This student kept RUNNING away and made me RAGE! Challenger Coaching
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- I went tough on this student but he took it well and understood why. He was a good sport and it ended up being a great session!
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WHY IS MY CLIENT MISSING EVERY CS!?!? this shit is too funny
LMAO
I really like how he keeps asking for future questions. It seems like he really wants to get the maximum out of his coaching.
He should be careful to first fix the small mistakes he does, before he dives into the big macro.
u are rigt but its still nice to see that he rly wants to learn and get better
imo he needs to first learn how to last hit minions better, thats where i would start
I really liked the point you made at the end, "it doesn't matter if you're iron or challenger, just have fun"
idk, that mentality is what gets people first timing champions in ranked and feeding. have fun in normals sure.
@@naiustheyetti that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. The only reason to play a game is because you enjoy it. You don’t have to first time a champ in ranked to have fun. If you’re doing that, then the fun you’re having isn’t in playing ranked, it’s in trolling your teammates. You most definitely have to be having fun to spam out the hundreds of games in ranked you need to on a small pool of champions you enjoy to improve and climb. Spamming out some bot games and PBE testing a champion pre-release is a sufficient enough metric to get you used to the champions abilities enough to try and start succeeding on a champ, or taking already established combos for a champion and practicing them in the practice tool until you get them down. Neace wouldn’t be spamming out jg Udyr this season if he wasn’t having fun playing it, and T1 wouldn’t play 3k games a season if he didn’t enjoy it.
@@naiustheyetti people who first time in ranked are most often not having fun, I can say that much
Yeah but that's what normals are for. Some people get their fun from competitive play and climbing/improving.
Should they be ruining others peoples idea for fun when there is a game thpe specifically for that?
@@googlepoodle5814 imagine having fun from ruining other people's ranked experience
"He didn't even get to move bro , he didn't even get to respond"
*Cries in ADC*
Btw Lucian was 13/0/7
Adc are so pathetic...
@@helgenlane Until you fight that tryhard vayne with good kiting and one shots u
You deserve to cry if you're adc. Or support, or PVEe'er (ie jungler).
It is easy to look at this and panic at all of the missed opportunities but remember this is someone else's' journey and it is starting in Bronze. This coaching will be a game changer once this guy has applied what Neace is trying to show him
panic?
@@fyriiee Yup. I cannot watch league without imagining what I would do in someone's shoes. Something like this can be stressful to watch for that reason
Exactly like neace was losing his shit in the video haha
@@dubiousaurus yes it’s so frustrating for me
Yeah when he ddnt instakill that lucian that wasted E I lost my mind XD.
I notice with a lot of low-elo players that they have no real conception that minions=gold. They miss so much farm and don't prioritize clearing waves. I think Neace being hard on them for that is probably the best thing for them.
sometimes, us players in silver and broonze just suck at cs we know the value but we just suck, sometimes- 💀💀💀😭😭
@@adoredelrio the easiest way to fix that, and see dramatic results instantly is to hit up the practice tool and practice last hitting for the first 10 minutes. Make sure that you’re getting at least 80. If you do that before you go into your first ranked game, it’ll also warm up your fingers. If you do that two times a day you’ll be consistently hitting at least 7cs/min every game. The Max in 10 min is 107, but if you’re consistently hitting around 100, you can try last hitting for the first 10 min w/o abilities and hitting 80. Not only that, but in a vacuum staying in lane, you’ll eventually start to see what waves you’re leveling up on and how many minions it takes until you hit a level up and what waves are cannons without having to spend much brain power on it.
@@adoredelrio yeah
@@googlepoodle5814 Yeah but the problem when I lane at least isn't last hitting, it's last hitting along with dealing with the laner. You could easily go to practice tool at get 95-100% of the cs, but when there's another laner who is throwing skillshots and dealing damage you have to work around that as well.
@@TheThumbsUpGuy I mean, depending on the lane, you either fight them over cs/lvl 2, let them push into you and farm under turret, slow push and short trade, keep the wave thin and short trade to set up a freeze, or shove.
You could literally carry 90% of bronze to silver games by just having balls
Just fight ! Chances are your opp would just run from u or fight u when u are fed ?
Accurate assessment.
I think it boils down to reading the situation. If you’re even on items weigh up time it takes to kill opponent vs him getting to his tower. Sometimes you gotta man up and do it.
Though if you’re 0-5, probably worth chilling on the ballsy plays ;)
because in bronze there are no feeders who attack ppl 4 lvls higher than them all the time?
I would win 90% of my games if ppl would pull off and not go crazy all the time.
@@BlackShotElementals being 0 and 5 is the best time to be ballsy imo. Nothing to lose at that point. All limit testing bby
I love that this guy doesn't argue with any coaching. He just accepts you know better and takes the criticism/feedback. Great guy, he'll climb
“You dont win by running!”
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Throwing your camera down to Narnia doesn't make you run faster LOL
That's why I keep my screen locked like a proper silver player.
@@bradleymoore2797 I challenge you to turn off the screen lock for 1 game and ONLY USE SPACEBAR. You will thank me later
@@yellybeam2869 Hell no. I don't play Dota 2 because LoL lock screen is far superior. Why would I unlock the screen. I might as well become a Dota 2 player if I do that.
@@bradleymoore2797 You might as well be playing League in singleplayer LMAO
@@Databat123 I have never been killed when backing or shopping because I was 'watching somewhere else'. Only time I unlock screen is to aim skillshots that go outside of screen. Otherwise, even when you have a locked screen when you hold left click on the mini map the camera will go to that spot and then when you let go you're back at your character.
I took to heart the advice about pre 5 min towers. I thought about my tendencies to over stay on a 5 min tower because I want the plate and my low damage prolongs the overstay which has leads to early deaths or poor trades as the opponent returns with an item advantage. This alone will help me with my lane presence. Thanks Neace!
so glad a video from this channel got recommended to me a long time ago, now I'm slowly correcting the mistakes I'm making in the game. Thank you NEACE!
Eyerolled so bad but in same time realize i do at least 2 bad things what he does about stepping side to side instead back and fowards and also backing of from trade when i have lead but i am afraid that i will throw game if i die.... Great showcase! Love your vids!
christian bale is officially the best league coach i've seen so far. eventho they are diving the wayne tower a bit too much for my taste they get out with very good trades!! keep that good work up!
"Let's see Paul Allen's build..."
@@BrandNewByxor KEKW
His camera control is killing me. It's sooo uncontrolled. He got himself killed so many times with his bad camera placements. 😂
1:39 I had to take a shower after watching this.
At this point, you're just a Garen coach.
He should probably bring Riste or Glacier to garen coach with him
@@yoshimitsu-fanboy7352 He isn't coaching these players to main garen though. He's fundamentally coaching them step by step starting from the easiest champs in the game. I forgot which video he stated this remark but he stated that he wants his clients(low elo/beginners)to play garen first cos garen doesn't require that much of a skill in order to be used effectively on all areas such as laning farms(csing), trades and teamfights. Furthermore to focus more on macroplay rather than microplay or mechanics since having good macroplay is much more valuable than having good microplay. Not only that but training for micro isn't that hard compared to macro and you can always train for micro/mechanics in practice tool.
Me garren me win lane
@@meliodasliones7844 Tl;dr "pick annie mid" LS
Essentially this, just play easy combo champions so you can focus on fundamentals instead.
There isn't anything to coach on the champion itself.
@@y0blue that's basically what I said so yeah
14:57 the way he clicked so much when he couldn't even see his champion 😭 "that doesn't make you run faster throwing your camera down to Narnia" couldn't stop laughing. Keep the content coming neace 🙏
"League is literally just basketball but everytime you score you get taller" brilliant analogy xDxD
He was quite the "studnet" haha
😐 bro xd
This was such a good coaching session to watch, because as a low elo player I make these mistakes all the time. The lucian miss thing is SO COMMON in low elo. The tunnel vision we lower players have is insane. Great learning moments all around in this match. I should add that Neace was NOT raging. He was supportive and shared the frustration that the player was having, he was just expressing where the player cannot because player is being coached.
this entire video was actually really helpful to watch, I dont play garen but this applies to the entire game in general
I think he just panicked when he was in a fight and flight mode turned on.
Been watching a lot of your vids since preseason, I eanked bronze this season and now im on my way to platinum, thanks to your videos... Thank you so much neace!
The best coaching content I have seen for league. Keep up the good work :)
3:14 That shit makes me frustrating AF because there are a lot of people NEACE coached and nearly every single one of them has that camera movement. Jesus christ my man, hit spacebar! And a high chance a lot of other people do this and they might be in my games 😡🤬
the enemies are just walking off his screen😂
The client sounds so sad
Because he need to win more games lol
“Worst case scenario- you feed. you’re in bronze where are you gonna go? It’s a video game, nothing matters, have fun with the game.”
10/10 line. Got me in my feels.
Number 1 coach in the game!
"yeah.."
i wanna pick this guys brain, man sounds like he has a static screen in his mind
You know you're doing shit wrong when the most calm coach starts raging at your plays.
P.S great video keep it up man!
he wasnt actually raging and neace definitely is not the most calm coach
From these coachings I see low elo players doing 2 things almost always: 1) Being scared, running away for any reason. 2) Being indecisive, pausing, wasting time. These later-game macros seem to be about quickly moving around and not wasting time.
Very excited for my coaching to learn when to peel vs kill the carry as mundo
Hey Neace, I've really been enjoying these coaching videos and have learned a lot. Your game knowledge is great, there's no question about that - but you could learn something about how to teach people. When you ridicule the person you are teaching, you actually harm their confidence and in point of fact exacerbate their tendency to hesitate. For us, the observers - it's fine, because we're not the ones being abused, but for the student; it only makes them more afraid of making mistakes, which is counter-productive to your mutual goal.
All I can say is this: If you can avoid getting tilted while you are coaching, your students are going to improve at a faster rate.
Placeholder comment until I've finished the video.
Edit: Didn't think you were too hard on the guy. All criticisms obviously merited. I'm guilty of many of these things myself as I'm a Silver 1 noob at the moment. Namely, backing off from a fight (especially if I'm going to die regardless). I might as well stay in and go down fighting and potentially take one to the grave with me. Also, I'm working on my early 1v1s top lane and with garen most people underestimate you (in my elo at least).
I did play 3 games of Garen after watching the video (Tri + Mortal Reminder SHREDS) and went 13/5/6, 12/6/7, and 5/4/4 (this game was doomed... I was the only positive KDA on the team...)
Lots of good information in this one.
Eagerly waitting for the edit ahah
My man, it's been over an hour. You good? Still watching?
@@Stalthdan I watched it then it inspired me so I started playing league. Got lost in the sauce...
15:13 “That doesn’t make you run faster, throwing your camera down into Narnia”
-NEACE
🤣
Gotta say thanks for these vids, the advice and attitude to playing the game has changed my shit around so much i actually like league now
This client just needs to play more games. They seemed a bit nervous.
@KiwiChimp and then you have the other half leroy jenkins past two towers getting no kills
Both replies are so accurate lol
19:58 lol. Good moment for me.
"You do not win by running"
- Neace 2021
hecarim thinks otherwise
@@keto3883 singed laughs with his arse
Crazy like I'm doing and still learn off these lower elo vids sometimes especially when it's for other lanes other than midlane
Wow Neace, this content was poggers, but I need to get back to telling you about the League of Legends timeline.
LMAOOO
Lmao this is from tiktok huh
The nervous laughter when coach says "you're inting too" lol
Showing him how to think if he wants to get unstuck
Hey loving the content Neace! I actually thought there was still the bug with Garen spin that didn't work with the bonus mytic attack speed but i just confirmed that it got fixed.
Again amazing coaching. Teaching people to go for backliners and poke damage is amazing advice. Took me a long time to even think of that. I always went for tanky opponents. People can take a lot out of these videos.
Tough love/teaching really works in most situations, not just league. Especially if the one being taught is tough enough to take it
There are different approaches
It has its place but often i think it's just an excuse to be a jerk.
It has its place, but I wouldn't say most situations. Classic example is teaching your son to "be a man" and to "toughen up" and they grow up to be assholes and sociopaths lol. Calm and patient is probably the approach that works best in most situations
There's a difference between telling someone what they're doing is wrong out of kindness, and dismissing and invalidating someone's emotions. Telling someone to "get over it" doesn't teach anyone to "get over it", as emotions *are not controllable*. People just become frustrated that they can't not "get over it" instead of accepting their emotions but taking actions instead. "Tough enough to take it" sounds more like "has no respect for themselves." If it's just insulting someone for being bad, sucking, telling someone to "stop jerking off" etc--that is NOT tough love--that is intentionally hurtful with the intention to shame someone or control them. Saying "this is what you did incorrectly" out of kindness and wanting someone to improve is fine. We do not have control over people--people ultimately always make a decision. Even when threated with a gun to someone's head, the person still decides if they want to take action or not. Nobody controls the thoughts, actions, and nervous system of another human. So to try and control and manipulate people's behavior and shame people's actions and emotions, that is not helpful. That just teaches people they should feel shame for themselves. That is "toxic." That holds a lot of people back, in life, in League, etc.
I like some of Neace's videos, but imo he can be toxic to clients as well. I don't have to like all of him to find value in the videos and like other aspects of him. As Bruce Lee said... “Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.”
More people should be watching this channel. I’m not even a top main and i can actually 1v9 when auto filled on it, All the stuff he teaches you would improve everyone so much, no matter which role you play. I’m glad I finally found this channel out.
Very good and calm student love how he asked questions
As an ADC main I have a question! Not sure if anybody will answer but:
At 27:20 Garen pushed top and then dipped because his base was getting rekt and the trade off of maybe getting the inhibitor and killing Lucian less valuable than losing a good portion of his base.
However after at around 28:30 NEACE said that “Lucian held for no reason” .____.
What does that comment mean? Haha I honestly would have probably done the same thing as Lucian and stayed to catch the wave and extra XP if I was also behind by 2 levels.
Sorry for the long comment 😅
19:50 best part
gotta say Neace, you are by far one of, if not the best, lol content creator i've watched. keep up the great work. always learn lots from these videos
Going to definitely watch more of these
Squishy lookin' skinny dude vs. big fat ugly dude is the best explanation of target priority I've ever heard
i also heared from riste that Mortal reminder as 2nd item is such a huge powerspike to garen's E
its like the PD but much better !
Ask that mortal reminder after triforce is what I usually do, after PD lost its shield
"Die! Go in there and die ! so you win the game!" Neace had a Erwin Smith moment lmao
Funny how the title says "RAGE" but Neace didn't call him trash or insulted at all
u can rage without insulting, u can be like ''omg dude fk this team'' but dont say it to them, actually, is better if u shut up and play, dont tilt the only 4 people who can help u win the game, u won't win alone, u CAN'T win 1 v 5 its fkin impossible, so don't tilt your team and focus on playing better yourself
Just the fact that you put out coaching lessons for free on youtube is amazing...
"Have fun with the game"
I feel more could benefit from taking this to heart. The shiny badge means nothing if you hate every second you put into getting it.
Neace do you have any clients that main support? As a support main id live to see u coach them now that its the new season.
Throwing your camera down in Narnia, those are my fav quotes
Been waiting for this
But Neace you and I seem to share the same flaw (depending on how you look at it). When we are in "work mode" we are like steamrollers. We both served in the military and have that kind of life or death mentality that saves lives in which we brought to our everyday lives. I think in this coaching session, your client did not respond well to the steamroller (for whatever reason). He reminds me of a deer in headlights. When you were ordering him and steamrolling, he kinda panicked and lost sight of how to play.
*depressed "yeah" vocalizations*
15:02
Cam: I'm gonna take my horse to the old town road, I'm gonna ride till I can't no more
actually learned a lot from this thanks neace!
I honestly learn so much from these video's man
That's... Literally how 90% of the Garens I went against who weren't over level 200 played against me (I'm new, still unranked) it's genuinely infuriating and funny
“Hes just a level 10 shaco” ..... sir my shaco would have eaten that garen at lvl 10 we may he squishy but we mobile and deadly
what's the point of bramble as an armor item when he already had grievous? Should Randuin's component not be more worth if we really want armor?
32:22 press W and live
23:13 You need to tell him to look at his map there is a skirmish going on and hes getting no info, could have saved them.
fk them, fizz was bot and lux was mid
@@korsakov319 ur wrong but okay buddy
This shit gave me so much anxiety watching him play
I think he has trouble with moving the camera well. It seems that 1) its movement speed is set too high (or too low?), or adjust mouse sensitivity 2) is "smooth camera" turned on? Also he needs to get used to center camera on the champion with spacebar
Other Coaches: "Stay in the fight next time since you'll die anyway."
Neace: "IF YOU WIN YOU'LL LIVE; IF YOU LOSE YOU'LL DIE! YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU DON'T FIGHT! SO FIGHT!"
LowEloGuy: "Got it, coach."
*Goes in, half healths Lucian with one q and then starts running away. Dies.*
Neace: "What the fuck? I SAID FIGHT! DON'T RUN!"
LowEloGuy: "Got it, coach.*
*Enemy team going for baron.*
Neace: "MY SOLDIERS RAGE! MY SOLDIERS SCREAM! MY SOLDIERS FIGHT! MY SOLDIERS ASSIST PING!"
*Ping..... ping....*
Neace: "No seriously... spam that damn assist ping like you mean it and stop this baron."
*Ping ping ping ping ping!* *Watches his low elo ape teammates spreading out across the map.*
Neace: "So, we're gonna run now."
LowEloGuy: "Got it, coach! I'm going all in!"
*Gets instantly blown up.*
Neace: "What the fuck?"
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I love that He goes wild, but that’s just how much he cares about the dude he is helping . 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
When I have teammates in my games running around like malfunctioning bots I guess this is basically what's happening in their brains, huh?
I always dont understand how none of the enemies come to ur lane like i try to push 1 wave mid and i find em coming from all sides
A concept that he must learn is “Retaliation Trade”
I've never seen this type of camera control xD.
Telling newer players to not worry about vision is actually great advice. How many low tier players even look at their map? More vision wont help them early game before they get those fundamentals.
Neace: You see that?
Client: "yeah..."
Neace: You see what I mean?
Client: "yeah..."
Neace: You see my thinking?
Client: "yeah..."
Neace: You see what I am trying to get you to do?
Client: "yeah..."
I don't want to be overly negative, but I am not entirely convinced he is in fact seeing it.
The guy is a typical bronze player, and doesn't understand some basic concepts. Will take time, and more practice, for it all to sink in. If he sticks with it, reviews his own games, and constantly seeks to learn, he'll climb easily.
I was Iron before Preseason made to Silver in Preason, now I'm at Bronze 1 on my way to Silver again. And I just using the tips he gives in these videos using Garen as my main.
Neace mentions a lot recently that for the average person who doesn't want to become a content creator or professional and only plays for fun in their free time, that getting to D4 would be "beating the game" and I agree but it makes me wonder. A lot of people say to stick to low elo champs like lux/annie/garen(for the mid lane) etc until you get to high elo. Being an Akali player myself who often has terrible games, is it worth just not even bothering with champs like yone/yasuo/akali if you can just play something like lux to get to high elo and "beat the game"?
it's all down to your own purpose and enjoyment of the game, brother. whatever works best for what you intend to get out of playing this game.
Akalis in a bad spot you either have to be insanely good or you’ll struggle. Champs like lux and Annie are easily abused in high elo. Not saying they can’t perform well, it’s just high skill cap champs outperform beginner champs when played at a high level. Play whoever is most enjoyable to you regardless of meta.
I really like this guy, he's really trying to get better at the game.. but like neace said if you're not having fun, then you're doing it wrong. Keep up the good work!
"You're in bronze. Where you going to go? Iron? Who gives a fuck."
omg, i don't know if i could ever be coached by anyone. even if you're the nicest person in the world, i would just crack under the pressure, and any time i fucked up, and you pointed it out, i would be like "IM SORRY IM SORRY IM SORRY, ILL DO BETTER" and then prob mute my mic out of embarrassment. it's weird, because even though i said all that, i am not a timid guy. for some reason, i just can't when it's over like.. discored or something.
the parking ticket in the desktop hehe
DW, evil eyes thumbnail-neace can't hurt u
Reply to this comment with your favorite timestamps :)
Definitely 19:50 then you know what happens
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35:40 Easy to forget sometimes. I get caught up getting frustrated because of this or that forgetting why I'm playing video games... to have fun.
15:14 , We all love those movie references
Love the shoutout to Riste at 15:30
Neace is sort of the same as Gordon Ramsey.. if he yells at you or raises his voice. He cares about you!
You need to explain to him what kiting / orbwalking is. he clearly doesn’t know what it is and it’s very useful mechanic that would have secured him the kill at 5:22
Neace... this was a rough one to watch... this guy has no instinct for the game. Trust me I'm trash, but this guy doesn't think for himself at all here... If you don't tell him to do something he even think about it...
i watched you coaching someone top lane with a big lead and you were yelling at them to harass the opponent while farming.. i now hear you saying "why are you letting him touch minions?" when im playing and im already winning more games lol
I like how he kept saying what is this guy doing at Sion and later got owned by the same guy lol
30:13 hurts my soul. The tunnel-vision on tanks while ignoring the mega-carries like Ryze, getting lucky on still getting on top of him only to throw it away by running.
The easiest way to hit at minimum Gold is to stop being a pansy in fights
"my team is just inting" Lmfao bro ok
Yeah coming from the dude who can't move his fucking camera
When I saw his desktop I cringed.
A simple folder marked "Rent" or "Bills" would have cleaned up so much of it into a neat consolidated folder because I doubt he needs constant access to 'august 2020 rent' 5 months later. It would make access to everything else 10,000x easier and look neater.
5 minute rule , not enough damage , just go back. Good shit !
I wish you had a highlights edit on these. Telling the guy that he is going to die and no liam neeson meme after made me actually feel bad...
no flame. when i started in season 3 and was bronze 2. I was doing all of this stuff. Just seems like theirs a huge gap in older vs newer players. went from bronze 2 to diamond 3 the second season. However i was watching trick2g to climb.
edit-
Seems like newer generations play this game for fun. This player just doesn't do basic things that should keep him in silver its weird. I feel like the skill cap was way better a couple years ago
Good coaching, keep up the good work Neace
When the Lucian e’d on him, Naut also ulterior him. He wasn’t getting on Lucian, not enough to matter