A Song Programming Example | Liberty Church Lightkey Tutorial Part 5
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2019
- A series of videos designed to train our volunteers and staff on the Lightkey lighting software. A lot of the details in these videos are specific to us as a church, but I left them public in case they can benefit anyone else looking to learn how to effectively use the software.
DISCLAIMER: I know the actual design of the scenes looked like garbage in this video, but I really was going less for good looks, and more for an example of process, haha 
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i just watched all 5 parts in one sitting because i'm new to light key and i now feel like i can program the 'who wants to be a millionaire' show if I had to. LOL I can apply this info immediately! Thank You Jeremy!
Glad to help!
You’re the man dude! This is the best software my opinion and there’s not nearly enough good tutorials out there… Except for yours. Good blend of technical explanation with a little bit of design theory thrown in there by default. Keep up the good work and thank you
Pete M glad to help! Have fun!
Thank you for these videos. This has been one of the best tutorials series for light key that I have found. I was wondering if you could possibly do a video on the live side of things. How you set it up that template you have with the fades. It’s great….
great explanation and break down of all of your tutorials. I'm getting used to using this new software program now.
Nelson C. It’s really intuitive! I haven’t seen any software this usable for so little money
This was a great tutorial... not a lot of lightkey tutorials like yours! Thanks!!!
Miguel Reyes I’m really glad it’s helping!
Just wondering can you use MIDI from Propresenter to select specific cues in a cuelist, not just triggering the advancement through the list. So if you happen to change your order, like skip a song, in propresenter. Lightkey would track along skipping over those cues in the cuelist?
Dwayne Hooper it does! Hit command E to bring up the midi assignment window, add a midi note and tell it which cue you want it to trigger. I believe you have to set it to “activate.”
Then in propresenter, add a midi cue with the same note to the slide you want to trigger it. (Assuming you already have the midi/communications module)
We use our rig to help a school with their productions and I set it up like this since I’m the only one running production for those shows. It will jump around as much as you want when you trigger it this way.
this is great and helpful thank you
Jeremy McKnight glad to help!
Hey Jeremy!
thx for your incredible video playlist on Lightkey! I think it's much more practical explained than from the official Lightkey page!^^
I have a big question: Is it possible (through Ableton Live and/or ProPresenter 7) to program a tempo to a song? For example: under the MASTER fader ist a BPM "button" but it doesn't change or affect the tempo of my moving heads or LEDs. Can you help me/us or maybe record another tutorial on that topic?
Be blessed,
Sven
I’m 80% sure you can do that. Let me take a look at it and I’ll let you know!
Hey Jeremy!
I have a similar question. Were you able to figure anything out on that? It would be great to have the tempo come into the intro/set cue in order to be able to not have to tap tempo... (especially when you’re the tech director for a small church and are running FOH, Lights, and directing video simultaneously 😂)
Hi Jeremy. Your videos have helped me get started with Lightkey for my church. Thanks so much. I have a question though... For me the way you program a song makes total sense using the cue list etc and even playing them back (whether that's clicking through the sections of a song or adding midi cues to trigger them - not to mention that having a library of songs already programmed that can easily be added to a service cue schedule being amazing...
Lots of people seem to use "Control Panel" "Buttons" to trigger off lighting cues. In fact most videos i find are of people doing it that way but i can't seem to figure out how have songs pre-programmed in a folder that i could just drag and drop depending on what songs are being sung in any given service.
The only reason i'd want to do this anyway is because i want to be able o get volunteers involved and the "buttons" interface seems to be more obvious as to what is there to be triggered (cue-wise) and looks less daunting. Would i be right in thinking that the "buttons" are designed for playback of generic scenes more so than multiple scenes customized for a song. I mean with the amount of cues some of the songs i've programmed have, i don't think they would all even fit on one page. To me, your way of doing things in this video makes the most sense but i'm just trying to make sure i'm not missing an opportunity to make things even simpler for the volunteers i'm going to have to train up.
Thanks for your help in advance and God Bless!
You’re definitely thinking about it the right way. Using buttons in that way on a control panel is something people use to have a more spontaneous approach to doing their lighting. With that layout, things aren’t as planned out or specific to the song, but there is greater flexibility in the moment. In the lighting world this style is called “busking.”
Doing it this way is arguably harder for the volunteer during service time, but less setup on the back end. It does take a bit of skill to do really well, but it’s totally feasible if you have the dedication and the eye for it.
I started my career doing lighting design in more of a theatrical environment where everything is very planned out and executed in a repeatable way, so I prefer the cue based method, but if you can find a flow and a setup that works for you, busking is a perfectly fine approach as well!
To elaborate a little more, with the control panel, you could think about each button as a lego brick, just like the presets. Rather than one button being an entire scene, you could have buttons that just change the stage color, or just get the movers going on a certain preset. There are many ways to lay it out, but the general idea is that you would have a layout that lets you change any aspect of the scene on the fly. This is why it takes more effort and a bit of a good eye. It’s like live scene building, and if you go into it without a plan, it won’t look quite as good as preset cues will
@@Quiksilver6565 i really appreciate all of this feedback Jeremy. Thank you. Do you include "black out" and other cue's for specific moments and then just drag them into your service according to the service schedule? I'm guessing that if anything spontaneous did happen you have cues in place for those moments that you can use?
@@mattjabrooks we work around it in a few ways. If we need the stage lights up for someone talking through a worship moment, for instance, we can jump back to one of our “host moment” cues, or we can simply click the “full stage” preset on the right side of the screen (keeping in mind this doesn’t fade in or out).
You can jump around the cue list as much as you want, so there is usually something programmed in there that we can jump to in a spontaneous moment.
@@Quiksilver6565 thanks again. That's great to know. I think i'll make cue's for the moods that would work. It's so straight forward and flexible that there are so many ways to do what you want to do. Looking forward to putting all of think into practice very soon.
I've been learning a lot from your videos thank you! Question! How do you make those song files in the live view on the bottom of the screen? (Ex Lion and The Lamb, Living Hope etc.). That's exactly what I want to do and then add the cues for the song, but I can't figure out how to add individual songs and then add the cues underneath like you have. Thank you!
Next to the live tab there is a little arrow that opens a drop down menu. This is where you can select different control panels and cue lists. I added a cue list just for my songs, and for each song I created a folder under that playlist, and put all my cues in that folder. So whenever I wanna program a new song I right click in the cue list and hit “new folder” and just build all my cues in that folder. When it’s time to do that song on Sunday I copy it over to my Sunday cue list
@@Quiksilver6565 Amazing thank you so much! I really, really appreciate your help!
Thanks for the great tutorials! I do have one question though. This last weekend there was a last-minute change to the service and I didn't have time to change the order of the cues. When the cue was changed to a different part of the service, all of the lights just snapped to that cue with no fade time. Is there a way to switch to different parts of the set cues while still having the fade time take effect?
David Sheas so in previous versions you could do this by right clicking the cue you wanna go to and hitting “activate.” But having just tested that, it seems to only jump to it now. (This is disappointing)
The other alternative would be to either uncheck the box next to the next cue (if you were simply trying to skip one) or to click and drag the cue you want to jump to and place it right under the current cue. You can rearrange cues live and it won’t drop out of “play” mode.
This, of course isn’t ideal. I’ll send the team an email on this. They are pretty good at taking feedback and changing features in updates
@@Quiksilver6565 Thanks so much! I appreciate your help on this!
UPDATE: Im happy to report Lightkey have updated and added this important functionality!
To skip to any cue, you can hold option and double click it to have it fade to it, or click on it and hit Command+option+enter and it will fade to it. If you hit Command+Enter, it will jump to it with no fade. You can also right click on the cue you want to go to and click "activate with fade"
Glad to see Lightkey taking the suggestions of its users!
@@Quiksilver6565 how can you make it so an entire song activates with fade?
Great tutorial. Is it possible to send midi commands for each cue to change with Pro Presenter or Playback App?
Yep! Pretty easy actually. Once you set up your midi routing, Right click on any cue and hit “add trigger” then send the midi from pro or playback to assign it. Or you can hit Command+E and manually assign things
Great video. What interface are you using sir?
Ismael Salinas thanks!
Two of our campuses use the ENTTEC USB Pro MK2, and I think it’s fantastic. The other campus uses the Open DMX USB. The Open DMX experiences some flickering occasionally, especially while switching applications or doing anything outside light key, so I wouldn’t really recommend it. The USB Pro MK2, however is rock solid and puts out 2 universes.
I'm trying to figure out how to create a silhouette look on Lightkey program. I'll try to mess around with it at my church on sunday morning. just wasn't sure if you had any tips on that.
Nelson C. It will really depend on the arrangement of your lights. At my campus we have big white panels behind us made of coroplast that are lit with LED bars. When I do blackouts I’ll usually leave these on so people create silhouettes against the backdrop.
The basic element to creating a silhouette is having something dark in the foreground against something lit in the background.
You can achieve a similar effect just using backlights pointing forward on people as well.
@@Quiksilver6565 Thanks for the tip Jeremy. Yeah we don't have any backlights really. We have uplights with LED striplights from the floor next to the wall so it creates a nice even wash of lights. Then we have 2 LED SLIMPAR 64s on the front left and right edge of the stage. Last, we have a bunch of LED PARCANS on the front and the back of the truss hanging but shining on the band and the back wall too. That's it.
Hey Jeremy, do you have a strategy for making it easy to update your physical lighting set in the future with minimal rework of your light show. For example adding four more moving heads in your top row of lights. The best way I can see to do this is have all the presets setup as you have them and then when it’s time to add more moving heads you would go into each of your presets groups (color, effects, dimmer, positions, etc) and then manually add the lights to each preset. For example for the dimmer preset I would click the four new MH, adjust the dimmer to 100% and then “update” the 100% dimmer preset. Obviously then all the control panel cues and buttons would inherit the new Mh’s. My fanning effect would now have 22 lights instead of 18,etc. is this the best approach or is there a better way? Thanks in advance.
Sorry for the delay, I’m just now seeing this. This is exactly the way I add lights! Once you update your presets, all the new lights will be included in all your cue lists. That’s the power of presets!
Jeremy Broxterman and the way I described is the way in which you update the presets? That’s where I’m not 100% clear/certain. Thanks for responding to my earlier question. 🙏🏼
@@petem7693 Thats correct! Just hit edit on each preset, add the light in and update it!
When I create a cue and hit return, the contents/options/modifiers panel doesn't pop up. Am I missing something?
Sorry about that! There have been several updates and ui changes since I posted these. Try right clicking on the cue and hitting options
How do you attach each scene to the parts of an MP3 that is playing. I know with using something like Ableton you can use cues within Ableton, but I am just playing MP3s. How do I get it to time perfectly with the playing MP3 each time?
Unfortunately there is no built in feature to do this reliably. You would need some kind of external program like Ableton or Cue-lab to trigger things and keep them in sync.
We have volunteers that run our cues live most of the time, and only automate when needed
Light key isn't legitimate software for anything advanced. Switch over to something legitimate like ETC Eos or a hog or MA r something. If the main webpage for your light software has a banner that says, "Professional Lighting Software", odds are, it isn't professional software. (It isn't.)
I’m actually pretty sure you could use garage band to accomplish this. GarageBand is free with every mac, so all you’d need to do is drop the mp3 on a track and create a midi track under that that plays midi notes when you want your cues to change.
Same process as Ableton, but using built in software
@@Quiksilver6565 You can't say, "Record Cue 1 Enter Enter" though.
I'm hating and basically trolling Lightkey because I started in theatre and just started working at a place that uses lightkey and the simple fact that you can't record a cue blows my friggin mind. So of course I'm working 13 hour days right now light designing my own stuff in eos, lol.
@@jordanhenshaw I started on an Ion and mostly work on Chamsys consoles these days, and I love them! It’s true that pro consoles have a ton more flexibility, but for 90% of users who just need to turn lights on and make them look good, it’s not bad.
When I came up in the industry, the only low cost options in lighting were horrid things like the obey 70. Light key kind of changed the game for budget rigs, and brought revolutionary features like *fading between scenes!* (for real, there was no fade option on anything below 500 bucks back in the day)
The command line is fantastic when you learn how to use it, but a lot of people operate better under the “point and click” method.
Hi from Honduras Jeremy.
Do you now how config the Phillips hue Light?
I haven't dug into the hue integration just yet. I'll let you know if I figure it out!
@@Quiksilver6565Thank you very much, I will wait for your answer...
What version are you running as well as OS?
Benjamin Thomas I’m now on the latest version lightkey with Catalina OS
Is it possible to have a 1 button for the whole song?
One button only allows you to activate one scene/cue, so you wouldn’t be able to build a dynamic show like this and place it in one button. Now, once you have your cues set, you can go through them by simply hitting the play button, so in that sense, during the song you only need to hit that one button for each cue change.
For more info, check out part 2 in this playlist for how I approach the set overall
So when I go to the new cuelist from my live page my power for all light are turning off what can I do to fix it
Unfortunately this is the way it works. For a show, you would have to stick to one cue list or live page and not switch between them. This is why I copy song cue lists into folders, and paste those folders into a master cue list for my Sunday services. You’ll need to arrange every cue you need into one list for the show/service. Check out my part 2 video for an example of this.
ruclips.net/video/q76ikQGlmqk/видео.html
@@Quiksilver6565 the thing is we have button which gives power to our movables and every time when it changes from one cue to another it’s turning off the power for movables is there a way to fix that?
@@Quiksilver6565 do you think we can contact in discord if you have it and I can show you what I mean if you don’t mind
There are a couple things you can do: for this show you’re seeing here in the video, I have 3 custom “fixtures” programmed that provide power to each of the rails above the stage. (In the bottom left). These fixtures stay at 100% always as along as lightkey is open. The way I did this was I created a custom patch for a fixture with one channel that has a range from 255-255, then I patched it to the address of our rail power. This way as soon as lightkey turns on, it turns the rails on, and they stay on till I quit lightkey
Can you post a video at your church with lights and all in real life
Here is a link to one of our campuses using Lightkey: ruclips.net/video/waZ6_OTuVt4/видео.html
And our smallest campus:
ruclips.net/video/vxc-BN280jY/видео.html
Unfortunately, I don't have any video of the campus using this specific layout, but this should give you an idea of how the lighting works during the songs.
Thanks so much! We just installed LightKey and are trying to get it trigger slides on Propresenter. Been trying to find a video that will fix a light flicker that happens when certain triggers are done on Propresenter. Is there anyway you could check out our setup? I know you mentioned remote logging in...it would help this pastor of a smaller church trying to save a needing to schedule a volunteer. My email is jarrod@1116.church
Jarrod Adkins the light flicker may come down to the type of DMX interface you have. If it’s one of the “open DMX” models, it uses the laptop to process the signal where others use an internal processor. Sometimes this results in an occasional flicker, especially when switching between applications. Which interface do you have?
I actually just recently figured out how to get Lightkey to trigger content in propresenter, so I could make another video on that. It’s much easier to trigger scenes in lightkey using propresenter rather than doing it the other way around, but either is possible.
Jeremy Broxterman thanks. It’s a ENTECC Open DMX USB into our iMac. I think I’ve fixed after watching your set up video. I set up my Presets like you did. Then added cues for host, teaching, etc; and with songs having cuelist with multiple cues.
But I would love to see your take on setting up LightKey with Propresenter and setting up cues. One tip I learned was turn on Propresenter first, then LightKey. Also like you said in another video, that blue dot next lights is SOOO important checking when setting presets. Thanks for making these videos. They really helped me!!!
Don't know if you saw it yet, but I put out a few videos on controlling Pro Presenter with Light Key. This is really handy if you want Lightkey cues to trigger certain backgrounds in Pro Presenter so you can sync your lighting design with your video screens. Check em out if you are still interested!