@@yume6487 yea maybe but when I see b17 do a barrel roll it kinda makes it less immersive for me and other ww2 enthusiasts but I can’t speak for everyone but dice really hit the nail on the head with the ww2 aspect of the game
Its doable, just people dont like the realism and emersion as much as just racking up kills, unless you get a lucky milsim lobby that actually likes doing that stuff
The manueverability is forgiveable, but it's just ruined by the complete and total lack of bomb damage. How on earth do multiple direct hits of 500 lb bombs do absolutely nothing to a wooden building that was easily blown open by a few sticks of dynamite?
I remember my grandfather told me this story about one time he did a barrel roll went inverted and pulled behind a me262 and dropped a bomb on it and then pulled up 5000m in 6 seconds I thought he was full of shit but seeing this it's possible he did that . Way to go gramps
Your grandpa is either capping, or you just want clout The fastest climb rate for any aircraft ever is still slower than that (as a jet aircraft) the bombardier and pilots are in separate seats and this is a video game, which doesn’t mean this shit is possible irl.
@@nikelinq2899 he was actually in the Navy just after the war, he did tell me 3 cool story's but . One of when he nearly blew himself up with a few others. Was refueling a jet that came in and while he's filling it up on deck he rested his arm on the foislage of the jet burnt his hand pulled back and accidentally ripped out the fuel hose aswell. And it went all over the jet and ignited. Granddad jumped back and the pilot in a split second hit the eject button. End of the day they went fishing for a pilot and granddad got his ass chewed by his officers cause they has to push a burning jet off the side of the HMAS Melbourne into the sea The other story he told me witch was sad. Was apparently they crashes into the side of a USA distroyer slicing it in half killing alot of the crew and the Melbourne was out of action for weeks needing repairs to the bow
@@nikelinq2899 and the last story was one of where a pilot survived skipping over the deck the ejection wouldn't work so fell into the water with jet it was dragged under by the carrier but a escort ship found the pilot alive with a bruised skull and a broken leg in the water shortly after. Everyone on the top deck ran to the sides and watched waiting for someone or something to pop out of the water
The boeing B-17 “ Flying Fortress” was infamously know for its maneuverability. As u can clearly see in this video this is a very true presentation of the bombers capabilities. Furthermore
@@tcg1_qc While flying upside down after doing a masterful barrel roll, of course. The military is so dumb, they're spending trillions on new multirole planes like the F-35 while having B-17's just waiting to steamroll anything.
Not being able to destroy buildings (or at least a damaged model) is kinda wack but knowing 1942's map design, I think its fine, especially the big flatness of El Alamein. Biggest improvement are the side gunners and the bomb sight (many people used OG1942 bombers like a dive bomber anyways, especially for He 111 in Battle of Britain) , though I don't remember this bomber being so maneuverable. Gotta say, I'm surprised that they put work to add side gunners and bombsights with a detailed cockpit/gunner view. One thing I wish they kept in for the lols was the ability to shoot down your own plane as a gunner. That was some toxic fun. I don't have the game and I'm not really comfortable getting it right now until I see more content for portal, but this looks promising.
the extent of work they put into modelling this B17 is promising but with so much friction from the infantry players, I am not certain the Battlefield pilots will see their light of day anytime soon. The ineffectiveness of those bombs is just insulting to the pilots. 0 damage to tanks. Never knew they would stoop so low that bombs could not damage tanks or buildings. Mind you, many of the BF pilots have pointed out how lacking in depth the air combat in BF2042/Portal overall has been. Issues pointed out in Beta (extreme sensitivity, weak cannons, lack of customizability) have not been addressed in this full release. Surpisingly, El Alamein is not the only map that has the B17. Battle of the Bulge does too, it's an air spawn though. This was not the case in the original Bulge map in 1942, but point is, Bulge has lots of buildings. Buildings that the tanks with their infinite ammo can just as easily level so why can't the B17 or any aircraft with bombs do it too? The futility of those bombs is not unique to the B17. When I tested a Spitfire/109/Stuka, I saw the same results. It's the bombs. They're completely useless.
The lack of destruction is what gets me, and not just from the B17, but in the game overall. How they went from the organic destruction of 1 and V to whatever we have now is beyond me
I flew in Texas Raiders’ B17 in 2017. It was quite the experience. Dice does a great job replicating the aircraft; especially the sound of the engines (it’s so loud in the cabin in real life from the engines that the crew hands out ear plugs for hearing protection). It is really disappointing that this is the first Battlefield game with no joystick support on PC, though.
I flew in one two out here in Idaho. It’s crazy to me how uninsulated those things are! Like I can stick a wrench through the floor! Still an absolute beauty though.
Aside from the weak bombs that might be patched later on I imagine if enough people complain what caught my attention is how scary accurate that thing can be. planes in bf5 were not scary to on foot players but damn this thing if they add more damage to it will definitely keep you looking up for it
of course, I remember in BF1 when ppl found out the Ilya Muromets could rain mortar shells from space, everyone looked up and ran away anytime they saw one. It's a question to the devs, why add bombers if they aren't going to be a force for reckon? Personally, if they didn't add bombers that's fine, but if you are going to add it, make it live up to its intended role. Currently, it has no substance.
@@DakotaofRaptors Exactly lol. Probably the most hardest BF game to drive a tank if there is a good pilot. And annoying as shit in a tight objective. Ever dropped a 4000lb bomb on the bridge in Twisted Steel? Well i have. 16 kills, 3 vehicles destroyed. In wide open maps its pretty much useless to even try to evade.
Funny enough, you could probably pull maneuver pretty sharp, but once for about ten seconds. Then you'd bleed all your speed and slug along at about 60mph slowly falling lol.
i love how games these days will state they are "ultra-realistic" yet I'm sitting here watching a B-17 break the Guinness world record for shortest runway takeoff..... what's next? a MIG that can fly backwards? sounds "realistic" to me
i mean tbh in their defense the trailer have a guy ejecting from a jet to dome his pursuer with a rocket launcher, this game is DEFINITELY not marketed as ultra realistic lmao
With full crew yeah it'll be almost impossible to takedown but don't expect to do much with those 8x500s. You'll have to be absolutely precise to get any kills. Direct hits I mean.
@@getehrwolf6111 i know its battlefield so i should give up on realism but if that were to fly like a B17 the momment you try to tightly turn its gonna fall outta the sky B17s are so so slow
I have no clue how people are calling this anywhere near good, the realism of Battlefield games is always dogshite. And before you try to say it, yes, we are well within our rights to criticise a game that prides itself on its accuracy for not having a single ounce of realism.
aviation in bf games was always constrained by map sice and gameplay has to fit in a combined arms battle, they should have left strategic bombers out of the game entirely
bro, i was like you. those first few hrs after release i was just looking for video of the b17 in 2042 but then days past and still nothing. Shouldn't have been surprised. Truth be told, no one cares about a B17 in this game. Only ones that probably do are the OG 1942 players that remember the good days of Gazala, El Alamein, fighting with bots for the pilot spot etc... I found out you could try the game thru EA Play so I spent ~$5, installed it overnight and tried it out the next day to share my observations of the aircraft. Pilot's notes if you will. Conclusion: if you are in this game for the B17 (like me) then hold off on it. At this point, it is a beautiful useless aircraft.
This thing is literally just the BF1942 B-17 in it's most perfect form. Really miss when people weren't so hooked on "muh hyperaccuraterealismitis" 1942 was fun because it kept everything simple and just real enough to get you into the atmosphere. The fact that this is really just the old map with a new coat of paint should honestly be celebrated.
I'll bet the people bitching about realism in a battlefield game are only doing it to sound knowledgeable. Simulators exist if you want realism, battlefield is for suspending your disbelief and having fun.
I think they're bitching about the fact that the bombs aren't breaking buildings but tanks can. For some reason. "Balance" I guess? If tanks can break buildings so should a B-17. There's literally a game mode in 1942 where you fly bombers to kill buildings so it's like this is novel.
ehhh, those MGs aren't gonna hurt anyone. If you get any kills, it'll be more luck than skill. If your B17 is that low, you may be susceptible to tank fire so there's that. It won't be an AC130 by any stretch of the imagination. The AC130 had cannons of various calibers, the B17 only has machine guns.
@@flyus747 not to mention the firing rate & sound of the 50. Cals is totally off, makes you feel like you’re in a British Lancaster with 30. Cals or something.
It just doesn't feel the same. Not sure if it's the increased draw distance or the onset of sprinting in BF games but it feels smaller and less epic...
If you played War Thunder, there´s no going back to this Star Wars flightmodel. I loved flying in previous BF´s but since playing War Thunder I literally can´t enjoy planes in 99% of all other games. Flightmodels are just insanely ridiculous.
@@markwilhelmsson385 True but war thunder has this perfect balance between too arcadey and too realistic, anyone can hop in the game and fly a plane without spending hours learning how to fly it, but also without feeling that it's unrealistic
War thunder is realistic ish, definetly more realistic then battlefield, but back to the battlefield series worse scenario is that they stopped people resurrecting bf2 the original with all dlcs, that game was brilliant, for an arcady feel shooter bf2 original and the original 2142, we still feel the pain till after we resurrected it EA is like nope no multiplayer. But it will always remain the best in the battlefield series just the company doesn't want that old horse to go live despite they are the best in the series, anyway the battlefield series has been wrecked apart from bad company return to bf2 original and bf 2142 original and do a gta5 style business to keep it live. If only EA see it
@@a39tortoise40 no no that’s super realistic, it’s a well known fact that the b-17 was able to outmanoeuvre any fighter plane. Many people mistakenly assume that the b-17 was a bomber while it actually was a fighter plane and one of the best at turn fighting.
Portal is still a sick and cool asf idea, did not expect them to put in classic games from the past into their new game. This alone is worth the campaign drop. Now as sick as it is, there is still a lot of work that needs doing as you highlight in this video, building destruction is hit and miss in portal at the minute, I even got it in the Bf 3 tank it would destroy and not destroy walls.. hoping just a bug that will be fixed. As a Bf fan I freaking love the fact we can play 1942, Bf Bad Company 2 and Bf 3 right now in their new game, sure they need to add more weapons to each of those series, I feel a few upgrades are missing on the vehicles. Still man playing a 2002 game with graphics like this is so freaking great full on nerd out while playing 1942. Still love the fact that you can create your own server and put AI in, so you don't have to always rely on looking for another server online. Greatest fun I've head since playing Jurrasic world evolution 2. I'm all for banter and knocking it, but man this feature alone is hands down freaking cool as f*ck!! You wouldn't see cod bringing out a Mw game and having the other ones available to mess around on with some maps. Oh that's the other big thing, hopefully they will add more maps it's limited although there are some great maps on there like Caspian borders, hoping Bf 4 will be added so I can sweat it out even more with AI instead of the same server or dead servers 😆 I take my hat off to the team for bringing us portal, every Bf fan should be hyped about this addition, hope they continue to update it man they should have advertised the portal more so peeps like me originally wouldn't knock it for having no campaign and online 2042 being trash atm. The moment they add the BC2 Vietnam maps is the moment I lose my shit missed it soo much!!!
during the bombing raids over Germany many squadrons of P-51s were shot down by German BF-109 fighters which outmatched them in speed, firepower, and maneuverability. US needed a new Aircraft to escourt them. They developed the B-17 Tactical fighter. With extreme maneuverability despite its large size and great durability proved it a superb escort fighter.
They probably watch that documentary about how one B-17 manage to fend off multiple japanes zero by doing crazy stunt like, putting the bomber in knife position ( something like that ) to avoid giving the enemy time to aim well enough and they tought " yes this is the b-17 that bf need:
I get that they make planes super maneuverable like this to reduce the learning curve, and make it more fun, but honestly having played games that at least make an attempt to have realistic flight physics, this is the furthest thing from fun. I had fond memories of playing CoD black ops back in the day, so at some point I got Battlefield 1 because I liked the idea of a modern high budget shooter in a ww1 setting, and it was just like this. I had never had less fun in a game than when I played battlefield 1, especially with the airplanes
I like this, I don’t care how unrealistic it is I love games that are just made to have fun, “realism” can only be so fun before it’s just frustrating and annoying, or boring.
My theory on that is that this B17 was originally planned to make it's way into BFV at a later season but because the game was killed prematurely, the B17 never got to be in the game. I've mentioned in my notes that this B17 flies a lot like the Blenheim and Ju88 of BFV, it's easier to control than a Gotha from BF1. Two reasons why I think the B17 was originally going to be in BFV: 1) BFV Concept Art photos - you'll have to Google for these photos but at least 2 photos showed B17s. One had waist gunners firing away and another showed a B17 crash landing (remember when that was on their to-do list?) 2) It is highly unlikely that they exclusively put all this work into the awesome detail and functionality of this B17 model, just for it to be relegated as a vehicle (for one sub-segment of BF2042 and only available for one faction). By my estimation, more love and attention was put into this model than any other 2042 vehicle so it's hard for me to believe the B17 was exclusively made for Portal. This B17 has many advancements over the original B17 in 1942, you could almost argue it's almost not faithful to the original (in a good way). When it was decided to include BF1942 era content for Portal, many BFV assets and these still-unused-and-would-have-been in-BFV assets were spared the horrors of deletion and given a new life in the world of BF Portal. That's my theory.
This whole game is a disappointment, what’d you expect 😂 but in all fairness that’s not a bad model if I’m being honest and that’s only in regards to how it looks!!
Stay tuned for MicroProse's B17 The Might Eighth III. Expected release date late 2022/early 2023. I'm hopeful that game will feature walkable cabins. Also in that same timeframe, the Masters of the Air is expected to be coming out. It is the sequel to Band of Brothers and The Pacific and it'll tell the story of the Mighty Eighth and bombing Europe.
Default key is mouse wheel scroll down. C switches betweent external/internal view Mouse wheel scroll down - pilot/bombardier seat. (Its all under the Pilot position). Mouse wheel click - look back
Idk what people expected in terms of how realistic the b17 would be. It's not like it's any different from the flightmodels of any other recent battlefield game. Like in bf1 the big bombers were super manuverable and the tanks were like RC cars
4:55 inverse drop bombing... this remember me the BF2. In BF1942 that was suicide, bombs explode when touch the plane if you are down of them. B17 bombs don't damage buildings, but tnt yes. Oh... what you do to that game EA !? #F
Pretty much, if you’re coming over from more realistic titles like War Thunder or IL2 then the BF physics may be a bit of a shocker but it’s important to understand the airplanes in any game need to handle in proportion to the size of the map. Realistic titles like War Thunder and IL2 have maps large enough where they can realistically duplicate flight models whilst still giving players room to play around the map. The BF maps are much smaller in comparison so the planes in this game will maneuver like arcade type games so that these planes can have room to play. Speed is also scaled to make these maps feel large too.
Weak bombs. A bomber is remembered for two things, their survivability and their destructive power. This B17 will be quite survivable with a full crew on comms but those bombs are incredibly underpowered. A useless bomber that's just robbed the team of 6 players.
@@ajzjjdnejwjsids2424 negative, in the customization menu (not featured in the video), you will see that only the 8x500 option is equipped, it cannot be unequipped.
@@flyus747 But it's based on how it performed in 1942 and IIRC it wasn't some super powerful bomber in that game. The bombs are really good against soldiers and I've racked up a lot of kills in it. Survivability is pretty good too as few people come after you and you can hot-swap to the rear gunner and quickly take a tail out. Done it multiple times
How did you get the bomb reticule to work and actually hit targets? It always seems to be off for me. I saw that you somehow locked it on to the target. How did you do that?
1380 PS sind zwar sehr beachtlich, dennoch 16 Tonnen nach 20 Meter vertikal wie eine Rakete nach oben zu schießen ist mehr als unrealistisch. Klar ist ein Spiel, aber BF war unter den "shootern" meist der realistische von allen. Also etwas bessere Physik wäre nicht schlecht
Tbh the model of the plane looks pretty accurate but it’s the crazy maneuverability that gets me
Yeah they screwed that up since BF3-4 probably. In BF1 planes roll like stunt planes today.
And this... well it's BF2042 what were we expecting?
I don't think it matters
@@yume6487 yea maybe but when I see b17 do a barrel roll it kinda makes it less immersive for me and other ww2 enthusiasts but I can’t speak for everyone but dice really hit the nail on the head with the ww2 aspect of the game
@@gravity4697 yup
The non working bomb bay door that drops the bombs while upside down 🤦♂️ thats what got me....#notmybattlefield 😆
It’s honestly incredible how they’re able to take elements from previous game and somehow make them even worse
i mean they were bought out by ea so i really wouldn't be surprised
@@josephreed437 the first battlefield was published by EA too
They did the same with V it’s nuts
Thats what happens when they focus more on politics than on making actually playable and somewhat historically accurate games
@@josephreed437 "Bought out".
What a poser statement lol.
Ahh yes the b17 and it’s vertical climb were well known
dont forget the 5 second turn time 😍
B17 was a strong energy fighter, put up a good fight in the climbs against those 109’s
@@mauriciosanchez144 out manoeuvre me 262s
Let’s not forget the amazing upside down bombing capabilities.
@@FLOperative y did you say it twice
According to this game, a B-17 can outmaneuver an F-22. At least that’s what they make it look like.
to be frank, jets arent that maneuverable either.
Bruh moment
@@yegorgribenuke6853 They are, expecially 5th gen ones such as the: F22 or SU57. Older Jets like the Phantom or the F105 are not.
@@fralaus9836 comparing the F-22 to the Su-57 is like comparing John Wick to a quadriplegic in hospice
@@im_flat We are talking about turn rate not technology or armaments, I know that the f22 is way better than the su57
Bf4: can't drop JDAMs on bad angles 2042: we call this the upsidedown stunt bombing run
It's evolving, just... Backwards
To be fair you can do that in bf1 and 5
Hahahhahahahhaha ass backwards
even bf 1942 doesnt have that stupid science shit lmfao
Would love to see full crew who knows what there doing defend the sky from fighter planes
Check out the Mighty 8th by Microprose..
You don't need a crew xD
Just switch between places
@@CptEngage shouldnt have to be that way
@@CptEngage it is better when you have skilled gunners
Its doable, just people dont like the realism and emersion as much as just racking up kills, unless you get a lucky milsim lobby that actually likes doing that stuff
The manueverability is forgiveable, but it's just ruined by the complete and total lack of bomb damage. How on earth do multiple direct hits of 500 lb bombs do absolutely nothing to a wooden building that was easily blown open by a few sticks of dynamite?
Balancing.
Cause then you’d have that virgin xXxSh4d0w_ki114xXx ruin the entire game for you for just a tiny squirt of seratonin
I like to think of it as a balancing act I mean just siting in a bomber the whole game would be stupid if those bombs did more damage
@@giantenemycrab5596 understandable but maybe needing a second player to drop the bombs would make it more understandable
@@seraphim_son
"Squirt of serotonin" That's good I should write that down.
I remember my grandfather told me this story about one time he did a barrel roll went inverted and pulled behind a me262 and dropped a bomb on it and then pulled up 5000m in 6 seconds
I thought he was full of shit but seeing this it's possible he did that . Way to go gramps
Your grandpa is either capping, or you just want clout
The fastest climb rate for any aircraft ever is still slower than that (as a jet aircraft) the bombardier and pilots are in separate seats and this is a video game, which doesn’t mean this shit is possible irl.
@@nikelinq2899 clearly you didn't get the joke 🤣
@@scottbrown7073 making fun of battlefield realism, just was blowing off some steam
@@nikelinq2899 he was actually in the Navy just after the war, he did tell me 3 cool story's but . One of when he nearly blew himself up with a few others. Was refueling a jet that came in and while he's filling it up on deck he rested his arm on the foislage of the jet burnt his hand pulled back and accidentally ripped out the fuel hose aswell. And it went all over the jet and ignited. Granddad jumped back and the pilot in a split second hit the eject button.
End of the day they went fishing for a pilot and granddad got his ass chewed by his officers cause they has to push a burning jet off the side of the HMAS Melbourne into the sea
The other story he told me witch was sad. Was apparently they crashes into the side of a USA distroyer slicing it in half killing alot of the crew and the Melbourne was out of action for weeks needing repairs to the bow
@@nikelinq2899 and the last story was one of where a pilot survived skipping over the deck the ejection wouldn't work so fell into the water with jet it was dragged under by the carrier but a escort ship found the pilot alive with a bruised skull and a broken leg in the water shortly after.
Everyone on the top deck ran to the sides and watched waiting for someone or something to pop out of the water
The boeing B-17 “ Flying Fortress” was infamously know for its maneuverability. As u can clearly see in this video this is a very true presentation of the bombers capabilities. Furthermore
Flights of B17s escorted p51s and shot down bf109s.
Believe me it's true
@@KILLERMEXICAN210 yeah ofcourse
@@KILLERMEXICAN210 i mean they did shoot down bf109s
Why would you even need fighter escorts when you can just dogfight with the bomber?
@@tcg1_qc While flying upside down after doing a masterful barrel roll, of course.
The military is so dumb, they're spending trillions on new multirole planes like the F-35 while having B-17's just waiting to steamroll anything.
Not being able to destroy buildings (or at least a damaged model) is kinda wack but knowing 1942's map design, I think its fine, especially the big flatness of El Alamein.
Biggest improvement are the side gunners and the bomb sight (many people used OG1942 bombers like a dive bomber anyways, especially for He 111 in Battle of Britain) , though I don't remember this bomber being so maneuverable.
Gotta say, I'm surprised that they put work to add side gunners and bombsights with a detailed cockpit/gunner view.
One thing I wish they kept in for the lols was the ability to shoot down your own plane as a gunner. That was some toxic fun.
I don't have the game and I'm not really comfortable getting it right now until I see more content for portal, but this looks promising.
the extent of work they put into modelling this B17 is promising but with so much friction from the infantry players, I am not certain the Battlefield pilots will see their light of day anytime soon. The ineffectiveness of those bombs is just insulting to the pilots. 0 damage to tanks. Never knew they would stoop so low that bombs could not damage tanks or buildings. Mind you, many of the BF pilots have pointed out how lacking in depth the air combat in BF2042/Portal overall has been.
Issues pointed out in Beta (extreme sensitivity, weak cannons, lack of customizability) have not been addressed in this full release.
Surpisingly, El Alamein is not the only map that has the B17. Battle of the Bulge does too, it's an air spawn though. This was not the case in the original Bulge map in 1942, but point is, Bulge has lots of buildings. Buildings that the tanks with their infinite ammo can just as easily level so why can't the B17 or any aircraft with bombs do it too?
The futility of those bombs is not unique to the B17. When I tested a Spitfire/109/Stuka, I saw the same results. It's the bombs. They're completely useless.
JU-88*
Well they just added rush to portal so yeah
Do not buy this game
if it can go down its a dive bomber
Me:
Okay okay models fine
*Plane proceeds to make 90 degree turn up and barrel roll and 180 degree turn back
Also me:
*dies inside
The lack of destruction is what gets me, and not just from the B17, but in the game overall. How they went from the organic destruction of 1 and V to whatever we have now is beyond me
Even the original bad company games had beautiful distruction
@@firstcyberbattalion7531 Wdym by The original?
I flew in Texas Raiders’ B17 in 2017. It was quite the experience. Dice does a great job replicating the aircraft; especially the sound of the engines (it’s so loud in the cabin in real life from the engines that the crew hands out ear plugs for hearing protection). It is really disappointing that this is the first Battlefield game with no joystick support on PC, though.
I flew in one two out here in Idaho. It’s crazy to me how uninsulated those things are! Like I can stick a wrench through the floor! Still an absolute beauty though.
Bomber Boys
Im a student pilot flying a Cessna 172, we still use noise blocking headsets. Planes are just loud in general
Glad to see the B-17 turns like an F22 (super realistic.)
Yeah and also glad swing People complain about a game thats not realistic. You literally jump in the air with dynamite, shut the fuck up.
@@pipopoikapelaa5468 it make you feel strong and big to say shut the fuck up via a comment ? You big strong man. Haha love it. Go away.
@@pipopoikapelaa5468 a WW2 game should be realistic.
@@pipopoikapelaa5468 you actually cant tho lol, people tested it and it doesnt work (it did in bf4)
@@yumehikkiangel To my understanding you can do it in portal with the german jeep
4:30 i love how the bombs dropped down while the bomb bay are upside down lol
fr even bf1942 would have those dealing damage on the plane if upside down
it wasnt even open
@@klashnikov22 it would just kill ya instantly this is such a disappointment
Aside from the weak bombs that might be patched later on I imagine if enough people complain what caught my attention is how scary accurate that thing can be. planes in bf5 were not scary to on foot players but damn this thing if they add more damage to it will definitely keep you looking up for it
of course, I remember in BF1 when ppl found out the Ilya Muromets could rain mortar shells from space, everyone looked up and ran away anytime they saw one.
It's a question to the devs, why add bombers if they aren't going to be a force for reckon? Personally, if they didn't add bombers that's fine, but if you are going to add it, make it live up to its intended role. Currently, it has no substance.
@@flyus747 But that was a costly mistake. BF1's heavy bombers were ridiclously OP
Wdym planes werent scary for ground folk in BFV?
@@azretah1706 they freakin dominate the map lmao
@@DakotaofRaptors
Exactly lol. Probably the most hardest BF game to drive a tank if there is a good pilot. And annoying as shit in a tight objective. Ever dropped a 4000lb bomb on the bridge in Twisted Steel? Well i have. 16 kills, 3 vehicles destroyed.
In wide open maps its pretty much useless to even try to evade.
so excited to play around with the bomber again. multi-rider vehicles are the best in BF games imo
Being rear gunner in ground attack plane in bf1 was another level of satisfaction
The b17 when attacked by German fighters would often take them into the vertical fight and outclimb their opponents
Funny enough, you could probably pull maneuver pretty sharp, but once for about ten seconds. Then you'd bleed all your speed and slug along at about 60mph slowly falling lol.
Are you kidding. Heavy plane can outclimb a fighter. Which is designed to outclimb out maneuver any bomber in those days
Not out climb it was just that they were durable asf like look up the all American B-17
i love how games these days will state they are "ultra-realistic" yet I'm sitting here watching a B-17 break the Guinness world record for shortest runway takeoff..... what's next? a MIG that can fly backwards? sounds "realistic" to me
The marketing team of that game lied to us many tile but they never said it was realistic.
@@fraskf6765 agreed
i mean tbh in their defense the trailer have a guy ejecting from a jet to dome his pursuer with a rocket launcher, this game is DEFINITELY not marketed as ultra realistic lmao
Not a single battlefield game has accurate take offs
Bruh this is battlefield 2042 they didn't say they were gonna be realistic and if you are playing a battlefield for realism what are you doing
Like a muromets with better turret placement, this thing's going to be unstoppable with a full crew.
With full crew yeah it'll be almost impossible to takedown but don't expect to do much with those 8x500s. You'll have to be absolutely precise to get any kills. Direct hits I mean.
I wish they add a fw190 a5/u2 to counter the full crew B-17
@@getehrwolf6111 id say a BF 109 K4 would be a better counter that thing can rip the tail off B17s
@@Yuudachi_Pois Also the K4, but it'll be overkill to any plane in bf, if G6 it's already the most op plane in bf
@@getehrwolf6111 i know its battlefield so i should give up on realism but if that were to fly like a B17 the momment you try to tightly turn its gonna fall outta the sky B17s are so so slow
The reason why the Japanese lost is because of the Bombers extremely impressive turn rate which out turned all Japanese aircraft at that time
You can tell the amazing attention to detail from the fact that the pilot position is called "Driver" in the UI on the right.
Driving a car driving a place whats the difference ? xD
At least portal gives dice an outlet to dump all the unused BFV content.
Was in a stuka and omg when there's a team that knows what they're doing in a b17, they can destroy the sky, got taken out multiple times
I like how the B-17 is a Su-57☠️. It randomly has thrust vectoring
I have no clue how people are calling this anywhere near good, the realism of Battlefield games is always dogshite. And before you try to say it, yes, we are well within our rights to criticise a game that prides itself on its accuracy for not having a single ounce of realism.
aviation in bf games was always constrained by map sice and gameplay has to fit in a combined arms battle, they should have left strategic bombers out of the game entirely
you might as well start shitting on need for speed for being unrealistic too.
The original 1942 was much more realistic I think.
@@DasBrotkuchen War THunder has similar map sizes but the air combat there is top notch nothing can even come close
Other than the cliche battlefield ridiculous climb rate and maneuverability it’s not too bad, I’m impressed with the inclusion of a bomb sight!
This is the first video reviewing B17 BF1942 portal in youtube
Been searching like crazy here and finally found a video when I typed "Battlefield 1942 B-17"
bro, i was like you. those first few hrs after release i was just looking for video of the b17 in 2042 but then days past and still nothing. Shouldn't have been surprised. Truth be told, no one cares about a B17 in this game. Only ones that probably do are the OG 1942 players that remember the good days of Gazala, El Alamein, fighting with bots for the pilot spot etc...
I found out you could try the game thru EA Play so I spent ~$5, installed it overnight and tried it out the next day to share my observations of the aircraft. Pilot's notes if you will.
Conclusion: if you are in this game for the B17 (like me) then hold off on it. At this point, it is a beautiful useless aircraft.
This dude just made a great showcase hinting towards everything disappointing about bf2042
This thing is literally just the BF1942 B-17 in it's most perfect form. Really miss when people weren't so hooked on "muh hyperaccuraterealismitis" 1942 was fun because it kept everything simple and just real enough to get you into the atmosphere. The fact that this is really just the old map with a new coat of paint should honestly be celebrated.
I'll bet the people bitching about realism in a battlefield game are only doing it to sound knowledgeable. Simulators exist if you want realism, battlefield is for suspending your disbelief and having fun.
I think they're bitching about the fact that the bombs aren't breaking buildings but tanks can. For some reason. "Balance" I guess?
If tanks can break buildings so should a B-17. There's literally a game mode in 1942 where you fly bombers to kill buildings so it's like this is novel.
@Demon No one cares because B-17 in 1942 could do all that.
Well it’s canonically correct matching what the average B-17 would’ve looked like in mid 1942
It looks kinda small tho
Canonical, you mean historically accurate lmao?
This thing is capable of being an AC-130 with full crew
ehhh, those MGs aren't gonna hurt anyone. If you get any kills, it'll be more luck than skill. If your B17 is that low, you may be susceptible to tank fire so there's that.
It won't be an AC130 by any stretch of the imagination. The AC130 had cannons of various calibers, the B17 only has machine guns.
@@flyus747 EHHHHHHHH
@@flyus747 ruclips.net/video/SAbtgGOGRN4/видео.html&feature=share
See guys we can always fix arguments with a little bit of humor
@@flyus747 not to mention the firing rate & sound of the 50. Cals is totally off, makes you feel like you’re in a British Lancaster with 30. Cals or something.
What got me was when the bombs hid the building it did nothing. But when any other explosives hit it it gets damaged. Hmmm.
0:02 I played enough BF1942 to instantly recognize that this part was the map "El Alamein"
It just doesn't feel the same. Not sure if it's the increased draw distance or the onset of sprinting in BF games but it feels smaller and less epic...
4:01 Compression. wing rip. Rapid unexpected dismantling.
If you played War Thunder, there´s no going back to this Star Wars flightmodel.
I loved flying in previous BF´s but since playing War Thunder I literally can´t enjoy planes in 99% of all other games.
Flightmodels are just insanely ridiculous.
I know what you mean. This thing turns like a spitfire and climbs like a skyshark.
If you think War Thunder flight model is good, you should try IL2 Great Battles series. War Thunder is trash compared.
@@markwilhelmsson385 or DCS
@@markwilhelmsson385 True but war thunder has this perfect balance between too arcadey and too realistic, anyone can hop in the game and fly a plane without spending hours learning how to fly it, but also without feeling that it's unrealistic
War thunder is realistic ish, definetly more realistic then battlefield, but back to the battlefield series worse scenario is that they stopped people resurrecting bf2 the original with all dlcs, that game was brilliant, for an arcady feel shooter bf2 original and the original 2142, we still feel the pain till after we resurrected it EA is like nope no multiplayer. But it will always remain the best in the battlefield series just the company doesn't want that old horse to go live despite they are the best in the series, anyway the battlefield series has been wrecked apart from bad company return to bf2 original and bf 2142 original and do a gta5 style business to keep it live. If only EA see it
Idk if anyone’s mentioned this but that B-17 is tiny. IRL they are absolutely gigantic.
Yeah, i dont know if its to fit the game size but the plane is soo tiny.
EA: you get F-22 flight model, you get F-22 flight model , EVERYONE GETS F-22 FLIGHT MODEL
Sums up 2042 in totality - Shiny Shiny but no substance
first time i saw it i thought it was a debris bug from how big it was floating around
Anyone else notice a point in the sky near the left wing at 4:04?
I cant see anything too bad about it (except for its questionable upside down bombing capabilities, and is smaller size)
Also the gun sounds because to me they sound like 30s when most if not all should be 50s
You dont think the fact a bomber has better maneuverability than a stunt plane is questionable?
@@a39tortoise40 no no that’s super realistic, it’s a well known fact that the b-17 was able to outmanoeuvre any fighter plane. Many people mistakenly assume that the b-17 was a bomber while it actually was a fighter plane and one of the best at turn fighting.
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Any sources?
@@GodofWeird I think he’s trolling
Oh yes the b-17 is now a fucking fighter
Flight characteristics are comparable to a p51 😂
Portal is still a sick and cool asf idea, did not expect them to put in classic games from the past into their new game.
This alone is worth the campaign drop.
Now as sick as it is, there is still a lot of work that needs doing as you highlight in this video, building destruction is hit and miss in portal at the minute, I even got it in the Bf 3 tank it would destroy and not destroy walls.. hoping just a bug that will be fixed.
As a Bf fan I freaking love the fact we can play 1942, Bf Bad Company 2 and Bf 3 right now in their new game, sure they need to add more weapons to each of those series, I feel a few upgrades are missing on the vehicles.
Still man playing a 2002 game with graphics like this is so freaking great full on nerd out while playing 1942.
Still love the fact that you can create your own server and put AI in, so you don't have to always rely on looking for another server online.
Greatest fun I've head since playing Jurrasic world evolution 2.
I'm all for banter and knocking it, but man this feature alone is hands down freaking cool as f*ck!!
You wouldn't see cod bringing out a Mw game and having the other ones available to mess around on with some maps.
Oh that's the other big thing, hopefully they will add more maps it's limited although there are some great maps on there like Caspian borders, hoping Bf 4 will be added so I can sweat it out even more with AI instead of the same server or dead servers 😆
I take my hat off to the team for bringing us portal, every Bf fan should be hyped about this addition, hope they continue to update it man they should have advertised the portal more so peeps like me originally wouldn't knock it for having no campaign and online 2042 being trash atm.
The moment they add the BC2 Vietnam maps is the moment I lose my shit missed it soo much!!!
This will keep happening so long as people continue to let game developers turn a profit off pre-orders alone.
I’d love to see a custom game mode of like an actual ww2 bombing run simulation. Lots of b-17’s and some escorts vs bf109 attackers
War thunder
Dice said "Give it crazy maneuverability and trash bombs."
Love how the propellers are moving so fast.
during the bombing raids over Germany many squadrons of P-51s were shot down by German BF-109 fighters which outmatched them in speed, firepower, and maneuverability. US needed a new Aircraft to escourt them. They developed the B-17 Tactical fighter. With extreme maneuverability despite its large size and great durability proved it a superb escort fighter.
lol I wipe the floor with BF-09 in my P 51 in War Thunder
This was a joke about the Inaccurate Speed and Maneuverability, im not being serious.
I wasn't expecting delicious ASMR up until the rapid gunfire.
ah yes the hyper manuverable super B-17 Fighter jet with the best stealth capability
I love how nothing you do to the control stick effects airspeed, not even going space shuttle status.
If the bombs would make actual damage to the barracks, 12:26 would be so fucking epic...
of course it would. it's a B17, did you expect it to not level buildings? Battlefield thinks to seem so...
@@flyus747 why so mad?
Holy shit that sprint holding the garand up hurts my soul.
They probably watch that documentary about how one B-17 manage to fend off multiple japanes zero by doing crazy stunt like, putting the bomber in knife position ( something like that ) to avoid giving the enemy time to aim well enough and they tought " yes this is the b-17 that bf need:
1. That's way too maneuverable 2. There's no impact on the pilot from all those negative g's 3. Bombing upside down
I get that they make planes super maneuverable like this to reduce the learning curve, and make it more fun, but honestly having played games that at least make an attempt to have realistic flight physics, this is the furthest thing from fun. I had fond memories of playing CoD black ops back in the day, so at some point I got Battlefield 1 because I liked the idea of a modern high budget shooter in a ww1 setting, and it was just like this. I had never had less fun in a game than when I played battlefield 1, especially with the airplanes
Remember this Airfield from BF1942 EL ALAMEIN map. Old good times
That moment when you walk over the cabin... Awesome model size
I like this, I don’t care how unrealistic it is I love games that are just made to have fun, “realism” can only be so fun before it’s just frustrating and annoying, or boring.
But in the portal gameplay trailer, the bomber leveled a church on Battle of the Bulge
Lul still trusting Dice trailers
As I love bf 1942 i can respect this game
Everybody gangsta until America figures out how to make B-17s that are as manueaverable as Spitfires
This really begs the question as to why they didn’t put this into battlefield 5
My theory on that is that this B17 was originally planned to make it's way into BFV at a later season but because the game was killed prematurely, the B17 never got to be in the game. I've mentioned in my notes that this B17 flies a lot like the Blenheim and Ju88 of BFV, it's easier to control than a Gotha from BF1.
Two reasons why I think the B17 was originally going to be in BFV:
1) BFV Concept Art photos - you'll have to Google for these photos but at least 2 photos showed B17s. One had waist gunners firing away and another showed a B17 crash landing (remember when that was on their to-do list?)
2) It is highly unlikely that they exclusively put all this work into the awesome detail and functionality of this B17 model, just for it to be relegated as a vehicle (for one sub-segment of BF2042 and only available for one faction). By my estimation, more love and attention was put into this model than any other 2042 vehicle so it's hard for me to believe the B17 was exclusively made for Portal.
This B17 has many advancements over the original B17 in 1942, you could almost argue it's almost not faithful to the original (in a good way).
When it was decided to include BF1942 era content for Portal, many BFV assets and these still-unused-and-would-have-been in-BFV assets were spared the horrors of deletion and given a new life in the world of BF Portal.
That's my theory.
@@flyus747 ahh
It's a relief that they didn't add the Pe-8
This whole game is a disappointment, what’d you expect 😂 but in all fairness that’s not a bad model if I’m being honest and that’s only in regards to how it looks!!
Though the multicrew is cool. I wish WT allowed a bunch of guys to get in one bomber and actually man the guns.
The longest vertical takeoff of any propeller plane
In the end hopping into this with a full squad and just use it like a gunship
ever since COD the big red 1, ive wanted to be able to walk through the plane :(
Stay tuned for MicroProse's B17 The Might Eighth III. Expected release date late 2022/early 2023.
I'm hopeful that game will feature walkable cabins.
Also in that same timeframe, the Masters of the Air is expected to be coming out. It is the sequel to Band of Brothers and The Pacific and it'll tell the story of the Mighty Eighth and bombing Europe.
Try BF1942 mod Desert Combat
Cod 2 big red one was amazing. Hands down best COD game and since it's old not many people know about it sadly.
how do I get into the bomber sight of the B17?
When I press C in the Pilot seat, it only changes between outside and cockpit
Default key is mouse wheel scroll down.
C switches betweent external/internal view
Mouse wheel scroll down - pilot/bombardier seat. (Its all under the Pilot position).
Mouse wheel click - look back
Its Games like this that make me Appreciate Games like War Thunder and IL-2 despite its flaws
I don't know why it look & feel so light, B-17 can't do extreme maneuver like that
This thing is more manouverable than the planes in bfV
Same I always try and assemble them but it’s hard to keep it working
Ahh the classic B 17 with its 5 second turn time
Idk what people expected in terms of how realistic the b17 would be. It's not like it's any different from the flightmodels of any other recent battlefield game. Like in bf1 the big bombers were super manuverable and the tanks were like RC cars
Dude that thing could take part in a STOL competition
Im honestly more concerned by the horrid Garand reload
4:55 inverse drop bombing... this remember me the BF2. In BF1942 that was suicide, bombs explode when touch the plane if you are down of them. B17 bombs don't damage buildings, but tnt yes. Oh... what you do to that game EA !? #F
the flying physics looking very off, like you can fly sideways ..
Can you try the stuka ? I wanna see if they have the jerichos trumpets
Also making sharp turns at increased speeds could snap the wings off
Those 50.Cals on the sides of the plane feel likes MG34s
The sound effects are really nice tho
I loved this plane in the original. Very deadly to infantry but not so much to armored vehicles
alright but what was that 1:27
ammo says one , but there is a whole damn clip, or whatever it is called
I love the design but a plane essentially going straight up as soon as it leaves the runaway is pretty farfetched, even for modern planes.
End of 2021, no breakable glass, no working avionics.
I'm new to bf and is this kind of plane physics normal?
Pretty much, if you’re coming over from more realistic titles like War Thunder or IL2 then the BF physics may be a bit of a shocker but it’s important to understand the airplanes in any game need to handle in proportion to the size of the map. Realistic titles like War Thunder and IL2 have maps large enough where they can realistically duplicate flight models whilst still giving players room to play around the map. The BF maps are much smaller in comparison so the planes in this game will maneuver like arcade type games so that these planes can have room to play.
Speed is also scaled to make these maps feel large too.
Battlefield games are arcade type games. Very little realism
Disappointment how
Weak bombs. A bomber is remembered for two things, their survivability and their destructive power. This B17 will be quite survivable with a full crew on comms but those bombs are incredibly underpowered.
A useless bomber that's just robbed the team of 6 players.
@@flyus747 i havent played the game yet. but are u sure those r the only bombs available? like are there different bombs like we had in bf1/v?
@@ajzjjdnejwjsids2424 negative, in the customization menu (not featured in the video), you will see that only the 8x500 option is equipped, it cannot be unequipped.
That's a bummer. Definitely should have twice as much 500 pounders or same amount with 1000 or 750 lbs
@@flyus747 But it's based on how it performed in 1942 and IIRC it wasn't some super powerful bomber in that game. The bombs are really good against soldiers and I've racked up a lot of kills in it. Survivability is pretty good too as few people come after you and you can hot-swap to the rear gunner and quickly take a tail out. Done it multiple times
Why is the mini map icon a jet?
You can adjust where bombs will fall?!
Only real OGs know that your supposed to crawl on the wing with your entire team, then stand up to paradrop over the enemy base.
Did't know there even were bombers like these in the game
How did you get the bomb reticule to work and actually hit targets? It always seems to be off for me. I saw that you somehow locked it on to the target. How did you do that?
I don’t think he marked it i’m pretty sure if you hold the trigger it watches where the bombs will drop.
Huh, i thought it was a long range bomber. Not a dive bomber. You learn something new everyday
1380 PS sind zwar sehr beachtlich, dennoch 16 Tonnen nach 20 Meter vertikal wie eine Rakete nach oben zu schießen ist mehr als unrealistisch. Klar ist ein Spiel, aber BF war unter den "shootern" meist der realistische von allen. Also etwas bessere Physik wäre nicht schlecht
Thing is more mobile than most ground attack fighters