3 drops Vallejo metal color gold 2 drops Vallejo metal color copper 1/128th teaspoon Greenstuff World pure metal antique gold 1 drop flow improver saving for myself so I don't have to skim the video to come back to it. Great video!
I know this is an older video, but I just wanted to say that I finally got my antique gold in today and tried the recipe. It’s amazing. Cameras in no way do this paint justice. Cannot recommend highly enough
Just mixed up enough of this to fill it’s own dropper bottle. The color and coverage are incredible, its leagues above other gold paints. Thank you Vince!
It makes me just as happy to see GSW Gold Pigments being applied in a video as when using it myself. Best gold and copper products I have found so far. Great tip with the flow improver. I mixed it with metal gloss varnish as you have recommended and it dried out very quick on hot days. Will add a drop to mix from now on
That is exactly my experience. The original mix drying out faster than I would like. Some kind of retarder makes sense and the fact that flow improver can add a little glossiness is only a benefit in this case.
Been fairly new to this hobby. Got frustrated with my pot of Retributor Armor I bought before I knew any better being just a big chunk of goop and not looking awesome on my set of Chaos Space Marines I’ve been painting. Found this channel and by extension this gold recipe, and was so intrigued I had to assemble the resources… got my Vallejo metal colors and my GSW pigment in the mail finally, and WOW, this stuff is incredible. The richness of the color, the shine and reflectiveness are absolutely stunning. Amazing video, now I’m going back and binge watching a bunch of these hobby cheating videos!!!
It will be helpful to look up gold leafing and antiquing tutorials, such as those used to reproducing antique gold art frames and moulding. Wood mouldings are typically underpainted with gesso primer, a red ochre or terracotta primer, and yellow ochre. The primers help with adhesion, and also smooth out the wood grain, so perhaps with miniatures they can be skipped, although I would try a thinned red ochre primer as it may help add warmth. Yellow ochre, though, is essential for disguising finely detailed areas in wood mouldings, where it can be tricky to place gold leaf. For miniatures, it would disguise streaking when used under gold paint. Similar to a tinted primer basecoat, like residential painters use under vibrant housepaints. Many, if not all, vibrantly coloured paints in all kinds of applications (including fine art, miniature painting, residential and commercial painting) benefit from a tinted undercoat. That is, an undercoat that is close to the final top coat, but made with an opaque base, usually white (tint) or black (shade), depending on the colour. The opaque base will not be as vibrant as the top coat, but is close enough that it will hide streaking. Then only 1 or 2 top coats of the final colour, thinned if necessary, can be used. The amount of pigment held in vibrant paints necessarily makes them translucent and prone to streaking. I'm curious if you've ever tried sizing and metal leaf, with sepia ink for aging, and what your results were. I've used metal leaf for jewellery, especially the tiny flakes, which are easier to apply than the squares. It's more annoying than paint, but much nicer results. I skip clear topcoats, as they just dull the finish. One project I did a topcoat for (ceiling medallion) ended up looking like spray paint in the end. I'm thinking of trying epoxy resin, but for miniatures, that wouldn't work.
Wow, what an amazing result! Nice to have a literal golden nugget there to really showcase just how close (or not, rather) all these leading company "gold" products are. You'd think that someone, somewhere, somehow, one of these companies with all their resources, would have found a similar recipe or recipes to get a decent-looking gold paint on the market. I guess not! Great video as always, keep it up.
Love the new video format Vince and this was a great one. I think you’ve mentioned before that you just typically mix this to order, but do you think there would be any issues with mixing up a batch in a dropper bottle (for ease of airbrushing)?
Seconding for visibility, I considered the same thing. Not sure if the pigments would rust, they should be the only problem. Could do the other steps and add the pigments each time but thats the main part you'd want to avoid so...
I've pre-mixed them and they separate quite fast. Vortex mixer seems to do the trick here. Not sure about rusting pigments though. My mixes are quite fresh
@@1killer911 I've come to the conclusion that the GSW pigments inevitably rust and ruin the paint within a few months. Tried making a bottle of Vince's recipe a few times, tried just mixing a bottle of GSW pigments + Metal Color Medium, each just turned kind of reddish brown and dull after a while.
Vince ive been watching your HC videos since you were in the high 90s and your production quality has gone such a long way. It has been a fun and very educational adventure and im very much looking forward. Over the past years ive learnt so much from you and ive grown as a painter. Thanks for your effort and i wish you all the best!
Question: Would it be possible to premix a bottle of the stuff used at the end of the video? There's a reason why the pigments are sold without a medium?
I got my pigment in the mail earlier in the week and you are right, the coverage and color is amazing. I've been having fun trying different ratios of the VMC Gold, VMC Copper and GSW Antique Gold to find the hue that I like before I brew up a big batch. Thanks again for putting out amazing videos.
Thanks for this! I've been finding my gsw metal pigments quickly get a bit gooey as I paint with the various mediums I've tried (master medium, gloss varnish, pure metal color paint) so hopefully the flow improver is the missing component!
I have grown to despise all the trims and runes on various GW models that I would otherwise love, with passages of non stop brown basecoats on each and every model for the metals. This is just what i needed as always thanks a ton Vince
Vince, how would the pro acryl gold stack up to these? I just bought a big chunk of that line thanks to your previous recommendations and my perpetual paint lust including two metallic paints and I have to say the coverage for the gold is even better than Citadel's retributor armour which was my go to
Pretty much every acrylic metallic paint that isn't VMC or the newish GSW pigments compares poorly to those paints in one facet or another or multiples. The pro acryl metallics have good opacity but they look much worse than VMC/GSW. Think they're still using mica in the mix for the sheen and it's just too big a particle to get that next level sheen.
It's worth remembering that in a medieval/fantasy setting, the gold won't be high-purity modern metals, and different gold alloys do have fairly different colours. Not quite as different as _some_ of the paints there, but still worth noting.
Seems like that's what weathering, washing, chipping, and blending is for. To me, you should have a "pure" gold as a base to work from and then tarnish it or add inks etc to change it into a less pure gold if that's the look you're going for, rather than settle for a crappier paint that doesn't cover well and doesn't look like anything, let alone even an "impure" gold.
The Romans frequently changed the purity of their silver. Were all societies as advanced as the Romans? No. But ancient/ medieval societies did indeed know how to smelt metal and among those they were best at were gold and silver. Could they reach our 99.99% purity? No. But they could reach very high purities. Gold and silver melt at low temperatures. Iron and the making of steel are different that requires heat that acients and medieval metalsmiths would struggle to attain and maintain.
Your videos are great and I learned a lot watching them. But this time there is something I must remark. Gold is never used pure, because it is to soft to work with. Therefore Gold has different colours depending on the precise alloy. Grey Gold even looks like silver. But yes, you made the gold look in a way everyone would recognize it.
Im thinking of using this for my tomb kings would you bother to shade and highlight this combination? Im gonna follow through the older tomb kings guides the but the pre shading layering on the golds feel a little bit intimidating as a beginner painter.. :)
Hey Vince, any chance you can put a note in the description warning not to prebatch this stuff? I love the mix, but I just noticed that the bottle I prebatched explored and covered a whole row of my paint rack. Seems this is a behaviour noticed by a number of others and would be worth warning people about! Love your vids! You are great!
This is so incredible. I usually avoided buying paints for specific recipe but this is something different. Only bad thing about this recipe is you can't mix it for future use. Mixed some and put it into bottle and after few months I got ground texture paint 😢
I knlw this is old but ive found if yoj cant get your hands on the pigment for the gold, use vallejo polished gold! Its almost the exact same pigment and its cheap as a one drop mixer. As always thanks Vince, making my hobby more enjoyable. Huge respect to you.
Do you mean the Vallejo game color one or the game air one? And if i may ask, would you mind showing me how it looks like with this instead of the pigments? Ultimately, assuming the mix is (VMC gold, copper, polished gold) 3:2:1, what did you add to thin it and how much of it? Especially if you airbrushed it Thank you and sorry for all the questions
Being unimpressed with the gold paint choices I was finding in my search today, I stumbled across this video. The two things that shocked me the most is just how bad some of these gold colors looked and varied right out of the bottle. The second thing that shocked me was the results of how gold this formula looks. Truly impressive and a real hidden treasure among youtube videos.
After some second guessing my choices, and my bad luck, I think I'll be buying the stuff you listen for this recipe. I bought 2 gold colours and a silver from other brands. NONE looked like the picture on the website(s), they were anything but gold (all more green-ish brown and barely any shine) and I do not have much finds just to waste them on 'test buying'. XD The few things I will need to paint gold in my sculpting and painting adventures will definitely be few, so I'd rather invest in an actual gold-looking recipe than gambling the few funds I have away for useless crap. Thank you SO much for your help!
Vince the Alchemist. I wonder how long it takes until one of the manufacturers asks you to become their consultant. You save everyone so much time and trouble. I can't express my gratitude enough and hope I'll be lucky enough to attend one of your courses in person in the future.
I just tried this after waiting a couple weeks waiting on shipping and holy smokes does this look so good! Thanks again vince my stormcast eternals are going to SHINE
Ive seen alot of comments on here and Reddit where people are not getting the result they want with this mix, just a reminder you want to mix the Metal Color paints first, then mix in the Antique Gold pigment. This always works better for me and is what he did in the video.
At first, when you said you had to return the gold nugget brooch, I was like "okay PLOT TWIST this is where Vince pulls out his pigment grinder and puts it on the desk!" I have been using the 3 drops of VMC gold + 2 drops of VMC copper since I learned about it from you, so good. This pigment puts it over the top!
I do wish my computer allowed me better visuals of the different golds, it's likely my settings combined with well metal colours. Still a very lovely video and helpful as anything. I truly think "Balthasar Gold" is just bronze - that's what I always use it for, or a type of bronze anyway. Really glad you mentioned the GS pigments that's exactly what I was wondering about when you started making your own gold. And holy god is that such a difference. It's absolutely gorgeous. I don't think I'm every going back (well except to lacquer golds in airbrush, but that's way different). It's just amazing, my jaw literally dropped at the end. Thanks so much once again!
I just got my greenstuff world order of antique gold to use with the other ingredients, I have to say, You got the perfect formula right here. This gold is amazing.
Retributor armor is still my go to for basing gold. Its color for a base for other golds, is all round good, and since I mostly do base, layer, highlight, rather than just basing one color; it really just fits my personal needs. But when I do go for a good gold: Gehenna’s gold is my out right favorite. Its a rich cherry red-gold, with a really nice glisten. Sure, its a layer paint, so its thinner than another paint by xyz company, but it’s color is not one that hasn’t been matched yet. Thank you for the vid! I still really liked your mix, may give it a try when I go to restock my paints!
Excellent work. Can't wait till you cover copper. I love the particular vibrancy and shade of Screaming bell but it takes 3 god damn coats and on Chaos thats a lot of trim to go over 3 times.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks Vince. I did my first painting here yesterday and it felt a little weird. I hadn't realized how much a familiar setting comes to play when painting, what the light is like, where all the paints are, all that. So I'll just have to keep painting and get used to all the "newness" :)
@@52Miniatures I completely get that, I've changed my area lots, but always the same phyiscal space and always slowly, so it's a boil the frog thing for me. Whenever I've been painting in a completely new space, I'm immediately unconfortable. All the best brother.
Thank You Vince, I have been using the Retributor Armour for edge details on my Sisters of Battle and it has not been as I would have wanted, always looks "too thick", so I will give this a try
Brass next? Lots of "gold" coloured armour accents were brass/latten. I'd love to see what the best single coat brass or brass recipe you've found. Thanks for your work on this.
This video inspired me to do a little experiment of my own. Instead of expensive GSW pigment, I tried some cheap, but still very finely ground Amazon generic pigment. The result of just adding a tiny bit to some otherwise low coverage Testors airbrush gold was absolutely amazing. This technique is a keeper!
Can I just say how relaxing I found this video, I have watched it only RUclips knows now many times. I have some questions if you don't mind. 1) how dose the gold recipe you used with metal color + pigment compare to the gold pigment + varnish recipe? 2) will these destroy good brushs (even with soap) as what I want to use it on the lots of intricate details on my model. 3) could you paint over silver and add a bunch of flow improver to make it act like a contrast? 4) how dose puting a wash over this effect its finish? and is there a best type, I.e citadel, inks, oils. 5) will you get better results painting over painting over gloss black? If so could you paint over metal color black steel instead and how would it affect the result? 6) the gold is my base colour and one of the colours I will be painting over is white, any advice for how to go about this?
1) I think it's better and easier to work with, but both are good. 2) Yes 3) I have never tried that, but I doubt it, it's quite opaque so that will be a challenge. 4) I never wash this, mediums over the gold ruin the finish. I apply careful glazes and targetted shading. 5) Won't make a difference. 6) Paint an opauqe mid-tone grey over those areas first and then build up to the white.
Have never found anything better than this! I have bottles labeled with Vince V Magic Gold because it is just so good :D Thanks so much for the recipe especially my Black Legion would not look that good without it :D
@@shanesmith7672 So far, attempts to pre-mix the paint and store it for a long time have unfortunately been unsuccessful. The last few dropper bottles I used weren't particularly good, so I can't say for sure whether it was the seal or the color or pigments. My impression was that the metal pigments were at least partially oxidized. Which would correspond to the manufacturer's instructions for storing the product in a dry place. So I cannot yet recommend the premix for long-term storage. I'm currently testing storage in a better bottle, but it's still too early to make a statement. I'm happy to leave a comment on this later when I have more empirical data.
I guess you won't read a comment from a year old video, but just wanted to thank you, Vince, for this recipe. Finally a gold paint that looks great! The search is over. Other than that, thank you also in general, because you have been my virtual mentor for quite a long time now. Your channel has been my main source of mini painting knowledge :) I did enjoy your older unedited video format better, though. Less views, i suppose. I get it. But nonetheless... ;)
This will definitelly help on the Protoss color scheme I'm gonna try to do, all the other gold are so dull and boring, this will make it so much better, thank you very much
more secrets from the book of Vincent! I may have to order the Metal Colour gold/copper and the green stuff pigment from overseas, always very difficult to find in NZ. The shift to metal colours as even just a base makes life so much easier. Generally I find the Scale 75 golds good for blending etc, but I usually start with Necro gold for the base, and build up with some of the other golds.
I have been trying out mixing my different gold and metal paints for so long trying to make a nice gold... Thanks for the video I will switch to your mix. Looks super nice.
Great video! Its not as good as your mix but sometimes if I just want something super quick for a small area, I cheat and use the gold Sakura pen touch paint markers. Its a pigment ink so it levels out very nicely if you put it on wet enough.. I’m not sure if it’s acrylic ink, but I’ve used it w/o any problem on top and beneath acrylic paint/primer and even with acrylic based varnish on top. The reflectivity is much higher than the acrylic paints, so it looks more real, but wouldn’t be a good choice if you’re going for a matte look.
Vince-y V the mad scientist at work. I was very curious to see what this video's outcome would be and it did not disappoint. Best of both worlds it seems with the VMC and GSW Pure Metal Pigments.
i remember you did the video on the green stuff gold pigment, i purchased 3/4 cuz the store was sold out of the antique gold. Only one store in Canada caries them and they're still sold out. but i find it works really nice. You gave me an idea to mix the gold with the copper pigments and the vallejo metal varnish.
When I first cracked open my Model Color metallic paints they seemed to work like a champ. Now not so much and I am considering taking them out of my paint collection.
You can get the pigments from GSW directly, works out at a comparable cost to buying in the UK when you take into account postage. Took about a week to arrive for me, no tax/fees.
Awesome sauce. Thank you for this!!! There's a custom necklace I wanted to buy, but I didn't quite like how the gold paint looked on it. This looks like a great solution! Would you say a glossy fixative would help boost the reflectivity? I'm planning on trying either Mr. Super Clear Gloss or Tamiya TS-79, since I saw those recommended around...
Finally had a chance to use this recipe and that shine is amazing! However the gold colour I get is not as warm as what is shown in the video, even after a few tries. I guess I have to try variations in the ingredient amounts.
I have some Adeptus Custodes Dreadnoughts to paint - will this mix kill my airbrush (and is there anything I can do to prevent that happening)? Thanks for the amazing content!
Finally got all this crazy Gold making Denmark Paint in!!!!! Time to prime and paint this weekend!!!!! Wish I could send you pics 😂. An entire Warhammer army has been bought, built, and about to be painted just because of this video 😂🙏🏽
This video is amazing. I also thought the Vallejo metal gold doesn't look quite right, but I never thought to mix in copper. I may have to buy that pigment powder and mix a bottle of gold! Thank you!
I was moderately surprised the ProAcryl ones weren't included, but just seeing the comparison of the others to the Metal Color had me go "yup, I'm just going to get some more Metal Color paints"
Fantastic. And I have all the components here to try! I was going to suggest a few other golds by Scale 75 and Pro Acryl but after seeing this I highly doubt they can compete. Great stuff.
Funny, I just picked up some VMA copper for my Death Guard (and I'm beyond impressed by how good it is) but now I can mix some VMA gold that isn't green, great for Custodes. Thanks for the tips!
3 drops Vallejo metal color gold
2 drops Vallejo metal color copper
1/128th teaspoon Greenstuff World pure metal antique gold
1 drop flow improver
saving for myself so I don't have to skim the video to come back to it. Great video!
I wonder what flow improver you're supposed to get? What is "the best?"
@@freedom2663 I think vince would say "whatever works best"
@@freedom2663 In his Paint additives video he say's he likes liqutexes flow aid
Good call.
@@unionpivo either that or Warcolours Surfactant which he also has a fondness for
I know this is an older video, but I just wanted to say that I finally got my antique gold in today and tried the recipe. It’s amazing. Cameras in no way do this paint justice. Cannot recommend highly enough
Wonderful!
Just mixed up enough of this to fill it’s own dropper bottle. The color and coverage are incredible, its leagues above other gold paints. Thank you Vince!
Watch out it gonna rust!
Has it exploded yet?
@@ToastyPappylol seriously?
@@ToastyPappydoes it really
@@ksamuel9Yeah apparently it doesn't last if you mix it together. You have to use it all up at once or it won't keep.
This reminds me of when my jewerly teacher discovered this kickass rose gold alloy, but he didn't share it. Thank you for sharing yours.
You are so welcome!
It makes me just as happy to see GSW Gold Pigments being applied in a video as when using it myself. Best gold and copper products I have found so far. Great tip with the flow improver. I mixed it with metal gloss varnish as you have recommended and it dried out very quick on hot days. Will add a drop to mix from now on
Always happy to help. :)
That is exactly my experience. The original mix drying out faster than I would like. Some kind of retarder makes sense and the fact that flow improver can add a little glossiness is only a benefit in this case.
That moment when Vince uses Tombkings shields for "testing", miniature history gold meets gold paint.
I have so many of those shields. :)
love the new way of filming, changing it up is nice. also solid vid
Thank you, I am experimenting with many different filming styles. :)
True that was great! (though it was great before too hehe) keep up the good work
I like seeing your face at the beginning. I thought it was Wednesday for a second 🤣
Been fairly new to this hobby. Got frustrated with my pot of Retributor Armor I bought before I knew any better being just a big chunk of goop and not looking awesome on my set of Chaos Space Marines I’ve been painting. Found this channel and by extension this gold recipe, and was so intrigued I had to assemble the resources… got my Vallejo metal colors and my GSW pigment in the mail finally, and WOW, this stuff is incredible. The richness of the color, the shine and reflectiveness are absolutely stunning. Amazing video, now I’m going back and binge watching a bunch of these hobby cheating videos!!!
Glad it was helpful!
I recently came across this video and finally tried it. All I can say is wow, this is by far the best gold I've painted yet.
Poorhammer 40k Brought me here.
Awesome!
It will be helpful to look up gold leafing and antiquing tutorials, such as those used to reproducing antique gold art frames and moulding.
Wood mouldings are typically underpainted with gesso primer, a red ochre or terracotta primer, and yellow ochre. The primers help with adhesion, and also smooth out the wood grain, so perhaps with miniatures they can be skipped, although I would try a thinned red ochre primer as it may help add warmth.
Yellow ochre, though, is essential for disguising finely detailed areas in wood mouldings, where it can be tricky to place gold leaf. For miniatures, it would disguise streaking when used under gold paint. Similar to a tinted primer basecoat, like residential painters use under vibrant housepaints.
Many, if not all, vibrantly coloured paints in all kinds of applications (including fine art, miniature painting, residential and commercial painting) benefit from a tinted undercoat. That is, an undercoat that is close to the final top coat, but made with an opaque base, usually white (tint) or black (shade), depending on the colour.
The opaque base will not be as vibrant as the top coat, but is close enough that it will hide streaking. Then only 1 or 2 top coats of the final colour, thinned if necessary, can be used. The amount of pigment held in vibrant paints necessarily makes them translucent and prone to streaking.
I'm curious if you've ever tried sizing and metal leaf, with sepia ink for aging, and what your results were. I've used metal leaf for jewellery, especially the tiny flakes, which are easier to apply than the squares. It's more annoying than paint, but much nicer results. I skip clear topcoats, as they just dull the finish.
One project I did a topcoat for (ceiling medallion) ended up looking like spray paint in the end. I'm thinking of trying epoxy resin, but for miniatures, that wouldn't work.
That is undoubtedly the most impressive gold acrylic I've ever seen, amazing discovery Vince.
Thank you, happy to help. :)
Started watching and wondering, "Hmm, no VMC or GSW pigments? Odd." Then... whammo - 1-2 punch!
I'm not a fan of GW/ Citidale paint. I kinda wish more of the youtube hobby painters would move away from it.
@@GarryWButler That's why Vince is a go to for paint reviews IMO. He talks about what works. Not what's popular.
I knew instantly what was coming. “These are all shit, here’s what works.” 🤣
That was my exact reaction as well lol
“Does that mean I have to get *more* pai- oh wait, I spoke too soon.”
It was all a set up. ;)
I love metallic paints and was pleasantly surprised by a Citadel paint of all things, Auric Armor. Love the new filming angle and background music.
In my experience that provides 0 cover though. You need a gazillion layers to cover larger areas and it get very crummy very quickly
Glad you enjoyed. :)
Great tutorial and couldn’t be happier with your recommended gold “recipe” Thanks as always for your time and the effort you put into all your videos!
My pleasure 😊
Wow, what an amazing result! Nice to have a literal golden nugget there to really showcase just how close (or not, rather) all these leading company "gold" products are. You'd think that someone, somewhere, somehow, one of these companies with all their resources, would have found a similar recipe or recipes to get a decent-looking gold paint on the market. I guess not! Great video as always, keep it up.
Glad you enjoyed it! And I know, it's a mystery to me, maybe it's cost? No idea.
Love the new video format Vince and this was a great one. I think you’ve mentioned before that you just typically mix this to order, but do you think there would be any issues with mixing up a batch in a dropper bottle (for ease of airbrushing)?
Seconding for visibility, I considered the same thing. Not sure if the pigments would rust, they should be the only problem. Could do the other steps and add the pigments each time but thats the main part you'd want to avoid so...
I've pre-mixed them and they separate quite fast. Vortex mixer seems to do the trick here. Not sure about rusting pigments though. My mixes are quite fresh
Nope, no issue, you could make a bottle.
@@EugenAnanin now that its been a few months, have you have any problems with the paint rusting from the pigments?
@@1killer911 I've come to the conclusion that the GSW pigments inevitably rust and ruin the paint within a few months. Tried making a bottle of Vince's recipe a few times, tried just mixing a bottle of GSW pigments + Metal Color Medium, each just turned kind of reddish brown and dull after a while.
Vince ive been watching your HC videos since you were in the high 90s and your production quality has gone such a long way. It has been a fun and very educational adventure and im very much looking forward. Over the past years ive learnt so much from you and ive grown as a painter. Thanks for your effort and i wish you all the best!
That's awesome to hear and I am always happy to help. It's been a journey.
Question: Would it be possible to premix a bottle of the stuff used at the end of the video? There's a reason why the pigments are sold without a medium?
yes you can mix a bottle of it, james wappel has done that.
Yep, you could make a large amount. :)
@@VinceVenturella how well would a mixture of that run though an airbrush? Would it require additional thinning, do you think?
@@variaphora Yeah, you would want some thinner/flow improver.
Airbrushing for some reason imbues paint with better coverage, so thinning it down is usually not an issue.
I got my pigment in the mail earlier in the week and you are right, the coverage and color is amazing. I've been having fun trying different ratios of the VMC Gold, VMC Copper and GSW Antique Gold to find the hue that I like before I brew up a big batch.
Thanks again for putting out amazing videos.
Awesome.
Thanks for this! I've been finding my gsw metal pigments quickly get a bit gooey as I paint with the various mediums I've tried (master medium, gloss varnish, pure metal color paint) so hopefully the flow improver is the missing component!
Yep, it keeps it flowing.
I'm all the way over in the US and I can see the pigment from here😉
Awesome, can't wait to try this out- thanks Vince!
Awesome! Thank you!
"Gold standard." Well played
Always happy to help.
I have grown to despise all the trims and runes on various GW models that I would otherwise love, with passages of non stop brown basecoats on each and every model for the metals. This is just what i needed as always thanks a ton Vince
Vince, how would the pro acryl gold stack up to these? I just bought a big chunk of that line thanks to your previous recommendations and my perpetual paint lust including two metallic paints and I have to say the coverage for the gold is even better than Citadel's retributor armour which was my go to
Pretty much every acrylic metallic paint that isn't VMC or the newish GSW pigments compares poorly to those paints in one facet or another or multiples.
The pro acryl metallics have good opacity but they look much worse than VMC/GSW. Think they're still using mica in the mix for the sheen and it's just too big a particle to get that next level sheen.
I’ve been mixing the pro acryl metallics with Vallejo metal color to get the flowing and coverage of Vallejo metal color and really been enjoying it
Yeah, I don't really like the Pro Acryl metals, they just don't sell for me.
My tomb kings army has been waiting for this video. Thanks as always Vince!
Always happy to help. :)
That's pretty amazing! Just wondering if that would work as well when using the copper/other gold pigments from GSW instead of the Vallejo bottles?
I imagine it would, Vince did a video mixing them with metal color varnish from vallejo as it worked really well as a medium.
@@acrylicchemist1432 Thanks mate, I'll take a look!
Yep, I have a video on just the pigment alone.
I wish I had this knowledge a couple of years ago when I painted my Custodes. That colour is perfect. Thanks for sharing!
Always happy to help.
It's worth remembering that in a medieval/fantasy setting, the gold won't be high-purity modern metals, and different gold alloys do have fairly different colours.
Not quite as different as _some_ of the paints there, but still worth noting.
Seems like that's what weathering, washing, chipping, and blending is for. To me, you should have a "pure" gold as a base to work from and then tarnish it or add inks etc to change it into a less pure gold if that's the look you're going for, rather than settle for a crappier paint that doesn't cover well and doesn't look like anything, let alone even an "impure" gold.
It's a good point, but yes, I agree with Anthony, i like having the "pure" base to work from, then modify accordingly.
The Romans frequently changed the purity of their silver. Were all societies as advanced as the Romans? No. But ancient/ medieval societies did indeed know how to smelt metal and among those they were best at were gold and silver. Could they reach our 99.99% purity? No. But they could reach very high purities. Gold and silver melt at low temperatures.
Iron and the making of steel are different that requires heat that acients and medieval metalsmiths would struggle to attain and maintain.
For a 16 ml dropper bottle:
• Vallejo gold: 7.4 g
• Vallejo copper: 4.9 g
• Greenstuff World antique gold: 1.2 g
• Flow improver: 2.5 g
Your videos are great and I learned a lot watching them. But this time there is something I must remark. Gold is never used pure, because it is to soft to work with. Therefore Gold has different colours depending on the precise alloy. Grey Gold even looks like silver. But yes, you made the gold look in a way everyone would recognize it.
Yep, you are of course right, but I like to start with the pure gold and then manipulate. :)
Im thinking of using this for my tomb kings would you bother to shade and highlight this combination? Im gonna follow through the older tomb kings guides the but the pre shading layering on the golds feel a little bit intimidating as a beginner painter.. :)
Hey Vince, any chance you can put a note in the description warning not to prebatch this stuff? I love the mix, but I just noticed that the bottle I prebatched explored and covered a whole row of my paint rack. Seems this is a behaviour noticed by a number of others and would be worth warning people about! Love your vids! You are great!
This is so incredible. I usually avoided buying paints for specific recipe but this is something different. Only bad thing about this recipe is you can't mix it for future use. Mixed some and put it into bottle and after few months I got ground texture paint 😢
Excited to try this recipe on the Morven Vahl model I'm painting to surprise my wife with :)
Have fun!
I knlw this is old but ive found if yoj cant get your hands on the pigment for the gold, use vallejo polished gold!
Its almost the exact same pigment and its cheap as a one drop mixer.
As always thanks Vince, making my hobby more enjoyable. Huge respect to you.
Happy to help.
Do you mean the Vallejo game color one or the game air one?
And if i may ask, would you mind showing me how it looks like with this instead of the pigments?
Ultimately, assuming the mix is (VMC gold, copper, polished gold) 3:2:1, what did you add to thin it and how much of it? Especially if you airbrushed it
Thank you and sorry for all the questions
Yes a follow up do you mean game color?
This is, without a doubt, the best Gold I've ever seen. Immediately buying the stuff for it lol
Being unimpressed with the gold paint choices I was finding in my search today, I stumbled across this video. The two things that shocked me the most is just how bad some of these gold colors looked and varied right out of the bottle. The second thing that shocked me was the results of how gold this formula looks. Truly impressive and a real hidden treasure among youtube videos.
Wonderful to hear and happy to help!
After some second guessing my choices, and my bad luck, I think I'll be buying the stuff you listen for this recipe.
I bought 2 gold colours and a silver from other brands. NONE looked like the picture on the website(s), they were anything but gold (all more green-ish brown and barely any shine) and I do not have much finds just to waste them on 'test buying'. XD
The few things I will need to paint gold in my sculpting and painting adventures will definitely be few, so I'd rather invest in an actual gold-looking recipe than gambling the few funds I have away for useless crap.
Thank you SO much for your help!
Great demo, very useful and it's quite revealing as to what 'they' say is gold next to a paint that comes rather close to actual gold.
Exactly. :)
Vince the Alchemist. I wonder how long it takes until one of the manufacturers asks you to become their consultant. You save everyone so much time and trouble. I can't express my gratitude enough and hope I'll be lucky enough to attend one of your courses in person in the future.
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
This TMM series is fantastic. I hope you do it for everything under the sun.
I always love a good comparison video.
This is a gem my friend...thank you for saving us all some time, frustration and cash.... keep it up VV
Always happy to help.
I just tried this after waiting a couple weeks waiting on shipping and holy smokes does this look so good! Thanks again vince my stormcast eternals are going to SHINE
Glad you like it!
Ive seen alot of comments on here and Reddit where people are not getting the result they want with this mix, just a reminder you want to mix the Metal Color paints first, then mix in the Antique Gold pigment. This always works better for me and is what he did in the video.
Poorhammer sent my hello from the future
Man brad is right that looks so much better
VMC Copper and Gold was already my go-to mix, but the addition of the GSW pigment takes it to another level. Thanks for the tip!
Happy to help. :)
At first, when you said you had to return the gold nugget brooch, I was like "okay PLOT TWIST this is where Vince pulls out his pigment grinder and puts it on the desk!"
I have been using the 3 drops of VMC gold + 2 drops of VMC copper since I learned about it from you, so good. This pigment puts it over the top!
It really does. :)
I do wish my computer allowed me better visuals of the different golds, it's likely my settings combined with well metal colours. Still a very lovely video and helpful as anything. I truly think "Balthasar Gold" is just bronze - that's what I always use it for, or a type of bronze anyway. Really glad you mentioned the GS pigments that's exactly what I was wondering about when you started making your own gold. And holy god is that such a difference. It's absolutely gorgeous. I don't think I'm every going back (well except to lacquer golds in airbrush, but that's way different). It's just amazing, my jaw literally dropped at the end. Thanks so much once again!
Yep, it's a really big difference. :)
The new format is awesome, Vince! Thank you very much for your time and all the great info you share with us!
Always happy to help. :)
I was finally able to make this recipe. I was in the UK a few weeks ago and was able to pick up the pigment. This is a sexy gold.
FANTASTIC. Do I need to PRIMER my plastic figures before doing this method?
Yes indeed.
@@VinceVenturella Sounds good. I ordered this combo so I can't wait to use this Gold on a few things.
I just got my greenstuff world order of antique gold to use with the other ingredients, I have to say, You got the perfect formula right here. This gold is amazing.
Thank you, I really love it. :)
awesome video thanks. I like the new camera angle opening.
It will come and go, I am going to try some different shooting things over the coming months. :)
Retributor armor is still my go to for basing gold. Its color for a base for other golds, is all round good, and since I mostly do base, layer, highlight, rather than just basing one color; it really just fits my personal needs.
But when I do go for a good gold: Gehenna’s gold is my out right favorite. Its a rich cherry red-gold, with a really nice glisten. Sure, its a layer paint, so its thinner than another paint by xyz company, but it’s color is not one that hasn’t been matched yet.
Thank you for the vid! I still really liked your mix, may give it a try when I go to restock my paints!
Excellent work. Can't wait till you cover copper. I love the particular vibrancy and shade of Screaming bell but it takes 3 god damn coats and on Chaos thats a lot of trim to go over 3 times.
It will factor into a few videos in the future.
Lovely! I'll be nicking this one for sure. Thank you Vince!
Happy to help brother. :) - Congratulations on the new space, it looks like it has some great potential. Can't wait to see what you make there.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks Vince. I did my first painting here yesterday and it felt a little weird. I hadn't realized how much a familiar setting comes to play when painting, what the light is like, where all the paints are, all that. So I'll just have to keep painting and get used to all the "newness" :)
@@52Miniatures I completely get that, I've changed my area lots, but always the same phyiscal space and always slowly, so it's a boil the frog thing for me. Whenever I've been painting in a completely new space, I'm immediately unconfortable. All the best brother.
Thank You Vince, I have been using the Retributor Armour for edge details on my Sisters of Battle and it has not been as I would have wanted, always looks "too thick", so I will give this a try
No issue, always happy to help. :)
I was waiting for this since i’ve seen you using this combination on the grimdark canoness ❤️. Love the resoult!
Glad you like it!
Vince, you solved my hunt for a True Metallic Gold. Thank you.
Awesome
Brass next? Lots of "gold" coloured armour accents were brass/latten. I'd love to see what the best single coat brass or brass recipe you've found. Thanks for your work on this.
I'll see what I can do.
This video inspired me to do a little experiment of my own. Instead of expensive GSW pigment, I tried some cheap, but still very finely ground Amazon generic pigment. The result of just adding a tiny bit to some otherwise low coverage Testors airbrush gold was absolutely amazing. This technique is a keeper!
Interesting!
Can I just say how relaxing I found this video, I have watched it only RUclips knows now many times. I have some questions if you don't mind.
1) how dose the gold recipe you used with metal color + pigment compare to the gold pigment + varnish recipe?
2) will these destroy good brushs (even with soap) as what I want to use it on the lots of intricate details on my model.
3) could you paint over silver and add a bunch of flow improver to make it act like a contrast?
4) how dose puting a wash over this effect its finish? and is there a best type, I.e citadel, inks, oils.
5) will you get better results painting over painting over gloss black? If so could you paint over metal color black steel instead and how would it affect the result?
6) the gold is my base colour and one of the colours I will be painting over is white, any advice for how to go about this?
1) I think it's better and easier to work with, but both are good.
2) Yes
3) I have never tried that, but I doubt it, it's quite opaque so that will be a challenge.
4) I never wash this, mediums over the gold ruin the finish. I apply careful glazes and targetted shading.
5) Won't make a difference.
6) Paint an opauqe mid-tone grey over those areas first and then build up to the white.
Brilliant awesome, would never have thought to mix the golds I have to get a better looking gold, thanks so much.
No problem 👍
This ancient gold recipe works so well. Been using it for some time now and it just looks insanely good.
Awesome. :)
This video was so timely for me! Thanks Vince for all your hard work!
Always happy to help. :)
I needed this just now! How fortunate that I saw this before I went out to buy even more crappy golds. Thanks Vin!
Happy to help!
You have literally struck gold with this video thank you !
Thank you!
Man....that is an awesome gold you made. Phenominal
Have never found anything better than this! I have bottles labeled with Vince V Magic Gold because it is just so good :D Thanks so much for the recipe especially my Black Legion would not look that good without it :D
Do they keep ok once in dropper bottles?
@@shanesmith7672 So far, attempts to pre-mix the paint and store it for a long time have unfortunately been unsuccessful. The last few dropper bottles I used weren't particularly good, so I can't say for sure whether it was the seal or the color or pigments.
My impression was that the metal pigments were at least partially oxidized. Which would correspond to the manufacturer's instructions for storing the product in a dry place.
So I cannot yet recommend the premix for long-term storage.
I'm currently testing storage in a better bottle, but it's still too early to make a statement. I'm happy to leave a comment on this later when I have more empirical data.
Ask, and we receive, thanks for the breakdown Vince. Very helpful.
No problem, happy to help. :)
I guess you won't read a comment from a year old video, but just wanted to thank you, Vince, for this recipe. Finally a gold paint that looks great! The search is over.
Other than that, thank you also in general, because you have been my virtual mentor for quite a long time now. Your channel has been my main source of mini painting knowledge :)
I did enjoy your older unedited video format better, though. Less views, i suppose. I get it. But nonetheless... ;)
Glad you enjoyed this! I always see all the videos. Yeah, the older format was way easier, but yes, harder for views.
This will definitelly help on the Protoss color scheme I'm gonna try to do, all the other gold are so dull and boring, this will make it so much better, thank you very much
This video alone has earned my subscription
Awesome! Glad to have you along on the hobby journey. If there's anything you need, I am happy to help. :)
more secrets from the book of Vincent!
I may have to order the Metal Colour gold/copper and the green stuff pigment from overseas, always very difficult to find in NZ. The shift to metal colours as even just a base makes life so much easier.
Generally I find the Scale 75 golds good for blending etc, but I usually start with Necro gold for the base, and build up with some of the other golds.
It's worthwhile. :)
I have been trying out mixing my different gold and metal paints for so long trying to make a nice gold...
Thanks for the video I will switch to your mix. Looks super nice.
Happy to help. :)
some questions. 1: how do you mix this up in large batches for say custodes? 2: what other colors do you use to highlight this for custodes
You can't mae it too large, but just a larger cup or ramican will do for a single painting session.
Great video! Its not as good as your mix but sometimes if I just want something super quick for a small area, I cheat and use the gold Sakura pen touch paint markers. Its a pigment ink so it levels out very nicely if you put it on wet enough.. I’m not sure if it’s acrylic ink, but I’ve used it w/o any problem on top and beneath acrylic paint/primer and even with acrylic based varnish on top. The reflectivity is much higher than the acrylic paints, so it looks more real, but wouldn’t be a good choice if you’re going for a matte look.
Grabbed everything for this recently for the new seraphon drop. Super excited to try this!
Vince-y V the mad scientist at work. I was very curious to see what this video's outcome would be and it did not disappoint. Best of both worlds it seems with the VMC and GSW Pure Metal Pigments.
You got it.
You Vince are a genius, I will have to try this mixture.
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
i remember you did the video on the green stuff gold pigment, i purchased 3/4 cuz the store was sold out of the antique gold. Only one store in Canada caries them and they're still sold out. but i find it works really nice. You gave me an idea to mix the gold with the copper pigments and the vallejo metal varnish.
Excellent.
man you should make a cheat sheat of all these secret combos for your pateron! that gold mix is amazing
So many puns. So good final effect. Thank you, good sir!
When I first cracked open my Model Color metallic paints they seemed to work like a champ. Now not so much and I am considering taking them out of my paint collection.
Yeah, they aren't good, sadly.
What would you add to this to make it rose gold? Add more Vallejo Metal Color Copper? Add copper pigment?
Yep, either of those would work for sure.
Interesting, thanks for the tip Vince. Shame GSW Antique Gold appears to be out of stock online in the UK today!!
Tamiya X-31 Titan Gold is my go to. I'd be interested to see if Vince includes it in a forthcoming non-acrylic gold test and how it stacks up.
You can get the pigments from GSW directly, works out at a comparable cost to buying in the UK when you take into account postage. Took about a week to arrive for me, no tax/fees.
Hopefully it will be back soon. :)
That was something i was going to try cause i’m a Metal Color lover. Just a confirmation. Thankyou Vince!
Thank you, always happy to help.
Great video! ordered Retributor Armour and your unique gold's ingredients, thanks!
Glad you like them!
Finally got all the ingredients!! Gonna check it out tonight. Thanks for the tip!
Have fun! :)
Awesome sauce. Thank you for this!!! There's a custom necklace I wanted to buy, but I didn't quite like how the gold paint looked on it. This looks like a great solution! Would you say a glossy fixative would help boost the reflectivity? I'm planning on trying either Mr. Super Clear Gloss or Tamiya TS-79, since I saw those recommended around...
I'm not sure it would boost anymore, less it was really high gloss, but it could work.
You just costed me a bunch of money but, OH BOY, am I happy now. So smooth, I went from dreading painting TMM to anticipating painting it ^^'
Awesome. :)
I love the comment about not painitng it brown. That's why I mostly swapped to liquid gold from Vallejo but that's sadly not a acrylic
Yep, I just don't have the patience for that.
Finally had a chance to use this recipe and that shine is amazing! However the gold colour I get is not as warm as what is shown in the video, even after a few tries. I guess I have to try variations in the ingredient amounts.
I have some Adeptus Custodes Dreadnoughts to paint - will this mix kill my airbrush (and is there anything I can do to prevent that happening)?
Thanks for the amazing content!
You can absolutely use it through the airbrush with the standard thinner/flow improver.
@@VinceVenturella Much appreciated!
Finally got all this crazy Gold making Denmark Paint in!!!!! Time to prime and paint this weekend!!!!! Wish I could send you pics 😂. An entire Warhammer army has been bought, built, and about to be painted just because of this video 😂🙏🏽
Awesome
This video is amazing. I also thought the Vallejo metal gold doesn't look quite right, but I never thought to mix in copper. I may have to buy that pigment powder and mix a bottle of gold! Thank you!
Always happy to help.
I was moderately surprised the ProAcryl ones weren't included, but just seeing the comparison of the others to the Metal Color had me go "yup, I'm just going to get some more Metal Color paints"
Fantastic. And I have all the components here to try! I was going to suggest a few other golds by Scale 75 and Pro Acryl but after seeing this I highly doubt they can compete. Great stuff.
Yeah, this is just the best, I have tried them all. :)
Funny, I just picked up some VMA copper for my Death Guard (and I'm beyond impressed by how good it is) but now I can mix some VMA gold that isn't green, great for Custodes. Thanks for the tips!
Loving the Tomb King shields in there! 😁
Always a good time to use them. :)