Is Staccato Really Worth All That Coin?
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2022
- Staccato pistols are hot right now. Wide-body 1911s in general are having a resurgence. But the real question is, are they worth it?
I think this question boils down to a personality question. Are you a no-frills, function-over-form type of person? Or do you appreciate and are willing to pay for the finer things of life like a gourmet meal or fine alcohol?
If you answered yes to the latter question then Staccato pistols may just be for you. 
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Great video. I remember talking to the U.S. Marshals Service's SOG guys in 2019 about what was then called the "STI SRA Pistol project." You can really see how that paid off with the Staccato
I have a staccato P and the staccato C2 dual they are absolutely worth the money.
Have about a thousand rounds through mine. It’s been both 100% reliable and so easy to shoot accurately. While I am not going to sell my Glocks, Sigs or Berettas, my C2 Dpo is a welcomed addition to the stable.
How is it at 25+ yards?
@@baloo1522 It’s still a breeze to get great groups at 25 yards. The crisp 4 pound trigger aids in this accuracy.
@@baloo1522 it'll hit at 100
I sold all my glocks n sigs.
@@baloo1522 I'm a TERRIBLE shot and I can get 10 on a 9" paper plate at 25 no problem.
Boy that is definitely sweet buddy. Thanks for bringing us a great video and review.👍
The reason why STI became Staccato is new Management came on board. They brought in Master Gunsmith Shawn Armstrong. Most of the Management was prior Military and Police. That is why the changes happen and why the gen 2 mags were made.
those gen 2 are more like gen 3/4
To my knowledge, the Orlando Florida SWAT 🚔 went to a Staccato series SAO 9x19mm Orlando.gov . Orlando had used SIG P226s P229s in 9mm since 1990. The PD did allow SIG P320s 365s too but most patrol officers carry P226Rs P229Rs.
@@lukaspatty6431 now they are gen 3. The only difference I see, is the springs are stronger now.
Excellent review 👍🏾. I just ordered a P model and I’m sure this will take the place as my #1 range toy which is currently my Wilson P320.
Well done on the review and great shooting. I'm a big fan of the 2011 platform, they just shoot so well.
Just a slight addition to your history. STI founders split and one side became Staccato (STI) and the other Infinity Firearms (SVI). Staccato brought on Shawn Armstrong and carried on the police and military clientele in addition to creating race guns, while Infinity focused on producing one off competition and specialty arms.
My 2011 C2 9mm double stack is definitely my favorite. Fell in love as soon as I put it in my hands
sure thing shirley for sure
I enjoyed the presentation. I see the C2 in my future!
Great Review 💯
Great review. 👍
I absolutely fell in love with the Staccato line. I’ve owned Wilson EDC X9, SfX9 and they are beautiful but for me I can outshoot them with my staccatos. Both are incredible platforms but for me the Staccatos just shoot better and they are cheaper than WC so it’s an easy choice.
Really? You side with the Staccato over an SFX9?
For the past 6 + months, I've been renting either the Staccato XC, XL or P at the gun club I frequent. I'm there at least once every couple of weeks, maybe more. I fell in love with the platform the very first shot I put through it. Broke down today and just went ahead and bought one. I got the P model, non optics ready, ( I don't care for red dots on pistols ) with two 17 round mags and one 20 round mag. Got lucky and they had one in stock on display so I didn't have to order it. As soon as I paid for it, ( $2099.00 + tax ) I signed in and took it to one of the 25 yard lanes. Right out of the soft case that gun was putting holes on holes at 7 yards, and sub 3 inch groups at 12-15 yards. I have a few higher end pistols, ( 9mm Sig 320 X5 Legion, an X10 10mm and a few Kimbers ) but adding to the car analogy used in the video, those pistols are like comparing Cadillacs to Bugattis. They may be a bit expensive, but you get what you pay for.........
$200 factory 🏭 magazines? Ummmm No! 🚫
#1) Factory magazine isn't $200.
#2) train more, ur accuracy at 15 yrds is pretty bad for a 2011.
Hey, old guy here. Put a sandbag under your wrist. Shoot at 50 yards. If that gun isn't hitting 10 shots in 3 inches, then you got a lemon. Call the factory for a return.
The Staccato C2 Duo are well worth the $2500!
I'll be getting 1 in a few years when I can save up enuff for 1.. lol
I saved over a year and don’t regret it. Next is the XC! Already 25% there
Yeah to the Grip point you have a Bit of a point.. But then again it goes by ones hand size and my Staccato with the Gen.2 grips I found a little on the Big side. So I went with the Extreme Shooters Gen. 1 Dragon Scale With Reduction..Sick it is now I highly recommend.
Love my Staccato C2. Been my EDC since April
SURE THING SHIRLEY FOR SURE
sure thing shirley for sure
This is my edc. Great gun.
The answer is yes and yes and yes. Groups are ridiculously close.
I had been looking at these and springfield has come out with a 2011 as well. Looking at more of Stac now.
Just ordered mine.
Don't forget. It is rumored that Staccato got some of their new tech from their failed deal with Detonics Defense. They were supposed to work together for the military pistol program. A lawsuit was involved.
I was hoping you could talk a bit about your carry holster. Looks like an enigma and I’m guessing a tenicor holster? Curious about how the c2 carries in that config.
Been thinking about trading in some of my collection/safe queens for one. I shot the staccato xc and fell in love with it.
I sold 7 pistols?? And an ar9 (cheaper build) to get my staccato p duo and c duo.
OMG yes the Staccato is worth it. It is a bargain given the fact a double stack Nighthawk is $5K and a Wilson will run you $3K. I've had my P2 Duo for 2 years now, and after 10K rounds, it is just as good as my Wilson 1911! Gen 2 mags fixed all reliability issues. But the EASE OF SPEED is where this pistol blows the doors off all the plastic-fantastic wonder 9s.
Sig 229/226 sao is a fair price for what it is. I have the 229 and love it.
The history of commercial sales of the double stack 1911 started in 1985 with Para Ordinance building frames for military 1911 slides. They were in business until 2012. Remington purchased them and that was the beginning of the end for the company. They closed in 2017. The Tactical Timmies poo pooped all 1911s, regardless of caliber or capacity, as antiquated with too many safeties for years. Now some of the same Tactical "experts" praise Staccato postols. The 1911 in multiple calibers from multiple manufacturers still sell because they work. Many of the Tac Timmys on RUclips are paid by companies to promote products not give good advice. Beware of who you trust with advice, you may not know their motivations.
Orlando FL SWAT began using Staccato series SAO models around 2-3 years ago. I think they chose 9mm not .45acp. I think these pistols are a bit 🧐 for most armed users; police, security, corrections. For the $, I don't see any major benefits. You can upgrade, modify a Glock 45 9mm, 34, 22 MOS for far less than these Staccato guns.
@@DavidLLambertmobile You could probably buy 4 Glocks for the price of one Staccato. Looks like a great gun, but there’s definitely more cost effective choices for duty use. Especially if they’re using taxpayer money to buy it.
Most everyone forgets (or never knew) about para-ordnance and their double stack 9s 40s and 45s. They did it first. 👍👍
I certainly wouldn't agree with tax money being spent on the staccato when there's so many options of value. Irresponsibility with our tax dollars deserves punishment.
Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I still have the paras I bought back in the 90's, I converted one of my P14's to 45 Super two decades ago. And my P10 fits real nicely in my laced in leather ankle holster. Made that 14, 16, & 20rd mags reliable by simply replacing the mag springs with wolf competition springs and after market followers. The P10 only likes +P ammo due to the stiff compound recoil springs, which is a non issue for me since I prefer hot rounds in short barrels to make up some of the lost velocity.
I’ve wanted one of these for years. I finally took the leap on a C2. I hope it doesn’t take the 90 to 120 days for delivery.
To my recollection Para was first with the double stack 1911’s.
They are worth every penny. Thing is usually I get bored with a gun and sell and won't think twice of it. But I have NO real desire to get another gun at this point. The Staccato is soft shooting, extremely accurate and very flat shooting. Also, if you are a good shooter to begin with and if you shoot with a red dot it gets back on target super fast. On my XC and P the dot never leaves the glass.
Everyone that has a staccato has been through at least a jam or some issues.
Are they? When you can buy a Shadow System or build a 9mm glock that functions and shoots just as well?
@@benjamin3615 Not to be condescending 🙏🏾. But have you shot one before? In shooting a Shadow Systems that was heavily mod, still shot harder than my P. The return to zero was much longer. But don't get me wrong it is a good firearm. Also a glock out of the box can't compete with with a Staccato of any kind. I've tried. The accuracy is not there. But the time you modify it the heck out of it you basically bought a Staccato. Just as a confession a friend of mine took a stock glock 19 and modded the hell out of it with super high parts. We were in a competition together and he lit it up and won the whole damn thing. Point being Staccatos are not majic guns. You still have to have skills.
@Ray Ray No, I wish I could but I can't afford to drop almost 3k on a 9mm 1911. It seems almost moronic to spend that kind of money when I don't shoot competition, and most of my time at the range is spent practicing for self defense applications. In that, a glock or a shadowsystems works just fine.
@@benjamin3615 Rock on
Plan on buying a C2 in a couple of weeks and I'm guessing our hands are about the same size. I'm right handed and my grip is anchored a tad counterclockwise to reach the trigger. So on my double stacks as well as 1911's I would have to break my grip to work the mag and slide release if I didn't install extensions.
If a 1911 requires you to shift your grip the C-2 will be a much fatter. I wear XL gloves and while it works for me it just barely does.
I love my C2. It makes you want to sell your other guns to buy more Staccato... Maybe a CS is next for me?!?!
At 9:14 I know it's an Phlster Enigma, but what holster are you using for the C2 ?
I love this pistol BUT… 2/3 magazines mine came with failed to lock back on an empty mag and one had a round nose dive. This is my third staccato (staccato P and Staccato P Heritage), and I have not had the issue with the Staccato P. For a firearm that costs what these do, I expect it to run without these issues. I’ve read about a few others having this same issue, and when I called staccato about this issue, I spoke to Bruce who said “these issues are usually magazine springs, so I’m going to send you a couple magazine springs”.
That is great that they are sending me new springs but after a 55 minute hold on the phone, I’d expect them to at least send new mags and let me send the problem mags back. Especially if this is a known issue. The C2 I purchased was brand new and I paid $2800 for it at a local shop. That little issue aside, I absolutely love the gun when running it with the other mag. It was flawless with that other mag, running 250 rounds.
If you want to see the best review of this pistol with a lot more shooting, watch sage dynamics review. He also reviews the P and the XC and torture tests the red dot attachment plate.
any reason why your support hand thumb is just hanging around in the air instead of against the frame?
I don’t have it like that 😢 my price point is SIG and Glock but I’m grateful
My C2 randomly decides not to feed the last round in the magazine. I look down (knowing the pistol shouldn't be empty), and 1 round is left in the magazine, with the slide lock lever partially engaged. I've already sent this pistol back to Staccato once for this issue, and I'm calling them tomorrow because I still have the same problem. I won't carry a pistol unless it's 100% reliable, and this one isn't. I expected far more than this for what I paid for this pistol. Maybe Staccato will want to exchange my pistol for another one, because I'm already tired of dealing with this one.
Yes they are worth it! Just shoot one and work it a couple times. Nothing like it!
Nice review, would love to buy it, but $2000. + is out of my range.
Waaaaay more than 2k. Like 2400 for the dpo. Then u need an optic 500. And 3 exrea mags at 75$ per. Then u send it to monsoon to get grip redux n stipple + gold multicam, and the ghingis komp for another grand. Over 4k, and that's not even the thousands of rounds you'll wanna shoot out of it.
@@pjbiggleswerth8903 sure thing shirley for sure
@@pjbiggleswerth8903 you forgot about installing the k-5 spliiter coil reductiner system it costs about 600.
@Green Rush oh what? Nothing more to say?? Go pawn your guns for food for your children.
Short answer: yes, if you can afford it. Borrowed someone’s Staccato and was able to shoot a tight group at a fast pace without too much effort. The gun just feels great and shoots flat from far out!
In a word…yes👍🏻
Hi, great video! I just purchased my own Staccato C2. I saw on your video that you have the PHLster Enigma holster. I tried to purchase it but they said they don't have it for the C2 so did you modify yours to fit?
Various other holster bodies work with the Enigma. I'm using a Tenicor Sagax Lux 2. Check with Phlster for compatibility.
I have the P DPO, and the C2 and have not regretted the purchase one time. They are freaking amazing and worth every cent in my opinion
If you had to pick the C2 or P for everything....... Go
Everything meaning if it could be the only pistol you own for EDC, Duty, Home Defense, ETC.
I love my twin xc’s but 20-30k round counts without malfunctions. I don’t think so. Some need a break in period and some run flawlessly. But I like staccato because it’s just enough of a race gun and a duty gun the other 2011’s are more race than carry/ duty. The only other 2011 I’d buy is the nighthawk trs comp.
sure thing shirley for sure
The issue I have with Staccato building quote “duty guns” is the sights. The “duty guns” should come equipped with tritium night sights. There are a lowlight scenarios where they are mandatory and fiber optic sights will fail you due to the lack of a ambient light. Not everyone uses an optic and as we all know they require batteries and will fail at the worst possible moment no matter how vigilant you are in maintaining a good battery. I know first hand from experience.
I used to be a strong believer in tritium night sights but with the advent of powerful WMLs, I have never found a low/no light scenario where I couldn’t see the outline of my irons.
Often I find with a WML I can’t see the tritium anyway. All I see is the dark outline of the iron.
@@countryboy9546 what’s WML
Yes
9:12 What kind of straps and or holster system are you using? What do the straps hook onto? Your holster and where else?🤔
Para ordnance P-14
Never had a problem
What type of ammo are you using for the STI 2011 CS? Mang. and load size.
I own just about everything made...mostly nicer things. My C2 is my daily carry replacing my Nighthawk GRP commander.
you gave up your night for this c2?????????????????wtf
Cant believe I just sat through a 17 minute ad
My P226 Legion SAO RX with a tuned MK3 trigger is half the price and can anything and everything a Staccato can do. Not to mention aftermarket is much more available than Staccato.
I love Sig 226, however when you train a lot, and train hard with it, you may run into issues with controls placement. Just an FYI. The Legion series has addressed this and it is better than a stock 226.
I own both and prefer the C2.
Worth every penny....
The C2 is my daily CCW. If you are even considering purchasing one. All I can say is, quite wasting time and get it!
Yup, there are those who will settle for less....I'm not one of those guys.
@@thefrogking481 I can see you are a bit full of yourself. Every comment I’ve seen you make is boasting. I’m guessing you never found someone to marry you.
I'd never carry a C2. If you ever have to use it, it will become evidence and you'll never see it again.
The mag release is not reversible.
The (my) C2 is one of of not the best pistol I have ever shot. Actually prefer it over my Wilson EDCX9
HELL YEAH!! Staccato is worth EVERY PENNY ..
I'd have one but I live in CA
Where did you get your optic plate from bro
@guncom what type of appendix holster do you use for your C2
Tell me the trigger pull poundage please
How do you like they Philster Enigma?
Short and long answer... YES.
Looks awesome, but I can’t afford it right now. I’ll be sticking with my gen 3 Glock for the foreseeable future.
If Staccato can get the price down to $1500-$1000 then maybe, but this gun seems more like a luxury item than a duty gun.
I have the P and a gen 3 17... The P is a duty gun imo but far more accurate and quicker than the Glock 17.. it's quite a bit of coin but when you get your hands on one you realize why.
@@stevejones3383 I’m sure the Staccato is rugged, dependable, reliable and worth every penny for those who can afford it.
But it’s like comparing a F450 King Ranch to a base model Tacoma. $2300 is a lot of money for a handgun, I’d have to save up for a while.
I still trust my gen 3 G19 to work when I need it to, so I’ll have to make due with it for now.
@@mikem2132 listen mike just buy the c2 and get rid of all the other crap. Thanks
@@greenrush4313 It’s tempting, I may have to make a few trades. Happy New Year!
What front site did you change to? That's not Dawson.
So what's the life,span of a aluminum 2011?
What about infinity and atlas?
I really like that term “meat contact”
I really like my C-2 DUO, the only thing I’m not completely satisfied with is the approximately 4 lb trigger. When I find a reputable local smith (Houston area) I’ll have it redone to a 2.5 lb. Right now my gen 3 Glock 19, with a Timney trigger sits at around 3 lbs. I will add that the C-2 kicks the Glock to the curb accuracy wise, well worth the money.
Nice video. i don't believe that the magazine release is reversible, check on that.
It's not.
Do you have 10 round C2 DPO availably? I only see the large cap magazines
The C is the lower capacity model, the C2 is double stack and I've never seen a 10 round mag. The C covers those limited to 10 rounds....and it costs about $900 less than the C2.
Not large capacity those are regular capacity
Yes. There. Saved u some time.
I believe Para-ordinance were offering a wide-body/hi-cap 1911 back in the 80's. If I wanted a "race gun" I'd get a Bul Armory. Just saying!
Staccatos aren’t race guns, their origin came from them when they were STI. They took that history and made these pistols duty ready. The price point is phenomenal for this reliability and precision
For a custom gun costs that much, still polymer grip and trigger? What an insult.
its a production firearm.. not a custom but okay
For the money, I’ll take a Canik elite combat and the $1500. Hate on me all you want, but there’s no way I’m dropping $2000 on this.
Here's my 2 cents - As long as the gun dose what it was made to do that's all that matters so for me i'll just stick with my affordable glocks cause they haven't let me down yet. STI Staccato makes great guns but it's just not budget friendly
I agree. ✔️ I'm 1 of the "poors". 🤑
Boomers really like their Glocks
@@steventoral10 I can get a blue label G19 for $398. With the overall cost of living these days, I do appreciate that about a Glock.
Things poor people say
I will buy a staccato but I’m not going to put down a guy that hasn’t been able to get one yet. I’ve been using guns of all sorts for 40 years and I have enjoyed them all. Don’t be a jerk. Do you not understand how many Taurus G2’s it takes to defeat a guy with a staccato…just one in the right hands or circumstance. Be humble and learn. That staccato is a fine system and I will order one soon, however, it’s a pistol…not a guaranteed guardian angel. Use your brain
I just want the patent to expire so people will make cheaper clones lol
what holster are you wearing
Phlster Enigma
A Staccato is worth every penny you pay for it.
17 mins later the answer is yes, but IDK about spending 2k+ on a conceal carry piece..
Had the chance to buy one 3 times and always bought a new rifle instead. Handguns just don't seem worth more than $1500 tops.
I agree. $2Gs or $2500 for a pistol is 🤔. That does not include extra mags, holsters, gear, optics, add-ons.
Bingo. Glad to see someone else with common sense. They’re great, but much cheaper guns can punch the same holes.
@@killerinst1ncz308exactly
9:13 I spy a @PHLster Enigma 🧐
👍👍
Yes it is worth it
If you like the finer things you should be getting the XC, this one's the Honda civic of bunch.
XC is much more expensive, bigger and heavier.
I been watching a ton of reviews for these guns and pretty much everyone prefers this to the XC.
Worth it is a great question. What is the usage? Range toy, duty, or concealed carry. Good duty weapon and range toy for sure. Accurate, reliable, pride of ownership absolutely yes.
Concealed carry you definitely have to dress for the gun. Wish the butt was smaller and shorter.
Steve Jobs said:
" wearing a $300 or $30 watch - they both tell the same time… Whether we carry a $300 or $30 wallet/handbag - the amount of money inside is the same; Whether we drive a $150,000 car or a $30,000 car, the road and distance is the same, and we get to the same destination. Whether we drink a bottle of $300 or $10 wine - the hangover is the same; Whether the house we live in is 300 or 3000 sq ft - loneliness is the same". Now you know what worth or not. You be the judge.
i have the DVC carry and debating having it smith'd to get RMR and rail or sell it and buy a c2. decisions.
Keep it, its basically the same pistol as the C2. I own them both....I bought the C2 thinking it would be a big upgrade, it really isnt. Having it milled costs about $300, well worth it.
@@thefrogking481 did you get your dvc when they added the rail? Or did you add optic cut AND rail?
Sell it. People pay a pretty penny for the Dvc line. Then get a new c2 the way you want it.
DVC carry was never sold without a Rail.. you must have a franken gun most likely built by a gunsmith on the side.. Parts are a dime a dozen up there..
@@lukaspatty6431 incorrect there were quite a few with out rails. There were some with and without optic cuts also
I was a fan of STI/Stacatto until they became sell outs and started only making 9mm 2011s. I use Cosaint Arms now. They are better in my opinion and offer calibers 9mm, .40, .45 and 10mm so that you have plenty of options. They also do 1911 and 2011.
Nice .. but in a world now where it costs 50 bucks to treat your family to Burger King… purchasing a $2500.00 gun can be like purchasing a vehicle … but , really nice pistol
I do not find Staccato's appeal to be that they are "the finer things in life" but rather like 1911's they are much easer to shoot well. They only draw back that 1911's have for me are the limited capacity and the double stack versions solve that issue. People can argue about cost, reliability, weight, and etc., fine each to their own. For me my Cs DPO has been totally dependable, is more accurate than I am, and the trigger has broken in at my favorite pull weight for an EDC of 3.5 pounds. There are only 2 changes that I would enhance this gun. I am not particularly fond of the grip texture and rounding the bottom of the back strap would aid with concealment in OWB carry. As mentioned earlier, they are a great value at their price point.
Have a staccato c2 and the prodigy 4.25 a thousand dollars difference but not really not even 1 thousand dollars in parts either one but when I can get a gun a thousand dollars cheaper and I can make it run better than the hand fitted higher priced one I'll never pay higher priced 2011's prices again I had the prodigy myself down to 2 lbs 3oz trigger slide is gust as butter as the c2. Go figure.
I’m a vet and I’m not sold on this brand. I EDC several 10mm , 5.7, and 9mm. My mindset is if I need to draw my weapon in a real situation it’s going to be a mag dump, not a hostage situation. I don’t need a $2500 gun to do that, especially in 9mm. The only handgun I have thats worth that much is my Desert Eagle that came with .44 and .50ae barrels. I don’t think a ghost wants to be shot at with a .50ae. The marketing on this gun is top notch because it gives novice shooters the misconception that they can be expert shooters with this gun in their hands. Give me a Hipoint against some guy with 2500 to burn and I can assure you he will lose. At the end of the day it’s not my money so people can buy whatever they want
Are they worth it? The question you should be asking yourself, are you worthy of it?
not me watching all these videos to feel better about my irresponsible purchase
Damn theres a lot of jealous poors here, staccatos arent even that expensive in the 2011 world
Never heard of a polymer gun referred to as “softer shooting” gun over an all steel frame
If you have two guns of equal weight, one being polymer and one being steel or aluminum, the polymer gun will be softer shooting because it has a marginal amount of flex to the body.
Yea that comment was false. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to find a positive in a moot point at best.
@@Geremy2Taps I'm a 1911 guy, but the statement is true. Polymer does indeed soak a bit o recoil.
KnifeMaker
What do you do with a 4 figure handgun? You don't carry it lol.
The old Sti was the shit….
Not sold on Staccato
I personally would never EDC a manual safety weapon. But I would buy a staccato just for fun.