hi, another great video - when VVT is on, solenoids not disabled, the cranking waveform is OK, not sure about the intake bump though, if you disabled VVT, you get the usual cranking in-cylinder waveform
Another great video! Finally I saw the exhaust compression hump all the way up in a waveform! I always picture it in my mind because never goes up. This was awesome! Did you open the phaser just for curiosity? As Joel I thought it was a not fully charged battery when cranking but later we saw why it did that! Thank you brother!
Thanks Keka, yes I did open up the phaser, there is a return spring inside that had popped off its locating position and so it was stuck not in the correct installation position, causing the cam to be in the wrong timed phase.
Great video as always , the only thing I would have done differently is to change all the phasers since one of them went bad the others may go bad as well including the chain .
I admire your diagnostic. I wish I have the tool and understanding to do the same. The chain guides on N63 is notoriously bad. They turn brown in color become brittle. Your guides are very brown and will not last long. However it is still the best decision if u see the root cause (VANOS sprocket) as changing timing guides is not easy (engine out). You should also have remove the oil pan (surprisingly easy for N63) to see if any chunks of debris from chain guides or anywhere.
Thanks again good diagnóstic, I wa wondering when you did the cranking compresión that sounds was un even ,like weak battery but looks to me on the red trace incilinder you have double compresión stroke, and that is the reason why the engine cranks slow having 2 cylinder at the same time compresión , I would have love to see in good running conditions incilinder wave form, also relative compresión at the very beginning would have been awesome to see 3 humps or 4 humps of compresión.
Hey Joel, yes that cranking sound was not normal because the engine was fighting itself to compress cylinders that normally shouldn't be compressing at certain times. I unfortunately did not save the relative compression waveform I performed, I tried to look for it when I put the video together but nowhere to be found. But I will say on another car that had the same problem (08 mini cooper out of time and had a second compression looking hump) I performed relative compression and that second hump never did show up on the waveform and the cranking didn't sound abnormal. So sometimes the relative compression test will show you the second looking compression and other times it won't. So it's best to go in cylinder to verify. Thanks for watching
They say it's vale cover gaskets but no oil leak is nowhere in sight and not even on spark plugs that got change so I figured that's not it. And bmw passport said 6300 for vale cover replacement
Doing this job with n my 2011 750i I had e bank 2 exhaust cam retarted replaced VVT with no success I also have a 2012 750li so I used a known hood working solenoid same outcome removed valve cover bank 2 only sure enough time was off ordered adjuster plus new bolt throwing it on this Sunday hoping everything comes out well
yep this is the n63 for you ive rebuilt 2 complete top ends on e70s and basically the valve stem seals where out to lunch and the first e70 the plastic on the cam adjusters on 3 had completley gone. basically you have just through money at them and get everything you neeed. there oil interval schedules that bmw state are ridiculous.
when there was the synchronization problem tell me if the accelerator pedal worked? it was possible to accelerate the car from a standstill by pressing the accelerator ??? because I just redid my n63 engine and it's the same by replacing the timing chain. when starting it, the idle is unstable, it is impossible to accelerate the vehicle to get up in the turns. like an impression that the butterflies are not controlled by the accelerator pedal. I have already checked everything. I just need the timing adjustment to be checked.
Watched your video - If I may ask a question - what's the benefit (other than seeing the sharp valve closing - which incidentally wasnt sharp on the first waveform) to using a fancy transducer? cant one measure compression in the bank and if all cylinders are about equal compression loss but still some present assumes no interference occurred?
I took to another place and it popped up with to codes witch was vanoes solenoids so they currently replacing them now I supposed to get my car back Monday is witch is tomorrow
Have ever heard of this, I just only had the car for two weeks I got it from a dealer in va. But soon I got the car from the dealer week after dealer went out of business. And my warranty was already out of because it was over 70miles for warranty
you need to fine out what trouble codes it is throwing and then find out what is causing it to run bad. I cannot attempt to help if I don't even know what codes it is currently having. Let me know if you can get a full dme report.
Codes are 108D01, 11B702, 120908, 12BA02, 130F21, 140601, 140602 that's from a bmw specialist, at bmw passport says vavle cover but it's not that I'm sure. Took to another place they said vanoes solenoids that didn't work took to another place they say since it several misfires change spark plugs and coils and injectors, I got everything replace other then fuel injector, didn't get that done because on 650ix have a extended warranty for fuel injectors and O2 sensor and camshaft for that car, it's currently in silver spring at bmw. They said my ivm module was no good so they replaced that and now they say they getting timing fault code, $545 for that and the part for the ivm module is only 145. Ok so I didn't pay yet cause they told me that should of fixed it like the other place with vanoes solenoids charged me $1305 for that and it didn't fix it. I already spent almost 3600 dollar on this car. Bmw said now they getting no codes other then timing fault.
Thank you Keka, For this Great video. I'm having the same problem with my 2012 BMW 750LI. Did you remove the Engine to fix the timing issue? I would have loved to see the video of you fixing this.
The right side of my turbo is knocking and the exhaust is popping and check engine light is on in park it's idling rough and in drive it's hiccuping loss of power n shaking drivetrain malfunction comes on soons I start the car
Hey brother I have 2010 BMW 750Li, just got the 4 Vanos Solenoids changed. Car runs much better all codes gone except one... 131001 Crankshaft - inlet camshaft 2, reference: angle difference outside limit value Is that something to do with Camshaft timing? If so, how much in labor would it cost to time the engine...like you did
Yes, as far as that code description goes, it is related to timing issue not being aligned at some point , whether its due to chain issue or cam phaser not phasing properly. Unfortunately it is a very time consuming job if were needing to do any type of timing work and it gets very expensive quickly,
@@ralphdesilva3438 Not yet, deciding which route I want to go. Either new engine, or fix the timing. The engines for these cars are pretty cheap, at $3k You can buy one & get it installed for around $5k total. It's most likely the Camshaft Exhaust gear/adjuster on the drivers side though. If I can get the labor for a reasonable price, I'm going replace it with a new gear
It's hard to say, but two things would possible phaser gear failure like in this video, or chain stretch issue. Both would affect base timing and would need to attempt to differentiate between the two by testing.
@@DTEAuto I have most disassembled to replace phasers,Vanos sel. And timing chain & guilds. Do the heads need to come off for timing cover to release? Im really hoping to not pull the heads. Thank you
I have replaced timing chain rod bearings. Swapped injectors,coils,plugs repaired vac leaks, tested cam sensors pretty much swapped everything form bank 2 to bank 1. Code remains on 6&8 always. Low compression or intake phaser? Did run great for a bit after a reset then it triggered again once it idled down.
@@DTEAuto I was going to ask you how you got the timing cover back on because I’m doing that job now and I’m guessing I will have to remove the cylinder head to install the front timing cover
How many hours that take you? A person i know has a 2011 bmw 550i that has the same bad exhaust sprocket on bank 2, has misfire codes on 5,6,7 cylinders and p0025 exhaust camshaft position over retarded bank 2.
@@DTEAuto ah ok gotcha, going to work on it from start to finish, on the cam sprockets they have markings to line up to camshaft or they go on however?
What a huge difference in the 'before' and 'after' repair! Your diagnostic skills have to be the best in the Cincinnati area. Well done, Sadel!
Thanks Dave, appreciate that , and thanks for watching
great bit of proof on the pressure transducer. love the flags on the wall too
Yes Dave, definitely are able to use the transducer in many ways to get accurate info, and yes those are some cool flags, thanks for watching!
Someone misdiagnosed engine
Your buddy got 650 on sale
You did great job fixing it
it was cool to bring this one back to life, thank you for watching
hi, another great video - when VVT is on, solenoids not disabled, the cranking waveform is OK, not sure about the intake bump though, if you disabled VVT, you get the usual cranking in-cylinder waveform
Thanks Tintoverano and glad you enjoyed !
Another great video! Finally I saw the exhaust compression hump all the way up in a waveform! I always picture it in my mind because never goes up. This was awesome! Did you open the phaser just for curiosity? As Joel I thought it was a not fully charged battery when cranking but later we saw why it did that! Thank you brother!
Thanks Keka, yes I did open up the phaser, there is a return spring inside that had popped off its locating position and so it was stuck not in the correct installation position, causing the cam to be in the wrong timed phase.
Great video as always , the only thing I would have done differently is to change all the phasers since one of them went bad the others may go bad as well including the chain .
Thank you Miguel, Yes I understand possibly going that route, but this was the decision made to make sure engine was ok. thank you for watching
the path of least resistance
I admire your diagnostic. I wish I have the tool and understanding to do the same.
The chain guides on N63 is notoriously bad. They turn brown in color become brittle. Your guides are very brown and will not last long. However it is still the best decision if u see the root cause (VANOS sprocket) as changing timing guides is not easy (engine out). You should also have remove the oil pan (surprisingly easy for N63) to see if any chunks of debris from chain guides or anywhere.
Yes all good points for sure, but on this one the customer just wanted to get it running to make sure engine and rest of the car was ok
Thanks again good diagnóstic, I wa wondering when you did the cranking compresión that sounds was un even ,like weak battery but looks to me on the red trace incilinder you have double compresión stroke, and that is the reason why the engine cranks slow having 2 cylinder at the same time compresión , I would have love to see in good running conditions incilinder wave form, also relative compresión at the very beginning would have been awesome to see 3 humps or 4 humps of compresión.
Hey Joel, yes that cranking sound was not normal because the engine was fighting itself to compress cylinders that normally shouldn't be compressing at certain times. I unfortunately did not save the relative compression waveform I performed, I tried to look for it when I put the video together but nowhere to be found. But I will say on another car that had the same problem (08 mini cooper out of time and had a second compression looking hump) I performed relative compression and that second hump never did show up on the waveform and the cranking didn't sound abnormal. So sometimes the relative compression test will show you the second looking compression and other times it won't. So it's best to go in cylinder to verify. Thanks for watching
much appreciated for the video
Very helpful video! Thank you for your hard work
Glad it was helpful and thank you for watching
They say it's vale cover gaskets but no oil leak is nowhere in sight and not even on spark plugs that got change so I figured that's not it. And bmw passport said 6300 for vale cover replacement
awesome diag and fix!
Thanks Bill, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching
Doing this job with n my 2011 750i I had e bank 2 exhaust cam retarted replaced VVT with no success I also have a 2012 750li so I used a known hood working solenoid same outcome removed valve cover bank 2 only sure enough time was off ordered adjuster plus new bolt throwing it on this Sunday hoping everything comes out well
Good luck and I hope you get it figure out
How did everything go?
yep this is the n63 for you ive rebuilt 2 complete top ends on e70s and basically the valve stem seals where out to lunch
and the first e70 the plastic on the cam adjusters on 3 had completley gone. basically you have just through money at them and get everything you neeed. there oil interval schedules that bmw state are ridiculous.
Totally agree, those intervals are way too far spread out, thank you for watching
when there was the synchronization problem tell me if the accelerator pedal worked? it was possible to accelerate the car from a standstill by pressing the accelerator ??? because I just redid my n63 engine and it's the same by replacing the timing chain. when starting it, the idle is unstable, it is impossible to accelerate the vehicle to get up in the turns. like an impression that the butterflies are not controlled by the accelerator pedal. I have already checked everything. I just need the timing adjustment to be checked.
Same problem n63 bmw in my workshop
Hey I have question
How do you make sure camshafts are not under tension?
Is it when cylinder 1 is at 150 TDC?
Watched your video - If I may ask a question - what's the benefit (other than seeing the sharp valve closing - which incidentally wasnt sharp on the first waveform) to using a fancy transducer? cant one measure compression in the bank and if all cylinders are about equal compression loss but still some present assumes no interference occurred?
yes that would be a test to perform to attempt to gather good data on the status of the engines health
I took to another place and it popped up with to codes witch was vanoes solenoids so they currently replacing them now I supposed to get my car back Monday is witch is tomorrow
Have ever heard of this, I just only had the car for two weeks I got it from a dealer in va. But soon I got the car from the dealer week after dealer went out of business. And my warranty was already out of because it was over 70miles for warranty
you need to fine out what trouble codes it is throwing and then find out what is causing it to run bad. I cannot attempt to help if I don't even know what codes it is currently having. Let me know if you can get a full dme report.
Codes are 108D01, 11B702, 120908, 12BA02, 130F21, 140601, 140602 that's from a bmw specialist, at bmw passport says vavle cover but it's not that I'm sure. Took to another place they said vanoes solenoids that didn't work took to another place they say since it several misfires change spark plugs and coils and injectors, I got everything replace other then fuel injector, didn't get that done because on 650ix have a extended warranty for fuel injectors and O2 sensor and camshaft for that car, it's currently in silver spring at bmw. They said my ivm module was no good so they replaced that and now they say they getting timing fault code, $545 for that and the part for the ivm module is only 145. Ok so I didn't pay yet cause they told me that should of fixed it like the other place with vanoes solenoids charged me $1305 for that and it didn't fix it. I already spent almost 3600 dollar on this car. Bmw said now they getting no codes other then timing fault.
Bmw dealer all telling me something different it's like they don't know and just want money from me.
Do you have a email so I can send you dme
Thank you Keka, For this Great video. I'm having the same problem with my 2012 BMW 750LI. Did you remove the Engine to fix the timing issue? I would have loved to see the video of you fixing this.
John, No I didn't have to remove the engine I was able to get it done in the car
@@DTEAuto Do you have any videos on it being done?
I need you help please I have the same car nobody can figure out what's going on
Can you change the timing chain and the timing chain components without taking out the engine ? Thank you.
Yes I believe you can
What does a fix like that cost?
Went to several bmw specialist they all said something different I took it to bmw passport
Did u ever take apart of the sprocket to see if damage? I might have same issue...timing won't line up after I finish doing timing and rotate motor
Yes, I did, the locking/return spring had come off its position which led to the gear spinning off of its original installation spot.
@DTEAuto thanks for the fast response and I'm going to check if I'm having that same issue!
I need your help please I have 2014 650ix
The right side of my turbo is knocking and the exhaust is popping and check engine light is on in park it's idling rough and in drive it's hiccuping loss of power n shaking drivetrain malfunction comes on soons I start the car
I need your help I have 650ix 2014 every body saying something different
What did you have to remove to get to check the timing. I have a ‘14 750 with fault 164043.
the valve covers have to be removed and access to the crank pulley
@@DTEAuto BTW, great video and amazing diagnostics Sadel! I was concerned on having to remove the turbos and exhaust.
Hey brother I have 2010 BMW 750Li, just got the 4 Vanos Solenoids changed. Car runs much better all codes gone except one...
131001 Crankshaft - inlet camshaft 2, reference: angle difference outside limit value
Is that something to do with Camshaft timing? If so, how much in labor would it cost to time the engine...like you did
Yes, as far as that code description goes, it is related to timing issue not being aligned at some point , whether its due to chain issue or cam phaser not phasing properly. Unfortunately it is a very time consuming job if were needing to do any type of timing work and it gets very expensive quickly,
You have a completely different motor the TU is essentially a completely different block
did you ever figure out the issue?
@@ralphdesilva3438 Not yet, deciding which route I want to go. Either new engine, or fix the timing. The engines for these cars are pretty cheap, at $3k
You can buy one & get it installed for around $5k total.
It's most likely the Camshaft Exhaust gear/adjuster on the drivers side though. If I can get the labor for a reasonable price, I'm going replace it with a new gear
So would you still use the old chain?
Any thoughts what would cause a cam jumped tooth code? Multi misfires on bank 2.
2011 S63 engine
It's hard to say, but two things would possible phaser gear failure like in this video, or chain stretch issue. Both would affect base timing and would need to attempt to differentiate between the two by testing.
@@DTEAuto I have most disassembled to replace phasers,Vanos sel. And timing chain & guilds. Do the heads need to come off for timing cover to release? Im really hoping to not pull the heads.
Thank you
I have replaced timing chain rod bearings. Swapped injectors,coils,plugs repaired vac leaks, tested cam sensors pretty much swapped everything form bank 2 to bank 1. Code remains on 6&8 always.
Low compression or intake phaser?
Did run great for a bit after a reset then it triggered again once it idled down.
I’ve replaced both phasers. Set timing. Still get cps code but only when engine hot. Thoughts? I’ve swapped sensors code stays. Pls help.
I have a bmw 650igc 2014. And showing code p054B. What do you think is the problem?.
Not too sure on that code but quick search shows common issue is faulty or dirty vanos solenoids, other than that it would need to be diagnosed.
VANOS ( Variable Camshaft Timing ) inlet 2 solenoid valve : control fault , camshaft stuck ؟..BMW M6 N63 engine
VANOS ( Variable Camshaft Timing ) exhaust 2 solenoid valve : control fault , camshaft stuck؟..
Hey mine has the same problem now what was the problem and what solved the problem?
@@Come8033.let me know bro I appreciate the help
I thought you replaced the timing chain but I guess that wasn’t the case
the gear actuator phaser is what had failed on this one and is what I replaced
@@DTEAuto I was going to ask you how you got the timing cover back on because I’m doing that job now and I’m guessing I will have to remove the cylinder head to install the front timing cover
Surprised you can change out a phaser without having to drop the engine in that cat with an N63
How many hours that take you? A person i know has a 2011 bmw 550i that has the same bad exhaust sprocket on bank 2, has misfire codes on 5,6,7 cylinders and p0025 exhaust camshaft position over retarded bank 2.
its a big job, depends if you work on it straight or do a little at a time. Mine took at least a week of on and off
@@DTEAuto ah ok gotcha, going to work on it from start to finish, on the cam sprockets they have markings to line up to camshaft or they go on however?
the gear/phaser goes on any which way I believe, which is why you have to use the timing tools to set the cams
@@DTEAuto ok awsome thanks, i have the timing tool kit.
U can change the phaser without loosing the chain tensioners ?
Hi sir
Salut
But intake bank 2
they would have to check and diagnose to see if the phaser/gear is the issue
Hi i have same problem i have mistfire on bank 2 cilinder 5 6 8 codes 131101 140501 140601 140801