The ending failed because Isayama couldn't let go of Mikasa and Armin, even though he had much more interesting characters to work with. It's apparent he became much better at writing characters during his process of drawing Attack on Titan. All the characters introduced in the beginning are one dimensional with the only exception being Jean, who Isayama claimed to be his favorite character. But by the time the Marley arc starts, he has become a master at making interesting and complex characters like Historia, Kenny, Erwin, Grisha, Reiner and Zeke. I think Isayama was aware of this himself, because when Reiner tells his family about the 104th, he points out how the people there were all single minded and lacked any real personality. Despite that, Isayama stubbornly needed Armin and Mikasa to play a major part in the ending, despite their only traits being: "strong and in love with Eren" and "smart and dislikes violence" This meant Isayama needed to dumb Eren down, since he had developed into a complex character, unlike Mikasa and Armin. Ymir being in love with Fritz and Eren wanting to be stopped are silly, non sensical plot points, created only to give those two characters some kind of chance to interact with the central conflict
i think isayama missed a huge chance with jean tbh. he should have written jean as the parallel and counterpart to eren - i mean its hinted at a lot in s1 that they cant stand each other bc they are opposites, but as the viewers we know that they are pretty similar in their temperament. isayama should have used jean as the character that both counters and mirrors eren during important introspective moments and should have tied mikasa's character development from toxic obsession with eren (which makes her selfless to her own detriment) to discovering true love with jean into this. this would have solved the whole toxic eremika mess. armin should have been the brain-y, kind dude that was less tied to the eren-mikasa trio but became more and more involved with characters like erwin and hange. in s3, armin should have died, erwin should have survived. s4 should have just been our guys going to war with the rest of the world and winning in the end, albeit it being a bleak victory with many losses (i wouldnt have even cared about my fave characters dying if the ending was like this and actually good tbh)
@@lunali7209My boy Jean was forgotten as soon as season 1 ended. I don't know if you agree, but after his character development he's just kind of there.
This analysis was a painful cope to read through. Eren wasn’t a complex character held back by a 1 dimensional supporting cast, he had his character assassinated off screen with some extremely shitty reasoning cobbled together after the fact. The AoT ending was a lazy mess thrown together for shock value and a quick conclusion, not a misunderstood masterpiece.
It was really just the entire final season like why did everyones motivations change and characters got changed and assassinated. Just a lot of weird decisions
Yes I see a lot of people who accepts the fourth season and just dislikes the ending but I think the problem started with the fourth season. It is unlike the show to have some complicated problem and then say there is only 2 solutions. Like who is buying that? The entire world has never agreed on anything but apparently everyone agreed to hate them. Also there are SO many strategies that you could absolutely employ in that situation yet they act like they only have a few choices. Plus in the end it would have been much better to just go with zeke's plan but like I said I think it would have just been best to introduce some new characters /groups and have an exhilarating ending that sums up the story nicely but not without its share of grim moments and sacrifice. This stupid war was not the way to go.
@@lilg6615 it was never consistent throughout the show, though, so the ending is consistent with the inconsistency and following rule of cool over everything else.
Isayama tried to be an intellectual author, lacking much of the intellectual bit, and ruining his own legacy by briniging a bad ending to his story. This story be an obligatroy part of any writing course about how not to end your story.
I think he did really well!! up to season 3 lol. in fact i think i read somewhere that he had an ending and scrapped after they cast reached the sea. personally, i would have liked if the story tried to do a pay off for Eren Kruger instead? what an interesting character and only to be brought up, like twice? just the complete retconning of his character by Ymir, Mikasa kissing Eren's corpse's head, the random okapi that massively gags Armin's mouth with its tongue... just so many choices made here, and why????
The original manga ending was fine to me and the anime ending was perfect. I recently rewatched it again and still love the last season most. The first three seasons were intriguing but season four was a masterpiece and it brings the whole story up to a whole different level than I've ever seen.
@@herbert1012 I am glad that you liked it. A lot of people liked last season of Game of Thrones as well and some people like the new Napoleon movie. Just because you subjectively like something does not mean that it is very good when weighed against other works of litterature.
I disagree. He could of wrapped up the ending a bit more tightly, but to pretend he shit all over his legacy is completely disingenuous. AOT still had a great ending imo.
@@lightinferno4490 In writing, ending is everything. As soon you say " he could have wrapped up the ending a bit more tightly..." you agree that the work is not great, just good. There are ,amy good worls of art around but only the brilliant ones stay the test of time, hence my comment about his Legacy. Salieri was a very good composer in his time, even more popular than Mozart. We all know whose legacy is better remembered though.
I think the ending ruins the series for me. However, now that it’s animated, I’ve noticed some people like the ending. I have some friends who don’t hate it either. I don’t understand it but maybe there’s something I’m missing? I just feel like they did so many character assassinations last second where people just acted so out of character that it felt like it was a different writer.
manga really relies on dialogue and story. in anime you get a full sensory experience with music, voice acting, sound, movement, color, all that stuff. it's easy to equate the emotional experience of watching the anime to the quality of writing.
The above comments prettyuch explain it but there's also the fact that animeonlies watched the show with huge gaps in between. Manga readers had monthly discussions revolving around the newest chapters and how they affect the story. Manga readers just understood the story better since it was always fresher in our minds compared to animeonlies
The ending itself isn’t horrible, especially with the anime extending the era of peace. The final fight with the founder Titan was cool. Even Eren wanting Mikasa to kill him was fine. But they ruined Eren and Armin’s character.
Going against the core theme and characters is a perfect description of the ending of AOT. It’s blatantly obvious Isayama didn’t want Eren to be completely evil, so he coped out and we instead got an idiotic justification for his actions.
I don't think it's normal or moral to send death threats to anime writers. It's his work, if he wants to burn it to the ground, he can do it (and he did it for AoT). For me, AoT ended on Season 3 Part 2, when the Beast Titan was defeated and Eren saw the sea with MIkasa and Armin. That's the ending. It might not complete the story, but at least it still made sense. Not the stupid and amateurish writing after the time skip. Where Eren became a different chracter without a true reason (don't tell me he was possessed or something, because we aren't doing cheap horror movies here). Out of nowhere time travel can change the past and the future without changing the present (that is a paradox, time travel can't do that). And many other plot and character consistency problems.
@@vsdariuss No, he is completely right. He points out a lot of issues I have with the series. Top of the list are time skips, and time travel. Time skip implies you are bored writing your own story as you could not think of anything important happening in your own narrative for years of the world. Time travel should under no circumstances ever be a mechanic in a series that has not set out to specifically explore it as a mechanic. Even in those stories that do, time travel is a problem that will make your story fall apart at the seams because it is constantly at the risk of being nonsensical. A series implementing time travel as a mechanic at the end of it (among many other mechanics) is nothing less than a deus ex machina to help you escape from your corner you have written yourself into. I think the theory in this video that Isayama was rushed actually makes a lot of sense. In my opinion, this story was heading towards a realistic world war type scenario but with the opposing sides having nukes (aka titans). It feels like that was a potential avenue for the story which would have been awesome and terrifying.
@@dodoheadofCentury Thats on you bro, and I think your point on timeskips is complete nonsense. Some of the best written stories like LOTR have timeskips. I do agree to an extent with time travel however. I hated AOTs ending at first but their are some points that I completely missed on my first read so I have an alright view of the story now.
@@LutherusPXCs Dude. Come on. Lord of the rings felt like time passage, not skipping. I call it a time skip because it feels like we skipped multiple important developments for key characters. That is not the case at all in lord of the rings when time moves forward, such as Frodo in the shire after bilbo leaves. He basically lives most of his life out. Why would Tolkien talk about that? Now you could say Isayama was doing the same. But there are some major differences. When we come back to Frodo he has barely changed as a character. Even after all those years he still admired his uncle for going on an adventure and thus his initial motivation for the story is in tact. You and I both know that is completely different from attack on titan. They move time forward which is fine if nothing major has happened. But then we got tons of flashbacks to the time that we moved past, almost to say that that period of time actually was important huh? Heck, all of the characters trajectories as characters completely changed, except Eren, maybe. Armin at the end of season 3 was queued up to be the next Erwin, in his own way but still. Armin after the time skip turns into Armin from season 1. For the runtime of the story Armin’s character arc was steadily chipping away at his indecision in high pressure situations. All of that gets flushed down the drain at the beginning of season 4 and we are back to square one. Mikasa, well honestly not much had happened with her except maybe her motivations being centered around Eren maturing a bit. You could say there was a hint of that, maybe. The point is it isn’t a time skip if nothing happens. It is a passage of time. We aren’t wasting the readers time by telling you about Frodo smoking a pipe and eating good food for 20 years (I don’t remember how long it was but it was a long time). With attack on titan you know that isn’t true. We never once had a flashback to Frodo during that time he spent in the shire. It was non relevant to the story. To the sequence of events it was relevant, but for all intents and purposes it could be summed up in a few sentences, which the story teller wisely decided to do. You’re comparing fresh apples to rotten bananas.
Like George RR Martin says, writers can be garners or architects, you could have totally planned a story to beginning to an ending or have seeds of a story, that you built over time, my personal philosophy is never write a story if you not have the ending already planned in your head, not matter if it takes years to reach there.
The problem is not having an ending already planned, the problem is maintaining it until the end of the fictional work. I'm sure that Isayama changed the ending at least 3 times, and when he chose "The Rumble", he didn't know how to get there either and made many other changes.
we should have known it was gonna go to shit when isayama suddenly wanted us to think that erwin is selfish for wanting humanity to go outside the walls and killed him off as punishment just so he can save the fan favorite armin.
An anime with a basic ass art style renowned for its story, a story which in the end turns out to be really bad. Massive L, most overrated anime of all time. 7/10
In order for a story to have a good ending. It needs to actually be poignant, while concluding plot and character arcs. AOT was doomed to have an unsatisfactory ending after the writer raised the stakes. Eren's characterization became a convoluted mess after joining with the founding titan, so any reasoning he could have for the rumbling just simply became confusing mess for the viewer. I somehow see arguments in sympathy for Eren and his decisions (ignoring the fact that he did actually do genocide single-handed for no reason at all). It turns the whole "Griffith did nothing wrong" thing up to 11. Kinda rediculous, but that's not the primary reason why the ending sucks. It sucks because they did not lean into any direction. It was wishy washy. Eren just wanted his friends to have a life, so he killed 80% of humanity and set things up so Mikasa killed him. Ok. That's confusing and weird. Ymir's characterization is more comical than it is tragic. You telling me Zeke sat in paths for years and couldn't figure out she loved Fritz? It's so obvious, despite being stupid as hell. Stolkholm syndrome for fucking millenia. Dumb. All these elements pile onto eachother to make this one big nothing burger, then they lean into the sheer nothingness that is the story overall by including these last few panels where humanity just nukes itself out of existence, then the titan power is rediscovered. So the story they wanted to tell is what? War never changes? History repeats itself? What sort of fatalistic BS is that? The whole show is fatalistic, sure, but it was always about hope as well. Kinda feels hopeless to just say "actually the cycle of death and hope for a better future is a neverending story." So what point are you making in this work? Nothing at all really. Just let your leaders nuke humanity and destroy the planet. Fucking awesome story dude.
@@TruePeaceSeekerThis is just factually true. Nobody misunderstands the ending, they just recognize that its flawed to all hell and back. Theres subversion of expectation, and then theres abandoning charactetization, forgetting plot threads, poor explanation, convoluted lore, contradictory writing, irrational descision making, ret-cons. The list goes on and the only reason ending-defenders are picking up steam now is because the anime has finally finished and the emotions are at a peak. People dont want to accept that their favourite anime ended on a weak note because they have invested over a decade into it. But once the honeymoon phase ends, so too will everyone's rose tinted glasses and itl go back to "lol remember aot's ending? 😂😂"
@@TruePeaceSeeker its ok if you don´t like it but saying that its is a failure cuz you dont understand it isn´t fair. judging off the comments no one has acually watched or read the show. if you really get it explain it to me and explain why it was so bad
Attack on Titan started to go off the rails for me when they introduced "magic that erased an entire populations memory" but I stuck with it. After the time skip and Eren's sudden, unexplained heel turn, and also the show expecting me to suddenly sympathize with Reiner I really started to lose interest. When I learned about the "Eren is a self fulfilling prophecy" bullshit, I completely wrote the series off. I knew it was bad and would only get worse.
I’ve seen this criticism a few times but why is magic that erases an entire population’s memory inherently bad writing? It makes sense within the story and it’s established rules, plus there was a lot of build up and foreshadowing leading up to it so it’s not like it was lazily integrated or anything. I really don’t see why this is a bad thing?
@@toxin4609 I dont think it by itself is inherently a bad thing. However, I did not see the foreshadowing for it. It hit me put of nowhere. I expected more science fiction less fantasy magic. And by itself it might have been fine, the series continued to use increasingly wild magic to explain increasingly questionable writing decisions that turned me off by the time Eren did his heel turn off screen between seasons which is then explained by time loops and pre-destination.
One of the greatest fumbles in the history of fiction Isayama had an opportunity to create one of the greatest stories ever told and he blew it with a forced romance piece of shit ending. Eren died for nothing, he failed to protect Paradis from getting genocided by the outside world, he killed his own mom, turned into a stupid bird so that Jean can plow Mikasa, whucu mind you they show off their kid in front of Eren's grave! Literally SNL comedy skit right there! Lmfao Hagjme Isayama is the Todd Howard of mangakas, hope that failed internet cafe owner never makes a shitty manga ever again! This makes me love Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass much more! What a fucking Chad. He would be laughing so hard from hell with Eren right now. It was neck and neck for which anime was better, but this just sealed the deal. Also as usual, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood remains as the God Emperor of GOATED Anime endings. That pure Titan lookin' ass Isayama wishes Attack on Titan has a better ending than Hiromu Arakawa's masterpiece.
OMFG IM LICKING YOUR VIDEO JUST FOR HISTORIA. Man it's incredible how much character asassination historia received. Isayama kept her like 30 or 40 episodes off screen, making her plot to be pregnant, she gave birth, Eren wasn't the father, end of the series. Even the fans disrespect Historia, like, nobody talks about her like if she wasn't the most important and powerful woman in the series (besides ymir of course)
Isayama's writing style is amateur since the very start. If you haven't notice his gimmick is all about plot twist every end of chapter. The problem with him is the fact that he never gives any payoff which is the main reason why people lost interest in AoT after reading the ending. I won't be surprised if people won't bother reading his next manga if he decides to make one because people are now wary that all the emotional investment will just be disregarded by Isayama.
@@OBUNGUS487 as someone who has enjoyed the writing from seasons 1 to 3, they are completely amateur. It's still a very entertaining story but it's not exactly breaking the mould with anything. The guy knows how to keep people interested, but that's it.
Not sure if you'll see this but this was a really well thought out, unfortunately low viewed video. Lots of hype knee jerk reaction videos popping up now, I hope this drives some views to this you raise some insightful and balanced view points. Also I really enjoy the Evangelion inspired thumbnail which apparently many people have missed.
An incredible story with beautiful setup and foreshadowing literally squandered in a miserably failed attempt at shock value and intellectualism. A perfect blend of mystery and pacing that completely threw all its own themes out the window and assassinated all of its main characters in the final season.
I think Isayama did really well!! up to season 3 :/ i think i read somewhere that he had an ending and scrapped it after the cast reached the sea. personally, i would have liked if the story tried to do a pay off for Eren Kruger instead? what an interesting character and only to be brought up, like twice? just the complete retconning of Eren Yeager's character by Ymir, Mikasa kissing Eren's corpse's head, the random okapi that gags Armin's mouth with its massive tongue... just so many choices made here, and for why????
the disrespect towards eren kruger still pisses me off til this day. isayama really made him fight side by side with the alliance against eren. like WHY would eldian restorationist EREN FUCKING KRUGER fight against eren yet alone fight against an attack titan ... as an attack titan himself?? that just goes against the attack titans' power ...
@@lunali7209 like i see where you're coming from and i have a similar complaint too. I wanted Eren Yeager to use the attack titan for what Eren Kruger wanted (liberation for eldians). Writing it so Eren only cared about Paradis knowing the sacrifices of Kruger and the rest of the restorationists and the current oppression of eldians globally, made me sad that he only narrowed in on Paradis. Fine, I get it, but also idk lol. I think Kruger fighting Eren at the end made sense because he didn't want the Marleyan Eldians to die? idk lol tbh, i think the ending was weird and there was no pay off to the second part of the third season imo
I think the message i get from this is that this is all a big trauma response. The rumbling, zeke's plan(originated from the previous beast), gabi killing sasha, ymir seemingly willingly staying a slave, these are all responses to trauma that characters experience. Eren couldn't let go of the stuff that has happened to the point he'd get revenge at all cost. I do think the power of the founder does push him over. I think that's why eren feels like 2 different characters. He knows this stuff is crazy, that's why he tries to protect his friends and even defend his enemies at times. He wants to let go and be optimistic but future eren is over it so he chooses the rumbling. That's why eren couldn't change the future, because future eren wouldn't allow it, hence why he sent the smiling titan to his mom. He had to be pushed this far in order to decide to rumble the world
thats fair however attack on titan was never mainly about characters and their traumas. sure those were important parts of the story and we got whole episodes that were character-centered but overall the story was about humanity inside the walls living in oppression bc of titans and trying to find out the truth and get outside of the walls. thats what we needed closure for. characters dying or surviving is all fine in aot's context given that a ton of important and loved characters did die in the entire story before too. the fact that they died but that the story went on to still be good proved that the story was never about singular characters. so the argument that this was all supposed to be isayama tryna send us a message about trauma is ... not working for me, sorry
In the end it comes to how isayama wanted to portray eren beyond his death. What we got is basically to make the audience feel sad for eren when he literally LEVELED 80% of humanity. Literally what yams could do is make eren keep conviction to his goal of protecting paradis, with his death by armin also one of his plans to have the next helos. It should've been a battle of conviction til the very end. But yams really WANT eren to be remembered as a great person with "eren what a man you are" "thank you for being a mass murderer for our sake" LMAO. That won't slide Ymir loving the king is also the biggest asspull in any fiction. Stockholm syndrome is pseudo science, having it there in AoT shows yams was desperate to have "muh parallelism" to mikasa.
At 40 seconds in I disagree that hype kept building I always knew from the very end of season one that this show would be destined for stupid things. TBH I really don’t get what people liked about this show at all minus the first season and a few cool emotion endearing scenes. But when it took them so long to make season two back then I already knew when season two released that it was all bad to come and now people look at this like a tainted love. They don’t wanna hate it but they know it’s actually worthless trash with a cool premise.
@@link--wv6puby the end the entire series came to be about 2 toxic senseless ships anyways (ymir - king fritz & mikasa - eren) I see nothing wrong with it 🙄
The thing about Eren killing his mother sounds like a random passing idea with no other motivation than to subvert expectations. Like "woah wouldnt it be crazy if this happened???"... without actually thinking about it from a storytelling pov.
i didn't like that the story changed from humans versus titans to humans vs humans. Why did the ape titan need to be a human? Why are there so many humans in the rest of the world? I was hoping the titans are their own race and the humans inside the wall are acutally the only humans left in the whole world. The reveal from the cellar was so underwhelming. The change of eren to become the main villain was also really stupid. Misaka would never kill him.
Same 💯. When Jean, Sasha, and Connie and heck Even Armin killed fellow Eldians and people from Liberio is where it went downhill. Like it's so not their character. Could've been an "adventure/discovery route" instead of "political/genocidal route".
@@paulmoses3381 It could've been like The Walking Dead, world-building. The outside world is suffering like them but have different tactics and not ODM gear. I think the discovery route is more interesting than dark/political/time travel stuff we get after that sea discovery.
Humans vs Humans change was great as it basically added extra layers to the story and saved it from being another generic monster/zombies/aliens vs humans story. But unfortunately, Isayama did not or could not write it properly.
@@arvi8843 i think the titans = humans twist was pretty compelling. it added a deeper layer into what seemed to be a simple monsters vs humans scenario. its just that isayama could not fully commit to it and gave us the fumbling arc
Listen, that’s all cool and good but personality wise He is not a good person. Great anime 12/20 on my scale (5 is average) but just because he was under a lot of pressure there’s no change the fact it is a bad ending with how much IP generated during 2020 when everyone was on lockdown, he could’ve easily postponed writing the last 10 chapters for years and I would’ve been fine with it however, I did not wait 10 years for him to hit me with a such a boring ending in such awful themes I really wish the Times were animes like no game no life dominated the genre come back I’m tired of watching people lose I’m a living breathing person I get to enjoy taking L every day I’m alive I don’t need to watch some sad 19 old virgin fail to deliver on his resolve and for the story to conclude by telling me war is bad racism is bad love is a curse Bro king Fritz was an abuser. I don’t care if.
Exactly osayama always wants to put edgy themes in his stories but at the cost of everything that makes sense in the story. In s4 he cranked that shit up to 11 and its so stupid how he wants to make aot look like some smart anime for only intelectuals but he just says “war bad world cruel” theres no subtely. Nothing at all
Eren: I'm gonna kill everyone because marley sucks Historian and Armin: But we should talk to other countries first! Eren: nuh uh Historia and Armin: ok
15:08 they could just write something like high school DXD, where he gets everything, and does not have to choose “but that’s sexiest” 🤷♂️ hey there just drawings made for people old enough to distinguish reality from fantasy
The way people frame their opinions about this show or manga as objective fact is fascinating and worth examining. It’s perfectly fine to dislike something, but declaring that a piece of art is inherently “bad” or “a failure” feels strange. I hope this tendency stems from poor word choice or misunderstanding, but the sheer number of people making such definitive statements is surprising. Opinions, even when backed by evidence, remain subjective-they’re not facts. Personally, it’s frustrating to see opinions framed as absolute truths. I have no issue with people disliking the story's ending, but their opinions don’t carry any more weight or authority than those of someone who passionately loves it. Art is inherently subjective, and each perspective is equally valid. I love the ending.
I really am grateful I watched this video (coming from Aot ending supporter). The ending is rushed, confusing and difficult to digest....and I will still argue to this day that it is a good ending. Respectfully, I want to challenge your point about Edward from FMA and how his character resolution is strong in its ending because of the growth he goes through. I personally believe the same can be said very well (if not more so then with Eren Yeager). His choice to have his mom eaten for the sake of "moving forward" and because of the many other reasons (hard to connect to paths concept of time, recognizing there is a bigger picture at work) is HUGE character development from him. Eren was mad at the world because titans lived in it and they took his freedom away. Now with the power to save those that perished is what he has wanted for 3 seasons straight. But he grew up. He saw what the world was like beyond the walls and didn't embrace it whole heartedly, but gnashed his teeth at it. And above all he was willing to sacrifice precious things that meant a lot to him, for the sake of moving forward in his beliefs. The scene in season 3 where Eren beats the shit out of himself for being useless, replying that he hopes the brat is dead...is EXACTLY how he reacts to his mother getting eaten. He grew up and recognized in order to achieve something....you must become a monster, you must sacrifice your humanity "give your heart and soul to the cause". Which he did with sadness, suicidality, and pain. He knew he couldn't stop the rumbling/find a better answer because no such answer exists....and instead of whining about it/giving up (similar to past Eren) he fights. He fights the feelings and does something about it. He allows his mother to be eaten because the path laid before him leads to some type of peace. If he was the same Eren in the past, he'd probably give up/be stuck on the right answer....never sacrificing for the sake of others, never trusting others to lead what he has contributed/created, and never accepting anyone that has died and that killing is justified for the sake of your cause. He is a flawed character who was broken inside and only had the future to rely on for potential. It's tragic what happened to Eren because he was learning from his past by no longer trying to be the savior of the world.
The ideas are cool but just not executed well. Him giving up his humanity to achieve what he thinks is the correct goal is EXACTLY what I wanted from him, but doing it in this way undermines his basic character motivations. Why can't he just sacrifice something in the modern day and not cause a weird paradox? I basically just wanted the ending to be Eren wins, wipes out the world, but hates himself for what he has done and isn't happy after it all. Or maybe he even gets tried and killed by his own people for his crimes, and willingly accepts the punishment out of guilt. That would be a cool, bittersweet, melancholic ending that would satisfy people.
@@someguywhocanfly I guess one of the biggest reasons I forgive this is because of the titan curse being ended. Clearly it wasn't possible to make the 13 year curse go away. If it was eren would have tried that...but getting rid of both titans and the curse allows everyone on Paradise to live long meaningful lives. (I.e. Armin in particular). Furthermore historia being fed for the next titan generation ceases. Just wiping everyone outside of the walls doesn't accomplish these goals...which in all honesty is why I think it's ok how it ended... because overall it was more then just wiping away the rest of humanity to eren.
@@joshholleran9005 I mean he could have just accepted the curse. I don't think Eren was afraid to die. His obsession with Historia was not great writing IMO anyway, you could just remove it and then he kinda wouldn't care. If he and his friends saved his people, they could die knowing they did that.
@@someguywhocanfly I disagree...it was good writing because he noticed in season 3 in the cave that the world should have the chance to move forward, instead of sacrificing people to continue the titan lineage. I agree eren doesn't think about the curse concerning his mortality. But if he wiped out everyone beyond paradise, the continued feeding and passing of the titans and the founder would continue....forever. limiting the freedom of people on paradise. Again...I get it and I don't think Eren could just drop that. He wanted to give the island a chance to make their own destiny, not being shackled by the whims of others and societal norms (feeding people to titans) that he considered as a problem.
I'm not trying to sound condesending here, but the people who were/are outraged by the Attack on Titan's ending should take this as a lesson and try lowering your expectations for anything, and only judge something concretely after they have finished. On a completely different note, it's only what I've heard, but us in Hong Kong/Taiwan calls the author of Hunter X Hunter 富奸, which basically means "the wicked rich", because often times the excuses for haitus is only that, excuses. And the quality of later chapters are abhorrent, the manga is basically sketches and not a finished product. There are even rumours of his wife, the author of Sailor Moon, drawing for him, but I disgress.
Regardless, it's disappointing for a series to be so good for so long and only stumble right at the finishing line. It really wouldn't have been that hard to have a fairly simple ending that satisfyingly tied up the character arcs of the important characters. It could be Eren giving up and accepting his peoples' demise, or Eren winning and wiping out the world. The time travel stuff was unnecessary, explaining Ymir's origin was unnecessary, and the politics was actually underdeveloped.
what i don't understand about ending haters is that almost ALL of them boil down their points to eren's justification, and even THAT is wrong because the justification was: -he had no choice, it's either sacrificing his loved ones of killing the rest -you can't change the future while the justifications may not be reasonable with some people, what matters is it fits eren's personality and there is no denying that as for the "love story", get a grip, a love story in an anime doesn't kill it just enjoy it, it's not like mikasa is the very one to kill eren at the end
The real problem with the show is all the future/past bullshit. None of this shit is even remotely real, and when I say that I don't mean it in a normal sense. Like, obvious Titans and shit aren't real either, but the whole concept of their being a future or a past is not even a coherent/conceptual possibility. People are so brain-warped on time travel and misunderstand physicists on this all the time, but basically, you can never go into the future (in the sense given in AoT) or into the past (In the sense given in AoT). Even trying to think of how that could ever be possible is completely incoherent. Like, if you ask me how Hyorinmaru works in Bleach, I can at least try and say something like it absorbs heat from its surroundings to 'create' cold or some shit like that (e.g. creating the absense of heat), pragmatically impossible sure, but at least if you 'could' do that you could have frost powers. There's no "If you could" here at all. It just doesn't make sense in any possible way. Time travel/time changing etc is a complete nonstarter and it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'Time' in the sense of how it's being portrayed in AoT, actually is. Everything else is basically fine. It should have been Eren 1v9ing Marley and the rest of humanity and basically killing everyone to protect Mikassa/Armin and their friends and those people running around trying to save as many innocent civilians as they could as the world burns.
I like the endings of the vast majority of Anime I've finished, even Anime I didn't like over all I generally feel like the ending fit the story. But I also feel people overvalue endings too much, "The Journey is more important then the destination" is ironically one of the morals of a lot of popular stories, yet people keep refusing to apply to story telling itself.
Ending fucks up the story because if you don't like how it ends, you don't want to rewatch it/relive it/recommend it to others. It doesn't make whole story bad, I agree. It does take away a lot and changes perception of story itself :/
The journey is cool and is a big part of the story but.. executing a DECENT ending wraps up a good story.. you can have a banger of a beginning and middle but if your ending is bad.. it overshadows all the hard work you put into the first parts. FMAB and HxH 2011 have satisfying endings even tho hunter isn’t “finished” but we have 148 episodes of great story telling and a sincere final moment between gon and ging.
what you said is true for slice of life or romance genres maybe. but not for sth like aot where everything is about "the reveal" and has been since episode 1. thats why theres so many plot twists in the story, bc we wanna know the truth
@@lunali7209 PLL was also nominally about it's Mysteries right from episode 1. But the disappointing way it ends doesn't take away form what I actually liked about the show. I liked AOT early on for it's character, by the start of the "Final Season" most of them are either dead and now acting completely different, that's why I dropped the show well before it reached it's end.
As soon as i mentioned eren turning into a bird right there i figured your review was bunk and u clearly didnt understand what you were watching i u think eren got reincarnated into a bird XD
Only went as far as 6 mins into the video and the points you're coming up with are the same old regurgitation of popular superficial critique towards the ending. The ending of FMA: brotherhood wasn't perfect as well and a lot of the times throughout the series Arakawa sensei introduced timely saves without any setup behind them. does that completely ruin fma ? no but it surely isn't a story without its flaws , the same goes for aot's ending. A deep analysis over the themes of the story would take much longer than 18mins and certainly a lot of work behind it , anyways anyone who has been paying attention to the recurring themes within the story would realise all of those themes are present in the ending. Btw there was no love between ymir and king fritz but sadly you won't be able to figure it out when you literally interpret things at face value without expending any of your brain cells.
While I have to agree that it is becoming harder and harder for authors to write endlings that satisfies everyone, aot is a different story. Idk what people who hated it were expecting but isayama build up his story perfectly and finishes his work just how he intended it. From all the arguments I’ve heard people I am convinced that people who think the ending didn’t fit or was genuinely bad have never understood it in the first place
Because committing genocide is never justifiable and never makes someone part victim and hero. Time travel storyline is so unnecessary and introduces a lot of plotholes like Eren can change things that does not lead to violence. To say it's a crap writing after they reached the sea is an understatement. It's plot twist after plot twist for shock value and have forgotten the Armin and Eren character from S1-S3. Author singlehandedly destroyed both character.
coundn´t be fursther from the truth. there is only one single goal that eren has to achieve which is him being killed by mikasa. if anything else happens he cant achieve a good future for his friends and stop the titan curse. the "plotholes" aren´t really plotholes when you consider that the timetravel plotline helped eren to comme to the goal he had to achieve. i can explain all the twists and plotlines that make it so complex to you if you want, however all of them are thought out in full detail to lead to that one final ending which was perfectly done in the manga. thats also the reason why any aoe is stupid @@arvi8843
the ending was changed lol iayama has said multiple times about changing the ending and how he wanted it to play out like the ending of the movie the mist
There is a grey line to the author. My take on this is: no one has a correct way to live life. So I think I can apply this to the author maybe possibly choosing to do such a convoluted ending and sloppy job to show people that it doesn't have to be socially acceptable for writing and just the general rules of living.... idk wtf. My head hurts
Seeing Paradis getting genocided by the outside world launching nuclear weapons on Shiganshina made me a hardcore yeagerist. Eren should have destroyed 100% of humanity straight to hell!
@@Solaris_Paradox Did you ever read what Miss Kiyomi said to Floch? "Fight will never end, you will just make the world a smaller place." Aside from that Eren's death stopped them from living like Cattle. Eren himself wasn't a Jeagerist. The entire show Eren, Erwin and everyone said that "Conflict will never end."
@@Soulkinthehuman Stockholm syndrome is pseudoscience, it isn't a diagnosable mental illness and isn't on the American diagnostic and statistical manual which is used worldwide. stop making excuses for bad writing. If I had nickel for every time someone makes excuses for this pseudo-illness I would be the richest man in the world.
For me the brilliance of AoT was that it's a sort of anti-shonen, the stuborness of Eren through the whole series takes him really far, but the things he does are questionable and he lives through traumtising things again and again. Eren went though hell and became a single minded person that did terrible things. The ending is an acknowledgment of how broken and hurt he was and where that had taken him, it's what made the series close for me. I disagree with your conception of a good ending, what you describe is a satisfactory or feel good ending, nothing wrong with that but AoT could never end like that. Lots of animes (and stories in any medium) don't finish like this, we don't always need to know where each character ends up, especially when they played their role in the major theme of the story like in AoT.
Welp, not everyone will particularly like an ending of a story because ut doesn't suit the way they like. But this is not your story, it's Hajime Isayama's story and in my opinion I believe he's an excellent writer, no matter the flaws he might have. So calling him a failed writer, and other degrading names won't change the ending whether you like it or not Sorry
Plothole and retcons is objectively bad writing. And that's all AOT ending rely on: plotholes and retcons Your fellings about Isayama is completely irrelevant here. His writing flaws matter and people should point this out for future writers dont make the same mistakes and destroy their story like Isayama did. He still can fix it with a New ending though. But when he Still have meat riders acting like he is a GOD i doubt he will bother to fix this story
2:38 The Ending of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood is hot garbage. During their entire journey everyone is encouraging the Eldric Brothers to get their bodies restored instead of trying to help them accept that the universe does not care that they were children. They effed up and they’re gonna have to deal with the consequences of that for the rest of their lives. Edward & Alfonso Eldric story is insulting and disrespectful to every handicapped person who has to accept and adapt to their new physical reality. But it’s not surprising that it’s written with such an absurdly happy ending because its author is a woman and they tend to about always want to give their characters a happy ending.
What a misogynist, I think women can write bitter sweet endings just read paradise kiss. It was not a happy ending if anything, even Rose of Versailles had a tragic ending and it's an absolute classic so ur comment don't make sense at all
@@lain5858 Asian men are well known to be the most feminine looking and behaving men of all. Just look at how much Japan artist love to have effeminate looking male protagonist. Back in the day on X-Play they use to always talk about “Dude look like a lady.” Where it came to way too many Japanese video games. And Ladyboys in Thailand really do be looking better than a lot of biological women sometimes. No Caucasian or African Drag Queens can pass for female as good as Asian men can.
@@beyondthegravebrandon yet J.K. Rowling gave us that dreadful “Epilogue” to Harry Potter. And what matters here is what the most successful female authors do, not some random obscure female author. FMA was a hugely successful anime and manga. I’ve never heard of no “Paradise Kiss” it might be good it might be bad but it’s completely unknown to me. FMA has been in my life since 2003 on Toonami.
Writing an epic, coheret story is not easy. Good job for a lot of it Isayama. It's far easier to write a few paragraphs criticising it (which I definitely wanted to do). Honestly the most satisfying solution is to go write something my own way, and seeing what I don't want has helped clarify that.
the ending was literally amazing, both anime and manga BOTH ENDINGS too.notice how majority of this video is him talking about another anime or something else completely unrelated to AoT like statistics or something else completely random. i think this videos script was a FAILURE. you just compared instead of analyzing the world, the characters and the overall message/tone of AoT. (which isnt edgy darkness btw) for instance at 6:00 youre literally purposefully avoiding the fact that eren spent an incredibly long time talking to each of his friends so to try to convey that it doesnt make sense for his friends to be thanking him, doesnt make sense. that point wasnt well thought out at all
The ending was trash. Period. Isayama assassinated eren's characterization. How do you go from being someone who seemingly had a goal to accomplish to saying i don't know why i killed millions of people? If you are going to do something you know is wrong and you have already made up your mind, at least stand by your wrong. Then maybe people will take you more seriously. Armin was inconsistent in this final arc. He should be outraged especially since eren can apparently control outcomes and the latter lost his grandfather. Instead he punches him over dogkasa who aside crom combat is just not an important character. If Isayama wanted to make her more important to the story he should have built her up more. He did that with Historia so it's not as if he couldn't. Of he really wanted eremika to work he should worked more on their relationship dynamic. A slow build up of eren slowly starting to notice her more as the story continues. Instead we get zero signs of him being into her until the end!? Really!? That's not how you write romance and you don't need to be an experienced author to kniw this. It's why we say eremika is BS. Mikasa is a frustrating character to many because she got no development from start to finish. It's just eren despite the fact he treated her badly in past instances. And don't come to me with the age excuse. He didn't treat the other girls like that. Isayama wanted to make ger more important than she actually was when it was already too late. And the plotholes of this show! Why was Annie not punished, when she ruthlessly killed their comrades and showed no remorse? Why did Armin have feelings for her when she tried to kill him too after she was exposed? How did eren manage to get into mikasa's head in the last episode when Kenny told levi that the reason the Ackerman family was persecuted was because they couldn't have their memories erased or altered by the king? So how did that cabin scene happen? We don't even get a good explanation. If eren could somehow control events why didn't he save the people if his home town? He claims to care about eldia yet didn't finish the rumbling, which left 20% of the world's population alive. That is still a bigger population than eldia. And now an eldia without titan powers. As we saw in the post credit scene they rebuilt and attacked paradis. Meaning eren doomed his own people even with his frirnds being long dead. He knew about zeke's pkan with the wine but didn't bother telling the MPs? Pyxis who supported him wholeheartedly in the first season had to die so brutally and for what? Eldia would have better off had eren not been born at all.
"spent an incredibly long time talking to each of his friends" _everything happens in like 5 minutes_ _only armin's talk is shown_ yeah okay. horrible pacing or horrible writing (its both) also this video is an analysis on endings in general and the pressure of being a mangaka. its not an AOT specific analysis since there's plenty out there.
AOT ending is literally a carbon copy of Code Geas but worse. Its amazing how Isayama was lazy and just straight up stole the plot from another story And meat riders like you still want to defend this carbon copy as a "Masterpiece" 😂
The ending failed because Isayama couldn't let go of Mikasa and Armin, even though he had much more interesting characters to work with. It's apparent he became much better at writing characters during his process of drawing Attack on Titan. All the characters introduced in the beginning are one dimensional with the only exception being Jean, who Isayama claimed to be his favorite character. But by the time the Marley arc starts, he has become a master at making interesting and complex characters like Historia, Kenny, Erwin, Grisha, Reiner and Zeke.
I think Isayama was aware of this himself, because when Reiner tells his family about the 104th, he points out how the people there were all single minded and lacked any real personality.
Despite that, Isayama stubbornly needed Armin and Mikasa to play a major part in the ending, despite their only traits being:
"strong and in love with Eren"
and
"smart and dislikes violence"
This meant Isayama needed to dumb Eren down, since he had developed into a complex character, unlike Mikasa and Armin. Ymir being in love with Fritz and Eren wanting to be stopped are silly, non sensical plot points, created only to give those two characters some kind of chance to interact with the central conflict
i think isayama missed a huge chance with jean tbh. he should have written jean as the parallel and counterpart to eren - i mean its hinted at a lot in s1 that they cant stand each other bc they are opposites, but as the viewers we know that they are pretty similar in their temperament. isayama should have used jean as the character that both counters and mirrors eren during important introspective moments and should have tied mikasa's character development from toxic obsession with eren (which makes her selfless to her own detriment) to discovering true love with jean into this. this would have solved the whole toxic eremika mess.
armin should have been the brain-y, kind dude that was less tied to the eren-mikasa trio but became more and more involved with characters like erwin and hange. in s3, armin should have died, erwin should have survived. s4 should have just been our guys going to war with the rest of the world and winning in the end, albeit it being a bleak victory with many losses (i wouldnt have even cared about my fave characters dying if the ending was like this and actually good tbh)
@@lunali7209My boy Jean was forgotten as soon as season 1 ended. I don't know if you agree, but after his character development he's just kind of there.
This analysis was a painful cope to read through. Eren wasn’t a complex character held back by a 1 dimensional supporting cast, he had his character assassinated off screen with some extremely shitty reasoning cobbled together after the fact. The AoT ending was a lazy mess thrown together for shock value and a quick conclusion, not a misunderstood masterpiece.
@trekrl2327 My man, I never said Eren was a complex character. Read my painful cope comment again, and don't make things up.
It was really just the entire final season like why did everyones motivations change and characters got changed and assassinated. Just a lot of weird decisions
right... like i dislike the entirety of season4, not just the finale. the "both sides are the same" sht annoyed me
naah, s4 part 1 was great till the rumbling started
@@skyrider11910yeah same, that first part of s4 was great, it’s a shame
Yes I see a lot of people who accepts the fourth season and just dislikes the ending but I think the problem started with the fourth season. It is unlike the show to have some complicated problem and then say there is only 2 solutions. Like who is buying that? The entire world has never agreed on anything but apparently everyone agreed to hate them. Also there are SO many strategies that you could absolutely employ in that situation yet they act like they only have a few choices. Plus in the end it would have been much better to just go with zeke's plan but like I said I think it would have just been best to introduce some new characters /groups and have an exhilarating ending that sums up the story nicely but not without its share of grim moments and sacrifice. This stupid war was not the way to go.
Code Geass's Ending is literal PERFECTION.
Isayama tried so hard to replicate that ending in Attack on Titan but failed miserably at it.
Did yam really that ending all along or did he just copied it off last min because he didn’t know how to to end the plot
Whether someone likes ending or not, at least they can't say that Lelouch character and motivations are not consistent
@@anonimowelwiatko9811 doesn't bros goal and motivation change like 3 times throughout the show
@@lilg6615 it was never consistent throughout the show, though, so the ending is consistent with the inconsistency and following rule of cool over everything else.
@@BobWillis-tw3nx BullSHIT!
Isayama tried to be an intellectual author, lacking much of the intellectual bit, and ruining his own legacy by briniging a bad ending to his story. This story be an obligatroy part of any writing course about how not to end your story.
I think he did really well!! up to season 3 lol. in fact i think i read somewhere that he had an ending and scrapped after they cast reached the sea. personally, i would have liked if the story tried to do a pay off for Eren Kruger instead? what an interesting character and only to be brought up, like twice? just the complete retconning of his character by Ymir, Mikasa kissing Eren's corpse's head, the random okapi that massively gags Armin's mouth with its tongue... just so many choices made here, and why????
The original manga ending was fine to me and the anime ending was perfect. I recently rewatched it again and still love the last season most. The first three seasons were intriguing but season four was a masterpiece and it brings the whole story up to a whole different level than I've ever seen.
@@herbert1012 I am glad that you liked it. A lot of people liked last season of Game of Thrones as well and some people like the new Napoleon movie. Just because you subjectively like something does not mean that it is very good when weighed against other works of litterature.
I disagree. He could of wrapped up the ending a bit more tightly, but to pretend he shit all over his legacy is completely disingenuous. AOT still had a great ending imo.
@@lightinferno4490 In writing, ending is everything. As soon you say " he could have wrapped up the ending a bit more tightly..." you agree that the work is not great, just good. There are ,amy good worls of art around but only the brilliant ones stay the test of time, hence my comment about his Legacy. Salieri was a very good composer in his time, even more popular than Mozart. We all know whose legacy is better remembered though.
I think the ending ruins the series for me. However, now that it’s animated, I’ve noticed some people like the ending. I have some friends who don’t hate it either. I don’t understand it but maybe there’s something I’m missing? I just feel like they did so many character assassinations last second where people just acted so out of character that it felt like it was a different writer.
When you read the manga you are solely focused on the characters and the story. That's why there's a big contrast with anime onlys and manga readers.
manga really relies on dialogue and story.
in anime you get a full sensory experience with music, voice acting, sound, movement, color, all that stuff.
it's easy to equate the emotional experience of watching the anime to the quality of writing.
The above comments prettyuch explain it but there's also the fact that animeonlies watched the show with huge gaps in between. Manga readers had monthly discussions revolving around the newest chapters and how they affect the story. Manga readers just understood the story better since it was always fresher in our minds compared to animeonlies
Maybe they are just on a honeymoon phase? Give them some time to realize how they are wrong.
The ending itself isn’t horrible, especially with the anime extending the era of peace. The final fight with the founder Titan was cool. Even Eren wanting Mikasa to kill him was fine. But they ruined Eren and Armin’s character.
Going against the core theme and characters is a perfect description of the ending of AOT. It’s blatantly obvious Isayama didn’t want Eren to be completely evil, so he coped out and we instead got an idiotic justification for his actions.
I don't think it's normal or moral to send death threats to anime writers.
It's his work, if he wants to burn it to the ground, he can do it (and he did it for AoT).
For me, AoT ended on Season 3 Part 2, when the Beast Titan was defeated and Eren saw the sea with MIkasa and Armin. That's the ending. It might not complete the story, but at least it still made sense.
Not the stupid and amateurish writing after the time skip. Where Eren became a different chracter without a true reason (don't tell me he was possessed or something, because we aren't doing cheap horror movies here). Out of nowhere time travel can change the past and the future without changing the present (that is a paradox, time travel can't do that). And many other plot and character consistency problems.
are you r worded?
@@vsdariuss No, he is completely right. He points out a lot of issues I have with the series. Top of the list are time skips, and time travel. Time skip implies you are bored writing your own story as you could not think of anything important happening in your own narrative for years of the world. Time travel should under no circumstances ever be a mechanic in a series that has not set out to specifically explore it as a mechanic.
Even in those stories that do, time travel is a problem that will make your story fall apart at the seams because it is constantly at the risk of being nonsensical. A series implementing time travel as a mechanic at the end of it (among many other mechanics) is nothing less than a deus ex machina to help you escape from your corner you have written yourself into. I think the theory in this video that Isayama was rushed actually makes a lot of sense.
In my opinion, this story was heading towards a realistic world war type scenario but with the opposing sides having nukes (aka titans). It feels like that was a potential avenue for the story which would have been awesome and terrifying.
@@vsdariussare you n worded?
@@dodoheadofCentury Thats on you bro, and I think your point on timeskips is complete nonsense. Some of the best written stories like LOTR have timeskips. I do agree to an extent with time travel however. I hated AOTs ending at first but their are some points that I completely missed on my first read so I have an alright view of the story now.
@@LutherusPXCs Dude. Come on. Lord of the rings felt like time passage, not skipping. I call it a time skip because it feels like we skipped multiple important developments for key characters. That is not the case at all in lord of the rings when time moves forward, such as Frodo in the shire after bilbo leaves. He basically lives most of his life out. Why would Tolkien talk about that? Now you could say Isayama was doing the same. But there are some major differences. When we come back to Frodo he has barely changed as a character. Even after all those years he still admired his uncle for going on an adventure and thus his initial motivation for the story is in tact.
You and I both know that is completely different from attack on titan. They move time forward which is fine if nothing major has happened. But then we got tons of flashbacks to the time that we moved past, almost to say that that period of time actually was important huh? Heck, all of the characters trajectories as characters completely changed, except Eren, maybe. Armin at the end of season 3 was queued up to be the next Erwin, in his own way but still. Armin after the time skip turns into Armin from season 1. For the runtime of the story Armin’s character arc was steadily chipping away at his indecision in high pressure situations. All of that gets flushed down the drain at the beginning of season 4 and we are back to square one. Mikasa, well honestly not much had happened with her except maybe her motivations being centered around Eren maturing a bit. You could say there was a hint of that, maybe.
The point is it isn’t a time skip if nothing happens. It is a passage of time. We aren’t wasting the readers time by telling you about Frodo smoking a pipe and eating good food for 20 years (I don’t remember how long it was but it was a long time). With attack on titan you know that isn’t true. We never once had a flashback to Frodo during that time he spent in the shire. It was non relevant to the story. To the sequence of events it was relevant, but for all intents and purposes it could be summed up in a few sentences, which the story teller wisely decided to do. You’re comparing fresh apples to rotten bananas.
Like George RR Martin says, writers can be garners or architects, you could have totally planned a story to beginning to an ending or have seeds of a story, that you built over time, my personal philosophy is never write a story if you not have the ending already planned in your head, not matter if it takes years to reach there.
The problem is not having an ending already planned, the problem is maintaining it until the end of the fictional work. I'm sure that Isayama changed the ending at least 3 times, and when he chose "The Rumble", he didn't know how to get there either and made many other changes.
best endings ever:
- end of evangelion
- shinsekai yori
- girls' last tour
- lucky star
- one piece
p.s. I'm from 2077
i know you're lying since one piece will only end if the sun burns out
As a man from the year 2100, the best ending is One Piece Shipudden
I agree with Shinsekai Yori. Spitting facts.
evangelion ending is not all that lol
@@anonimowelwiatko9811 It's such underappreciated masterpiece.
we should have known it was gonna go to shit when isayama suddenly wanted us to think that erwin is selfish for wanting humanity to go outside the walls and killed him off as punishment just so he can save the fan favorite armin.
An anime with a basic ass art style renowned for its story, a story which in the end turns out to be really bad. Massive L, most overrated anime of all time. 7/10
In order for a story to have a good ending. It needs to actually be poignant, while concluding plot and character arcs. AOT was doomed to have an unsatisfactory ending after the writer raised the stakes. Eren's characterization became a convoluted mess after joining with the founding titan, so any reasoning he could have for the rumbling just simply became confusing mess for the viewer. I somehow see arguments in sympathy for Eren and his decisions (ignoring the fact that he did actually do genocide single-handed for no reason at all). It turns the whole "Griffith did nothing wrong" thing up to 11. Kinda rediculous, but that's not the primary reason why the ending sucks. It sucks because they did not lean into any direction. It was wishy washy. Eren just wanted his friends to have a life, so he killed 80% of humanity and set things up so Mikasa killed him. Ok. That's confusing and weird. Ymir's characterization is more comical than it is tragic. You telling me Zeke sat in paths for years and couldn't figure out she loved Fritz? It's so obvious, despite being stupid as hell. Stolkholm syndrome for fucking millenia. Dumb. All these elements pile onto eachother to make this one big nothing burger, then they lean into the sheer nothingness that is the story overall by including these last few panels where humanity just nukes itself out of existence, then the titan power is rediscovered. So the story they wanted to tell is what? War never changes? History repeats itself? What sort of fatalistic BS is that? The whole show is fatalistic, sure, but it was always about hope as well. Kinda feels hopeless to just say "actually the cycle of death and hope for a better future is a neverending story." So what point are you making in this work? Nothing at all really. Just let your leaders nuke humanity and destroy the planet. Fucking awesome story dude.
Amazing summarization, I'm baffled at how many casual viewers just turned their brains off and called this meme "peak fiction".
maybe turn you own brain on to understand the point of the story cuz nothing of what you said is true
@@lionskill6246all ending defenders say "you dont understand the story" when its actually just dogshit, we get it. Its just not good
@@TruePeaceSeekerThis is just factually true. Nobody misunderstands the ending, they just recognize that its flawed to all hell and back. Theres subversion of expectation, and then theres abandoning charactetization, forgetting plot threads, poor explanation, convoluted lore, contradictory writing, irrational descision making, ret-cons. The list goes on and the only reason ending-defenders are picking up steam now is because the anime has finally finished and the emotions are at a peak. People dont want to accept that their favourite anime ended on a weak note because they have invested over a decade into it. But once the honeymoon phase ends, so too will everyone's rose tinted glasses and itl go back to "lol remember aot's ending? 😂😂"
@@TruePeaceSeeker its ok if you don´t like it but saying that its is a failure cuz you dont understand it isn´t fair. judging off the comments no one has acually watched or read the show. if you really get it explain it to me and explain why it was so bad
Attack on Titan started to go off the rails for me when they introduced "magic that erased an entire populations memory" but I stuck with it. After the time skip and Eren's sudden, unexplained heel turn, and also the show expecting me to suddenly sympathize with Reiner I really started to lose interest. When I learned about the "Eren is a self fulfilling prophecy" bullshit, I completely wrote the series off. I knew it was bad and would only get worse.
I’ve seen this criticism a few times but why is magic that erases an entire population’s memory inherently bad writing? It makes sense within the story and it’s established rules, plus there was a lot of build up and foreshadowing leading up to it so it’s not like it was lazily integrated or anything. I really don’t see why this is a bad thing?
@@toxin4609 I dont think it by itself is inherently a bad thing. However, I did not see the foreshadowing for it. It hit me put of nowhere. I expected more science fiction less fantasy magic. And by itself it might have been fine, the series continued to use increasingly wild magic to explain increasingly questionable writing decisions that turned me off by the time Eren did his heel turn off screen between seasons which is then explained by time loops and pre-destination.
Ishiyama really did fell off. It’s sad to see.
He rly did not "not fell off" to begin with.
kinda fell off since the ocean
Bro's thumbnail predicted the new changes they added to the ending
I think it was a homage to Evangelion.
Nostalgia plays a factor as well. Geass was rushed beyond belief in the last arc or two. Lots of great individual moments but it was clunky as hell.
One of the greatest fumbles in the history of fiction Isayama had an opportunity to create one of the greatest stories ever told and he blew it with a forced romance piece of shit ending.
Eren died for nothing, he failed to protect Paradis from getting genocided by the outside world, he killed his own mom, turned into a stupid bird so that Jean can plow Mikasa, whucu mind you they show off their kid in front of Eren's grave! Literally SNL comedy skit right there! Lmfao
Hagjme Isayama is the Todd Howard of mangakas, hope that failed internet cafe owner never makes a shitty manga ever again!
This makes me love Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass much more! What a fucking Chad. He would be laughing so hard from hell with Eren right now. It was neck and neck for which anime was better, but this just sealed the deal.
Also as usual, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood remains as the God Emperor of GOATED Anime endings. That pure Titan lookin' ass Isayama wishes Attack on Titan has a better ending than Hiromu Arakawa's masterpiece.
OMFG IM LICKING YOUR VIDEO JUST FOR HISTORIA. Man it's incredible how much character asassination historia received. Isayama kept her like 30 or 40 episodes off screen, making her plot to be pregnant, she gave birth, Eren wasn't the father, end of the series. Even the fans disrespect Historia, like, nobody talks about her like if she wasn't the most important and powerful woman in the series (besides ymir of course)
Isayama's writing style is amateur since the very start. If you haven't notice his gimmick is all about plot twist every end of chapter. The problem with him is the fact that he never gives any payoff which is the main reason why people lost interest in AoT after reading the ending. I won't be surprised if people won't bother reading his next manga if he decides to make one because people are now wary that all the emotional investment will just be disregarded by Isayama.
If you geniuenly think seasons 1-3 could be written by an "amateur" then you are more delusional than eren
@@OBUNGUS487 Cope. You are the one deluding yourself that AoT was a great manga.
@@Nemesis_T_Type no
@@Nemesis_T_Type If seasons 1-3 were bad, people wouldn't be so extremely upset at the ending.
@@OBUNGUS487 as someone who has enjoyed the writing from seasons 1 to 3, they are completely amateur. It's still a very entertaining story but it's not exactly breaking the mould with anything. The guy knows how to keep people interested, but that's it.
Great video, hope you get more views!
I hope he doesn't 😡
Not sure if you'll see this but this was a really well thought out, unfortunately low viewed video.
Lots of hype knee jerk reaction videos popping up now, I hope this drives some views to this you raise some insightful and balanced view points.
Also I really enjoy the Evangelion inspired thumbnail which apparently many people have missed.
An incredible story with beautiful setup and foreshadowing literally squandered in a miserably failed attempt at shock value and intellectualism. A perfect blend of mystery and pacing that completely threw all its own themes out the window and assassinated all of its main characters in the final season.
I think Isayama did really well!! up to season 3 :/ i think i read somewhere that he had an ending and scrapped it after the cast reached the sea. personally, i would have liked if the story tried to do a pay off for Eren Kruger instead? what an interesting character and only to be brought up, like twice? just the complete retconning of Eren Yeager's character by Ymir, Mikasa kissing Eren's corpse's head, the random okapi that gags Armin's mouth with its massive tongue... just so many choices made here, and for why????
ONLY. YMIR. KNOWS.
don't question it 😂
the disrespect towards eren kruger still pisses me off til this day. isayama really made him fight side by side with the alliance against eren. like WHY would eldian restorationist EREN FUCKING KRUGER fight against eren yet alone fight against an attack titan ... as an attack titan himself?? that just goes against the attack titans' power ...
@@lunali7209 like i see where you're coming from and i have a similar complaint too. I wanted Eren Yeager to use the attack titan for what Eren Kruger wanted (liberation for eldians). Writing it so Eren only cared about Paradis knowing the sacrifices of Kruger and the rest of the restorationists and the current oppression of eldians globally, made me sad that he only narrowed in on Paradis. Fine, I get it, but also idk lol. I think Kruger fighting Eren at the end made sense because he didn't want the Marleyan Eldians to die? idk lol tbh, i think the ending was weird and there was no pay off to the second part of the third season imo
I think the message i get from this is that this is all a big trauma response. The rumbling, zeke's plan(originated from the previous beast), gabi killing sasha, ymir seemingly willingly staying a slave, these are all responses to trauma that characters experience. Eren couldn't let go of the stuff that has happened to the point he'd get revenge at all cost. I do think the power of the founder does push him over. I think that's why eren feels like 2 different characters. He knows this stuff is crazy, that's why he tries to protect his friends and even defend his enemies at times. He wants to let go and be optimistic but future eren is over it so he chooses the rumbling. That's why eren couldn't change the future, because future eren wouldn't allow it, hence why he sent the smiling titan to his mom. He had to be pushed this far in order to decide to rumble the world
Eren did not care about revange anymore since in Marley arc. He straight up said that to Reiner in Liberio
Just accept that this ending is just bad
thats fair however attack on titan was never mainly about characters and their traumas. sure those were important parts of the story and we got whole episodes that were character-centered but overall the story was about humanity inside the walls living in oppression bc of titans and trying to find out the truth and get outside of the walls. thats what we needed closure for. characters dying or surviving is all fine in aot's context given that a ton of important and loved characters did die in the entire story before too. the fact that they died but that the story went on to still be good proved that the story was never about singular characters. so the argument that this was all supposed to be isayama tryna send us a message about trauma is ... not working for me, sorry
In the end it comes to how isayama wanted to portray eren beyond his death.
What we got is basically to make the audience feel sad for eren when he literally LEVELED 80% of humanity.
Literally what yams could do is make eren keep conviction to his goal of protecting paradis, with his death by armin also one of his plans to have the next helos.
It should've been a battle of conviction til the very end.
But yams really WANT eren to be remembered as a great person with "eren what a man you are" "thank you for being a mass murderer for our sake" LMAO. That won't slide
Ymir loving the king is also the biggest asspull in any fiction. Stockholm syndrome is pseudo science, having it there in AoT shows yams was desperate to have "muh parallelism" to mikasa.
every ending defender pulls out stockholm syndrome as a wonder solution buzzword without understanding anything about it beyond "abuse = love"
At 40 seconds in I disagree that hype kept building I always knew from the very end of season one that this show would be destined for stupid things. TBH I really don’t get what people liked about this show at all minus the first season and a few cool emotion endearing scenes. But when it took them so long to make season two back then I already knew when season two released that it was all bad to come and now people look at this like a tainted love. They don’t wanna hate it but they know it’s actually worthless trash with a cool premise.
Anyone help me with fkn JEAN being with Mikasa so I can escape this depression?
FKNNNNNHOWWWW
yea I would have preferred Jean with Pieck, like she's still wearing the scarf ffs. Jean deserved better than that
uh wtf Mikasa disserve better then that horse face@@pjrodriguez386
bro literally only cared about the ships xDDD
@@link--wv6puby the end the entire series came to be about 2 toxic senseless ships anyways (ymir - king fritz & mikasa - eren)
I see nothing wrong with it 🙄
The thing about Eren killing his mother sounds like a random passing idea with no other motivation than to subvert expectations. Like "woah wouldnt it be crazy if this happened???"... without actually thinking about it from a storytelling pov.
i didn't like that the story changed from humans versus titans to humans vs humans. Why did the ape titan need to be a human? Why are there so many humans in the rest of the world? I was hoping the titans are their own race and the humans inside the wall are acutally the only humans left in the whole world. The reveal from the cellar was so underwhelming. The change of eren to become the main villain was also really stupid. Misaka would never kill him.
Same 💯. When Jean, Sasha, and Connie and heck Even Armin killed fellow Eldians and people from Liberio is where it went downhill. Like it's so not their character. Could've been an "adventure/discovery route" instead of "political/genocidal route".
So basically your saying that it should have never moved past it's 1st act.
Which is against EVERY story structure to ever existed 🤦♂️
@@paulmoses3381 It could've been like The Walking Dead, world-building. The outside world is suffering like them but have different tactics and not ODM gear. I think the discovery route is more interesting than dark/political/time travel stuff we get after that sea discovery.
Humans vs Humans change was great as it basically added extra layers to the story and saved it from being another generic monster/zombies/aliens vs humans story. But unfortunately, Isayama did not or could not write it properly.
@@arvi8843 i think the titans = humans twist was pretty compelling. it added a deeper layer into what seemed to be a simple monsters vs humans scenario. its just that isayama could not fully commit to it and gave us the fumbling arc
Listen, that’s all cool and good but personality wise He is not a good person. Great anime 12/20 on my scale (5 is average) but just because he was under a lot of pressure there’s no change the fact it is a bad ending with how much IP generated during 2020 when everyone was on lockdown, he could’ve easily postponed writing the last 10 chapters for years and I would’ve been fine with it however, I did not wait 10 years for him to hit me with a such a boring ending in such awful themes I really wish the Times were animes like no game no life dominated the genre come back I’m tired of watching people lose I’m a living breathing person I get to enjoy taking L every day I’m alive I don’t need to watch some sad 19 old virgin fail to deliver on his resolve and for the story to conclude by telling me war is bad racism is bad love is a curse Bro king Fritz was an abuser. I don’t care if.
Exactly osayama always wants to put edgy themes in his stories but at the cost of everything that makes sense in the story. In s4 he cranked that shit up to 11 and its so stupid how he wants to make aot look like some smart anime for only intelectuals but he just says “war bad world cruel” theres no subtely. Nothing at all
Hope you make a new video for the anime ending
Eren: I'm gonna kill everyone because marley sucks
Historian and Armin: But we should talk to other countries first!
Eren: nuh uh
Historia and Armin: ok
Ending was absolutely dogshit but it was for a reason we’re getting an aoe planned by isayama
Hopefully
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@@gergelydeli4526 we fought, we seethed, we raged, we screamed, we coped, we lost
15:08 they could just write something like high school DXD, where he gets everything, and does not have to choose “but that’s sexiest” 🤷♂️ hey there just drawings made for people old enough to distinguish reality from fantasy
The way people frame their opinions about this show or manga as objective fact is fascinating and worth examining. It’s perfectly fine to dislike something, but declaring that a piece of art is inherently “bad” or “a failure” feels strange. I hope this tendency stems from poor word choice or misunderstanding, but the sheer number of people making such definitive statements is surprising. Opinions, even when backed by evidence, remain subjective-they’re not facts.
Personally, it’s frustrating to see opinions framed as absolute truths. I have no issue with people disliking the story's ending, but their opinions don’t carry any more weight or authority than those of someone who passionately loves it. Art is inherently subjective, and each perspective is equally valid.
I love the ending.
I really am grateful I watched this video (coming from Aot ending supporter). The ending is rushed, confusing and difficult to digest....and I will still argue to this day that it is a good ending. Respectfully, I want to challenge your point about Edward from FMA and how his character resolution is strong in its ending because of the growth he goes through. I personally believe the same can be said very well (if not more so then with Eren Yeager). His choice to have his mom eaten for the sake of "moving forward" and because of the many other reasons (hard to connect to paths concept of time, recognizing there is a bigger picture at work) is HUGE character development from him. Eren was mad at the world because titans lived in it and they took his freedom away. Now with the power to save those that perished is what he has wanted for 3 seasons straight. But he grew up. He saw what the world was like beyond the walls and didn't embrace it whole heartedly, but gnashed his teeth at it. And above all he was willing to sacrifice precious things that meant a lot to him, for the sake of moving forward in his beliefs. The scene in season 3 where Eren beats the shit out of himself for being useless, replying that he hopes the brat is dead...is EXACTLY how he reacts to his mother getting eaten. He grew up and recognized in order to achieve something....you must become a monster, you must sacrifice your humanity "give your heart and soul to the cause". Which he did with sadness, suicidality, and pain. He knew he couldn't stop the rumbling/find a better answer because no such answer exists....and instead of whining about it/giving up (similar to past Eren) he fights. He fights the feelings and does something about it. He allows his mother to be eaten because the path laid before him leads to some type of peace. If he was the same Eren in the past, he'd probably give up/be stuck on the right answer....never sacrificing for the sake of others, never trusting others to lead what he has contributed/created, and never accepting anyone that has died and that killing is justified for the sake of your cause. He is a flawed character who was broken inside and only had the future to rely on for potential. It's tragic what happened to Eren because he was learning from his past by no longer trying to be the savior of the world.
The ideas are cool but just not executed well. Him giving up his humanity to achieve what he thinks is the correct goal is EXACTLY what I wanted from him, but doing it in this way undermines his basic character motivations. Why can't he just sacrifice something in the modern day and not cause a weird paradox?
I basically just wanted the ending to be Eren wins, wipes out the world, but hates himself for what he has done and isn't happy after it all. Or maybe he even gets tried and killed by his own people for his crimes, and willingly accepts the punishment out of guilt. That would be a cool, bittersweet, melancholic ending that would satisfy people.
@@someguywhocanfly I guess one of the biggest reasons I forgive this is because of the titan curse being ended. Clearly it wasn't possible to make the 13 year curse go away. If it was eren would have tried that...but getting rid of both titans and the curse allows everyone on Paradise to live long meaningful lives. (I.e. Armin in particular). Furthermore historia being fed for the next titan generation ceases. Just wiping everyone outside of the walls doesn't accomplish these goals...which in all honesty is why I think it's ok how it ended... because overall it was more then just wiping away the rest of humanity to eren.
@@joshholleran9005 I mean he could have just accepted the curse. I don't think Eren was afraid to die. His obsession with Historia was not great writing IMO anyway, you could just remove it and then he kinda wouldn't care. If he and his friends saved his people, they could die knowing they did that.
@@someguywhocanfly I disagree...it was good writing because he noticed in season 3 in the cave that the world should have the chance to move forward, instead of sacrificing people to continue the titan lineage. I agree eren doesn't think about the curse concerning his mortality. But if he wiped out everyone beyond paradise, the continued feeding and passing of the titans and the founder would continue....forever. limiting the freedom of people on paradise. Again...I get it and I don't think Eren could just drop that. He wanted to give the island a chance to make their own destiny, not being shackled by the whims of others and societal norms (feeding people to titans) that he considered as a problem.
Do you need to keep feeding people to titans? What if you just don't?@@joshholleran9005
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I'm not trying to sound condesending here, but the people who were/are outraged by the Attack on Titan's ending should take this as a lesson and try lowering your expectations for anything, and only judge something concretely after they have finished.
On a completely different note, it's only what I've heard, but us in Hong Kong/Taiwan calls the author of Hunter X Hunter 富奸, which basically means "the wicked rich", because often times the excuses for haitus is only that, excuses. And the quality of later chapters are abhorrent, the manga is basically sketches and not a finished product. There are even rumours of his wife, the author of Sailor Moon, drawing for him, but I disgress.
Regardless, it's disappointing for a series to be so good for so long and only stumble right at the finishing line. It really wouldn't have been that hard to have a fairly simple ending that satisfyingly tied up the character arcs of the important characters. It could be Eren giving up and accepting his peoples' demise, or Eren winning and wiping out the world. The time travel stuff was unnecessary, explaining Ymir's origin was unnecessary, and the politics was actually underdeveloped.
what i don't understand about ending haters is that almost ALL of them boil down their points to eren's justification, and even THAT is wrong because the justification was:
-he had no choice, it's either sacrificing his loved ones of killing the rest
-you can't change the future
while the justifications may not be reasonable with some people, what matters is it fits eren's personality and there is no denying that
as for the "love story", get a grip, a love story in an anime doesn't kill it just enjoy it, it's not like mikasa is the very one to kill eren at the end
The real problem with the show is all the future/past bullshit. None of this shit is even remotely real, and when I say that I don't mean it in a normal sense. Like, obvious Titans and shit aren't real either, but the whole concept of their being a future or a past is not even a coherent/conceptual possibility. People are so brain-warped on time travel and misunderstand physicists on this all the time, but basically, you can never go into the future (in the sense given in AoT) or into the past (In the sense given in AoT). Even trying to think of how that could ever be possible is completely incoherent.
Like, if you ask me how Hyorinmaru works in Bleach, I can at least try and say something like it absorbs heat from its surroundings to 'create' cold or some shit like that (e.g. creating the absense of heat), pragmatically impossible sure, but at least if you 'could' do that you could have frost powers.
There's no "If you could" here at all. It just doesn't make sense in any possible way. Time travel/time changing etc is a complete nonstarter and it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'Time' in the sense of how it's being portrayed in AoT, actually is.
Everything else is basically fine. It should have been Eren 1v9ing Marley and the rest of humanity and basically killing everyone to protect Mikassa/Armin and their friends and those people running around trying to save as many innocent civilians as they could as the world burns.
I like the endings of the vast majority of Anime I've finished, even Anime I didn't like over all I generally feel like the ending fit the story.
But I also feel people overvalue endings too much, "The Journey is more important then the destination" is ironically one of the morals of a lot of popular stories, yet people keep refusing to apply to story telling itself.
Ending fucks up the story because if you don't like how it ends, you don't want to rewatch it/relive it/recommend it to others. It doesn't make whole story bad, I agree. It does take away a lot and changes perception of story itself :/
The journey is cool and is a big part of the story but.. executing a DECENT ending wraps up a good story.. you can have a banger of a beginning and middle but if your ending is bad.. it overshadows all the hard work you put into the first parts. FMAB and HxH 2011 have satisfying endings even tho hunter isn’t “finished” but we have 148 episodes of great story telling and a sincere final moment between gon and ging.
That’s a moronic take
what you said is true for slice of life or romance genres maybe. but not for sth like aot where everything is about "the reveal" and has been since episode 1. thats why theres so many plot twists in the story, bc we wanna know the truth
@@lunali7209 PLL was also nominally about it's Mysteries right from episode 1. But the disappointing way it ends doesn't take away form what I actually liked about the show.
I liked AOT early on for it's character, by the start of the "Final Season" most of them are either dead and now acting completely different, that's why I dropped the show well before it reached it's end.
As soon as i mentioned eren turning into a bird right there i figured your review was bunk and u clearly didnt understand what you were watching i u think eren got reincarnated into a bird XD
birds don't wrap scarfs around people and even mikasa thanks eren (the bird) after
not everyone enjoys sappy cliche romance
aot was never a romcom wtf is this
Only went as far as 6 mins into the video and the points you're coming up with are the same old regurgitation of popular superficial critique towards the ending.
The ending of FMA: brotherhood wasn't perfect as well and a lot of the times throughout the series Arakawa sensei introduced timely saves without any setup behind them.
does that completely ruin fma ? no but it surely isn't a story without its flaws , the same goes for aot's ending.
A deep analysis over the themes of the story would take much longer than 18mins and certainly a lot of work behind it , anyways anyone who has been paying attention to the recurring themes within the story would realise all of those themes are present in the ending.
Btw there was no love between ymir and king fritz but sadly you won't be able to figure it out when you literally interpret things at face value without expending any of your brain cells.
While I have to agree that it is becoming harder and harder for authors to write endlings that satisfies everyone, aot is a different story. Idk what people who hated it were expecting but isayama build up his story perfectly and finishes his work just how he intended it. From all the arguments I’ve heard people I am convinced that people who think the ending didn’t fit or was genuinely bad have never understood it in the first place
Because committing genocide is never justifiable and never makes someone part victim and hero. Time travel storyline is so unnecessary and introduces a lot of plotholes like Eren can change things that does not lead to violence. To say it's a crap writing after they reached the sea is an understatement. It's plot twist after plot twist for shock value and have forgotten the Armin and Eren character from S1-S3. Author singlehandedly destroyed both character.
coundn´t be fursther from the truth.
there is only one single goal that eren has to achieve which is him being killed by mikasa. if anything else happens he cant achieve a good future for his friends and stop the titan curse. the "plotholes" aren´t really plotholes when you consider that the timetravel plotline helped eren to comme to the goal he had to achieve. i can explain all the twists and plotlines that make it so complex to you if you want, however all of them are thought out in full detail to lead to that one final ending which was perfectly done in the manga. thats also the reason why any aoe is stupid @@arvi8843
No, we understand it. It is simply dumb
the ending was changed lol iayama has said multiple times about changing the ending and how he wanted it to play out like the ending of the movie the mist
If Isayama said “ I still have doubts within myself if I did it right”
I think it’s fair for people to critique the ending.
Evangelion>>>>>
There is a grey line to the author. My take on this is: no one has a correct way to live life. So I think I can apply this to the author maybe possibly choosing to do such a convoluted ending and sloppy job to show people that it doesn't have to be socially acceptable for writing and just the general rules of living.... idk wtf. My head hurts
Seeing Paradis getting genocided by the outside world launching nuclear weapons on Shiganshina made me a hardcore yeagerist.
Eren should have destroyed 100% of humanity straight to hell!
@@Solaris_Paradox Did you ever read what Miss Kiyomi said to Floch?
"Fight will never end, you will just make the world a smaller place." Aside from that Eren's death stopped them from living like Cattle. Eren himself wasn't a Jeagerist.
The entire show Eren, Erwin and everyone said that "Conflict will never end."
AOT ended better than GOT so I'm happy with it
Ymir loving King Fritz despite him being massively abusive to her makes no sense at all.
Eren killed his own mom! WTF!?!
The bar is so low.... that's why authors just give us garbage endings
@@starknight103 Not at all, it is very common.
@@Soulkinthehuman Stockholm syndrome is pseudoscience, it isn't a diagnosable mental illness and isn't on the American diagnostic and statistical manual which is used worldwide. stop making excuses for bad writing. If I had nickel for every time someone makes excuses for this pseudo-illness I would be the richest man in the world.
For me the brilliance of AoT was that it's a sort of anti-shonen, the stuborness of Eren through the whole series takes him really far, but the things he does are questionable and he lives through traumtising things again and again. Eren went though hell and became a single minded person that did terrible things. The ending is an acknowledgment of how broken and hurt he was and where that had taken him, it's what made the series close for me. I disagree with your conception of a good ending, what you describe is a satisfactory or feel good ending, nothing wrong with that but AoT could never end like that.
Lots of animes (and stories in any medium) don't finish like this, we don't always need to know where each character ends up, especially when they played their role in the major theme of the story like in AoT.
aot was never about just eren.
Welp, not everyone will particularly like an ending of a story because ut doesn't suit the way they like.
But this is not your story, it's Hajime Isayama's story and in my opinion I believe he's an excellent writer, no matter the flaws he might have.
So calling him a failed writer, and other degrading names won't change the ending whether you like it or not
Sorry
Plothole and retcons is objectively bad writing.
And that's all AOT ending rely on: plotholes and retcons
Your fellings about Isayama is completely irrelevant here.
His writing flaws matter and people should point this out for future writers dont make the same mistakes and destroy their story like Isayama did.
He still can fix it with a New ending though. But when he Still have meat riders acting like he is a GOD i doubt he will bother to fix this story
2:38 The Ending of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood is hot garbage. During their entire journey everyone is encouraging the Eldric Brothers to get their bodies restored instead of trying to help them accept that the universe does not care that they were children. They effed up and they’re gonna have to deal with the consequences of that for the rest of their lives.
Edward & Alfonso Eldric story is insulting and disrespectful to every handicapped person who has to accept and adapt to their new physical reality.
But it’s not surprising that it’s written with such an absurdly happy ending because its author is a woman and they tend to about always want to give their characters a happy ending.
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Isayama is a woman then
What a misogynist, I think women can write bitter sweet endings just read paradise kiss. It was not a happy ending if anything, even Rose of Versailles had a tragic ending and it's an absolute classic so ur comment don't make sense at all
@@lain5858 Asian men are well known to be the most feminine looking and behaving men of all. Just look at how much Japan artist love to have effeminate looking male protagonist. Back in the day on X-Play they use to always talk about “Dude look like a lady.” Where it came to way too many Japanese video games.
And Ladyboys in Thailand really do be looking better than a lot of biological women sometimes. No Caucasian or African Drag Queens can pass for female as good as Asian men can.
@@beyondthegravebrandon yet J.K. Rowling gave us that dreadful “Epilogue” to Harry Potter. And what matters here is what the most successful female authors do, not some random obscure female author.
FMA was a hugely successful anime and manga. I’ve never heard of no “Paradise Kiss” it might be good it might be bad but it’s completely unknown to me. FMA has been in my life since 2003 on Toonami.
Whole bunch of haters here
Writing an epic, coheret story is not easy. Good job for a lot of it Isayama. It's far easier to write a few paragraphs criticising it (which I definitely wanted to do). Honestly the most satisfying solution is to go write something my own way, and seeing what I don't want has helped clarify that.
The end of Sasha was the signal, the series ded.
She was the spirit of good writing of the series.
the ending was literally amazing, both anime and manga BOTH ENDINGS too.notice how majority of this video is him talking about another anime or something else completely unrelated to AoT like statistics or something else completely random. i think this videos script was a FAILURE. you just compared instead of analyzing the world, the characters and the overall message/tone of AoT. (which isnt edgy darkness btw) for instance at 6:00 youre literally purposefully avoiding the fact that eren spent an incredibly long time talking to each of his friends so to try to convey that it doesnt make sense for his friends to be thanking him, doesnt make sense. that point wasnt well thought out at all
its garbage your just a simpleton lol
The ending was trash. Period. Isayama assassinated eren's characterization. How do you go from being someone who seemingly had a goal to accomplish to saying i don't know why i killed millions of people? If you are going to do something you know is wrong and you have already made up your mind, at least stand by your wrong. Then maybe people will take you more seriously. Armin was inconsistent in this final arc. He should be outraged especially since eren can apparently control outcomes and the latter lost his grandfather. Instead he punches him over dogkasa who aside crom combat is just not an important character. If Isayama wanted to make her more important to the story he should have built her up more. He did that with Historia so it's not as if he couldn't. Of he really wanted eremika to work he should worked more on their relationship dynamic. A slow build up of eren slowly starting to notice her more as the story continues. Instead we get zero signs of him being into her until the end!? Really!? That's not how you write romance and you don't need to be an experienced author to kniw this. It's why we say eremika is BS. Mikasa is a frustrating character to many because she got no development from start to finish. It's just eren despite the fact he treated her badly in past instances. And don't come to me with the age excuse. He didn't treat the other girls like that. Isayama wanted to make ger more important than she actually was when it was already too late.
And the plotholes of this show! Why was Annie not punished, when she ruthlessly killed their comrades and showed no remorse? Why did Armin have feelings for her when she tried to kill him too after she was exposed? How did eren manage to get into mikasa's head in the last episode when Kenny told levi that the reason the Ackerman family was persecuted was because they couldn't have their memories erased or altered by the king? So how did that cabin scene happen? We don't even get a good explanation. If eren could somehow control events why didn't he save the people if his home town? He claims to care about eldia yet didn't finish the rumbling, which left 20% of the world's population alive. That is still a bigger population than eldia. And now an eldia without titan powers. As we saw in the post credit scene they rebuilt and attacked paradis. Meaning eren doomed his own people even with his frirnds being long dead. He knew about zeke's pkan with the wine but didn't bother telling the MPs? Pyxis who supported him wholeheartedly in the first season had to die so brutally and for what? Eldia would have better off had eren not been born at all.
"spent an incredibly long time talking to each of his friends"
_everything happens in like 5 minutes_
_only armin's talk is shown_
yeah okay. horrible pacing or horrible writing (its both)
also this video is an analysis on endings in general and the pressure of being a mangaka. its not an AOT specific analysis since there's plenty out there.
AOT ending is literally a carbon copy of Code Geas but worse.
Its amazing how Isayama was lazy and just straight up stole the plot from another story
And meat riders like you still want to defend this carbon copy as a "Masterpiece"
😂