Oh boy i cant wait to see you start messing with the 224 especially when you put the racing clutch on and it really locks up especially with mods thing would really move and mods are available from what i was told from omb warehouse is that the clone arc 3.303 rod is the right rod for the 224 and the arc clone flywheels will work as well as clone cams (clearancing on the cam most likely) due to the added stroke i cant wait for my parts to get here and i can start my build im shooting for 9000 rpms
@@Black66 i saw you posted a pic and so i had to pull a couple strings i guess but i got my hands on one and honestly its this is great and all but i feel like they could have done just a little bit better and given us the full metal cam and automotive style retainers and keeps but from the looks of it isnt gonna as easily modified as the 212 by just being able to drop in a cam without clearancing and then you add a billet rod things are gonna get tight
@@madness_-yg3lw Oh Ya for sure. This engine will be just as easy to modify as the 212. The 224 has the advantage because of the "Ducar block" It's a better-quality block. For me I'm not really too concerned about the cam and stuff because it's all going to be changed out anyway as I start modifying the engine. It's a great starting point. Strong block and a 58MM stroke.
@@Black66 these 224s are gonna be some real power houses even on a mild set up im so glad they did away the the "hemi head" for these engines as non hemi in my opinion are a better option as you can run higher lift and you can always modify the head to increase cfm im gonna run a puals kart head on this 224 once i get the entire bottom end built i would hate to lose a head that cost 3xs the engine but before i get that head im gonna run a thinner head gasket and work the 224 ports
Hello!! I just retired at 60 grew up on a 2-1/2 HP Skat Kitty 2 of them back in the late 60's, went to 5 hp trailhorse boss in the early 70's and 2 Rupl Roadsters, the information you are providing us is invaluable. I certainly appreciate it and am looking forward to building top shelf mini-bikes in my retirement. Great numbers you provide thank you so much. Always loved the 5 inch street tires too much fun. Appreciate all your help, it's excellent. 👍
Black 66, just wanted to share …i just tested my ct200u with my predator 224 straight chained with 10tooth max torque clutch and stock 50 rear with stock tires and vm22mikuni, gov removal, cl1 cam,18 pound springs, 6 degree key, champion rockers, thin head gasket, and header pipe. Im at 190 pounds. Bike went 50 mph…weight makes a huge difference like u said dude!
Im getting a predator 212 non hemi tomorrow for $89 with my harbor freight cash…we will see how fast that will go straight chained on this bike with my weight…i will let u know dude👍 thanks for everything u do! Ur channel is the best!👍
I heard it has a 4k max rpm coil but so far everyone that has removed governor says it spin past just fine I'm still running mine stock on a baja warrior at 40 its plenty fast enough and take off is great lots of low end power
The 224 has a higher redline with the factory governor, which explains the extra top speed. I hope you repeat the exact same test but with the governors removed and nothing else done, see what it really ads on top end. Kinda weird that they gave a stroker a higher governed rpm...
I just picked my 224cc PREDATOR up from harbor freight for $160 because of presidents’ Day specials I am so fortunate to get it at that price and it’s all because of you my friend thank you for all the great content keep it coming for the mods on this engine I will go back and watch every video of yours thanks again!
Yeah this 224 is interesting. I would start with a 70mm flat top piston, grab a stock clone rod, double check the in the hole measurement then choose a clone billet rod and head gasket to use. Most likely a stock length clone rod. Then go from there with clearancing the block. And it would get Champion rockers no doubt. I like the legacy head. Problem is, I don't need an engine.
If your any good at soldering , you can solder the tip of throttle cable to fit a slide carb. I was impatient waiting on a new throttle cable in the mail. So … yeah I did, worked so well that I still have the new cable I ordered.👍
Just went to get a 212 for the spring sale for $119.99 but they were out of stock so I just picked up a 224 for $169.99. I threw it on my new go kart I just bought and the clutch is fully engaging at around 20mph. I run out of field before I can even hit the governor limiter. It's a little ridiculous to be honest. It has a 12 tooth clutch to a 60 tooth sprocket and 18 inch diameter wheels. I'm tempted to just go with a 10 tooth clutch and leave the pulley and honestly just leave the governor on so the engine lasts forever.
Cool cool, they also go on sale black fri , I don’t know if prices vary state to state but here in the south they where 112$ for a predator 212 I didn’t check other prices That was cheap enough I got 2 👍
I like these Longer stroked GX200 clone Engines. I use a Wildcat 223cc and man she is seriously powerful! I run them on my 16 foot long tail Mud Motor Boat and the wildcat absolutely blows away the previous engines I’ve had. (210cc Honda GX clone & Hemi Predator 212) the wildcat hands down blows them out of the water especially after I added a Robertsons torque tube looped header, a performance air filter and finally a PK 1B carburetor. I try to keep it minimal with the mods to keep my reliability but with a ductile iron crankshaft I don’t think I need to worry… I’ve never had issues ever besides the bs EPA crap I had to take off at first that was subduing the Engine and making it vibrate almost off the table! After the simple stage 1 upgrades The Wildcat breath’s great and has turned to a smooth purring kitten. (Unless I open the throttle… 😂) She has been the most reliable engine so far starts every time! Check out my RUclips channel if you’re interested in what the engine can do
Very cool, I'm running the stock engine on my Coleman CT200 EX Mini. I have a Predator 212 Hemi engine in the box that I have not used yet. The stock engine still starts on the 1st. pull and is running well. Only mod I made was to replace the stock centrifugal clutch with a Go Power Sports torque converter. It went from 18 MPH to 36 MPH and I weigh 210 lbs. I use it in the deserts of Arizona where I live and am pleased with it. Only problem I have had was a rear outer bearing on the jack shaft went out after about 5 hours use. When I replaced it with a USA made Timken roller bearing I found the stock one had never been greased! Didn't matter since i was switching to a Torque converter anyway. Good video!
Those 196 engines are pretty durable.Ya, the torque converter is better than the jackshaft. There is a video about that on the playlist. Have you checked out the Coleman CT 200ex playlist? We have tried many different combos on that bike .
Great videos thanks we have the CT200u for the grandkids and i just put on the 224 on the gocart, but now i am thinking, i have the B200rsv coming so should i rob the 224 off of the gocart and swap motors with the B200rsv the go cart is just for the grandkids so the 196 would be plenty Thanks
Hi, my son and I bought the 224 to put on our CT200u and we ran into a problem with the shaft width where we can’t put on the old torque converter. Can you tell us what clutch you used and the chain size? We’re not sure if we need a #40, 41 or 420. Thanks for the great video and really appreciate any advice.
Black 66 I have a 212 and just tried it and put the clutch on backwards like you did so I don’t have to drill holes did you just use a washer as a spacer and how many links do you have on that chain if you could respond to me I would love that I subscribed and liked to you bc I like your content and need to know things thx
Hello I really love your videos I think they’re the best mini bike vids on RUclips!! I have a question if you don’t mind. I have a Coleman RB200 is it ok to run it straight chain? I see you do. Why do some mini bikes come factory with a jack shaft? Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks ! The jackshaft is for gear multiplication to pull these bigger bikes. You can run a straight chain but with the bigger tires it is harder on the clutch .Especially if you are a heavier rider. Going straight chain will reduce low speed quickness for more top speed. You can always add a bigger rear sprocket when running a straight chain to make up some of the lost low end .
Thanks, I have 2 Coleman bikes RB100 for my son & a RB 200 for myself. We enjoy watching you channel. We want to mod our bikes but it seems like we’re spending all of our time trying to keep the Coleman engines running. We’re gonna just swap them both out with the new Predator ghost. We love the bikes just find the engines to be problematic hopefully the predators will be more reliable. Keep the videos coming 👍🏻
Yes the 224cc has a longer stroke ... But has dishes piston. Put that 212 Flat top in that 224 and watch it move then. I don't understand why they put a dished piston in them 224's ... But like I said flat top it and you got one hell of a machine.
I'm supprised that the 212 did 45 stock I can only do 43 an that's with a few mods. I think mine could be tuned better tho. Also the 224 did good stock too. I think they both came pretty close.
ok u r big into engine hop ups which is great but did u ever design a front disc brake system 4 a coleman ct200 ?? when u r going that fast there's nothing like a front brake . captain America in easy rider didn't have a front brake but your a welder and i know u can fab something up. unless u have a mini bike shop in the area it would b a hit and miss with the inter net, mins r the best thanks joe.
Hi, love your videos, keep up the good work. Wanted to ask what's the make of your Hydraulic lift and where i can buy the same one, thank you in advance
I wonder what yer acceleration would've been off you rode on the smooth part of the road instead of bouncing around on the shoulder. Same with tip speed.
I wonder how the Black Max 212cc performs? It's a Honda clone made by Ducar which have rep for kart racing engines. I haven't seen a single mini bike with one swapped and cannot find just the motor but there are power washers and such with the engine being sold for 200+-
My push mower is Black Max and has the 635 and it cuts grass and brush you wouldn't think it would and it does it with ease in one pass so makes me wonder the power and reliability of the 212
Harbor freight = 2 x year you can get predator 212 for 112$ normally 159$ 59$ cast aluminum flywheel 30$ vm 22 carb and 30$ header And you will smoke that Ducar Built stage 2 predator 212 cost less than stock Ducar If you are planning on running that engine wide open for hours the Ducar is a better choice
Question? What type clutch are you using? I have a Coleman Mini Bike with a RT200 196cc engine. I swapped out the engine for a Predator 224, and found that the 224 has a higher idle speed, which in turn had kept the original clutch engaged. Any suggestions on a different type of clutch?
The 212 would smoke the 224 They’re so close to the same size that you wouldn’t notice till you get on the top end But slide carb and header on 212 would be a Big advantage
ok now i have a few questions. is the output the same diameter on both engines , is there a big price difference between the 2, do u notice a big difference at the bottom end without a jack shaft, and do u think they could b faster after they r broken in more. also did u ride at phoenix AZ this past weekend???
The output shafts are the same on the two engines, 3/4 shaft. The big difference to me is the block. The block on the 224 is of much higher quality then the 212. It's a Ducar block. Great for future modifications. The longer stoke is awesome too. The bike loses a little bottom end without the jackshaft. I could add a bigger rear sprocket and gain some of the bottom end back. I think it might be a little faster after they break in. They were totally fresh in this test. I didn't make it to the hood ride. I will for sure try to make the next one.
I recently got 2 mini bikes,1 of em is a ct200u with a 224 on it with a torque converter kit,my problem is I hate riding it because the whole bike vibrates horribly, tears your hands up trying to hold the handle bars when riding it,anyway to fix that or is it just normal?
On a stock engine there's not going to be a difference to the rider. But once you start building the non hemi head is a better choice. Getting higher compression is easier and there's less concern for piston to valve clearance with a non hemi head. A non hemi head equipped with Champion rockers will produce more power than a hemi head. And look at the aftermarket. Very few if any hemi heads and tons of choices of non hemi heads. I wouldn't have got a 224 if it had a hemi head. I would get a hemi only if I was going to run it stock and didn't care about performance.
Staright chain is ok. A converter on one of these bikes with a warmed over 212 runs really well. Check out the CT200U playlist. If you are going to run a straight chain I would run a bigger rear sprocket than I did in this video. Maybe a 60 tooth or something like that. It is hard on the clutch with the tall tires and the stock rear sprocket .
Hey I would like to know I just bought a predator 224 and I was wondering if you just flipped the stock clutch around and it worked like that or did you have to buy a special clutch
10 tooth clutch. Links are in the description for the parts used. Check out the 224 and Coleman CT200U playlist for more combs. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/0PB16_EYCiQ/видео.html
Its running a 10/50 with the stock Coleman 19 tall tires in this video. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more gear ratios and combos with the Coleman bikes. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Hey Black 66 I have a 22mm mikuni on a 196cc when the lever is in the up position it runs good but when I put it in the down position the 196 stalls, do you have any idea's??? Help.
Make sure there isn't any leaks between the manifold and carb where they bolt together. If you bolt them together where they arn't in alignment it wont seal properly and the carb will run lean. If you take off the carb and look down the intake you will see what I mean. Here is a video link showing what im talking about. About 4 minutes into the video ruclips.net/video/xinMDBj-Pg8/видео.html
Funny how the size designation is tossed around loosely. I built a "224cc" with a Tilly block from NRracing; 72mm piston and the 55mm crank is 223.93cc... the 70mm piston and 58mm crank on this Ducar is 223.21cc, I won't loose any sleep over this...just saying 😴 (Combine a 72mm piston and a 58mm crank for 236.15cc; this stuff is getting crazy!)
I just put a 212 on motovox i did and I know everyone has already done it im behind lol but my 212 just has got deleted and mikuni carb idk if the ppl before me did anything to it or not but man this thing is fast I need to get a billet flywheel
I think they both would have done better if the motors were broke in?? fresh out the box surely takes away their full potential might have to retry again later.
I'm running a 60 tooth rear sprocket now, 6 to 1 ratio , to be easier on the clutch with tall tires. In this video I did the same thing. ruclips.net/video/avdJE34nFIU/видео.html
The Ducar block and the 58MM stroke make a great platform for future modifications. A high percentage of people that use this engine for minibike or Kart use will change out the cam anyway.
Check out the first video in this series. The CT200U-EX videos apply to the CT200U. You can get an idea of how fast it would be. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
So I have a ct200u-ex and swapping it with a 224cc want to go straight chain has a rear stock sprocket , going to be running the vm22 and header pipe, want to know what’s the best clutch for this set up, 10t or 12t trying to get most mph out of it
A lot of choosing a clutch tooth count or gear ratio has to do with your weight. The CT200U with a 5 to 1 ratio ,10 tooth clutch and 50 rear sprocket is already on the outer limits of what the engine has the torque to pull even with my light weight. On paper the 12 tooth looks like it would be faster, but it won't be. Not enough torque to pull that much gear. If you watch the series, you will see what I mean. I would go with the 10 tooth if you are going to run a 50 rear gear and the 19inch tall tires on the Coleman. If you watch this video you will see what I mean ruclips.net/video/xV8i59aGUao/видео.html
I have the same bike and a 224 predator I ran straight chain 10 tooth clutch with 50 tooth rear sprocket the clutch got super hot real quick I weight 200 pounds so 8 ordered the 60 tooth rear sprocket ima see how that works
Does the straight chain make that big of a speed difference? I just put a 224cc on a Coleman CT200U EX (a little heavier) and I'm only getting 20mph stock.
@@Black66 Oh, I see. I've been watching Cars and Cameras for 3 years now, so I understand the mechanics of it. I had just never heard the phrase "straight chain". Makes sense. Thanks.
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Oh boy i cant wait to see you start messing with the 224 especially when you put the racing clutch on and it really locks up especially with mods thing would really move and mods are available from what i was told from omb warehouse is that the clone arc 3.303 rod is the right rod for the 224 and the arc clone flywheels will work as well as clone cams (clearancing on the cam most likely) due to the added stroke i cant wait for my parts to get here and i can start my build im shooting for 9000 rpms
Ya, it will be fun! Its basically a factory stroker
@@Black66 i saw you posted a pic and so i had to pull a couple strings i guess but i got my hands on one and honestly its this is great and all but i feel like they could have done just a little bit better and given us the full metal cam and automotive style retainers and keeps but from the looks of it isnt gonna as easily modified as the 212 by just being able to drop in a cam without clearancing and then you add a billet rod things are gonna get tight
@@madness_-yg3lw Oh Ya for sure. This engine will be just as easy to modify as the 212. The 224 has the advantage because of the "Ducar block" It's a better-quality block.
For me I'm not really too concerned about the cam and stuff because it's all going to be changed out anyway as I start modifying the engine. It's a great starting point. Strong block and a 58MM stroke.
@@Black66 these 224s are gonna be some real power houses even on a mild set up im so glad they did away the the "hemi head" for these engines as non hemi in my opinion are a better option as you can run higher lift and you can always modify the head to increase cfm im gonna run a puals kart head on this 224 once i get the entire bottom end built i would hate to lose a head that cost 3xs the engine but before i get that head im gonna run a thinner head gasket and work the 224 ports
ARC 6773 is the rod you need for this with a stock piston. Some clearancing of the block will be required.
Hello!! I just retired at 60 grew up on a 2-1/2 HP Skat Kitty 2 of them back in the late 60's, went to 5 hp trailhorse boss in the early 70's and 2 Rupl Roadsters, the information you are providing us is invaluable. I certainly appreciate it and am looking forward to building top shelf mini-bikes in my retirement. Great numbers you provide thank you so much. Always loved the 5 inch street tires too much fun. Appreciate all your help, it's excellent. 👍
I work at harbor freight, we just got those engines in on the truck. I love the red blower housing! Thanks for the test & video.
Cool! Thanks! The red does look nice .
Do you know the Manufacturer of these engines? Is this Lifan or Loncin?
@@ListenMusic1987 Ducar.
Black66, you have taught me a lot, your method of videoing is excellent.
Thanks! Glad the videos help.
Black 66, just wanted to share …i just tested my ct200u with my predator 224 straight chained with 10tooth max torque clutch and stock 50 rear with stock tires and vm22mikuni, gov removal, cl1 cam,18 pound springs, 6 degree key, champion rockers, thin head gasket, and header pipe. Im at 190 pounds. Bike went 50 mph…weight makes a huge difference like u said dude!
Im getting a predator 212 non hemi tomorrow for $89 with my harbor freight cash…we will see how fast that will go straight chained on this bike with my weight…i will let u know dude👍 thanks for everything u do! Ur channel is the best!👍
I’m doing the same thing but with 212
I heard it has a 4k max rpm coil but so far everyone that has removed governor says it spin past just fine I'm still running mine stock on a baja warrior at 40 its plenty fast enough and take off is great lots of low end power
The 224 has a higher redline with the factory governor, which explains the extra top speed. I hope you repeat the exact same test but with the governors removed and nothing else done, see what it really ads on top end. Kinda weird that they gave a stroker a higher governed rpm...
Ya, for sure. More to come!
I just picked my 224cc PREDATOR up from harbor freight for $160 because of presidents’ Day specials I am so fortunate to get it at that price and it’s all because of you my friend thank you for all the great content keep it coming for the mods on this engine I will go back and watch every video of yours thanks again!
Thanks! That is awesome!! You got a great deal! I have more content coming on the 224.
I paid 177$
@@Black66. Hey buddy do you have other way to contact you I have questions about my Coleman mini bike
Yeah this 224 is interesting. I would start with a 70mm flat top piston, grab a stock clone rod, double check the in the hole measurement then choose a clone billet rod and head gasket to use. Most likely a stock length clone rod. Then go from there with clearancing the block. And it would get Champion rockers no doubt. I like the legacy head. Problem is, I don't need an engine.
Black66 back at it again 👍👍 another Great video and Much Appreciated 👏
Thank you! I appreciate that.
If your any good at soldering , you can solder the tip of throttle cable to fit a slide carb.
I was impatient waiting on a new throttle cable in the mail. So … yeah I did, worked so well that I still have the new cable I ordered.👍
Yes! Check the playlists we have soldered many tips on the throttle cables!! 👍👍
This guy videos is so interesting it's awesome!!💯💥
Just went to get a 212 for the spring sale for $119.99 but they were out of stock so I just picked up a 224 for $169.99. I threw it on my new go kart I just bought and the clutch is fully engaging at around 20mph. I run out of field before I can even hit the governor limiter. It's a little ridiculous to be honest. It has a 12 tooth clutch to a 60 tooth sprocket and 18 inch diameter wheels. I'm tempted to just go with a 10 tooth clutch and leave the pulley and honestly just leave the governor on so the engine lasts forever.
Cool cool, they also go on sale black fri , I don’t know if prices vary state to state but here in the south they where 112$ for a predator 212
I didn’t check other prices
That was cheap enough I got 2 👍
@@kylesyx8432 we just walked in the house with our new 224. $99 for the 212 and $159 for the 224 in Texas.
Just picked up a 212 for my Coleman, excited to swap it out!
That was awesome really like watching your show
I got the 1st one from my local Harbor Freight. I'm not sure if I'm putting on my CT200U or my new Trailmaster. Thanks for the video! ✌
Either one would be awesome!
Can you do a short video showing how that chain tool works
I like these Longer stroked GX200 clone Engines. I use a Wildcat 223cc and man she is seriously powerful! I run them on my 16 foot long tail Mud Motor Boat and the wildcat absolutely blows away the previous engines I’ve had. (210cc Honda GX clone & Hemi Predator 212) the wildcat hands down blows them out of the water especially after I added a Robertsons torque tube looped header, a performance air filter and finally a PK 1B carburetor. I try to keep it minimal with the mods to keep my reliability but with a ductile iron crankshaft I don’t think I need to worry… I’ve never had issues ever besides the bs EPA crap I had to take off at first that was subduing the Engine and making it vibrate almost off the table! After the simple stage 1 upgrades The Wildcat breath’s great and has turned to a smooth purring kitten. (Unless I open the throttle… 😂) She has been the most reliable engine so far starts every time! Check out my RUclips channel if you’re interested in what the engine can do
Great video... the plastic timing gear may turn a few off!
My 98cc didn’t have a plastic cam
Now the governor’s plastic
Not at all… my dude has 50 of these motors and never seen a failure… built too… I thought Same as u….they’ve been in Briggs and tecumseh for decades
Very cool,
I'm running the stock engine on my Coleman CT200 EX Mini. I have a Predator 212 Hemi engine in the box that I have not used yet. The stock engine still starts on the 1st. pull and is running well. Only mod I made was to replace the stock centrifugal clutch with a Go Power Sports torque converter. It went from 18 MPH to 36 MPH and I weigh 210 lbs. I use it in the deserts of Arizona where I live and am pleased with it. Only problem I have had was a rear outer bearing on the jack shaft went out after about 5 hours use. When I replaced it with a USA made Timken roller bearing I found the stock one had never been greased! Didn't matter since i was switching to a Torque converter anyway. Good video!
Those 196 engines are pretty durable.Ya, the torque converter is better than the jackshaft. There is a video about that on the playlist. Have you checked out the Coleman CT 200ex playlist? We have tried many different combos on that bike .
Man you make building these look so easy 😂
Vs the Tilly next??? After running both a Predator and Tilly I think the Tilly's are overrated imo.
Great videos thanks we have the CT200u for the grandkids and i just put on the 224 on the gocart, but now i am thinking, i have the B200rsv coming so should i rob the 224 off of the gocart and swap motors with the B200rsv the go cart is just for the grandkids so the 196 would be plenty Thanks
I put a 224 in the ct200 ftame with 30 series converter the bike shakes vibrate alot on acceleration? Any fix
Hi, my son and I bought the 224 to put on our CT200u and we ran into a problem with the shaft width where we can’t put on the old torque converter. Can you tell us what clutch you used and the chain size? We’re not sure if we need a #40, 41 or 420. Thanks for the great video and really appreciate any advice.
This video better get 1million views.
Black 66 I have a 212 and just tried it and put the clutch on backwards like you did so I don’t have to drill holes did you just use a washer as a spacer and how many links do you have on that chain if you could respond to me I would love that I subscribed and liked to you bc I like your content and need to know things thx
Nice bikes! Do you think the predator 13hp 420cc motor would fit on that ct200u bike frame?
Hello I really love your videos I think they’re the best mini bike vids on RUclips!! I have a question if you don’t mind. I have a Coleman RB200 is it ok to run it straight chain? I see you do. Why do some mini bikes come factory with a jack shaft?
Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks ! The jackshaft is for gear multiplication to pull these bigger bikes.
You can run a straight chain but with the bigger tires it is harder on the clutch .Especially if you are a heavier rider. Going straight chain will reduce low speed quickness for more top speed. You can always add a bigger rear sprocket when running a straight chain to make up some of the lost low end .
Thanks, I have 2 Coleman bikes RB100 for my son & a RB 200 for myself. We enjoy watching you channel. We want to mod our bikes but it seems like we’re spending all of our time trying to keep the Coleman engines running. We’re gonna just swap them both out with the new Predator ghost. We love the bikes just find the engines to be problematic hopefully the predators will be more reliable. Keep the videos coming 👍🏻
Yes the 224cc has a longer stroke ... But has dishes piston. Put that 212 Flat top in that 224 and watch it move then.
I don't understand why they put a dished piston in them 224's ... But like I said flat top it and you got one hell of a machine.
Check out the 224 playlist. There are many different part combos with the 224. ruclips.net/video/rF7xAz02INA/видео.html
Do you have a step by step guide for the 224 swap?
Check out the 224 playlist. One of the videos shows the 224 being installed on the bike ruclips.net/video/45Eu29F8V3g/видео.html
This was a great comparison!
insta smile the first time i felt the POWER of my 212 lmAO ITS CRAzy
Hey, is that Buckeye, AZ? I used to own land there.
I see potential in this new engine ..
I'm supprised that the 212 did 45 stock I can only do 43 an that's with a few mods. I think mine could be tuned better tho. Also the 224 did good stock too. I think they both came pretty close.
Ya, they are pretty close. The straight chain gearing on this bike helps a lot with speed.
@@Black66 are you using the stock rear sprocket?
Yo great videos …quick question..do you use the same clutch on both engines?
Thanks ,yes check out he 224 playlist ruclips.net/video/rF7xAz02INA/видео.html
ok u r big into engine hop ups which is great but did u ever design a front disc brake system 4 a coleman ct200 ?? when u r going that fast there's nothing like a front brake . captain America in easy rider didn't have a front brake but your a welder and i know u can fab something up. unless u have a mini bike shop in the area it would b a hit and miss with the inter net, mins r the best thanks joe.
Check out my video that comes out today. It's about front brakes.
Can you do a video of a ct200u with 420 predator with a tc and then clutch please???? I have seen none on RUclips
Id like to see that done as well so I can have guide on doing bike! 👍🏼
Hi, love your videos, keep up the good work. Wanted to ask what's the make of your Hydraulic lift and where i can buy the same one, thank you in advance
Thanks! Not totally sure on the manufacturer of the lift. I picked it up used.
Governors in right, stock out of the box. What was your gear ratio? Which clutch did you use and 50t rear sprocket stock?
Yes,both engines are totally stock right out of the box. It was using A Max-Torque style clutch 10/50 gear. 5 to 1 ratio
Brilliant video as always!.
i just picked up 224 for my Coleman CT200U. Do you know if stage1 kit(airfilter) designed for 212 fits this engine?
longer stroke? so higher torque at lower rpms?
Thanks for another great video!
Thanks! No problem
Does the 15.8 459cc predator fit on the ct200u?
Really cool, thanks for sharing the info, this is alot of fun
Thanks! Yes, This stuff is fun!
I got a ct100u from some guy and maxed it out @ 40.7mph… it’s a whole different feeling being that close to the ground 🤣
yes, it is! Have you checked out the CC100X playlist? ruclips.net/video/tJeup9bo-wo/видео.html
So what happens if you put a HEMI piston in it like the 212 has?? And a 6k coil and acam with a metal gear???
Check out the Predator 224 playlist ruclips.net/video/SaxCCoqJ0RU/видео.html
I wonder what yer acceleration would've been off you rode on the smooth part of the road instead of bouncing around on the shoulder. Same with tip speed.
looks like your at sandy shores in gta5
They also came out with the 459cc. Of course i have 3 new 212's in the boxes and 2 420's lol oh well, time to hoard more engines lol
Same boat I have a few variations of 212 and a wildcat 223 still in the box I bought over a year ago
What size clutch and chain does the predator 224 use?
Same as the 212 3/4 shaft clutch
I wonder how the Black Max 212cc performs? It's a Honda clone made by Ducar which have rep for kart racing engines. I haven't seen a single mini bike with one swapped and cannot find just the motor but there are power washers and such with the engine being sold for 200+-
My push mower is Black Max and has the 635 and it cuts grass and brush you wouldn't think it would and it does it with ease in one pass so makes me wonder the power and reliability of the 212
Harbor freight = 2 x year you can get predator 212 for 112$ normally 159$
59$ cast aluminum flywheel
30$ vm 22 carb and 30$ header
And you will smoke that Ducar
Built stage 2 predator 212 cost less than stock Ducar
If you are planning on running that engine wide open for hours the Ducar is a better choice
Great video bro 👍🏿
Question? What type clutch are you using? I have a Coleman Mini Bike with a RT200 196cc engine. I swapped out the engine for a Predator 224, and found that the 224 has a higher idle speed, which in turn had kept the original clutch engaged. Any suggestions on a different type of clutch?
You can swap the springs out in the clutch for a higher stall. The Hilliard clutch is super easy to swap springs in.
Does the 224 motor have the huge aftermarket options like the 212 do? Or is it the same motor just different stroke?
Anything you can do to the 212 you can do to the 224.
Stage one 212 vs stock 224? That would be interesting
The 212 would smoke the 224
They’re so close to the same size that you wouldn’t notice till you get on the top end
But slide carb and header on 212 would be a Big advantage
At Harbor Freight....how do the prices compare between the Predictor 212 and the 224....does the 224 cost more ?
Yes, about $40 more.
Hey man I have a question about that 212 how did you make it that fast because mine only goes like 22
Straight chain it from clutch to the rear tire sprocket
Speed screw under gas tank screw that out all the way
ok now i have a few questions. is the output the same diameter on both engines , is there a big price difference between the 2, do u notice a big difference at the bottom end without a jack shaft, and do u think they could b faster after they r broken in more. also did u ride at phoenix AZ this past weekend???
The output shafts are the same on the two engines, 3/4 shaft. The big difference to me is the block. The block on the 224 is of much higher quality then the 212. It's a Ducar block. Great for future modifications. The longer stoke is awesome too.
The bike loses a little bottom end without the jackshaft. I could add a bigger rear sprocket and gain some of the bottom end back. I think it might be a little faster after they break in. They were totally fresh in this test. I didn't make it to the hood ride. I will for sure try to make the next one.
Cool! I want to see what it will do.
What about the Ducar 224?
I wonder if it has the same head as the regular 212 and if it has a dish piston like the 212
I recently got 2 mini bikes,1 of em is a ct200u with a 224 on it with a torque converter kit,my problem is I hate riding it because the whole bike vibrates horribly, tears your hands up trying to hold the handle bars when riding it,anyway to fix that or is it just normal?
I'm betting if you run a Juggernaut driver it will be much smoother.
@Black66 appreciate the info,gonna try rubber washers between engine and frame see if that helps,if i not i will order a juggernaut driver
@@shanelanham1643 The Juggernaut driver transitions power much smoother than a standard driver.
@Black66 i will look onto getting one,thank you sir!!
What do you recommend I do with my clutch issue. I'm putting the 212 on ct200.. Straight chain vs. reusing the parts of the Coleman engine
I would use a 3/4 shaft 420 clutch with a rear 60 sprocket with the straight chain so its not so hard on the clutch.
Thank you !! Working on it now!!
And that's the 10 tooth clutch right ? Can I bug you for the specs on the straight chain, how many links ?# 40-41 420 ?
I'm curious about the acceleration/power/speed difference between the 212 hemi head and non hemi head, any idea?
On a stock engine there's not going to be a difference to the rider. But once you start building the non hemi head is a better choice. Getting higher compression is easier and there's less concern for piston to valve clearance with a non hemi head. A non hemi head equipped with Champion rockers will produce more power than a hemi head.
And look at the aftermarket. Very few if any hemi heads and tons of choices of non hemi heads.
I wouldn't have got a 224 if it had a hemi head. I would get a hemi only if I was going to run it stock and didn't care about performance.
That's crazy if u removed the governor u could easily hit 60-65 on a stock predator
Oh ya, seems like it. The gearing makes all the difference .
@@Black66 what gearing did you use on this set up? If you remember
@@fordtech22 Check out the Predator 224 playlist. It shows all the parts used along the way ruclips.net/video/oxhroZjFb1A/видео.html
@@Black66 will do. Thanks
With a 60 sprocket or a 40 sprocket yes.
Enjoyed your video very informative!
Thanks! Check.out the 224 playlist for more 224 content .
@black66 do you recommend going straight chain on a Coleman ct200u ex or should I save up for a torque converter?
Staright chain is ok. A converter on one of these bikes with a warmed over 212 runs really well. Check out the CT200U playlist. If you are going to run a straight chain I would run a bigger rear sprocket than I did in this video. Maybe a 60 tooth or something like that. It is hard on the clutch with the tall tires and the stock rear sprocket .
@@Black66 thank you I will go the torque converter route much appreciated 👍
Awesome man. How many teeth on the clutch and sprocket
Thanks! It has a 5 to 1 ratio . 10 on the clutch and 50 on the sprocket
Awesome bro!!! Love the video!
Thanks!
Hey I would like to know I just bought a predator 224 and I was wondering if you just flipped the stock clutch around and it worked like that or did you have to buy a special clutch
No special clutch.I flipped it around
U should to a cam swap use the 212 predator cam metal vs plastic.
What is the 3/4" clutch you're using on the front?
Thanks
10 tooth clutch. Links are in the description for the parts used. Check out the 224 and Coleman CT200U playlist for more combs. Thanks for watching! ruclips.net/video/0PB16_EYCiQ/видео.html
@@Black66 thanks
I didnt see that until after I sent the comment.
Great material!
I watched this twice and I must've missed it, what size sprockets and tire size you running?
Its running a 10/50 with the stock Coleman 19 tall tires in this video. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more gear ratios and combos with the Coleman bikes. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
Hey Black 66 I have a 22mm mikuni on a 196cc when the lever is in the up position it runs good but when I put it in the down position the 196 stalls, do you have any idea's??? Help.
Make sure there isn't any leaks between the manifold and carb where they bolt together. If you bolt them together where they arn't in alignment it wont seal properly and the carb will run lean. If you take off the carb and look down the intake you will see what I mean. Here is a video link showing what im talking about. About 4 minutes into the video ruclips.net/video/xinMDBj-Pg8/видео.html
@@Black66 I will do that, as always thank you for your input. 👍🏻
Funny how the size designation is tossed around loosely. I built a "224cc" with a Tilly block from NRracing; 72mm piston and the 55mm crank is 223.93cc... the 70mm piston and 58mm crank on this Ducar is 223.21cc, I won't loose any sleep over this...just saying 😴
(Combine a 72mm piston and a 58mm crank for 236.15cc; this stuff is getting crazy!)
It is true! I just put together that Mega Moto 223
I just put a 212 on motovox i did and I know everyone has already done it im behind lol but my 212 just has got deleted and mikuni carb idk if the ppl before me did anything to it or not but man this thing is fast I need to get a billet flywheel
Motovox is a nice bike!
What length chain did you use? Can you post a link to it? Thanks
I can't remember off hand.This bike has had many different combos. Check out the CT200U playlist ruclips.net/video/ZFLSbnoH59g/видео.html
I think they both would have done better if the motors were broke in??
fresh out the box surely takes away their full potential might have to retry again later.
These two will be on quit a few more projects along the way.
What cluch u running my cluch Is getting supper hot running a 224cc with a 10t clutch 50t sprocket
I'm running a 60 tooth rear sprocket now, 6 to 1 ratio , to be easier on the clutch with tall tires. In this video I did the same thing. ruclips.net/video/avdJE34nFIU/видео.html
@@Black66 would it even get hot at idle?
Another great video👍
What size chain did you use because the Coleman ct200u has 2 chains?
The Same 420 chain that came on the bike.
? What size is that do you know?…and where can I get one? Is there a website you recommend?
@@ever3105Check out the 224 playlist. Many of the part links are in the description of the videos. GoPowerSports has everything you need.
I have a Cole man ctu200u with a predator took off the govenor and that's it I'm pushing like 45
What size chains do you run? Great video!
Its a 40 chain on this one. Its a little wider than the factory 420 chain that comes on the bike. Its a little beefier.
Where can i buy throttle cable that I can cut to size? I cant find a spool of it anywhere
I usually just cut any cable to size and solder a tip on it.I'm not sure about a spool.
what clutch are you using? i need a good quality clutch with out breaking the bank
I have a video coming out on Saturday with a Max Torque racing clutch that I really like.
Where can I find a clutch and the chain ? How many teeth clutch do you have and size chain ?
Its a 10 too clutch and the stock #420 Coleman chain that came with the bike. GoPowerSports has both
Shout Out to Mr Black66 doing these tests and speed runs to show us how to make are minibikes fast to get away from the cops 🚔🚔🚔🚔
do you have a video comparing a stage 1 224 vs a Ghost?
No, but I have a few comparing the Ghost to the 212
Bro I have the same bike I will love to see a video of someone with a 301
What size chain do I need 2 straight chain my mini bike ? It’s a 10 tooth in front and 50 in back plz let me know asap
The same chain that came with the bike. 420
Honestly I has a plastic gear, what is the hype for?
The Ducar block and the 58MM stroke make a great platform for future modifications. A high percentage of people that use this engine for minibike or Kart use will change out the cam anyway.
How fast do u think it will go if u would still have the governor on no mods or nothing just a predator 212 engine
Check out the first video in this series. The CT200U-EX videos apply to the CT200U. You can get an idea of how fast it would be. ruclips.net/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/видео.html
I would love to see the 224 on the mb200 please!! With a TC!!! My group all owns mb200 and want to know please
I have more MB200 videos coming
So I have a ct200u-ex and swapping it with a 224cc want to go straight chain has a rear stock sprocket , going to be running the vm22 and header pipe, want to know what’s the best clutch for this set up, 10t or 12t trying to get most mph out of it
A lot of choosing a clutch tooth count or gear ratio has to do with your weight. The CT200U with a 5 to 1 ratio ,10 tooth clutch and 50 rear sprocket is already on the outer limits of what the engine has the torque to pull even with my light weight. On paper the 12 tooth looks like it would be faster, but it won't be. Not enough torque to pull that much gear. If you watch the series, you will see what I mean. I would go with the 10 tooth if you are going to run a 50 rear gear and the 19inch tall tires on the Coleman.
If you watch this video you will see what I mean ruclips.net/video/xV8i59aGUao/видео.html
I have the same bike and a 224 predator I ran straight chain 10 tooth clutch with 50 tooth rear sprocket the clutch got super hot real quick I weight 200 pounds so 8 ordered the 60 tooth rear sprocket ima see how that works
Does the straight chain make that big of a speed difference? I just put a 224cc on a Coleman CT200U EX (a little heavier) and I'm only getting 20mph stock.
How many teeth u running on clutch and sprocket with the straight chain..
Check out the playlist on the predator 224 It shows all the mods ruclips.net/video/XNvqdYl_haw/видео.html
What do you mean by "straight chain", and why does it matter?
Straight chain Is removing the torque converter or jack shaft . You use a clutch only . It changes the gear ratio .
@@Black66 Oh, I see. I've been watching Cars and Cameras for 3 years now, so I understand the mechanics of it. I had just never heard the phrase "straight chain". Makes sense. Thanks.