Correction: At 7:00 and the next 1 min, the correct clip should be this: ruclips.net/video/Arw1RwKe_Vc/видео.html Audio was correct. FCPX has some funny thing happening with its compound clip function, which modified previous versions and led to the wrong clip. Sorry about that. Long Vid, please use chapter on the time bar. Rod Action and Power still confuses people, because our eyes are often partially "distracted", plus the graphs online are mostly unfaithful to the reality. I built a special rod holder and used video technology to visualize rod ACTION and POWER accurately for the first time on RUclips. Hopefully confusion no more! Together with "Relative Load", rod action and power play pivotal role in the four operations of fishing: Casting, Presenting, Hook-Setting and Fish Fighting.
I have a question to put on the table: The action of a rod shouldnt be not only for the type of baits that we use but for the measurement of the feeling that we sense when we are fishing, in other words, the weight of the bait and his action should be transmited to our hand at full, in my opinion thats the correct form whith the things you just said. Im i correct or not ?? Being so, there are some rods, from several brands, very expensive rods that this measurement is incorrect. My thougths, they only do that to sell more with lesser work and , without R&D to spend. Cheers partner
I really enjoyed this video. You did a great job explaining and illustrating how the interacting specification elements impact (in unison) how a rod will perform. I have a degree in applied physics and I’ve been fishing for more than forty years and this is absolutely the clearest review of this topic I’ve ever seen. Excellent content and presentation - Thanks!
I finally feel like I understand how to properly apply power and action ratings to making real world fishing decisions. This video is excellent. I've never seen the fixed rod as a visual reference to compare with rods under various loads.
Thankfully I have some folks totally grasp the theme. Guess I am not doing too bad a job lol someone below was telling me to delete the video because he could not understand.
The load a rod should be measured under is the load that makes the rod bend 1/3 it's total length when anchored parallel to the ground and 10% of its length. Then when that rod is deflected 1/3 it's length, that it is power, i.e. 500 grams. Then you measure the tip from the vertical (90degrees). These measurements give purely objective measurements. Its called the Common Cents System. I appreciate this videos attempt to clear up misconceptions but it is still inaccurate.
Sense at last, said this for years, most people that fish for Bass in UK go for extra fast 9ft and most do not know why they get this length and action, if you check out the Bass guides a lot use 8, to 8.6 and use moderately fast which is far superior for setting hooks at long range and the shorter length gives you more control of the lure, great video.
@ There has been a increase in shore caught sea bass as they hug the shore and seem to be thriving since we left the European Union, they are difficult to catch as they seem to love the heavily fished areas but once you learn there habits and preferences and the tides they prefer, you can get them, all catch and release for me.👍
Back in the late 90’s I worked at a large tackle department. We were tough how to assess a rods action by pressing it against the floor to judge it’s strength. After playing with 1000’s of rods since all I need to do is press it to the floor and my muscle memory allows me to accurately rate the rod. The G Loomis rep that thought us plainly said the rating on the rod is a guideline but far from the way to know what a rod will do. This is the way to judge a rod at a store.
Great info and greetings again from Crooked Lake northern Michigan @basssniper ! I love my Designo and Evergreen International big bait rods . Can't wait for Spring and 6# smallies 😂...
@@BassniperEng ohhh I have the negotiator and a couple of those new likebite 200 but those are topwater . Indeed even little traverse Bay is partly iced over . Everyone asks me why I don't go ice fishing here 😭..Thanks !
Excellent coverage of all the variables that are actually involved, even if we don’t think of each of them or care. I sure have had rods that disappointed me on casting, they just didn’t load enough despite the power and action listed. Great work by you! Maybe someday the rod manufacturers or someone like Tackle Warehouse or Omnia will create standardized bend curves for at least the most popular rods, using a consistent set of weights.
Casting and rod bending is something in the making. Casting is an energy transferring process, which upon explanation, a lot of improvements in gesture, rod handling and tackle selection can be made.
Diawa made a cranking rod in the mid to late 90s that was unbelievable in the fact that it did not transfer the torque into your hands, fingers. Wrist, forearm and elbow. How was diawa able to do this? It was a tds or tdx line of rods 7 foot black with gold eyes.
When rod does not bend responsively to the load, it makes the wrist fatigue quick because of lever effect; when rod bends under load (i.e. high drag deep cranking), the more it bends, the shorter the distance from load to fulcrum becomes, thus the less effort required to balance the torque. Also when it bends, the tip follows whatever the lure does, while the blank absorbs the energy of the drag (i.e. water drag of the bait and line) and converts it into potential energy and stores it inside the blank. These are the reasons why high deep crank baits are better fished on glass rods can alleviate fatigue.
@BassniperEng diawa had a 7 foot cranking rod that was in a different league when it came to how much torque didn't transfer into the handle!! It is very difficult to find cranking rods with this property. When i first picked up one of those rods I told the girl in our bass club that her crankbait was screwed up or it's foul hooked but when it got back to the boat that crankbait comes straight up out of deep water I was speechless so I handed it to my team partner and he was tripping on it as well. We went out and bought that rod the same week. I wish I could find out the exact model number so I could find out more about its construction. It was a 7 foot black blank with gold eyes it was either tdx or tds line from the mid 90s. If u have access to any old catalogs from back then u could find it !!
If you're an engineer, you'd appreciate a much better explanation and demonstration of a truly objective system for rods. Its called the Common Cents System. Although I appreciate his attempt in this video, there was still a lot of subjective information presented.
Your videos are great, the attention to detail and information is so helpful. Im hoping my posion adrena 1611 L-MH will arrive this week. Would love to hear your thoughts on it and how you would use it. :)
Congrats! Been using the Poison Adrena 166ML/H for a season now, very good for close quarter free rig and Texas rig, OK for some jig application, shines for fluke and Senkos.
@ River smallies? It's good in handling delicate jigs (no more than quarter oz IMO), anything above it, the tip loads too much (especially if you are in down stream current when it pulls a lot of drag) and you want be able to effectively jump the tube jig off the rock etc.
@@BassniperEng unfortunately we don't have bass in sweden. My target is perch but where there is perch there is pike that's just the way it goes. :P Gonna pair it up with a 13fishing concept c2 to have the breaks to handle big fish in current. Wanted a rod that would throw 5-25g rig's, jigs and even top water like the savage gear tough toad as the rod is rated up to 42g , and have the power to keep a bigger pike out of the snagges/grass.
Very wrll told, Still there is a part of the rod that it bends as well and thats the cable, but, thats not in the Bass fiishing rods. This behaver is in the Striper rods. Sorry for the detur . You should make some skeths , patent them for the fisherman that buys a rod buys them with confidence. Cheers partner
Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. That was really helpful and understanding how fishing rods actually work. It may be too difficult, but I would love to see how the action changes based on the force that applied to the handle in your example you had a fixed handle Obviously, when a fisherman is fishing he’s gonna apply torque and leverage to the handle, which I would assume affects the bending of the rod
The fisherman part is more about the angle. It does have some effect on where the rod bends most, or I should say, whether it is more obvious to see where it bends most (i.e. if you point the rod really up under load, you can more clearly see where it bends most then if you have it horizontally held).
@@BassniperEng yeah, and you nailed the right definitions. that's how I always interpreted them, but found it somewhat difficult to explain, which you did perfectly. too bad many manufacturers fail to categorize their own rods properly by both action and power, e.g. listing some rods as moderate or mod-fast whereas in reality they are extra fast, or listing them as e.g. 1 oz power whereas they are easily 2 oz or more. it makes it very difficuclt to choose online (especially when you're searching for a replacement for a broken rod that's no longer manufactured so you want a close match) and makes your efforts on narrowing down the list of suitable rods before going to a store next to useless.
My brain hurts lol.I have a rockfish rod with ul tipend and heavy butt-end.It's made by Abu-Garcia out of streched carbon by using something called TAF blank technology.Here's the thing,while fighting a big Walleye there was an at least 45 ° angle in the tipsection just above the connection.95% of the tip was perfectly straight.It's a miracle the rod didn't break.Sometimes these kind of rods are also used in Bass fishing for ultra light rigs fishing in heavy cover.
It's a Power 2 (the last digit in model number) by Loomis. Their 1 power rating rods are in the panfish/walleye finesse category. By their rating the 2 power is probably closer to ML, 3 power for Medium, 4 power for MH etc. But I totally agree, the Loomis bass rods usually are underrated in power.
@@BassniperEng I have three 852c JWR rods. They are one of my all time favorite rods. For me the medium rating is right on the money for this rod. The 2 power in the JWR and MBR rod lines are correct being in the Bass category in Loomis land. Great video by the way!
Man love the “action” comparisons but you can’t really judge different manufacturers power and action ratings against each other?? There different blank materials as well as different overall components. It’s not apples to apples so to speak. The Megabass TS Destroyer is an extreme heavy duty double wrapped guide SLX graphite wrapped blank built for large heavy swimbaits. It may have a similar “bend” to the G Loomis but I promise you, if you put that G Loomis under the same weight constraints as that TS Destroyer it will explode! The weight recommendations are just that recommendations but I would be careful as to how you use certain rods out over there weight recommendations.
Actions can be compared among any rods or brands because again it's just where the rod bends most, the footage will be uploaded hopefully next week. The reason why all rods feels different is because action and power can not decouple and they always affect how the rod fishes and feels together. Like I said in the video, the variable parts are: angle when testing, input load when testing etc that's what makes most of the brand to brand difference. And a lot of times where the rod "starts to bend" makes a huge difference in the rod's tip movement aka "appearing stiffness", leading to the brand to brand difference we typically feel. When we fish what we feel was mostly the amount of tip movement, that's why a low power extra fast can fish supple under high loading, but a high power slower action rod can fish stiff under low loading.
A heavy rating on a crankbait rod isn't the same as a heavy rating on a jig/worm rod. Also one companies "extra fast" isn't the same as the next companies. Different materials are used to build the rods. For example a st. croix extra fast will never match a loomis extra fast because croix uses softer materials.
Blank material is #1. Actions can be compared across companies although they might use different holding angles and different load when defining their ex fast , fast etc, leading to small difference. What we describe as "brand to brand" difference is more about the power rating, what we were comparing is the appearing stiffness of a rod, aka tip movement, which is impacted largely by where the rod "starts to bend" -- 1 degree bending right above the handle will cause more tip movement than 1 degree bending 1 feet from the handle. So rod length and guide location and number also has some impact. The thick diameter blank bending is what makes a lot of the different feeling of rods' "stiffness"-- 2 fast action MH rods, the one has a blank that starts to bend closer to the handle (aka bends deeper) will feel softer or supple than the other which does not bend as deep.
@@BassniperEng I'm simply saying comparing a heavy crankbait rods action to a heavy jig and worm rods action is pointless ..or a heavy swimbait rods action. "Stiffness" or whatever else. Especially a glass rod. Makes no sense. Don't mean to offend. Just didn't understand it.
@@jae-gw6tla Gloomis, or North Fork Composites, xf has a wide variation even within their own lines. They can be inconsistent. To eliminate the issues you stated originally there is already a very accurate system. Its called the Common Cents System. It eliminates all you described. Most custom rod builder use it. Big brands don't. They benefit when you have to buy rod after rod trying to figure it out.
The whole system as Medium, Medium Heavy, Fast, Moderate fast.....is so subjective and inaccurate. The appropriate way to measure is CCS. When defining rod action, the rod should be parallel to the ground, not at a 30 or 45 degree angle.
CCS is indeed a very good system for comparing rods across board, unfortunately no major rod manufacture picked that up some 25 yrs after it came out, still the same old. IMO the ERN/AA's practicality for anglers are perhaps not as much as for the rod manufacturers. It's easier to relate to the current defining system than numbers. Rods are not analytical balances so perhaps that high resolution in the ERN/AA system is not felt or needed. As far as angle goes, horizontal position was chosen in the CCS because it is the easiest to measure the tip's deviation from the 0 load axis and to set the horizontal reference of the AA dial. 30, 45 or 60 are equally OK as long as the entire system is measured using one angle reproducibly. Megabass use both 30 and 45 degrees, Shimano uses 60 a lot.
Am I weird for not giving a shit about any of this? I bait up and throw it out....I catch a shitload of fish and never once had to worry about the rod I was using. My old man spent 20 years fishing with a coke bottle and never once came home without a feed.
Not weird at all! First, fishing is for fun, so everyone should just use what works for them. That said, rod videos aren’t a thing for those who don’t care about rods. Every field has its degrees of detail, whether it be fishing, archery, guns, or something else, and people choose their areas of interest or uninterest to follow or ignore.
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Correction: At 7:00 and the next 1 min, the correct clip should be this: ruclips.net/video/Arw1RwKe_Vc/видео.html
Audio was correct.
FCPX has some funny thing happening with its compound clip function, which modified previous versions and led to the wrong clip. Sorry about that.
Long Vid, please use chapter on the time bar. Rod Action and Power still confuses people, because our eyes are often partially "distracted", plus the graphs online are mostly unfaithful to the reality. I built a special rod holder and used video technology to visualize rod ACTION and POWER accurately for the first time on RUclips. Hopefully confusion no more! Together with "Relative Load", rod action and power play pivotal role in the four operations of fishing: Casting, Presenting, Hook-Setting and Fish Fighting.
I have a question to put on the table:
The action of a rod shouldnt be not only for the type of baits that we use but for the measurement of the feeling that we sense when we are fishing, in other words, the weight of the bait and his action should be transmited to our hand at full, in my opinion thats the correct form whith the things you just said.
Im i correct or not ??
Being so, there are some rods, from several brands, very expensive rods that this measurement is incorrect.
My thougths, they only do that to sell more with lesser work and , without R&D to spend.
Cheers partner
I really enjoyed this video. You did a great job explaining and illustrating how the interacting specification elements impact (in unison) how a rod will perform. I have a degree in applied physics and I’ve been fishing for more than forty years and this is absolutely the clearest review of this topic I’ve ever seen. Excellent content and presentation - Thanks!
Instant click and upvote when I see a post. Thanks man. Love your videos.
Glad you like it. Tight line~~
You’re the kinda fisherman I’d like to teach me on the water. Thanks man.
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos. Great stuff!
You explain it so well! Learned a lot from this video!
I finally feel like I understand how to properly apply power and action ratings to making real world fishing decisions. This video is excellent. I've never seen the fixed rod as a visual reference to compare with rods under various loads.
Thankfully I have some folks totally grasp the theme. Guess I am not doing too bad a job lol someone below was telling me to delete the video because he could not understand.
The load a rod should be measured under is the load that makes the rod bend 1/3 it's total length when anchored parallel to the ground and 10% of its length. Then when that rod is deflected 1/3 it's length, that it is power, i.e. 500 grams. Then you measure the tip from the vertical (90degrees).
These measurements give purely objective measurements. Its called the Common Cents System. I appreciate this videos attempt to clear up misconceptions but it is still inaccurate.
Literally understood nothing you said there. and i fully comprehend action and power.
Sense at last, said this for years, most people that fish for Bass in UK go for extra fast 9ft and most do not know why they get this length and action, if you check out the Bass guides a lot use 8, to 8.6 and use moderately fast which is far superior for setting hooks at long range and the shorter length gives you more control of the lure, great video.
Curious what kind of bass lives across the pond -- is it freshwater or the branzino in saltwater?
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There has been a increase in shore caught sea bass as they hug the shore and seem to be thriving since we left the European Union, they are difficult to catch as they seem to love the heavily fished areas but once you learn there habits and preferences and the tides they prefer, you can get them, all catch and release for me.👍
Awesome video!!! Especially liked the quiz parts!! 🍻
Back in the late 90’s I worked at a large tackle department. We were tough how to assess a rods action by pressing it against the floor to judge it’s strength. After playing with 1000’s of rods since all I need to do is press it to the floor and my muscle memory allows me to accurately rate the rod. The G Loomis rep that thought us plainly said the rating on the rod is a guideline but far from the way to know what a rod will do. This is the way to judge a rod at a store.
Best technical info available in no japanese language out there 😊
Got to the quiz - answer to both questions is you cannot tell at this stage - you can only tell action and power under progressive load.
Great info and greetings again from Crooked Lake northern Michigan @basssniper !
I love my Designo and Evergreen International big bait rods .
Can't wait for Spring and 6# smallies 😂...
You are missing out! I heard they still biting Roman Made under 12 inches of ice lol
@@BassniperEng ohhh I have the negotiator and a couple of those new likebite 200 but those are topwater .
Indeed even little traverse Bay is partly iced over . Everyone asks me why I don't go ice fishing here 😭..Thanks !
Excellent coverage of all the variables that are actually involved, even if we don’t think of each of them or care. I sure have had rods that disappointed me on casting, they just didn’t load enough despite the power and action listed. Great work by you! Maybe someday the rod manufacturers or someone like Tackle Warehouse or Omnia will create standardized bend curves for at least the most popular rods, using a consistent set of weights.
Casting and rod bending is something in the making. Casting is an energy transferring process, which upon explanation, a lot of improvements in gesture, rod handling and tackle selection can be made.
Diawa made a cranking rod in the mid to late 90s that was unbelievable in the fact that it did not transfer the torque into your hands, fingers. Wrist, forearm and elbow. How was diawa able to do this? It was a tds or tdx line of rods 7 foot black with gold eyes.
When rod does not bend responsively to the load, it makes the wrist fatigue quick because of lever effect; when rod bends under load (i.e. high drag deep cranking), the more it bends, the shorter the distance from load to fulcrum becomes, thus the less effort required to balance the torque. Also when it bends, the tip follows whatever the lure does, while the blank absorbs the energy of the drag (i.e. water drag of the bait and line) and converts it into potential energy and stores it inside the blank. These are the reasons why high deep crank baits are better fished on glass rods can alleviate fatigue.
@BassniperEng diawa had a 7 foot cranking rod that was in a different league when it came to how much torque didn't transfer into the handle!! It is very difficult to find cranking rods with this property. When i first picked up one of those rods I told the girl in our bass club that her crankbait was screwed up or it's foul hooked but when it got back to the boat that crankbait comes straight up out of deep water I was speechless so I handed it to my team partner and he was tripping on it as well. We went out and bought that rod the same week. I wish I could find out the exact model number so I could find out more about its construction. It was a 7 foot black blank with gold eyes it was either tdx or tds line from the mid 90s. If u have access to any old catalogs from back then u could find it !!
Love the videos! Thanks for sharing some knowledge.
Always good info, curves almost look like a Smith Chart!😂..you must be a fellow Engineer Bassniper! Enjoyed the video and Thanks for posting.
If you're an engineer, you'd appreciate a much better explanation and demonstration of a truly objective system for rods. Its called the Common Cents System. Although I appreciate his attempt in this video, there was still a lot of subjective information presented.
Awesome video
Thank you so much ‼️
Amazing explanation, thank you for sharing, you videos are very interesting and we learn a lot from them.
Un saludo,
Pablo
Very informative video, thanks for your work.
Your videos are great, the attention to detail and information is so helpful. Im hoping my posion adrena 1611 L-MH will arrive this week. Would love to hear your thoughts on it and how you would use it. :)
Congrats! Been using the Poison Adrena 166ML/H for a season now, very good for close quarter free rig and Texas rig, OK for some jig application, shines for fluke and Senkos.
@BassniperEng It will be my main single hook rod and I fish rivers 95% of the time. What typ of jig fishing would you recommend me avoiding?
@ River smallies? It's good in handling delicate jigs (no more than quarter oz IMO), anything above it, the tip loads too much (especially if you are in down stream current when it pulls a lot of drag) and you want be able to effectively jump the tube jig off the rock etc.
@@BassniperEng unfortunately we don't have bass in sweden. My target is perch but where there is perch there is pike that's just the way it goes. :P Gonna pair it up with a 13fishing concept c2 to have the breaks to handle big fish in current. Wanted a rod that would throw 5-25g rig's, jigs and even top water like the savage gear tough toad as the rod is rated up to 42g , and have the power to keep a bigger pike out of the snagges/grass.
Thanks for sharing this interesting information.
I like this guy, dude got good taste.. baller 👍👍
Very wrll told,
Still there is a part of the rod that it bends as well and thats the cable, but, thats not in the Bass fiishing rods.
This behaver is in the Striper rods.
Sorry for the detur .
You should make some skeths , patent them for the fisherman that buys a rod buys them with confidence.
Cheers partner
Could you elaborate a little bit on "cable"? Thanks! also I always admire those surfcasters who embrace the elements like no other
@BassniperEng its the rod part that goes from the grip part until the elbow .
The rod fishint handle if im not mistaken.
Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. That was really helpful and understanding how fishing rods actually work. It may be too difficult, but I would love to see how the action changes based on the force that applied to the handle in your example you had a fixed handle Obviously, when a fisherman is fishing he’s gonna apply torque and leverage to the handle, which I would assume affects the bending of the rod
The fisherman part is more about the angle. It does have some effect on where the rod bends most, or I should say, whether it is more obvious to see where it bends most (i.e. if you point the rod really up under load, you can more clearly see where it bends most then if you have it horizontally held).
The action and power are all different depending on the manufacturer's interpretation so it's hard to compare by verbal description alone.
Not anymore after you see the visuals in the vid.
@@BassniperEng yeah, and you nailed the right definitions. that's how I always interpreted them, but found it somewhat difficult to explain, which you did perfectly.
too bad many manufacturers fail to categorize their own rods properly by both action and power, e.g. listing some rods as moderate or mod-fast whereas in reality they are extra fast, or listing them as e.g. 1 oz power whereas they are easily 2 oz or more.
it makes it very difficuclt to choose online (especially when you're searching for a replacement for a broken rod that's no longer manufactured so you want a close match) and makes your efforts on narrowing down the list of suitable rods before going to a store next to useless.
far too much detail need to dumb it down as per technique so we know what to shop for
My brain hurts lol.I have a rockfish rod with ul tipend and heavy butt-end.It's made by Abu-Garcia out of streched carbon by using something called TAF blank technology.Here's the thing,while fighting a big Walleye there was an at least 45 ° angle in the tipsection just above the connection.95% of the tip was perfectly straight.It's a miracle the rod didn't break.Sometimes these kind of rods are also used in Bass fishing for ultra light rigs fishing in heavy cover.
Bass rods with "soft solid tip" does that. Hard solid tip does not do that.
I like rods with very soft tips and extra fast action for walleye jigging.
Thanx Bassniper. Would it be easy to say a heavy fast rod bends different than a medium fast rod working the same weight bait.
By medium fast rod do you mean a "medium fast action" rod or a fast action rod with medium power rating?
Medium power/ fast action
Heavy power/ fast action
Hey Bassniper: The frequency and quantity of RUclips ads throughout this particular video made it almost impossible to follow your train of thought.
It’s automatically added, I’ll take a look later today. Sorry about that.
Deleted a few and adjusted the timing. Thanks for the feedback!! Let me know if it's still bothering you.
@@BassniperEng That helped, thanks.
Great information. Bassmd
🎉🎉
Great tips as always
852c JWR is a medium power
It's a Power 2 (the last digit in model number) by Loomis. Their 1 power rating rods are in the panfish/walleye finesse category. By their rating the 2 power is probably closer to ML, 3 power for Medium, 4 power for MH etc. But I totally agree, the Loomis bass rods usually are underrated in power.
@@BassniperEng I have three 852c JWR rods. They are one of my all time favorite rods. For me the medium rating is right on the money for this rod. The 2 power in the JWR and MBR rod lines are correct being in the Bass category in Loomis land. Great video by the way!
Just wiggle it before buying 😅
Man love the “action” comparisons but you can’t really judge different manufacturers power and action ratings against each other?? There different blank materials as well as different overall components. It’s not apples to apples so to speak. The Megabass TS Destroyer is an extreme heavy duty double wrapped guide SLX graphite wrapped blank built for large heavy swimbaits. It may have a similar “bend” to the G Loomis but I promise you, if you put that G Loomis under the same weight constraints as that TS Destroyer it will explode! The weight recommendations are just that recommendations but I would be careful as to how you use certain rods out over there weight recommendations.
Actions can be compared among any rods or brands because again it's just where the rod bends most, the footage will be uploaded hopefully next week. The reason why all rods feels different is because action and power can not decouple and they always affect how the rod fishes and feels together. Like I said in the video, the variable parts are: angle when testing, input load when testing etc that's what makes most of the brand to brand difference. And a lot of times where the rod "starts to bend" makes a huge difference in the rod's tip movement aka "appearing stiffness", leading to the brand to brand difference we typically feel. When we fish what we feel was mostly the amount of tip movement, that's why a low power extra fast can fish supple under high loading, but a high power slower action rod can fish stiff under low loading.
A heavy rating on a crankbait rod isn't the same as a heavy rating on a jig/worm rod. Also one companies "extra fast" isn't the same as the next companies. Different materials are used to build the rods. For example a st. croix extra fast will never match a loomis extra fast because croix uses softer materials.
Blank material is #1. Actions can be compared across companies although they might use different holding angles and different load when defining their ex fast , fast etc, leading to small difference. What we describe as "brand to brand" difference is more about the power rating, what we were comparing is the appearing stiffness of a rod, aka tip movement, which is impacted largely by where the rod "starts to bend" -- 1 degree bending right above the handle will cause more tip movement than 1 degree bending 1 feet from the handle. So rod length and guide location and number also has some impact. The thick diameter blank bending is what makes a lot of the different feeling of rods' "stiffness"-- 2 fast action MH rods, the one has a blank that starts to bend closer to the handle (aka bends deeper) will feel softer or supple than the other which does not bend as deep.
@@BassniperEng I'm simply saying comparing a heavy crankbait rods action to a heavy jig and worm rods action is pointless ..or a heavy swimbait rods action. "Stiffness" or whatever else. Especially a glass rod. Makes no sense. Don't mean to offend. Just didn't understand it.
@@jae-gw6tla Gloomis, or North Fork Composites, xf has a wide variation even within their own lines. They can be inconsistent.
To eliminate the issues you stated originally there is already a very accurate system. Its called the Common Cents System. It eliminates all you described. Most custom rod builder use it. Big brands don't. They benefit when you have to buy rod after rod trying to figure it out.
@ETuss713 u know wat they say "common cents ain't common"
The whole system as Medium, Medium Heavy, Fast, Moderate fast.....is so subjective and inaccurate. The appropriate way to measure is CCS. When defining rod action, the rod should be parallel to the ground, not at a 30 or 45 degree angle.
CCS is indeed a very good system for comparing rods across board, unfortunately no major rod manufacture picked that up some 25 yrs after it came out, still the same old. IMO the ERN/AA's practicality for anglers are perhaps not as much as for the rod manufacturers. It's easier to relate to the current defining system than numbers. Rods are not analytical balances so perhaps that high resolution in the ERN/AA system is not felt or needed. As far as angle goes, horizontal position was chosen in the CCS because it is the easiest to measure the tip's deviation from the 0 load axis and to set the horizontal reference of the AA dial. 30, 45 or 60 are equally OK as long as the entire system is measured using one angle reproducibly. Megabass use both 30 and 45 degrees, Shimano uses 60 a lot.
Am I weird for not giving a shit about any of this? I bait up and throw it out....I catch a shitload of fish and never once had to worry about the rod I was using. My old man spent 20 years fishing with a coke bottle and never once came home without a feed.
Not weird, you just don’t fish as many different techniques as others.
Not at all. I started fishing using the cheapest bamboo hand poles throwing earthworms.
@@mmmbass6068 I fish live bait, dead bait, soft lures and hard lures. Choice of rod has never really been a concern.
Not weird at all! First, fishing is for fun, so everyone should just use what works for them. That said, rod videos aren’t a thing for those who don’t care about rods. Every field has its degrees of detail, whether it be fishing, archery, guns, or something else, and people choose their areas of interest or uninterest to follow or ignore.
Wierd? No. Stubborn and forcefully unwilling to learn? Yes.
Wanting to learn an adapt will not only make you a better fisherman, but a better person