Here’s the latest episode of the Battle of Britain. It’s fucking good. Trust me nebula.app/videos/realengineering-battle-of-britain-ep-3-the-dowding-system
Why did your prelude about the fall of Poland at the start of WWII fail to mention that Poland was invaded by not just the Germans but also in the east by the Soviets? Kinda a HUGE oversight for what tries to pass itself off as a serious history channel!
I don't expect from engineers to be useful idiots in charge of Rotschild's interests. WRT the "tyrant that has invaded peaceful, democratic nation", what was he supposed to do about this ? ruclips.net/video/KfaAyiP8Wuc/видео.html
The NLAW is what is getting used over there... Almost no one has the Javelin, it's too expensive. The NLAW is only like $40k each, and they are giving them out to anyone who can learn how to push a button.
The fact that Texas Instruments who came up with the Javelin ATGM, the same company who makes calculator, measuring devices and others, shows how a company is capable of creating something outside their fields.
a company who's most notable thing is creating advanced graphing and measuring systems being able to use those to make an advanced tracking system is almost logical until you notice that it's a fucking anti-tank missile.
Whats even funnier is that the A10 gatling gun was made by *GENERAL ELECTRONIC* A FUCKING COMPANY THAT MAKES WASHING MACHINES so yea I love American companies
Actually, I believe TI made the first cpu, and they still make electronic components. (For those who say it’s Intel, Intel made the first commercially available one, but they were beat a few years earlier by a U.S. military contract)
I recommend the new book Chip Wars which shows how huge TI was in development of semiconductors at the earliest stages. Though their Wikipedia page probably covers this too. But I had no idea TI’s history until a couple years ago.
Slight correction. Anti-tank rifle wz. 35 was most often equipped with cartridges that were not to penetrate the armor, but by kinetic energy to tear off its pieces on the inside, creating shrapnel that would injure or kill the crew. The whole thing was kept strictly secret, which is why the soldiers of the Polish army were usually not aware of how such a shell can be used. They fired at the enemy vehicle even five times, and this vehicle continued to move, although after the second shot, the crew was probably dead or seriously injured.
The first time I heard about the Javelin was in Battlefield 3, where I thought its functions were made up or at least exaggerated for the sake of gameplay. It was hard to believe that a man-portable weapon could have such advanced tracking capabilities.
From what I understand the Javelin can also take down a chopper in direct-mode. It's doesn't work in top-down mode because the blades of the chopper confuse the tracker.
So why Russia doesn't put some rotating blades over the tanks instead of cages that apparently don't work? It doesn't need to be big and heavy and complicated like helicopter blades.
I imagine the software could be easily updated with a Bottom->Up setting specifically designed for helicopters. Just a matter of reversing some variables. But that would be redundant since helicopters are so lightly armored, the missile just needs to reach it, doesn't matter where it hits.
My man is correct 👍 all you are, actually lol. So the chopper is not well armored, as a rule. Direct attack is the preferred mode because of the blade, but it’s because the ai in the javelin needs to maintain a good lock on the thermal profile. Top is always best on armor, because that’s thinner then the front. However, no one is making anything thick enough on land that the javelin’s payload can’t defeat 🇺🇸
I was privileged to have fired the prototype of the javelin, its predecessor the blowpipe seemed prehistoric in comparison.., the javelins aiming system is so simplistic in that all you had to do was place the oval circle over the target and press fire and the tracking system done the rest.
@@raymondweaver8526 There is an eye piece that has a computerised image of surroundings and vehicles, just move the cursor via the thumb toggle which moves an oval target, once over it press lock and its locked onto it, press fire and kaboom.
Shaped charges are used extensively in the fields for perforating well casings and rock formations. We used to used them in 20 foot long pipes with 4 per foot connected with primer cord.
@@robertmaybeth3434 No, they are lowered in an oil well to a zone that they want tp produce and they shoot through the casing and fracture the formation for more surface area
one of the highest quality channels on youtube, every video is well edited and researched with great footage and animations backing it up. keep up the good work.
I have two Abrams in my front yard and 3 Apaches in the back. I built 7 flak towers on the roof of my tool shed. I don't think I need to worry about anything, either!
Why does every NLAW fan or Javelin fan have to make these annoying comments like they are 12 years old? It's not a competition. This video probably took him over a month to make, there are plenty of other places to learn about the NLAW. Go take that entitlement elsewhere. Or how about you make a video about the NLAW for all of us instead of selfishly demanding more when he JUST dropped a vid?
@@SuperCatacata you can cry about an innocent wish if you want I guess. Sorry that not everyone is as knowledgeable as you about what resources are already available. He didn’t say that the video had to be made and certainly didn’t say that it had to come out tomorrow. If his comment was annoying to you, you’re doing really well
Good video, there is a fair bit of NLAW mixed in with the Javelin library footage so you shoud you do an NLAW video as well esp as its made in Belfast!
@David O'Shea When i watch us Swedes work, when we really get down to it, i don't think there is a people who ever punch far above it's weight than us.
I think the javelin falls is an an incredible piece of equipment, any piece of equipment that can destroy an expensive target consistently by using less money is incredible
@@HyperactiveNeuron I mean it's still very clear what he's saying. Any weapon that can reliably destroy another weapon magnitudes more expensive is amazing.
Now I'm wondering how the CV on the javelin is able to correlate the target image seen on the ground with the one its taking looking down on the target during a "Top Attack". I would think they would be significantly different. I guess it would be constantly taking new images and comparing them to the past images as it climbs into the air, but its still seriously impressive.
Thats exactly how it works, it keeps taking images and comparing them to prior images. Also uses IR heat signature to "remember" the target. Javelin missiles are expensive because of this optical recognition + IR recognition AI, they are effectively approaching the point of being a kamikaze drone, the Switchblade is basically what the next generation Javelin is, one that can be fired and "parked" until its target is ready.
In addition to what others have said about the image being constantly updated (which is a really big deal), it also mentioned how the missile used infra red. So when we saw in the video that the tank is a black tank-shaped blob on a white background, it's likely that from the top the tank is also a black blob on a white background. This will make the target detection significantly easier for the computer vision algorithms used. This is just my opinion coming from an engineer who has spent a bit of time studying computer vision back in college
@@MrMontanaG I think that’s exactly it, especially since it would take longer to process higher quality images (color images) on the fly like that, so IR would be more effective on both fronts with target identification and accuracy. Also, the video covers this at 8:38
Just remember this is the Javelin we know. The Javelin has been improved 5 times over the years. The US is currently working on the FGM-148 G model. It has significant improvements from the original model. I could see it's development split into a man portable version and a heavier vehicle mounted unit with even greater range with a different form of target acquisition.
11:45 I really appreciate how you note that the footage is skewed to make us feel better. This should be a solem reminder to everyone watching the conflicts that even when all seems "well", the reality of the FULL picture can be anything but.
Indeed. Each side publicises what makes them look good. I’m amazed at how many people react to that knowledge by claiming I’m pushing propaganda for either side. On the contrary, it’s just explaining how propaganda dissemination works. Perhaps they just think I’m trying to hint at some other, more odious, conclusion though, rather than simply trying to educate on how these things work.
True. However, Ukraine has not banned an independent press. It hasn’t made reporting a crime. Ukrainian claims can be fact-checked, confirmed or debunked. Russia has no independently press and reporting the news, even if it’s being published outside of Russia, is a crime. It’s exceedingly difficult and risky to check Russian claims from within Russia or the territories it controls. For this reason, the Ukrainians might exaggerate the truth, but their claims generally don’t depart from it. Russian claims not so much.
I was happy to see the familiar topography of Fort Hunter Liggett, where the Javelin was tested by CDEC in the 90s. I was employed there from 1984-1997, where we tested tactics and weapons systems.
A huge improvement on the Dragon anti-tank missile system we used when I was in the service. It was guided by the operator and took close to 10 seconds to cover a kilometer. Nothing like a back blast of the launch to give away your position, then have to sit there and guide the missile for 8 to 10 seconds while the tank's machine gunners really worked hard to make you flinch!
@@Danish_raven It's similar, but the NLAW appears to be a 'fire and forget' weapon, whereas the dragon missile had to be actively guided by the gunner all the way to the target.
No it didn't, and there's no debris. The smoke created by the first explosion was there too late for the tracking flight computer to do anything, it's already going there. Either that or it's a different type of launcher, that isn't even guided in flight.
Big thankful from Zaporizhzhya city (Ukraine) to American engineers and citizens for Javelin devices. Also becouse of this we still defending our land against russian inviders.
1:36 it's projectile was never meant to penetrate armor, it was made to be soft and release its kinetic energy into armor as quickly as possible, it caused a lot of shrapnel to break off the inside of the armor killing crew, it was very effective, but polish soldiers were not properly trained to use it because government wanted to keep it as secred.
@@Boomchacle my source is that i made it the fuck up jk, the only english source i could find is wikipedia, and it states the same thing as I did en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wz._35_anti-tank_rifle
@@Boomchacle yes, it was very effective against early german designs (mainly panzer I and panzer II) but polish soldiers weren't properly trained (it was secret project before war), they were shooting multiple times at tanks with dead crew, because they thought it didn't penetrate, especially because tanks would often keep driving with dead driver
its called spalling.. the shock wave goes thought the metal and fractures a chunks off the inside open surface. modern tank armor uses multiple layers separated by air gaps and different steel as well as 1" thick Teflon sheets. but a hot plasma jet goes through 30 inches of that like butter... as shown test samples that were displayed in non secret clearance locations in the late 80.s Russia knew this weapon was coming so they experimented with 2 layers of reactive armor but at 10,000 # a layer that really hurts range and speed. Some say the Javelin helped end the cold war..
Quite a bit of the combat footage is actually the NLAW. These missile systems haven't obsoleted tanks, they have only proven that active defense systems need to cover high angles of attack (top attack). The engineering battle between weapons and armour will continue as always.
I was an anti armor team lead and airborne infantryman years ago. My wife and daughter are both polish and I have no reason to believe this was intended to end with Ukraine. Pretty thrilled to see the javelin being used for good.
They’ve already started up the Moldovan “festivities”, although at this point I think it will avail them nothing. It’s strong evidence that they were planning to roll right into Moldova, imho. Unless you think it’s purely transnistrians acting spontaneously, it’s obvious that Russia was preparing for this.
@@MarcosElMalo2 yeah and, I’m bias towards Poland but look how much of a front they’d then have them on. Especially considering Belarus might as well be Russia. I’m sure every single trumped up accusation they made towards Ukraine could be leveled at Poland.
Poland is part of NATO, has nothing to fear. Russia will not go to nuclear war unless the poles force them. Ukraine was forced, they warned, nobody cared, now they acted as they said. US treatment of Russia is the culprit of this due the stupid old warmongers stuck in the cold war when they had to be good to Russia and make it join the west to contain china, not feed their economy. The west has lost already for the stupidity of senile corrupt old idiots.
I am polish and think war is terrible. However, my family lost many friends in ww2 when the ukrainian insurgent army massacred 100 k poles. I do not understand how people can forgive such atrocities so quickly. Stay safe brother.
@@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww sorry to hear that. We’re housing Ukrainian women and children right now in our place near Krakow. I’m certainly privileged as an American but I’ve always viewed humans being awful as a human problem. All the sympathy I’ve seen for Ukraine has come from empathy for the innocents. Hopefully that empathy coupled with a strong military, coupled with good allies keeps everyone safe as power shifts to Asia and the third world.
The Javelin is a great weapon system. Really, the only room for improvement is to continue miniaturizing the electronics and improving the software. Making room so the missile itself can be smaller and a single soldier can carry two or three instead would be a great advantage. Alternatively, making more room for ordinance (higher yield) or propellant (longer range).
@@francisluglio6611 the system needs to be cooled because infrared is produced by heat, so if the lens is hot then it'll produce too much infrared and blind the camera.
Your research for this video was honestly phenomenal. I was planning on adding some information about my experience with the Javelin, but you basically covered everything, all the way from the complex engineering, to the literal buttons on the damn thing and even tactics on using the CLU on its own. I especially appreciate you including the time it takes for the optic to cool down; not because it was incredibly important, but just because it reminded me of testing for my EIB and having to verbalize that step lol.
The fact that the optic needed to cool down, really goes to show just how old this thing was. It was developed in the 80s. THE FUCKING 80s. It used computer vision man. That is honestly fucking impressive. Its always funny seeing America and NATO countries shit themselves over Russian/Chinese shitboxes, despite NATO militaries litterally being the real life "Google-powered Military"
@@somefishhere Expert Infantry Badge. A set of tests over a series of days that cover a wide range of skills required of a infantry soldier. The soldier has to do extremely well (almost perfect) in order to receive the award.
The NLAW anti tank weapon, developed starting year 2002 by the UK and Sweden, is a cheaper but still highly effective device. Compared to the Javelin, the NLAW has a range of only 800 meters and uses a single stage charge, but it costs 20 times less than the Javelin...
I would like to see what the "minimum arming range" and minimum necessary range for sufficient rocket speed is for the NLAW. Saw a recent video of one being fired out of a second story window down at a tank in a street. The NLAW failed, and i'm not sure if it was due to being fired too close, and the weapon not arming, not gaining sufficient speed due to short distance, or was just a bad angle that it hit the tank. Sad state to be watching reaction video's of, but that's where the world is now
@@Agiantpansy I saw same thing. NLAW isn't as good as Javelin which has much longer range and much shorter minimum arming range. NLAW is still an incredible piece of kit though.
A top cage is not going to stop even the dispersed shape-charge, followed by the blast against thin armor and crewmen's skulls. Not to mention all the external modules/weapons being mangled.
To be fair, those cages are designed for urban fighting and to protect against RPG-7s and the like. Why they’d equip their tanks for urban fighting in open fields and against weapons they know the Ukrainians have better counterparts for which make cages obsolete is beyond me, though.
@0:20 easy with the hyperbole there, Scooter. Not only is this not the first invasion, it’s not even the first time the same country invaded part of the same one; Crimea, Georgia.
Personally, I think it's the Stugna-p that has been the biggest ATGM system surprise. While it may not be as mobile as say the NLAW, Stinger or Javelin, it has been used to great success to tear the Russian tanks to shred's.
Honestly it does make sense when we look at it. The stugna p is a heavy weight atgm domestically produced by Ukraine which makes sense as to why they never asked for tow missile and instead asked for lighter stuff like javelins. With that being said I definitely can see the stugna p being a major name on the arms market in the coming future
Stugna is relatively outdated weapon compared to Javelin or NLAW, but it is very reliable and has several advantages to the above mentioned. The launch system and the controls with the operator can (and should) be spaced apart, so the detection of the launch spot by enemy does not directly threatens the operator. Also, it is much cheaper) the cost of the shot is several times cheaper.
Stugna is great, but its operation really lends itself to publicity. So we may get a skewed impression of it's effectiveness compared with NLAW & Javelin.
these intros just keep getting better ^w^ edit: the modeling and animation look so clean edit edit: yes, thank you! I'm really happy you got the bit about the shaped charge right; so many people say it "melts through" the armor, thanks for getting the right info out there :)
@@nikodga5577 Yeh, kinda weird to frame things as good guy vs bad buy when one is invading a sovereign nation and the others government and armed forces are filled with literal neo-nazis.
Hard not to get political with a hitler wannabe disturbing European security. Stay apolitical bro, let the politicians shape the world around you, and then complain once again about things being political.
I feel a “Logistics of Z-Day” coming… it would be a fascinating juxtaposition to a massively successful logistics operation 80 years earlier that was entirely manual and on an immensely greater scale.
This makes Americas logistical capability during Iraq look litterall herculean. America really just flew B-52s NONSTOP from new-orleans to fucking Iraq, and then back again. America litterally had to go against some of their own aircraft and protocols aswell, yet they barely had any friendly fire incidents in comparison to Russia. That was america during the 90s and 2000s. Imagine how Americas logistical capabilities are in 2022. The modern US military is more akin to fucking Amazon and Google, than a conventional army. If my buddy left out the marine corp part of his job, he would sound like an amazon worker to a normal person. Thats honestly impressive how NATO countries conduct modern military operations. Really greatfull we live in a free country where the people leading oru public sector actually have formal education and MBAs and shit, where our citizens openyl criticize our military and politiican. Apparently Russia has no concept of competition or poliitcal opposition. Thats why Putin just disregards Navalny as a "traitor", and not a parner with helpfull criticism.
Spoiler: I heard Russian intel was _so_ convinced they'd be welcomed, that the troops _literally_ only brought supplies for **three** days. That's just unimaginable hubris....!
Thank you so much for these such great videos. You and your team are experts at combing scientific topic with an interesting background story. I love your video! ♥
We used them against IED emplacement teams in the Iraq War. Great weapon system that really came into its own during that particular war. My platoon(Airborne Infantry) would study the recent IED attack maps and formulate an OPORDER. The vehicles would drop us(dismount rifle squad) off in 2-3 SKT’s(small kill teams). We’d infiltrate the rest of the way to the target route on foot. Our teams would spread out on a IED black route with interlocking fields of fire, enabling us to cover a lot of ground with relatively small man power. Some of these routes would have cover and/or defilade on their sides, making direct engagement with small arms difficult. Add in frequency, darkness, weather, etc. and some of these IED emplacement teams became very proficient. The Javelin and its unique capabilities changed all that. When we started targeting them with Javelins it shaped the battlefield conditions in our favor pretty rapidly. They were forced to adapt their tactics and were much less effective as a result. We started inflicting heavy losses upon them, and the IED occurrences and friendly casualties in our AO both declined precipitously. Other friendly units picked up the tactic and also employed it with great success. The Javelin and it’s unique capabilities, particularly top attack, make it the preferred weapon in a myriad of war fighting scenarios, not just in the anti-armor role it was initially designed for. GERONIMO!
Walls didn't go away, they just got smaller. Same happened to tanks and is likely to continue happening to tanks. While not impregnable, it still affords enough protection to be worth having.
Honestly insane knowing how companies that make a lot of the products produce insane weapons of war. Like General Electric for example who built the GAU-8 on the A10. You know the people who build refrigerators.
@@elta6241 There are also countless turrets scattered arout Ukraine remarkably missing their hull... and barrel... and crew. By the nature of HEAT jets, penetration of the armor is not the only metric that will result in a kill, if the jet from an NLAW or javelin hits too much to the sides or rear, it may simply cause superficial or non fatal damage. Especially for the NLAW which does not carry as powerful a warhead, if your crew is lucky it can survive a rocket. yet all it takes is a single good hit. You hit the fuel tanks, and you are looking at a nasty fire in the crew compartment, either resulting in a crew BBQ or a bail. And if you hit the drum auto-loader? Well, then your tank becomes a new candidate in the turret-jumping olymics whenever you want it or not.
1:36 Re: The Polish anti-tank rifle. It's a bit of a disservice to not discuss a very important aspect of any projectile that pierces (or even just comes *close* to piercing) armor: spalling. Spalling is the fragmentation of the back plate of armor when a kinetic projectile pierces it (or even comes close to piercing it). Basically, parts of the armor break off into small, high velocity projectiles. And a lot of them! The projectile doesn't necessarily have to pass all the way through the armor to produce this effect, either. It's the spalling effect that made these weapons effective against tanks; they weren't dependent on "lucky shots to weak points" as the narrative in the video suggests.
Which is why armor has had multiple layers including non-hardened steel, softer metals, or even (today) polymer blankets, since forever. Only a handful of armored vehicles went to the field with armor that is through-hardened and subject to spalling. It's a bit of a disservice to yourself to not read enough.
@@railgap All tanks at the beginning of ww2 had monolytic hardened steel plate armor. Wz 35 AT rifle could knock-out any German panzer it encountered, including Pz.IV. Composite armor, spaced armor and layered armor are children of cold war long after AT rifle as an idea became obsolete floorpizza is right
Every nation has anti tank rifles, the Germans included. They had a rather good one. Nothing special about the Polish gun. The Narrator just wanted a hero. The Germans already had shaped charges fired as rifle grenades (copied by the US). It took another 3 years for shaped charges to get on to Panzerschrek and Panzerfaust but they did make it on to low velociy field guns and recoilless canon.
@@williamzk9083 Yes, narrator wanted a hero and UR fits the story, highlighting similarities and differences between invasions. However I don't agree about "nothing special" part. Up to that point AT rifles relied on brute force to punch through armor - look at most common: T-Gewehr, Boys or PTRD, PTRS. Huge bullet, basically as powerful cannon as soldier can carry. Wz. 35 had different approach. similarly to HESH rounds it wasn't even meant to penetrate an armor. Spalling was actually it's main goal. In the video there are rounds visible. Look at tiny bullet and huge cardridge. That WAS novel. And unique. I totally agree tho on Shape charges being superior, but trust me, in 1939 UR was a formiddable weapon
2:00 "equipped with modern tanks with modern reactive armor" Russia: are you sure about that? (For any1 that doesn't know, there have been found Russian tanks with egg cardboard where the 'modern reactive armor' should be)
Awesome video! Having worked on these in the Marine Corps, I'm happy to see how accurate and in depth you go into the capabilities on this system. Very few, if any, AT systems are more versatile than the Javelin.
I was honestly surprised that a missile is 'only' 78,000. You get so used to insane numbers when discussing military stuff. And it's killing a 4 million dollar tank.
I don't know this for sure, but the tubs are still perfectly in tact after firing, so I would be very surprised if they aren't kept and sent back to the seller for "reloading", or possibly to be melted down and firmed into new units since they are obviously already made of the right material. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some discount for the number of tubes returned to the seller out of the amount initially purchased.
I went to an RAF museum in London. Saw a bunch of missiles used for jet fighters. So much advanced electronic equipment and chips get used to create such an advanced piece of equipment. Only for it to used to fly in the air and self destruct itself 😂.
So glad you covered this. I've been trying to dig into the details of how the Javelin works, and it's either way oversimplified, or over the top technical for me. This is a good balance. One thing I was confused about was how the warhead gauged depth/distance to target, but now it makes sense. The warhead will lock on to the target using the image, then continually update as the angle/altitude of the rocket increases.
@@RealEngineering Wonder when u would criticise a trynant country which spent 244 years at war, killed 1 million Iraqis, Bombed hundreds of thousands of children in Afghanistan for "fun" and invaded so many countries
@@squidwardo7074 Not really, while it is less capable overall it still has some big advantages over the Javelin. But what's interesting is it's downward facing charge for the top attack mode and the incredibly simple semi-guidance system it uses.
Real Engineering already had a viewer for life from me and his outspokeness on the Russian invasion of Ukraine and subsequent donation to a Ukrainian charity is stunning me even more! I'm gonna sign up for Nebula right now fr
US: "we made the javelin missile carefully pre-trigger reactive armor to get around modern defenses" Russia: "our reactive armor boxes are actually full of toilet paper but ok"
The logic behind the wz. 35 is to penetrate the armour and hit the crew with the bullet and debris generated by the penetration. 90% + of National Socialist Germany tanks in 1939 were Pzkpfw 1 and 2 they had only +/- 5-17 mm of armour
it didn't even have to penetrate, projectile was made from soft lead, to release as much energy into armor as possible and generate massive amount of shrapnel on the inside
@@eldorados_lost_searcher yes, it would often kill the driver, but without stopping the tank (driver's body would fall on the joysticks) and soldiers were shooting multiple times because they never got proper training with this rifle.
I spent the first year of my working life out of university thinking and mathematically modelling these new weapon system in the late 1970's - I studied and wrote about Whittaker's Distribution, Lanchester Equations, HESH & SHAPE heads, MFK kills, Milan, Swingfire and more as I thought about Red crossing the Rhine and how to stop them. Great to see this weapon description updated and a discussion about its deployment.
Should have spent some time studying how to stop psychological and financial warfare a bit, then maybe we would have a chance surviving China's assault. Too damn late now! Physical warfare < phycological, but it's easier to just think in terms of blam! blam!
@@capnobvious2718 Thanks for the unsolicited life advice, certainly very perceptive. At the time the Soviets had a huge force and there was a real chance they may cross the Rhine and then stop to redraw the border in West Germany. The NATO plan was how to slow them down, to give politicians time to strategise as we couldn't stop an overrun. Hope that helps Cap'n crystallise your thinking for next round of life advice.
Could you share any more insights into the math behind these types of targeting/guidance systems? Have been interested in it for a while but it’s hard to find good info about it online.
@@user-yd4rn4ez6m I don't think Raytheon & Lockheed Martin will divulge this sensitive information.. besides why would you need this unless you're making one and who's really asking CCP?
@@veclubby knowing the general kind of guidance systems is not sensitive info, our adversaries already know that (and much more). I’m just interested in knowing how stuff works tbh, esp as an aero engineering student.
If you're going to talk about the javelin don't show the Swedish NLAW constantly, it's a bit misinforming. And Ukrainian soldiers from the ground use the NLAW more because the Javelin is for more concealed far away tanks where as the NLAW is easy to use and very fast and can shoot at anything within 500 meters.
you guys gotta do one for the starstreak missile, it's seem like an pretty complicated weapon and maybe even more so that the Javelin, hope you guys work on the starstreak.
This channel quality is just above anything you can find in TV or even conventional streaming platforms... I can't believe they do it with many times less Budget 😍 You have my support
Actually, the cages placed atop the russian tanks are completely ineffective against top attack munitions. The russians are perfectly aware of this, too. These cages aren't supposed to protect against Javelins, either. Their actual purpose is to protect against older single stage weapons such as RPGs, which you might have an infantryman fire down on you in urban combat.
@@agentham Wikipedia has a pretty good article about shaped charges. Even have some lists of which metals (for that interior sheet bit) are the most effective against which materials.
I never got to fire a Javelin but I did fire various other RPGs and AT missiles, guided and otherwise. The Milan was probably the best of those but it was a right pain in the back to transport around - literally. But not as horrible as the TOW2 - bolting one to the back of a pickup/ute was a good solution as you could sit in the back to fire it. Thankfully it's way more portable now. I'd have loved to be able to use something as lightweight, and extremely effective, as a Javelin.
Everybody keeps going on-and-on about the Javelin being a "top-attack" weapon. Well, it isn't. It is a plunging attack weapon and it aims to strike tanks at the shadow-line of turret and vehicle body so as to directly penetrate the upper plate of the vehicle ignoring the turret all together. This has roughly the same effect as intentional plunging fire in WW2 Battleship engagements, even on a "failed" hit it can do damage to disable or destroy the turret's ability to operate. (Even if the reactive armor works perfectly) The Javelin almost invariably hits the lower side of the turret or just under the edge of the turret and the explosion's detonation of the ammunition and fuel in the tank will rip the turret off on the Russian model tanks. The angle at which the Javelin comes towards the target in final attack would be less effective (shade of very light grey less) against the top of the turrets as the auto-loading system would take the brunt of the blasts and the chance of secondary chained detonation in the tanks would be lower. (the human bodies also being effectively highly ablative wet sandbags) The NLAW is a top attack weapon. There's a common theme that not even an Abrams tank would survive a Javelin and the truth is Abrams HAVE survived Javelins when said was tested. Since the aim point is edge of turret and the Abrams' turret is MUCH wider the missile either goes through the side upper skirting over the tracks or strikes largely non-lethal blows glancing off the turret sides, hitting the ammunition storage on the bustle or punching a hole to one or the other side of the driver. It took 3 NLAW to get a penetration on the top of the simulated M1A2 turret. The NLAW is a very different creature. It is blind and inertia guided, it has a very short distance-to-armed after launching - as seen in the tank ambush video - and the nose-cone is radar/radio dampening. There are some videos that incorrectly attribute RPG18 firing to NLAW launches, most specifically the shot fired from a window down onto the turret of a tank was an RPG18 and too short a distance to actually arm. The RPG18 look like a classic LAW Rocket with the pull-out tube and flip up sights. Most explosive missile vehicle kills in Ukraine right now are RPG-18 hits.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
WTF are you jabbering on about?! Could you possibly be talking about this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional%E2%80%93integral%E2%80%93derivative_controller. For the life of me, I'm having trouble deciphering this train wreck of logical reasoning.
first we saw it in Modern Warfare. It was so different with its basic green crt style display from any game rpg, it had to be real. As someone who had read all of Clancy's mainline Jack Ryan novels and his non-fic books I was surprised I'd never heard of it. Then it was shown off on the discovery networks military industrial complex infomercial show Future Weapons. Cool to see a detailed breakdown of how clever its design is.
Thank you for sharing all this information in such a neat package! Now I can learn about very cool weapons without getting put on a terror watch list or whatever.
You will never be put on any kind of list watching youtube videos, RUclips takes sole responsibility for all content posted, If anyone is put on a F.B.I list it would be RUclips not you.
@@thefreelancer1645 Why would RUclips take responsibility for such content? It seems counterintuitive for someone to accept responsibility instead of attempting to lessen it
@@gabedarrett1301 Because it's thier site. If I open a store that sold books about terrorism or other illegal subjects, The people looking at my books thu the window wouldn't get arrested, I would. Same concept. Hope that cleared things up for you a bit.
Great video, surprisingly well researched for a non military oriented channel. I have one issue however. The slat armor on the roofs of Russian tanks can't protect against top attack ATGMs (too large caliber, different fuse and so on, many reasons) or overfly top attack missiles like the NLAW, because they can just fly below the "cope cage" and still do their job. Slat armor can't protect from ATGMs in general (for reasons listed in the bracket above - warhead diameter, fuse type etc.). It was made to counter single stage RPG warheads and, in the case of Russian "roof slat armor" (although that's just an educated guess), loitering munitions - that is a threat that attacks from the top and usually has a weaker warhead.
@@jameson1239 Might be, although if the hatches are closed, you're not destroying a tank with a Molotov to the turret. Destroying a modern tank with a Molotov is in general very hard, borderline impossible.
I first heard and used this weapon in COD4 and was amazed what it could do. Lock on the enemy tank on a overpass, fire, and the rocket goes up then straight down on top of the tank. Absolutely a great scene
Swap "seeker" with "missile". Javelin is a missile, not just a seeker. (The "seeker" is only the guidance package.) "HEAT" and "shaped charge" are interchangeable verbiage.
*1:17* just fyi, "high-powered" for a rifle refers solely to whether the cartridge has a bottle-neck. It sounds like you are using it to refer to something else.
Overstated, “it cannot be overstated “. I think that’s what you want to say. To understate something means to diminish it in its importance. To overstate something means to make it bigger than it really is.
Nice video! Looking forward to the next one on Stuhna-P! Which btw despite being anti-tank system is effective not only against tanks but helicopters as well. At least two russian helicopters where hit by the Stuhna-P by now
Correction/nitpick: You use the phrase “X cannot be understated”. What you mean to say is “X cannot be OVERSTATED”, meaning X is so important that no matter how much you emphasize it, it will not be an over-reaction. Alternatively, you could say “it MUST NOT be understated”. Cannot is a description, must not is an instruction/injunction.
I was an infantryman in the U.S. Army and I handled the Javelin in my team. I remember one mission at 3-4am, when it was pitch dark, a team of 5 (me, probably E2 or E3 at the time, my team leader(E5), the platoon leader (1st lieutenant), the RTO, and a medic), our mission was to climb over two rocky hills to set up the javelin on a strategic point so we can take out enemy’s vehicles like tank, helicopter or Toyota lol. We were dismounted at a location, before we head out, my platoon sergeant(E7) threw the fucking command launch unit that was in a bag out of the Bradley and it hits hard on the ground. We were in full battle rattles and I had to carry the javelin and my weapon, so we ended up taking turns on carrying it. The LT and our team leader, who has combat experiences and was previously in the 10th mountain division, argued about which route to take, so we went with the LT route because well, he was the officer. After sliding down a 10ft hills and many sprained ankles, we finally made it to the top of a hill. Took out the command launch unit and connect it to the javelin, and the trigger on the CLU was already broken. We couldn’t do shit, so we waited, got the order and walked back down those stupid hills and left with our ride. I ended up paying for the broken CLU because I was responsible for it, I remember it was a few hundreds dollars and it’s a big chunk out of my paycheck because I was just a private. Til this day I still believe that son of a bitch platoon sergeant broke it when he threw that shit out. I hope covid got him.
One thing I would've added to this video just for the shock/comedy factor would be that the company that makes the Javelin is Texas Instruments... As in, the same company that makes the TI-83 & TI-84 Calculators that are mandated by most middle/high school advanced math classes in the US. It's just funny to think that a company sells both essential educational tools to children/young adults, as well as ridiculously advanced and effective military weaponry to countries all over the world 😆😂
Everyone hated on us asking why we are so obsessed with war, and who we are going to fight. Judging our military complex for its constant preparation, and yet when worst comes to worst the oppressed turn to America for the help they need. Hopefully this conflic opens people's eyes to why it so important to be ready for any and everything.
They said the same thing about NATO at times, about how it was no longer needed because the USSR is not around anymore. Those same people now scream for NATO membership for vulnerable countries.
Hello! Just to mention, the metal cages being placed on top of Russian tanks to defend against top-down attacks is NOT effective against the Javelin. It simply has too much explosive power, and the Russians most likely know this. The cages are a defense against older-age rockets, such as the RPG, which are also heavily in use in the Ukrainian conflict. While your statement isn't "wrong", it doesn't really make sense in the video about Javelins.
No the comment was wrong. Those cages have absolutely nothing to do with Javelins. Just like a lot of what they said was wrong. The javelin isn't nearly as successful as they're making it out to be. Russian invaded Ukraine with roughly 20,000 armored vehicles at the beginning of the war. Ukraine received 7,000 javelins. And yet most of those 20,000 vehicles survived the initial invasion and all of those Javelins have pretty much been used or found on dead Ukrainians. So the narrative doesn't really add up. This is just a commercial for a weapon system and Western propaganda.
@@Deno2100 So you are forgetting that Russia has lost 1077 tanks 2610 APV(Armored Personal Vehicles) 1867 vehicles and fuel tanks in terms of ground vehicle loss? most of which have been a combination of javelins, NLAW's, and stugnas? or the fact that the javelins you see on the tiktok battalion literally dont even have a fucking CLU, the main part of the javelin?
@@Bacteriophagebs I don't know what you're implying. I did watch up to that point I just watched it again and he literally said nothing that reputates what I just said.
"The importance of ____ cannot be understated" means that ____ is very UNimportant. I think the phrase the narrator is looking for is "The importance of _____ cannot be OVERstated."
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Here’s the latest episode of the Battle of Britain. It’s fucking good. Trust me nebula.app/videos/realengineering-battle-of-britain-ep-3-the-dowding-system
*I wonder how you feel aboth Palestine*
All these engineering channels repeating the same script.
Why did your prelude about the fall of Poland at the start of WWII fail to mention that Poland was invaded by not just the Germans but also in the east by the Soviets?
Kinda a HUGE oversight for what tries to pass itself off as a serious history channel!
@@johnbuchman4854 yes
I don't expect from engineers to be useful idiots in charge of Rotschild's interests.
WRT the "tyrant that has invaded peaceful, democratic nation", what was he supposed to do about this ?
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best weapon for home defense 11/10 would buy again
Buy the home again?
Why don't you earthlings just use an electromagnetic rail machine gun.
Ca state lawmakers stay hating
Nahh , 9/11 is still at its best
@@r1a150 😳
I would be interested in a similar video about the stinger.
Or starstreak
The NLAW is what is getting used over there... Almost no one has the Javelin, it's too expensive. The NLAW is only like $40k each, and they are giving them out to anyone who can learn how to push a button.
Someone already made a video on it along with other anti-tank weapon form the javelin ruclips.net/video/qdN06oi-XjI/видео.html
@@calholli From videos Stugna-P seems to be the most popular by a mile.
@@calholli But the nlaw is Swedish-British, not American
As someone who has carried one up a few mountains, i would refrain from calling the jav “lightweight”
Truer words were never spoken.
i mean it still is not as heavy as a vehicle meant to counter tanks, and can be carried by a human
"Weighs just 22 kilograms"
@@4thelolz yes, and your average AT cannon would weigh 100+, average tank 500+.
lightweight is a relative term used here
The fact that Texas Instruments who came up with the Javelin ATGM, the same company who makes calculator, measuring devices and others, shows how a company is capable of creating something outside their fields.
a company who's most notable thing is creating advanced graphing and measuring systems being able to use those to make an advanced tracking system is almost logical until you notice that it's a fucking anti-tank missile.
Whats even funnier is that the A10 gatling gun was made by *GENERAL ELECTRONIC* A FUCKING COMPANY THAT MAKES WASHING MACHINES so yea I love American companies
Actually, I believe TI made the first cpu, and they still make electronic components.
(For those who say it’s Intel, Intel made the first commercially available one, but they were beat a few years earlier by a U.S. military contract)
I recommend the new book Chip Wars which shows how huge TI was in development of semiconductors at the earliest stages. Though their Wikipedia page probably covers this too. But I had no idea TI’s history until a couple years ago.
Texas Instruments is also the place where the guy who founded TSMC also took his first steps to understanding semiconductors.
This video has so much information about the operation of the Javelin that I almost feel like I need a security clearance to keep watching.
I believe everything is publicly available in promo materials for the weapon.
The fact that this is what's publicly available really makes me wonder what's still locked behind closed doors!
@@leonhill8447 It's the boring stuff. How much it can penetrate. What weakneses it has.
@@hene193 Yeah you're right. However, I'm sure the guidance software is classified too, and certainly not boring.
HI KB!
Slight correction. Anti-tank rifle wz. 35 was most often equipped with cartridges that were not to penetrate the armor, but by kinetic energy to tear off its pieces on the inside, creating shrapnel that would injure or kill the crew. The whole thing was kept strictly secret, which is why the soldiers of the Polish army were usually not aware of how such a shell can be used. They fired at the enemy vehicle even five times, and this vehicle continued to move, although after the second shot, the crew was probably dead or seriously injured.
I am glad someone knows this
The name for the process of the metal violently shedding parts of itself into nearby crew and machine is called spalling.
Why is it kept secret from the infantry themselves? To make them doubt they're in fact success and keep firing at the enemy?
@@grdprojekt my idea is, so the soldiers themselfes wouldnt be able to tell anyone whats actually going on so it stays a secret
@@grdprojekt Exactly what I was wondering.
The first time I heard about the Javelin was in Battlefield 3, where I thought its functions were made up or at least exaggerated for the sake of gameplay. It was hard to believe that a man-portable weapon could have such advanced tracking capabilities.
Often times, reality is stranger than fiction.
It's practically the same with all IR trackers since the 50s. Point the seeker at an IR source, cool it, then fire.
especially from 1996!
Knew it from CODMW. 14 year old me can't believe that a rocket can go upwards and straight downwards to Al-Assad's T72s unlike RPG.
I was introduced by MW2's campaign
It's a shame RUclips is pushing brilliant content like this off its site, just because it happens to be about weapon systems.
it's not really put off, just demonetized (which is bad, of course, considering doing theses videos cost money)
Better off being a purple haired trans teacher bragging about gr00ming kids….
@@LaurentLaborde which, in turn, pushes it off of the site because demonetized content is deprioritized by the algorithm
4.5 million views
Yeah it's really being "pushed" off the site.
Almost 5 million views and I got this video in my recommendations. Quit with the drama.
From what I understand the Javelin can also take down a chopper in direct-mode. It's doesn't work in top-down mode because the blades of the chopper confuse the tracker.
So why Russia doesn't put some rotating blades over the tanks instead of cages that apparently don't work? It doesn't need to be big and heavy and complicated like helicopter blades.
@@djprojectus Because they're dumb?
It does not need to do top down on a chopper, because all areas are weak. Armour is too heavy.
I imagine the software could be easily updated with a Bottom->Up setting specifically designed for helicopters. Just a matter of reversing some variables. But that would be redundant since helicopters are so lightly armored, the missile just needs to reach it, doesn't matter where it hits.
My man is correct 👍 all you are, actually lol. So the chopper is not well armored, as a rule. Direct attack is the preferred mode because of the blade, but it’s because the ai in the javelin needs to maintain a good lock on the thermal profile. Top is always best on armor, because that’s thinner then the front. However, no one is making anything thick enough on land that the javelin’s payload can’t defeat 🇺🇸
I was privileged to have fired the prototype of the javelin, its predecessor the blowpipe seemed prehistoric in comparison.., the javelins aiming system is so simplistic in that all you had to do was place the oval circle over the target and press fire and the tracking system done the rest.
Nice. You spent 150 grand for.... what purpose?
@@capnobvious2718 I am guessing you dont get invited to many parties?
@@formhubfar wait a minute, that's his job
Is there a scope?
@@raymondweaver8526 There is an eye piece that has a computerised image of surroundings and vehicles, just move the cursor via the thumb toggle which moves an oval target, once over it press lock and its locked onto it, press fire and kaboom.
Shaped charges are used extensively in the fields for perforating well casings and rock formations. We used to used them in 20 foot long pipes with 4 per foot connected with primer cord.
yeah, HEGS are a PITA and Enerjet are too ;)
Isn't that almost the same thing as a bangalore torpedo?
@@robertmaybeth3434 Just what I was thinking.
@@robertmaybeth3434 No, they are lowered in an oil well to a zone that they want tp produce and they shoot through the casing and fracture the formation for more surface area
@@robertmaybeth3434 No, bangalores are more or less just tubes full of plastique to blow out barbed wire.
one of the highest quality channels on youtube, every video is well edited and researched with great footage and animations backing it up. keep up the good work.
Javelin turned Rushins' into a joke🤭
I’ve had the javelin as my daily carry for a few years now 10/10 never felt so secure
I have two Abrams in my front yard and 3 Apaches in the back. I built 7 flak towers on the roof of my tool shed. I don't think I need to worry about anything, either!
I have the same feeling since the day the Lord Jesus found me.
Thank you men for the service, nothing more honorable than our masculine duty. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think you're mistaking the javelin for a personal firearm. This is an antitank weapon. It's not an EDC piece of equipment.
@@Cheka__ no shit🤦♂️🤣
With the Javelin now being discussed here, hope that the NLAW is the next one to be shown.
Why does every NLAW fan or Javelin fan have to make these annoying comments like they are 12 years old? It's not a competition.
This video probably took him over a month to make, there are plenty of other places to learn about the NLAW.
Go take that entitlement elsewhere. Or how about you make a video about the NLAW for all of us instead of selfishly demanding more when he JUST dropped a vid?
@@SuperCatacata you can cry about an innocent wish if you want I guess. Sorry that not everyone is as knowledgeable as you about what resources are already available. He didn’t say that the video had to be made and certainly didn’t say that it had to come out tomorrow. If his comment was annoying to you, you’re doing really well
@@SuperCatacata perhaps in anticipation of you making annoying comments?
Yes!
@@SuperCatacata What kind of person gets that upset over such an innocent comment. It's not that serious, not even 12 year olds act like you.
Good video, there is a fair bit of NLAW mixed in with the Javelin library footage so you shoud you do an NLAW video as well esp as its made in Belfast!
NLAW is Javelin but cheaper.
And does the same job.
@@davidty2006 nlaw has shorter range and is one shot only.
@@samuelzackrisson8865 That is why it's cheaper...
@David O'Shea It was a joint UK Swedish venture.
@David O'Shea When i watch us Swedes work, when we really get down to it, i don't think there is a people who ever punch far above it's weight than us.
I think the javelin falls is an an incredible piece of equipment, any piece of equipment that can destroy an expensive target consistently by using less money is incredible
a pebble
Umm what?
Clear, complete sentences please
@@HyperactiveNeuron I mean it's still very clear what he's saying. Any weapon that can reliably destroy another weapon magnitudes more expensive is amazing.
@@HyperactiveNeuron Use, common, sense, please. Just, read,.!
Now I'm wondering how the CV on the javelin is able to correlate the target image seen on the ground with the one its taking looking down on the target during a "Top Attack". I would think they would be significantly different. I guess it would be constantly taking new images and comparing them to the past images as it climbs into the air, but its still seriously impressive.
I think you're exactly right. Usually that's how the concept of "locking on" works. You have to keep looking at it continuously for that exact reason.
The seeker would also have to be gimbled to still sight the target in the climb out phase for a top down attack.
Thats exactly how it works, it keeps taking images and comparing them to prior images. Also uses IR heat signature to "remember" the target. Javelin missiles are expensive because of this optical recognition + IR recognition AI, they are effectively approaching the point of being a kamikaze drone, the Switchblade is basically what the next generation Javelin is, one that can be fired and "parked" until its target is ready.
In addition to what others have said about the image being constantly updated (which is a really big deal), it also mentioned how the missile used infra red. So when we saw in the video that the tank is a black tank-shaped blob on a white background, it's likely that from the top the tank is also a black blob on a white background. This will make the target detection significantly easier for the computer vision algorithms used. This is just my opinion coming from an engineer who has spent a bit of time studying computer vision back in college
@@MrMontanaG I think that’s exactly it, especially since it would take longer to process higher quality images (color images) on the fly like that, so IR would be more effective on both fronts with target identification and accuracy. Also, the video covers this at 8:38
Thank you. I didn't realise how advanced these weapons were.
The price tag matches.
@@samsonsoturian6013 I had assumed as much.
@@samsonsoturian6013 I think the tech is still worth more. Russia couldn’t mass produce the javelin even if the knew all the secrets
@@samsonsoturian6013 doesn't matter as long as what it destroys is far more expensive.
Just remember this is the Javelin we know.
The Javelin has been improved 5 times over the years.
The US is currently working on the FGM-148 G model.
It has significant improvements from the original model.
I could see it's development split into a man portable version and a heavier vehicle mounted unit with even greater range with a different form of target acquisition.
11:45 I really appreciate how you note that the footage is skewed to make us feel better. This should be a solem reminder to everyone watching the conflicts that even when all seems "well", the reality of the FULL picture can be anything but.
The first casualty of war is truth. It is hard to piece together what really happened even after all fighting has stopped
The biased footage is just because most footage is provided by Ukrainian side, who do not publish what is bad for their morale.
Indeed. Each side publicises what makes them look good. I’m amazed at how many people react to that knowledge by claiming I’m pushing propaganda for either side. On the contrary, it’s just explaining how propaganda dissemination works. Perhaps they just think I’m trying to hint at some other, more odious, conclusion though, rather than simply trying to educate on how these things work.
Blood guts and wasted human potential. So sad.
True. However, Ukraine has not banned an independent press. It hasn’t made reporting a crime. Ukrainian claims can be fact-checked, confirmed or debunked. Russia has no independently press and reporting the news, even if it’s being published outside of Russia, is a crime. It’s exceedingly difficult and risky to check Russian claims from within Russia or the territories it controls.
For this reason, the Ukrainians might exaggerate the truth, but their claims generally don’t depart from it. Russian claims not so much.
I was happy to see the familiar topography of Fort Hunter Liggett, where the Javelin was tested by CDEC in the 90s. I was employed there from 1984-1997, where we tested tactics and weapons systems.
A huge improvement on the Dragon anti-tank missile system we used when I was in the service. It was guided by the operator and took close to 10 seconds to cover a kilometer. Nothing like a back blast of the launch to give away your position, then have to sit there and guide the missile for 8 to 10 seconds while the tank's machine gunners really worked hard to make you flinch!
wouldnt the NLAW be the modern version of the Dragon?
@@Danish_raven it's very similar to the javelin
@@Danish_raven It's similar, but the NLAW appears to be a 'fire and forget' weapon, whereas the dragon missile had to be actively guided by the gunner all the way to the target.
@@Danish_ravenm47 dragon is like the stinger on cod where u gotta manually guide till impact
Steered by explosives too, just in case one explosion wasn’t enough to give away the operator lol
8:09 Did the missile redirect to go around the debris of the first explosion? That's impressive!
No it didn't, and there's no debris. The smoke created by the first explosion was there too late for the tracking flight computer to do anything, it's already going there. Either that or it's a different type of launcher, that isn't even guided in flight.
Listen once again. Just a few seconds later after your timestamp, it's answered for you. 8:24 - 8:51
No those are NLAWS, which are not guided in flight
@@rr24 I did hear that, thanks. I typically leave my comments as I watch and don't edit them just for conversation.
I got goosebumps
Big thankful from Zaporizhzhya city (Ukraine) to American engineers and citizens for Javelin devices. Also becouse of this we still defending our land against russian inviders.
how's it going?
1:36 it's projectile was never meant to penetrate armor, it was made to be soft and release its kinetic energy into armor as quickly as possible, it caused a lot of shrapnel to break off the inside of the armor killing crew, it was very effective, but polish soldiers were not properly trained to use it because government wanted to keep it as secred.
source?
@@Boomchacle my source is that i made it the fuck up
jk, the only english source i could find is wikipedia, and it states the same thing as I did
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wz._35_anti-tank_rifle
@@tubaeseries5705 So it sort of hole punched out a 20 mm slug of the armor which then does damage? Interesting.
@@Boomchacle yes, it was very effective against early german designs (mainly panzer I and panzer II) but polish soldiers weren't properly trained (it was secret project before war), they were shooting multiple times at tanks with dead crew, because they thought it didn't penetrate, especially because tanks would often keep driving with dead driver
its called spalling.. the shock wave goes thought the metal and fractures a chunks off the inside open surface. modern tank armor uses multiple layers separated by air gaps and different steel as well as 1" thick Teflon sheets. but a hot plasma jet goes through 30 inches of that like butter... as shown test samples that were displayed in non secret clearance locations in the late 80.s Russia knew this weapon was coming so they experimented with 2 layers of reactive armor but at 10,000 # a layer that really hurts range and speed. Some say the Javelin helped end the cold war..
Quite a bit of the combat footage is actually the NLAW. These missile systems haven't obsoleted tanks, they have only proven that active defense systems need to cover high angles of attack (top attack). The engineering battle between weapons and armour will continue as always.
My mind was blown to find out there was such a thing as armor that detonates itself.
@@jjbarajas5341 If you want some more interesting facts, the story of how reactive armour was conceived is a good one.
True, as hard a time as tanks have in Ukraine they are the only viable tool for an offensive.
All that armor and fancy aps still won't protect against the very cheap and effective anti tank mine
The work and tone put into this video was top notch. Seriously one of the best channels on RUclips
Thats some seriously clever engineering gone into this system! Hence why it cost so much. But still better than the cost of a tank!
At last some non-polish video creator stated that in '39 it wasn't just nazis who attacked Poland but also soviet russia. Keep up the good work
I was an anti armor team lead and airborne infantryman years ago. My wife and daughter are both polish and I have no reason to believe this was intended to end with Ukraine. Pretty thrilled to see the javelin being used for good.
They’ve already started up the Moldovan “festivities”, although at this point I think it will avail them nothing. It’s strong evidence that they were planning to roll right into Moldova, imho. Unless you think it’s purely transnistrians acting spontaneously, it’s obvious that Russia was preparing for this.
@@MarcosElMalo2 yeah and, I’m bias towards Poland but look how much of a front they’d then have them on. Especially considering Belarus might as well be Russia. I’m sure every single trumped up accusation they made towards Ukraine could be leveled at Poland.
Poland is part of NATO, has nothing to fear. Russia will not go to nuclear war unless the poles force them.
Ukraine was forced, they warned, nobody cared, now they acted as they said. US treatment of Russia is the culprit of this due the stupid old warmongers stuck in the cold war when they had to be good to Russia and make it join the west to contain china, not feed their economy. The west has lost already for the stupidity of senile corrupt old idiots.
I am polish and think war is terrible. However, my family lost many friends in ww2 when the ukrainian insurgent army massacred 100 k poles. I do not understand how people can forgive such atrocities so quickly. Stay safe brother.
@@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww sorry to hear that. We’re housing Ukrainian women and children right now in our place near Krakow. I’m certainly privileged as an American but I’ve always viewed humans being awful as a human problem. All the sympathy I’ve seen for Ukraine has come from empathy for the innocents. Hopefully that empathy coupled with a strong military, coupled with good allies keeps everyone safe as power shifts to Asia and the third world.
The Javelin is a great weapon system. Really, the only room for improvement is to continue miniaturizing the electronics and improving the software. Making room so the missile itself can be smaller and a single soldier can carry two or three instead would be a great advantage. Alternatively, making more room for ordinance (higher yield) or propellant (longer range).
Having to wait for around 3 minutes for it to cooldown before it can be fired, also seems like something they should try and improve upon.
@@TecraX2 I wish the video explained why that would need to happen
@@francisluglio6611 the system needs to be cooled because infrared is produced by heat, so if the lens is hot then it'll produce too much infrared and blind the camera.
@@person8064 thanks. That makes sense.
@@christinalaw3375 Multi warhead? Pfft. But can it make me a sandwich? 😆
Man, this is an EXCELLENT Javelin introductory course
Your research for this video was honestly phenomenal. I was planning on adding some information about my experience with the Javelin, but you basically covered everything, all the way from the complex engineering, to the literal buttons on the damn thing and even tactics on using the CLU on its own. I especially appreciate you including the time it takes for the optic to cool down; not because it was incredibly important, but just because it reminded me of testing for my EIB and having to verbalize that step lol.
What is EIB
The fact that the optic needed to cool down, really goes to show just how old this thing was.
It was developed in the 80s. THE FUCKING 80s.
It used computer vision man. That is honestly fucking impressive.
Its always funny seeing America and NATO countries shit themselves over Russian/Chinese shitboxes, despite NATO militaries litterally being the real life "Google-powered Military"
@@somefishhere Expert Infantry Badge. A set of tests over a series of days that cover a wide range of skills required of a infantry soldier. The soldier has to do extremely well (almost perfect) in order to receive the award.
So how did you do on your EIB testing?
@@bbowling4979 Well I wear it on my chest now, so
The NLAW anti tank weapon, developed starting year 2002 by the UK and Sweden, is a cheaper but still highly effective device. Compared to the Javelin, the NLAW has a range of only 800 meters and uses a single stage charge, but it costs 20 times less than the Javelin...
I would like to see what the "minimum arming range" and minimum necessary range for sufficient rocket speed is for the NLAW. Saw a recent video of one being fired out of a second story window down at a tank in a street. The NLAW failed, and i'm not sure if it was due to being fired too close, and the weapon not arming, not gaining sufficient speed due to short distance, or was just a bad angle that it hit the tank.
Sad state to be watching reaction video's of, but that's where the world is now
@@Agiantpansy I believe the min. range is about 20-25 meters
@@Agiantpansy it arms at a certain distance to protect the user from harming themselves with shrapnel
@@Agiantpansy I saw same thing. NLAW isn't as good as Javelin which has much longer range and much shorter minimum arming range. NLAW is still an incredible piece of kit though.
@@Wallyworld30 not as good, but I’d rather 20 (or however much cheaper they are) NLAWs over 1 javelin.
A top cage is not going to stop even the dispersed shape-charge, followed by the blast against thin armor and crewmen's skulls. Not to mention all the external modules/weapons being mangled.
Cope cages man. Cope cages.
To be fair, those cages are designed for urban fighting and to protect against RPG-7s and the like.
Why they’d equip their tanks for urban fighting in open fields and against weapons they know the Ukrainians have better counterparts for which make cages obsolete is beyond me, though.
@@hueghh3775 Like I said, cope cages. It gives them a false sense of security. Mainly for morale for tank/vehicle crews.
Not to mention unprotected rounds under the turret for the auto loader aka the Popov Mechanism.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Not too many people seem to have gotten what Popov Mechanism was refering to. Nice to see them in real time almost.
Officer: "Where is ur CLU soldier!?"
Private: "I have no CLUe."
i'm extremely impressed with the production value that's gone into your newer videos, I hope your channel keeps growing.
Many of the clips in this video, such as the one at 7:18 don't actually show Javelins, but NLAWs. A modern short-range British AT weapons.
NLAWs are swedish.
@@balle1800 The NLAW is a joint venture between Britain and Sweden. Sweden designed it, Britain builds it.
@@curtiswhyte3297 you are correct
the one showed at that timestamp is a javelin.
@@finkyfamboni4333 no its not
@0:20 easy with the hyperbole there, Scooter. Not only is this not the first invasion, it’s not even the first time the same country invaded part of the same one; Crimea, Georgia.
Maybe the only Javelin missile video with an actual human reading the script. A breath of fresh air.
Personally, I think it's the Stugna-p that has been the biggest ATGM system surprise. While it may not be as mobile as say the NLAW, Stinger or Javelin, it has been used to great success to tear the Russian tanks to shred's.
Honestly it does make sense when we look at it. The stugna p is a heavy weight atgm domestically produced by Ukraine which makes sense as to why they never asked for tow missile and instead asked for lighter stuff like javelins. With that being said I definitely can see the stugna p being a major name on the arms market in the coming future
Stugna is relatively outdated weapon compared to Javelin or NLAW, but it is very reliable and has several advantages to the above mentioned. The launch system and the controls with the operator can (and should) be spaced apart, so the detection of the launch spot by enemy does not directly threatens the operator. Also, it is much cheaper) the cost of the shot is several times cheaper.
Stugna is great, but its operation really lends itself to publicity. So we may get a skewed impression of it's effectiveness compared with NLAW & Javelin.
@@dmmax18 Stugna is cheaper than both the jav and NLAW and it has a longer range
apparently can be used effectively against KA-52s 🥶🥶
2 of them shot down by Stugna-p systems
these intros just keep getting better ^w^
edit: the modeling and animation look so clean
edit edit: yes, thank you! I'm really happy you got the bit about the shaped charge right; so many people say it "melts through" the armor, thanks for getting the right info out there :)
The intro was political trash
@@nikodga5577 If you're Russian then sure it's "trash". 😉
It's hard to pass the intro when this guy wets himself thinking of Zelenski snorting coke
@@nikodga5577 Yeh, kinda weird to frame things as good guy vs bad buy when one is invading a sovereign nation and the others government and armed forces are filled with literal neo-nazis.
Hard not to get political with a hitler wannabe disturbing European security. Stay apolitical bro, let the politicians shape the world around you, and then complain once again about things being political.
I feel a “Logistics of Z-Day” coming… it would be a fascinating juxtaposition to a massively successful logistics operation 80 years earlier that was entirely manual and on an immensely greater scale.
This makes Americas logistical capability during Iraq look litterall herculean.
America really just flew B-52s NONSTOP from new-orleans to fucking Iraq, and then back again.
America litterally had to go against some of their own aircraft and protocols aswell, yet they barely had any friendly fire incidents in comparison to Russia.
That was america during the 90s and 2000s. Imagine how Americas logistical capabilities are in 2022.
The modern US military is more akin to fucking Amazon and Google, than a conventional army.
If my buddy left out the marine corp part of his job, he would sound like an amazon worker to a normal person. Thats honestly impressive how NATO countries conduct modern military operations.
Really greatfull we live in a free country where the people leading oru public sector actually have formal education and MBAs and shit, where our citizens openyl criticize our military and politiican. Apparently Russia has no concept of competition or poliitcal opposition. Thats why Putin just disregards Navalny as a "traitor", and not a parner with helpfull criticism.
Spoiler:
I heard Russian intel was _so_ convinced they'd be welcomed, that the troops _literally_ only brought supplies for **three** days.
That's just unimaginable hubris....!
@@MrNicoJac they were welcomed in the East
@@user-yj4qz5lo6k they were welcomed in areas already captured by russia in the previous invasion.
@@MrNicoJac Well, some of them only lived for three days... so old commie supply rationing worked, comrade.
Thank you so much for these such great videos. You and your team are experts at combing scientific topic with an interesting background story. I love your video! ♥
Dude I loveee the math and physics and engineering behind javelin, it's such an awesome weapon, thanks for this video
What math and physics?
@@teebosaurusyou seeking and control algorithms, aerodynamics optimization, etc...
Any weapon is fine as long as it is not directed against you.
@@greengosha depends on who you ask
We used them against IED emplacement teams in the Iraq War. Great weapon system that really came into its own during that particular war. My platoon(Airborne Infantry) would study the recent IED attack maps and formulate an OPORDER. The vehicles would drop us(dismount rifle squad) off in 2-3 SKT’s(small kill teams). We’d infiltrate the rest of the way to the target route on foot. Our teams would spread out on a IED black route with interlocking fields of fire, enabling us to cover a lot of ground with relatively small man power. Some of these routes would have cover and/or defilade on their sides, making direct engagement with small arms difficult. Add in frequency, darkness, weather, etc. and some of these IED emplacement teams became very proficient. The Javelin and its unique capabilities changed all that. When we started targeting them with Javelins it shaped the battlefield conditions in our favor pretty rapidly. They were forced to adapt their tactics and were much less effective as a result. We started inflicting heavy losses upon them, and the IED occurrences and friendly casualties in our AO both declined precipitously. Other friendly units picked up the tactic and also employed it with great success. The Javelin and it’s unique capabilities, particularly top attack, make it the preferred weapon in a myriad of war fighting scenarios, not just in the anti-armor role it was initially designed for.
GERONIMO!
@qopoy dnon Super hard to lock on even if they are just hovering. It is a lot easier to destroy ground helicopters lmao.
So, a civilian-killing machine in a few words, right?
It reminds me of the end of the city walls, when canons became too powerful and could go through any width of stone or concrete.
Walls didn't go away, they just got smaller. Same happened to tanks and is likely to continue happening to tanks. While not impregnable, it still affords enough protection to be worth having.
You defeat the antitank weapons with infantry. Close air support is also very important
City walls didn't go obsolete because of cannon, but because of artillery. Why bother building walls when enemy can just lob munitions pass the wall?
Man-made forts are a monument to man's arrogance. Mountains, oceans, and even space can be overcome. So can anything built by man.
@@mazeradeville2911 Active Protection is the next step for tanks to defend against infantry ATGMs.
Hard to believe the same dudes who make my school’s calculators make a F*ckin’ missle system
Honestly insane knowing how companies that make a lot of the products produce insane weapons of war. Like General Electric for example who built the GAU-8 on the A10. You know the people who build refrigerators.
The production quality on these videos is second to none! Amazing!
Ugreed!
Considering u can buy 10 javalins to 1 t90 it's a bargain the "shoot and scoot" tactics are deadly effective
Also count cost of training 3-4 crew members, including officer, + munitions cost. Tanks are really expensive stuff)
Dude, there are countless Russian tanks running around with three or four Javelin hits. They are utter shit.
@@elta6241 There are also countless turrets scattered arout Ukraine remarkably missing their hull... and barrel... and crew.
By the nature of HEAT jets, penetration of the armor is not the only metric that will result in a kill, if the jet from an NLAW or javelin hits too much to the sides or rear, it may simply cause superficial or non fatal damage. Especially for the NLAW which does not carry as powerful a warhead, if your crew is lucky it can survive a rocket.
yet all it takes is a single good hit. You hit the fuel tanks, and you are looking at a nasty fire in the crew compartment, either resulting in a crew BBQ or a bail. And if you hit the drum auto-loader? Well, then your tank becomes a new candidate in the turret-jumping olymics whenever you want it or not.
@@elta6241 source plz
@@nneddenn6207 Reluctant crew members
1:36 Re: The Polish anti-tank rifle. It's a bit of a disservice to not discuss a very important aspect of any projectile that pierces (or even just comes *close* to piercing) armor: spalling. Spalling is the fragmentation of the back plate of armor when a kinetic projectile pierces it (or even comes close to piercing it). Basically, parts of the armor break off into small, high velocity projectiles. And a lot of them! The projectile doesn't necessarily have to pass all the way through the armor to produce this effect, either.
It's the spalling effect that made these weapons effective against tanks; they weren't dependent on "lucky shots to weak points" as the narrative in the video suggests.
Which is why armor has had multiple layers including non-hardened steel, softer metals, or even (today) polymer blankets, since forever. Only a handful of armored vehicles went to the field with armor that is through-hardened and subject to spalling. It's a bit of a disservice to yourself to not read enough.
@@railgap What I wrote was accurate for the time period that the Polish anti-tank rifle was used.
@@railgap All tanks at the beginning of ww2 had monolytic hardened steel plate armor. Wz 35 AT rifle could knock-out any German panzer it encountered, including Pz.IV.
Composite armor, spaced armor and layered armor are children of cold war long after AT rifle as an idea became obsolete
floorpizza is right
Every nation has anti tank rifles, the Germans included. They had a rather good one. Nothing special about the Polish gun. The Narrator just wanted a hero. The Germans already had shaped charges fired as rifle grenades (copied by the US). It took another 3 years for shaped charges to get on to Panzerschrek and Panzerfaust but they did make it on to low velociy field guns and recoilless canon.
@@williamzk9083 Yes, narrator wanted a hero and UR fits the story, highlighting similarities and differences between invasions.
However I don't agree about "nothing special" part.
Up to that point AT rifles relied on brute force to punch through armor - look at most common: T-Gewehr, Boys or PTRD, PTRS. Huge bullet, basically as powerful cannon as soldier can carry.
Wz. 35 had different approach. similarly to HESH rounds it wasn't even meant to penetrate an armor. Spalling was actually it's main goal. In the video there are rounds visible. Look at tiny bullet and huge cardridge. That WAS novel. And unique.
I totally agree tho on Shape charges being superior, but trust me, in 1939 UR was a formiddable weapon
2:00 "equipped with modern tanks with modern reactive armor"
Russia: are you sure about that? (For any1 that doesn't know, there have been found Russian tanks with egg cardboard where the 'modern reactive armor' should be)
Awesome video! Having worked on these in the Marine Corps, I'm happy to see how accurate and in depth you go into the capabilities on this system. Very few, if any, AT systems are more versatile than the Javelin.
How many children you killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?
We're you in the 1st Marine Division by any chance and if so Semper fi
@@Voucher765 I was yes. Spent time with 1st and 5th Marines.
@@05Dmax_LLY Thanks and be grateful of your service, The 1st Marine Division is known as the "Old Breed" for a reason
Is incredible how high-tech are those missiles just to get instantly destroyed when launched for the first and only time... damn.
I was honestly surprised that a missile is 'only' 78,000. You get so used to insane numbers when discussing military stuff. And it's killing a 4 million dollar tank.
I don't know this for sure, but the tubs are still perfectly in tact after firing, so I would be very surprised if they aren't kept and sent back to the seller for "reloading", or possibly to be melted down and firmed into new units since they are obviously already made of the right material. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some discount for the number of tubes returned to the seller out of the amount initially purchased.
I went to an RAF museum in London. Saw a bunch of missiles used for jet fighters. So much advanced electronic equipment and chips get used to create such an advanced piece of equipment. Only for it to used to fly in the air and self destruct itself 😂.
I am well aware of the Javelin's capabilities. I once got a quad kill in Warzone with one.
@PaperMan lol jealous?
Funny
@@NoName-cn3cp he got mad since he lost so much and most players f his mom in Warzone
Lol yeah I bet u did and I'm batman lol
@@nexpro6118 Warzone is a video game, my dude :D
you're a true engineer man, thank you for your service
2:30 "The importance of these light-weight anti-tank devices cannot be understated"... This phrase does not mean what you think it means.
The best explanation i get about javelin so far. Thanks for this channel
So glad you covered this. I've been trying to dig into the details of how the Javelin works, and it's either way oversimplified, or over the top technical for me. This is a good balance.
One thing I was confused about was how the warhead gauged depth/distance to target, but now it makes sense. The warhead will lock on to the target using the image, then continually update as the angle/altitude of the rocket increases.
The pattern recognition firmware is amazing. Wish I could talk to the engineers who developed the code.
What an amazingly beautiful peace of equipment
Piece. Peace has an entirely different meaning.
Real Engineering secretly explaining to Ukranians how to use a Javelin against a Russian tank if they find one
You got me
Farming Simulator 2022: Steel Harvest DLC
@@RealEngineering next video - How to operate a captured russian T-90
Pray Russian troops do not have the savvy to watch Real Engineering and learn how to use captured Javelin.
@@RealEngineering Wonder when u would criticise a trynant country which spent
244 years at war, killed 1 million Iraqis, Bombed hundreds of thousands of children in Afghanistan for "fun" and invaded so many countries
I'd love to see a video on the NLAW and Starstreak. Both have some very interesting and unconventional designs.
especially the starstreak, nlaw is basically shitty javelin
@@squidwardo7074 NLAW is much cheaper than javelin
@@squidwardo7074 Not really, while it is less capable overall it still has some big advantages over the Javelin.
But what's interesting is it's downward facing charge for the top attack mode and the incredibly simple semi-guidance system it uses.
@@squidwardo7074 I mean there the Ukrainians prefer the NLAW, and the NLAW has had more kills, sooooo can't be that much worse right?
Real Engineering already had a viewer for life from me and his outspokeness on the Russian invasion of Ukraine and subsequent donation to a Ukrainian charity is stunning me even more! I'm gonna sign up for Nebula right now fr
Yeah it’s pretty easy to be ‘outspoken’ with such politically correct things to say.
Signing up to nebula does not support him. Only patreon supports the creator
@@user-yj4qz5lo6k would've thought that there was some sort of kickback when it's a sponsor and that's sort of how sponsors like that work
@@spitfirefrench just as easy to not say anything though
@@spitfirefrench and even easier to not donate $5 000 to the cause lol
US: "we made the javelin missile carefully pre-trigger reactive armor to get around modern defenses"
Russia: "our reactive armor boxes are actually full of toilet paper but ok"
No proofs?
The logic behind the wz. 35 is to penetrate the armour and hit the crew with the bullet and debris generated by the penetration.
90% + of National Socialist Germany tanks in 1939 were Pzkpfw 1 and 2
they had only +/- 5-17 mm of armour
it didn't even have to penetrate, projectile was made from soft lead, to release as much energy into armor as possible and generate massive amount of shrapnel on the inside
@@tubaeseries5705
Spalling, right?
@@eldorados_lost_searcher yes, it would often kill the driver, but without stopping the tank (driver's body would fall on the joysticks) and soldiers were shooting multiple times because they never got proper training with this rifle.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher Yes. There's an excellent physics simulation of a Ur projectile up on RUclips:
ruclips.net/video/VryzTyh8X7Y/видео.html
I spent the first year of my working life out of university thinking and mathematically modelling these new weapon system in the late 1970's - I studied and wrote about Whittaker's Distribution, Lanchester Equations, HESH & SHAPE heads, MFK kills, Milan, Swingfire and more as I thought about Red crossing the Rhine and how to stop them. Great to see this weapon description updated and a discussion about its deployment.
Should have spent some time studying how to stop psychological and financial warfare a bit, then maybe we would have a chance surviving China's assault. Too damn late now! Physical warfare < phycological, but it's easier to just think in terms of blam! blam!
@@capnobvious2718 Thanks for the unsolicited life advice, certainly very perceptive. At the time the Soviets had a huge force and there was a real chance they may cross the Rhine and then stop to redraw the border in West Germany. The NATO plan was how to slow them down, to give politicians time to strategise as we couldn't stop an overrun. Hope that helps Cap'n crystallise your thinking for next round of life advice.
Could you share any more insights into the math behind these types of targeting/guidance systems? Have been interested in it for a while but it’s hard to find good info about it online.
@@user-yd4rn4ez6m I don't think Raytheon & Lockheed Martin will divulge this sensitive information.. besides why would you need this unless you're making one and who's really asking CCP?
@@veclubby knowing the general kind of guidance systems is not sensitive info, our adversaries already know that (and much more). I’m just interested in knowing how stuff works tbh, esp as an aero engineering student.
If you're going to talk about the javelin don't show the Swedish NLAW constantly, it's a bit misinforming. And Ukrainian soldiers from the ground use the NLAW more because the Javelin is for more concealed far away tanks where as the NLAW is easy to use and very fast and can shoot at anything within 500 meters.
weaker warhead.
you guys gotta do one for the starstreak missile, it's seem like an pretty complicated weapon and maybe even more so that the Javelin, hope you guys work on the starstreak.
That is one of the most British weapons to ever British.
This channel quality is just above anything you can find in TV or even conventional streaming platforms... I can't believe they do it with many times less Budget 😍
You have my support
Actually, the cages placed atop the russian tanks are completely ineffective against top attack munitions. The russians are perfectly aware of this, too. These cages aren't supposed to protect against Javelins, either. Their actual purpose is to protect against older single stage weapons such as RPGs, which you might have an infantryman fire down on you in urban combat.
Hey Putin,
The Javelin is not at all a weapon. It is a "special home security device."
Shaped chargers are super cool. It's always fascinated me how something so simple could be so effective.
@qopoy dnon Ikr?? Welcome to the government watch list club. ;p
@@agentham Wikipedia has a pretty good article about shaped charges. Even have some lists of which metals (for that interior sheet bit) are the most effective against which materials.
I never got to fire a Javelin but I did fire various other RPGs and AT missiles, guided and otherwise. The Milan was probably the best of those but it was a right pain in the back to transport around - literally. But not as horrible as the TOW2 - bolting one to the back of a pickup/ute was a good solution as you could sit in the back to fire it. Thankfully it's way more portable now. I'd have loved to be able to use something as lightweight, and extremely effective, as a Javelin.
Everybody keeps going on-and-on about the Javelin being a "top-attack" weapon. Well, it isn't. It is a plunging attack weapon and it aims to strike tanks at the shadow-line of turret and vehicle body so as to directly penetrate the upper plate of the vehicle ignoring the turret all together. This has roughly the same effect as intentional plunging fire in WW2 Battleship engagements, even on a "failed" hit it can do damage to disable or destroy the turret's ability to operate. (Even if the reactive armor works perfectly) The Javelin almost invariably hits the lower side of the turret or just under the edge of the turret and the explosion's detonation of the ammunition and fuel in the tank will rip the turret off on the Russian model tanks.
The angle at which the Javelin comes towards the target in final attack would be less effective (shade of very light grey less) against the top of the turrets as the auto-loading system would take the brunt of the blasts and the chance of secondary chained detonation in the tanks would be lower. (the human bodies also being effectively highly ablative wet sandbags)
The NLAW is a top attack weapon.
There's a common theme that not even an Abrams tank would survive a Javelin and the truth is Abrams HAVE survived Javelins when said was tested. Since the aim point is edge of turret and the Abrams' turret is MUCH wider the missile either goes through the side upper skirting over the tracks or strikes largely non-lethal blows glancing off the turret sides, hitting the ammunition storage on the bustle or punching a hole to one or the other side of the driver. It took 3 NLAW to get a penetration on the top of the simulated M1A2 turret.
The NLAW is a very different creature. It is blind and inertia guided, it has a very short distance-to-armed after launching - as seen in the tank ambush video - and the nose-cone is radar/radio dampening. There are some videos that incorrectly attribute RPG18 firing to NLAW launches, most specifically the shot fired from a window down onto the turret of a tank was an RPG18 and too short a distance to actually arm. The RPG18 look like a classic LAW Rocket with the pull-out tube and flip up sights.
Most explosive missile vehicle kills in Ukraine right now are RPG-18 hits.
>the truth is Abrams HAVE survived Javelins when said was tested
You have any source for this?
misinformation
Source: Trust me bro.
lol, typical war thunder "expert"
Its called a top attack weapon probably because the two attack types in the actual CLU are TOP and DIRECT.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
WTF are you jabbering on about?! Could you possibly be talking about this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional%E2%80%93integral%E2%80%93derivative_controller. For the life of me, I'm having trouble deciphering this train wreck of logical reasoning.
first we saw it in Modern Warfare. It was so different with its basic green crt style display from any game rpg, it had to be real. As someone who had read all of Clancy's mainline Jack Ryan novels and his non-fic books I was surprised I'd never heard of it. Then it was shown off on the discovery networks military industrial complex infomercial show Future Weapons. Cool to see a detailed breakdown of how clever its design is.
Woah, talking about the MIC, are we still using 60s buzzwords?
@@AsukaLangleyS02 He was talking about its existence which isn't just a buzzword. The military industrial complex is a real thing.
In cod 4 modern warfare it was not accurate,it’s just goes up and down
Thank you for sharing all this information in such a neat package! Now I can learn about very cool weapons without getting put on a terror watch list or whatever.
You will never be put on any kind of list watching youtube videos, RUclips takes sole responsibility for all content posted, If anyone is put on a F.B.I list it would be RUclips not you.
@@thefreelancer1645 shurrrr
@@thefreelancer1645 Why would RUclips take responsibility for such content? It seems counterintuitive for someone to accept responsibility instead of attempting to lessen it
@@gabedarrett1301 Because it's thier site. If I open a store that sold books about terrorism or other illegal subjects, The people looking at my books thu the window wouldn't get arrested, I would. Same concept. Hope that cleared things up for you a bit.
Great video, surprisingly well researched for a non military oriented channel. I have one issue however. The slat armor on the roofs of Russian tanks can't protect against top attack ATGMs (too large caliber, different fuse and so on, many reasons) or overfly top attack missiles like the NLAW, because they can just fly below the "cope cage" and still do their job.
Slat armor can't protect from ATGMs in general (for reasons listed in the bracket above - warhead diameter, fuse type etc.). It was made to counter single stage RPG warheads and, in the case of Russian "roof slat armor" (although that's just an educated guess), loitering munitions - that is a threat that attacks from the top and usually has a weaker warhead.
@yasio bolo True, video about a Stinger (or MANPADS systems in general - they all work the same way) would also be interesting.
I could also see it being useful against Molotovs and hand grenades dropped from above in urban combat
@@jameson1239 Might be, although if the hatches are closed, you're not destroying a tank with a Molotov to the turret. Destroying a modern tank with a Molotov is in general very hard, borderline impossible.
I first heard and used this weapon in COD4 and was amazed what it could do. Lock on the enemy tank on a overpass, fire, and the rocket goes up then straight down on top of the tank. Absolutely a great scene
Swap "seeker" with "missile". Javelin is a missile, not just a seeker. (The "seeker" is only the guidance package.)
"HEAT" and "shaped charge" are interchangeable verbiage.
Shhh 🤫 the algorithm is always watching
i would love to see more weapon systems type videos like these in the future, maybe even some tank autoloading stuff..
*1:17* just fyi, "high-powered" for a rifle refers solely to whether the cartridge has a bottle-neck. It sounds like you are using it to refer to something else.
Ukrainian fighters with US Javelins have sent more "cosmonauts" on the orbit than russian space agency will ever do
Always "loved" firing munitions that cost more than I was paid to fire it.
Overstated, “it cannot be overstated “. I think that’s what you want to say. To understate something means to diminish it in its importance. To overstate something means to make it bigger than it really is.
0:16 have you literally never heard of the Balkans? The 1995 Yugoslav war?
Still remember the scene from 1 of my all time faves war of the worlds. The sound of the javelin wire missile just sounds so sick.
But the Javelins aren't wire guided?
@@Yggdrasil42 Huh. The more you know.
11:08
Tank: i have reactive armor
Javelin: i don't see the part where that's my problem
Nice video!
Looking forward to the next one on Stuhna-P! Which btw despite being anti-tank system is effective not only against tanks but helicopters as well. At least two russian helicopters where hit by the Stuhna-P by now
Stugna-P works as well against russian helicopters
@@skyprof9067 sure thing, and I specifically mentioned this fact :)
Correction/nitpick:
You use the phrase “X cannot be understated”. What you mean to say is “X cannot be OVERSTATED”, meaning X is so important that no matter how much you emphasize it, it will not be an over-reaction. Alternatively, you could say “it MUST NOT be understated”. Cannot is a description, must not is an instruction/injunction.
Im in a helldivers phase and i acctually thought this was a helldivers video at first glance 😂😂
I always wondered how the Javelin worked, thank you for the well presented video.
This channel is bloody good, takes hard engineering concepto and turns into Netflix degree of entreteinment.
I was an infantryman in the U.S. Army and I handled the Javelin in my team. I remember one mission at 3-4am, when it was pitch dark, a team of 5 (me, probably E2 or E3 at the time, my team leader(E5), the platoon leader (1st lieutenant), the RTO, and a medic), our mission was to climb over two rocky hills to set up the javelin on a strategic point so we can take out enemy’s vehicles like tank, helicopter or Toyota lol. We were dismounted at a location, before we head out, my platoon sergeant(E7) threw the fucking command launch unit that was in a bag out of the Bradley and it hits hard on the ground. We were in full battle rattles and I had to carry the javelin and my weapon, so we ended up taking turns on carrying it. The LT and our team leader, who has combat experiences and was previously in the 10th mountain division, argued about which route to take, so we went with the LT route because well, he was the officer. After sliding down a 10ft hills and many sprained ankles, we finally made it to the top of a hill. Took out the command launch unit and connect it to the javelin, and the trigger on the CLU was already broken. We couldn’t do shit, so we waited, got the order and walked back down those stupid hills and left with our ride. I ended up paying for the broken CLU because I was responsible for it, I remember it was a few hundreds dollars and it’s a big chunk out of my paycheck because I was just a private. Til this day I still believe that son of a bitch platoon sergeant broke it when he threw that shit out. I hope covid got him.
Wow, thats an amazing story! Ypu actually had to pay for damage to equipment?
That's ridiculous. I was also in the military and that would never happen in my country. Damage to equipment is an occupational hazard
Yeah I bet all of that is true and I'm also batman lol
@@aussie2uGA he's lying lol
@@aussie2uGA Yes, the supply sergeant came up to me after we got back and told me I had to pay for it
One thing I would've added to this video just for the shock/comedy factor would be that the company that makes the Javelin is Texas Instruments... As in, the same company that makes the TI-83 & TI-84 Calculators that are mandated by most middle/high school advanced math classes in the US. It's just funny to think that a company sells both essential educational tools to children/young adults, as well as ridiculously advanced and effective military weaponry to countries all over the world 😆😂
This sums up all war material and weaponry. It's ALL made by public companies.
Everyone hated on us asking why we are so obsessed with war, and who we are going to fight. Judging our military complex for its constant preparation, and yet when worst comes to worst the oppressed turn to America for the help they need. Hopefully this conflic opens people's eyes to why it so important to be ready for any and everything.
They said the same thing about NATO at times, about how it was no longer needed because the USSR is not around anymore. Those same people now scream for NATO membership for vulnerable countries.
So you are absolutely ignorant about the fact that the military complex is what is causing the wars to excuse it's existence
Awesome video. Can you do one on the switchblade system? Or maybe on modern drone systems in general?
Hello! Just to mention, the metal cages being placed on top of Russian tanks to defend against top-down attacks is NOT effective against the Javelin. It simply has too much explosive power, and the Russians most likely know this. The cages are a defense against older-age rockets, such as the RPG, which are also heavily in use in the Ukrainian conflict. While your statement isn't "wrong", it doesn't really make sense in the video about Javelins.
Those cages could have been made during middle conflict russian was involved in, maybe to stop grenades or other things
No the comment was wrong. Those cages have absolutely nothing to do with Javelins. Just like a lot of what they said was wrong. The javelin isn't nearly as successful as they're making it out to be. Russian invaded Ukraine with roughly 20,000 armored vehicles at the beginning of the war. Ukraine received 7,000 javelins. And yet most of those 20,000 vehicles survived the initial invasion and all of those Javelins have pretty much been used or found on dead Ukrainians. So the narrative doesn't really add up. This is just a commercial for a weapon system and Western propaganda.
@@Deno2100 Someone didn't watch until 11:45, I see.
@@Deno2100 So you are forgetting that Russia has lost
1077 tanks
2610 APV(Armored Personal Vehicles)
1867 vehicles and fuel tanks
in terms of ground vehicle loss? most of which have been a combination of javelins, NLAW's, and stugnas? or the fact that the javelins you see on the tiktok battalion literally dont even have a fucking CLU, the main part of the javelin?
@@Bacteriophagebs I don't know what you're implying. I did watch up to that point I just watched it again and he literally said nothing that reputates what I just said.
that donut explosion at 11:30 is amazing
"The importance of ____ cannot be understated" means that ____ is very UNimportant. I think the phrase the narrator is looking for is "The importance of _____ cannot be OVERstated."