The amount of effort that went into this video is insane! So cool to follow along with the graphics and explanations, and statistics. I cannot fathom how long this must have taken, but it shows, and works! Also @ 32:56 - Brian: "It's anyone's game!", favor to win: "I don't think so, buddy."
I learned to play backgammon in Turkey while in the Navy. Bought a game in the Exchange, and it was the exact one Brian has. When I got out of the Navy and went home, in 76, I started going to a bar that had multiple backgammon tables and we'd play for drinks. That escalated. The doubling cube can run a $2 bet game up to $128 pretty darned quick. Also, a good grasp of the odds of rolling certain numbers can help a lot! p.s. Still have that game...just checked!
We need more Modern Rogue videos that are overlaid with statistics for the purposes of mathematically quantifying the exact extent to which the guest is talking out of their ass.
Ah, we always played that when bearing off, you have to roll the exact number to move it in, no overflow. I like it better that way, makes the endgame more tense.
I am truly ashamed with the amount of people talking about how poorly CJ helped Jason. People are commenting as if he is supposed to play *for Jason or as if he is a GM/computer. He played the game and knows the rules. He wasn't there to be a resident expert, just to play along and help Jason understand the rules. I don't understand the hate seeing a leather worker/illusionist not be a perfect backgammon player. Great video and the overlays were fantastic. I would love to see CJ in more episodes and maybe you can learn some more board/card games.
I'm 70 and just found your Channel... Huge thanks. Not only you two playing my favorite game but on an exact copy on my board that I bought in 1978! Great channel hope to find more gems
I have one of those multi game boards (chess, checkers, backgammon) and I never knew how to play backgammon and the written instructions were always so hard to understand but now with this I can slowly start figuring out how to play!
In the 4th grade, we played backgammon for a couple weeks as part of our unit on probability! Everyone got good at the calculations because knowing where your opponent is most and least likely to land means you're more likely to win! Never leave a singleton 7 spaces from an enemy piece!
I had loved this game. I once had a kit, but have broken off the carry handle and lost the brown die and cup. Definitely would like to get into it again.
Love backgammon. Been playing it for over 30 years with friends. Good tutorial on playing but they've missed a lot of the strategy. Its a common tactic to block pins in your opponents home to cause them trouble with getting home. You can also set up a block on every one of your home pins, then take a piece - your opponent then has to sit back and watch you play as they cant move until you free up a position for them. And then we get into the doubling dice, scoring and betting :D Edit: also if you clear your pieces while your opponent still has pieces outside their home then you get a "back gammon". It's worth bragging rights even if you're not keeping scores :)
Where were you guys 18 years ago when I really needed this? Not only did I absolutely learn to play but I picked up the basic key strategies and had a blast. You need to do more videos like this!
I prefer playing without the “beginner’s mercy” rule of allowing overflow, having to roll the Exact values to bank a tile can Really make things interesting
Did you know that a Backgammon set was found on the Mary Rose (sunk Henry VIII warship)? And that BackGammon has its roots back to one the earliest recorded board games: The Royal Game of Ur (a remarkably similar race game dated 2600 BC).
I love playing Ur! And I can tell you, chase games all have a similar vibe, and are a lot of fun to play with people you don't mind showing your competitive side to. You can often help new people understand the point of the game by saying "it's kind of like Parcheesi" and they get it instantly. :)
GNU backgammon is so cool it lets you tilt the dice luck. There is nothing better than setting up strong CPU opponent with bad luck and try beating it.
I didn’t think I would like the “busy” screen with the odds to win and beat move features, but the more I watched that compared to what they were playing, really added to the video. Nice job guys!
@@nephicus339 Fun fact Jason runs a D&D campaign on a separate channel called The Strangerous. It doesn't have Brian but it does have him, Annaliese, and Grant Davis. It also has two people who I don't believe have been on the modern rogue. I highly recommend checking it out. It's been a ton of fun to watch
Have to disagree with Brian's miscounting as not affecting the game. He would have been leaving a blob on point 2 when Jason rolled a 1 earlier, meaning he would have had more time to get his pieces home. though Brian rolling 4 doubles across the game pretty much made it inevitable.
Me watching this video for the first time having never played backgammon: “makes sense to me” Me watching this video after a year of serious backgammon study because of this video, seeing a move I’d have made last year: “that’s a huge blunder. What a loss of equity. Where’s your outer board control!!?”
So someone else might point this out, but if you assume the same rolls. Brains miss count could have made a difference. Though different choices might have been made, if not, there is a point where Brian would have a single checker and Jason would have been able to send it to "space jail". They were just learning and mistakes happen, just figure I'd point that out.
This video was a lot of fun to watch. I only learned to play backgammon this year from one of those backgammon game apps. It seems like the hardest part of the game is learning the rules. 😅
Honestly I did not really understand this game at the beginning, however after watching you play it I feel like I'm prepared to challenge anyone, looks really fun
The game, at its' core, is a race. It is not a game of luck, but a game of position & probabilities. Early game one is obligated to take risks & place his/her checkers in positions to create good points & particularly in each home's board. Because the early game entails each side not having a strong home board it is essential to take said risks to develop a position which can generate more wins to include using the cube to cash. Playing this way (non-safe if you will) allows for more dice rolls to be more useful. There is no control over what you roll, just how you play each roll. Stacking your checkers on a few points is a recipe for disaster & will, almost, always lead to defeat...against a competent opponent, of course. Backgammon is a beautiful, yet cruel game. One can make the correct play & lose, while making the wrong play & win. The key to success is consistently playing correctly based on the top 'bots' Extreme Gammon (XG) & GNU (a free program). Watching the pros online is a great way to improve, but playing is the most rewarding & fun...as long as one can handle losing. :)
I had a game for the Nintendo ds when I was a kid called Clubhouse Games where there was a mode where you had to complete certain "missions" while winning a certain game. There was one mission for backgammon that required you to win while your opponent still had pieces on your home board. Not only did I suck at backgammon, but I had no idea how to complete that mission. I got game for emulator on 3ds today and started practicing.
That’s Brandt Hughes! He’s been the mastermind behind how Modern Rogue looks and sounds. @EmergentBeacon is his new project with even more amazing explainers and videos 👀 -bc
in turkey its called “tavla“ and you can see every 50+ and 40+ playing the game there is a tradition if you lose the first game of a day drinks on you and you have to hold the board under your armpit as a symbol of defeat so it was fun watching
I like that Jason and Brian both coach each other, even though they are opponents, so that they both make the best possible moves (within their limited knowledge). Also, they allow take backs (I've never played, but I have played competitive chess, and some players are very touchy about the "you touched it, you have to move it" rule). I just might play some backgammon soon.
While I appreciate all the time and effort put into making the overlay. It was so distracting for me that I literally couldn't keep watching. Kinda like having pro MotoGP racer commentary at a msf beginner course.
Playing backgammon like this roughly equates to playing checkers...fun, but relatively simple....playing with a doubling cube transforms the game into a high tension strategy game that is much more complex... generally it involves gambling, but regardless it's much more engaging I think ..I recommend it!
Man, we be killing Acey Deucey! How we play is, you have to roll Acey Deucey or doubles to start and the same if you get put on the bricks (jail). And if you roll Acey Deucey, after you make your 1 and 2 move, roll one dice, and whatever the dice reads, that's your four piece move. I never heard of choosing any four that you want.
I got a flood of memories of my grand parents' cottage when I was itty bitty. Backgammon was pretty popular amongst the fam back in the 90's Canadian cottage life. Table Shuffleboard, too!
They were hanging out and wanted to play board games, but forgot how. "Guys, what you doing, just record you practicing before you play, it'll be great, they'll never know."
Hey guys. I've literally watched every video of yours. It got me through a very difficult time in my life. I had to check, it randomly unsubbed me, and now I'm not getting notifications for your page. I guarantee I'm not alone, if your viewership is going down.
Fun fact, at least in Monopoly, there's a rule that f*ck ups are legal. If someone makes a mistake, and nobody catches it at the time the mistake was made, it is retroactively considered legal, and play continues as normal. This is to prevent people from pointing out any mistakes that may or may not have been made multiple turns ago and forcing play to revert to a more favorable position.
14:25~ 14:34~ It's like: *"I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL!!!!!!!!* *I'M SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* *WHAT IS IT?!!!* *HOW AM I SPECIAL?!!!"* 32:40~ 32:47~ Mumbler's Law placed: One must mumble when bearing off overflow.
My family had a nice backgammon set but no one knew how to play. I kept buying backgammon sets hoping they would have instructions. I ended up with like 5. I eventually gave up. Thank you Modern Rogues.
This is a great avenue for the rogue to go down, play shogi, go, carrom, just these old ass board games that have entertained for thousands of years, very much in line with the gentlemen aspect of the rogue lol
You know we're getting old when Brian and Jason start playing backgammon
And they make it look fun😂 board games and card games always seemed boring to me...but now its my favorite way to get my social fix
Okay, shakespeare...😂
Finally, a modern rogue video with practical, life-saving advice....right on time as well, I needed to learn backgammon specifically right now.
I can’t even count the amount of times that I’ve needed to play backgammon for my very life.
Backgammon for your soul in a deal with the devil, watching modern rogue to learn to play it
Are you in a saw trap?
Trying to win 5 bucks from my grandpa. This is super helpful!
@@pmc1727IM ALSO TRYING TO WIN FIVE BUCKS FROM YOUR GRANDPA!
The amount of effort that went into this video is insane! So cool to follow along with the graphics and explanations, and statistics. I cannot fathom how long this must have taken, but it shows, and works!
Also @ 32:56 - Brian: "It's anyone's game!", favor to win: "I don't think so, buddy."
"I have a slight advantage"
The advantage in question:
I learned to play backgammon in Turkey while in the Navy. Bought a game in the Exchange, and it was the exact one Brian has. When I got out of the Navy and went home, in 76, I started going to a bar that had multiple backgammon tables and we'd play for drinks. That escalated. The doubling cube can run a $2 bet game up to $128 pretty darned quick. Also, a good grasp of the odds of rolling certain numbers can help a lot! p.s. Still have that game...just checked!
turkey is the home for backgammon addiction. you're welcome xd
32:57 "It may not look like it, but now it's anyone's game!
*_Favor to win: 99%_*
As a Greek (and I am sure that's the same for my fellow Balcaners, for Turks and for Arabs) this video was truly entertaining!!!
I wonder if Arabs or Balcaneers Turks etc play the 3 games we do and or /if they have other they play . i would love to learn more games to play
@@Nobodyfromnowhere42 They probably have the same basic 3, among many lesser known ones, the same way we have vatrachakia, assodio, etc.
hmmm.... i wonder how we can tell you're greek...( i actually like the way greek writing looks)
Evet
As a Greek too, now I know what you mean. CJ isn’t even that good.
We need more Modern Rogue videos that are overlaid with statistics for the purposes of mathematically quantifying the exact extent to which the guest is talking out of their ass.
That's a pretty good way to ensure no guest wants to join us.
@@ModernRogue bro 100% you had some dice man lol why u do him like that
@@ModernRogue YT is full to the brim with wonderful business advice!
Last time I was this early youtube had a different icon!!!!!
Ah, we always played that when bearing off, you have to roll the exact number to move it in, no overflow.
I like it better that way, makes the endgame more tense.
the overlay was really great and i want to extend my greatest salutations to the editor for making it and the commentary
Brian and Jason finally got old and started playing Backgammon
I am truly ashamed with the amount of people talking about how poorly CJ helped Jason. People are commenting as if he is supposed to play *for Jason or as if he is a GM/computer. He played the game and knows the rules. He wasn't there to be a resident expert, just to play along and help Jason understand the rules. I don't understand the hate seeing a leather worker/illusionist not be a perfect backgammon player. Great video and the overlays were fantastic. I would love to see CJ in more episodes and maybe you can learn some more board/card games.
Yeah, statistics and wisdom via experience are two very different languages.
Coaching was so good even the high camera was nodding in agreement
I'm 70 and just found your Channel... Huge thanks. Not only you two playing my favorite game but on an exact copy on my board that I bought in 1978! Great channel hope to find more gems
Welcome aboard!
I have one of those multi game boards (chess, checkers, backgammon) and I never knew how to play backgammon and the written instructions were always so hard to understand but now with this I can slowly start figuring out how to play!
It's easy. And fun with a little trash talking. 💯
now we all just have to find that 1 other person in the state that actually wants to play it.
In the 4th grade, we played backgammon for a couple weeks as part of our unit on probability! Everyone got good at the calculations because knowing where your opponent is most and least likely to land means you're more likely to win!
Never leave a singleton 7 spaces from an enemy piece!
Lol I always saw this under my chess board, I wondered how to play and what it is even called, but luckily you guys posted this!
I had loved this game.
I once had a kit, but have broken off the carry handle and lost the brown die and cup. Definitely would like to get into it again.
Love backgammon. Been playing it for over 30 years with friends. Good tutorial on playing but they've missed a lot of the strategy. Its a common tactic to block pins in your opponents home to cause them trouble with getting home. You can also set up a block on every one of your home pins, then take a piece - your opponent then has to sit back and watch you play as they cant move until you free up a position for them. And then we get into the doubling dice, scoring and betting :D
Edit: also if you clear your pieces while your opponent still has pieces outside their home then you get a "back gammon". It's worth bragging rights even if you're not keeping scores :)
I play Backgammon all the time! Love the game. I have my dad's old case from the 70s and just played this last weekend.
This game is massive amongst the older generation in Lebanon. I finally get a chance to be my grandfather now
It's the circle of life.
Where were you guys 18 years ago when I really needed this? Not only did I absolutely learn to play but I picked up the basic key strategies and had a blast. You need to do more videos like this!
I have owned that exact same looking case. have not played in over a decade. no one else I know wants to play it anymore
Loved the "it may not look like it, but it's anyone's game" while the favor to win is at 99% LOL
I prefer playing without the “beginner’s mercy” rule of allowing overflow, having to roll the Exact values to bank a tile can Really make things interesting
I love this video because it got me into a new obsession, but after putting about a hundred hours in I now realize how iffy the play was lol.
Had some criticism of the channel lately, but you all are putting out a good amount content again. Keep it up guys!
Did you know that a Backgammon set was found on the Mary Rose (sunk Henry VIII warship)? And that BackGammon has its roots back to one the earliest recorded board games: The Royal Game of Ur (a remarkably similar race game dated 2600 BC).
I love playing Ur! And I can tell you, chase games all have a similar vibe, and are a lot of fun to play with people you don't mind showing your competitive side to. You can often help new people understand the point of the game by saying "it's kind of like Parcheesi" and they get it instantly. :)
@@Just_Sara Yea that's how I learned to play the game. I was like, "oh so this is basically Ludo/Parcheesi but just a little more sophisticated."
зашел на ютуб видео посмотреть, а там MODERN ROGUE в нарды играют
23:16 I was scared for a second and thought you guys were about to let an illegal move like that go unnoticed. I'm so glad you guys owned up to it. 👍
GNU backgammon is so cool it lets you tilt the dice luck. There is nothing better than setting up strong CPU opponent with bad luck and try beating it.
I love how the thumbnail is an impossible situation to get into while playing
I didn’t think I would like the “busy” screen with the odds to win and beat move features, but the more I watched that compared to what they were playing, really added to the video. Nice job guys!
Last time I was this early youtube had a different icon and channel was called scam school!!!!!
Honestly these videos when y'all just play a game are some of my favourites
I still want a Modern Rogue D&D game; even if it's just a one-shot.
@@nephicus339 Fun fact Jason runs a D&D campaign on a separate channel called The Strangerous. It doesn't have Brian but it does have him, Annaliese, and Grant Davis. It also has two people who I don't believe have been on the modern rogue. I highly recommend checking it out. It's been a ton of fun to watch
we need to learn how to play mahjong! especially if its with so-han!!!
Have to disagree with Brian's miscounting as not affecting the game. He would have been leaving a blob on point 2 when Jason rolled a 1 earlier, meaning he would have had more time to get his pieces home. though Brian rolling 4 doubles across the game pretty much made it inevitable.
you can follow strategy all you want but the luck of the dice can be brutally against you no matter what
Me watching this video for the first time having never played backgammon: “makes sense to me”
Me watching this video after a year of serious backgammon study because of this video, seeing a move I’d have made last year: “that’s a huge blunder. What a loss of equity. Where’s your outer board control!!?”
So someone else might point this out, but if you assume the same rolls. Brains miss count could have made a difference. Though different choices might have been made, if not, there is a point where Brian would have a single checker and Jason would have been able to send it to "space jail". They were just learning and mistakes happen, just figure I'd point that out.
I wanna learn and even if i learn it, i won't be able to win over my dad.
Can't remember if he won the Danish the Championship but he participated.
Backgammon is basically a Turkish national sport but y'all play it very "differently"(derogatory)
Why did Spider-Man's evil twin fail his driver's test?
He was a bad parallel Parker.
This video was a lot of fun to watch. I only learned to play backgammon this year from one of those backgammon game apps. It seems like the hardest part of the game is learning the rules. 😅
0:40 I’m kinda digging the hipster Brian look, maybe bring the spikes back wasn’t a mistake
Backgammon and cricket are two things that have been explained to me by people who know it well, and i still dont quite understand. Lol
Brian cheating actually did affect the game because Jason would have used his 1 roll on the 4 and 1 roll to get the 1 white on home 2
Honestly I did not really understand this game at the beginning, however after watching you play it I feel like I'm prepared to challenge anyone, looks really fun
Perfect blend of casual and hardcore board gaming here…anyone can enjoy backgammon.
This video is basically CJ playing a game of Backgammon against himself...
The game, at its' core, is a race. It is not a game of luck, but a game of position & probabilities. Early game one is obligated to take risks & place his/her checkers in positions to create good points & particularly in each home's board.
Because the early game entails each side not having a strong home board it is essential to take said risks to develop a position which can generate more wins to include using the cube to cash.
Playing this way (non-safe if you will) allows for more dice rolls to be more useful. There is no control over what you roll, just how you play each roll. Stacking your checkers on a few points is a recipe for disaster & will, almost, always lead to defeat...against a competent opponent, of course.
Backgammon is a beautiful, yet cruel game. One can make the correct play & lose, while making the wrong play & win. The key to success is consistently playing correctly based on the top 'bots' Extreme Gammon (XG) & GNU (a free program).
Watching the pros online is a great way to improve, but playing is the most rewarding & fun...as long as one can handle losing. :)
Hearing them strategize their moves and still seeing “very bad” appear on screen is funny
My grandma has played this game faithfully every day for as long as i can remember this game is going to have a special place in my heart one day.
1:25~6:06 Basics to Backgammon
14:40~14:54 Rolling Doubles
23:30~23:51 Brian Miscounts His Moves
23:51~25:12 Advertisement Break
28:10~29:05 Bearing Off
Greetings from the Netherlands
I had a game for the Nintendo ds when I was a kid called Clubhouse Games where there was a mode where you had to complete certain "missions" while winning a certain game. There was one mission for backgammon that required you to win while your opponent still had pieces on your home board. Not only did I suck at backgammon, but I had no idea how to complete that mission. I got game for emulator on 3ds today and started practicing.
CJ is probably thinking how to make his own board. I love backgammon
My late grandfather taught me how to play as a kid, but I've forgotten it by now. Was nice to relearn, maybe I'll pick it up again. Good vid, guys.
Whoever did the voice and explanation at the beginning did a great job!
That’s Brandt Hughes! He’s been the mastermind behind how Modern Rogue looks and sounds. @EmergentBeacon is his new project with even more amazing explainers and videos 👀 -bc
Got that board at home
years of playing this with my father, god rest his soul. Best memories EVER!!!
Always love it when Brandt shows up.
I remember learning how to play backgammon with my mum using this board game collection for Windows XP.
Do Go next! The samurai game of strategy, I think that would be awesome!
Japanese rogue unit and nerd rogues unit! We gotta see this!
I think chess and _shogi_ comes first. _Go_ is quite advanced even for the average person, let alone the rogues out there.
And now I know everything I need to get started. And whenever a piece gets captured, I will shout "Klarthnaar," as backgammon etiquette demands.
in turkey its called “tavla“ and you can see every 50+ and 40+ playing the game there is a tradition if you lose the first game of a day drinks on you and you have to hold the board under your armpit as a symbol of defeat so it was fun watching
Okay now, can we get a video on crib?
I like that Jason and Brian both coach each other, even though they are opponents, so that they both make the best possible moves (within their limited knowledge). Also, they allow take backs (I've never played, but I have played competitive chess, and some players are very touchy about the "you touched it, you have to move it" rule).
I just might play some backgammon soon.
In backgammon you're allowed to move the pieces around until you have taken your dice off the board.
I haven’t played backgammon since college. It was fun to see.
Please do “Go: how to play and how to win” next 🙃
Ah, now that is a game I know something about
I think chess and _shogi_ should come first... _Go_ has all kinds of advanced moves that even the average person can't understand.
While I appreciate all the time and effort put into making the overlay. It was so distracting for me that I literally couldn't keep watching. Kinda like having pro MotoGP racer commentary at a msf beginner course.
OMG I had that same kit when I was around that age too!!!! My grandparents had it. I wish I knew where it went.
Bring back desperate defense and rapid response week.
Playing backgammon like this roughly equates to playing checkers...fun, but relatively simple....playing with a doubling cube transforms the game into a high tension strategy game that is much more complex... generally it involves gambling, but regardless it's much more engaging I think ..I recommend it!
Man, we be killing Acey Deucey! How we play is, you have to roll Acey Deucey or doubles to start and the same if you get put on the bricks (jail). And if you roll Acey Deucey, after you make your 1 and 2 move, roll one dice, and whatever the dice reads, that's your four piece move. I never heard of choosing any four that you want.
I got a flood of memories of my grand parents' cottage when I was itty bitty. Backgammon was pretty popular amongst the fam back in the 90's Canadian cottage life. Table Shuffleboard, too!
They were hanging out and wanted to play board games, but forgot how. "Guys, what you doing, just record you practicing before you play, it'll be great, they'll never know."
Hey guys. I've literally watched every video of yours. It got me through a very difficult time in my life. I had to check, it randomly unsubbed me, and now I'm not getting notifications for your page. I guarantee I'm not alone, if your viewership is going down.
Great timing! Grandpa started teaching my nephew how to play and he wants to challenge Auntie!
"It's really anyone's game," says Brian, with a 99.34% favor
Those dice smell like trick dice.
What about how to play the Royal Game or Ur ? as it s really close to Backgammon.
royal game of ur, cant even type well....
Love that game
Fun fact, at least in Monopoly, there's a rule that f*ck ups are legal. If someone makes a mistake, and nobody catches it at the time the mistake was made, it is retroactively considered legal, and play continues as normal. This is to prevent people from pointing out any mistakes that may or may not have been made multiple turns ago and forcing play to revert to a more favorable position.
Is there a big difference between Backgammon and Mancala?
I have actually always wanted to learn this game, and what better way than two choochs teaching me! finally!!
32:58 'it really is anyone's game'
overlay: 99.34% favor to win for brian brushwood
My uncle plays Backgammon for money and this video is timed perfectly as there is a major backgammon tournament in Ohio next month
14:25~ 14:34~
It's like:
*"I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL!!!!!!!!*
*I'M SPECIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
*WHAT IS IT?!!!*
*HOW AM I SPECIAL?!!!"*
32:40~ 32:47~
Mumbler's Law placed:
One must mumble when bearing off overflow.
You see the fundamentals of backgammon are actually easily acquired by heavy drinking.
My father and one of my cousins would play each other weekly, religiously. They would play for a couple hours at a time.
Every 7 klarfnar is called a zoot, first player to three zoots gets a backgammon and wins the round
My family had a nice backgammon set but no one knew how to play. I kept buying backgammon sets hoping they would have instructions. I ended up with like 5. I eventually gave up. Thank you Modern Rogues.
I remember my parents bought me a set when I was a kid. But even with the instructions that it came with. None of it made any sense.
Never played backgammon (even though my family always had a set) but i used to play mancala which is a similarly ancient game
This is a great avenue for the rogue to go down, play shogi, go, carrom, just these old ass board games that have entertained for thousands of years, very much in line with the gentlemen aspect of the rogue lol
Thank you for promoting this wonderful game!
I love how CJ is always objectively wrong (according to the engine) with all of his advice
Заходишь на канал modern rogue посмотреть, как взрослые мужики делают себе больно, а тут армяне в нарды играют
As a greek I approve this message👍
All I can think of with the "space jail" moves, is "Pretty Sneaky, Sis"
Was that a Duck I heard towards the end, I legit can't tell and if you don't cook you don't know what duck I speak of.