it suddenly makes it really realistic just by practicing to nail resonances in 1k steps there without perfect pitch or anything. Its just a practical thing like this. Pretty huge actually. Ill try to learn this and spread your word, really, thanks (: Becoming the human soothe2 :D
nice video man, love how you emphasize, for sure for the presence to high range, that it's all to it's context and situation, this is very valuable info for those starting with the music production process, lots of tuto's on youtube that only say presence to high range fequencies and resonances bad and you need to cut all of them
IMO That`s an easy skill to acquire, althought real the mastering can be missleading because of the dynamic elements one has in the track, which may make u think like u need to boost 3k, when u need to lessen the peak at 6k for example
Wow nice, this is really helpful to understand how the frequencys Sounds like. When I recorded clarinet, I had a lot oft Air in the tone and lower from 3k everything down, the Noise was away. But I am a Little Bit afraid, that I cut the overtones of the clarinet away.
7:49 - "This is what I like to describe as Honky-ness"? Me: Wait...what? 7:56 - "You're gonna hear it as kind of a honking sound." Me: Ohhhh, HonkING-ness. 😂😂
Just off the top of my head, a lawn mower in my mind has a similar fundamental as a muffled club, so I'd assume it's woofy at 200hz -300hz, I noticed I don't hear bass in my headphones so well when I am mowing my lawn too.
Thanks, you have just ruined listening to music for me! 🤣 Seriously though, I wish I had these tips when I used to set up PAs and sound out rooms. Great video 👍
Nice job awesome video I think your breathy area is described better with sizzle and associate it with like a stick of dynamite wick being lit . Or bacon in a frying pan Most people doing videos drive me nuts because they say um, constantly, dude I don't think you said it once. I love the pro Q3 although I bought the Kirchoff last year thats pretty nice too I think it's a little more musical than the fab filter. The fab filter multiband compressor is on every one of my Vocal submixes. 99% of the time, I only record vocals and send them off. Another good descriptive word for the upper midrange is harch. Is subscribed and liked
I think of 300hz as talking to an empty plastic can of sour milk. 900hz is the plasticky tone of a vocal I had in a song in 1999 and battled with the EQ to make it less plasticky and piercing in the mix. 4khz is a bicycle bell ringing dinggggggg for me, and the protruding tone is easy to flag somewhere in that area and then think is it lower or higher in tone to get to more exact area. 😅
Also Manley Ref C has a really strong 3.3-3.4khz which has made it easier to spot in other sounds when softening the vocals recorded with RefC. They bite through a mix really well though.
Any serious 'mixer' should get a hearing test to determine how they perceive sound. For example, many people these days have various degrees of high frequency loss which would/should have to be factored into their mixing. Of course it may be that so many mixing engineers have these deficits that it has become the 'norm' commercially.
Alex have you or know a way to work on your mixes when you have bad Tinnitus ringing in the ears, like the test of the emergency broadcast system on top of finger nails scrapping down a blackboard 24/7?
Well let's get it straight realistically and unequivocally, humans can NOT hear 20Hz, but feel it. Also the Avg healthy human can hear between 12Kz - 15Kz. That said, there May be few exceptions so training the ears is a very important aspect, in my opinion, to thoroughly enjoying music. So take notes.
Are there strategies for older folks who want to mix their recordings who have hearing loss above 10-15k? I heard some but know I hear less than my kids.
Good question - there's an important difference. Sweeping around is like looking for a problem vs. being able to hear it first before looking for it. When you can identify the problem frequencies by ear first, it helps you avoid cutting too much or taking out something that isn't a problem (when you convinced yourself it was by sweeping). Alternatively, if what you mean is sweeping to zoom in on an area after hearing it first as a problem, then yeah, that's totally fine. This video is the ear training part.
@@audioedges fair enough, the ear is always the final judge and we know from experience where the "problem areas" are. I'm not saying there is no value in what you have to offer to newbees. Ear training is probably one of the most ignored skills in mixing cause it's not the shinny thing to get focus like all the latest plug-ins and gear.
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I doubt that electric guitar you played was anywhere near 20 Hz.
This is stupid to listen to on my phone!
Bye. Not listenin' to the rest.
Started as Click Bait. Ended as Master Class
20hz is what i like to call waiting in line outside the concert to get in
Among all my teachers and classes, no one gave us this example of how boxiness or muddiness sounds. This is EXCELLENT
Glad to hear that! Thanks!
Honestly, I'm very much over high boost past 10k in vocals. It just doesn't sound natural to me and gets in the way of my high strings, symbols, shakers. One thing that really woke me up and improvement my mixes was hearing Jack Joseph Puig talking about the importance of the mid-range, and he specifically said for 600hz-4khz, because that's where the true heart and cry of a lot of instruments are. I also took Mix With The Masters and saw Chris Lord Alge do a lot of 2k and 4k boosts. Only 1db-3db, but they make a big difference. I usually do these kind of moves and little clearing up with low mids going into my compressors. Then after the compressors, I do like putting on a little saturation, but I usually end the chain with another Pro EQ 3. I don't boost or cut, but will put dynamic EQ bells between around 2k-7k, just to keep control of those harsh frequencies, incase they get too abrasive. I also often put another dynamic EQ bell between 200-500 just to control any mud. But I set the range on the dynamic EQ's to a maximum of 1.5db - that's all I need. Hope this helps some people. I find mixing vocals so so so much easy now with this mind set. I just don't boost above 10k on vocals any more, unless they recorded on a really awful mic! And obviously, there are exceptions. If the singer naturally has a lot of harsh 4k, it better to leave it or cut a few db. Trust your ears.
Great advice! The magic is in the midrange…
Absolutely incredible tutorial man. Love the comparison to the thunderstorm, really puts things into perspective. Also nice song choice 👀
@@LukeProvMusic Appreciate you man! Everyone should check out your music!!
This has already helped me immensely in mixing some of my songs. I had too much 200 Hz too often. It's because I like that frequency quite a bit, so I choose backing tracks and record my music with a similarly "low heavy" sound. Especially with my Schecter 7 string tuned to drop A. With your help, I was able to just slightly tweak the 200 region down for a few tracks. I also dropped the mix for about 80 Hz on a few tracks. They were stacking at those frequencies on spikes. Not all the time, just in certain areas. By adjusting the eq for those regions, I was able to keep the overall track volume similar, but reduce the impact of a frequency spike. Some RUclips videos have clickbait titles. Your video is not one of them. I now hear things differently, and I'm just getting started with your method here. I have a feeling there is a lot I can learn about this. Thank you so much for the education! You have a new fan! Stay awesome.
Your whistle technique is gonna become a standard for teaching how to work that area.. well, whatever the users whistle range is. You mentioned it in a previous video & I've been using it while running live sound & its been an absolute game changer. Both for source resonances & feedback.
Thank you! That's awesome to hear it's working so well for you too! Appreciate your comment! :)
My grandfather would come home after a live opera or orchestral concert excited about what he had heard and later might buy a recording of same, either recorded in studio by other musicians or, sometimes, a live recording of the concert he had attended or of another live concert and listen to them on his 78 rpm disc and be just as excited and enjoyed listening to those thin and often scratchy sounds. In other words, excellent compositions survive.
22:50 I did hear a cymbal above 10kHz mostly with my left ear with my hearing aids on. I have a hearing disability since I was born.
Alex! How am I just discovering this channel now! Great video! I will be watching many more. Keep it up. 🤘
Thanks so much man! Appreciate it!
First tutorial I've seen in ages that is actually useful. Just a great way to listen to sound and identity. Kudos on the presentation as well!
Thank you! Appreciate this!
When you do a lot of messing around with third octave graphic equalizers as well as parametric equalizers you get a feel for all this stuff.
Thanks dude! The whistling trick is priceless.. I feel like that tip alone can move mountains
Thanks! So glad it’s working for everyone! I’d been doing it instinctually for years and realized I should share it! Appreciate that.
I think associating frequencies with sounds one can easily make with their own body is a good method. For instance, thumping on my chest with my fist produces subs, and various types of clapping my hands, and snapping my fingers produce pretty consistent frequencies.
Saved for when I can use my earphones. Cheers.
Awesome, see you soon then! :)
My rooster from being an audio file and selling Hi-Fi from the early '70s to the early '80s. And then at the turn of the century learning the base and vocals and being in a lot of bands. And now here I am at age 70 telling the lady at the hearing aid place that my hearing aids have a peek at about 800 Hertz. And she does a test, and it is pretty close to that. You get a feel for it after a while.
I learned to pinpoint frequencies by ear decades ago but now as I‘m growing older it shifts. What used to sound like 8k now is really 5k. That sucks big time.
This happens to people with Perfect Pitch… somewhere around 55yrs old, their hearing detunes by about one semitone
@ I know and it drives them nuts. But I‘m not sure if this is the same issue.
Excellent tutorial! Now to record the dog’s bark and learn what frequency it is that feels like a knife stabbing me in the ear.
I saw your original video discussing frequencies, but it was just as interesting (and useful) this time round. Great job, thank you.
Thanks very much! Glad it's helpful!
Highly recommend this video 💯
This video has the best explanations for Frequencies I've seen!. Thank you!!!
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful :)
This is a good video for engineers and creative enthusiasts of all ages and levels of experience. I wish this was around when I was starting out!
Thank you!!
This is just like what musicians do with intervals. We relate intervals with different vibes or actual tunes. Like a 5th is Star Wars. Octave is somewhere over the rainbow. That kind of thing. Then you get used to them and feel them intuitively instead.
Cool way to think of it! Yeah, exactly - just association for frequency ranges this time!
My Bonnie is a 6th
This is the most useful listening tutorial on the internet. ❤
So glad to hear that, thanks!
I like your Frequency Association idea. I think I have done similar exercises over the years. Have you made any videos specifically about mixing a full orchestra?
Just went downstairs and turned 4K all the way down on my mother's phone so now the Christmas movies do not bite the ceiling anymore. Thanks 4KMillion!!!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😅
Thanks for sharing!
Happy to help! It’s what this channel’s for :)
First life forms were of molecular size and might have been interacting with molecule size elements around them. For example sensing air molecules hitting them or photons causing some damage. These sensing behavior later developed into larger systems and systematic sensations.. Just my thought
Excellent tutorial. Thank you.
Thanks, glad to hear that!
loved this demonstration, a little ask however. could you please write in the freq ranges in the chapter markers, i think it could be a huge help for viewers while watching. either way great vid!
Very useful! Great video, man.
@@CharfishDesign thank you! Happy it’s helping.
hey good tips man
Great system! And a quick way to teach junior engineers or explain to talent / clients what you’re doing!
Wow, what an incredible and unique video, thanks for taking the time to put it all together and share your knowledge, top man! Subbed straight away.....well done! 😃
Thanks for the comment! Appreciate it and welcome to the channel :)
@0:22 the way you said “withaoot” has me thinking you are a fellow Canadian = I know the truth 😂
Yep haha!
Stopped by to give a like and i cant really listen to the video was driving home and the low end cant register with phone speakers LOL but will watch again when i do get to the home studio that has by far better speakers but keep up the great video work! And i hope everyone is doing well too! And keep being rocking awesome everyone! 🙏🎶🤟😎👍🎸🎵😀
Thats actually pretty smart with the whistling :D Noice video
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
@@audioedges yha I didn't realized the whistling frequency area we can do with our mouths its such a relatively small range, then it suddenly makes it really realistic just by practicing to nail resonances in 1k steps there without perfect pitch or anything. Its just a practical thing like this. Pretty huge actually. Ill try to learn this and spread your word, really, thanks (:
Becoming the human soothe2 :D
Outstandingly helpful!
I learned these passively because of the DJs at the clubs in the early 2000s filtering the builds 😂
That'll do it!! Haha
Hey , thanks for a great video . Informative and engaging .
“ Be aware of our surroundings “ 🤘
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks!
nice video man, love how you emphasize, for sure for the presence to high range, that it's all to it's context and situation, this is very valuable info for those starting with the music production process, lots of tuto's on youtube that only say presence to high range fequencies and resonances bad and you need to cut all of them
Thanks man! Lots of misconceptions out there for sure. It’s terrible actually, haha. Glad this has been helpful!
@@audioedges keep up the work man! I'm sharing ;)
Duuude!!! Fantastic!!! Will record my whistle soon, this is gold!
Thank you for sharing this what a great video! Just subscribed
Awesome! Glad to hear that! Welcome to the channel.
I do similar with the EQ on my PC, years ago my Stereo EQ.
Great great vid. Wish I had this when I started.
This is really helpful thank you
If you think of frequencies as notes on a piano from low to high, it's much easier to visualize.
Cool way to visualize it. Lower on the left, higher on the right!
IMO That`s an easy skill to acquire, althought real the mastering can be missleading because of the dynamic elements one has in the track, which may make u think like u need to boost 3k, when u need to lessen the peak at 6k for example
Exceptional breakdown !
Thanks Adam!
Wow nice, this is really helpful to understand how the frequencys Sounds like. When I recorded clarinet, I had a lot oft Air in the tone and lower from 3k everything down, the Noise was away. But I am a Little Bit afraid, that I cut the overtones of the clarinet away.
Thank You Very Much!
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Very interesting . Thank you. One of the first videos of 25 minutes that is not boring! It past before I realized it.
Thank you! Glad to hear that.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
7:49 - "This is what I like to describe as Honky-ness"?
Me: Wait...what?
7:56 - "You're gonna hear it as kind of a honking sound."
Me: Ohhhh, HonkING-ness. 😂😂
Just off the top of my head, a lawn mower in my mind has a similar fundamental as a muffled club, so I'd assume it's woofy at 200hz -300hz, I noticed I don't hear bass in my headphones so well when I am mowing my lawn too.
Great video 💥
Thank you!
Excellent tutorial
Thanks!
Love it! This is great TY TY THis will boost us up to some produver level hearing!!
Thanks, you have just ruined listening to music for me! 🤣 Seriously though, I wish I had these tips when I used to set up PAs and sound out rooms. Great video 👍
Nice job awesome video I think your breathy area is described better with sizzle and associate it with like a stick of dynamite wick being lit . Or bacon in a frying pan Most people doing videos drive me nuts because they say um, constantly, dude I don't think you said it once. I love the pro Q3 although I bought the Kirchoff last year thats pretty nice too I think it's a little more musical than the fab filter.
The fab filter multiband compressor is on every one of my Vocal submixes. 99% of the time, I only record vocals and send them off. Another good descriptive word for the upper midrange is harch. Is subscribed and liked
Cool it with the thumbnail graphics.
Thanks bro🎉🎉🎉
You got it! :)
I think of 300hz as talking to an empty plastic can of sour milk. 900hz is the plasticky tone of a vocal I had in a song in 1999 and battled with the EQ to make it less plasticky and piercing in the mix. 4khz is a bicycle bell ringing dinggggggg for me, and the protruding tone is easy to flag somewhere in that area and then think is it lower or higher in tone to get to more exact area. 😅
Also Manley Ref C has a really strong 3.3-3.4khz which has made it easier to spot in other sounds when softening the vocals recorded with RefC. They bite through a mix really well though.
Any serious 'mixer' should get a hearing test to determine how they perceive sound. For example, many people these days have various degrees of high frequency loss which would/should have to be factored into their mixing. Of course it may be that so many mixing engineers have these deficits that it has become the 'norm' commercially.
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Welcome aboard :)
Alex have you or know a way to work on your mixes when you have bad Tinnitus ringing in the ears, like the test of the emergency broadcast system on top of finger nails scrapping down a blackboard 24/7?
Well let's get it straight realistically and unequivocally, humans can NOT hear 20Hz, but feel it. Also the Avg healthy human can hear between 12Kz - 15Kz. That said, there May be few exceptions so training the ears is a very important aspect, in my opinion, to thoroughly enjoying music. So take notes.
Thanks this was really… ear opening
i gotta watch this every day
Its like when you are under water , you can hear the voice but it's muffled 😂😂😂😂😂
I used to have a video game "Guess the tone" on my TI 99/4a
Are there strategies for older folks who want to mix their recordings who have hearing loss above 10-15k? I heard some but know I hear less than my kids.
So much meat
Loved the video
Thank you! Glad to hear that 👊
I hear frequency ranges as colors
Was going through hell with golden ear trainings 😂😂😂 damn
THE WHISTLE GO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
That it does.
awesome video
Thanks!
Lied and sub’d ❤
Thank you! Welcome aboard :)
Good info. Thanks. Wow, how big was that mosquito. Ours sound much higher-pitched. :^)
That 85 to 200 range is the sound I hear coming from my neighbours house at 4am 😂
Haha!
The honky 600-1k range reminds me of the videos where cats sound like they are taking.
Haha that's a really good one!
💯💯💯
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6:37 LMFAOOOOOOOO YO😂
Haha, if it works it works! 😅
My parrot my African gray parrot whistles at precisely 602 HZ when I give her a head scratch.
I'm from Denmark. I have learned the skill to hear a Canadian. LOL
Haha you’d be correct 😂
13:13 EASTENDERS?!
My ear may not be the best, but I recognize a Canadian accent when I hear one.
Good ear :)
I need more cowbell. 🤣
This is like spinal tap
It's boxy.
Nah it's muddy innit
This video was made by genius 😂
umm how about just sweep the eq to find unpleasant frequencies to pull out of your mix or track, if mastering try the Pultec EQ
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China ¿
Good question - there's an important difference. Sweeping around is like looking for a problem vs. being able to hear it first before looking for it. When you can identify the problem frequencies by ear first, it helps you avoid cutting too much or taking out something that isn't a problem (when you convinced yourself it was by sweeping). Alternatively, if what you mean is sweeping to zoom in on an area after hearing it first as a problem, then yeah, that's totally fine. This video is the ear training part.
@@audioedges fair enough, the ear is always the final judge and we know from experience where the "problem areas" are. I'm not saying there is no value in what you have to offer to newbees. Ear training is probably one of the most ignored skills in mixing cause it's not the shinny thing to get focus like all the latest plug-ins and gear.
Side note:
.... Canada?
Side note: yes :)
bro why do you have so many ghosts lol
cool
Thanks!
Wow, great channel. Like and AUTOSUBSCRIBED 🙏🏼
Appreciate the support! Welcome aboard.
Literally nothing on the
Ok so we just need to cut every frequencys from our songs and i agree, then theres nothing left that annoyis us anymore.
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cool trick ahaha))
Thanks!
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