The Best Gold (Acrylic) Paint - HC 306
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- In this Hobby Cheating Tutorial, I take you through why most gold colored paint is bad, and how we can make a better acrylic gold. Hope you enjoy!
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3 drops Vallejo metal color gold
2 drops Vallejo metal color copper
1/128th teaspoon Greenstuff World pure metal antique gold
1 drop flow improver
saving for myself so I don't have to skim the video to come back to it. Great video!
I wonder what flow improver you're supposed to get? What is "the best?"
@@freedom2663 I think vince would say "whatever works best"
@@freedom2663 In his Paint additives video he say's he likes liqutexes flow aid
Good call.
@@unionpivo either that or Warcolours Surfactant which he also has a fondness for
Poorhammer 40k Brought me here.
Awesome!
I know this is an older video, but I just wanted to say that I finally got my antique gold in today and tried the recipe. It’s amazing. Cameras in no way do this paint justice. Cannot recommend highly enough
Wonderful!
That moment when Vince uses Tombkings shields for "testing", miniature history gold meets gold paint.
I have so many of those shields. :)
Just mixed up enough of this to fill it’s own dropper bottle. The color and coverage are incredible, its leagues above other gold paints. Thank you Vince!
Watch out it gonna rust!
Has it exploded yet?
@@ToastyPappylol seriously?
@@ToastyPappydoes it really
@@ksamuel9Yeah apparently it doesn't last if you mix it together. You have to use it all up at once or it won't keep.
Started watching and wondering, "Hmm, no VMC or GSW pigments? Odd." Then... whammo - 1-2 punch!
I'm not a fan of GW/ Citidale paint. I kinda wish more of the youtube hobby painters would move away from it.
@@GarryWButler That's why Vince is a go to for paint reviews IMO. He talks about what works. Not what's popular.
I knew instantly what was coming. “These are all shit, here’s what works.” 🤣
That was my exact reaction as well lol
“Does that mean I have to get *more* pai- oh wait, I spoke too soon.”
It was all a set up. ;)
This reminds me of when my jewerly teacher discovered this kickass rose gold alloy, but he didn't share it. Thank you for sharing yours.
You are so welcome!
The new format is awesome, Vince! Thank you very much for your time and all the great info you share with us!
Always happy to help. :)
I recently came across this video and finally tried it. All I can say is wow, this is by far the best gold I've painted yet.
Great tutorial and couldn’t be happier with your recommended gold “recipe” Thanks as always for your time and the effort you put into all your videos!
My pleasure 😊
Vince ive been watching your HC videos since you were in the high 90s and your production quality has gone such a long way. It has been a fun and very educational adventure and im very much looking forward. Over the past years ive learnt so much from you and ive grown as a painter. Thanks for your effort and i wish you all the best!
That's awesome to hear and I am always happy to help. It's been a journey.
I got my pigment in the mail earlier in the week and you are right, the coverage and color is amazing. I've been having fun trying different ratios of the VMC Gold, VMC Copper and GSW Antique Gold to find the hue that I like before I brew up a big batch.
Thanks again for putting out amazing videos.
Awesome.
Wow, what an amazing result! Nice to have a literal golden nugget there to really showcase just how close (or not, rather) all these leading company "gold" products are. You'd think that someone, somewhere, somehow, one of these companies with all their resources, would have found a similar recipe or recipes to get a decent-looking gold paint on the market. I guess not! Great video as always, keep it up.
Glad you enjoyed it! And I know, it's a mystery to me, maybe it's cost? No idea.
love the new way of filming, changing it up is nice. also solid vid
Thank you, I am experimenting with many different filming styles. :)
True that was great! (though it was great before too hehe) keep up the good work
I like seeing your face at the beginning. I thought it was Wednesday for a second 🤣
This video was so timely for me! Thanks Vince for all your hard work!
Always happy to help. :)
I have grown to despise all the trims and runes on various GW models that I would otherwise love, with passages of non stop brown basecoats on each and every model for the metals. This is just what i needed as always thanks a ton Vince
That is undoubtedly the most impressive gold acrylic I've ever seen, amazing discovery Vince.
Thank you, happy to help. :)
It makes me just as happy to see GSW Gold Pigments being applied in a video as when using it myself. Best gold and copper products I have found so far. Great tip with the flow improver. I mixed it with metal gloss varnish as you have recommended and it dried out very quick on hot days. Will add a drop to mix from now on
Always happy to help. :)
That is exactly my experience. The original mix drying out faster than I would like. Some kind of retarder makes sense and the fact that flow improver can add a little glossiness is only a benefit in this case.
Grabbed everything for this recently for the new seraphon drop. Super excited to try this!
I love metallic paints and was pleasantly surprised by a Citadel paint of all things, Auric Armor. Love the new filming angle and background music.
In my experience that provides 0 cover though. You need a gazillion layers to cover larger areas and it get very crummy very quickly
Glad you enjoyed. :)
It will be helpful to look up gold leafing and antiquing tutorials, such as those used to reproducing antique gold art frames and moulding.
Wood mouldings are typically underpainted with gesso primer, a red ochre or terracotta primer, and yellow ochre. The primers help with adhesion, and also smooth out the wood grain, so perhaps with miniatures they can be skipped, although I would try a thinned red ochre primer as it may help add warmth.
Yellow ochre, though, is essential for disguising finely detailed areas in wood mouldings, where it can be tricky to place gold leaf. For miniatures, it would disguise streaking when used under gold paint. Similar to a tinted primer basecoat, like residential painters use under vibrant housepaints.
Many, if not all, vibrantly coloured paints in all kinds of applications (including fine art, miniature painting, residential and commercial painting) benefit from a tinted undercoat. That is, an undercoat that is close to the final top coat, but made with an opaque base, usually white (tint) or black (shade), depending on the colour.
The opaque base will not be as vibrant as the top coat, but is close enough that it will hide streaking. Then only 1 or 2 top coats of the final colour, thinned if necessary, can be used. The amount of pigment held in vibrant paints necessarily makes them translucent and prone to streaking.
I'm curious if you've ever tried sizing and metal leaf, with sepia ink for aging, and what your results were. I've used metal leaf for jewellery, especially the tiny flakes, which are easier to apply than the squares. It's more annoying than paint, but much nicer results. I skip clear topcoats, as they just dull the finish.
One project I did a topcoat for (ceiling medallion) ended up looking like spray paint in the end. I'm thinking of trying epoxy resin, but for miniatures, that wouldn't work.
Thanks for this! I've been finding my gsw metal pigments quickly get a bit gooey as I paint with the various mediums I've tried (master medium, gloss varnish, pure metal color paint) so hopefully the flow improver is the missing component!
Yep, it keeps it flowing.
I wish I had this knowledge a couple of years ago when I painted my Custodes. That colour is perfect. Thanks for sharing!
Always happy to help.
I was moderately surprised the ProAcryl ones weren't included, but just seeing the comparison of the others to the Metal Color had me go "yup, I'm just going to get some more Metal Color paints"
"Gold standard." Well played
Always happy to help.
Love the new video format Vince and this was a great one. I think you’ve mentioned before that you just typically mix this to order, but do you think there would be any issues with mixing up a batch in a dropper bottle (for ease of airbrushing)?
Seconding for visibility, I considered the same thing. Not sure if the pigments would rust, they should be the only problem. Could do the other steps and add the pigments each time but thats the main part you'd want to avoid so...
I've pre-mixed them and they separate quite fast. Vortex mixer seems to do the trick here. Not sure about rusting pigments though. My mixes are quite fresh
Nope, no issue, you could make a bottle.
@@EugenAnanin now that its been a few months, have you have any problems with the paint rusting from the pigments?
@@1killer911 I've come to the conclusion that the GSW pigments inevitably rust and ruin the paint within a few months. Tried making a bottle of Vince's recipe a few times, tried just mixing a bottle of GSW pigments + Metal Color Medium, each just turned kind of reddish brown and dull after a while.
Retributor armor is still my go to for basing gold. Its color for a base for other golds, is all round good, and since I mostly do base, layer, highlight, rather than just basing one color; it really just fits my personal needs.
But when I do go for a good gold: Gehenna’s gold is my out right favorite. Its a rich cherry red-gold, with a really nice glisten. Sure, its a layer paint, so its thinner than another paint by xyz company, but it’s color is not one that hasn’t been matched yet.
Thank you for the vid! I still really liked your mix, may give it a try when I go to restock my paints!
This is, without a doubt, the best Gold I've ever seen. Immediately buying the stuff for it lol
That's pretty amazing! Just wondering if that would work as well when using the copper/other gold pigments from GSW instead of the Vallejo bottles?
I imagine it would, Vince did a video mixing them with metal color varnish from vallejo as it worked really well as a medium.
@@acrylicchemist1432 Thanks mate, I'll take a look!
Yep, I have a video on just the pigment alone.
Question: Would it be possible to premix a bottle of the stuff used at the end of the video? There's a reason why the pigments are sold without a medium?
yes you can mix a bottle of it, james wappel has done that.
Yep, you could make a large amount. :)
@@VinceVenturella how well would a mixture of that run though an airbrush? Would it require additional thinning, do you think?
@@variaphora Yeah, you would want some thinner/flow improver.
Airbrushing for some reason imbues paint with better coverage, so thinning it down is usually not an issue.
This is a gem my friend...thank you for saving us all some time, frustration and cash.... keep it up VV
Always happy to help.
I have been trying out mixing my different gold and metal paints for so long trying to make a nice gold...
Thanks for the video I will switch to your mix. Looks super nice.
Happy to help. :)
Vince, how would the pro acryl gold stack up to these? I just bought a big chunk of that line thanks to your previous recommendations and my perpetual paint lust including two metallic paints and I have to say the coverage for the gold is even better than Citadel's retributor armour which was my go to
Pretty much every acrylic metallic paint that isn't VMC or the newish GSW pigments compares poorly to those paints in one facet or another or multiples.
The pro acryl metallics have good opacity but they look much worse than VMC/GSW. Think they're still using mica in the mix for the sheen and it's just too big a particle to get that next level sheen.
I’ve been mixing the pro acryl metallics with Vallejo metal color to get the flowing and coverage of Vallejo metal color and really been enjoying it
Yeah, I don't really like the Pro Acryl metals, they just don't sell for me.
It's worth remembering that in a medieval/fantasy setting, the gold won't be high-purity modern metals, and different gold alloys do have fairly different colours.
Not quite as different as _some_ of the paints there, but still worth noting.
Seems like that's what weathering, washing, chipping, and blending is for. To me, you should have a "pure" gold as a base to work from and then tarnish it or add inks etc to change it into a less pure gold if that's the look you're going for, rather than settle for a crappier paint that doesn't cover well and doesn't look like anything, let alone even an "impure" gold.
It's a good point, but yes, I agree with Anthony, i like having the "pure" base to work from, then modify accordingly.
The Romans frequently changed the purity of their silver. Were all societies as advanced as the Romans? No. But ancient/ medieval societies did indeed know how to smelt metal and among those they were best at were gold and silver. Could they reach our 99.99% purity? No. But they could reach very high purities. Gold and silver melt at low temperatures.
Iron and the making of steel are different that requires heat that acients and medieval metalsmiths would struggle to attain and maintain.
I was waiting for this since i’ve seen you using this combination on the grimdark canoness ❤️. Love the resoult!
Glad you like it!
VMC Copper and Gold was already my go-to mix, but the addition of the GSW pigment takes it to another level. Thanks for the tip!
Happy to help. :)
Your videos are great and I learned a lot watching them. But this time there is something I must remark. Gold is never used pure, because it is to soft to work with. Therefore Gold has different colours depending on the precise alloy. Grey Gold even looks like silver. But yes, you made the gold look in a way everyone would recognize it.
Yep, you are of course right, but I like to start with the pure gold and then manipulate. :)
Im thinking of using this for my tomb kings would you bother to shade and highlight this combination? Im gonna follow through the older tomb kings guides the but the pre shading layering on the golds feel a little bit intimidating as a beginner painter.. :)
Have never found anything better than this! I have bottles labeled with Vince V Magic Gold because it is just so good :D Thanks so much for the recipe especially my Black Legion would not look that good without it :D
Funny, I just picked up some VMA copper for my Death Guard (and I'm beyond impressed by how good it is) but now I can mix some VMA gold that isn't green, great for Custodes. Thanks for the tips!
i remember you did the video on the green stuff gold pigment, i purchased 3/4 cuz the store was sold out of the antique gold. Only one store in Canada caries them and they're still sold out. but i find it works really nice. You gave me an idea to mix the gold with the copper pigments and the vallejo metal varnish.
Excellent.
Fantastic. And I have all the components here to try! I was going to suggest a few other golds by Scale 75 and Pro Acryl but after seeing this I highly doubt they can compete. Great stuff.
Yeah, this is just the best, I have tried them all. :)
Great demo, very useful and it's quite revealing as to what 'they' say is gold next to a paint that comes rather close to actual gold.
Exactly. :)
awesome video thanks. I like the new camera angle opening.
It will come and go, I am going to try some different shooting things over the coming months. :)
Thank You Vince, I have been using the Retributor Armour for edge details on my Sisters of Battle and it has not been as I would have wanted, always looks "too thick", so I will give this a try
No issue, always happy to help. :)
My tomb kings army has been waiting for this video. Thanks as always Vince!
Always happy to help. :)
Man....that is an awesome gold you made. Phenominal
I do wish my computer allowed me better visuals of the different golds, it's likely my settings combined with well metal colours. Still a very lovely video and helpful as anything. I truly think "Balthasar Gold" is just bronze - that's what I always use it for, or a type of bronze anyway. Really glad you mentioned the GS pigments that's exactly what I was wondering about when you started making your own gold. And holy god is that such a difference. It's absolutely gorgeous. I don't think I'm every going back (well except to lacquer golds in airbrush, but that's way different). It's just amazing, my jaw literally dropped at the end. Thanks so much once again!
Yep, it's a really big difference. :)
This will definitelly help on the Protoss color scheme I'm gonna try to do, all the other gold are so dull and boring, this will make it so much better, thank you very much
Ask, and we receive, thanks for the breakdown Vince. Very helpful.
No problem, happy to help. :)
Finally got all the ingredients!! Gonna check it out tonight. Thanks for the tip!
Have fun! :)
This TMM series is fantastic. I hope you do it for everything under the sun.
I always love a good comparison video.
So many puns. So good final effect. Thank you, good sir!
I just got my greenstuff world order of antique gold to use with the other ingredients, I have to say, You got the perfect formula right here. This gold is amazing.
Thank you, I really love it. :)
Absolutely amazing mixture! Thank you so much.
Glad you like it! :)
I just tried this after waiting a couple weeks waiting on shipping and holy smokes does this look so good! Thanks again vince my stormcast eternals are going to SHINE
Glad you like it!
This video is amazing. I also thought the Vallejo metal gold doesn't look quite right, but I never thought to mix in copper. I may have to buy that pigment powder and mix a bottle of gold! Thank you!
Always happy to help.
I've been using vallejo gold and copper for a while now and love them. Excited to try the powder out and really kick it up!
Awesome, happy to help. :)
@@VinceVenturella you just saved my Vallejo gold and copper , I noticed there’s also a gold powder and you used old gold . Does the gold make it more yellow ?
Excellent! Just wish I wasn’t traveling - so I could do this immediately! Thanks Vince 👍🏻
Always happy to help. :)
You Vince are a genius, I will have to try this mixture.
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
I needed this just now! How fortunate that I saw this before I went out to buy even more crappy golds. Thanks Vin!
Happy to help!
That was something i was going to try cause i’m a Metal Color lover. Just a confirmation. Thankyou Vince!
Thank you, always happy to help.
Vince the Alchemist. I wonder how long it takes until one of the manufacturers asks you to become their consultant. You save everyone so much time and trouble. I can't express my gratitude enough and hope I'll be lucky enough to attend one of your courses in person in the future.
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
Great video! Its not as good as your mix but sometimes if I just want something super quick for a small area, I cheat and use the gold Sakura pen touch paint markers. Its a pigment ink so it levels out very nicely if you put it on wet enough.. I’m not sure if it’s acrylic ink, but I’ve used it w/o any problem on top and beneath acrylic paint/primer and even with acrylic based varnish on top. The reflectivity is much higher than the acrylic paints, so it looks more real, but wouldn’t be a good choice if you’re going for a matte look.
Hey vince there’s a newish paint out GSW chrome metal - antique gold. I found it after looking for the pigment in this vid tried it and in terms of reflectivity and looking like gold plate it’s on another level. We’ll worth a try.
Great video! ordered Retributor Armour and your unique gold's ingredients, thanks!
Glad you like them!
Finally got all this crazy Gold making Denmark Paint in!!!!! Time to prime and paint this weekend!!!!! Wish I could send you pics 😂. An entire Warhammer army has been bought, built, and about to be painted just because of this video 😂🙏🏽
Awesome
This is really affirming as i came up with pretty much the same recipe after watching your gold pigment video. Also add a drop of brown ink for shades and metal colour aluminum for highlights. 👨🍳👌 Need to make a bottle of it
You got it. :)
Thanks for this. It was a long wait to get the pigment from GSW but worth every second. I mixed about half a bottle of this to use on my stormcasts from the Dominion box. Given our mutual appreciation of Kimera naming conventions I have labeled yours "The Gold".
Glad I could help!
Loving the Tomb King shields in there! 😁
Always a good time to use them. :)
Excellent work. Can't wait till you cover copper. I love the particular vibrancy and shade of Screaming bell but it takes 3 god damn coats and on Chaos thats a lot of trim to go over 3 times.
It will factor into a few videos in the future.
This gold really is amazing. Definitely worth the purchases and mixing
You just costed me a bunch of money but, OH BOY, am I happy now. So smooth, I went from dreading painting TMM to anticipating painting it ^^'
Awesome. :)
more secrets from the book of Vincent!
I may have to order the Metal Colour gold/copper and the green stuff pigment from overseas, always very difficult to find in NZ. The shift to metal colours as even just a base makes life so much easier.
Generally I find the Scale 75 golds good for blending etc, but I usually start with Necro gold for the base, and build up with some of the other golds.
It's worthwhile. :)
Amazing Recipe, i have been monitoring those pigments for a while and overall they seems worth.
I think so too!
At first, when you said you had to return the gold nugget brooch, I was like "okay PLOT TWIST this is where Vince pulls out his pigment grinder and puts it on the desk!"
I have been using the 3 drops of VMC gold + 2 drops of VMC copper since I learned about it from you, so good. This pigment puts it over the top!
It really does. :)
Brilliant awesome, would never have thought to mix the golds I have to get a better looking gold, thanks so much.
No problem 👍
This ancient gold recipe works so well. Been using it for some time now and it just looks insanely good.
Awesome. :)
Excellent video, Vince! Really cool to see you try out new things with the way you film, I thought it was really nice the way you got a more personal intro to the subject with the first shot where we can see you explain the task at hand. Also your propensity to come up with great recipes is a gold mine (heh), and I think you really hit the nail on the head with this one. Regarding the GSW pigments, which other ones would you say are 'must haves' if one would be ordering them?
Keep up the great work, you are a rock!
Honestly, 3 out of the 4 (Bronze, Copper and Antique Gold) are all my go-tos for the pigments, they are all worth it.
You have literally struck gold with this video thank you !
Thank you!
After some second guessing my choices, and my bad luck, I think I'll be buying the stuff you listen for this recipe.
I bought 2 gold colours and a silver from other brands. NONE looked like the picture on the website(s), they were anything but gold (all more green-ish brown and barely any shine) and I do not have much finds just to waste them on 'test buying'. XD
The few things I will need to paint gold in my sculpting and painting adventures will definitely be few, so I'd rather invest in an actual gold-looking recipe than gambling the few funds I have away for useless crap.
Thank you SO much for your help!
Being unimpressed with the gold paint choices I was finding in my search today, I stumbled across this video. The two things that shocked me the most is just how bad some of these gold colors looked and varied right out of the bottle. The second thing that shocked me was the results of how gold this formula looks. Truly impressive and a real hidden treasure among youtube videos.
Wonderful to hear and happy to help!
Vince, you solved my hunt for a True Metallic Gold. Thank you.
Awesome
Vince-y V the mad scientist at work. I was very curious to see what this video's outcome would be and it did not disappoint. Best of both worlds it seems with the VMC and GSW Pure Metal Pigments.
You got it.
This video inspired me to do a little experiment of my own. Instead of expensive GSW pigment, I tried some cheap, but still very finely ground Amazon generic pigment. The result of just adding a tiny bit to some otherwise low coverage Testors airbrush gold was absolutely amazing. This technique is a keeper!
Interesting!
I knlw this is old but ive found if yoj cant get your hands on the pigment for the gold, use vallejo polished gold!
Its almost the exact same pigment and its cheap as a one drop mixer.
As always thanks Vince, making my hobby more enjoyable. Huge respect to you.
Happy to help.
Really like this types of your videos when we can see you.
More to come! :)
Absolutely amazing! Thank you for posting and sharing! Super helpful! Much appreciated!! :)
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video Vince thanks for all the effort you put in to these just to release them out into the wild for free. I think for basic tabletop stuff I'll just keep putting up with VGC glorious gold and retributor armor. Mostly cause I'm to lazy to mix paint for 2 feet paint jobs lol. Totally using that mix for any display stuff though.
Not surprised that the AP gold failed so hard, I'm actually a fan of their silvers, and their bright gold has a nice color but it's not worth the 3 sometimes 4 coats it takes.
Totally understood and happy to help. :)
Just received the metal color set and antique gold pigment. Waited over a month for this to arrive from Italy to Montreal. Did not have many options over here.
Super helpful! Was trying to decide earlier if I wanted to leave a skull seraphim or change it to gold. Metallics are still the weakest part of my set.
Always happy to help. :)
man you should make a cheat sheat of all these secret combos for your pateron! that gold mix is amazing
This is great! An excellent and worthy experiment!
Thanks! This one was fun
instantly purchased the gsw stuff on seeing this....ive been trying desperately to get a gold i like to do a custodes force in and this really looks promising....thanks
Go for it! Perfect for Custodes.
Holy moly!
Great gold mix!
Thanks!
@@VinceVenturella
Quick follow up
Using your method here:
- Should we shade it (ex: Retributors Gold --> Reikland Shade ---> Retributors or Auric or Lib Gold highlight)
If so, with what? (Same as the GW ones, a unique one from another vendor, another mix, none at all?)
- What is the best primer for it? Black? White? Grey? Another gold (e.g. GW Retributor)?
Again, the end goal here is like you said "gold"
To resemble more closely the art work (which are pretty gold) and lore colors of HoS SCE for example.
Thanks for sharing! Awesome recipe and result :)
Thank you. :)
Thanks for going over these paints, I've tried a whole lot of different paint brands looking for good gold and silver metallic and I've definitely found them to be really hard to find. Your mix looks perfect, I'm definitely going to have to try it out for myself. In my experience the best gold paint I've ever used so far is model master gold enamel paint, and the best in acrylic is Golden Iridescent Rich Gold, they're fantastic. I do have a bottle of Army Painter greedy gold for comparison and it's awful compared to them.
Regarding the colour inaccurate golds they can still make sense for fantasy since gold alloys can vary significantly in colour from pure gold. It would be interesting to see if it would be practical to actually gild a miniature, the fine details might make it impractical since applying gold leaf works best on a smooth surface, but it would be cool to have a true gold comparison.
Yeah, I plan to do the non-acrylic metals in the future. :)
Tried the GSW pure metal pigments on the vallejo meta colors today and its awesome. Was even able to color over some other bad quality gold pretty easily on a couple models.
Great to hear!
Monument's line of golds is quite enjoyable to work with. I mix it with Scale75's range often. I enjoy the Vallejo metal color gold the most though.
I just don't think they hold up, I've used them. :)
Very impressive demonstration! That gold is golden!!! Would be very interested in seeing how you use it… shading, highlighting and all that jazz. Or maybe you already did a HC about it? Anyways, you are one of the few to go TMM on RUclips and I like that!
Thank you, I love TMM, my basic is a solid brown ink or glaze paint and then pale burnt metal to highlight.
Lovely! I'll be nicking this one for sure. Thank you Vince!
Happy to help brother. :) - Congratulations on the new space, it looks like it has some great potential. Can't wait to see what you make there.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks Vince. I did my first painting here yesterday and it felt a little weird. I hadn't realized how much a familiar setting comes to play when painting, what the light is like, where all the paints are, all that. So I'll just have to keep painting and get used to all the "newness" :)
@@52Miniatures I completely get that, I've changed my area lots, but always the same phyiscal space and always slowly, so it's a boil the frog thing for me. Whenever I've been painting in a completely new space, I'm immediately unconfortable. All the best brother.