4:52 I absolutely love how interesting this is, the engineering aspects of it are as I absolutely love how interesting this is, and how cool is it where they get their inspiration
Caleb, you are my favorite Digital Trends host. Sometimes I skip the videos when you are not presenting. You do so much better than the other hosts. You have a unique perspective for "nit-nerds" and general folks. I can't wait for your Nikamechi Dragon "sound bar" review.
@@halo3boy1 Everyone has their favorite host whether its a news broadcast or youtube presenters. For instance I like Throttle House and Savage Geese much better than Straight Pipes. To each their own.
This is really impressive because it doesn't require extra power, or a way to cool the panel. It's pretty simple in concept, and the boost in brightness is pretty large. It also doesn't sound like something that should be a huge additional expense. MicroLED is the holy grail, but this looks like something that should deliver all the brightness you could need. 9:03 "That Magenta looked fire AF!" Lol
@@NickMartelli Has nano led ever proven itself? What's wrong with micro LED, which seems closer to mass production and avoids all the downfalls of OLED?
@@shugo7337 NanoLED is marketing term. True term is Electroluminescent Quantum Dots. There are various problems with MicroLED. - Cost of manufacturing. MicroLED requires a very complex manufacturing pipeline, there is no easy cheap way to manufacture millions of tiny LEDs and arrenge them on panel. We found ways to do this cheaper but it won't ever be as simple as manufacturing quantum dots which you literally can do in liters. - Flexibility MicroLED panels are not flexible. This, while seemlingly important, is a bottleneck for would be the 'holy grail'. QNED's also do not suffer from burn in. They don't rely on any organics. So they have all the advantages of MicroLED and then some. Much better suited to be the holy grail. We are closer to mass producing QNED's then we are to MicroLED's. It is a very new technology in comparison to all else but Nanosys has been following their roadmap very well so far. They did deliver amazingly well with QD-OLED's and QNED is the next in their roadmap. Given their amazing track record of low cost ultra high quality delivery I have confidence that they will deliver with QNED's Not to mention, Quantum Dot's are only few nanometers in size. This basically unlocks any emissor-driven limitation on resolution. This means ridicilious resolutions such as 16K on 27 inch is possible with QNED's
I think that final point about perception is an important one - I’ve owned a Panasonic LZ2000 (I’m U.K. based) for a couple of months now, which I’m 100% happy with. My shortlist was the Panasonic and the Sony A95K both of which I got to audition in a dark room. What I can say is that the differences between the two sets was very small, with the Sony sometimes looking better and other times the Panasonic looking better. In the end, considering the price difference (the Sony was nearly £700 more at the time) there is no way it could command that extra price for what I was seeing with my eyes. What this shows is that although on paper the Sony had the supposed superior tech, when you have the engineering prowess of a company like Panasonic, things are not so clear cut. I’ve learned over the years through my love of HI-Fi that one amp can have inferior specs to another, but still sound significantly better - the same is true with TV’s. At the end of the day, you’re not watching a spec sheet, you’re watching or listening to the end result of that spec sheet, a subtle, but important difference.
I am UK based and my experience of repairing both brands tells me that Sony have always been expensive to buy and repair. Your new panasonic should give you an excellent performance for many years.
I own C2, tried G2 and S95B. Not going to anything less bright than S95B, planning to get either G3 or QD OLED as my main 65-75 set this year. G2 is just not bright enough for specular highlights in HDR, it looks washed out compared to S95B.
I live in Arizona and it’s always bright out will the g2 do well in sunlight? I feel like the g3 or s90c or s95c will be the better option for Arizona sunlight viewing in the daytime
@@Xrpxlm7 Yeah, S95B or C or G3 will be better suited for you. Especially Samsung as they have matte coating for less glare, while LG is glossy. I do not know personally if I would be ready to make that trade off, though, due to Samsung lacking Dolby Vision for movies. Then look out for Sony options too with QD OLED. The G2 will be not bright enough for sunny envoirment, pluss you will get tons of glare due to it being glossy and not enough bright.
@@KryssN1 yeah i think ill go with the g3. I dont trust samsungs firmware updates and i think LG has more experience and quality builds for OLED since theyve been producing them for over 10 years now. From what ive heard, the g3 is plenty bright even in sunlit rooms and daytime viewing. But ill make my decision after theyve come out for in dept review...
Conventional logic that a lens can only focus or disperse light would expect viewing angles to be reduced in exchange for greater brightness. That they've boosted both just by using more lenses is some deep wizardry. Can't wait to see it in person!
Well the angles where the light is being reduced are the angles that point backwards, so all angles in front of the TV get an increase in light output.
@@B_Ahmed1234 Yes, that's actually the main driving factor for the huge optical efficiency increase. LED emitters (especially those without domes) tend to lose a decent bit of light on the sides, where the light is lost. That's why reflectors and TIR lenses are used: not only to focus the light, but to also improve luminance in realistic usage scenarios.
@@NickMartelli Of course not because that's the point. Anyone/any display can use it. And considering Sammy's not the only one doing QD, another reason you wouldn't single them out...
@@NickMartelli Yes exactly my thought Samsung can use MLA on QD-OLED and get Dolby Vision. That will be the Holy Grail before MicroLED could become consumer friendly instead of their current prices which can buy you and apartment.
Getting the best camera lenses, torches, screens , light bulbs etc probably means lots of ways to allow and control light transfer through a medium . Samsung loves to copy - so they may come up with their own solution . This method is ultimately will be cheap - unlike some special glass in top lenses, binoculars, glasses etc - not sure if proprietary coatings are expensive to cut haze etc . If this tech is really really good - with EU rules etc ( power usage ) - maybe LG will have to sell it to all comers ( think certain tech must be made available if considered a necessity ) ie standard essential patent (SEP)
I bought a C1 last year for the game room and a U7H for the living room. I should stop watching all TV content for the next 5 years. Sorry Caleb, I'll miss you
Great video. What if MLA is combined with QD Oled? Is that in theory even better? Or is MLA solving a problem that QD-Oled does not have? I suspect, if it is better, someone is not going to share the MLA tech.
I was thinking the same! In theory, I imagine you could based on the explanation of how MLA works? You’d just apply the lens panel over the QD-OLED to get the effect! Perhaps it may not be as straight forward as that, but imagine the results!
Offcourse they will not share.Lg last year sold 6.8mill of oleds while Samsung sold 540 000 qd oleds,when Samsung gets to fourth gen I guarantee LG will already have qned oled tech ready.There was a rumour two years ago in Korean paper that LG already had MLA oled tech ready in 2020, I didn't belive than but now I am just shocked!
QD OLED panels are the future this LG being dumb cheap buy Samsung QD OLED panels even Sony was smart enough to buy them in 2022 and release them before Samsung Electronics
@@4rzaluz yea I just don’t know if MLA has compatibility issues with Sony’s surface audio technology or not, but you make a great point and it would be a very good question to ask one of the experts about.
Ive been waiting for a no compromise OLED to come to monitors for over 5 years, hopefully they fix the problems with displaying text with MLA's added brightness and reduced image retention and burn in potential and I am all in.
if you use a monitor for lots of hours which means that burn-in will happen, the best thing you can do is get a Neo Qled monitor or TV. it's slightly less inferior to OLED but there's no burn in at all.
I am not regretting my LG G2 83" purchase at all after watching this, because it is in a dedicated home theater with full lighting control (meaning it is black as night in there). If I had my TV *anywhere* else with some ambient light, however, I would feel like I missed it by one year. ;-)
Made my S95B look 3D using a base luminance boost in the service menu and worked some special settings, figured out months ago the overall brightness on an OLED was important, only with QD-OLED I get all that sweet color purity for a cool 3D effect 🥰
@@SidorovichJr Yes, the contrast and color gamut coverage this panel is capable of can allow for a 3D like effect without the glasses with the right settings 👌
Go watch HDTVtest videos to educate yourself on why brighter OLED tv's are needed! Once a tv is in the accurate picture mode ie Filmmakers Mode on your LG B9 OLED tv. Watching a 1000 nits 4K blu ray disc every scene won't be 1000 nits. Only a small percentage of scenes in the movie will get upto 1000 nits. Like the sunshine on a very bright sunny day. Lighting flashes, explosions, vehicle headlights late at night etc. In the real world glancing at the sun can be 10,000 nits, fireworks over 3,000 nits, vehicle headlights at night over 3000 nits etc. So why wouldn't you want a brighter OLED tv that can reproduce those specific bright scenes more realistically. Like in the real world 🌎
Continues lack of DV makes it displeasing. Tried S95B in person in proper DV mastered content both C2 and G2 looks better. Only hope is Philips, Sony making it affordable, if there is no DV support, just going to get a G3. The only difference between G2 vs S95B were specular highlights in HDR content and full white APL scenes. But due to lack of DV the LGs looked better in movies and S95B was then only better in games and SDR. G3 now evens the playing field and with no DV on QD OLED from Samsung it's no go for me after trying it in person vs LG.
What’s all the fuss with oleds needing to be brighter?? Is it a sales thing because I have a 2021 Sony a90j oled and its absolutely perfect for brightness and it reflects less than my other 4k lcd screen. Guess when oleds are sooooo good it’s hard to sell newer models so the focus has to be on something.
I would never spend that amount of money on a TV. The TV sets today simply don't last long enough and insurance costs even more when you buy a more expensive TV. Companies need to be adding these features to all their TV sets, similar to the way TCL and Hisense are adding MicroLED to all their 2023 models. Let's just hope TCL and Hisense use "True 10-Bit" panels in their 2023 models rather than the worthless "8-Bit plus FRC" that has so many problems with gradients, posterization, and macroblocking.
Will the MLA tech cause raised blacks though? QD OLED screens have raised blacks in any room with light. I"m curious if MLA will have a similiar problem despite being totally different....
LG G3 is doubling white brightness but that's not enough to give noticeable difference in real world content vs qd oled whom have triple colour brightness in the 3 primary RGB colours. I'm very annoyed with Samsung not adding Dolby Vision and removing DTS support. Ireland is still waiting on its first TCL C935 of which has an excellent price point. Combining the best of both worlds. Out of curiosity we know Samsung tvs don't support DTS but can DTS audio be still sent out to a soundbar's eARC via passthrough?
cause G costs more than C so in order to make people spend more they give MLA as bait. C3 has new processor and picture/sound AI and image is slightly better than C2 so those that don't have C2 can choose C3 and spend less than G3.
Currently it's the 2022 Panasonic LZ2000 and LZ1500 OLED tv's. The upcoming flagship Panasonic MZ2000 OLED tv will be their best OLED tv when it releases later this year.
I still believe QD OLED is the better technology. I have an A9G and A80J currently but would love to see the improvements of color saturation with high brightness. Both technologies are exciting though. Thanks for the video!!
Not neccesairly, QD OLEDs looks gray instead of black when light shines on top of it. Samsung need to work on their screen glossy coating, cause their matte coating is just not doing it well. Also black, white, blue and green look better on LG G2 vs S95B after testing. Only warm scenes looks better on S95B. What made the S95B look better over G2 are specular highlights, but then it does not have Dolby Vision and when compared in DV content the G2 looked way better, for that matter even C2 then looks better in DV content.
@@KryssN1 I have the S95B right across 3 windows in my living room. One big window with two adjacent smaller windows. I’m telling you the whole” raised blacks due to light hitting it” is overblown. I still think QD-OLED is the better tech. Higher color volume and W-oled doesn’t do as good a job as QD-OLED with reflections. That will always be an Achilles heel for w-oled and why I could never consider it for my living room. People always seem to gloss over the reflection problem with w-OLED which they shouldn’t if they truly want to watch it in the living room or any bright room.
Well, I cant wait for the lg G3 and it seems dts audio will be back in play and that's a good thing . Samsung is never a thought cause they don't have Dolby Vision.
At 3:24, Caled says: "an OLED TV is not the most efficient way to heat your home". That's why I'm still using my 65" VT60 Panasonic plasma TV... now that's a much better way to heat your home. 😁 😰
Once upon a time, someone reading/listening to Richard Feynman's QED lecture series pondered, "When will I ever use any of this in real life?" And, decades later, an LG OLED engineer said, "Holy my beer..." 😁😅
Caleb. Can you help me? I live in Thailand and am making one of the biggest purchases of my life. I'm building a game room for my ps5. I have everything but the T.V. I was sold on the Hisense u7h 75 until I found out that it is a completely different inferior TV than the NA version. I heard TCL also does this. Do other brands like Samsung and LG do this too? Can anyone suggest the best gaming TV in Thailand for under $1200 usd. I was hoping for a 75 but it sounds like that might not be possible in Thailand. I figure 4k and 120 hz is a must. Any help would be appreciated. 🙏
I can't see any scenario where this would raise black levels: It focuses the light of EACH pixel forward, and reduces "bouncing/waste" of light. OLEDs are black-black because "off is truly off". So there would be no light to "send forward" to raise black levels. Again, this can only help reduce the need for Static Image Burn-In Prevention. Lower output = greater perceived light, so they could loosen up the auto dimming so it is not so noticeable.
I wonder how many technical improvements they already have on the shelves waiting to be implemented in the next iteration. I cannot believe that they saw QD Oled last year and then started thinking about how to beat this and then have this ready in the next year. If they could have waited a bit longer, they would have just to secure their marketshare in the future. That is also why it is good that the EU is forcing the manufacturers to improve their efficiency. Once they are forced they apparently can. These things should not be left to the market competition allone.
@@tshaolin971 But it is still Oled, and will allways be prone to burn-in. But the next step is to make Electroluminescent quantum dots (ELQD, QDLE, QDEL, EL-QLED) available. At that point you no longer use QD as an enhancement layer for LED or OLED but the quantum dots are emiting light themselves. QD Oled was always just a transition phase until they either have managed to produce it reiliably or if they already have, until they have milked the QD Oled technology until the last penny. Because the Electroluminescent quantum dots are not organic, this should in theory eliminate the burn in problem. Time will tell.
@@Alex335i Well maybe you are lucky. Even phones from Samsung are not immune to it. I know several people with beautiful pink hues on their amoled screens. And also computer screens with static elements will give you burn in. I have already seen examples of that. Well since I had to buy a TV quickly as the old one broke and I didn't have money for something fancy, I guess it will take some years anyway before I buy something.
@@BenvanBroekhuijsen I had burn in on Samsung phones too (though to be fair last time I used one was more than 5 years ago so it might have improved). However I have two LG OLEDs (2016 and 2017) one of which has been my gaming monitor too (both PC and consoles) with a lot of static images. I game a lot (few h a day) and have no burn in. Now, granted I did take steps to protect myself - I help all the pixel shifting enabled, I made windows task bar auto hide etc., for games I play a lot with fixed HUD I try to make changes (resize HUD or screen size in windows or PlayStation). Do I need to? I don't know, I do it just in case, but it's a non issue for me, doesn't take a lot of time or energy and I sleep better. The results are excellent though from those TVs so to me it's all worth it.
I got a tcl 65 inch 4 series and it has a weird flicker problem when switching to anything to RUclips on ps5, it’s can be longer then a flick but I’m not sure how to fix it
I hope Samsung will keep supporting the S95B. And I mean in the positive way - no downgrades Despite all critics it is an outstanding TV once you get a panel which is not bend or has other quality issues.
Anyone know the likely timeline for release of the LG G3 with MLA? I was going to happily buy a G2 but seeing this makes me want to hold off for the G3
What’s everyone’s prediction on the 83 inch G3 without MLA vs 77 inch G3 with MLA … I think if I was lg I would price the 83 inch to sell especially since qd oled doesn’t have 83 inch and then if it gets adopted enough bring MLA to the 83 inch next year
*Is it possible Samsung display make their own MLA tech and add it to their QD-OLED displays? Imagine how bright it will be then. Free extra brightness with no increase of power consumption.*
@@matheus8530 imagine they use MLA on smartphone displays. We will get more better life at the same brightness. I want to see QD-OLED smartphone display aswell.
It’ll come down to size. Who’s DKK is the biggest. I’m personally going to sit back and see if LG slashes the price on the 8K 100 inch. That size that resolution with true black is my end game. If it’s under 15K
4:52 I absolutely love how interesting this is, the engineering aspects of it are as I absolutely love how interesting this is, and how cool is it where they get their inspiration
I am so glad that I still have my old CRT's today... 40 years later and still going strong ! 😅👍👌
Caleb, you are my favorite Digital Trends host. Sometimes I skip the videos when you are not presenting. You do so much better than the other hosts. You have a unique perspective for "nit-nerds" and general folks. I can't wait for your Nikamechi Dragon "sound bar" review.
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@@halo3boy1 Everyone has their favorite host whether its a news broadcast or youtube presenters. For instance I like Throttle House and Savage Geese much better than Straight Pipes. To each their own.
When I first heard about MLA I thought about one lens per pixel, but 5000? I am deeply impressed.
It's an OLED world and I'm here for it.
Me too GEOFF
❤
I'm not the future is MicroLED 🤷♂️
This is really impressive because it doesn't require extra power, or a way to cool the panel. It's pretty simple in concept, and the boost in brightness is pretty large.
It also doesn't sound like something that should be a huge additional expense. MicroLED is the holy grail, but this looks like something that should deliver all the brightness you could need.
9:03 "That Magenta looked fire AF!" Lol
Nano led is the holy grail. Self emitting quantum dots printed right on the substrate.
MicroLED LOL what are you smoking stupid
@@NickMartelli Has nano led ever proven itself? What's wrong with micro LED, which seems closer to mass production and avoids all the downfalls of OLED?
@@shugo7337 nothing wrong with micro led. It’s coming next, but nano is the “holy grail” is all
@@shugo7337 NanoLED is marketing term. True term is Electroluminescent Quantum Dots.
There are various problems with MicroLED.
- Cost of manufacturing.
MicroLED requires a very complex manufacturing pipeline, there is no easy cheap way to manufacture millions of tiny LEDs and arrenge them on panel. We found ways to do this cheaper but it won't ever be as simple as manufacturing quantum dots which you literally can do in liters.
- Flexibility
MicroLED panels are not flexible. This, while seemlingly important, is a bottleneck for would be the 'holy grail'.
QNED's also do not suffer from burn in. They don't rely on any organics. So they have all the advantages of MicroLED and then some. Much better suited to be the holy grail.
We are closer to mass producing QNED's then we are to MicroLED's. It is a very new technology in comparison to all else but Nanosys has been following their roadmap very well so far. They did deliver amazingly well with QD-OLED's and QNED is the next in their roadmap. Given their amazing track record of low cost ultra high quality delivery I have confidence that they will deliver with QNED's
Not to mention, Quantum Dot's are only few nanometers in size. This basically unlocks any emissor-driven limitation on resolution. This means ridicilious resolutions such as 16K on 27 inch is possible with QNED's
I think that final point about perception is an important one - I’ve owned a Panasonic LZ2000 (I’m U.K. based) for a couple of months now, which I’m 100% happy with. My shortlist was the Panasonic and the Sony A95K both of which I got to audition in a dark room. What I can say is that the differences between the two sets was very small, with the Sony sometimes looking better and other times the Panasonic looking better.
In the end, considering the price difference (the Sony was nearly £700 more at the time) there is no way it could command that extra price for what I was seeing with my eyes. What this shows is that although on paper the Sony had the supposed superior tech, when you have the engineering prowess of a company like Panasonic, things are not so clear cut. I’ve learned over the years through my love of HI-Fi that one amp can have inferior specs to another, but still sound significantly better - the same is true with TV’s. At the end of the day, you’re not watching a spec sheet, you’re watching or listening to the end result of that spec sheet, a subtle, but important difference.
I am UK based and my experience of repairing both brands tells me that Sony have always been expensive to buy
and repair.
Your new panasonic should give you an excellent performance for many years.
I’m jealous because I live in the U.S. and don’t have access to Panasonic. Wish they would come back.
Panasonic OLED TVs are way more then Sony Bravia OLED TVs and aren't every country in the world better off buying a Sony Bravia OLED
@@Barbarapape Panasonic OLED TVs cost more last I checked and Sony Bravia OLED TVs don't get burn as much LG OLED TVs or Samsung S95B QD OLED
@@bbump1828 Why they are most expensive brand in Europe for OLED TVs and behind Sony Bravia OLED TVs in colour accuracy motion and upscaling
I’ve had three oleds and brightness has never been an issue for me. Currently own a lg g2 and it’s plenty bright.
I own C2, tried G2 and S95B.
Not going to anything less bright than S95B, planning to get either G3 or QD OLED as my main 65-75 set this year.
G2 is just not bright enough for specular highlights in HDR, it looks washed out compared to S95B.
I live in Arizona and it’s always bright out will the g2 do well in sunlight? I feel like the g3 or s90c or s95c will be the better option for Arizona sunlight viewing in the daytime
@@Xrpxlm7 Yeah, S95B or C or G3 will be better suited for you.
Especially Samsung as they have matte coating for less glare, while LG is glossy.
I do not know personally if I would be ready to make that trade off, though, due to Samsung lacking Dolby Vision for movies.
Then look out for Sony options too with QD OLED.
The G2 will be not bright enough for sunny envoirment, pluss you will get tons of glare due to it being glossy and not enough bright.
Yup. My 77 G2 is extremely bright
@@KryssN1 yeah i think ill go with the g3. I dont trust samsungs firmware updates and i think LG has more experience and quality builds for OLED since theyve been producing them for over 10 years now. From what ive heard, the g3 is plenty bright even in sunlit rooms and daytime viewing. But ill make my decision after theyve come out for in dept review...
Conventional logic that a lens can only focus or disperse light would expect viewing angles to be reduced in exchange for greater brightness. That they've boosted both just by using more lenses is some deep wizardry. Can't wait to see it in person!
Well the angles where the light is being reduced are the angles that point backwards, so all angles in front of the TV get an increase in light output.
@@B_Ahmed1234 Yes, that's actually the main driving factor for the huge optical efficiency increase.
LED emitters (especially those without domes) tend to lose a decent bit of light on the sides, where the light is lost.
That's why reflectors and TIR lenses are used: not only to focus the light, but to also improve luminance in realistic usage scenarios.
This man saying pop words has made my week. I love you tv man.
That magenta looked fire AF, hahahaha good 1 make my day!!. Thanks as usual for great content!! Saludos desde Colombia 🇨🇴
Great review of MLA tech Caleb. Very witty, funny and clever review.
8:47 you make some really good points here!
I have the LG C9. A mythical Oled that it’s very impressive to todays standard yet. But the only thing I wish it has, is a better brightness.
The great thing about MLA is that it’s a passive technology. In theory, it could be added to any display and increase its efficiency.
Exactly. Nobody is talking about how Samsung could use this tech on top of qd oled
@@NickMartelli or on top of their micro led
@@NickMartelli Of course not because that's the point. Anyone/any display can use it. And considering Sammy's not the only one doing QD, another reason you wouldn't single them out...
@@NickMartelli Yes exactly my thought Samsung can use MLA on QD-OLED and get Dolby Vision. That will be the Holy Grail before MicroLED could become consumer friendly instead of their current prices which can buy you and apartment.
Getting the best camera lenses, torches, screens , light bulbs etc probably means lots of ways to allow and control light transfer through a medium . Samsung loves to copy - so they may come up with their own solution . This method is ultimately will be cheap - unlike some special glass in top lenses, binoculars, glasses etc - not sure if proprietary coatings are expensive to cut haze etc . If this tech is really really good - with EU rules etc ( power usage ) - maybe LG will have to sell it to all comers ( think certain tech must be made available if considered a necessity ) ie standard essential patent (SEP)
This seems like it's going to be a stellar year for OLED TV's.
The OLED wars have begun !
@@edwarddavid7893I can't wait to see what happens.
No you didn't just make an "In Living Color/Men on Film" reference! LOL Loved it! 🙂
Wow! ... The picture on those MLA OLED 📺 TV's looks amazing! ... Viewed on my CHEAP LCD LENOVO TABLET! 👍🤣
Thanks Caleb
So many cool display innovations.
Three snaps in Z formation.
Love the throwback.
Great information - thank you. Love the comment about heating your home with the TV. Don't most people still do it with incandescent light bulbs :)
Hi great videos just started following 👍🏼🤜🏻
when do you think mite get release date of new lg G3
This channel has some of the best visuals in over all video quality. Always make my tv pop
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I bought a C1 last year for the game room and a U7H for the living room. I should stop watching all TV content for the next 5 years.
Sorry Caleb, I'll miss you
QD-OLED with MLA ftw lol😊
The LG marketing video is wild lmao thanks for highlighting that
Reminds me of the difference between reflector and projector car headlight assemblies
Great review Kaleb.👍👍
Could MLA be on Micro LED and QD-OLED? Also if it’s on Micro LED would that be able to improve it’s viewing angles?
my next TV for sure 🏆 77" G3, Black Friday 🥳
I'm purchasing a G3 65inch, Black Friday. Bring on November.
Great video. What if MLA is combined with QD Oled? Is that in theory even better? Or is MLA solving a problem that QD-Oled does not have? I suspect, if it is better, someone is not going to share the MLA tech.
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I was thinking the same! In theory, I imagine you could based on the explanation of how MLA works? You’d just apply the lens panel over the QD-OLED to get the effect! Perhaps it may not be as straight forward as that, but imagine the results!
Offcourse they will not share.Lg last year sold 6.8mill of oleds while Samsung sold 540 000 qd oleds,when Samsung gets to fourth gen I guarantee LG will already have qned oled tech ready.There was a rumour two years ago in Korean paper that LG already had MLA oled tech ready in 2020, I didn't belive than but now I am just shocked!
Quantum Dots are for color filtering, microlenses are for illumination, you can have both.
@@dado380 Considering that Samsung sells over 64% of any oled panel made worldwide Im assuming you are talking exclusively about HDTVs
This is a great feature for Oled TVs and with a heatsync it could be even better.
it does indeed have a heatsink
QD OLED panels are the future this LG being dumb cheap buy Samsung QD OLED panels even Sony was smart enough to buy them in 2022 and release them before Samsung Electronics
MLA sounds great but I’m wondering what Sony has up they’re sleeve with QD-OLED.
QD-OLED-MLA+Heatsink! 😳
@@DarkKnight-gw4gw MLA is unlikely to happen with the Acoustc Surface in place.
@@4rzaluz yea I just don’t know if MLA has compatibility issues with Sony’s surface audio technology or not, but you make a great point and it would be a very good question to ask one of the experts about.
Will they have reduced chances of burn in? I don’t want image retention when playing video games I don’t wanna see My Health bar on my cable channels!
Do we know or have a price in mind ?
I love my 77 C2 and it performs exactly how I like it to perform
Same here with my 77 G2
@H Man this tv hits all the expectations I wanted and gaming on this beast is hands down fantastic.
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1:59 ... and honestly, I don’t have space in my brain for that 😂😂
Since Sony buys LG panels for t(eir oled’s, do you think their A80, and A90 oled’s, might have the Mla panels ????
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Now this i'm excited for.
Ive been waiting for a no compromise OLED to come to monitors for over 5 years, hopefully they fix the problems with displaying text with MLA's added brightness and reduced image retention and burn in potential and I am all in.
if you use a monitor for lots of hours which means that burn-in will happen, the best thing you can do is get a Neo Qled monitor or TV. it's slightly less inferior to OLED but there's no burn in at all.
So, how long until we get QD-OLED TVs with MLA?
Can't wait for MLA-QD-OLED TVs in 5 years. We're running out of letters, folks.
This can be done much sooner as the tech is live.
What about VCR players
QUANTUM DOT OLED will be the future tech for the next years to come
Excellent informative review!
The *Men on Film* reference legit had me cracking up 🤣😂
I am not regretting my LG G2 83" purchase at all after watching this, because it is in a dedicated home theater with full lighting control (meaning it is black as night in there). If I had my TV *anywhere* else with some ambient light, however, I would feel like I missed it by one year. ;-)
I suffer chronic migraines. What type or brand/range of tv has the best color and contrast at 20%-30% brightness?
Does the sony a95l have MLA ?
Made my S95B look 3D using a base luminance boost in the service menu and worked some special settings, figured out months ago the overall brightness on an OLED was important, only with QD-OLED I get all that sweet color purity for a cool 3D effect 🥰
Wait what? 3d effect on s95b?
Can you elaborate please I would love to do this to my s95b
Is the upscaling good pal?
@@sj460162 yes upscaling is the best I've seen, I'm sure the A95K edges it out by a hair with processing, but 1080p looks nearly 4k
@@SidorovichJr Yes, the contrast and color gamut coverage this panel is capable of can allow for a 3D like effect without the glasses with the right settings 👌
why is brightner oled needed? my 2019 lg b9 is already too bright at 100. i turn the oled light down to 30 to be able to use it as a pc monitor.
Go watch HDTVtest videos to educate yourself on why brighter OLED tv's are needed!
Once a tv is in the accurate picture mode ie Filmmakers Mode on your LG B9 OLED tv. Watching a 1000 nits 4K blu ray disc every scene won't be 1000 nits. Only a small percentage of scenes in the movie will get upto 1000 nits.
Like the sunshine on a very bright sunny day. Lighting flashes, explosions, vehicle headlights late at night etc. In the real world glancing at the sun can be 10,000 nits, fireworks over 3,000 nits, vehicle headlights at night over 3000 nits etc.
So why wouldn't you want a brighter OLED tv that can reproduce those specific bright scenes more realistically. Like in the real world 🌎
@@C--A no its already too bright when i have the oled light at 100 thats why i put it at 30.
Where did this tech MLA come from, Samsung or LG?
Awesome Video and you took me way back to the 90's with your Z Formation! HAHAHAHA! (Gen X Rocks!!)
It amazes me that they can actually build something like this....wow.
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LG MLA OLED will take over the market
The biggest consumer argument for MLA is that the TV degrades significantly slower at the same brightness.
lg g3 vs samsung s95c will be the big battle of 2023 and the one connect box and very thin frame of the samsung make it mighty appealing
Continues lack of DV makes it displeasing.
Tried S95B in person in proper DV mastered content both C2 and G2 looks better.
Only hope is Philips, Sony making it affordable, if there is no DV support, just going to get a G3.
The only difference between G2 vs S95B were specular highlights in HDR content and full white APL scenes.
But due to lack of DV the LGs looked better in movies and S95B was then only better in games and SDR.
G3 now evens the playing field and with no DV on QD OLED from Samsung it's no go for me after trying it in person vs LG.
I think im gonna go for the sony A95L 75inch
What about full array?
What’s all the fuss with oleds needing to be brighter?? Is it a sales thing because I have a 2021 Sony a90j oled and its absolutely perfect for brightness and it reflects less than my other 4k lcd screen.
Guess when oleds are sooooo good it’s hard to sell newer models so the focus has to be on something.
So waiting for QD MLA OLED then?
3 snaps in Z formations!
I would never spend that amount of money on a TV. The TV sets today simply don't last long enough and insurance costs even more when you buy a more expensive TV. Companies need to be adding these features to all their TV sets, similar to the way TCL and Hisense are adding MicroLED to all their 2023 models. Let's just hope TCL and Hisense use "True 10-Bit" panels in their 2023 models rather than the worthless "8-Bit plus FRC" that has so many problems with gradients, posterization, and macroblocking.
Will the MLA tech cause raised blacks though? QD OLED screens have raised blacks in any room with light. I"m curious if MLA will have a similiar problem despite being totally different....
The bias from 6:59 to 8:50 is of the charts!
Sir when are you going to give the giveaway result?
LG G3 is doubling white brightness but that's not enough to give noticeable difference in real world content vs qd oled whom have triple colour brightness in the 3 primary RGB colours. I'm very annoyed with Samsung not adding Dolby Vision and removing DTS support. Ireland is still waiting on its first TCL C935 of which has an excellent price point. Combining the best of both worlds.
Out of curiosity we know Samsung tvs don't support DTS but can DTS audio be still sent out to a soundbar's eARC via passthrough?
Why didn't they include this in the new C3? Why not just get an LG C2 now vs wait for the C3?
cause G costs more than C so in order to make people spend more they give MLA as bait. C3 has new processor and picture/sound AI and image is slightly better than C2 so those that don't have C2 can choose C3 and spend less than G3.
What is the best Panasonic tv 65 inch to buy thanks.
Currently it's the 2022 Panasonic LZ2000 and LZ1500 OLED tv's.
The upcoming flagship Panasonic MZ2000 OLED tv will be their best OLED tv when it releases later this year.
2023 will be one heck of a year for oled! Guys get your popcorn ready))
I still believe QD OLED is the better technology. I have an A9G and A80J currently but would love to see the improvements of color saturation with high brightness. Both technologies are exciting though. Thanks for the video!!
Nothing stopping samsung from also adding MLA on top of QD OLED next year.
@@NickMartelli That sounds like a monster tv in the making. Super expensive though.
Not neccesairly, QD OLEDs looks gray instead of black when light shines on top of it.
Samsung need to work on their screen glossy coating, cause their matte coating is just not doing it well.
Also black, white, blue and green look better on LG G2 vs S95B after testing.
Only warm scenes looks better on S95B.
What made the S95B look better over G2 are specular highlights, but then it does not have Dolby Vision and when compared in DV content the G2 looked way better, for that matter even C2 then looks better in DV content.
@@KryssN1 I have the S95B right across 3 windows in my living room. One big window with two adjacent smaller windows. I’m telling you the whole” raised blacks due to light hitting it” is overblown.
I still think QD-OLED is the better tech. Higher color volume and W-oled doesn’t do as good a job as QD-OLED with reflections. That will always be an Achilles heel for w-oled and why I could never consider it for my living room. People always seem to gloss over the reflection problem with w-OLED which they shouldn’t if they truly want to watch it in the living room or any bright room.
That's hot, z pattern snaps
great job of boiling down the marketing. also for not getting lost in the (optical) weeds😏 to me, this was the biggest deal not covered @ ces.
When do you think the 2023 tv's will come out? I want to buy a new tv and sales are starting on the 2022 models now.
Well, I cant wait for the lg G3 and it seems dts audio will be back in play and that's a good thing . Samsung is never a thought cause they don't have Dolby Vision.
Will we get the MLA OLEDs in 65" for 2000 bucks ?
At 3:24, Caled says: "an OLED TV is not the most efficient way to heat your home". That's why I'm still using my 65" VT60 Panasonic plasma TV... now that's a much better way to heat your home. 😁 😰
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Once upon a time, someone reading/listening to Richard Feynman's QED lecture series pondered, "When will I ever use any of this in real life?" And, decades later, an LG OLED engineer said, "Holy my beer..." 😁😅
Wow
So any chance there will be a qd-oled panel with MLA??
I heard that Sean Paul was involved in the development of MLA. The engineers were provoked when he said the iconic words, 'Just Gimme the Light'.
Good effort
Caleb. Can you help me? I live in Thailand and am making one of the biggest purchases of my life. I'm building a game room for my ps5. I have everything but the T.V. I was sold on the Hisense u7h 75 until I found out that it is a completely different inferior TV than the NA version. I heard TCL also does this. Do other brands like Samsung and LG do this too?
Can anyone suggest the best gaming TV in Thailand for under $1200 usd. I was hoping for a 75 but it sounds like that might not be possible in Thailand. I figure 4k and 120 hz is a must. Any help would be appreciated. 🙏
Can’t wait for the VS like you say 🙈 But also Sony didn’t show our Tv so wait and see 😏
The most important thing is to check for no black level raise, No dimming while having an static picture for a while
I can't see any scenario where this would raise black levels: It focuses the light of EACH pixel forward, and reduces "bouncing/waste" of light. OLEDs are black-black because "off is truly off". So there would be no light to "send forward" to raise black levels.
Again, this can only help reduce the need for Static Image Burn-In Prevention. Lower output = greater perceived light, so they could loosen up the auto dimming so it is not so noticeable.
I'm wondering whether the M3 also has MLA technology in it
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I wonder how many technical improvements they already have on the shelves waiting to be implemented in the next iteration. I cannot believe that they saw QD Oled last year and then started thinking about how to beat this and then have this ready in the next year. If they could have waited a bit longer, they would have just to secure their marketshare in the future.
That is also why it is good that the EU is forcing the manufacturers to improve their efficiency. Once they are forced they apparently can. These things should not be left to the market competition allone.
I’m sure Samsung will implement this technology in their Tv which will make Quantum Dot even better.
@@tshaolin971 But it is still Oled, and will allways be prone to burn-in. But the next step is to make Electroluminescent quantum dots (ELQD, QDLE, QDEL, EL-QLED) available. At that point you no longer use QD as an enhancement layer for LED or OLED but the quantum dots are emiting light themselves.
QD Oled was always just a transition phase until they either have managed to produce it reiliably or if they already have, until they have milked the QD Oled technology until the last penny.
Because the Electroluminescent quantum dots are not organic, this should in theory eliminate the burn in problem. Time will tell.
Using 2 OLEDs for 4 years now, burn-in is a non-issue
@@Alex335i Well maybe you are lucky. Even phones from Samsung are not immune to it. I know several people with beautiful pink hues on their amoled screens. And also computer screens with static elements will give you burn in. I have already seen examples of that.
Well since I had to buy a TV quickly as the old one broke and I didn't have money for something fancy, I guess it will take some years anyway before I buy something.
@@BenvanBroekhuijsen I had burn in on Samsung phones too (though to be fair last time I used one was more than 5 years ago so it might have improved).
However I have two LG OLEDs (2016 and 2017) one of which has been my gaming monitor too (both PC and consoles) with a lot of static images. I game a lot (few h a day) and have no burn in. Now, granted I did take steps to protect myself - I help all the pixel shifting enabled, I made windows task bar auto hide etc., for games I play a lot with fixed HUD I try to make changes (resize HUD or screen size in windows or PlayStation). Do I need to? I don't know, I do it just in case, but it's a non issue for me, doesn't take a lot of time or energy and I sleep better. The results are excellent though from those TVs so to me it's all worth it.
I got a tcl 65 inch 4 series and it has a weird flicker problem when switching to anything to RUclips on ps5, it’s can be longer then a flick but I’m not sure how to fix it
I hope Samsung will keep supporting the S95B. And I mean in the positive way - no downgrades Despite all critics it is an outstanding TV once you get a panel which is not bend or has other quality issues.
Whats it like for upscaling sky stuff bud?
@@sj460162 I use it mainly for gaming
@@BaSiC47 I bet it looks great!
Very nice technology
3 snaps in Z formation caused my wife to shoot coffee from her nose. I can’t stop laughing
Was swallowing a pill when he said 3 snaps in a Z formation. Almost choked.
Anyone know the likely timeline for release of the LG G3 with MLA? I was going to happily buy a G2 but seeing this makes me want to hold off for the G3
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I am waiting too… most likely April though and ultra expensive
The LG G3 in 77" with MLA is gonna be the same price as the Samsung S95C and both are $4,50bucks
What’s everyone’s prediction on the 83 inch G3 without MLA vs 77 inch G3 with MLA … I think if I was lg I would price the 83 inch to sell especially since qd oled doesn’t have 83 inch and then if it gets adopted enough bring MLA to the 83 inch next year
The price I’m talking about
Does this solve the issue about top spec TV's after April being unavailable in Europe due to power consumption??
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*Is it possible Samsung display make their own MLA tech and add it to their QD-OLED displays? Imagine how bright it will be then. Free extra brightness with no increase of power consumption.*
Exactly my thoughts
@@matheus8530 imagine they use MLA on smartphone displays. We will get more better life at the same brightness. I want to see QD-OLED smartphone display aswell.
A95k or skip?
Interesting. Thanks for coming thru so soon Caleb. Will be interesting to see how MLA affects the curved monitors and Rolling OLEDs.
It’ll come down to size. Who’s DKK is the biggest. I’m personally going to sit back and see if LG slashes the price on the 8K 100 inch. That size that resolution with true black is my end game. If it’s under 15K
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G3-77 day 1 purchase for me
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Day 1
Is the tech exclusive to LG, or can MLA be applied to QD-OLED or MicroLED?
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